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Guy hasn't revolutionized shit, and won't! Makes his loot on your tax paying dime!
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Been saying the same thing for years.
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His big plan is to colonize Mars ( ROFL.) I agree completely.
J
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Guy hasn't revolutionized shit, and won't! Makes his loot on your tax paying dime!
Yes and no. He is adept at getting the government to pay for his hobbies. But you can actually buy a Tesla or send off a payload on SpaceX. Is the Tesla revolutionary? Not completely, but Steve Jobs made the MP3 player cool even though it existed long before the IPod. Musk is visionary and a master marketer. And that's how you make money.
BTW The real Nikolai Tesla was a failed genius - as smart as he was he could barely support himself. I'd rather be an Edison than a Tesla.
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Cars are doing well, Hyper Loop next. What's the issue?
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Guy hasn't revolutionized shit, and won't! Makes his loot on your tax paying dime!
I agree he made money of the tax payers, but the Model S was a revolutionary car. The Model 3 will be even more revolutionary because more people will be able to afford it.
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I agree he made money of the tax payers, but the Model S was a revolutionary car. The Model 3 will be even more revolutionary because more people will be able to afford it.
Volkswagen was the people's car and Tesla is the govt's car. Really can't fault the guy. He's smart enough to know that private equity would never fund all the R&D he wants to do. He actually learned that from Mr. Tesla....
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Cars are doing well, Hyper Loop next. What's the issue?
They don't like his politics is all.
Musk is doing just fine, Parker.
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Lol at musks new company called "the boring company".. Digging holes underground ("boring" tunnels) for transportation
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Volkswagen was the people's car and Tesla is the govt's car. Really can't fault the guy. He's smart enough to know that private equity would never fund all the R&D he wants to do. He actually learned that from Mr. Tesla....
Tesla has paid back their loan long time ago. Maybe you work with ICE cars, hence your negativity?
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Cars are doing well, Hyper Loop next. What's the issue?
Hyperloop is bullshit
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They don't like his politics is all.
Musk is doing just fine, Parker.
His politics is whatever benefits him the most
He's stated many times he's neither conservative or liberal, he's for both
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Lol at musks new company called "the boring company".. Digging holes underground ("boring" tunnels) for transportation
It all comes down to funding. He sold investors on Tesla to the tune of 52 Billion. I'm sure he'll find investors for Hyperloop One and the Boring company.
You have to give him credit on a number of fronts. He is very good at engineering management. In the end the team he hires and manages produces results that work. Case in point the Model s and Model 3. That history of results makes investors comfortable and provides the funding for new projects.
Also, because of his celebrity, anything with his name on it will attract the best and the brightest in any field.
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It all comes down to funding. He sold investors on Tesla to the tune of 52 Billion. I'm sure he'll find investors for Hyperloop One and the Boring company.
You have to give him credit on a number of fronts. He is very good at engineering management. In the end the team he hires and manages produces results that work. Case in point the Model s and Model 3. That history of results makes investors comfortable and provides the funding for new projects.
Also, because of his celebrity, anything with his name on it will attract the best and the brightest in any field.
I like the guy. I'm all for big business and capitalism.
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Mars is completely a waste of time
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Mars is completely a waste of time
you are
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Hyperloop is bullshit
All the point brought up in this video are valid and will need to be addressed. However, Hyperloop One is technically possible using current technology. There are magnetically levitating trains and creating a long vacuum is nothing new. See Large the Large Hadron Collider brought up in the video. So, Elon knows it's technically possible, but also very very expensive. Do you see any magnetically levitating trains in America. Of course not, we don't even have high speed rail.
That will be the true magic of this whole thing. Convincing investors to continue to pour billions of dollars into Hyperloop One without getting a return for decades if ever. He's succeeded doing this with Tesla. Can he do it again with Hyperloop One?
