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Justice..no HR record.
Suspension in works for Bonds?
Chicago Tribune
March 8, 2006
Commissioner Bud Selig was worried enough about Barry Bonds' possible steroid use to arrange a meeting with him near the San Francisco Giants' training camp in the spring of 2004.
He was seeking to contain any possible damage to the sport as Bonds continued to move up the rankings of career home run hitters.
According to highly placed Major League Baseball sources, Selig extended a vague offer of leniency to Bonds if he had anything he wished to admit, including possible acts of perjury in his testimony to the BALCO grand jury. He told Bonds the consequences would be "much worse" if he professed innocence and later was revealed as a steroid user.
It appears they will be talking again.
This time it could be to discuss a possible suspension, which given Bonds' age and fragile knees could derail his run at Henry Aaron's record 755 home runs.
Bonds, who had told the grand jury he had never "knowingly" taken steroids, stuck to that story in his meeting with Selig in 2004, as he has consistently in his dealings with reporters. Yet suspicion since has stalked Bonds for two injury-plagued seasons and another 50 home runs, bringing him within six homers of Babe Ruth's 714 and 47 of Aaron's record.
During this time, MLB security officials have been "monitoring" the Bonds case, although top executives strongly denied they had begun a formal investigation when the New York Daily News reported that one was under way.
Bonds apparently has been clean in the three years MLB has tested players for steroids, but excerpts from an upcoming book, "Game of Shadows," painstakingly reported and researched by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters, document a pattern that began in 1999 and was in full swing in 2001 when Bonds hit a single-season record 73 home runs.
According to a close associate, Selig's initial response after reading the book excerpts in Sports Illustrated was: "Why am I not surprised now?"
The Chronicle's Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams have spent three years covering the story and gained access to a vast array of sources and records. Their reporting for the newspaper raised serious questions about Bonds' denials, but the picture of Bonds' steroid regimen painted in the book left many, including Selig, taken aback.
"It's even worse than I thought," he said, according to a source who had discussed the issue with him. "I'm very concerned."
Selig danced around a flurry of Bonds-related questions during a news conference before a World Baseball Classic game on Wednesday in Phoenix.
"I will review all the material that's relative in every way," Selig said. "And obviously, we've only seen parts of things. The book itself doesn't come out until the end of the month, but we'll review everything that there is to look at. And at some appropriate time, I'll have further comment."
Because Bonds has not tested positive or in any other way been in specific violation of baseball's tougher policy banning performance-enhancing substances, it is unclear whether MLB can discipline him as a result of the latest reporting.
But, according to a highly placed MLB source, Selig is considering a range of possible responses, including a suspension. While Selig is known for moving deliberately, the source said it is possible a ruling of some kind could be made before the Giants' opener April 3.
The Major League Baseball Players Association almost certainly would challenge a suspension, but an angry Selig seems to have little to lose, even if an arbitrator overturned his ruling.
He spoke often about "integrity" issues in baseball as a reason for a stronger steroids program before the penalty for a first-time offense was increased to 50 games last winter, and the lack of discipline for Bonds might raise the same integrity issues.
Little angers Selig more than the accusation that he and other MLB executives gave tacit approval to widespread steroid use after the strike that wiped out the 1994 World Series damaged baseball's popularity. In "Game of Shadows" Fainaru-Wada and Williams write the Giants have turned a blind eye toward Bonds. Selig might think he needs to act to show that someone is accountable.
Selig declined to discuss his powers in this case.
"[I will] determine that at the appropriate time," he said.
At the very least, it seems Selig could be forced to do what he previously had said he would not, attach some form of qualifier in the record books next to Bonds' name.
"Well, the fact of the matter is that … we have no empirical data before 2003," Selig said. "I've heard a lot of people make observations. I've even used the term McCarthyism in some great regard about people who without much evidence other than what they believe is anecdotal evidence say, well, this person did it or that person did it.
"I'm going to be very sensitive about all that because, after all, you're playing with people's lives and their reputations. You ought to be very careful. All of us ought to be careful. The commissioner certainly is going to be careful."
Selig then was asked if there is now more evidence than there had been when he previously had said there wasn't enough to discredit Bonds.
"Again, I'm not in a position to make that judgment," he said.
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Oh well. Then so be it. As a Giants fan, this is very embarrasing.
Sad thing is, Bonds will now pay for what MANY were doing. He was not the only one cheating. Like I said, now he will be crucified by the media, given that he has always been such a prick.
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pumpster you're a fag
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Willy the dick idol, stalker.
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If Selig tried to suspend Bonds based on rumor,innuendo,taped conversations and speculation,Major League baseball would get their rear end sued off.THERE WAS NO RULE BANNING STEROIDS!!!!!Therefore Bonds broke no rules of the game.Untill they have a failed drug test Selig can do NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Except that the documentation has Bonds on these cocktails after MBL banned some of those drugs.
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With the new book coming out...where are these facts coming from? A snitch or Bonds himself
One has to think these facts are true as it seems that Bonds is taking no legal recourse to stop the printing of this book...
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Most of these "facts" are just reprinted material thats been out for the last couple of years.The main people quoted in the book are Bond' ex-mistress,Victor Conte and Gregg Anderson.Anderson and Conte[convicted felons] are quoted from wire taps and taped phone conversations.NONE of this would stand up in court.Conte has said publically that he NEVER gave Bonds STEROIDS,how would the jury believe anything that came out of his mouth.Remember this.Both Conte and Anderson could have reduced their jail sentances to nothing if they wanted to flip on Bonds,neither did.Selig and major league baseball has no proof Bonds has done anything knowingly.Here is a guarantee.Unless Bonds has a failed drug test NOTHING will happen to him.He will break Babe Ruths record and retire after the season without breaking Aarons.
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Most of these "facts" are just reprinted material thats been out for the last couple of years.The main people quoted in the book are Bond' ex-mistress,Victor Conte and Gregg Anderson.Anderson and Conte[convicted felons] are quoted from wire taps and taped phone conversations.NONE of this would stand up in court.Conte has said publically that he NEVER gave Bonds STEROIDS,how would the jury believe anything that came out of his mouth.Remember this.Both Conte and Anderson could have reduced their jail sentances to nothing if they wanted to flip on Bonds,neither did.Selig and major league baseball has no proof Bonds has done anything knowingly.Here is a guarantee.Unless Bonds has a failed drug test NOTHING will happen to him.He will break Babe Ruths record and retire after the season without breaking Aarons.
I agree, at this point the thing Bonds wants more than anything is to pass Ruth. Bonds has no respect for Ruth because he didn't play against blacks and because Bonds hates the white man anyway.
I think he's smart enough to know that no one including MLB wants him to pass Aaron and he will retire at the end of this season 15-25 HR's short of Aaron's record.
As far as MLB or the Giants penalizing him it won't happen. As reprehensible as he is the Giants knew all along what he was doing, they even let his drug guru's have the run of the team's workout facilities even though the Giants own training staff didn't want them there.
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Anderson and Conte[convicted felons] are quoted from wire taps and taped phone conversations.NONE of this would stand up in court.
Um...yes, it would stand up in court. How in the hell do you finally think they finally nabbed John Gotti? They had been going after him for years and they finally busted him on wiretaps.
Conte has said publically that he NEVER gave Bonds STEROIDS,how would the jury believe anything that came out of his mouth.Remember this.
Oh, he publicly denied it; what a shock. And Gotti said for years he never had anybody killed. What's your point?
Both Conte and Anderson could have reduced their jail sentances to nothing if they wanted to flip on Bonds,neither did.
Maybe they're just decent enough guys that they didn't want to throw him under the bus, too. That or perhaps they were scared of the repercussions if they did turn on him. There could be a number of reason why they didn't flip. The point is, just because they didn't "go canary" on him doesn't mean he didn't do it.
Here is a guarantee.Unless Bonds has a failed drug test NOTHING will happen to him.He will break Babe Ruths record and retire after the season without breaking Aarons.
Wrong again. If those wiretaps do exist and they are admitted in court the Federal Grand Jury that he appeared before during the "steroid hearings" will nail him hard on perjury. He may not be disciplined by the MLB, but I'd be a lot more worried about conviction by the federal government than a professional sports league.
The matter of the wiretaps is not whether they would stand up in court. It's a matter of whether they'd be admitted or not (wiretaps are always a question of privacy invasion). If they are allowed, however, you can bet your ass they'll do everything they can to get Bonds for perjury and make an example of him.
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:-X
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have you seen the size of his freakin skull?
