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No matter what happens he always lands on his feet. Good for him.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2563944-tim-tebow-to-resume-sec-network-analyst-role-after-release-from-eagles
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He's a good guy. He deserves it. He's a good player dont get why he never made it in the NFL. Sure he has some issues, but he's better than 10-20% of starting QB's in the league.
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He's a good guy. He deserves it. He's a good player dont get why he never made it in the NFL. Sure he has some issues, but he's better than 10-20% of starting QB's in the league.
I don't get either.
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No matter what happens he always lands on his feet. Good for him.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2563944-tim-tebow-to-resume-sec-network-analyst-role-after-release-from-eagles
He owes it all to jesus.
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One of the few people who make the news for stuff that isn't bullshit drama or criminality.
Props to him.
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He's a good guy. He deserves it. He's a good player dont get why he never made it in the NFL. Sure he has some issues, but he's better than 10-20% of starting QB's in the league.
Well, no one on here is a professional athlete, nor does anyone here consistently train professional athletes. Thus, there must be something that professional trainers and coaches are seeing that the every day fan is not seeing. I don't follow football, so I cannot say. But if he is not getting picked up by ANY team, he must be doing something wrong in terms of his football attributes. ??? ???
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He owes it all to jesus.
Jesus handing it off to Tebow when he was a kid. :D :D
(http://fathersofmercy.com/wp-content/uploads/Jesus_football.jpg)
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Well, no one on here is a professional athlete, nor does anyone here consistently train professional athletes. Thus, there must be something that professional trainers and coaches are seeing that the every day fan is not seeing. I don't follow football, so I cannot say. But if he is not getting picked up by ANY team, he must be doing something wrong in terms of his football attributes. ??? ???
I respectfully disagree, as it's not his football attributes that have cost him a job, Tebow is just to nice. Like really, really, really nice.
It's a locker room and pr issue as teammates and fans can't relate to how nice he is. He's a throwback to another era, he was born 70 years to late as he'd been a star in the 1950's.
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I respectfully disagree, as it's not his football attributes that have cost him a job, Tebow is just to nice. Like really, really, really nice.
It's a locker room and pr issue as teammates and fans can't relate to how nice he is. He's a throwback to another era, he was born 70 years to late as he'd been a star in the 1950's.
You really think this? If Tebow was as good, or better than someone like Tom Brady, do you think a team wouldn't pick him up? ::) ::)
I don't know if youre trolling or not, but if you aren't, any team would love to have a squeaky clean superstar. He's squeaky clean, but I guess teams dont see him as a potential star. ??? ???
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You really think this? If Tebow was as good, or better than someone like Tom Brady, do you think a team wouldn't pick him up? ::) ::)
I don't know if youre trolling or not, but if you aren't, any team would love to have a squeaky clean superstar. He's squeaky clean, but I guess teams dont see him as a potential star. ??? ???
Just trolling brah.
Tebow has skills but they don't translate in today's game, same is true for guys like Troy Smith, Terell Prior, Colt McCoy and now RG3.
Bottom line is dude won games, as have others, but he didn't do it in a satisfying way, he wasn't accurate (which upset teammates who negotiate contracts based on stats) and didn't read defenses very well.
The teams all say winning is the bottom line, but it's only true if you can run the offense they want.
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Just trolling brah.
Tebow has skills but they don't translate in today's game, same is true for guys like Troy Smith, Terell Prior, Colt McCoy and now RG3.
Bottom line is dude won games, as have others, but he didn't do it in a satisfying way, he wasn't accurate (which upset teammates who negotiate contracts based on stats) and didn't read defenses very well.
The teams all say winning is the bottom line, but it's only true if you can run the offense they want.
240 thinks Tim Tebow is overhyped. Do you think so too?
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I don't get either.
One of the prerequisites for being an NFL Quarterback is the ability to throw a football.
Tebow obviously can't do this on an NFL level. IMO, he would've had a better shot trying to make it as a tight end.
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He.Cannot.Throw.
LOL at people saying he's good. He goes through 1 read and then panics. Terrible release, terrible accuracy.
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He could be a good tight end. I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that his pride keeps him from playing another position.
Not very Christ-like. Help out his fellow man, etc. Haha.
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He.Cannot.Throw.
LOL at people saying he's good. He goes through 1 read and then panics. Terrible release, terrible accuracy.
Lets be honest here, he is being defended mainly because of his faith.
If Tebow was an atheist, everyone who is now defending him would be saying he sucks.
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Lets be honest here, he is being defended mainly because of his faith.
If Tebow was an atheist, everyone who is now defending him would be saying he sucks.
Yeah I've never understood why everyone likes him sooo much. OK he's a good guy, but many players are.
Imagine if he was Muslim.....
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Lets be honest here, he is being defended mainly because of his faith.
If Tebow was an atheist, everyone who is now defending him would be saying he sucks.
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Imagine if he was Muslim.....
Lol that would be interesting.
As far as him being overhyped I'd have to agree with 240, however he's still an all time great at the collegiate level.
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Lets be honest here, he is being defended mainly because of his faith.
If Tebow was an atheist, everyone who is now defending him would be saying he sucks.
Quite the opposite. He is constantly being attacked because of his faith. If he was an atheist, no one would hate him.
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Quite the opposite. He is constantly being attacked because of his faith. If he was an atheist, no one would hate him.
He is being attacked by fans, not by other NFL players or teams.
Again, if Tebow was as good as Tom Brady or better, plus being squeaky clean, teams would pick him up asap.
But he is obviously not good enough for some reason, which is why he can't make a team. Yet, people of similar faith keep defending him.
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Russell wilson is very vocal about his religion, and he's one of the TOP faces of the NFL, despite the fact he's not in the elite league of brady or aaron rodgers.
nobody really freaks out that he's religious. They laugh when he talks about the healing power of nano water and acts a little loopy at times, trailing off, acting odd. But he's not chased out of the NFL for his beliefs... cause he's a very good player.
Tebow just isn't good enough to be an NFL QB - and he's a disruptive backup who refused to accept the coach's lineup when he wanted to be the starter. Didn't he actually SIT OUT that last game with NYJ cause he was mad the coach gave the start to that alabama rookie QB they wanted to evaluate?
No team wants a 3rd string QB that is going to publicly throw a hissy fit and refuse to come to work, if he can't start.
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Quite the opposite. He is constantly being attacked because of his faith. If he was an atheist, no one would hate him.
I think SF1900 was referring to Tebow being defended on this site/thread by professed Christians. Otherwise you're right, although I think if he were an atheist he would experience some backlash ( see Arian Foster).
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Quite the opposite. He is constantly being attacked because of his faith. If he was an atheist, no one would hate him.
Russell Wilson is just as vocally religious. In fact, Wilson acts like a weirdo all the time, and Tebow acts cool as shit.
Tebow isn't accurate deep, cannot make good decisions fast, and creates train wrecks that the rest of the team hates, as they're running in circles risking injury while he's backpeddling 30 yards looking for luck.
Plus, twbow acted like a bitch when he didn't get to start in NYJ. I thoguht he'd never get back in the league again after that.
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Russell Wilson is just as vocally religious. In fact, Wilson acts like a weirdo all the time, and Tebow acts cool as shit.
Tebow isn't accurate deep, cannot make good decisions fast, and creates train wrecks that the rest of the team hates, as they're running in circles risking injury while he's backpeddling 30 yards looking for luck.
Plus, twbow acted like a bitch when he didn't get to start in NYJ. I thoguht he'd never get back in the league again after that.
You're being naive. Wilson gets a pass because of his skin color. Knocking a black QB for his religion would be racist and cutting him a possible hate crime. Goodell can take on Kraft & Brady but he doesn't want any part of Obama & Mitchell. #blackqbsmatter
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Russell Wilson is just as vocally religious. In fact, Wilson acts like a weirdo all the time, and Tebow acts cool as shit.
Does it seem like Wilson went over the deep end this summer, on every level? He was vocal about many different ideas, he seems like he hired RGIII's pr team and picked up where he left off.
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You're being naive. Wilson gets a pass because of his skin color. Knocking a black QB for his religion would be racist and cutting him a possible hate crime. Goodell can take on Kraft & Brady but he doesn't want any part of Obama & Mitchell. #blackqbsmatter
Wilson throws 64% and keeps getting to super bowls.
Tebow throw under 48% and barely wins 4th preseason games.
Teams will keep bringing him out every year to make the preseason interesting, but he's just too inconsistent. NFL teams would start josef stalin if he threw over 60% completion and could read a defense. Vick has a backup job and he murders puppies. Tebow just sucks, can't throw or adjust to defenses.
The fact he and the top throwing coach are STILL trying to revamp his throwing mechanics after 5 years - they all agree his current throw isn't tight, loses accuracy after 15 yards.
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Does it seem like Wilson went over the deep end this summer, on every level? He was vocal about many different ideas, he seems like he hired RGIII's pr team and picked up where he left off.
Wilson isn't all there, mentally. He's taken too many blows to helmet, is highly immature, or maybe a little messed up gene action, ala that pothead swimmer phelps.