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i am pretty sure i read, that tesla is over 10 billion in debt right now ,
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oops i stand corrected 18 billion in debt
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Lol. The guy is awesome. Probably does more in a day than you've done your whole life.
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Musk has a hair transplant/ toupe
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oops i stand corrected 18 billion in debt
It'll pull through, the government is going to give it an injection.
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His big plan is to colonize Mars ( ROFL.) I agree completely.
J
We need it. I've got to get away from the madness that has started these last two decades.
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Lol. The guy is awesome. Probably does more in a day than you've done your whole life.
Yeah, so awesome for treating employees like shit and fooling the American Public into thinking he will revolutionize the future. I don't give a rat's ass how much money the guy has.
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oops i stand corrected 18 billion in debt
Debt means nothing so long as they're bringing in enough to cover their interest on the debt. You really see them going out of business?
How much debt was/is GM in? 9-10bil? And they paid off one "loan" with another loan. And that was like 8-9yrs ago
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Just completely impractical.
We have already been down this path years ago with electrical cars and us in our 30s and up remember how that all played out.
Plus you now have a growing swathe of the population embracing the minimalism type lifestyle who will not shell out the big bucks and rather invest in a reliable 5 to 10 year old car and enjoy their short time on Earth with the money saved.
College debt. So forget about that demographic of mindless, leftist, unemployable zombies(target demographic) who simply won't be approved for a 70k loan.
The price of oil continuing to slide down as natural gas production continues to increase; 1.40 a gallon(at least) gasoline in our near future.
To all you people who have zero self fortitude and toss your money into ponzi schemes like this because your self esteem is so low you have to jump on the newest trend...save yourself some money and get out while you can cause this sum bitch gonna crash and burn.
And what if you do buy and that fucker breaks down? Then what? What is the cost on that because Jerry Joe at the end of the trailer park will not be able to fix it for a case of Natty Light the same way he could with a Chevy Malibu.
People really need to grow up and leave this tax payer subsidized nonsense alone. We as a society would all be the better for it.
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Debt means nothing so long as they're bringing in enough to cover their interest on the debt. You really see them going out of business?
How much debt was/is GM in? 9-10bil? And they paid off one "loan" with another loan. And that was like 8-9yrs ago
Jesus Christ you're dumb.
GM is essentially the biggest or second biggest company in the world. They have the ability to makes billions in profit in a single year. Elon Musk is a scam artist who got never ending tax breaks and incentives for his pie in the sky assinine ideas because he let obama blow him.
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Mars. HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA
After almost 50 years of manned space flight, at a combined cost (adjusted for inflation) of $500,000,000,000 I present to you the total result of mans ability to build on other planets.
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The concept of a magnetically levitated train in a tube with the air evacuated has been around for decades. Mr. Musk didn't think of it.
Just completely impractical.
Only if chemical batteries are used for energy storage...
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Cars are doing well, Hyper Loop next. What's the issue?
Morons who are too dumb to learn how to pick their noses. There wouldn't be any threads like this without them ;D
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Tesla has paid back their loan long time ago. Maybe you work with ICE cars, hence your negativity?
Nobody is talking about loans here. You have no grasp of the total of how Tesla games the system...taxation, investors, billions in subsidies. In fact the 5 billion battery plant just happened to be offset by a 5 billion govt grant. Tesla was worth more on paper than any of the other automakers just a few weeks ago. That's some BS based on lies no matter what way you cut it. I suppose you have your life saving in Bitcoin as well, eh?
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For electric cars to truly start a revolution we'll need a big break through in battery technology. A car filled with 10,000 lithium rechargables is not the answer.
Also Oil is not as evil as people make it out to be. The problem is humans haven't grasped the knowledge to truly take advantage of it or they don't have the economical incentive to do so. Combustible engines use about 10% of the potential stored energy in gas. We waste a lot of that energy by not using it right. I'm sure car companies can figure out a way to do better. Hybrids are a decent answer. Use battery for acceleration where gas is mostly burned then gas while cruising. Save a lot in gas usage.