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Of course it would stand up in court, wake up. It's all in very detailed drug administration schedules kept for each client, thanks to Bonds' mania to exceed McGwire by ramping up from his own drug dealer to Balco. Balco's detailed files were readily provided to investigators, as were parallel files provided by Bonds' original trainer/drug source. From these files the reporters did the rest.
There are also taped admissions.
Those files will also prove that he lied in court.
Because it's all very detailed, dated and names names, the commissioner will have a firm basis for suspending Bonds given that he was on a huge cocktail of drugs after some of those drugs were illegal to use in baseball.
Do the reading instead of speculating.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/index.html
Drug use documentation:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth.doc0313/
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Wrong again. If those wiretaps do exist and they are admitted in court the Federal Grand Jury that he appeared before during the "steroid hearings" will nail him hard on perjury. He may not be disciplined by the MLB, but I'd be a lot more worried about conviction by the federal government than a professional sports league.
The matter of the wiretaps is not whether they would stand up in court. It's a matter of whether they'd be admitted or not (wiretaps are always a question of privacy invasion). If they are allowed, however, you can bet your ass they'll do everything they can to get Bonds for perjury and make an example of him.
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Unles they Have Bonds on tape, nothing happens.
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Wrong again, do the reading. Stop obsessing on tape, it's only part of a mountain of evidence.
They have his detailed drug protocols from two different sources, as well as payment and testing information, as well as various witnesses. The baseball commish is now saying that he didn't realize the extent of the doping and thinks that it would be the basis for a suspension.
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Didn't I say unless?????????
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You sound like one of his lawyers. He's done. Couldn't happen to a nicer A-hole. Most of the evidence was generated by his mania to exceed the "white boy".
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Of course it would stand up in court, wake up. It's all in very detailed drug administration schedules kept for each client, thanks to Bonds' mania to exceed McGwire by ramping up from his own drug dealer to Balco. Balco's detailed files were readily provided to investigators, as were parallel files provided by Bonds' original trainer/drug source. From these files the reporters did the rest.
There are also taped admissions.
Those files will also prove that he lied in court.
Because it's all very detailed, dated and names names, the commissioner will have a firm basis for suspending Bonds given that he was on a huge cocktail of drugs after some of those drugs were illegal to use in baseball.
Do the reading instead of speculating.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/index.html
Drug use documentation:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth.doc0313/
Holy shit, I didn't even know about the paper evidence (from the second link):
"• Documents
At Anderson's apartment, investigators found steroids, growth hormone and $60,000 in cash, along with a folder that contained doping calendars and other documents detailing Bonds's use of steroids. Prosecutors questioned Bonds about the documents during his appearance before the grand jury. Some document entries reflect payments for drugs for Bonds: $1,500 for two boxes of growth hormone; $450 for a bottle of Depotestosterone; $100 for 100 Clomiphene pills; $200 for the Cream and the Clear. Other entries reflect Bonds's drug cycle: For February 2002, a calendar showed alternating days of the Cream, the Clear and growth hormone followed by "Clow," or Clomid.
A document labeled "BLB 2003" listed cities where the Giants played away games in 2003, with notations for the use of growth hormone, the Clear, the Cream and insulin on specific days. Other documents associated with Bonds referred to the use of trenbolone and "beans," the Mexican steroid. At Anderson's apartment, and in a search of BALCO's trash, the agents also found evidence of Bonds's blood being sent to drug labs for steroid testing."
Nevermind the wiretaps, if this stuff exists he doesn't stand a chance...
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You sound like one of his lawyers.
I know, right? :D Some people just absolutely won't believe it no matter how much evidence they're presented with. "Barry Bonds is a hero, he would never do something like that!" I don't know why some people are so defensive of him.
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cheater
and that's why bodybuilding isnt a sport because cheating is allowed
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My question is who really gives a fuck? We all knew he was on, and he's an asshole so.....
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This information has been out for two freaking years and guess what?Nothing has happened and nothing will happen.I will say this.I do think the IRS will go after Bonds soon in a tax evasion charge.However, as far as baseball goes ,they are going to hold their nose and hopes this whole thing goes away.
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This information has been out for two freaking years and guess what?Nothing has happened and nothing will happen.
It takes a long time to put a case together, especially for the federal government. Sometimes trials can drag on for years, even over a decade in some instances.
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Bonds's physical changes during this time were consistent with steroid use. His hair fell out, and he began shaving his head. Perhaps it was her imagination, but the head itself seemed to be getting larger, and the plates of his skull bones stood out in bold relief. Bonds's back broke out in acne, and he would stand in front of the bathroom mirror and say, "Oh, my God, I don't know where this is coming from." Bonds also suffered sexual dysfunction, another common side effect of steroid use.
Bonds became more quick-tempered. When his anger at Bell flared now, he would grab her, stand close to her and whisper intimidating, hurtful things. He insisted on knowing where she was at every hour of the day or night. If he couldn't find her, he would become enraged, and he told her he would kill her if he found she was seeing someone else. Her social life evaporated. He called her so many times at work that her boss began to complain. And his rages became increasingly violent.
Bell used a telephone answering machine with a tape cassette; when one tape filled up, she'd toss it in a drawer and put in a new one. She began saving the voice mails after a few bleak occasions on which Bonds threatened to kill her, remarking that if she disappeared, no one would be able to prove he even knew her. The messages showed the trajectory of their nine years together.
As the government would learn, Bonds and his inner circle hadn't been so discreet about his use of performance-enhancing drugs. By the time Bonds was subpoenaed before the BALCO grand jury, more than a dozen people either had been told directly that he was using banned drugs, had seen him using the drugs with their own eyes, or had been provided with information that made the conclusion he was doping inescapable.
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People defend him because he is taking the fall for a whole league.MANY guys were using steroids,yet somehow Bonds is paying the entire price because he is better then EVERYBODY else.Also,I dont think he is an a-hole.I love it that there is at least one athlete who tells the media where to stick it and I also love it that he doesnt think he owes me,as a fan,anything but to produce.I dont ned an athlete to shake my hand or give me a picture.I want them to produce on the field and he does it better then everyoneLastly,using steroids is only cheating if there is a rule against it and while he used ,there was no rule.
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People defend him because he is taking the fall for a whole league.MANY guys were using steroids,yet somehow Bonds is paying the entire price because he is better then EVERYBODY else.Also,I dont think he is an a-hole.I love it that there is at least one athlete who tells the media where to stick it and I also love it that he doesnt think he owes me,as a fan,anything but to produce.I dont ned an athlete to shake my hand or give me a picture.I want them to produce on the field and he does it better then everyoneLastly,using steroids is only cheating if there is a rule against it and while he used ,there was no rule.
so say you
there are rules about honor and integrity that are not expressed but clearly understood.
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You must think no one's an A-Hole. Keepin it real and ignoring the press are one thing, he was much more of a creep than just ignoring the press would suggest. She's got him on tape with death threats.
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People defend him because he is taking the fall for a whole league.MANY guys were using steroids,yet somehow Bonds is paying the entire price because he is better then EVERYBODY else.Also,I dont think he is an a-hole.I love it that there is at least one athlete who tells the media where to stick it and I also love it that he doesnt think he owes me,as a fan,anything but to produce.I dont ned an athlete to shake my hand or give me a picture.I want them to produce on the field and he does it better then everyoneLastly,using steroids is only cheating if there is a rule against it and while he used ,there was no rule.
Wow, that rationale is almost sad. Are you black? If not do you want to be black?
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cheater
and that's why bodybuilding isnt a sport because cheating is allowed
It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. It's called a fair and level playing field.
Some of you people are way too easily brainwashed by the media. ::)
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It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. It's called a fair and level playing field.
Some of you people are way too easily brainwashed by the media. ::)
we're talking about baseball
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Am I black?I dont even get the question.I will say this.Where is your outrage over McGuire?It seems like you guys are a lot more angry about Bonds BECAUSE hes black.Listen,Im VERY pro steroids.I think the government has MUCH more important things to do then worry about guys trying to build some muscle.How about if they tried to keep some child molesters behind bars so we dont have to see the same guys get out only to commit crime after crime and rape and kill more kids.
I hate the media.When I see little pudgy goofballs on television like Jay Marriotti of Around The Horn,a guy who couldnt play jv ball for his high school,ripping Bonds ,I want to puke.They are idiots who dont know the first thing about sports or steroids,yet they pass themselves off as experts.
When I go to work,I dont feel the need to shake peoples hands[unless I want to]or speak to everyone,why should Barry Bonds be obligated to do so,especially when that same fan was probably ripping him just a few minutes before.Athletes are paid to perform.Fans think they are entitled to an autograph or hand shake and they arent.
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It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. It's called a fair and level playing field.
Some of you people are way too easily brainwashed by the media.