Wilson says things like this:
“Isn’t Gatorade the best? Just the best.”
“I banged my head during the Packers game in the playoffs, and the next day I was fine,” says Wilson. “It was the water.”
“I know it works.” His eyes brighten.
Wilson is just a little off, and it has nothing to do with religion. He can play, and to the NFl that's all that matters.
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Wilson throws 64% and keeps getting to super bowls.
Tebow throw under 48% and barely wins 4th preseason games.
Teams will keep bringing him out every year to make the preseason interesting, but he's just too inconsistent. NFL teams would start josef stalin if he threw over 60% completion and could read a defense. Vick has a backup job and he murders puppies. Tebow just sucks, can't throw or adjust to defenses.
The fact he and the top throwing coach are STILL trying to revamp his throwing mechanics after 5 years - they all agree his current throw isn't tight, loses accuracy after 15 yards.
I'm not talking about talent at all. I'm talking about all the hate leveled at Tebow vs. Wilson for being vocal about religion. Wilson gets a total pass from radio and television commentators both on sports channels and non-sports channels like The View and other anti-Christian programming that fills the airwaves. In our bizarro world, the media is selling blacks as untouchable angels and white christians as the anti-christ.
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I'm not talking about talent at all. I'm talking about all the hate leveled at Tebow vs. Wilson for being vocal about religion. Wilson gets a total pass from radio and television commentators both on sports channels and non-sports channels like The View and other anti-Christian programming that fills the airwaves. In our bizarro world, the media is selling blacks as untouchable angels and white christians as the anti-christ.
Who hates Wilson?
Seriously... I don't know anyone who HATES him.
Hell, I don't know anyone who HATES Tebow really. I know people who think he should have laid off the Anti-Abortion ad thing, but hate him? No... I don't know anyone who does that.
As far as Wilson, people may not think he's some mega stud QB, but no one dislikes the kid.
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I'm not talking about talent at all. I'm talking about all the hate leveled at Tebow vs. Wilson for being vocal about religion. Wilson gets a total pass from radio and television commentators both on sports channels and non-sports channels like The View and other anti-Christian programming that fills the airwaves. In our bizarro world, the media is selling blacks as untouchable angels and white christians as the anti-christ.
where is all this hate? Link? I think there were maybe pockets of small haters years ago... but really, I watch FOX and I hear all about this hate, I expect to see idiots protesting outside of Eagles practice.
Sometimes FOX will exaggerate a bad guy so they have a rally cry. Those 2 hapless black panther idiots that didn't stop anyone from voting, they got hundreds of hours of airplay, and Bush didn't even prosecute them. Seems like one of those times. yes, some people hate tebow's Christian faith. There are muslim players too, and WAY more americans bash islam on a daily basis, and we don't see crowds of protesters shouting down that NFL player either.
IMO, this is a phil heath vicitimization thing. "All the haters keeping him down..." no, he woudln't be changing his mechanics at this point if his throw was right. Exaggerate a few 'haters' into this big anti-religious movement.
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Hell, I don't know anyone who HATES Tebow really.
Repubs will cite a few small incidents and quotes from 'online sources' from years ago. They probably made up half of the mean sayings, just to have a story. "Some people say..." is FOX's favorite way to just introduce things that nobody is really saying. They want him to be the victim so they don't have to admit he can't play at this level. He just cannot.
Now, Brady? People HATE brady. But he's a smug cheater banging a supermodel, gotta expect that lol. Tebow gets NOWHERE near the hate that brady does.
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Wilson isn't all there, mentally. He's taken too many blows to helmet, is highly immature, or maybe a little messed up gene action, ala that pothead swimmer phelps.
Wilson says things like this:
“Isn’t Gatorade the best? Just the best.”
“I banged my head during the Packers game in the playoffs, and the next day I was fine,” says Wilson. “It was the water.”
“I know it works.” His eyes brighten.
Wilson is just a little off, and it has nothing to do with religion. He can play, and to the NFl that's all that matters.
Agreed.
I'm not talking about talent at all. I'm talking about all the hate leveled at Tebow vs. Wilson for being vocal about religion. Wilson gets a total pass from radio and television commentators both on sports channels and non-sports channels like The View and other anti-Christian programming that fills the airwaves. In our bizarro world, the media is selling blacks as untouchable angels and white christians as the anti-christ.
I think I understand what you're saying, but I thought Wilson caught a substantial amount of flak for saying he heard from God after the Superbowl interception and the celibacy comment with the R&B singer. That said "white Christians" have been their own worst enemy. You shouldn't be surprised they aren't universally loved and accepted.
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where is all this hate? Link? I think there were maybe pockets of small haters years ago... but really, I watch FOX and I hear all about this hate, I expect to see idiots protesting outside of Eagles practice.
Sometimes FOX will exaggerate a bad guy so they have a rally cry. Those 2 hapless black panther idiots that didn't stop anyone from voting, they got hundreds of hours of airplay, and Bush didn't even prosecute them. Seems like one of those times. yes, some people hate tebow's Christian faith. There are muslim players too, and WAY more americans bash islam on a daily basis, and we don't see crowds of protesters shouting down that NFL player either.
IMO, this is a phil heath vicitimization thing. "All the haters keeping him down..." no, he woudln't be changing his mechanics at this point if his throw was right. Exaggerate a few 'haters' into this big anti-religious movement.
Nobody is talking about protests. I'm talking about the atheist agenda of the media and how they have turned on Christianity. A MUSLIM NFL QB who knelt and prayed to Allah 5x a day would never have his beliefs heckled and belittled like Tebow has. If you can't see it, you've got your eyes wide shut.
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Repubs will cite a few small incidents and quotes from 'online sources' from years ago. They probably made up half of the mean sayings, just to have a story. "Some people say..." is FOX's favorite way to just introduce things that nobody is really saying. They want him to be the victim so they don't have to admit he can't play at this level. He just cannot.
Now, Brady? People HATE brady. But he's a smug cheater banging a supermodel, gotta expect that lol. Tebow gets NOWHERE near the hate that brady does.
I actually agree with this.
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Nobody is talking about protests. I'm talking about the atheist agenda of the media and how they have turned on Christianity. A MUSLIM NFL QB who knelt and prayed to Allah 5x a day would never have his beliefs heckled and belittled like Tebow has. If you can't see it, you've got your eyes wide shut.
Isn't 70% of this country Christian?
I mean, are all of the Christians turning on each other?
I really don't see this.
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Nobody is talking about protests. I'm talking about the atheist agenda of the media and how they have turned on Christianity. A MUSLIM NFL QB who knelt and prayed to Allah 5x a day would never have his beliefs heckled and belittled like Tebow has. If you can't see it, you've got your eyes wide shut.
Sounds conspiracy theory-ish.
The fact is that most sport team and sport players are religious. How many baseball players make the sign of the cross before going up to bat? How many sport players thank God when they win? How many sport teams huddle in prayer?
As Tu Holmes said, there are A LOT more Christians than there are atheists in this country.
Either way, this would not stop him from being on a team if he had the potential to be a superstar quarterback and anyone who thinks that, has their eyes wide shut.
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Well, no one on here is a professional athlete, nor does anyone here consistently train professional athletes.
What do you think I do for a living? Is this another troll job?
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Nobody is talking about protests. I'm talking about the atheist agenda of the media and how they have turned on Christianity. A MUSLIM NFL QB who knelt and prayed to Allah 5x a day would never have his beliefs heckled and belittled like Tebow has. If you can't see it, you've got your eyes wide shut.
There are way more people who love Tebow than hate him. It's not even close. When Tebow used to do his kneel before each game some people did not like it because it seems egotistical, but most copied it on social media and it was huge for a while. When a person is over exposed some people will get sick of it, but he doesn't get roasted in the news anymore, it's quite the opposite.
Being an Eagles fan it was frustrating seeing ESPN news about the team because it was all about Tebow, a 3rd string QB who we new would not even make the team. Nothing on how good Bradford was, the revamped secondary etc. Glad he didn't make it because of that alone. There is so much love for Tebow it's sickning. Not sure it you follow football.
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There are way more people who love Tebow than hate him. It's not even close. When Tebow used to do his kneel before each game some people did not like it because it seems egotistical, but most copied it on social media and it was huge for a while. When a person is over exposed some people will get sick of it, but he doesn't get roasted in the news anymore, it's quite the opposite.
Being an Eagles fan it was frustrating seeing ESPN news about the team because it was all about Tebow, a 3rd string QB who we new would not even make the team. Nothing on how good Bradford was, the revamped secondary etc. Glad he didn't make it because of that alone. There is so much love for Tebow it's sickning. Not sure it you follow football.
To be honest, I really don't care one way or another. Sports is not my thing. Sometimes I like to discuss it (as in now).
If Tebow had the potential to lead any team to a Superbowl, I think any team would pick him up ASAP. Its obvious that is the main goal of EVERY team, and no team would give up the chance to sign a star player to achieve that goal.
