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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2017, 08:30:55 PM »
oops i stand corrected 18 billion in debt

Debt means nothing so long as they're bringing in enough to cover their interest on the debt. You really see them going out of business?

How much debt was/is GM in? 9-10bil? And they paid off one "loan" with another loan. And that was like 8-9yrs ago

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2017, 08:49:39 PM »
Just completely impractical.

We have already been down this path years ago with electrical cars and us in our 30s and up remember how that all played out.

Plus you now have a growing swathe of the population embracing the minimalism type lifestyle who will not shell out the big bucks and rather invest in a reliable 5 to 10 year old car and enjoy their short time on Earth with the money saved.

College debt. So forget about that demographic of mindless, leftist, unemployable zombies(target demographic) who simply won't be approved for a 70k loan.

The price of oil continuing to slide down as natural gas production continues to increase; 1.40 a gallon(at least) gasoline in our near future.

To all you people who have zero self fortitude and toss your money into ponzi schemes like this because your self esteem is so low you have to jump on the newest trend...save yourself some money and get out while you can cause this sum bitch gonna crash and burn.

And what if you do buy and that fucker breaks down? Then what? What is the cost on that because Jerry Joe at the end of the trailer park will not be able to fix it for a case of Natty Light the same way he could with a Chevy Malibu.

People really need to grow up and leave this tax payer subsidized nonsense alone. We as a society would all be the better for it.

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2017, 10:18:28 PM »
Debt means nothing so long as they're bringing in enough to cover their interest on the debt. You really see them going out of business?

How much debt was/is GM in? 9-10bil? And they paid off one "loan" with another loan. And that was like 8-9yrs ago

Jesus Christ you're dumb.

GM is essentially the biggest or second biggest company in the world. They have the ability to makes billions in profit in a single year. Elon Musk is a scam artist who got never ending tax breaks and incentives for his pie in the sky assinine ideas because he let obama blow him.

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2017, 10:52:08 PM »
Mars. HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

After almost 50 years of manned space flight, at a combined cost (adjusted for inflation) of $500,000,000,000 I present to you the total result of mans ability to build on other planets.
 
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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2017, 11:10:58 PM »
The concept of a magnetically levitated train in a tube with the air evacuated has been around for decades.  Mr. Musk didn't think of it.


Just completely impractical.

Only if chemical batteries are used for energy storage...

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2017, 04:26:45 AM »
Cars are doing well, Hyper Loop next. What's the issue?


Morons who are too dumb to learn how to pick their noses. There wouldn't be any threads like this without them  ;D

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2017, 11:32:20 AM »
Tesla has paid back their loan long time ago. Maybe you work with ICE cars, hence your negativity?


Nobody is talking about loans here. You have no grasp of the total of how Tesla games the system...taxation, investors, billions in subsidies. In fact the 5 billion battery plant just happened to be offset by a 5 billion govt grant. Tesla was worth more on paper than any of the other automakers just a few weeks ago. That's some BS based on lies no matter what way you cut it. I suppose you have your life saving in Bitcoin as well, eh?

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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2017, 11:38:12 AM »
For electric cars to truly start a revolution we'll need a big break through in battery technology.  A car filled with 10,000 lithium rechargables is not the answer.
Also Oil is not as evil as people make it out to be.  The problem is humans haven't grasped the knowledge to truly take advantage of it or they don't have the economical incentive to do so.  Combustible engines use about 10% of the potential stored energy in gas.  We waste a lot of that energy by not using it right.  I'm sure car companies can figure out a way to do better.  Hybrids are a decent answer.  Use battery for acceleration where gas is mostly burned then gas while cruising.  Save a lot in gas usage.

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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2017, 11:41:26 AM »
I'm all for tech and efficiency but these people that act like it's presently economically viable in any metric known and that everybody is going to be driving a Tesla in 3 years is a little much.

