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hey your sig,...whats that about,.......cakes and jewelry ,..Ive always wondered
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Holds true with anything involving lawyers, not just divorce. I was told I'd need to find $200-$250k to collect a $25k debt in district court, which I wouldn't be able to collect anyway if the guy just felt like declaring his business bankrupt which is exactly what he did when someone else sued him. The legal system is worthless. The bottom line is don't have cunts in your life. In business, in marriage, whatever.
The only good result I ever got from a lawyer was his threat of legal action on the basis of criminal conduct to get someone to fuck off. Civil action is so prohibitively expensive that it is inaccessible for individuals and small business.
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Been there, done that, no fun.
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Here is what the average male goes through now, I would not be surprised if others here have at least one friend that sounded like this:
"I know what you are saying, and I agree with everything you are saying, but this girls I am about to propose to is different, she was even against the whole marriage thing. In a million years I never thought I would be getting married, we never argue, we never fight, we love the same movies, and she totally gets my sense of humor. She is super hot, she got offered millions to model but she just wants to live a simple life, this billionaire wanted to marry her but she did not like the fact that he......"
Fast forward a bit
"Married life is great, seriously you need to find someone and settle down, my wife knows this girl... When can you come over for dinner, she is an amazing cook.... I can't imagine how depressing it must be being alone...."
Fast forward a bit
"Me and my wife are having some problems... her mother is creating drama..... I suspect she is speaking to her ex.... but all couples have problems, we are working things through and I feel we will come out stronger..."
Fast forward a bit
"Hey, you know my wife is really good at spotting trends, anyway she did some research and found a great area that the houses are still affordable. I might be making an offer in 5 minutes"
Fast forward a bit
"Originally the plan was to wait 5 years before having kids this way we can enjoy some alone time... But my wife made a valid point, she said that...... so yeah, she is now pregnant she is in her 3rd month and I cannot be happier....."
Fast forward a bit the baby is born, the house is purchased, shes no longer working or outspending everything she and her husband earns and now the baby is about 10 months old
Fast forward a bit and you get the almost expected call
"My and my wife are getting a divorce, no drama, we just decided its best for both of us to move on. For the sake of little tony we are keeping things very peaceful and you know what, I can't complain, I had a great few years and every time I look at little tony I just feel everything was worth it"
Fast forward a bit
Everything explodes, all you hear is nasty stories about how bad she treated him since the night of the wedding, you hear stories about order of protections, court orders, divorce lawyers, complex conspiracy theories about her family, and finally you discover the the friend you knew since childhood is now a different human, he is taking anti-depressants, he is no longer eating healthy, he is cooked.
YET a bit time goes by and this idiot announces he found a new girl that is really really unique and he is thinking of getting married again
Yes I know, everyone has a theory as to why a marriage didn't work out, and everyone has advice as to how to make it work. The fact is that even thou the divorce rate is at 55%, the amount of people living in marriage hell is almost 100% especially those between 21-45
There is no upside to marriage, the argument about having kids is BS, you are destroying a child when you bring them up in a home full of fights and divorce. The argument of not being alone when you are old, well she won't be there anyway for you.
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Here is what the average male goes through now, I would not be surprised if others here have at least one friend that sounded like this:
"I know what you are saying, and I agree with everything you are saying, but this girls I am about to propose to is different, she was even against the whole marriage thing. In a million years I never thought I would be getting married, we never argue, we never fight, we love the same movies, and she totally gets my sense of humor. She is super hot, she got offered millions to model but she just wants to live a simple life, this billionaire wanted to marry her but she did not like the fact that he......"
Fast forward a bit
"Married life is great, seriously you need to find someone and settle down, my wife knows this girl... When can you come over for dinner, she is an amazing cook.... I can't imagine how depressing it must be being alone...."
Fast forward a bit
"Me and my wife are having some problems... her mother is creating drama..... I suspect she is speaking to her ex.... but all couples have problems, we are working things through and I feel we will come out stronger..."
Fast forward a bit
"Hey, you know my wife is really good at spotting trends, anyway she did some research and found a great area that the houses are still affordable. I might be making an offer in 5 minutes"
Fast forward a bit
"Originally the plan was to wait 5 years before having kids this way we can enjoy some alone time... But my wife made a valid point, she said that...... so yeah, she is now pregnant she is in her 3rd month and I cannot be happier....."
Fast forward a bit the baby is born, the house is purchased, shes no longer working or outspending everything she and her husband earns and now the baby is about 10 months old
Fast forward a bit and you get the almost expected call
"My and my wife are getting a divorce, no drama, we just decided its best for both of us to move on. For the sake of little tony we are keeping things very peaceful and you know what, I can't complain, I had a great few years and every time I look at little tony I just feel everything was worth it"
Fast forward a bit
Everything explodes, all you hear is nasty stories about how bad she treated him since the night of the wedding, you hear stories about order of protections, court orders, divorce lawyers, complex conspiracy theories about her family, and finally you discover the the friend you knew since childhood is now a different human, he is taking anti-depressants, he is no longer eating healthy, he is cooked.
YET a bit time goes by and this idiot announces he found a new girl that is really really unique and he is thinking of getting married again
Yes I know, everyone has a theory as to why a marriage didn't work out, and everyone has advice as to how to make it work. The fact is that even thou the divorce rate is at 55%, the amount of people living in marriage hell is almost 100% especially those between 21-45
There is no upside to marriage, the argument about having kids is BS, you are destroying a child when you bring them up in a home full of fights and divorce. The argument of not being alone when you are old, well she won't be there anyway for you.
This is pretty good.
I wonder what the successful 45% are doing to keep it together?
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Less men are getting married and the main reason why is because the legal system is biased toward men in divorce cases.
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Less men are getting married and the main reason why is because the legal system is biased toward men in divorce cases.
Is this a typo or did you mean to type this exactly as written?
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Less men are getting married and the main reason why is because the legal system is biased toward men in divorce cases.
So are less women getting married too? :)
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Is this a typo or did you mean to type this exactly as written?
Its what I read in an article published by two women professors.
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This is pretty good.
I wonder what the successful 45% is doing to keep it together?
Not getting divorced does not = a happy marriage. You can survive a car accident but that does not mean you are not a cripple.
Majority of married people under 45 are living a life of hell (not counting their FB life).
Cops are busy all day and night responding to married couples who are fighting and marriage counselors are making a fortune.
It doesn't work and it will not work for you regardless of why you think it will, remember, every married men that is currently broken into pieces at one point believed he had it all figured out.
It is a duty for all of us who know the truth to warn everyone about the dangers, even if only 0.5% listen and follow the advice its still worth it.
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Its what I read in an article published by two women professors.
read the book men on strike, written by a woman
and I think you meant biased against men
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read the book men on strike, written by a woman
and I think you meant biased against men
Yes, thank you for correcting me. Was a typo.
Yes, the legal system is biased against men in divorce cases.
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Yes, thank you for correcting me. Was a typo.
Yes, the legal system is biased against men in divorce cases.
LOL I had to ask because that seemed like a really surprising pov for this site.
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Not getting divorced does not = a happy marriage. You can survive a car accident but that does not mean you are not a cripple.
Majority of married people under 45 are living a life of hell (not counting their FB life).
Cops are busy all day and night responding to married couples who are fighting and marriage counselors are making a fortune.
It doesn't work and it will not work for you regardless of why you think it will, remember, every married men that is currently broken into pieces at one point believed he had it all figured out.
It is a duty for all of us who know the truth to warn everyone about the dangers, even if only 0.5% listen and follow the advice its still worth it.
Good point. I also think the concept of happiness is an interesting variable. Many think a relationship is what they're missing in life and have unrealistic expectations for their spouse causing the "unhappiness", when the issue is an internal one.
Everything in life is a gamble, marriage is no different. It seems, and I'm generalizing and obviously using a small sample size, people want to be married but many settle when choosing a spouse (for numerous reasons), so they're starting a union of compromises on a compromised base. Unhappiness begot more unhappiness.
But people will do what they want.
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Good point. I also think the concept of happiness is an interesting variable. Many think a relationship is what they're missing in life and have unrealistic expectations for their spouse causing the "unhappiness", when the issue is an internal one.
Everything in life is a gamble, marriage is no different. It seems, and I'm generalizing and obviously using a small sample size, people want to be married but many settle when choosing a spouse (for numerous reasons), so they're starting a union of compromises on a compromised base. Unhappiness begot more unhappiness.
But people will do what they want.
"Everything in life is a gamble, marriage is no different."
Yes, however a sane person studies the odds, a stupid person follows their "gut" feelings.
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"Everything in life is a gamble, marriage is no different."
Yes, however a sane person studies the odds, a stupid person follows their "gut" feelings.
Agreed, I wasn't necessarily saying that to argue with you.