Where's your proof that everyone's doing it? It's not a fair playing field if some aren't using.
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the only thing ive heard on tape is a guy giving a bitch money and a house and taking care of her triffling ass. never does barry talk about steroids. always a ho in the alley.
Wrong again. If those wiretaps do exist and they are admitted in court the Federal Grand Jury that he appeared before during the "steroid hearings" will nail him hard on perjury. He may not be disciplined by the MLB, but I'd be a lot more worried about conviction by the federal government than a professional sports league.
The matter of the wiretaps is not whether they would stand up in court. It's a matter of whether they'd be admitted or not (wiretaps are always a question of privacy invasion). If they are allowed, however, you can bet your ass they'll do everything they can to get Bonds for perjury and make an example of him.
Unles they Have Bonds on tape, nothing happens.
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Am I black?I dont even get the question.I will say this.Where is your outrage over McGuire?It seems like you guys are a lot more angry about Bonds BECAUSE hes black.Listen,Im VERY pro steroids.I think the government has MUCH more important things to do then worry about guys trying to build some muscle.How about if they tried to keep some child molesters behind bars so we dont have to see the same guys get out only to commit crime after crime and rape and kill more kids.
I hate the media.When I see little pudgy goofballs on television like Jay Marriotti of Around The Horn,a guy who couldnt play jv ball for his high school,ripping Bonds ,I want to puke.They are idiots who dont know the first thing about sports or steroids,yet they pass themselves off as experts.
When I go to work,I dont feel the need to shake peoples hands[unless I want to]or speak to everyone,why should Barry Bonds be obligated to do so,especially when that same fan was probably ripping him just a few minutes before.Athletes are paid to perform.Fans think they are entitled to an autograph or hand shake and they arent.
he should be boo'd at every game
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Am I black?I dont even get the question.I will say this.Where is your outrage over McGuire?It seems like you guys are a lot more angry about Bonds BECAUSE hes black.Listen,Im VERY pro steroids.I think the government has MUCH more important things to do then worry about guys trying to build some muscle.How about if they tried to keep some child molesters behind bars so we dont have to see the same guys get out only to commit crime after crime and rape and kill more kids.
I hate the media.When I see little pudgy goofballs on television like Jay Marriotti of Around The Horn,a guy who couldnt play jv ball for his high school,ripping Bonds ,I want to puke.They are idiots who dont know the first thing about sports or steroids,yet they pass themselves off as experts.
When I go to work,I dont feel the need to shake peoples hands[unless I want to]or speak to everyone,why should Barry Bonds be obligated to do so,especially when that same fan was probably ripping him just a few minutes before.Athletes are paid to perform.Fans think they are entitled to an autograph or hand shake and they arent.
Your point about McGwire isn't valid because he is no longer playing, hasn't played for quite a few years and there is no detailed information regarding his usage that we know about. When the book comes out detailing all of McGwire's steroid use and no one is up in arms over it then you can ask where the furor over McGwire is. For the record I think McGwire was juiced and that his records are as phony as Bonds' are.
As for relating to Bonds because you don't like to shake people's hands when you go to work, well that's just comical. I don't know what you do for a living but part of being a MLB player, and especially one that makes $18 million a year before endorsements, autograph sessions and licensing merchandise is counted is being somewhat of an ambassador to the game. Especially when you factor in that Bonds had a ball park built for him, it was designed specifically for him.
I also find it interesting that you don't think Bonds' fans are entitled to an autograph. Are they entitled to one if they pay for one? He seems to earn a ton of money from autograph sessions are those fans not entitled to an autograph or a handshake? Or is he only obligated to be civil to the fans that have allowed him to have a collective yearly income in the $20 million range when they are directly handing over their money?
Your agenda with Bonds seems to be based more on race than his actual actions.
Are you black? If not, do you want to be black or do you empathize with black men?
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Im white.No,I dont want to be black,Im happy with what Iam.Bonds is the greatest player to play in the last twenty years and was long before he used a steroid.He has given me plenty of thrills over the years.You see,I dont look to an athlete to be a good guy or a nice guy or anything but what he is and thats a great athlete.My favorite athletes are Iverson and Carmello Anthony in basketball,Bonds and Giambi in baseball,and Ray Lewis in football.I dont care what they do off the field.Im not interested in their personal life and I certainly dont care if they use steroids.This is a bodybuilding site,Im AMAZED that there are anti-steroid people here.Hey,heres a clue EVERY single pro bodybuilder is taking something.Perhaps you guys should look to another sport if your looking for clean athletes[although I dont know where that is].Im only interested in how a pro athlete entertains me,not if hes a pillar of our society.
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OJ's looking better & better. :D
Bonds is so warped that even his ridiculous lifestyle hasn't mitigated his warped bitterness. I have a feeling he's built a bubble around him filled with yes men. In fact it's mentioned that he's obnoxious to everyone who is forced to work with him.
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Im white.No,I dont want to be black,Im happy with what Iam.Bonds is the greatest player to play in the last twenty years and was long before he used a steroid.He has given me plenty of thrills over the years.You see,I dont look to an athlete to be a good guy or a nice guy or anything but what he is and thats a great athlete.My favorite athletes are Iverson and Carmello Anthony in basketball,Bonds and Giambi in baseball,and Ray Lewis in football.I dont care what they do off the field.Im not interested in their personal life and I certainly dont care if they use steroids.This is a bodybuilding site,Im AMAZED that there are anti-steroid people here.Hey,heres a clue EVERY single pro bodybuilder is taking something.Perhaps you guys should look to another sport if your looking for clean athletes[although I dont know where that is].Im only interested in how a pro athlete entertains me,not if hes a pillar of our society.
Hey, here's a clue, Bonds isn't a bodybuilder. It's interesting that your two favorite baseball players are the two most disgraced steroid users in all of MLB. I take it you don't care much about integrity.
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Im white.No,I dont want to be black,Im happy with what Iam.Bonds is the greatest player to play in the last twenty years and was long before he used a steroid.He has given me plenty of thrills over the years.You see,I dont look to an athlete to be a good guy or a nice guy or anything but what he is and thats a great athlete.My favorite athletes are Iverson and Carmello Anthony in basketball,Bonds and Giambi in baseball,and Ray Lewis in football.I dont care what they do off the field.Im not interested in their personal life and I certainly dont care if they use steroids.This is a bodybuilding site,Im AMAZED that there are anti-steroid people here.Hey,heres a clue EVERY single pro bodybuilder is taking something.Perhaps you guys should look to another sport if your looking for clean athletes[although I dont know where that is].Im only interested in how a pro athlete entertains me,not if hes a pillar of our society.
YEs yes. I don't care if Bonds sticks his wife's head in the toilet and fvcks her in the ass. just Keep hittin them homers, you black bastard.
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I will say this.Where is your outrage over McGuire?
Why should there be an outrage over McGuire? His career ended long before steriods were tested in the MLB so it's a not an issue, It was legal then (in MLB). He did however admit to using Andro and if he was using more he kept it quiet. Palmiero, Caminetti, Bonds and however gets busted next are all after they started testing in 2002.
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Why should there be an outrage over McGuire? His career ended long before steriods were tested in the MLB so it's a not an issue, It was legal then (in MLB). He did however admit to using Andro and if he was using more he kept it quiet. Palmiero, Caminetti, Bonds and however gets busted next are all after they started testing in 2002.
Please. talk about a double standard. Mgwire juicing OK, Bonds juicing not OK? Steroids have been illegal since 82. major league baseball started testing last year.
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No double standard, they started testing AFTER he retired, the other guy's still playing. Huge difference, except to you!
Also a big difference that McQwire was never an overtly obnoxious A-hole!
The attempted analogy's like night & day. Figure it out.
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Im white.No,I dont want to be black,Im happy with what Iam.Bonds is the greatest player to play in the last twenty years and was long before he used a steroid.He has given me plenty of thrills over the years.You see,I dont look to an athlete to be a good guy or a nice guy or anything but what he is and thats a great athlete.My favorite athletes are Iverson and Carmello Anthony in basketball,Bonds and Giambi in baseball,and Ray Lewis in football.I dont care what they do off the field.Im not interested in their personal life and I certainly dont care if they use steroids.This is a bodybuilding site,Im AMAZED that there are anti-steroid people here.Hey,heres a clue EVERY single pro bodybuilder is taking something.Perhaps you guys should look to another sport if your looking for clean athletes[although I dont know where that is].Im only interested in how a pro athlete entertains me,not if hes a pillar of our society.
I think YOU'RE the one who should get a clue. I am a pro bodybuilder. A pro NATURAL bodybuilder in 3 organizations. Why should I look to another sport (as you put it) when I'm successful and love what I do without ever having touched steroids or its precusors?