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I'm all for tech and efficiency but these people that act like it's presently economically viable in any metric known and that everybody is going to be driving a Tesla in 3 years is a little much.
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BTW The real Nikolai Tesla was a failed genius - as smart as he was he could barely support himself. I'd rather be an Edison than a Tesla.
Tesla was a great man and our entire modern electrical system is based on his AC inventions. From generation, to transmission over hundreds of miles, to transformers, to the wall socket. Edison's direct current would not have worked because you can't transmit direct current over long distances without significant power losses. You would need a power generation plant on every street corner and that's what Edison was proposing. Tesla's solution was brilliant and worked so well.
I admire Tesla's inventions more than the light bulb. Edison didn't even invent the light bulb, he invented a light bulb that lasted longer than an hour. I'm not saying his invention wasn't important, but I think someone else would have come up with it eventually. Tesla's invention could have taken fifty years for someone else to come up with.
His decision to tear up his royalty contracts benefited everyone but him. Yes, it was the wrong decision, but it saved Westinghouse from going bankrupt.
"Fearing ruin, Westinghouse begged Tesla for relief from the royalties Westinghouse agreed to. “Your decision determines the fate of the Westinghouse Company,” he said. Tesla, grateful to the man who had never tried to swindle him, tore up the royalty contract, walking away from millions in royalties that he was already owed and billions that would have accrued in the future. He would have been one of the wealthiest men in the world"
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-rise-and-fall-of-nikola-tesla-and-his-tower-11074324/ (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-rise-and-fall-of-nikola-tesla-and-his-tower-11074324/)
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Jesus Christ you're dumb.
GM is essentially the biggest or second biggest company in the world. They have the ability to makes billions in profit in a single year. Elon Musk is a scam artist who got never ending tax breaks and incentives for his pie in the sky assinine ideas because he let obama blow him.
Perhaps in number of employees or revenue, but NEVER in terms of profitability
Mid size / middle class cars have very low profit margins. Trucks have saved GM from bankruptcy
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For electric cars to truly start a revolution we'll need a big break through in battery technology. A car filled with 10,000 lithium rechargables is not the answer.
Also Oil is not as evil as people make it out to be. The problem is humans haven't grasped the knowledge to truly take advantage of it or they don't have the economical incentive to do so. Combustible engines use about 10% of the potential stored energy in gas. We waste a lot of that energy by not using it right. I'm sure car companies can figure out a way to do better. Hybrids are a decent answer. Use battery for acceleration where gas is mostly burned then gas while cruising. Save a lot in gas usage.
There is some pretty good tech that can be applied to ICE engines. Like camless engines.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/amp31657/koenigseggs-camless-engine-getting-close-to-production-in-china/ (https://www.google.com/amp/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/amp31657/koenigseggs-camless-engine-getting-close-to-production-in-china/)
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For electric cars to truly start a revolution we'll need a big break through in battery technology.
No chemical battery will have sufficient energy to weight...
What has to come first is a superconducting storage torus.
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6972599/?reload=true
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnetic_energy_storage
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Guy hasn't revolutionized shit, and won't! Makes his loot on your tax paying dime!
Who is doing more than Musk with less tax dollars?
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also looks like he's had some pretty bad facial plastic surgery
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Jesus Christ you're dumb.
GM is essentially the biggest or second biggest company in the world. They have the ability to makes billions in profit in a single year. Elon Musk is a scam artist who got never ending tax breaks and incentives for his pie in the sky assinine ideas because he let obama blow him.
Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.
Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.
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Perhaps in number of employees or revenue, but NEVER in terms of profitability
Mid size / middle class cars have very low profit margins. Trucks have saved GM from bankruptcy
GM made $12B in pre-tax profit in North America in 2016.
If the renegotiation of NAFTA doesn't hurt them too bad they should see similar numbers in 2017.
Doesn't matter much which product lines the money comes from.