Even under the best of circumstances a marriage is still extremely difficult. However we blindly follow social ques and norms, thus people have an internal pressure to get married and when they're "unhappy" the feel the need to leave that marriage for something better/different (I know this isn't always the case some people are in horrific marriages, but I've known, like many here have, many couples who've spilt for ridiculous reasons).
We've attempted to redefine what constitutes marriage between individuals, but maybe we should concentrate on redefining what are the expectations in/of a marriage.
We need to be taught how to drive a car before we are licensed to drive, maybe we need to be taught on how to value /treat/respect/honor others in relationships before people are licensed to wed (I know we still have bad drivers and we'd still have bad marriages/divorce but I'm just spit balling here)?
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"Everything in life is a gamble, marriage is no different."
Yes, however a sane person studies the odds, a stupid person follows their "gut" penis feelings.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
LOL
Well said
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This is pretty good.
I wonder what the successful 45% are doing to keep it together?
More like 25%. Nothing. They simply got LUCKY (to meet a person that is SO compatible on the long run). Simple as that.
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More like 25%. Nothing. They simply got LUCKY (to meet a person that is SO compatible on the long run). Simple as that.
They rather letting their balls cut for a bit of pussy and put up with all the unnecessary BS.
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I say this all the time, but any man dumb enough to get married in America deserves to be raked over the coals. By getting married you are forcing yourself into legal bondage.
10 years ago in my 20's, all of my friends were telling me how awesome marriage was and how happy they were. They got so pushy about it, they started trying to convince me it was a good idea.
Fast forward 10 years to today and about 75% of them are divorced, separated or living in hell.
All of them come over to my place on Sunday to watch football and to bitch about marriage.
Looks like I dodged that bullet!
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I say this all the time, but any man dumb enough to get married in America deserves to be raked over the coals. By getting married you are forcing yourself into legal bondage.
10 years ago in my 20's, all of my friends were telling me how awesome marriage was and how happy they were. They got so pushy about it, they started trying to convince me it was a good idea.
Fast forward 10 years to today and about 75% of them are divorced, separated or living in hell.
All of them come over to my place on Sunday to watch football and to bitch about marriage.
Looks like I dodged that bullet!
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most men can relate to what you said
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I'm pretty happy. Doesn't mean I haven't thought about killing her a few time though...
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horrifying. My most recent relationship lasted 5 months, emotionally felt like I had experienced a 30+ year mirage
I can only imagine...
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As someone who has been divorced once, and in the legal system directly involved with judges lawyers legal assistants what have you. There are so many variables. If you have no kids can be a relatively painless and inexpensive process. Once there are kids involved it all changes. Also depends what state you live in. Laws are different from state to state. For instance Florida has no fault divorce and no legal separation. Which speeds things up and makes things somewhat less complicated than other states.
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I understand the anti-marriage sentiments.
What do y'all think it takes to be successful in a marriage?
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More like 25%. Nothing. They simply got LUCKY (to meet a person that is SO compatible on the long run). Simple as that.
The thing is, by most informed estimates, the divorce rate in America is dropping. 25% might be closer to the divorce rate than the success rate of marriages within the last 20 years.
The earlier poster had it PARTIALLY right that fewer men are getting married. A more accurate picture is that the marriage rate is dropping and both men and women are getting married later. Marriage is not a reflexive life choice for people anymore. While men are still the primary breadwinners, when people wait to get married, both parties generally come to the table more financially stable.
the messiest divorces tend to be about money and/or kids. If a marriage doesn't involve a huge financial imbalance or kids, it's not likely to drag on for years.
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People are picking whacked out partners.
WHen guys pick goldigging tramps who are pretending to be wife material but are really looking for someone playing captain save a ho....it costs way too much.
I wouldn't advise marrying them.
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People are picking whacked out partners.
WHen guys pick goldigging tramps who are pretending to be wife material but are really looking for someone playing captain save a ho....it costs way too much.
I wouldn't advise marrying them.
It seems pretty straightforward LOL.
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The thing is, by most informed estimates, the divorce rate in America is dropping. 25% might be closer to the divorce rate than the success rate of marriages within the last 20 years.
The earlier poster had it PARTIALLY right that fewer men are getting married. A more accurate picture is that the marriage rate is dropping and both men and women are getting married later. Marriage is not a reflexive life choice for people anymore. While men are still the primary breadwinners, when people wait to get married, both parties generally come to the table more financially stable.
the messiest divorces tend to be about money and/or kids. If a marriage doesn't involve a huge financial imbalance or kids, it's not likely to drag on for years.
True. Plus in the last 8 years or so when the economy tanked there were less divorces because of finances. People where staying together and trying to work things out, because divorce was no longer an easier option.
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It seems pretty straightforward LOL.
Some of our friends, I don't know WHAT they are thinking...except the sex must be really good and it will always be like this. I can see these people are nothing but gold diggers a mile away! You should pick someone that you can have a great time with outside of The bedroom. It sounds cliche but you really should be friends first and enjoy each others company. Also chicks who want to be with you 24/7 and have nothing going on but you is a sure fire sign of impending doom.
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Some of our friends, I don't know WHAT they are thinking...except the sex must be really good and it will always be like this. I can see these people are nothing but gold diggers a mile away! You should pick someone that you can have a great time with outside of The bedroom. It sounds cliche but you really should be friends first and enjoy each others company. Also chicks who want to be with you 24/7 and have nothing going on but you is a sure fire sign of impending doom.
Doesn't sound cliche at all.
People can pay for great sex.
I figure you'd marry someone you love, that comes from good stock, that makes you laugh, that makes you feel special, that challenges you, holds you accountable and if the sex in the marriage is great on top of that then score!!
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Doesn't sound cliche at all.
People can pay for great sex.
I figure you'd marry someone you love, that comes from good stock, that makes you laugh, that makes you feel special, that challenges you, holds you accountable and if the sex in the marriage is great on top of that then score!!
Right??? But many people have so many unspoken and ulterior motives regarding marriage that they try to hide but it's obvious. I really can't see starting off any other way than as friends...you like to be around your friends because you have a good time together and you can talk about anything. Why people do not think that's crucial in marriage is beyond me.
My biggest thing is you have to have the same values and want the same things out of life. You also need to develop a strong bond because that's what makes the best sex!
It's work but very much worth it.
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When I went to my 25 year high school reunion, the majority of people were married and divorced at least once. Was quite common.
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Right??? But many people have so many unspoken and ulterior motives regarding marriage that they try to hide but it's obvious. I really can't see starting off any other way than as friends...you like to be around your friends because you have a good time together and you can talk about anything. Why people do not think that's crucial in marriage is beyond me.
My biggest thing is you have to have the same values and want the same things out of life. You also need to develop a strong bond because that's what makes the best sex!
It's work but very much worth it.
I agree completely.
I think today's young women often have unreasonable expectations for men and marriage and are self-absorbed and entitled. Yet, I think the crop of men women have to choose from are essentially "middle aged adolescents" that exist in a fantasy world of narcissism, pornography, denial and lethargy.
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I understand the anti-marriage sentiments.
What do y'all think it takes to be successful in a marriage?
Friends, have the same value system, communication, and of course there has to be a physical and sexual attraction.
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I agree completely.
I think today's young women often have unreasonable expectations for men and marriage and are self-absorbed and entitled. Yet, I think the crop of men women have to choose from are essentially "middle aged adolescents" that exist in a fantasy world of narcissism, pornography, denial and lethargy.
I totally agree. Many women I know are too insecure and are looking for someone to rescue them. They also have zero to offer in terms of emotional support. As soon as it's not all about me anymore they become nags and aren't happy anymore. Then they blame the guy for withdrawing.
As far as men are concerned, I think a lot of men don't know how to be men anymore and can you blame them? Society seems to frown on strong men but that's what women really want. A guy who takes charge and doesn't act like he's in junior high school anymore.
Too much immaturity on both sides.
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Friends, have the same value system, communication, and of course there has to be a physical and sexual attraction.
you are setting yourself up for a round two anal deep penetration divorce, stay single and stop being such as desperate romance fool
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you are setting yourself up for a round two anal deep penetration divorce, stay single and stop being such as desperate romance fool
I am married. Second time for 21 yrs. Didn't think I would ever get married again but it just happened. Been through a lot of stuff together, those things are what kept it together. It hasn't been easy.
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I totally agree. Many women I know are too insecure and are looking for someone to rescue them. They also have zero to offer in terms of emotional support. As soon as it's not all about me anymore they become nags and aren't happy anymore. Then they blame the guy for withdrawing.
As far as men are concerned, I think a lot of men don't know how to be men anymore and can you blame them? Society seems to frown on strong men but that's what women really want. A guy who takes charge and doesn't act like he's in junior high school anymore.
Too much immaturity on both sides.