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2017, 11:46:03 AM »

BTW The real Nikolai Tesla was a failed genius - as smart as he was he could barely support himself. I'd rather be an Edison than a Tesla.


Tesla was a great man and our entire modern electrical system is based on his AC inventions.  From generation, to transmission over hundreds of miles, to transformers, to the wall socket.  Edison's direct current would not have worked because you can't transmit direct current over long distances without significant power losses.  You would need a power generation plant on every street corner and that's what Edison was proposing.  Tesla's solution was brilliant and worked so well.  

I admire Tesla's inventions more than the light bulb.  Edison didn't even invent the light bulb, he invented a light bulb that lasted longer than an hour.  I'm not saying his invention wasn't important, but I think someone else would have come up with it eventually.  Tesla's invention could have taken fifty years for someone else to come up with.  

His decision to tear up his royalty contracts benefited everyone but him.  Yes, it was the wrong decision, but it saved Westinghouse from going bankrupt.  


"Fearing ruin, Westinghouse begged Tesla for relief from the royalties Westinghouse agreed to. “Your decision determines the fate of the Westinghouse Company,” he said. Tesla, grateful to the man who had never tried to swindle him, tore up the royalty contract, walking away from millions in royalties that he was already owed and billions that would have accrued in the future. He would have been one of the wealthiest men in the world"

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-rise-and-fall-of-nikola-tesla-and-his-tower-11074324/

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2017, 11:46:51 AM »
Jesus Christ you're dumb.

GM is essentially the biggest or second biggest company in the world. They have the ability to makes billions in profit in a single year. Elon Musk is a scam artist who got never ending tax breaks and incentives for his pie in the sky assinine ideas because he let obama blow him.

Perhaps in number of employees or revenue, but NEVER in terms of profitability

Mid size / middle class cars have very low profit margins. Trucks have saved GM from bankruptcy

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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2017, 12:33:25 PM »
For electric cars to truly start a revolution we'll need a big break through in battery technology.  A car filled with 10,000 lithium rechargables is not the answer.
Also Oil is not as evil as people make it out to be.  The problem is humans haven't grasped the knowledge to truly take advantage of it or they don't have the economical incentive to do so.  Combustible engines use about 10% of the potential stored energy in gas.  We waste a lot of that energy by not using it right.  I'm sure car companies can figure out a way to do better.  Hybrids are a decent answer.  Use battery for acceleration where gas is mostly burned then gas while cruising.  Save a lot in gas usage.
There is some pretty good tech that can be applied to ICE engines. Like camless engines.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/amp31657/koenigseggs-camless-engine-getting-close-to-production-in-china/

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2017, 02:07:26 PM »
For electric cars to truly start a revolution we'll need a big break through in battery technology.

No chemical battery will have sufficient energy to weight...

What has to come first is a superconducting storage torus.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6972599/?reload=true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnetic_energy_storage

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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2017, 04:46:39 PM »
Guy hasn't revolutionized shit, and won't! Makes his loot on your tax paying dime!
Who is doing more than Musk with less tax dollars?

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2017, 04:47:40 PM »



also looks like he's had some pretty bad facial plastic surgery

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2017, 05:31:41 PM »
Jesus Christ you're dumb.

GM is essentially the biggest or second biggest company in the world. They have the ability to makes billions in profit in a single year. Elon Musk is a scam artist who got never ending tax breaks and incentives for his pie in the sky assinine ideas because he let obama blow him.


Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.

Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.

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« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2017, 07:25:42 PM »
Perhaps in number of employees or revenue, but NEVER in terms of profitability

Mid size / middle class cars have very low profit margins. Trucks have saved GM from bankruptcy

GM made $12B in pre-tax profit in North America in 2016.

If the renegotiation of NAFTA doesn't hurt them too bad they should see similar numbers in 2017.

Doesn't matter much which product lines the money comes from.

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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2017, 07:27:42 PM »

Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.

Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.