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Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.
Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.
Tell you what BSFitness, go ahead and post up pics of your diplomas and put me to shame - I'll wait.
Because right now all you do is talk out your ass on every subject brought up on getbig
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Mars is completely a waste of time
eggs in one basket = bad planning
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GM made $12B in pre-tax profit in North America in 2016.
If the renegotiation of NAFTA doesn't hurt them too bad they should see similar numbers in 2017.
Doesn't matter much which product lines the money comes from.
Hey! You learn how to use Google good job fat boy
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Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.
Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.
AND WHEN HAVE YOU EVER PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RUNNING A BUSINESS.
WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF STORIES.
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GM made $12B in pre-tax profit in North America in 2016.
If the renegotiation of NAFTA doesn't hurt them too bad they should see similar numbers in 2017.
Doesn't matter much which product lines the money comes from.
Is this the same GM that was about to fold and the republicans were happy to let fold yet Obama saved them, then Trump garnered their votes by saying he'll save their jobs even though his party was happy to let the whole company collapse a few years earlier?
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He created paypal
paypal is a piece of shit of a company. dont think i ever had worse in terms of customer experience.
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Is this the same GM that was about to fold and the republicans were happy to let fold yet Obama saved them, then Trump garnered their votes by saying he'll save their jobs even though his party was happy to let the whole company collapse a few years earlier?
Not sure how any of this is relevant to the conversation that Elon Musk is not a visionary?
Obama didn't save anything, taxpayer money bailed out GM and I disagreed that they needed it
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New York to DC in half an hour.
Elon Musk -- the serial entrepreneur who heads Tesla (TSLA), SpaceX and now The Boring Company -- says he "just received verbal [government] approval" to build a new underground hyperloop network that can shuttle commuters between the two cities in 29 minutes.
He made the announcement on Twitter, declaring his new super-fast transportation network will also have stops in Philadelphia and Baltimore, as well as "up to a dozen or more entry/exit elevators in each city."
The announcement sparked lots questions: Musk didn't say what government official gave him a "verbal" OK for the project, and it's not clear that anyone would have the ability to sign off on such a project single handedly, much less verbally. Moreover, acquiring all the state and local permits necessary to build a hyperloop would undoubtedly be a complex, time consuming task.
Musk admitted as much shortly after his announcement Thursday, writing on Twitter that there's "still a lot of work needed to receive formal approval."
Still a lot of work needed to receive formal approval, but am optimistic that will occur rapidly
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 20, 2017
Neither The Boring Company or the Department of Transportation responded immediately to a request for comment.
And even if the ultra-high speed rail does receive all the required approvals, it's not clear who would build it.
While the hyperloop is Musk's idea, he hasn't taken on the project personally. Rather, he challenged other inventors to create it -- and a couple of companies have cropped up to tackle the challenge, most notably, Hyperloop One.
Related: All the quirky details you need to know about Elon Musk's Boring company
But the New York-DC hyperloop could also be the first major project for Musk's tunnel-digging company, The Boring Company. He established the firm earlier this year to build an underground web of tunnels beneath Los Angeles, through which cars can travel up to 130 miles per hour on metal skates.
That's a different concept than the hyperloop, which is meant for long-distance traveling and is intended to have much higher top speeds.
So far, The Boring Company has spawned many puns, but not much progress in terms of reaching Musk's goal.
Musk said during a TED conference in April that his tunneling company ties in closely with the hyperloop, since both require vacuum-sealed tunnels.
He actually mentioned an East Coast hyperloop at that conference, saying "If you were to do something like a DC-to-New York hyperloop, I think you'd probably want to go underground the entire way because it's a high-density area."
Musk added that his tunnel digging process wouldn't disturb people above ground.
"You're going under a lot of buildings and houses, and if you go deep enough, you cannot detect the tunnel," he said.