Women do want a strong, loving man, but today's men are such accessorized pansies with smooth hands and salon styled facial hair. Our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers would chew them up and spit them out.
It's funny, but this weekend I came home from the gym. I had trained back...I was wiped out and it was getting close to dinner. I knew my daughter would be hungry soon and so would my wife....I'm always hungry LOL.
I hemmed and hawed a bit and said, "What would you like for dinner?" She looked me in the face and said, you know what would honestly be great is for you to come home and just kindly yet firmly say, "Sweetie, tonight we're doing this and this. Just kinda of take charge of the situation...I love that."
I love that about my wife....stands her ground appropriately yet wants me to lead.
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Women do want a strong, loving man, but today's men are such pansies. Our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfather would chew them up and spit them out.
It's funny, but this weekend I came home from the gym. I had trained back...I was wiped out and it was getting close to dinner. I knew my daughter would be hungry soon and so would my wife....I'm always hungry LOL.
I hemmed and hawed a bit and said, "What would you like for dinner?" She looked me in the face and said, you know what would honestly be great is for you to come home and just kindly yet firmly say, "Sweetie, tonight we're doing this and this. Just kinda of take charge of the situation...I love that."
Your wife sounds like she would be annoying. If you would have taken charge, she would have said, "Ugh, you're so pushy, always telling me what to do." Instead, you ask her what she would like for dinner, and she wants you to "take charge." Sounds like a headcase.
You should divorce her.
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I am married. Second time for 21 yrs. Didn't think I would ever get married again but it just happened. Been through a lot of stuff together, those things are what kept it together. It hasn't been easy.
I heard many men say what you said "Been through a lot of stuff together, those things are what kept it together." I guess this is some highly encoded language only married men understand, as I cannot figure out what exactly that means.
To me it sounds just as stupid as someone saying "I have been driving the same car now for 21 years, It is a nonstop headache (yeah some great times too), however it is those headaches that make me want to continue suffering driving around this car forever".
I do wish you well thou
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I am married. Second time for 21 yrs. Didn't think I would ever get married again but it just happened. Been through a lot of stuff together, those things are what kept it together. It hasn't been easy.
A lot of people have no concept of loyalty. The second the shit hits the fan they are out or things stop hunky dory it's all ove. You have to have a deeper connection than just superficial and shallow. I will be honest I was not attracted at all physically at first and it wasn't because of a lack of attractiveness because that's not it at all but I think its what helped the friendship. Plus I came in at a low point so there were more pressing matters and so many just want to be loyal when things are good
I almost quit at first but realized that it was worth it
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I am married. Second time for 21 yrs. Didn't think I would ever get married again but it just happened. Been through a lot of stuff together, those things are what kept it together. It hasn't been easy.
No, not easy but you're sticking it out like a grown man does and growing together. You aren't a coward about things and run for the hills when you break a nail like so some small men do.
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A lot of people have no concept of loyalty. The second the shit hits the fan they are out or things stop hunky dory it's all ove. You have to have a deeper connection than just superficial and shallow. I will be honest I was not attracted at all physically at first and it wasn't because of a lack of attractiveness because that's not it at all but I think its what helped the friendship. Plus I came in at a low point so there were more pressing matters and so many just want to be loyal when things are good
I almost quit at first but realized that it was worth it
yup, everyone preaches what you preach yet most married people especially those under 45 are beyond miserable
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No, not easy but you're sticking it out like a grown man does and growing together. You aren't a coward about things and run for the hills when you break a nail like so some small men do.
has it ever dawned on you that a woman can leave a man too?
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yup, everyone preaches what you preach yet most married people especially those under 45 are beyond miserable
That is unfortunate. I'd wager it's a product of immaturity, unreasonable expectations and lovelessness.
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has it ever dawned on you that a woman can leave a man too?
In many religious circles, the woman plays a subordinate role to the man, thus they will hardly ever leave a man.
In the real world, it happens all the time.
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has it ever dawned on you that a woman can leave a man too?
Of course, but I'm speaking to men in this thread.
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True. Plus in the last 8 years or so when the economy tanked there were less divorces because of finances. People where staying together and trying to work things out, because divorce was no longer an easier option.
Yup. The divorce rate really started to explode following the women's lib revolution. Some choose to look at this as the beginning of society falling apart, but it really has more to do with a portion of women developing financial independence from men. Realistically, financial dependence is what was keeping a lot of marriages together. It still is, but just to a lesser degree.
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Yup. The divorce rate really started to explode following the women's lib revolution. Some choose to look at this as the beginning of society falling apart, but it really has more to do with a portion of women developing financial independence from men. Realistically, financial dependence is what was keeping a lot of marriages together. It still is, but just to a lesser degree.
This is pretty much it in a nutshell.
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Your wife sounds like she would be annoying. If you would have taken charge, she would have said, "Ugh, you're so pushy, always telling me what to do." Instead, you ask her what she would like for dinner, and she wants you to "take charge." Sounds like a headcase.
You should divorce her.
You and me are done.
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You and me are done.
Did we ever start? :D :D
I was just pointing out the absurdity of her statement. It is absurd. I am sorry that you cannot see this. This would hold true for a man or woman who made such a statement to a significant other.
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Your wife sounds like she would be annoying. If you would have taken charge, she would have said, "Ugh, you're so pushy, always telling me what to do." Instead, you ask her what she would like for dinner, and she wants you to "take charge." Sounds like a headcase.
You should divorce her.
Total bitchmove.
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You and me are done.
what about Luke 6:37?
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."
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Total bitchmove.
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Oh boy, taken the internet a little too serious. He was the one who talked about his wife and I responded to it. Further, my statement would apply (IMO) to a man or woman who was in a relationship. Its not exclusive to his wife.
Its the same thing with Navy Mike. He puts it out there, and people respond to it as they see fit.
A bitchmove would have been exposing his wife or posting pics or something like that (Id never do that to anyone here). I simply responded to him.
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yup, everyone preaches what you preach yet most married people especially those under 45 are beyond miserable
Most of these people are miserable people. Being married only amplifies jt and now they have another person to spread their misery to.
They get divorced...screw everything and are still miserable or go to their new girlfriend and are still miserable. It's them
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hey your sig,...whats that about,.......cakes and jewelry ,..Ive always wondered
Wiggs actually said it to True Adonis lol Go back to making jewelry and cakes with your girlfriend
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I say this all the time, but any man dumb enough to get married in America deserves to be raked over the coals. By getting married you are forcing yourself into legal bondage.
10 years ago in my 20's, all of my friends were telling me how awesome marriage was and how happy they were. They got so pushy about it, they started trying to convince me it was a good idea.
Fast forward 10 years to today and about 75% of them are divorced, separated or living in hell.
All of them come over to my place on Sunday to watch football and to bitch about marriage.
Looks like I dodged that bullet!
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Tell Howard I said Hi.
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Oh boy, taken the internet a little too serious. He was the one who talked about his wife and I responded to it. Further, my statement would apply (IMO) to a man or woman who was in a relationship. Its not exclusive to his wife.
Its the same thing with Navy Mike. He puts it out there, and people respond to it as they see fit.
A bitchmove would have been exposing his wife or posting pics or something like that (Id never do that to anyone here). I simply responded to him.
Thanks for clarifying; I'll edit my bitchmove criteria accordingly.
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I say this all the time, but any man dumb enough to get married in America deserves to be raked over the coals. By getting married you are forcing yourself into legal bondage.
10 years ago in my 20's, all of my friends were telling me how awesome marriage was and how happy they were. They got so pushy about it, they started trying to convince me it was a good idea.
Fast forward 10 years to today and about 75% of them are divorced, separated or living in hell.
All of them come over to my place on Sunday to watch football and to bitch about marriage.
Looks like I dodged that bullet!
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the quality of men and women have gone down hill.
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Its like this in every country.
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Its like this in every country that doesn't value the family or a man's role in it, or men in general.
fixed
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A lot of people have no concept of loyalty. The second the shit hits the fan they are out or things stop hunky dory it's all ove. You have to have a deeper connection than just superficial and shallow. I will be honest I was not attracted at all physically at first and it wasn't because of a lack of attractiveness because that's not it at all but I think its what helped the friendship. Plus I came in at a low point so there were more pressing matters and so many just want to be loyal when things are good
I almost quit at first but realized that it was worth it
Bingo. In this society it's flight not fight. Plus coming from the same type of background, both parents still together has a lot to do with it also. Not saying it can't work in divorced families, but a lot can be said for learned behavior.
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Bingo. In this society it's flight not fight. Plus coming from the same type of background, both parents still together has a lot to do with it also. Not saying it can't work in divorced families, but a lot can be said for learned behavior.