Just my 2 cents. I admit that I 100% do not know the ins and outs of football or any sport, so I may be totally off base.
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One of the prerequisites for being an NFL Quarterback is the ability to throw a football.
Tebow obviously can't do this on an NFL level.
I have this explanation in another thread so here's the abbreviated version. 1. He's had basically the same mechanics since high school through college and probably even before that. 2. He problems started after he got let go by Denver. The hype that "he can't throw" is a myth of epic proportion. He was throwing just fine before he got a throwing coach to as one headline put it "teach him how to throw a football" the problem was is this coach fucked it up.
So once again, you don't take someone who has been successful through high school to become one of the best QB's college football has ever seen only to be told you can't throw and have some coach come in and establish another throwing motion and relearning new muscle patterns to throw that football. You don't do that. If that's his natural throwing motion then that's his natural throwing motion...end of story. BUT you can perfect it but for Gods sake you don't reinvent it at the age of 27. Don't be one of ones that became brainwashed into thinking that "he can't throw" that's crap.
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Don't be one of ones that became brainwashed into thinking that "he can't throw" that's crap.
He can't throw at a NFL level. Better?
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He can't throw at a NFL level. Better?
Bullshit. Read my quote. Seems no other team can and will not give an explanation as to why he's not playing. If you're ready to have an intelligent conversation about this let me know. But the ENTIRE "he can't throw" is complete bullshit.
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Bullshit. Read my quote. Seems no other team can and will not give an explanation as to why he's not playing. If you're ready to have an intelligent conversation about this let me know. But the ENTIRE "he can't throw" is complete bullshit.
He's not playing for any team beacause he is not good enough.His throwing motion has changed over the years. Its slightly better, but that's his main problem. He has a slow flat release. He's not playing the option anymore like college where he can rack up stats. In the Nfl you have to go through your reads and get rid of the ball quickly and accurately. He cannot do that. That's why they had to scheme the offense around him in denver where he did have some success. But guess what, Elway saw him for what he was and got rid of him.
And he has done nothing since, with 3 other teams.
This was all known coming out of college. He was projected to fail in the NFL because of his throwing motion. It was a huge reach to draft him in the first round, and that was the consensus at the time as well. Tebow is a good football player, but not a good QB. He's got heart and character, and can run well with good size. That does not translate into a NFL QB.
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Nobody is talking about protests. I'm talking about the atheist agenda of the media and how they have turned on Christianity. A MUSLIM NFL QB who knelt and prayed to Allah 5x a day would never have his beliefs heckled and belittled like Tebow has. If you can't see it, you've got your eyes wide shut.
What "athiest agenda"? Where is the print and tv where tebow gets hated? You say tebow has been heckled and ridiculed... can you cite 5 examples?
WHERE ARE ALL THE TEBOW ATTACKS? I can find a hundred muslim attacks, this week, on getbig lol. I can find PLENTY of anti-michael sam, homophobic hatred.
Where, where, where is this massive anti-tebow religious thing? Aside from right-wing media talking about it 24/7?
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Bullshit. Read my quote. Seems no other team can and will not give an explanation as to why he's not playing. If you're ready to have an intelligent conversation about this let me know. But the ENTIRE "he can't throw" is complete bullshit.
he's working with one of the TOP throwing coaches - see the convo we had last week.
Denial = "nobody can tell us why he isn't playing".
Look at the game tape. Look at him working so hard to dump 4 yard passes against scrubs in game 4 of preseason. Brady and Rodgets would be FEASTING on those scrub defenders.
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he's working with one of the TOP throwing coaches - see the convo we had last week.
Denial = "nobody can tell us why he isn't playing".
Look at the game tape. Look at him working so hard to dump 4 yard passes against scrubs in game 4 of preseason. Brady and Rodgets would be FEASTING on those scrub defenders.
I don't give a fuck who he was working with. Read my post again. This is isn't speculation. This is a physiologoical and neurological fact.
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Seriously Rob, you're out of league in this convo. You're trolling. Troll the poli board. I'm dead fucking on with this I guarantee.
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I don't give a fuck who he was working with. Read my post again. This is isn't speculation. This is a physiologoical and neurological fact.
So he CAN throw - but he's throwing at 47.8%....
So his throwing is fine, but he's just mentally poor when it comes to decision making?
You can't have it both ways. He either has a poor arm, OR he has terrible mentals. Which is it?
47.8% is awful. Browns are the worst in league... at 54%. Saints up near 70%.
Tebow's arm isn't good enough to make the browns.
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Wilson isn't all there, mentally. He's taken too many blows to helmet, is highly immature, or maybe a little messed up gene action, ala that pothead swimmer phelps.
Wilson says things like this:
“Isn’t Gatorade the best? Just the best.”
“I banged my head during the Packers game in the playoffs, and the next day I was fine,” says Wilson. “It was the water.”
“I know it works.” His eyes brighten.
Wilson is just a little off, and it has nothing to do with religion. He can play, and to the NFl that's all that matters.
God dammit. Sometimes I hate coming on here but I can't help sometimes to respond to your bullshit. "Wilson is off" ::)
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Seriously Rob, you're out of league in this convo. You're trolling. Troll the poli board. I'm dead fucking on with this I guarantee.
Tebow completes fewer than HALF of his passes. The worst team in the NFL throws at 54%.
Maybe Tebow's arm is perfect, throws are superb (but he's working to change it, odd), well, even if those are the case -
He has to be incredibly bad at decision making to throw under 50%. That's inexcusable. not good enough for any roster, and I just showed why.
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God dammit. Sometimes I hate coming on here but I can't help sometimes to respond to your bullshit. "Wilson is off" ::)
How do you defend his quotes? He's an awesome QB, he should start for another decade and will keep winning.
But yes, his quotes are off, he's a weirdo. Nobody normal talks like that.
“Isn’t Gatorade the best? Just the best.”
“I banged my head during the Packers game in the playoffs, and the next day I was fine,” says Wilson. “It was the water.”
“I know it works.” His eyes brighten.
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So he CAN throw - but he's throwing at 47.8%....
So his throwing is fine, but he's just mentally poor when it comes to decision making?
You can't have it both ways. He either has a poor arm, OR he has terrible mentals. Which is it?
47.8% is awful. Browns are the worst in league... at 54%. Saints up near 70%.
Tebow's arm isn't good enough to make the browns.
Yes, he can throw. Your fucking 47.8 is of how many games? Is it a full season? 10 games? 6? What year was this? Was this in a few qtrs played? For God's sake man just don't throw out a fucking number without something substantial. You do this ALL the time. Wait, Barkley was higher? .......because he played in more games and had more chances? I know Matt....personally, I worked with him while at Mater Dei and his first year at SC and I can tell Tebow is better.
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How do you defend his quotes? He's an awesome QB, he should start for another decade and will keep winning.
But yes, his quotes are off, he's a weirdo. Nobody normal talks like that.
“Isn’t Gatorade the best? Just the best.”
“I banged my head during the Packers game in the playoffs, and the next day I was fine,” says Wilson. “It was the water.”
“I know it works.” His eyes brighten.
Fuck...really? How do YOU defend the quotes? By what you deem "not all there"? BTw, don't throw out quotes without a legit source.
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Yes, he can throw. Your fucking 47.8 is of how many games? Is it a full season? 10 games? 6? What year was this? Was this in a few qtrs played? For God's sake man just don't throw out a fucking number without something substantial. You do this ALL the time. Wait, Barkley was higher? .......because he played in more games and had more chances? I know Matt....personally, I worked with him while at Mater Dei and his first year at SC and I can tell Tebow is better.
47.9% in 35 games.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13200/tim-tebow
I liked Matt, wish he would have worked out. He didn't exactly have a rocket arm either, even after his shoulder healed.
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47.9% in 35 games.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13200/tim-tebow
I liked Matt, wish he would have worked out. He didn't exactly have a rocket arm either, even after his shoulder healed.
That's his Philadelphia profile. I like Matt as well. He's a great kid and a hard worker. But he went high in the 4th round. Tebow was Heisman winner. Too many teams are keeping quiet as to why they're not keeping him. Even for a practice squad. Something isn't right.
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Yes, he can throw. Your fucking 47.8 is of how many games? Is it a full season? 10 games? 6? What year was this? Was this in a few qtrs played? For God's sake man just don't throw out a fucking number without something substantial. You do this ALL the time. Wait, Barkley was higher? .......because he played in more games and had more chances? I know Matt....personally, I worked with him while at Mater Dei and his first year at SC and I can tell Tebow is better.
You can use google with "tebow completion rate".
his entire career of 35 games, he was UNDER 48%.
You're reduced to attacking my sources and stats now. They're legit.
Barkley also sucks, but his career % is 60% completion rate... destroys Tebow.
Sorry, tebow is a great guy and amazing role model. But he's a shitty QB. This isn't a debate. All 32 teams and most fans agree. Only those who think "under 48% completion rate" goes with "Yes, he can throw" still think he's good enough. But he's not.