For sure. First set of tunnels are to alleviate greater LA urban congestion. Will start NY-DC in parallel. Then prob LA-SF and a TX loop.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 20, 2017
One tweet Musk sent Thursday hinted that his boring company will dig the tunnel from New York to DC. He said he'll start the project "in parallel" with the LA tunnel network. But he didn't go so far as to say who will install the hyperloop.
Musk tweeted about even bigger ambitions to build a hyperloop between Los Angeles and San Francisco and another in Texas.
Both hyperloop and Musk's LA tunneling idea are longshot ideas -- but Musk does have a flare for bringing the impossible to life.
I'd love a SD to Vegas hyperloop. be in Vegas in 20 minutes would be awesome.
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Not sure how any of this is relevant to the conversation that Elon Musk is not a visionary?
Obama didn't save anything, taxpayer money bailed out GM and I disagreed that they needed it
Still, better that the loans went to car makers than to criminal banks....FCA/FORD/GM employed a lot of people
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New York to DC in half an hour.
Elon Musk -- the serial entrepreneur who heads Tesla (TSLA), SpaceX and now The Boring Company -- says he "just received verbal [government] approval" to build a new underground hyperloop network that can shuttle commuters between the two cities in 29 minutes.
He made the announcement on Twitter, declaring his new super-fast transportation network will also have stops in Philadelphia and Baltimore, as well as "up to a dozen or more entry/exit elevators in each city."
He's very skilled at getting government money. Those poor tax payers have no idea what the final bill for this will be. It'll probably be sixty percent complete when they finally figure out the real cost.
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He's very skilled at getting government money. Those poor tax payers have no idea what the final bill for this will be. It'll probably be sixty percent complete when they finally figure out the real cost.
His dream for LA is a joke. LA is the worlds most expensive subway per mile. The reason is years back they wanted to build a NYC style subway system under LA. What they didn't realize was how hard and dense the granite was to drill through and it took way more time and cost them way more money so at a certain point they just stopped and kept the subway system small and centered downtown. It would have cost billions upon billions to keep drilling. His dream of an underground LA to SF will never happen. Does he plan to drill through the Fault lines as well? One slight shift and the whole loop would be broken. Those shifts happen frequently.
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From the Boring company website.
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From the Boring Company:
How can we reduce the cost of tunneling?
First, reduce the tunnel diameter. To build a one-lane tunnel, the tunnel diameter must be approximately 28 feet. By placing vehicles on a stabilized electric skate, the diameter can be reduced to less than 14 feet. Reducing the diameter in half reduces tunneling costs by 3-4 times. Secondly, increase the speed of the Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM). TBMs are super slow. A snail is effectively 14 times faster than a soft-soil TBM. Our goal is to defeat the snail in a race. Ways to increase TBM speed:
Increase TBM power. The machine’s power output can be tripled (while coupled with the appropriate upgrades in cooling systems).
Go electric. Current tunnel operations often include diesel locomotives. These can be replaced by electric vehicles.
https://www.boringcompany.com/faq/ (https://www.boringcompany.com/faq/)
This actually makes sense and doesn't propose using the Hyperloop in the tunnel. Instead it would use an electric skate with the car sitting on top of the electric skate. People would definitely pay to use this to save time in LA traffic.
The website also says that being in a tunnel is one of the safest places to be during an earthquake. I'm not sure if that makes sense.
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May all the marketing "geniuses" fade into oblivion and make room for the real inventors.
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Elon Musk -- the serial entrepreneur who heads Tesla (TSLA), SpaceX and now The Boring Company -- says he "just received verbal [government] approval" to build a new underground hyperloop network that can shuttle commuters between the two cities in 29 minutes.
The mayors of New York, Philadelphia, and DC all say they've heard nothing about this.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/the-red-tape-that-could-slow-down-musks-tunnel-plans.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/the-red-tape-that-could-slow-down-musks-tunnel-plans.html)
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Dig the narrator's accent...
The challenge of maintaining a vacuum in a large tube, larger than any pipeline, is the limiting factor here.