I think that has a lot to do with it. Many people do not know how to be in a healthy relationship or even what it looks like. If you don't know, then You've got to work at even learning what that's about. It's not going to be rainbows and sunshine all the time and It may get very ugly. I think that was one of the things that helped because I went in knowing things were a clusterfuck in many ways...but again I thought well this is worth fighting for.
I wasn't under the impression that this was going to be happily ever after BUT I think because it all started as a friendship...I heard the truth and there was a place of honesty that wouldn't have happened if it had just started off trying to be a relationship because many people feel if they are too honest, then people will leave.
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50% of marriages in the West end in divorce...It's literally a flip of a coin or playing black Jack with your life...Most get married because of insecurity and afraid of being alone and/or knock someone up. There's a conspiracy going on where if someone is married, they feel everyone should be married. It's as if they want other people to fuck their lives up because they probably did...Too many of these people destroy their lives because of marriage...
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50% of marriages in the West end in divorce...It's literally a flip of a coin or playing black Jack with your life...Most get married because of insecurity and afraid of being alone and/or knock someone up. There's a conspiracy going on where if someone is married, they feel everyone should be married. It's as if they want other people to fuck their lives up because they probably did...Too many of these people destroy their lives because of marriage...
Great post Snoman.
May great posts in this thread.
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50% of marriages in the West end in divorce...It's literally a flip of a coin or playing black Jack with your life...Most get married because of insecurity and afraid of being alone and/or knock someone up. There's a conspiracy going on where if someone is married, they feel everyone should be married. It's as if they want other people to fuck their lives up because they probably did...Too many of these people destroy their lives because of marriage...
Funny but I agree with this post...especially in bold. I always tell people to take your time and don't feel like you need to do it because you're supposed to. People used to always pressure me about not being married. They were always the divorced, bitter, or miserable people. The people who made it work in their relationships told me not to rush into it.
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I think that has a lot to do with it. Many people do not know how to be in a healthy relationship or even what it looks like. If you don't know, then You've got to work at even learning what that's about. It's not going to be rainbows and sunshine all the time and It may get very ugly. I think that was one of the things that helped because I went in knowing things were a clusterfuck in many ways...but again I thought well this is worth fighting for.
I wasn't under the impression that this was going to be happily ever after BUT I think because it all started as a friendship...I heard the truth and there was a place of honesty that wouldn't have happened if it had just started off trying to be a relationship because many people feel if they are too honest, then people will leave.
Absolutely. I could go on and on about what we went through. My father in law died of stomach cancer and never even got to see us get married. That's just the beginning.
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Absolutely. I could go on and on about what we went through. My father in law died of stomach cancer and never even got to see us get married. That's just the beginning.
are you divorced Ronnie?
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Bottom line is marriage isn't for everyone. All depends what you are looking for in life. Especially in this fucked up world.
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are you divorced Ronnie?
Married for 21 yrs to my 2nd wife.
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Married for 21 yrs to my 2nd wife.
Wow, congrats man. that is great. all the best to you.
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I've been warning you guys about marriage/divorce for years on this forum.
All you have to do is OBSERVE other men who are married... they are not very happy. When they get divorced their kids get taken away and they get financially ass-raped.
DON'T GET MARRIED... not now, not EVER.
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As i mentioned before...wife and I are DINKs. And i fuckin love it. Wife wants kids and its creating a strain as i dont really want them. The situation sucks
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As i mentioned before...wife and I are DINKs. And i fuckin love it. Wife wants kids and its creating a strain as i dont really want them. The situation sucks
Did you guys talk about that before and she just changed her mind.
I was upfront with wanting kiddies and if he didn't want a family, then he just wasn't right for me. Not a bad person we just wanted different things.
I think it's more brave to say you don't want kids and mean it, than people just doing it because they thibk that's what they are supposed to do. Lots of people have no business having children.
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Just going to say this. I was married to my first wife for barely 2 years. Got married to the wrong girl for the wrong reasons. Thank god I did not have a kid with her. It would have changed the whole dynamic and I most likely would have never met my 2nd wife.
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Did you guys talk about that before and she just changed her mind.
I was upfront with wanting kiddies and if he didn't want a family, then he just wasn't right for me. Not a bad person we just wanted different things.
I think it's more brave to say you don't want kids and mean it, than people just doing it because they thibk that's what they are supposed to do. Lots of people have no business having children.
We kind of knew this time would come. We talked about it and she was always not sure and now she is sure. Big part of the reason is she is an only child, lacking a normal relationship with her mom n dad, so she wants to begin her own family. I feel bad for her i really do, and see where she is coming from. I really want to give her the kid thing, i just dont really want that life style. Like all males i know, they all give in and have kids. I dont want to be another statistic though. Maybe at 35, 40, 45, etc I will...but now i dont. i love her, and id be pretty fucked up if we ended it. When she leaves for work or is gone for a few days, im definitely not my normal self...we do everything together. I dont think id do well alone and to be honest i do worry about being lonely. No real friends around me, solo work stuff, not much social life if any outside of marriage. She is sexy, and will bounce back quick. I dont think id do well as a single dude...i dont know, just kind of ranting now.
Do you know people who regretted not having kids?
I always hear "guys never want kids until they have them". Is that true for anyone?
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We kind of knew this time would come. We talked about it and she was always not sure and now she is sure. Big part of the reason is she is an only child, lacking a normal relationship with her mom n dad, so she wants to begin her own family. I feel bad for her i really do, and see where she is coming from. I really want to give her the kid thing, i just dont really want that life style. Like all males i know, they all give in and have kids. I dont want to be another statistic though. Maybe at 35, 40, 45, etc I will...but now i dont. i love her, and id be pretty fucked up if we ended it. When she leaves for work or is gone for a few days, im definitely not my normal self...we do everything together. I dont think id do well alone and to be honest i do worry about being lonely. No real friends around me, solo work stuff, not much social life if any outside of marriage. She is sexy, and will bounce back quick. I dont think id do well as a single dude...i dont know, just kind of ranting now.
The lost American male. What has that "other generation" done to their children?
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We kind of knew this time would come. We talked about it and she was always not sure and now she is sure. Big part of the reason is she is an only child, lacking a normal relationship with her mom n dad, so she wants to begin her own family. I feel bad for her i really do, and see where she is coming from. I really want to give her the kid thing, i just dont really want that life style. Like all males i know, they all give in and have kids. I dont want to be another statistic though. Maybe at 35, 40, 45, etc I will...but now i dont. i love her, and id be pretty fucked up if we ended it. When she leaves for work or is gone for a few days, im definitely not my normal self...we do everything together. I dont think id do well alone and to be honest i do worry about being lonely. No real friends around me, solo work stuff, not much social life if any outside of marriage. She is sexy, and will bounce back quick. I dont think id do well as a single dude...i dont know, just kind of ranting now.
How old are you? I did not want kids until I was in my 30's. I never wanted them in my 20's because I wanted to enjoy my life and freedom
Older and having kids is better at least in my experience. We actually know something to teach them and you are more established so setting up financially is better. Plus you've lived and done a lot of what you wanted so it's good to start the newest chapter. That was one of the big things that were in agreement right away.
Give yourself some time and talk it through
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Avoid having kids and only get married to a woman with an equal (or better) career.
THEN, if things go bad you both go your separate ways with no problems or hard feelings.
100% serious.
Some of us getbiggers have problems finding women who have equal or better careers than us.
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Avoid having kids and only get married to a woman with an equal (or better) career.
THEN, if things go bad you both go your separate ways with no problems or hard feelings.
100% serious.
Thanks man. Taking advice from you about marriage is like taking advice on human rights from Saudi Arabia.
http://usuncut.com/world/today-saudi-arabia-will-crucify-teenager-protesting-government/
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How old are you? I did not want kids until I was in my 30's. I never wanted them in my 20's because I wanted to enjoy my life and freedom
Older and having kids is better at least in my experience. We actually know something to teach them and you are more established so setting up financially is better. Plus you've lived and done a lot of what you wanted so it's good to start the newest chapter. That was one of the big things that were in agreement right away.
Give yourself some time and talk it through
Early thirties...same with wife. 30-32 range. We talkin about it, some arguments/threats which is making it turn kind of ugly. Im keeping a cool head though. Im a grass is always greener guy. Always been. I still feel like i have adventures and life to do. I dont think i got all that out of my system yet
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Early thirties...same with wife. 30-32 range. We talkin about it, some arguments/threats which is making it turn kind of ugly. Im keeping a cool head though. Im a grass is always greener guy. Always been. I still feel like i have adventures and life to do. I dont think i got all that out of my system yet
It's not the end of the world. And it's not like you can't find a baby sitter for the child(ren). Plus you can teach the little tikes something. Pass down the Falconate Knowledge of The Gods. Raising a young man or woman to be a leader in this world of followers.
Avoid having kids and only get married to a woman with an equal (or better) career.