Again,
"Under 48%" *DOES NOT EQUAL* "Yes, he can throw"
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That's his Philadelphia profile. I like Matt as well. He's a great kid and a hard worker. But he went high in the 4th round. Tebow was Heisman winner. Too many teams are keeping quiet as to why they're not keeping him. Even for a practice squad. Something isn't right.
Doesn't matter if he's a heisman winner. He throws under 48%.
Plus, look at what he did with the Jets when the coach decided to see what the rookie alabama kid could do in that last start. Tebow lost his shit and went AWOL for that last game, didn't he?
That's not a team player. That's a ME player.
That's not a good sport, that's a "if I can't start then I won't play" bad sport.
Can you defend that? ANY player, EVER, throwing a fit because the coach doesn't start him? He's a pro. Pros don't like it, but they accept it. Tebow wouldn't. Remember that?
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His stats are right here:
http://www.nfl.com/player/timtebow/497135/careerstats
35 games played, he had a 47.9% of completed passes and 17 touchdowns.
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Look it up. Dec 23, 2012 or Dec 24, 2012.
Tebow was going to be used in wildcat QB plays, but didn't get the start when Sanchise went down.
So he threw a fit and told coaches not to put him in. If he can't be starter, then he doesn't want to play.
So now we have a guy who doesn't need to change his mechanics - doing it anyway.
We have a guy who can't throw 48%.
We have a guy who refuses to obey coach and benches himself.
Yeahhhhhh sorry, not seeing why so few think he's good enough.
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That's his Philadelphia profile. I like Matt as well. He's a great kid and a hard worker. But he went high in the 4th round. Tebow was Heisman winner. Too many teams are keeping quiet as to why they're not keeping him. Even for a practice squad. Something isn't right.
No its all his games. Seriously look again. 35 games. To me he doesn't pass the eye ball test even after his improvements.
Funny enough if Barkley didn't play that last year in college he would have got drafted in the first round. Too many QB's in college play in a spread offense and when they get to the NFL they actually have to make reads and think.
There are a lot of Heismen winners who were busts. Johnny football will be too if not already.
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Passer rating is higher than Sanchez. If you want to break it down he's more of a dual threat than most.
http://www.nfl.com/player/timtebow/497135/careerstats
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No its all his games. Seriously look again. 35 games. To me he doesn't pass the eye ball test even after his improvements.
Funny enough if Barkley didn't play that last year in college he would have got drafted in the first round. Too many QB's in college play in a spread offense and when they get to the NFL they actually have to make reads and think.
There are a lot of Heismen winners who were busts. Johnny football will be too if not already.
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Russell wilson is very vocal about his religion, and he's one of the TOP faces of the NFL, despite the fact he's not in the elite league of brady or aaron rodgers.
nobody really freaks out that he's religious. They laugh when he talks about the healing power of nano water and acts a little loopy at times, trailing off, acting odd. But he's not chased out of the NFL for his beliefs... cause he's a very good player.
Tebow just isn't good enough to be an NFL QB - and he's a disruptive backup who refused to accept the coach's lineup when he wanted to be the starter. Didn't he actually SIT OUT that last game with NYJ cause he was mad the coach gave the start to that alabama rookie QB they wanted to evaluate?
No team wants a 3rd string QB that is going to publicly throw a hissy fit and refuse to come to work, if he can't start.
Patriots brought him in and looked at him last year. Bill B said he was a good kid. However, rumblings around the organization thought he was half retarded or something. All he would say was yes coach. Ok coach. I'll try harder coach. And then do the same mistake over and over. Supposedly went up to Brady and said "we should hang out"...lol... Nice guy, but he's a toolbag...And doesn't belong anywhere near a football field anymore...
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Patriots brought him in and looked at him last year. Bill B said he was a good kid. However, rumblings around the organization thought he was half retarded or something. All he would say was yes coach. Ok coach. I'll try harder coach. And then do the same mistake over and over. Supposedly went up to Brady and said "we should hang out"...lol... Nice guy, but he's a toolbag...And doesn't belong anywhere near a football field anymore...
What's wrong with Brady and Russel hanging out? :-\ :-\
Getbiggers hang out all the time together. :D :D
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Passer rating is higher than Sanchez. If you want to break it down he's more of a dual threat than most.
http://www.nfl.com/player/timtebow/497135/careerstats
Maybe you didn't watch the last 2 seasons.
how many "dual threat" QBs were wrecked due to injury?
And if anything, he should be MORE accurate, if he's so much of a rushing threat.
Come on man, you're scrambling for an argument if we're down to "but he's better than sanchez..."
Passer rating is higher than Sanchez.
http://www.nfl.com/player/timtebow/497135/careerstats
Sanchez passes 56% competion rate, to tebows 48%.
http://www.nfl.com/player/marksanchez/79858/careerstats
I guess at some point, it comes down to a vast, left-wing conspiracy to smear tebow for his religion (even though nobody can show where it's actually happening), a vast 32-team conspiracy to squash tebow for his religion (even though losing costs them millions and Russel Wilson is religious too and they love him), and/or a vast conspiracy... um... what was the last one?
Tebow isn't good enough. fact. The people who do football for a living also agree.
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Patriots brought him in and looked at him last year. Bill B said he was a good kid. However, rumblings around the organization thought he was half retarded or something. All he would say was yes coach. Ok coach. I'll try harder coach. And then do the same mistake over and over. Supposedly went up to Brady and said "we should hang out"...lol... Nice guy, but he's a toolbag...And doesn't belong anywhere near a football field anymore...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4984943
22 on the Wonderlic test. Nobody EVER accused tebow of being brilliant.
The NFL defenses are too complex for it, I think all of us kinda see it now.
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Maybe you didn't watch the last 2 seasons.
how many "dual threat" QBs were wrecked due to injury?
And if anything, he should be MORE accurate, if he's so much of a rushing threat.
Come on man, you're scrambling for an argument if we're down to "but he's better than sanchez..."
Sanchez passes 56% competion rate, to tebows 48%.
http://www.nfl.com/player/marksanchez/79858/careerstats
I guess at some point, it comes down to a vast, left-wing conspiracy to smear tebow for his religion (even though nobody can show where it's actually happening), a vast 32-team conspiracy to squash tebow for his religion (even though losing costs them millions and Russel Wilson is religious too and they love him), and/or a vast conspiracy... um... what was the last one?
Tebow isn't good enough. fact. The people who do football for a living also agree.
Do you know the difference between passes and passer rating?
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Maybe you didn't watch the last 2 seasons.
how many "dual threat" QBs were wrecked due to injury?
And if anything, he should be MORE accurate, if he's so much of a rushing threat.
Come on man, you're scrambling for an argument if we're down to "but he's better than sanchez..."
Sanchez passes 56% competion rate, to tebows 48%.
http://www.nfl.com/player/marksanchez/79858/careerstats
I guess at some point, it comes down to a vast, left-wing conspiracy to smear tebow for his religion (even though nobody can show where it's actually happening), a vast 32-team conspiracy to squash tebow for his religion (even though losing costs them millions and Russel Wilson is religious too and they love him), and/or a vast conspiracy... um... what was the last one?
Tebow isn't good enough. fact. The people who do football for a living also agree.
I'm scrambling for an argument? Scramble should be your middle name. You won't end an argument or debate until you THINK you've won. I have 7 active players in the NFL not including 3 Rookies that entered this year. His mechanics aren't the problem.
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His mechanics aren't the problem.
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Greg Cosell admits it. McDaniels staked his career on it, and admits it was a mistake. Jaworski skewers him for it. Even tebow admits he has to fix them.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-goes-back-to-the-basics-with-his-mechanics-060915
Aside from you - who else says tebow's mechanics are fine? LInk?
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Greg Cosell admits it. McDaniels staked his career on it, and admits it was a mistake. Jaworski skewers him for it. Even tebow admits he has to fix them.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tim-tebow-goes-back-to-the-basics-with-his-mechanics-060915
Aside from you - who else says tebow's mechanics are fine? LInk?
Again, I don't give a shit who said it. I've brought this very point up to other prominent S&C coaches who are much more intuitive than me and they agree. These aren't high school coaches, these are D1 and NFL coaches (S&C) that say the same thing.
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So with this video you're basically proving my point because it was when he was the Florida where he won two National Championships, set college passing records and ultimately won the Heisman.
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So with this video you're basically proving my point because it was when he was the Florida where he won two National Championships, set college passing records and ultimately won the Heisman.
Because his system was superior. It was built for him, he had NFL talent all over the place around him. And he was bigger and faster than everyone.
Just because he won a heismann doesn't mean shit for his pro career.
Just because he won 2x titles, etc, etc.
Just because he set college records...
There's a lot of college studs that wash out in the pros. You can't just skate on talent in the pros. You have to mentally take apart those defenses. And Tebow cannot do that. He's just not smart enough, even after all these seasons.
he's a great dude, but he's just not mentally capable of reacting to complex defenses fast enough. That's why he throws 47.9%. Unless you have a different reason?
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So with this video you're basically proving my point because it was when he was the Florida where he won two National Championships, set college passing records and ultimately won the Heisman.