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Still, better that the loans went to car makers than to criminal banks....FCA/FORD/GM employed a lot of people
My recollection was that Ford didn't take a bailout?
I don't blame the others. One month into office and obama was throwing around stimulus and bailout money like a drunken sailor.
If Trump would have completely wasted $800,000,000 his first month in office CNN would have orgasmed to death. But because it was Cornelius Hussein obama the media gave him a complete free pass
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AND WHEN HAVE YOU EVER PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RUNNING A BUSINESS.
WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF STORIES.
Hahaha more of the same. Yea, for the past 20 years I have lived my life with the thought of "G I better hold on to some evidence in case somebody on the internet asks me for proof of this"
Nutrition store
Personal training biz 17+yrs
"Payless pharmacia"& "RX4Less.com" 1/3rd ownership in tjuana 02-04
Proprietary Equity Trader running my own account 08 - 2010
Ran a collections branch of a company 2011-2012
Ran a gym 2012-2016
Waiting on you to post proof of your supposed "career", as well as your supposed "family"
Ugl 2012-2017
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AND WHEN HAVE YOU EVER PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RUNNING A BUSINESS.
WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF STORIES.
you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.
I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.
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Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.
Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.
What's wrong with being a construction worker?
You're just a low level personal trainer.
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What's wrong with being a construction worker?
You're just a low level personal trainer.
Who said "worker"?
And if a low level Pt does 100-150/hr, what's a mid or high level Pt do?
And majority of my income doesn't even come from Pt lol bum like you should know that by now
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Working regular trades will keep you out of the pokey. No offense but personal training in somebody else's place is not the same as running a business.
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Lets be real people. Capitalism in America only stays afloat when the GGGEWWWS flood the States with religious Mexican robots who think they "can make it in America". The Hierarchy knows what they're doing. Fucking brilliant...
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What's wrong with being a construction worker?
You're just a low level personal trainer.
There's construction workers who make 6 figures in inner cities under their union. Many cops can make that with OT...99% of personal trainers aren't coming close to those numbers. And they aren't getting health benefits etc...
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Who said "worker"?
And if a low level Pt does 100-150/hr, what's a mid or high level Pt do?
And majority of my income doesn't even come from Pt lol bum like you should know that by now
Who else is going to pick up nails at a construction site, other than a construction worker, dingus. Not to mention that you knocked plumbers and janitors.
Yet, you're just a personal trainer. :-\ :-\ you teach ppl how to do a bicep curl. :-\
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There's construction workers who make 6 figures in inner cities under their union. Many cops can make that with OT...99% of personal trainers aren't coming close to those numbers. And they aren't getting health benefits etc...
Exactly.
Kind of funny how ESFitness makes fun of people who are janitors or construction workers--they are probably more successful than him.
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I believe crane workers who operate those crane's for high rises hundreds of feet up get paid high 100K salaries.
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Working regular trades will keep you out of the pokey. No offense but personal training in somebody else's place is not the same as running a business.
No lie. Being self employed and running/owning a business are two different things. Personal training as a sole proprietor is nothing like owning a business.
And construction workers can make very good money, and don't even have to be Union to do so. Many superintendents and foreman make six figures.
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You've all convinced me to quit my desk job and mow lawns for a living ala Johnny Falcon. 6 beers and head to work eating raw potatoes all day
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My recollection was that Ford didn't take a bailout?
I don't blame the others. One month into office and obama was throwing around stimulus and bailout money like a drunken sailor.
If Trump would have completely wasted $800,000,000 his first month in office CNN would have orgasmed to death. But because it was Cornelius Hussein obama the media gave him a complete free pass
Ford got a 5.9 billion usd loan from the American government
https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670
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Cars are doing well, Hyper Loop next. What's the issue?
Doing well Tesla 76,000 /year GM 6.6millon/year sold untill a week ago Tesla was valued higher than GM