THEN, if things go bad you both go your separate ways with no problems or hard feelings.
100% serious.
"Hey sorry things just aren't working out. Let's just shake hands and go our separate ways."
("Whelp, on to number XXX")
Have you ever thought that your thinking/judgement maybe skewed because you spend time around teenagers who may or may not come from divorced or single parent homes?
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Do you know people who regretted not having kids?
Yeah, me. Of course, not with any of the women I've known because, frankly, I grew to not be able to stand them.
"Yeah I want kids. Just not with you because you're such a misery." Turns out honesty isn't necessarily a firm foundation as advertised.
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"Hey sorry things just are working out. Let's just shake hands and go our separate ways."
("Whelp, on to number XXX")
Have you ever thought that your thinking/judgement maybe skewed because you spend time around teenagers who may or may not come from divorced or single parent homes?
Lol, the thought that Howards divorces all ended amicably is pretty interesting. Were the feelings mutual or was it just Howard thinking it ended well for him?
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Early thirties...same with wife. 30-32 range. We talkin about it, some arguments/threats which is making it turn kind of ugly. Im keeping a cool head though. Im a grass is always greener guy. Always been. I still feel like i have adventures and life to do. I dont think i got all that out of my system yet
For me I saw a lot of people have kids in their 20s and it was a mistake because they never did anything fun or got to live their own lives. They did it because they really had nothing more going on. I didn't want that to be my life but then when I was in my early 30s I saw people who had done nothing but climb the success ladder and now had nobody to share it with. They had stuff and money but no real connections. I didn't want that either so I was around your age when I realized I wanted kids.
I think it's important to also know you want kids with that person. Will they be a good parent? Do they even want to be a parent?
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For me I saw a lot of people have kids in their 20s and it was a mistake because they never did anything fun or got to live their own lives. They did it because they really had nothing more going on. I didn't want that to be my life but then when I was in my early 30s I saw people who had done nothing but climb the success ladder and now had nobody to share it with. They had stuff and money but no real connections. I didn't want that either so I was around your age when I realized I wanted kids.
I think it's important to also know you want kids with that person. Will they be a good parent? Do they even want to be a parent?
Thanks azure, nice to hear a diff opinion and not the usual angry male on here
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Avoid having kids and only get married to a woman with an equal (or better) career.THEN, if things go bad you both go your separate ways with no problems or hard feelings.
100% serious.
Lol, thats most getbiggers on the shelf unless being on welfare is a career.
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Thanks azure, nice to hear a diff opinion and not the usual angry male on here what I wanted to hear.
fixed, thank me later
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Early thirties...same with wife. 30-32 range. We talkin about it, some arguments/threats which is making it turn kind of ugly. Im keeping a cool head though. Im a grass is always greener guy. Always been. I still feel like i have adventures and life to do. I dont think i got all that out of my system yet
Look at it this way: The concept of "kids" is just a collection of genes you are carrying wanting to "get out" and replicate, nothing more. I'm 30, don't want kids at all, not sure if I ever will, I so fukkin love my life as it is, but guess what... this the last worry for me, I mean - life is short, don't take it too seriously, enjoy while you can, nothing matters at the end. Oh, and - earn fukkin money, this is what will save you in most cases down the road. Just stay away from drugs and alcohol, everything else, if you have money, will be better than most have, married or divorced. Don't fool yourself with everalsting happiness due to these around you (wife or kids), that won't happen. be responsible for your own happiness.
Hope this helps.
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After reading this topic, I almost feel guilty about being happily married for years already -- even with my philandering, that she is aware of.
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Thanks azure, nice to hear a diff opinion and not the usual angry male on here
No one is angry unless they get married, then divorced. We are talking about reality here. Some men will not listen and get married anyway. The bliss does not last and the money will eventually be drained from your pockets.
It's all about being careful and thoughtful about your life. Some people learn by observing others, some don't. Oh well.
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We kind of knew this time would come. We talked about it and she was always not sure and now she is sure. Big part of the reason is she is an only child, lacking a normal relationship with her mom n dad, so she wants to begin her own family. I feel bad for her i really do, and see where she is coming from. I really want to give her the kid thing, i just dont really want that life style. Like all males i know, they all give in and have kids. I dont want to be another statistic though. Maybe at 35, 40, 45, etc I will...but now i dont. i love her, and id be pretty fucked up if we ended it. When she leaves for work or is gone for a few days, im definitely not my normal self...we do everything together. I dont think id do well alone and to be honest i do worry about being lonely. No real friends around me, solo work stuff, not much social life if any outside of marriage. She is sexy, and will bounce back quick. I dont think id do well as a single dude...i dont know, just kind of ranting now.
Do you know people who regretted not having kids?
I always hear "guys never want kids until they have them". Is that true for anyone?
The fact that you're opening up on this topic to this collection of retards shows me you have bigger underlying problems than just being unsure about children.
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After reading this topic, I almost feel guilty about being happily married for years already -- even with my philandering, that she is aware of.
are you 100% sure you will never get divorced? curious because everyone that went thru a divorce at one point sounded just like ya
I do wish ya well, just asking
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are you 100% sure you will never get divorced? curious because everyone that went thru a divorce at one point sounded just like ya
I do wish ya well, just asking
A couple I know, oldr than me by about 10-12 years. When I was 20 they used to say "Don't wait too long. We got married at 25, very happy now (that was like 6 years after marriage). Fast forward 10 years - they cant stand each other (but mortgage keeping them together), seems like both went out of their mind in their own way and doesn't know why. Pretty sad to witness...
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How old are you? I did not want kids until I was in my 30's. I never wanted them in my 20's because I wanted to enjoy my life and freedom
Older and having kids is better at least in my experience. We actually know something to teach them and you are more established so setting up financially is better. Plus you've lived and done a lot of what you wanted so it's good to start the newest chapter. That was one of the big things that were in agreement right away.
Give yourself some time and talk it through
Same here, we were married for three years before we had kids. That time is so important to spend together and enjoy, because it certainly all changes when the kids come.
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Same here, we were married for three years before we had kids. That time is so important to spend together and enjoy, because it certainly all changes when the kids come.
So why did u have kids? It sounds like life sucks for you now by your post.
How did u know u wanted kids?
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So why did u have kids? It sounds like life sucks for you now by your post.
How did u know u wanted kids?
Humans, just like other animals, doesnt "want" shit, it is an automatic preprogrammed behaviour. The sooner you realise that your brain is a computer with a software to achieve certain tasks, the sooner you will be liberated.
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So why did u have kids? It sounds like life sucks for you now by your post.
How did u know u wanted kids?
Doesn't suck at all. Just changes.It's no longer all about you and your wife first. It's something you really have to experience to truly understand. You just can't be selfish and expect to be a good parent. My wife and I agreed we both wanted 2 kids, we discussed it before it happened. Didn't really plan it either, it pretty much just happened when we were as ready as you can be.
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Humans, just like other animals, doesnt "want" shit, it is an automatic preprogrammed behaviour. The sooner you realise that your brain is a computer with a software to achieve certain tasks, the sooner you will be liberated.
As i mentioned, im void of this computer chip you speak of. My wife has it though, which is creating the tension/problem. Im fine living in a shed in the woods and fishing every day. She needs the nice house, w kids, nice car thing. Ive never been like that
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As i mentioned, im void of this computer chip you speak of. My wife has it though, which is creating the tension/problem. Im fine living in a shed in the woods and fishing every day. She needs the nice house, wo kids, nice car thing. Ive never been like that
She watches too much reality TV.
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we shouldbtake into account that not everyone is good looking, social and generaly has many chances with opposite sex. When such a person finds something its most probably to take the risk andbseal the deal, it may be one of the rare chances to have regular sex.. Everything is relative in life. Different ppl may live in very different realities.
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She watches too much reality TV.
Nah, her mom/dad were very materialistic suburbanite yuppies...its semi-ingrained in her
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Is it possible to just up and move to thailand? If i end up divorced over this, i probably will do that.
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As i mentioned, im void of this computer chip you speak of. My wife has it though, which is creating the tension/problem. Im fine living in a shed in the woods and fishing every day. She needs the nice house, w kids, nice car thing. Ive never been like that
Men generaly just want sex/pussy, thats why most agree to have kids, to keep plowing that pussy.
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Is it possible to just up and move to thailand? If i end up divorced over this, i probably will do that.
Hit up Tim Sharky on FB, he will answer your questions regarding that. But no need for Thailand, you are way too young, can fuck limitless amount of chicks years to come..
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As i mentioned, im void of this computer chip you speak of. My wife has it though, which is creating the tension/problem. Im fine living in a shed in the woods and fishing every day. She needs the nice house, w kids, nice car thing. Ive never been like that
Sounds like you have a problem then. You think she is going to be happy and you are all she needs. Gotta make some compromises or it won't end well.