Unfortunately College Football and NFL football are two different things.
Running Quarterbacks in the NFL get crushed.
It's easy to win in College when you are a big guy and fast, but in the NFL, you're not fast... you're not big... A 290-300 pound DE is going to come in and chase you down because he's faster than you and you're going to get beat down.
You have to be able to throw in the NFL and unfortunately, that's not something Tebow is capable of at an NFL level.
NFL coaches care about winning above all else. If Tebow could throw and it equate to wins, they would grab him.
There's this really religious guy down in San Diego, I think he plays a big time position, also has some playoff wins I think. Has like 7 kids because he's super religious... Big money quarterback, wins in December.
Here's a hint, his name isn't Ryan Leaf.
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Lots of QBs are amazing in college, and terrible in the pros.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history
Bad mechanics, low mental ability... hey, even some really smart QBs with great mechanics suck in the pros.
I could argue that tebow got MORE chances because he's a fan favorite. After pulling that "if I can't start, then I won't play" bullshit, I'm surprised ANY team looked at him again. Terrible.
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What do you think I do for a living? Is this another troll job?
Tebow abandoned his team. Is that what good teammates do?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=452901.new#new
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Unfortunately College Football and NFL football are two different things.
Running Quarterbacks in the NFL get crushed.
It's easy to win in College when you are a big guy and fast, but in the NFL, you're not fast... you're not big... A 290-300 pound DE is going to come in and chase you down because he's faster than you and you're going to get beat down.
You have to be able to throw in the NFL and unfortunately, that's not something Tebow is capable of at an NFL level.
NFL coaches care about winning above all else. If Tebow could throw and it equate to wins, they would grab him.
There's this really religious guy down in San Diego, I think he plays a big time position, also has some playoff wins I think. Has like 7 kids because he's super religious... Big money quarterback, wins in December.
Here's a hint, his name isn't Ryan Leaf.
Yeah, I had Ryan during that time in the offseason. It was his demeanor not his skill. As for being different. NFL is a much faster game, faster players, bigger stronger, etc. but Florida had a pro style offense system. Didn't seem to make a difference when he took Denver to a playoff win and was named starting QB for the following season.
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NFL is a much faster game, faster players, bigger stronger, etc. but Florida had a pro offense system.
Well... a whole lotta Gator QBs have bombed at the NFL level after being awesome in college. Tebow is now one of them.
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Well... a whole lotta Gator QBs have bombed at the NFL level after being awesome in college. Tebow is now one of them.
Not by his doing.
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Good guy, excellent news.
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Not by his doing.
it's someone else's fault that tebow is a 48% passer and can't make a squad?
Whose?
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it's someone else's fault that tebow is a 48% passer and can't make a squad?
Whose?
Always picking a Coachfight, dude. He'd blast you in the cage, you know.
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it's someone else's fault that tebow is a 48% passer and can't make a squad?
Whose?
Kind of gives new meaning to the republican idea of "picking yourself up by your bootstraps and taking individual responsibility." Tebow fails, and it's everyone else's fault. I guess Tebow should be abdicated of all responsibility and made excuses for because he's a Christian :D If Tebow was anything else but a religious zealot, people would be saying, "well, he just didn't train hard" or "it had nothing to do with anyone else, but Tebow. He screwed up" or "God helps those who help themselves. Tebow obviously didn't help himself enough."
Nope, none of it is Tebows fault. We can just pick and choose who we want to abdicate all responsibility.
:D :D :D :D :D
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I have this explanation in another thread so here's the abbreviated version. 1. He's had basically the same mechanics since high school through college and probably even before that. 2. He problems started after he got let go by Denver. The hype that "he can't throw" is a myth of epic proportion. He was throwing just fine before he got a throwing coach to as one headline put it "teach him how to throw a football" the problem was is this coach fucked it up.
So once again, you don't take someone who has been successful through high school to become one of the best QB's college football has ever seen only to be told you can't throw and have some coach come in and establish another throwing motion and relearning new muscle patterns to throw that football. You don't do that. If that's his natural throwing motion then that's his natural throwing motion...end of story. BUT you can perfect it but for Gods sake you don't reinvent it at the age of 27. Don't be one of ones that became brainwashed into thinking that "he can't throw" that's crap.
The General Manager in Denver was John Elway, but, I'm sure you know more about throwing a football than a Hall of Fame NFL Quarterback.
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The General Manager in Denver was John Elway, but, I'm sure you know more about throwing a football than a Hall of Fame NFL Quarterback.
Maybe Elway was an atheist and discriminating against Tebow :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Maybe Elway was an atheist and discriminating against Tebow :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
This is the man to whom Coach wants to provide a lesson in football throwing mechanics:
John Albert Elway, Jr. (born June 28, 1960) is a former American football quarterback and current General Manager and Executive Vice President of Football Operations for the Denver Broncos of the National Football League(NFL). Elway played college football at Stanford and his entire 16-year professional career with the Denver Broncos. At the time of his retirement in early 1999, Elway recorded the most victories by a starting quarterback and statistically was the second most prolific passer in NFL history. He was also a prolific rusher of the ball, being one of only two players ever to score a rushing touchdown in four different Super Bowls (the other being Thurman Thomas) and the only quarterback to do so. (156 attempts) [1][2]He led his teams to six AFC Championship Games and five Super Bowls, winning his last two.
Elway was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004 in his first year of eligibility.
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I think Tebow like RG3 never doubted himself at the college level and they expect success in the NFL. When they suffer setbacks or have a bad game, the media gangs up on them and starts questioning their QB IQ, throwing mechanics, decision making etc. Once those doubts set in and their own teammates begin doubting them, they're never the same again. Redskins picked up RG3's option year for this season at $16M!!! You could actually get an entire team of Tebows for that price!
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Maybe elway just doesn't understand football guys
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Yeah, I had Ryan during that time in the offseason. It was his demeanor not his skill. As for being different. NFL is a much faster game, faster players, bigger stronger, etc. but Florida had a pro style offense system. Didn't seem to make a difference when he took Denver to a playoff win and was named starting QB for the following season.
They weren't playing pro style defenses.
That's the difference.
It's not who Tebow is playing with, but who he's playing against.
The guys in the NFL defenses are eating him alive.
It's only the guys about to be cut that he can have good games with.
I like Tebow as a person generally. I do.
He's just not an NFL QB. Add to the fact he refuses to play any other position and it just means he's going to have to get over it.
Every year he doesn't make it now is another year younger guys are starting to add up in terms of roster positions.
I like him, but he's not made for the NFL.
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I think Tebow like RG3 never doubted himself at the college level and they expect success in the NFL. When they suffer setbacks or have a bad game, the media gangs up on them and starts questioning their QB IQ, throwing mechanics, decision making etc. Once those doubts set in and their own teammates begin doubting them, they're never the same again. Redskins picked up RG3's option year for this season at $16M!!! You could actually get an entire team of Tebows for that price!
RGIII had a different problem. He has an NFL arm, but, style he plays, almost insures a short career filled with surgeries.
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The General Manager in Denver was John Elway, but, I'm sure you know more about throwing a football than a Hall of Fame NFL Quarterback.
I'm sure you know that it was Elway that named him the starting QB for the following season. But his problems didn't start until AFTER he left Denver so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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This is the man to whom Coach wants to provide a lesson in football throwing mechanics:
John Albert Elway, Jr. (born June 28, 1960) is a former American football quarterback and current General Manager and Executive Vice President of Football Operations for the Denver Broncos of the National Football League(NFL). Elway played college football at Stanford and his entire 16-year professional career with the Denver Broncos. At the time of his retirement in early 1999, Elway recorded the most victories by a starting quarterback and statistically was the second most prolific passer in NFL history. He was also a prolific rusher of the ball, being one of only two players ever to score a rushing touchdown in four different Super Bowls (the other being Thurman Thomas) and the only quarterback to do so. (156 attempts) [1][2]He led his teams to six AFC Championship Games and five Super Bowls, winning his last two.
Elway was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004 in his first year of eligibility.
Once again....his problems didn't start until after he left Denver. Elway named him as a starter. Why you keep bringing up Elway is beyond me...and obviously you.
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Again, no one here is a professional athlete, nor does anyone here consistently train professional athletes.
Even if the coaches and professional trainers saw what was wrong with Tebow, its not like they are not going to announce it to the world. And the average fan, like everyone on here, is probably not seeing it.
Either way, he was cut because he couldn't make the team. He was not good enough. This thread is starting to sound like a conspiracy theory against Tebow. lol
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Coach I'm not sure if you're trolling here.
We know you're connected and train serious athletes, that being said your contacts agree that the reason Tebow isn't on a team because of what reason ?
Also after reading through this I've lost what your main point is. Was it Tebow's mechanics arent his problem, that he isn't inaccurate or something else?
I'm not attacking you, if you're just upsetting everyone keep it up, but it seems like you're arguing just to argue.
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Coach I'm not sure if you're trolling here.