Your suggestion that I should be pro streroids even though I have never touched anabolics and am drug tested, makes no logical sense whatsoever.
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Please. talk about a double standard. Mgwire juicing OK, Bonds juicing not OK? Steroids have been illegal since 82. major league baseball started testing last year.
No double standard, Mark retired in 1998. MLB started testing in 2002, they didn't start handing down suspensions and fines until 2005.
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this sucks I want him to break the records :-\
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this sucks I want him to break the records
It's ok, you're the same guy who actually thought the Steelers deserved to win the Super Bowl. ::)
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It's ok, you're the same guy who actually thought the Steelers deserved to win the Super Bowl. ::)
LOL
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It's ok, you're the same guy who actually thought the Steelers deserved to win the Super Bowl. ::)
yeah why would they deserve it all they did was score more points than the Seahawks ::)
read the rule book assclown
then first 6 seed to make it to the super bowl and win it, it's great to be a steeler fan ;D
damn that Lombardi trophy is so shiny and beautiful :D
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Hey crazywheels,I was talking about the real pro bodybuilders in the IFBB,you know the ones that are in the magazines.Sorry,I should have been more exact.
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YEs yes. I don't care if Bonds sticks his wife's head in the toilet and fvcks her in the ass. just Keep hittin them homers, you black bastard.
LOL
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Anyone else enjoying the Barry "up my dosage" Bonds train wreck?
All that's needed to complete the stereotype is large pieces of gold jewelry & a ghetto mobile. ;)
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People dont like him because he is a racist prick and you can ship that one. So, of course the population at large is going to want him to burn for this. The fact is everyone knew he, McGuire and Sosa were juiced to the gills, but they were at least somewhat friendly (McGuire especially) to the fans and the media. So, Barry dug his own grave on this one, say hello to one big asterisk on his "record" if he ever gets it, which I hope he doesnt. He is one of those athletes that did not even need to think about juicing, when he was clean, he was the best player of the 90's, and even a chance to be the greatest ever along with Griffey. He let is childish jealousies and hatred take over, and now here we are.
--> and as he was qouted in Ron Kittles autobiography about signing a ball and some cards to be sold to raise money for a foundation for kids with cancer....."I don't sign no balls for no white kids" Bravo you stupid fuck, bravo.
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Bonds, Sosa, Palmiero, Pudge Rodrigez, Caminitti, McGuire, Jaun Gonzalez, Brady Anderson, Nomar Garciapara, Brett Boone, Canseco. All were users. McGuire lost a lot of respect because of the dumb shit he said at the hearings. Palmiero was crucified for his lying. Now its bonds turn. Its not a race issue. bonds is taking the brunt of it because he never learned how to tactfull. If he treated people fairly the heat on him would be MUCH less.
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Big Mac friendly?Come on.Talk about revisionist history.The guy was totally aloof throughout his career and only warmed up because he saw HOW sOSA WAS.Mac was a very standoffish guy for his entire playing career.I liked him a lot but come on,please be acurate.
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McWire seems aloof and unfriendly, but doesn't make the skin crawl like mr. sunshine.
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Big Mac friendly?Come on.Talk about revisionist history.The guy was totally aloof throughout his career and only warmed up because he saw HOW sOSA WAS.Mac was a very standoffish guy for his entire playing career.I liked him a lot but come on,please be acurate.
I've known Mark for quite a while, he lived in my neighborhood and I trained him for about a year right after he retired and always treated people around him with respect. My guess is that he had to deal with the press so much throughout his career he just got turned off by being mobbed by the press and fans. But I can tell you he's always been very friendly to me and my son!
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i hate bonds.guy is a bastard. hope he gets benched all year.just staying around to chase records like that other d-bag emmit smith.
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Emmitt Smith's almost as obnoxious. :P
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No double standard, they started testing AFTER he retired, the other guy's still playing. Huge difference, except to you!
Also a big difference that McQwire was never an overtly obnoxious A-hole!
The attempted analogy's like night & day. Figure it out.
If that's the case, why didn't Mcgwire just come clean at the hearings? According to you he's done nothing wrong. Because it's not true. Steroids have been a contolled substance for 20+ years and it's illegal to take them. He was breaking the law. Add to that the fact that taking steroids is considered being the worst kind of cheater there is. And really...what does someone's demeanor have to do with anything? They are both equally culpable for their actions.
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You're just rambling in circles. It all makes sense actually.
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You're just rambling in circles. It all makes sense actually.
This from a person who's stance is "Mcgwire's nice and Barry's a meanie." and you assail my logic. Monster intellect!!!
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"I never dreamed it would come to this." - Barry Bonds
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Oh my God,are there still people who believe Alzado died from steroid use?DO SOME FREAKING RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!By the way,Bonds isnt hanging around to break records,he won the MVP two years ago and was hurt last year[by the way he hit 5 homers in 14 games].He knows the Giants have a real shot of winning this year,thats why he is playing.
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Oh my God,are there still people who believe Alzado died from steroid use?DO SOME FREAKING RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!By the way,Bonds isnt hanging around to break records,he won the MVP two years ago and was hurt last year[by the way he hit 5 homers in 14 games].He knows the Giants have a real shot of winning this year,thats why he is playing.
The Giants are going to suck.
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That's a new one-Barry's coming back to help his team? ???
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That's a new one-Barry's coming back to help his team? ???
the boo's are just beginning and the applausers are in denial
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I believe, in a month or so, no one will even talk/chat about this subject again until "the media" brings it up again and again and again and again. Like they always have in the past.
Everything we see or hear now on tv's, radio..etc is all smut. Why? Because smut sells, gets attention, gets people amped up about something or someone all for the mighty $$$$$. These 2 reports care nothing about the integrity of "The Game." or "HR records"..etc! It's all about $$$$ and cents. Why not take down a jerk (Barry in this case) along the way to making $$$$. 99% of the stuff "mentioned" in this so-called book is information we (public) have already known for years now. Why should we care now if we didn't 2 yrs ago. What's the difference now? Did everyone forget this happened? Has anyone NOT been on earth the past 2-3 yrs?
Fact of the matter is this guy DID take roids. It's obvious. The ? is, why is everyone acting like he is the only person on earth that has taken steroids and played pro ball? He basically told the grand jury "hey, I was given stuff, didn't know what it was, didn't even ask most of the time, cream, clear, whatever, I took it,won't do it again....roll the dice and investigate me if you don't like that answer." .......they did....it's over! But now.... "this book" has "NEW" info that the grand jury didn't have access to right?...O.k Now we GOT HIM!....SURE! .....remember it's all about $$$$$$$.
And Bud Selig, of all people, that hand puppet has absolutely no leg to stand on in this matter. He looked like a damn fool in front of congress when he was put on the spot about his weak a$$ drug testing policy that basically allowed the very thing that apparently "saved" baseball (most abused) in the late 90's early 2k "STEROIDS" to slip through the cracks.
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He knows the Giants have a real shot of winning this year,thats why he is playing.
Do you still believe in the toothfairy? How about the Easter Bunny? Do you still leave cookies and milk out for Santa?
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I believe, in a month or so, no one will even talk/chat about this subject again until "the media" brings it up again and again and again and again. Like they always have in the past.
Too simplistic; it's not going away because of a mixture of Barry "up my dose" Bonds' continually ANNOYING persona, his ongoing pursuit of baseball's most revered individual record and the trickling of his ridiculously elaborate drug scheme.
All of those things mixed together grate on people, aside from the press.
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"up my dose" bonds - LMAO ;D
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Oh my God,are there still people who believe Alzado died from steroid use?DO SOME FREAKING RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!By the way,Bonds isnt hanging around to break records,he won the MVP two years ago and was hurt last year[by the way he hit 5 homers in 14 games].He knows the Giants have a real shot of winning this year,thats why he is playing.
And 18 million dollars
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I believe, in a month or so, no one will even talk/chat about this subject again until "the media" brings it up again and again and again and again. Like they always have in the past.
Everything we see or hear now on tv's, radio..etc is all smut. Why? Because smut sells, gets attention, gets people amped up about something or someone all for the mighty $$$$$. These 2 reports care nothing about the integrity of "The Game." or "HR records"..etc! It's all about $$$$ and cents. Why not take down a jerk (Barry in this case) along the way to making $$$$. 99% of the stuff "mentioned" in this so-called book is information we (public) have already known for years now. Why should we care now if we didn't 2 yrs ago. What's the difference now? Did everyone forget this happened? Has anyone NOT been on earth the past 2-3 yrs?