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Hit up Tim Sharky on FB, he will answer your questions regarding that. But no need for Thailand, you are way too young, can fuck limitless amount of chicks years to come..
Im likely not as good looking as you. Never had the aggression or comfortableness with myself to chase tail. Im awkward around women i find attractive. Women i think are ugly, i have no issues lol
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Sounds like you have a problem then. You think she is going to be happy and you are all she needs. Gotta make some compromises or it won't end well.
Those comprimises are all kids though. There is no other compromise. Its a yes or no decision
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I say this all the time, but any man dumb enough to get married in America deserves to be raked over the coals. By getting married you are forcing yourself into legal bondage.
10 years ago in my 20's, all of my friends were telling me how awesome marriage was and how happy they were. They got so pushy about it, they started trying to convince me it was a good idea.
Fast forward 10 years to today and about 75% of them are divorced, separated or living in hell.
All of them come over to my place on Sunday to watch football and to bitch about marriage.
Looks like I dodged that bullet!
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The irony is that the older you get, the more the ball moves to the man's court. When a woman is young and pretty, guys are always approaching her, but, once she gets to middle age, this stops.
Guys, get to make the first move. So, if you're a middle age guy who can handle some rejection, you can hit on as many women as you want. Even with a low batting average, you'll have success.
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Im likely not as good looking as you. Never had the aggression or comfortableness with myself to chase tail. Im awkward around women i find attractive. Women i think are ugly, i have no issues lol
Well then it MAY be an issue... or a challenge to accomplish, depends how u look at it. Good money would make you feel a lot more at ease too. Anyway, u may be one of these cases when it is worth considering various options if there are not many chances to get new tail..
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This is pretty good.
I wonder what the successful 45% are doing to keep it together?
They're probably not "successful" so much as they are being kept on Life Support by men who instinctively know that they'll be decimated by the Feminized family court system if they decided to end it. "Cheaper To Keep Her."
Of all the cases I've read about, this one really got to me:
http://henrymakow.com/2014/04/Ex-Wife-Removes-Husbands-Suicide-Note-from-Internet.html (http://henrymakow.com/2014/04/Ex-Wife-Removes-Husbands-Suicide-Note-from-Internet.html)
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Men generaly just want sex/pussy, thats why most agree to have kids, to keep plowing that pussy.
After about 6 months, sex with the same person gets tiresome.
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After about 6 months, sex with the same person gets tiresome.
Currently having it for over two years with a current gf, still very good. Id say maybe because Im on test, but had another which whom we were very compatible in sex, did not use hormones at that time, at over 4years sex was like from a good porn flick. The hardest part splitting for me was actually loosing these crazy fucking sessions lol..
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Currently having it for over two years with a current gf, still very good. Id say maybe because Im on test, but had another which whom we were very compatible in sex, did not use hormones at that time, at over 4years sex was like from a good porn flick. The hardest part splitting for me was actually loosing these crazy fucking sessions lol..
Then, you're an exception.
The rule is that the longer a couple is together, the less sex they have.
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Those comprimises are all kids though. There is no other compromise. Its a yes or no decision
Was there ever a discussion about this before you got married?
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Then, you're an exception.
The rule is that the longer a couple is together, the less sex they have.
I've definintely had an experience when sex got boring after a year. Compatibility of sex drives/preferences is very important in this case, critically important. Many divorces probably happen because one of the persons doesn't want sex anymore or not as often, while another still wants it, etc..
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are you 100% sure you will never get divorced? curious because everyone that went thru a divorce at one point sounded just like ya
I do wish ya well, just asking
Of course not. It's just funny to see the naysayers posit that they are the only rational ones, without realizing that other people make a different rational choice based on the same data but different desired outcomes. Granted, I seem to be unusual in that. B ut yes, I did consider divorce and the ramifications years before I married her, and came to the conclusion that the benefit outweighed the risk. I'm simply not that materialistic, so even if she took half I would not really care. Especially because, as most men forget to calculate, they by default take half (or more) during the marriage as well. So what would one truly lose?
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What benefit does marriage have?
Other than ownership and religious mumbojumbo?
There really is no point to it.
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After about 6 months, sex with the same person gets tiresome.
Then you're not doing it right or you're not working on your intimacy. Men who have had lots of sex with random chicks will tell you THAT gets old after a while. Having one woman who actually cares about you does not compare to women who just want to screw you bc they think they will get something out of it
I feel like men who have never experienced that think it's much better than it really is.
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Then you're not doing it right or you're not working on your intimacy. Men who have had lots of sex with random chicks will tell you THAT gets old after a while. Having one woman who actually cares about you does not compare to women who just want to screw you bc they think they will get something out of it
I feel like men who have never experienced that think it's much better than it really is.
If you have one - you want other, if you have other - you want first one.... and so it goes. Human nature.
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If you have one - you want other, if you have other - you want first one.... and so it goes. Human nature.
Grass is greener scenario.
It's crazy because these men who were able to get anyone they wanted will tell you it was fun for a while and then got old. They say it's much better to be with that one woman who loves you in spite of and you can be yourself with and enjoy sex without wondering what the motive is.
And guys if you want your lady to want it as much as you do, then you need to do your part. Make her feel beautiful and adored. you will get anytime and however you want it if you do that
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Grass is greener scenario.
It's crazy because these men who were able to get anyone they wanted will tell you it was fun for a while and then got old. They say it's much better to be with that one woman who loves you in spite of and you can be yourself with and enjoy sex without wondering what the motive is.
And guys if you want your lady to want it as much as you do, then you need to do your part. Make her feel beautiful and adored. you will get anytime and however you want it if you do that
Regarding grass is greener. I've had a great girl some years ago... personality, sex, everything was close to a very good match. Yet I thought that grass is greener on the other side, that and other stuff mad the relathionship run it's course. Guess what...... some years went by and I found out that.... grass may actually be a lot greener! lol :D If I stayed with her I'd have missed on so much even more mind blowing sex, different personalities, different experiences. Tho' it messes you up in some way... you become addicted to that change, whether it is every few months or every few years. Very hard to resists, esp. when you can and when you know the game well.
Good advice regarding making them "want it", but a natural sex drive must be present too.
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What benefit does marriage have?
Other than ownership and religious mumbojumbo?
There really is no point to it.
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I won't discuss the intricacies of our legal system, but you're wrong. There is a tax benefit to marrying, and for divorce proceedings it essentially makes no difference: long-time cohabitation is treated as a de facto marriage. So yes, upsides only.
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Great post!
I think some folks are "called" to have children and make loving, devoted parents.
Others , like me and my current wife are NOT meant to have kids, so we didn't .
The only ones with regrets are those that listened to others and didn't follow their own inner yearnings.
Bingo!
People should not do things because they feel that's what they SHOULD do.
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Great post!
I think some folks are "called" to have children and make loving, devoted parents.
Others , like me and my current wife are NOT meant to have kids, so we didn't .
The only ones with regrets are those that listened to others and didn't follow their own inner yearnings.
Absolutely!!!
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Then you're not doing it right or you're not working on your intimacy. Men who have had lots of sex with random chicks will tell you THAT gets old after a while. Having one woman who actually cares about you does not compare to women who just want to screw you bc they think they will get something out of it
I feel like men who have never experienced that think it's much better than it really is.
Boy, lots of "exceptions," here.
The studies and research show otherwise:
The frequency with which couples engage in sex is affected both by the partners' ages and by the duration of their relationship. In general, older couples have sex less frequently than younger couples. For example, sociologist Vaughn Call and colleagues (1995) surveyed over six thousand married people living in the United States and reported that sexual activity was highest among the youngest respondents (those ranging in age from nineteen to twenty-nine, who had sex approximately ten to twelve times per month), became progressively lower in older age groups (e.g., four to seven times a month among forty- and fifty-yearolds), and reached its nadir among respondents in their seventies (who engaged in intercourse with their spouses less than twice a month). The majority of studies also find that the longer couples have been married, the less often they have sex (Rao and DeMaris 1995; Samson et al. 1991). This decline may be greatest during the first year or the first few years of the relationship. For example, William James (1981) analyzed diaries kept by newlywed couples over the course of their first year of marriage. Couples reported having sex on seventeen or more occasions during their first month of married life; however, by the end of the year, their rate of intercourse had declined to approximately eight times a month.
Read more: Marital Sex - The Decline Of Sexual Frequency Over Time - Family, Couples, and Month - JRank Articles http://family.jrank.org/pages/1103/Marital-Sex-Decline-Sexual-Frequency-Over-Time.html#ixzz3n8wEzAYQ
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Boy, lots of "exceptions," here.