Never attribute to evil that which can be adequately be explained by incompetence. ;)
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Again, no one here is a professional athlete, nor does anyone here consistently train professional athletes.
This is a troll job. You don't know if there isn't professional athletes on here also, you know what I do for a living you;ve been to my gym. I work with pro athletes daily and during the offseason primarily football players. You're right up with 240. Congrats
Even if the coaches and professional trainers saw what was wrong with Tebow, its not like they are not going to announce it to the world. And the average fan, like everyone on here, is probably not seeing it.
Either way, he was cut because he couldn't make the team. He was not good enough. This thread is starting to sound like a conspiracy theory against Tebow. lol
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Never attribute to evil that which can be adequately be explained by incompetence. ;)
Which why you have no comeback for my answers
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Is tebow's problem mental/decision making?
You say it's not his mechanics, even though so many including tebow say it is... So I'll accept that.
So why is he only throwing a shitty 48% completion rate?
You're saying he's just not smart enough to read defenses and make good decisions?
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I have this explanation in another thread so here's the abbreviated version. 1. He's had basically the same mechanics since high school through college and probably even before that. 2. He problems started after he got let go by Denver. The hype that "he can't throw" is a myth of epic proportion. He was throwing just fine before he got a throwing coach to as one headline put it "teach him how to throw a football" the problem was is this coach fucked it up.
So once again, you don't take someone who has been successful through high school to become one of the best QB's college football has ever seen only to be told you can't throw and have some coach come in and establish another throwing motion and relearning new muscle patterns to throw that football. You don't do that. If that's his natural throwing motion then that's his natural throwing motion...end of story. BUT you can perfect it but for Gods sake you don't reinvent it at the age of 27. Don't be one of ones that became brainwashed into thinking that "he can't throw" that's crap.
Sorry for my last post, I saw this explanation.
I think when the average person, or getbigger, says Tebow "can't throw" they're not saying he literally can not throw the ball it's that his skill set isn't up to NFL standard, nor was Charlie Ward, Andre Ware, Danny Waurfell, Troy Smith, Jason White, Terell Prior and many other all time college greats.
Kurt Warner, not a college great nor a draft pick, was a guy who needed reps to improve. Coach Kelly also said Tebow needs more game reps. No one has ever been wowed by Tim's arm strength, he's no Stafford, or his delivery, it's not prototypical, but his charisma and leadership is elite.
So when most say Tebow "can't throw" it means he isn't accurate enough, not that he doesn't have arm strength.
As far as his mechanics coach, it's the same one Tom Brady uses, was his throwing motion completely reinvented or was it refined/fine tuned?
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Seriously Rob, you're out of league in this convo. You're trolling. Troll the poli board. I'm dead fucking on with this I guarantee.
So you know more than all the NFL coaches and scouts in regards to player evaluation? And you are qualified for this because you show guys how to lift weights? And your theory is that there is a massive atheist / liberal conspiracy to keep Tebow out of the NFL because he is a Christian? Don't you realize that there are all kinds of college quarterbacks who are great at the collegiate level but don't cut it in the NFL...Jamarcus Russel, RG3, Tebow, Vince Young, Danny Wuerffel, and the list goes on and on.
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Out of all the consistent posters on here, none are professional athletes. Unless Joe Montana is pretending to be Army of One or something. Other than that, no professional athletes have posted in this thread.
Again, no one here has the knowledge that professional trainers or coaches have. They know best. He didn't make the team for a reason. Its not some grand conspiracy to keep Tebow out of the NFL because hes a religious zealot. ::) ::)
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Sorry for my last post, I saw this explanation.
I think when the average person, or getbigger, says Tebow "can't throw" they're not saying he literally can not throw the ball it's that his skill set isn't up to NFL standard, nor was Charlie Ward, Andre Ware, Danny Waurfell, Troy Smith, Jason White, Terell Prior and many other all time college greats.
I completely understand that. I'm not trying to make a case for Tebow to be a starter. I'm trying to make the case that he should at least be in the NFL either as a 2-3 back up or practice squad to allow him get more reps. During his time off while he was still working out to get on a team, his reps were probably one on one's and not 7 on 7's into manned coverage. My feeling is he needs those game speed reps.
Kurt Warner, not a college great nor a draft pick, was a guy who needed reps to improve. Coach Kelly also said Tebow needs more game reps. No one has ever been wowed by Tim's arm strength, he's no Stafford, or his delivery, it's not prototypical, but his charisma and leadership is elite.
So when most say Tebow "can't throw" it means he isn't accurate enough, not that he doesn't have arm strength.
As far as his mechanics coach, it's the same one Tom Brady uses, was his throwing motion completely reinvented or was it refined/fine tuned?
Brady is in a class himself. Not even a fair comparison. But his mechanics are not the same but I'll go back and compare. What works for Brady wouldn't work for Tebow or anyone else and the same goes for anyone else trying to emulate Brady. You can make adjustments but you can't reinvent a natural throwing motion
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coach, if it's not Tebow's arm...
Is it his brain? Not mentally quick enough to beat NFL starting defenses?
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So you know more than all the NFL coaches and scouts in regards to player evaluation? And you are qualified for this because you show guys how to lift weights? And your theory is that there is a massive atheist / liberal conspiracy to keep Tebow out of the NFL because he is a Christian? Don't you realize that there are all kinds of college quarterbacks who are great at the collegiate level but don't cut it in the NFL...Jamarcus Russel, RG3, Tebow, Vince Young, Danny Wuerffel, and the list goes on and on.
Yes, the Jets, with their primarily white fan base, preferred a black quarterback, Geno Smith, to the much less marketable white Christian quarterback, Tebow.
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So you know more than all the NFL coaches and scouts in regards to player evaluation? And you are qualified for this because you show guys how to lift weights? And your theory is that there is a massive atheist / liberal conspiracy to keep Tebow out of the NFL because he is a Christian? Don't you realize that there are all kinds of college quarterbacks who are great at the collegiate level but don't cut it in the NFL...Jamarcus Russel, RG3, Tebow, Vince Young, Danny Wuerffel, and the list goes on and on.
You know religious people are batshit crazy when they start talking about a grand conspiracy of atheists in the NFL. lol ;D ;D
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Out of all the consistent posters on here, none are professional athletes. Unless Joe Montana is pretending to be Army of One or something. Other than that, no professional athletes have posted in this thread.
Again, no one here has the knowledge that professional trainers or coaches have. They know best. He didn't make the team for a reason. Its not some grand conspiracy to keep Tebow out of the NFL because hes a religious zealot. ::) ::)
Bullshit. Besides myself I know of at least two other regular posters on here. Besides, define that.
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Bullshit. Besides myself I know of at least two other regular posters on here. Besides, define that.
You wrote, "You don't know if there isn't professional athletes on here also."
So, there are professional football players here who are posting in this thread?
You realize I didn't mean any professional athlete, considering this is a football thread. I mean, we may as well throw in professional ping-pong players and make them experts on football, considering they are "professionals."
If you can point out who are the professional football players in this thread, then I will concede my point.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Thank you.
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coach, if it's not Tebow's arm...
Is it his brain? Not mentally quick enough to beat NFL starting defenses?
I have no idea. I'm just talking about throwing mechanics.
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You wrote, "You don't know if there isn't professional athletes on here also."
So, there are professional football players here who are posting in this thread?
You realize I didn't mean any professional athlete, considering this is a football thread. I mean, we may as well throw in professional ping-pong players and make them experts on football, considering they are "professionals."
If you can point out who are the professional football players in this thread, then I will concede my point.
I said professional S&C coaches and trainers and a few that have admitted to playing at the D1 level during their college careers. I have no reason to doubt them. One was a strength coach in a prominent D1 school. Besides, weren't you the one who said that "training was training" and it shouldn't be that hard to train athletes when it's all the same?
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I said professional S&C coaches and trainers and a few that have admitted to playing at the D1 level during their college careers. I have no reason to doubt them. One was a strength coach in a prominent D1 school. Besides, weren't you the one who said that "training was training" and it shouldn't be that hard to train athletes when it's all the same?
Um, no, you also said above PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES. That is someone who plays a PROFESSIONAL SPORT (NHL, MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.). ITS RIGHT THERE IN BOLDED RED!! You said, "You don't know if there isn't professional athletes on here also."
I am pretty sure no one on here is a PROFESSIONAL athlete. As you know, D1 is different than playing professional, so unless you can pinpoint someone on GB who was a professional athlete, past or current, I will assume no one on here has played on a professional sports team.
Perhaps there are S and C coaches on here. I do not know. I may be wrong, I may be right.
Training professional football players is a whole different story than training your average housewife or gym rat. I was referring to the latter.
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Um, no, you also said above PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES. That is someone who plays a PROFESSIONAL SPORT (NHL, MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.). ITS RIGHT THERE IN BOLDED RED!! You said, "You don't know if there isn't professional athletes on here also."
There is but what difference would that make?
I am pretty sure no one on here is a PROFESSIONAL athlete. As you know, D1 is different than playing professional, so unless you can pinpoint someone on GB who was a professional athlete, past or current, I will assume no one on here has played on a professional sports team.