Fact of the matter is this guy DID take roids. It's obvious. The ? is, why is everyone acting like he is the only person on earth that has taken steroids and played pro ball? He basically told the grand jury "hey, I was given stuff, didn't know what it was, didn't even ask most of the time, cream, clear, whatever, I took it,won't do it again....roll the dice and investigate me if you don't like that answer." .......they did....it's over! But now.... "this book" has "NEW" info that the grand jury didn't have access to right?...O.k Now we GOT HIM!....SURE! .....remember it's all about $$$$$$$.
And Bud Selig, of all people, that hand puppet has absolutely no leg to stand on in this matter. He looked like a damn fool in front of congress when he was put on the spot about his weak a$$ drug testing policy that basically allowed the very thing that apparently "saved" baseball (most abused) in the late 90's early 2k "STEROIDS" to slip through the cracks.
Yup. Barry Bonds took steroids.
TRENBOLONE!!!! TEST PROP!!!!!!! DECA -DURABOLIN!!!!! HGH!!!!!! INSULIN!!!!!
That's called taking steroids.
Nothing new here.
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Bonds' elbabarate drug scheme?Not sure whats elaberate about his steroid use compared to anyone elses.In fact,with whats been leaked out from the book ,it looks like normal steroid usage,nothing more,nothing less.As far as the Giants sucking this year,you must be a Dodger fan.
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Straighten out the facts in your own mind-it's definitely an elaborate drug scheme for anyone other than a BB/drug fanatic like you, given that all Bonds has previously mentioned was the use of creams that he applied and a couple of pills popped, supposedly not knowing what they were for.
Which is exactly why the baseball commissioner said he had no idea the extend of the doping schedule until now, and upon his further review, might suspend Barry "up the dosage" Bonds' ass.
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Too simplistic; it's not going away because of a mixture of Barry "up my dose" Bonds' continually ANNOYING persona, his ongoing pursuit of baseball's most revered individual record and the trickling of his ridiculously elaborate drug scheme.
All of those things mixed together grate on people, aside from the press.
yes spring training started up yesterday and at giants game lots of boo's were noticed and that was just at the first preseason game.
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please remember that these are all just allegations against Barry at this time, when the truth comes out everybody will learn that Barry was only supplementing with flaxseed oil.
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Bonds is a momma's boy homo that probably never got his ass whooped by his daddy for lying when he stole candy or cheated at Toss Across. So he got away with this shit all of his life and thought he had fooled everybody about being a big fake
That's the problem...not so much that he did all the crap we know he did (although that's bad enough)...but that he won't stand up like a man and admit that he took steroids, that he lied in the past about taking them.
and he pulled a McGwire....bringing his son to spring training to use him as a deterant from obsessive fans and press...pussy
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.......Where is your outrage over McGuire?It seems like you guys are a lot more angry about Bonds BECAUSE hes black.Listen,Im VERY pro steroids.
I hate the media.When I see little pudgy goofballs on television like Jay Marriotti of Around The Horn,a guy who couldnt play jv ball for his high school,ripping Bonds ,I want to puke.They are idiots who dont know the first thing about sports or steroids,yet they pass themselves off as experts.
When I go to work,I dont feel the need to shake peoples hands[unless I want to]or speak to everyone,why should Barry Bonds be obligated to do so,especially when that same fan was probably ripping him just a few minutes before.Athletes are paid to perform.Fans think they are entitled to an autograph or hand shake and they arent.
I think anyone who uses steroids to become the new KING of their sports is a fuckin wad. That list includes alot more guys than Bonds....the only one who has really stood up and took his lumps and went back to do greta in the game was Giambi. I have respect for the guy and he probably never even need to use steroids in the first place!!
But now Bonds is complaining about his injuries ...whahahahahwahahahaha. ..like a damn infant.
He can'[t take the pressure and now his body is breaking down off of the juice...the main thing I want to say is
Bye Bye Barry BONDS
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The very fact that Bond' body is breaking down because of age and that steroids were extending his career is the perfect reason why steroids are needed in sports.Why should age end peoples careers when there is a way around the effects of it.Why should guys have to call it quits at 37 when if they use drugs they could play untill they are 45?Why would you guys want to see guys like Clemons or Griffey or any of these stars retire because of old age when if they cycled steroids they could extend their careers.
The guy who said Bonds was a mamas boy is probably too young to remember Bobby Bonds.Barrys father.He was a bad ass and Im sure he didnt let his son get away with anything,in the same way he didnt allow reporters or teams get away with anything.
Lastly,from what I have read ,Giambi was taking the same stuff Bonds was taking.Will he be suspended as well?Will Shefield?Or is it only Bonds.When the investigation begins, will it include Roger Clemmons, a 42 year old man who arguably had his best year last year?I find it amazing that guys dont know why Bonds would lie.Have you seen what are government is about?Only a fool would admit to breaking the law with those idiots in power.By the way Giambi admitted NOTHING!!!Read exactly what he said.Never once did he say "sorry I took steroids".He is smarter then that.
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yes spring training started up yesterday and at giants game lots of boo's were noticed and that was just at the first preseason game.
The Giants play here in Scottsdale, AZ.
You have to keep in mind that this area is about as conservative as you can get. This is Bush country......not only do they not like blacks in this area, but not one as loud as Barry Bonds. Of course they will boo him due to this controversy.
I've lived here for 15 years.......I know this area, the people, this is nothing new.
Barry Bonds starred at Arizona State University, yet people here don't like the guy.......amazing. Only in Phoenix.
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By the way Giambi admitted NOTHING!!!Read exactly what he said.Never once did he say "sorry I took steroids".He is smarter then that.
Giambi admitted to a federal grand jury in 2003 that he took steroids and hgh. Then he tearfully apologized to his Yankee teammates, fans and to Steinbrenner without saying why he was apologizing. ha ha ha
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Barry Bonds starred at Arizona State University, yet people here don't like the guy.......amazing. Only in Phoenix.
There's precious little to like actually, no surprise that they'd dislike him. Performance isn't the only factor. The guy's gone out of his way to be a piece of shit, and that didn't start all of a sudden. I like the part about putting his hands around the girlfriend, then later informing rather than asking her that she'd have to disappear.
Those personality defficiencies might've been exacerbated over time, but were always there. Funny thing about it, he was always middle class, a lot of his hatred's hand-me-down attitudes from others rather than direct experience, making his indignation all the more absurd and inappropriate.
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There's precious little to like actually, no surprise that they'd dislike him. Performance isn't the only factor. The guy's gone out of his way to be a piece of shit, and that didn't start all of a sudden. I like the part about putting his hands around the girlfriend, then later informing rather than asking her that she'd have to disappear.
Those personality defficiencies might've been exacerbated over time, but were always there. Funny thing about it, he was always middle class, a lot of his hatred's hand-me-down attitudes from others rather than direct experience, making his indignation all the more absurd and inappropriate.
There's no doubt that he's an asshole, but honestly, so am I; so naturally I can sympathize with him. If I was him I'd be the same way with the media, after all, they are only out for themselves and their own agendas. I'd also use AAS, but probably earlier in my career. I don't think it matters whether he grew up middleclass, so did I, but that doesn't mean I haven't suffered discrimination to some degree.
Racism has no class distinction. If you can't understand that, then you are probably white.
All in all, I see this as the meda trying to sensationalize one man simply because he doesn't play "the game" of politics. He says what he wants, does what he wants. He's a man, not a politician.
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If i can't understand that, I'm probably...ahhh, the cheezy race card evoked when all else fails. ::)
Whatever you do, don't try to talk down to others about racism. ECONOMICS is at least as important as racism. Those in middle-class environments like Bonds was do in fact generally have less to complain about. Racism is exercised by ALL races.
Maybe it's not just the press sensationalizing him as much as him being such an ass that it's extremely easy, almost effortless to write about him. There's no excuse for his bitterness; he's clearly operating in a hermetically sealed, self-created bubble.
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Whatever you do, don't try to talk down to others about racism. No. 1 factor is ECONOMICS, not racism. Through in the fact that racism is exercised by ALL races, and it's all a little more balanced.
Maybe it's not just the press sensationalizing him as much as him being such an ass that they make it easy to write about him. There's no excuse for his bitterness; he's clearly operating in a hermetically sealed bubble, which is part of the problem.
I'm not talking down to anyone. I'm a minority so I can speak on it with some sense of experience. Can you?
Yes, everyone is discriminatory to some degree. Balanced? I'm not sure about all that, it's not a judgement you can make.
Of course he seals himself off, he doesn't trust people's intentions for the most part. Again, I am the same way, so I can relate. What you choose to see as "asshole", I see as his way of surviving within the parameters of the profession he's chosen. In other words, he chooses his own fate.