The studies and research show otherwise:
The frequency with which couples engage in sex is affected both by the partners' ages and by the duration of their relationship. In general, older couples have sex less frequently than younger couples. For example, sociologist Vaughn Call and colleagues (1995) surveyed over six thousand married people living in the United States and reported that sexual activity was highest among the youngest respondents (those ranging in age from nineteen to twenty-nine, who had sex approximately ten to twelve times per month), became progressively lower in older age groups (e.g., four to seven times a month among forty- and fifty-yearolds), and reached its nadir among respondents in their seventies (who engaged in intercourse with their spouses less than twice a month). The majority of studies also find that the longer couples have been married, the less often they have sex (Rao and DeMaris 1995; Samson et al. 1991). This decline may be greatest during the first year or the first few years of the relationship. For example, William James (1981) analyzed diaries kept by newlywed couples over the course of their first year of marriage. Couples reported having sex on seventeen or more occasions during their first month of married life; however, by the end of the year, their rate of intercourse had declined to approximately eight times a month.
Read more: Marital Sex - The Decline Of Sexual Frequency Over Time - Family, Couples, and Month - JRank Articles http://family.jrank.org/pages/1103/Marital-Sex-Decline-Sexual-Frequency-Over-Time.html#ixzz3n8wEzAYQ
That's true for most relationships. Most people are living miserable lives...You have the choice of whether you join them. I don't want to mislead anyone and make it sound like life is perfect because it isn't but I have found the majority of miserable people are that way because they did not live life on their own terms. They just allowed it to happen. Totally reactive. Just like you allow your sex life to fall off you can allow intimacy to grow in the relationship but you have to work at it.
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That's true for most relationships. Most people are living miserable lives...You have the choice of whether you join them. I don't want to mislead anyone and make it sound like life is perfect because it isn't but I have found the majority of miserable people are that way because they did not live life on their own terms. They just allowed it to happen. Totally reactive. Just like you allow your sex life to fall off you can allow intimacy to grow in the relationship but you have to work at it.
You know, it's possible that it's perfectly normal to get tired of having sex with the same person after awhile, whether you think so, or not.
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Grass is greener scenario.
It's crazy because these men who were able to get anyone they wanted will tell you it was fun for a while and then got old. They say it's much better to be with that one woman who loves you in spite of and you can be yourself with and enjoy sex without wondering what the motive is.
And guys if you want your lady to want it as much as you do, then you need to do your part. Make her feel beautiful and adored. you will get anytime and however you want it if you do that
So basically treat her like a princess and the man will get sex whenever he wants it?? Bullshit. That's the problem with women these days, every one of them thinks she is a princess and needs to be catered to all day and night. What exactly are they doing to make the man feel wanted? Nag and bitch at him constantly? Nothing is ever good enough no matter what the man does it seems. Social media and reality TV are a lot to blame for this. Almost every married couple I know are together so the man doesn't lose his ass if they divorce. I know maybe 1-2 couples that are truly happy, that's it. The rest are miserable, with kids, and wish they never got married, but they did so because that's "what you're supposed to do", or all their friends were getting married. Hey, the bride gets to be a princess for a day though, right? Suicide to get married, why not be single, date, have a girlfriend, and when one of the two people change, or no longer want to continue the relationship, then you go your separate ways without any piece of paper binding you together. In the end it is the children that suffer when they see two miserable parents that can't stand each other bound together legally. Then they grow up and repeat the same thing.
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I won't discuss the intricacies of our legal system, but you're wrong. There is a tax benefit to marrying
Excuse me? Have you lost your mind? Any tax benefits that the avg. person will have by being married will be eaten up by the costs associated with being and staying married. How can humans tell themselves such silly lies.
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Excuse me? Have you lost your mind? Any tax benefits that the avg. person will have by being married will be eaten up by the costs associated with being and staying married. How can humans tell themselves such silly lies.
Do please enlighten me. With numbers, please. A relationship in general influences financials, but where a marriage contract makes a difference is unclear to me. Or is your argument that one should never cohabitate, under any circumstance?
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So basically treat her like a princess and the man will get sex whenever he wants it?? Bullshit. That's the problem with women these days, every one of them thinks she is a princess and needs to be catered to all day and night. What exactly are they doing to make the man feel wanted? Nag and bitch at him constantly? Nothing is ever good enough no matter what the man does it seems. Social media and reality TV are a lot to blame for this. Almost every married couple I know are together so the man doesn't lose his ass if they divorce. I know maybe 1-2 couples that are truly happy, that's it. The rest are miserable, with kids, and wish they never got married, but they did so because that's "what you're supposed to do", or all their friends were getting married. Hey, the bride gets to be a princess for a day though, right? Suicide to get married, why not be single, date, have a girlfriend, and when one of the two people change, or no longer want to continue the relationship, then you go your separate ways without any piece of paper binding you together. In the end it is the children that suffer when they see two miserable parents that can't stand each other bound together legally. Then they grow up and repeat the same thing.
That's not what I said. I didn't say treat her like a princess. I said make her feel beautiful and adored. There is a difference and if you do that, then you will be surprised at what happens. That can turn even the most hardcore chick around. I can speak from first hand experience. When you are treated well then you WANT to treat the man in the same way. I never thought I would be the one acting like a housewife because that's not my nature but I was treated so well that I wanted to do it and that's the love language. It had nothing to do with gifts and all that nonsense just being treated well as a human being.
What you talk about is what I referred too earlier as immaturity on both sides. I know so many women who were terrible wives because all they thought about was the big fancy wedding and being treated like a princess after the wedding. They didn't realize that a marriage takes work. I've been to many six figure weddings that ended 2-3 years later because guess what money and sex weren't enough to sustain a relationship and of course the woman usually made out very well in these situations
As I said earlier in this thread, most of those women were golddiggers who had nothing going for themselves and everyone except the dumbass groom could see it a mile away. She was there pretending to be wife material all with dollar signs in her eyes. It's pathetic.
You don't HAVE to be miserable like everyone else. It's your choice and your life. I knew I didn't want that so I worked for years in getting to a place where my mindset changed. I didn't have delusions of grandeur or fantasies about happily ever after. Most women cannot say that.
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That's not what I said. I didn't say treat her like a princess. I said make her feel beautiful and adored. There is a difference and if you do that, then you will be surprised at what happens. That can turn even the most hardcore chick around. I can speak from first hand experience. When you are treated well then you WANT to treat the man in the same way. I never thought I would be the one acting like a housewife because that's not my nature but I was treated so well that I wanted to do it and that's the love language. It had nothing to do with gifts and all that nonsense just being treated well as a human being.
What you talk about is what I referred too earlier as immaturity on both sides. I know so many women who were terrible wives because all they thought about was the big fancy wedding and being treated like a princess after the wedding. They didn't realize that a marriage takes work. I've been to many six figure weddings that ended 2-3 years later because guess what money and sex weren't enough to sustain a relationship and of course the woman usually made out very well in these situations
As I said earlier in this thread, most of those women were golddiggers who had nothing going for themselves and everyone except the dumbass groom could see it a mile away. She was there pretending to be wife material all with dollar signs in her eyes. It's pathetic.
You don't HAVE to be miserable like everyone else. It's your choice and your life. I knew I didn't want that so I worked for years in getting to a place where my mindset changed. I didn't have delusions of grandeur or fantasies about happily ever after. Most women cannot say that.
Sadly today you are the exception not the rule.
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That's not what I said. I didn't say treat her like a princess. I said make her feel beautiful and adored. There is a difference and if you do that, then you will be surprised at what happens. That can turn even the most hardcore chick around. I can speak from first hand experience. When you are treated well then you WANT to treat the man in the same way. I never thought I would be the one acting like a housewife because that's not my nature but I was treated so well that I wanted to do it and that's the love language. It had nothing to do with gifts and all that nonsense just being treated well as a human being.
What you talk about is what I referred too earlier as immaturity on both sides. I know so many women who were terrible wives because all they thought about was the big fancy wedding and being treated like a princess after the wedding. They didn't realize that a marriage takes work. I've been to many six figure weddings that ended 2-3 years later because guess what money and sex weren't enough to sustain a relationship and of course the woman usually made out very well in these situations
As I said earlier in this thread, most of those women were golddiggers who had nothing going for themselves and everyone except the dumbass groom could see it a mile away. She was there pretending to be wife material all with dollar signs in her eyes. It's pathetic.
You don't HAVE to be miserable like everyone else. It's your choice and your life. I knew I didn't want that so I worked for years in getting to a place where my mindset changed. I didn't have delusions of grandeur or fantasies about happily ever after. Most women cannot say that.
Nice post. Fun to watch those lavish weddings. Wife and I signed at city hall for free, and the reception was a lunch at my sister's for 9 people. No need to impress girlfriends.