Perhaps there are S and C coaches on here. I do not know. I may be wrong, I may be right.
Training professional football players is a whole different story than training your average housewife or gym rat. I was referring to the latter.
No you weren't, we've had this discussion in depth. You even wanted to see "studies"..lol
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What do you think I do for a living? Is this another troll job?
Hehehe either that or he must be a lurker.
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Um, no, you also said above PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES. That is someone who plays a PROFESSIONAL SPORT (NHL, MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.). ITS RIGHT THERE IN BOLDED RED!! You said, "You don't know if there isn't professional athletes on here also."
I am pretty sure no one on here is a PROFESSIONAL athlete. As you know, D1 is different than playing professional, so unless you can pinpoint someone on GB who was a professional athlete, past or current, I will assume no one on here has played on a professional sports team.
Perhaps there are S and C coaches on here. I do not know. I may be wrong, I may be right.
Training professional football players is a whole different story than training your average housewife or gym rat. I was referring to the latter.
Option D was a professional football player. Not NFL, but pro.
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What difference does it make? Well, a professional athlete would clearly have a better opinion over the the average guy sitting at home and watching football on a sunday afternoon.
Yes, its called studies. You know, that weird thing that people call "science." You know, the thing that trainers do in major universities, like USC. :-\ :-\ Look, I can do it too, "lol hahah."
Again, no one here consistently trains professional athletes on a daily basis to form a solid opinion of why Tebow was cut. We are not in the "know."
Maybe he was cut because hes a religious zealot. :-\ :-\ :-\
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Option D was a professional football player. Not NFL, but pro.
semi-pro isn't "pro" you play for free and have to supply your own pads
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Option D was a professional football player. Not NFL, but pro.
Who cares about anything else but the NFL.
Ive said hundreds of times I know jack-shit about football (besides some minor things), so the chances that I was referring to anything else besides the NFL is laughable.
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semi-pro isn't "pro" you play for free and have to supply your own pads
I think Jeff Garcia got paid when he played for Omaha.
Who cares about anything else but the NFL.
Ive said hundreds of times I know jack-shit about football (besides some minor things), so the chances that I was referring to anything else besides the NFL is laughable.
A lot of people care about the games other than the NFL.
Come on, don't you remember the XFL... It was great! For like a week.
Seriously though, see my afore mentioned comment about Jeff Garcia who did play for a non NFL team then go back to the NFL.
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I always thought Tebow did well with Denver by winning the play-offs game with them.
The problem with Tebow is that Denver had to change their entire offense around to fit him. When he took over his second year with them, they basically ran the zone-read every play to utilize his running ability but u can't use a QB as a part of the running game in the league with out getting him beat up.
( and no Russell Wilson scrambles on broken plays)
Never understood why another team couldnt squeeze him into the 3 deep.
From what I understand he has poor throwing mechanics and his stats were awful in the pre-season games. With the last few teams he was with.
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I think Jeff Garcia got paid when he played for Omaha.
A lot of people care about the games other than the NFL.
Come on, don't you remember the XFL... It was great! For like a week.
Seriously though, see my afore mentioned comment about Jeff Garcia who did play for a non NFL team then go back to the NFL.
No, I have never heard of the XFL. I assume its some sort of sport organization. Personally, I think sports are a waste of time. I played them all throughout my childhood and adolescence.
To be honest, everything I have said in this thread I am probably wrong. lol. Coach is probably more right than I am. I know pretty much nothing about football, or most sports. Its just fun to troll and see certain people meltdown lol :D :D
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No, I have never heard of the XFL. I assume its some sort of sport organization. Personally, I think sports are a waste of time. I played them all throughout my childhood and adolescence.
To be honest, everything I have said in this thread I am probably wrong. lol. Coach is probably more right than I am. I know pretty much nothing about football, or most sports. Its just fun to troll and see certain people meltdown lol :D :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL
so, its basically a bunch of people who werent good enough to make it in the NFL?
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so, its basically a bunch of people who werent good enough to make it in the NFL?
Actually, they had some players go to the NFL.
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Jesus handing it off to Tebow when he was a kid. :D :D
(http://fathersofmercy.com/wp-content/uploads/Jesus_football.jpg)
Jesus was telling Tebow to be a running back here.
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Actually, they had some players go to the NFL.
Well, at least some made it to the NFL!!
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Jesus was telling Tebow to be a running back here.
Too bad he didn't listen. He could have still been in the NFL. :D :D
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I always thought Tebow did well with Denver by winning the play-offs game with them.
The problem with Tebow is that Denver had to change their entire offense around to fit him. When he took over his second year with them, they basically ran the zone-read every play to utilize his running ability but u can't use a QB as a part of the running game in the league with out getting him beat up.
( and no Russell Wilson scrambles on broken plays)
Never understood why another team couldnt squeeze him into the 3 deep.
From what I understand he has poor throwing mechanics and his stats were awful in the pre-season games. With the last few teams he was with.
Which is why I said his downfall came AFTER he got released from Denver.
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Well, at least some made it to the NFL!!
Just saying that it does matter. I understand to most football fans, it's NFL or nothing, but to be honest, I enjoy watching college football probably more than the NFL today.
That's just me.
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Tebow got figured out by the pats after beating an injured steelers team in OT.
Once they showed he was inaccurate, could only throw to half the field, and would lose 20 yards every time they went man coverage and he scrambled, tebows one trick pony was done. Kinda like the nfl dos with rg3. Let him scramble, cover everyone with man, and he'll throw an int or lose 22 yards on the scramble every drive.
After that 30 point spanking by the Pats, tebow never played well again. The nfl learned him and he's been ineffective since. Don't blame anything but his inability to tebow accurately and faster.
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Don't blame anything but his inability to tebow accurately and faster.
;D
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/ac1394dbdcca6a36cbf486633b129cd813095ac3/r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2012/10/19/usp-nfl_-new-york-jets-at-denver-broncos-4_3.jpg)
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You know religious people are batshit crazy when they start talking about a grand conspiracy of atheists in the NFL. lol ;D ;D
It most have been one of Obama's executive orders that no NFL team is allowed to sign Tebow.
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Bullshit. Besides myself I know of at least two other regular posters on here. Besides, define that.
You and Tebow are both entitled babies. Define that phuckface.
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You and Tebow are both entitled babies. Define that phuckface.
Coach is a strength and conditioning trainer, which in no way qualifies him to evaluate a qb's mechanics.
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What's wrong with Brady and Russel hanging out? :-\ :-\
Getbiggers hang out all the time together. :D :D
Not Russel, Tebow...Tebow was trying to get on any team in the NFL and he was more concerned about trying to hang with Tom Brady. Brady is all business during the season. He don't have time for wannbe's trying to get in his circle. It's embarrassing...
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Not Russel, Tebow...Tebow was trying to get on any team in the NFL and he was more concerned about trying to hang with Tom Brady. Brady is all business during the season. He don't have time for wannbe's trying to get in his circle. It's embarrassing...
Sorry, I meant hanging out with Brady.
I understand. It would be equivalent to a getbigger trying to get into Vince Goodrums circle? Would you say this is accurate?
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You and Tebow are both entitled babies. Define that phuckface.
stfu gimmick unless you're willing to show yourself.
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Coach is a strength and conditioning trainer, which in no way qualifies him to evaluate a qb's mechanics.
I'm not evaluating his throwing mechanics. I'm saying you don't change a throwing motion that's been instilled and successful since day one.
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Tebow led the Broncos to the playoffs where they won a game and advanced to the Conference Championship. So basically, the Broncos did as well with Tebow at the helm as they have with Manning, save for the most humiliating Super Bowl defeat in history. The only question is whether Tebow could possibly have played worse than Manning. Maybe the score would've been 103-7 with Tebow as QB?
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I'm not evaluating his throwing mechanics. I'm saying you don't change a throwing motion that's been instilled and successful since day one.
The reason he throws that way is because he doesn't have a big time arm. He has to wind up to throw the ball 30 yards. That's not gonna cut it in the NFL.
It's comical how far your head is up Tebow's ass. The NFL is a league where QB play is paramount to success. He he were a viable option, teams would be lining up to sign him.
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I'm not evaluating his throwing mechanics.
You've done that a ton on this thread by saying there's nothing wrong with his mechanics.
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The reason he throws that way is because he doesn't have a big time arm. He has to wind up to throw the ball 30 yards. That's not gonna cut it in the NFL.
It's comical how far your head is up Tebow's ass. The NFL is a league where QB play is paramount to success. He he were a viable option, teams would be lining up to sign him.
1. Bullshit, explain his performance in Denver. If he did it there he can do it just about anywhere.
2. My head isn't up his ass. It's matter of why NO team will respond to why they won't retain him. He's far from the worst QB in the league. There's something else to it.
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Btw, two of the biggest trolls in this thread are 240 and SF1900 with his religious hatred BS. Dude seriously needs some peace in his life. Another miserable atheist.
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1. Bullshit, explain his performance in Denver. If he did it there he can do it just about anywhere.