He balls in his space. How many other people can do that? Clearly he's not out to be Mr. Popularity, so what does it matter?
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He's clearly developed a SYNDROME-a one-dimensional solution in which everyone else is wrong. If he was self-aware, he would try to deal with it and take some responsibility himself instead of being defensive.
In fact, anyone with any degree of flexibilty would see now after all this, that there might be a problem and start a process of emotional self-examination. He doesn't seem to have the depth to try.
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Big Mac friendly?Come on.Talk about revisionist history.The guy was totally aloof throughout his career and only warmed up because he saw HOW sOSA WAS.Mac was a very standoffish guy for his entire playing career.I liked him a lot but come on,please be acurate.
McGuire is on record as doing tons of charity work.
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He's clearly developed a SYNDROME-a one-dimensional solution in which everyone else is wrong. If he was self-aware, he would try to deal with it and take some responsibility himself instead of being defensive.
In fact, anyone with any degree of flexibilty would see now after all this, that there might be a problem and start a process of emotional self-examination. He doesn't seem to have the depth to try.
I don't think it's a matter of "lack of depth" but rather the lack of caring that is a factor here. He doesn't seem interested in seeking the enlightened perspective that you tout so heavily here.
He's an intelligent guy, so I'd have to reason that he just doesn't care what other people think. Wouldn't you say that's an accurate assessment?
It's certainly not hurting him financially.
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Does anyone want to be so indifferent that entering the rarefied pariah category alongside Pete Rose, OJ and our very own Louie Ferrigno is acceptible? Shouldn't he care somewhat on how this is perceived by moderating the harshness? Dressing like a woman was probably a clumsy attempt but too little too late.
It seems just like testosterone overload to let it get this far out of hand.
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did Barry grow up only "middle class," being the son of a major league star? (even if baseball salaries weren't as astronomical then as they are now)
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Does anyone want to be so indifferent that entering the rarefied pariah category alongside Pete Rose, OJ and our very own Louie Ferrigno is acceptible? Shouldn't he care somewhat on how this is perceived by moderating the harshness? Dressing like a woman was probably a clumsy attempt but too little too late.
It seems just like testosterone overload to let it get this far out of hand.
What is with all of this psychobabble ? The guy is a bit of a prick, so what. It seems like you give a shit more than he does.
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I'm here for the whole season fellas, feel free to ask me any questions.....
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I'm here for the whole season fellas, feel free to ask me any questions.....
^Stop hoggin' the Trenbolone you slut! >:(
Stick to "the clear", THG, HGH and Insulin.....
Leave Tren for those of us who lift heavier weight.....
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Stop hoggin' the Trenbolone you slut!
Stick to "the clear", THG, HGH and Insulin.....
Leave Tren for those of us who lift heavier weight.....
Div,
You want me to jump I'll jump. I've NEVER failed a MLB drug test. as for the above mentioned substances I have no idea as to what you're reffering to. All I want to do is play ball and enjoy the winding down of my career.
-B.B.
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You want me to jump I'll jump. I've NEVER failed a MLB drug test. as for the above mentioned substances I have no idea as to what you're reffering to. All I want to do is play ball and enjoy the winding down of my career.
-B.B.
I know you've taken that Tren, nugga.
Don't try to front on me.
Tren is for us, the people who lift, you can use Winstrol or Anavar.....
Stop hoggin' the Tren! >:(
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I know you've taken that Tren, nugga.
Don't try to front on me.
Tren is for us, the people who lift, you can use Winstrol or Anavar.....
Stop hoggin' the Tren!
You can have whatever you want, I'm off to bp.....
-B.B
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F*** Bonds, he is a racist A-Hole who needs to just go away!
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F*** Bonds, he is a racist A-Hole who needs to just go away!
What did Bonds do that was racist?
Why should he go away?
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Here's a news flash for all the pansies who don't like Bonds:
There are nice people and not-nice people in this world. The not-nice people are allowed to have jobs too.
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Here's a news flash for all the pansies who don't like Bonds:
There are nice people and not-nice people in this world. The not-nice people are allowed to have jobs too.
True. >:(
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Why should there be an outrage over McGuire? His career ended long before steroids were tested in the MLB so it's a not an issue, It was legal then (in MLB). He did however admit to using Andro and if he was using more he kept it quiet. Palmiero, Caminetti, Bonds and however gets busted next are all after they started testing in 2002.
It is an issue.
McGwire's recent testimony in front of congress was a disgrace. The guy committed perjury and should be punished. It is not fair to the Roger Maris record (which is still the real record).
Steroids for athletic enhancement are illegal in the USA. This alone makes it illegal in oakland and st. Louis organisations. I don't think you need a rule in the MLB saying you can't commit murder on the field.
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What did Bonds do that was racist?
Why should he go away?
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He is quoted by another major leaguer that he wouldn't sign an autograph for a sick white kid.
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He is quoted by another major leaguer that he wouldn't sign an autograph for a sick white kid.
For the 500th time So What. Where is it written you have to be a nice guy to play ball? Ty Cobb was one of the meanest sonofabitches on the face of the earth and he is a legend.
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There's no doubt that he's an asshole, but honestly, so am I; so naturally I can sympathize with him
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Are you proud of the fact your an asshole? I mean seriously? So it gives Bond's and you or anybody else license to treat people like shit? Thats the definition of being an asshole. The crux of the matter is Bond's has fueled all this animosity against him his whole career as a major leaguer by being a dick. If he had acted as a gentlemen or showed even a smidgen of class during his career like a Don Mattingly, a Cal Ripken, a Tony Gwynn people wouldn't be out to crucify him over this steroid issue.
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Steroids for athletic enhancement are illegal in the USA.
ha ha only on a bodybuilding board does the obvious need to be stated
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The guy who said Bonds was a mamas boy is probably too young to remember Bobby Bonds.Barrys father.He was a bad ass and Im sure he didnt let his son get away with anything,in the same way he didnt allow reporters or teams get away with anything.
That would be me and ....Barry's Pop didn't beat him hard enough...Bonds is a mamma's boy....whining and trying to blame the press for shit when all they want is the truth. But Barry doesn't like the spotlight shined on him cause then he'd have to stand up like a man and admit the truth....
And it's not that barry's an asshole ...which he is...it's that he's a puss
Barry "WAAAH WAAH" Bonds
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And again, to get more insight into Barry Bonds, there are a few good nuggets of info in Ron Kittle's autobiography "Tales from the White Sox Dugout". He pretty much calls Bonds out for being a racist prick. And yes, he did try to get a ball signed for a sick white boy and Bonds did repsond with "I dont sign no balls for no white kids". You think majorites can only show racism to minorities and not the other way around?...well than, you must be black.
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The press wants the truth?When has the media EVER wanted the truth.This is the same press that killed Ben Johnson but NEVER once said a thing about Carl Lewis' failed drug tests.This is a press ,who for years loved Kirby Puckett,but when they found out he beat his wife and was a sexual predator,turned on him,then when he died they fell back in love with him.This is a press that has idiots like Jim Rome in it and Jay Marrioti,two of the biggest jerkoffs in history.The press hates Bonds because Bonds doesnt dance like some trained negro for them.You see when they say "jump Barry",unlike a guy like A-ROD who asks "how high master Jones",Bonds tells them to go scratch and they hate that.Bonds should continue worrying about himself and his family and let those nit wits in the media say whatever they want because at the end of the day ,just like the Sports Illustrated cover from a couple of years ago pointed out "IM BARRY BONDS,AND YOUR NOT".
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For the 500th time So What. Where is it written you have to be a nice guy to play ball? Ty Cobb was one of the meanest sonofabitches on the face of the earth and he is a legend.
Cobb hated his competitors on the playing field. Not terminally ill 10 year old cancer patients dude.
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I'm trying to fathom why someone would defend Bonds.
Nope, can't figure it out yet.
My two favorite Bonds defenses are the "he's an asshole but so am I" defense and the "he doesn't cater to the corrupt media so everyone hates him" defense. Both are highly thought out and rationally debated by their posters. Good job. If Bonds ever reads them I bet he'd approve.
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Why would I hate the greatest player of the past twenty years?Because the media tells me to?Because you tell me to?Sorry,I pick the guys I want to root for.I dont let the little sissys in the media like little Mike Lupica or Jim"I just got slapped to the ground by Jim Everett"Rhome, pick my guys for me.I certainly wouldnt stop rooting for someone because they used steroids and I certainly woulnt stop rooting for him because he didnt sign an autograph for some snotty nosed kid that probably just wants to turn around and sell it.Sorry,I root for guys who work hard and there is no one who works harder then Bonds.