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That's not what I said. I didn't say treat her like a princess. I said make her feel beautiful and adored. There is a difference and if you do that, then you will be surprised at what happens. That can turn even the most hardcore chick around. I can speak from first hand experience. When you are treated well then you WANT to treat the man in the same way. I never thought I would be the one acting like a housewife because that's not my nature but I was treated so well that I wanted to do it and that's the love language. It had nothing to do with gifts and all that nonsense just being treated well as a human being.
What you talk about is what I referred too earlier as immaturity on both sides. I know so many women who were terrible wives because all they thought about was the big fancy wedding and being treated like a princess after the wedding. They didn't realize that a marriage takes work. I've been to many six figure weddings that ended 2-3 years later because guess what money and sex weren't enough to sustain a relationship and of course the woman usually made out very well in these situations
As I said earlier in this thread, most of those women were golddiggers who had nothing going for themselves and everyone except the dumbass groom could see it a mile away. She was there pretending to be wife material all with dollar signs in her eyes. It's pathetic.
You don't HAVE to be miserable like everyone else. It's your choice and your life. I knew I didn't want that so I worked for years in getting to a place where my mindset changed. I didn't have delusions of grandeur or fantasies about happily ever after. Most women cannot say that.
Good and sane thought process. Not many could relate tho'... Sadly.
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Boy, lots of "exceptions," here.
The studies and research show otherwise:
The frequency with which couples engage in sex is affected both by the partners' ages and by the duration of their relationship. In general, older couples have sex less frequently than younger couples. For example, sociologist Vaughn Call and colleagues (1995) surveyed over six thousand married people living in the United States and reported that sexual activity was highest among the youngest respondents (those ranging in age from nineteen to twenty-nine, who had sex approximately ten to twelve times per month), became progressively lower in older age groups (e.g., four to seven times a month among forty- and fifty-yearolds), and reached its nadir among respondents in their seventies (who engaged in intercourse with their spouses less than twice a month). The majority of studies also find that the longer couples have been married, the less often they have sex (Rao and DeMaris 1995; Samson et al. 1991). This decline may be greatest during the first year or the first few years of the relationship. For example, William James (1981) analyzed diaries kept by newlywed couples over the course of their first year of marriage. Couples reported having sex on seventeen or more occasions during their first month of married life; however, by the end of the year, their rate of intercourse had declined to approximately eight times a month.
Read more: Marital Sex - The Decline Of Sexual Frequency Over Time - Family, Couples, and Month - JRank Articles http://family.jrank.org/pages/1103/Marital-Sex-Decline-Sexual-Frequency-Over-Time.html#ixzz3n8wEzAYQ
That 1995 study was before Viagra and Cialis. And Sophia Loren is 80 yrs old, and still looks better than women 10-20 yrs younger than her. So, imagine some guy married to her when she was 65-70 yrs (Viagra was available in 1998).
Not saying that it is untrue, but I think that you should reference more recent studies to reflect the "Viagra Effect".
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Beats the cost of a good marriage counselor.
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That 1995 study was before Viagra and Cialis. And Sophia Loren is 80 yrs old, and still looks better than women 10-20 yrs younger than her. So, imagine some guy married to her when she was 65-70 yrs (Viagra was available in 1998).
Not saying that it is untrue, but I think that you should reference more recent studies to reflect the "Viagra Effect".
Dr. Ben Sobel: You know, you can take a pill for that.
Boss Paul Vitti: Nah, you start with the pills, the next thing you know you're putting in hydraulics. A hard-on should be achieved legitimately or it shouldn't be achieved at all.
Dr. Ben Sobel: Hmm, I think Mark Twain said that, didn't he?
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That's not what I said. I didn't say treat her like a princess. I said make her feel beautiful and adored. There is a difference and if you do that, then you will be surprised at what happens. That can turn even the most hardcore chick around. I can speak from first hand experience. When you are treated well then you WANT to treat the man in the same way. I never thought I would be the one acting like a housewife because that's not my nature but I was treated so well that I wanted to do it and that's the love language. It had nothing to do with gifts and all that nonsense just being treated well as a human being.
What you talk about is what I referred too earlier as immaturity on both sides. I know so many women who were terrible wives because all they thought about was the big fancy wedding and being treated like a princess after the wedding. They didn't realize that a marriage takes work. I've been to many six figure weddings that ended 2-3 years later because guess what money and sex weren't enough to sustain a relationship and of course the woman usually made out very well in these situations
As I said earlier in this thread, most of those women were golddiggers who had nothing going for themselves and everyone except the dumbass groom could see it a mile away. She was there pretending to be wife material all with dollar signs in her eyes. It's pathetic.
You don't HAVE to be miserable like everyone else. It's your choice and your life. I knew I didn't want that so I worked for years in getting to a place where my mindset changed. I didn't have delusions of grandeur or fantasies about happily ever after. Most women cannot say that.
You are definitely the exception not the rule. Most women act as if they are an innocent bystander in the relationship, and aren't willing to put any effort into anything. You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, as well as a good view point on this.
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You are definitely the exception not the rule. Most women act as if they are an innocent bystander in the relationship, and aren't willing to put any effort into anything. You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, as well as a good view point on this.
Thanks guys. You're absolutely right. Most women I have talked to treat their husbands/boyfriends like shit and then wonder why the relationship goes South. It's constantly nagging him, totally insecure, and only concerned about how "he's making me feel." They don't give two craps about the guy and what's going through his head.
They blame the guy for everything that's wrong and I'm like so you're not admitting to doing anything wrong??? That's your problem right there. It's never just one person's fault when the relationship goes South. When you stop paying attention to him and treat him like a child, then what do you think is going to happen?
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Regarding grass is greener. I've had a great girl some years ago... personality, sex, everything was close to a very good match. Yet I thought that grass is greener on the other side, that and other stuff mad the relathionship run it's course. Guess what...... some years went by and I found out that.... grass may actually be a lot greener! lol :D If I stayed with her I'd have missed on so much even more mind blowing sex, different personalities, different experiences. Tho' it messes you up in some way... you become addicted to that change, whether it is every few months or every few years. Very hard to resists, esp. when you can and when you know the game well.
Good advice regarding making them "want it", but a natural sex drive must be present too.
Need to see a pic of u man (no homo). Sounds like u dont have to try for sex at all...
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Another great post!
I'll just add that as a man you don't have to sit there and just "take it" from her.
Embrace the idea that it was YOUR choice to get involved with her, so you have the choice to leave her.
Ending a serious , romantic relationship is never easy and often results in serious emotional pain.
I don't drink booze or do any rec drugs , but getting divorced was always tough on me.
But very few good things come your way in life without some form of sacrifice.
For example, my 2nd wife, really wanted kids a few years after we got married. I never did and never changed on that. 18 months after our divorce we met at a gym. She had met a divorced guy with 2 young twin girls.
She showed me the pics and she loved being a mom to them. I took her hand and said ; " If we never got divorced you would never have had this experience as a mom." She smiled and said ; " Thank you"
Gay
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Need to see a pic of u man (no homo). Sounds like u dont have to try for sex at all...
I believe that looks is just a PART of it.
Honestly - never had issues with getting sex/females, now it became almost hilariously easy (I stay faithful to a great girl currently. It is hard I must admit.). Was a shy geek in my early teens tho', spent days behind a PC screen and reading books. later on I realized that I'm tall, that I get some interest from pretty attractive girls.. must be onto something. Started lifting (no drugs for many years, just obessive working out), started other activities, became very social (while still being the same geek inside), being a shy fella earlier - red lots of books, on human behavior too, at 20 was able to read females and generally was a lot more aware of how "relathionships" work than most guys my age, and circumstances were so that I usualy was around much older people from my early childhood, I started to "feel" like I'm more mature too. My first attempt of getting into a bed of a 25yo sexy girl was at 15yo, lol.. that was embarassing, she was like "Are you fukkin kidding me?". All that added up in some way over time.
In short - when I'm around females, I see opportunities, just like some people see opportunities for making money everywhere they go. Being jacked (now) helps too. But it's a mix I'd say, I just always had this kind of self confidence that if not this one, than another, but I will get good poon no matter what. When loosing one, while being depressed I have always been somewhat happy that now I will get a new one, maybe even better, at the same time, never too much down time. And it worked/s very well. Won't be posting any clear pics here, but I'm 6'1, ~235lb, around 10% bf.
With clothes on:
EDIT: PM'ed u a pic. It is not clear, but I'm generaly not comfortable of posting my pics online. I don't post much even on FB.
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the point of being married is to make kids and support them, hope this helps
your happiness should depend on how good the kids turn out
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the point of being married is to make kids and support them, hope this helps
your happiness should depend on how good the kids turn out
being married isnt a requirement to have children, and being married doesnt mean you can have children.
Being married is a ceremony and declaration to other people that you are a couple and helps with legalites if anything happens to one of you.