2. My head isn't up his ass. It's matter of why NO team will respond to why they won't retain him. He's far from the worst QB in the league. There's something else to it.
I don't have explain anything. Any Quarterback can have a few good games. That doesn't make him a viable long term option.
You have to explain why one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time gave up on him in Denver, and why he couldn't win a spot as a backup on the Jets who were starving for a good quarterback, at the time.
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Btw, two of the biggest trolls in this thread are 240 and SF1900 with his religious hatred BS. Dude seriously needs some peace in his life. Another miserable atheist.
Coach,
are you calling me an athiest?
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Here is what Jay Feely, who has been in the NFL for 14 years, had to say about Tebow:
"Chip Kelly thinks he’s smarter, and so can take a guy that everybody else has quit on and can make him work and utilize him… [Tebow] is such a dichotomy for me because I really respect the person, the man, the things that he believes in and the things he does off the field, he was the single worst quarterback I ever saw in my career in the NFL. Like, I watched him one day. I sat and watched him do routes on air with Ken Whisenhunt as we were playing the Broncos, and routes on air—there’s no DBs, you know exactly what he’s going to run. There’s no pass rush. He had like 13 incompletions in routes on air. Like, Jim, you and I could go out and do routes on air and we’d complete most of our passes.”
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There's something else to it.
Maybe you're right. It's a conspiracy.
I heard when the Jets signed Michael Vick, the GM was overheard saying, "Vick might have done time for being involved in a cruel dog fighting ring, but, at least he's not religious like Tebow."
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4e/71/40/4e7140e91ead88d17080067a80c6290a.gif)
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1. Bullshit, explain his performance in Denver. If he did it there he can do it just about anywhere.
2. My head isn't up his ass. It's matter of why NO team will respond to why they won't retain him. He's far from the worst QB in the league. There's something else to it.
You think a 50% completion rate will keep you in the NFL? In 2011 he threw for 1700 yards...12 Tds in 14 games. He rushed for 50 yards a game. He didn't make a ton of mistakes but it was the kicker for Denver that got them into the playoffs with some incredible field goals in key spots. He had a pretty good game against the Steelers and won that playoff game. I'll give him that .But still only completed 50% of his passes. However, when he went to New England, the Pats filled up the box and completely took away any sort of run and made Tebow try to beat them with his arm. Tebow went 9 for 26 with zero TD's in that game. That's the game that everyone in the NFL saw what he was. When you take away the run, he doesn't have the NFL arm to beat you. Way way too many very good arms in the NFL for anyone to give Tebow another chance. The league is becoming more and more of a throwing league. And it's going to become even more so. The kid was a great College football player. One of the best to play the game. He has nothing to be ashamed of. Just doesn't have the arm to play in the NFL is all. No big deal really. He's loved in this Country so he will be set for life in whatever else he wants to do...
http://www.nfl.com/player/timtebow/497135/careerstats
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However, when he went to New England, the Pats filled up the box and completely took away any sort of run and made Tebow try to beat them with his arm.
This is what Coach doesn't understand. Once the opposing coaching staffs get some film of a player and see what he likes to do, either the player adjusts or finds a new line work.
That's the reason for the dreaded "Sophmore Jinx." You're not taking anyone by surprise, anymore.
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Btw, two of the biggest trolls in this thread are 240 and SF1900 with his religious hatred BS. Dude seriously needs some peace in his life. Another miserable atheist.
coach,
are you calling me an athiest?
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This is what Coach doesn't understand. Once the opposing coaching staffs get some film of a player and see what he likes to do, either the player adjusts or finds a new line work.
Yup. That's why RG3 is done and Vic is basically done. Pats played Denver a few years ago and Bill B let Manning keep gaining 7 to 10 yards on every run between the 20's. Manning just kept handing off taking what the Pats would give him. Over and over he would hand off and gain 10 to 15 yards. When he got to the red zone, Pats change it up and made Manning try to throw. Manning was so off with his passes because the was handing off all game. Manning said himself he didn't know what Bill was doing at the time and took what they were giving him. But said he now understands what Bill was doing. Passing is all about tempo. Manning fucked up his tempo that game by taking the large yards on the ground. He said he learnt a lot from that game...
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Maybe Belichick's best defense is to accuse all tebow haters of being athiests.
seems to work on getbig just fine.
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I'm not evaluating his throwing mechanics. I'm saying you don't change a throwing motion that's been instilled and successful since day one.
exactly. Can you imagine if someone told Jim Furyk he had to change his golf swing?
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This thread delivers! ;D ;D ;D :D :D
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Maybe you're right. It's a conspiracy.
I heard when the Jets signed Michael Vick, the GM was overheard saying, "Vick might have done time for being involved in a cruel dog fighting ring, but, at least he's not religious like Tebow."
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4e/71/40/4e7140e91ead88d17080067a80c6290a.gif)
It's a conspiracy!!! The top people in the NFL are atheists and have all conspired to keep Christians like Tebow out of the NFL :D :D
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This is what Coach doesn't understand. Once the opposing coaching staffs get some film of a player and see what he likes to do, either the player adjusts or finds a new line work.
That's the reason for the dreaded "Sophmore Jinx." You're not taking anyone by surprise, anymore.
*sigh*
I understand just fine. I'm around it everyday. In my gym and on a field plus my kid plays in college. I have 7 active NFL players...I get it ::)
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exactly. Can you imagine if someone told Jim Furyk he had to change his golf swing?
That's a great point. Also, if you watch the 40 run of Taylor Mays when he unofficially ran his 4.24, he has an unconventional start yet it was the fastest at that years combine. I say if someone tried to change it, it would have been a slower time. BTW, his coach for that combine was Chris Carlisle, a believer in perfecting and not changing.
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exactly. Can you imagine if someone told Jim Furyk he had to change his golf swing?
Absolutely true.
Tebow's mechanics can't and won't change. It's been how he's lived.
It just doesn't get the job done in the NFL. It's not me saying it... I have no skin in the Tebow game and I really was rooting for the kid. I really thought he got a bad deal in NY.
I was hoping he could make the strides and get back to the big show, but no one in the NFL thinks he has.
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Tebow's old coach!
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That's a great point. Also, if you watch the 40 run of Taylor Mays when he unofficially ran his 4.24, he has an unconventional start yet it was the fastest at that years combine. I say if someone tried to change it, it would have been a slower time. BTW, his coach for that combine was Chris Carlisle, a believer in perfecting and not changing.
Coach it's funny you'd reference Taylor Mays, a guy that's so athletically gifted many saw him as a no brainer first round talent, and many more were shocked when his college coach Pete Carroll passed on him and drafted another safety instead.
Despite being a second round pick, with protypical size and speed and a NFL bloodline, Mays can't stay on a NFL team despite the league being in desperate need of safety's with his skill set.
Mays thought there was a conspiracy when he didn't go in the first round, he thought former coaches planted rumors about him, that turned out not to be true. The facts are he isn't good enough to be a consistent NFL player.
In the regards to Tebow I think this is the case as well. Teams look at players as commodities that are either appreciating or depreciating. As a player ages if he hasn't developed in the desired way teams move onto younger players, that doesn't mean their career is over though they just have to mature in different leagues.
There's an old saying among teams that says you are what the game tape says you are. In Tims case he's not a viable starting or backup option. Most teams aren't carrying a 3rd string qb, and if they do they stash them on the practice squad. Because he's acquired 3 years experience on actual teams Tebow is ineligible to be a practice squad player.
All that said I'm sure teams don't like the media attention he gets as a backup, and that may keep him off of teams radars, but if he was a viable option to help they'd put up with it. I don't think there'd be a conspiracy to keep him off a team, as that would also be some type of collusion.
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So you know more than all the NFL coaches and scouts in regards to player evaluation? And you are qualified for this because you show guys how to lift weights? And your theory is that there is a massive atheist / liberal conspiracy to keep Tebow out of the NFL because he is a Christian? Don't you realize that there are all kinds of college quarterbacks who are great at the collegiate level but don't cut it in the NFL...Jamarcus Russel, RG3, Tebow, Vince Young, Danny Wuerffel, and the list goes on and on.
I wouldn't say Vince young couldn't cut it in the NFL level. He was a pro bowler , it was his fault for his downfall, lazy work ethic, mentality
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Just trolling brah.
Tebow has skills but they don't translate in today's game, same is true for guys like Troy Smith, Terell Prior, Colt McCoy and now RG3.
Bottom line is dude won games, as have others, but he didn't do it in a satisfying way, he wasn't accurate (which upset teammates who negotiate contracts based on stats) and didn't read defenses very well.
The teams all say winning is the bottom line, but it's only true if you can run the offense they want.
But colt McCoy still has a job as a qb and could easily start again if cousins screw up, he didn't play too bad last year against the Cowboys
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But colt McCoy still has a job as a qb and could easily start again if cousins screw up, he didn't play too bad last year against the Cowboys
I meant he was a college star who has bounced around teams, no team looks at him as a legit starter, same now holds true with RGIII as well.