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I read the whole article and came up with some conclusions to the matter...
1. Bonds was fueled by not only the homerun race but the MLB in satisfying the insatiable appetite for sluggin that came about in 1998
2. There were no laws in MLB at the time that said that Bonds wasnt allowed to take Steroids..
3. Therefore, his record stands
4. He is a peice of you know what, because he is selfish and a concietted a**- hole
5. If he does or doesnt, he ruined what would of been a great career up until the time he took the steroids.
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Why would I hate the greatest player of the past twenty years?Because the media tells me to?Because you tell me to?Sorry,I pick the guys I want to root for.I don't let the little sissys in the media like little Mike Lupica or Jim"I just got slapped to the ground by Jim Everett"Rhome, pick my guys for me.I certainly wouldnt stop rooting for someone because they used steroids and I certainly woulnt stop rooting for him because he didnt sign an autograph for some snotty nosed kid that probably just wants to turn around and sell it.Sorry,I root for guys who work hard and there is no one who works harder then Bonds.
You can't be an adult, either you're 15-17 or your local school system needs to be upgraded.
My favorite quote in your little missive is "there is no one who works harder then Bonds."
Are you serious? He's notorious for not hustling on defense. In fact watching him play defense one gets the impression he simply doesn't care. Oh, and he doesn't exactly hustle it out down the base paths lately either.
Or how about his lack of work this Spring Training? He shows up at the park when he wants, takes three at-bats and then leaves the park with his entourage.
Face the facts, all he cares about now is passing Ruth and in the future getting to 3000 hits. He doesn't care about winning and he certainly doesn't care about his teammates. In fact I would bet he doesn't care about anyone other than himself, his family included.
Your worship of Bonds is delusional.
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I read the whole article and came up with some conclusions to the matter...
1. Bonds was fueled by not only the homerun race but the MLB in satisfying the insatiable appetite for sluggin that came about in 1998
2. There were no laws in MLB at the time that said that Bonds wasnt allowed to take Steroids..
3. Therefore, his record stands
5. If he does or doesnt, he ruined what would of been a great career up until the time he took the steroids.
ASININE interpretations:
1/In NO way did MLB fuel or support Bonds' frenzied jealousies. That was entirely on him, as you've confirmed in point 5-he already had a great career. NO ONE but his own ego was telling him that he had to exceed McGwire.
2/ There were laws in place DURING his drug intake, and there's NO sign that he stopped, which you've conviently ignored.
3/ Therefore, your flawed conclusions do not stand.
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For the 500th time So What. Where is it written you have to be a nice guy to play ball? Ty Cobb was one of the meanest sonofabitches on the face of the earth and he is a legend.
I knew Ty Cobb. I played with Ty Cobb. Ty Cobb was a friend of mine. Barry Bonds, you are no Ty Cobb.
Special "Quayle Hunter" Ed
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1. MLB drug policy let McGuire and Sosa hit home runs... there fore your an idiot
2. Ask bud selig what he said, no laws were broken there fore your still an idiot
3. Therefore pumpster once again nobody care what you think
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Your jumps in logic are frightening.
Bonds went crazy with a bodybuilder's drug protocol entirely thanks to his all-consuming EGO and JEALOUSY of the attention McGwire got-did you really read the whole article? No one other than him thought it necessary to do what he did, he was already great. No one was tugging on his sleeve complaining that he wasn't McGwire.
It was his FRENZY & JEALOUSLY that got him-if he hadn't escalated his original drug protocol by jumping to BALCO nothing likely would've ever come out.
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Well if you want to ignore the leagues lack of initiative, plus the General Manager's and Giants Owners turning their back on Bond's mutation ..then you are correct..
Hey Bonds did become a frenzied roid head, and still is but dont forget the people who give him the stage and $$$ to become such a monster..
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Im sure management and baseball wasnt thinking hey ... all these people come to the games to see the guys hit homers...lets make sure they are not on steroids....
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Barry Bonds doesnt work hard on defense?What an ahole!!The guy has won 8 freaking golden gloves!!!!Thats 8 golden gloves!!!!!Funny,that a guy who doesnt play defense can fool people into giving him gold gloves.This spring he is trying to rehab his knee.Do you know ANYTHING about being injured??Im sure you dont or you wouldnt question Bonds' work ethic.His workouts are legend and YES NO ONE WORKS harder in the off season!!!Thats how he was able to build his body into a 73,700+ home run hitting machine.Wake up!!!!Listen,try and do some research before you post stupid ass comments.The guy has won 7 MVPs 4 more then anyone else in history.They dont hand those out to guys that dont play defense.As guys get older,their defensive skills diminish.
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I'm trying to fathom why someone would defend Bonds.
Nope, can't figure it out yet.
My two favorite Bonds defenses are the "he's an asshole but so am I" defense and the "he doesn't cater to the corrupt media so everyone hates him" defense. Both are highly thought out and rationally debated by their posters. Good job. If Bonds ever reads them I bet he'd approve.
Weren't they posts by a so called "moderator" too?
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Your jumps in logic are frightening.
Bonds went crazy with a bodybuilder's drug protocol entirely thanks to his all-consuming EGO and JEALOUSY of the attention McGwire got-did you really read the whole article? No one other than him thought it necessary to do what he did, he was already great. No one was tugging on his sleeve complaining that he wasn't McGwire.
It was his FRENZY & JEALOUSLY that got him-if he hadn't escalated his original drug protocol by jumping to BALCO nothing likely would've ever come out.
And why was Mcgwire getting all that attention? because he was juicing BEFORE Bonds was. I don't know if he was using a "bodybuilder's drug protocol" like bonds was, he was doing "nice" steroids not the "bad" kind like Bonds. And he took steroids for charity. Not selfish,egotistical reasons.
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And again, to get more insight into Barry Bonds, there are a few good nuggets of info in Ron Kittle's autobiography "Tales from the White Sox Dugout". He pretty much calls Bonds out for being a racist prick. And yes, he did try to get a ball signed for a sick white boy and Bonds did repsond with "I dont sign no balls for no white kids". You think majorites can only show racism to minorities and not the other way around?...well than, you must be black.
lots of colored people read this website.
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And why was Mcgwire getting all that attention? because he was juicing BEFORE Bonds was. I don't know if he was using a "bodybuilder's drug protocol" like bonds was, he was doing "nice" steroids not the "bad" kind like Bonds. And he took steroids for charity. Not selfish,egotistical reasons.
Yes McGuire was a steroid using phoney too. The difference is Barry Bonds from 1986 on has went out of his way to alienate fans, opposing players, teamates, it seems even his own employees and people in his personal life. he is a VERY hard guy to root for. Thats why he and the liar Palmiero are really catching shit. the guys who came clean like Giambi, Canseco, Caminiti didn't catch nearly the heat as Bond's.
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Yes McGuire was a steroid using phoney too. The difference is Barry Bonds from 1986 on has went out of his way to alienate fans, opposing players, teamates, it seems even his own employees and people in his personal life. he is a VERY hard guy to root for. Thats why he and the liar Palmiero are really catching shit. the guys who came clean like Giambi, Canseco, Caminiti didn't catch nearly the heat as Bond's.
Agreed. Where you and I differ is to me it is meaningless that Bonds is an asshole. Is he more guilty of juicing because he's a douche? that's ludicrous.
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Ya, he IS more guilty-of being a turd in the court of public opinion. Steroid guilt is almost secondary now.
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Barry Bonds doesnt work hard on defense?What an ahole!!The guy has won 8 freaking golden gloves!!!!Thats 8 golden gloves!!!!!Funny,that a guy who doesnt play defense can fool people into giving him gold gloves.This spring he is trying to rehab his knee.Do you know ANYTHING about being injured??Im sure you dont or you wouldnt question Bonds' work ethic.His workouts are legend and YES NO ONE WORKS harder in the off season!!!Thats how he was able to build his body into a 73,700+ home run hitting machine.Wake up!!!!Listen,try and do some research before you post stupid ass comments.The guy has won 7 MVPs 4 more then anyone else in history.They dont hand those out to guys that dont play defense.As guys get older,their defensive skills diminish.
At this point I pity you. It's sad, but also funny.
Here is a quote from Pete Rose on Barry Bonds, just for your viewing pleasure.
"It will take him two more years and he will have to be lucky in terms of no injuries...but how is he going to get hurt? He only trots. He doesn't play defense anymore, he can't throw, and he can't run. How's he going to get hurt? How's he going to pull a muscle?"
--Rose, on Barry Bonds' chances of breaking Hank Aaron's all-time home runs record
And here is the link, it's from Baseball Prospectus, maybe you've heard of it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3479 (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3479)
Let me type this really slow so you can understand it. Bonds won 4 of his MVP's AFTER he started juicing. Get it? After he chemically enhanced himself.
Oh, and shock of all shockers Bonds hasn't won a Gold Glove since 1998. Gee, I wonder if that's when he started juicing?
Perhaps you should take a little of your own advice and do a little research and learn exact facts before you start spewing your idiocy.
Bonds WAS (as in past tense) the best player in the MLB along with Junior Griffey. Those days are long gone, all he cares about now is offense.
Please don't stop posting your moronic posts though, it is entertaining in the extreme to see you put your 3rd grade rationale to work.
One last point, why is he rehabbing his knee when it was rehabbed last year? Didn't he return last season? Why does the knee need to be rehabbed again?
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When Rose can criticize, you're basically at the bottom of the barrel.. :D
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His knee is NOT 100%,thats why he is rehabbing it.Let me ask you this.Bernie Williams of the Yankees was once one of,if not THE best fefensive fielder in the American league.How many gold gloves has he won recently[in fact he will almost exclusively dh this year].Griffey junior was one of if not the best outfielders in baseball as well,he hasnt won a gold glove in years.As guys get older,they slow down and can no longer make the plays they used to.Why would I expect a 36-41 year old man to be as effective in the outfield as he was when he was twenty five?Bonds is a hitter now,as most aging guys are,hence why so many become DHs at the end of their career.Again,Bonds won three MVPs BEFORE steroids.Please list the many guys that won more then that.You can argue untill your blue in the face,Bonds is the greatest baseball player over the last twenty years,steroids or no steroids....Ive had three knee operations[Im rehabbing from a pattellat tendon rupture and broken knee cap now]so please,dont tell me about the length of time for rehabbing,especially after a seroius infection.
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His knee is NOT 100%,thats why he is rehabbing it.Let me ask you this.Bernie Williams of the Yankees was once one of,if not THE best fefensive fielder in the American league.How many gold gloves has he won recently[in fact he will almost exclusively dh this year].Griffey junior was one of if not the best outfielders in baseball as well,he hasnt won a gold glove in years.As guys get older,they slow down and can no longer make the plays they used to.Why would I expect a 36-41 year old man to be as effective in the outfield as he was when he was twenty five?Bonds is a hitter now,as most aging guys are,hence why so many become DHs at the end of their career.Again,Bonds won three MVPs BEFORE steroids.Please list the many guys that won more then that.You can argue untill your blue in the face,Bonds is the greatest baseball player over the last twenty years,steroids or no steroids....Ive had three knee operations[Im rehabbing from a pattellat tendon rupture and broken knee cap now]so please,dont tell me about the length of time for rehabbing,especially after a seroius infection.
Bernie never deserved a gold glove with that cream puff arm of his. Last year the poor guy couldn't even judge a fly ball. And yes I am a Yankee fan my whole life. The DH sucks plain and simple. If you can't play the field you should be out of the game.
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Agreed. Where you and I differ is to me it is meaningless that Bonds is an asshole. Is he more guilty of juicing because he's a douche? that's ludicrous.
Groink, my point is people are going to come down harder on him because he has acted like a dick his whole career. not that what he did was any worse than any of the other MLB roid monkeys.
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When Rose can criticize, you're basically at the bottom of the barrel.. :D
True, Rose is trailer park trash. He just happened to be a helluva baseball player and the ultimate competitor. He was so competetive he went over the line. Like when he ruined ray Fosse's career in a meaningless play.
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Where you and I differ is to me it is meaningless that Bonds is an asshole. Is he more guilty of juicing because he's a douche? that's ludicrous.
You're missing it-that's just you and your warped view; what's ludicrous is that you don't get that you're the minority. Deal with it. Bonds is a DINK and that matters in the context he's currently in.
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His knee is NOT 100%,thats why he is rehabbing it.Let me ask you this.Bernie Williams of the Yankees was once one of,if not THE best fefensive fielder in the American league.How many gold gloves has he won recently[in fact he will almost exclusively dh this year].Griffey junior was one of if not the best outfielders in baseball as well,he hasnt won a gold glove in years.As guys get older,they slow down and can no longer make the plays they used to.Why would I expect a 36-41 year old man to be as effective in the outfield as he was when he was twenty five?Bonds is a hitter now,as most aging guys are,hence why so many become DHs at the end of their career.Again,Bonds won three MVPs BEFORE steroids.Please list the many guys that won more then that.You can argue untill your blue in the face,Bonds is the greatest baseball player over the last twenty years,steroids or no steroids....Ive had three knee operations[Im rehabbing from a pattellat tendon rupture and broken knee cap now]so please,dont tell me about the length of time for rehabbing,especially after a seroius infection.
Didn't you just spew on about how incredible he was as a defender? Yet now you're saying he's too old to play defense. Which is it? Didn't I mention multiple times about how Bonds cares only about offense now and here you are saying the exact same thing.
I was hoping you were going to continue with your sad little display of hero worship.
Bonds was once the best player in baseball, but those days are long gone. Your hero worship is misguided at best and pathetic at worst.
Oh and if I had to chose between either Bonds in his prime or Griffey Junior in his prime I'd pick Griffey. I'm not saying he was much better than Bonds but to me his game was unparalleled, except for running the bases.
Watching Griffey Junior in his prime was pretty exciting. He was truly gifted.
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Sorry,I root for guys who work hard and there is no one who works harder then Bonds.
Poor Barry...he's worked ever so hard..damn his whole life has been like working in a coal mine or something. Why is everyone against Barry..he's such a good guy. So talented and he can hit all those amazing homeruns..what a champ!! Some people call him a cheater and a liar and a wimp, and say that he wouldn't be a homerun king without the juice but I say who cares about all of that. I mean we all need a hero and I'm tired of looking for one, so I guess Barry "WAAAH WAAAH" Bonds will have to be it ::)
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You're missing it-that's just you and your warped view; what's ludicrous is that you don't get that you're the minority. Deal with it. Bonds is a DINK and that matters in the context he's currently in.
Warped? Holy crap. Because I don't have to like somebody personally to appreciate what they do? If you were having surgery would you insist on having a nice surgeon or a really good one?
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His knee is NOT 100%,thats why he is rehabbing it.Let me ask you this.Bernie Williams of the Yankees was once one of,if not THE best fefensive fielder in the American league.How many gold gloves has he won recently[in fact he will almost exclusively dh this year].Griffey junior was one of if not the best outfielders in baseball as well,he hasnt won a gold glove in years.As guys get older,they slow down and can no longer make the plays they used to.Why would I expect a 36-41 year old man to be as effective in the outfield as he was when he was twenty five?Bonds is a hitter now,as most aging guys are,hence why so many become DHs at the end of their career.Again,Bonds won three MVPs BEFORE steroids.Please list the many guys that won more then that.You can argue untill your blue in the face,Bonds is the greatest baseball player over the last twenty years,steroids or no steroids....Ive had three knee operations[Im rehabbing from a pattellat tendon rupture and broken knee cap now]so please,dont tell me about the length of time for rehabbing,especially after a seroius infection.
actually he won 3 MVPs before GH and slin...Not steroids...Do you really think that Bonds jumped right into Growth-slin-t3 and gear right off the bat...Gear has been around well into the 80s in the pros...IN 1985 their were a couple of guys i knew in high school that used some test and anadrol..They were two and three sport players at the time and used during the football and baseball season....If high school kids were taking stuff back then, you can bet your ass the pros were...Bonds weight gain took off from the slin...My guess is that he had been taking gear for a long time...Canseco likes to say that he was the one that brought it into baseball...Thats a bold face lie...The shit was flying around well before him...Like i stated before it was in the high schools...is he gonna tell us all that he is responsible for that also...Steroids were rampand down the southern states in out west in the 80s in sports..When the 90s came around even some kids in Jr. high knew about them...We are all supposed to believe that the pros weren't really taking them until the late 90s...That is just funny to me...Hell John McCanro admitted to steroid use well over a decade ago....
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You're missing it-that's just you and your warped view; what's ludicrous is that you don't get that you're the minority. Deal with it. Bonds is a DINK and that matters in the context he's currently in.
Stop acting like such a bitter bitch.....
We know you don't like Barry Bonds. We get it.
Move on.
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If that's the case, why didn't Mcgwire just come clean at the hearings? According to you he's done nothing wrong. Because it's not true. Steroids have been a contolled substance for 20+ years and it's illegal to take them. He was breaking the law. Add to that the fact that taking steroids is considered being the worst kind of cheater there is. And really...what does someone's demeanor have to do with anything? They are both equally culpable for their actions.
Yes that is correct. Steroids are illegal.