Tell you what BSFitness, go ahead and post up pics of your diplomas and put me to shame - I'll wait.

Because right now all you do is talk out your ass on every subject brought up on getbig

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2017, 09:27:21 PM »
Mars is completely a waste of time

eggs in one basket = bad planning

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« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2017, 10:32:54 PM »
GM made $12B in pre-tax profit in North America in 2016.

If the renegotiation of NAFTA doesn't hurt them too bad they should see similar numbers in 2017.

Doesn't matter much which product lines the money comes from.

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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2017, 12:38:03 AM »

Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.

Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.
AND WHEN HAVE YOU EVER PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RUNNING A BUSINESS.

WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF STORIES.

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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2017, 06:48:08 AM »
GM made $12B in pre-tax profit in North America in 2016.

If the renegotiation of NAFTA doesn't hurt them too bad they should see similar numbers in 2017.

Doesn't matter much which product lines the money comes from.

Is this the same GM that was about to fold and the republicans were happy to let fold yet Obama saved them, then Trump garnered their votes by saying he'll save their jobs even though his party was happy to let the whole company collapse a few years earlier?

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2017, 06:49:48 AM »
He created paypal

paypal is a piece of shit of a company. dont think i ever had worse in terms of customer experience.

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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2017, 07:44:48 AM »
Is this the same GM that was about to fold and the republicans were happy to let fold yet Obama saved them, then Trump garnered their votes by saying he'll save their jobs even though his party was happy to let the whole company collapse a few years earlier?

Not sure how any of this is relevant to the conversation that Elon Musk is not a visionary?

Obama didn't save anything, taxpayer money bailed out GM and I disagreed that they needed it

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Re: Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2017, 10:25:03 AM »
New York to DC in half an hour.
Elon Musk -- the serial entrepreneur who heads Tesla (TSLA), SpaceX and now The Boring Company -- says he "just received verbal [government] approval" to build a new underground hyperloop network that can shuttle commuters between the two cities in 29 minutes.
He made the announcement on Twitter, declaring his new super-fast transportation network will also have stops in Philadelphia and Baltimore, as well as "up to a dozen or more entry/exit elevators in each city."
The announcement sparked lots questions: Musk didn't say what government official gave him a "verbal" OK for the project, and it's not clear that anyone would have the ability to sign off on such a project single handedly, much less verbally. Moreover, acquiring all the state and local permits necessary to build a hyperloop would undoubtedly be a complex, time consuming task.
Musk admitted as much shortly after his announcement Thursday, writing on Twitter that there's "still a lot of work needed to receive formal approval."
Still a lot of work needed to receive formal approval, but am optimistic that will occur rapidly
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 20, 2017
Neither The Boring Company or the Department of Transportation responded immediately to a request for comment.
And even if the ultra-high speed rail does receive all the required approvals, it's not clear who would build it.
While the hyperloop is Musk's idea, he hasn't taken on the project personally. Rather, he challenged other inventors to create it -- and a couple of companies have cropped up to tackle the challenge, most notably, Hyperloop One.
Related: All the quirky details you need to know about Elon Musk's Boring company
But the New York-DC hyperloop could also be the first major project for Musk's tunnel-digging company, The Boring Company. He established the firm earlier this year to build an underground web of tunnels beneath Los Angeles, through which cars can travel up to 130 miles per hour on metal skates.
That's a different concept than the hyperloop, which is meant for long-distance traveling and is intended to have much higher top speeds.
So far, The Boring Company has spawned many puns, but not much progress in terms of reaching Musk's goal.
Musk said during a TED conference in April that his tunneling company ties in closely with the hyperloop, since both require vacuum-sealed tunnels.
He actually mentioned an East Coast hyperloop at that conference, saying "If you were to do something like a DC-to-New York hyperloop, I think you'd probably want to go underground the entire way because it's a high-density area."
Musk added that his tunnel digging process wouldn't disturb people above ground.
"You're going under a lot of buildings and houses, and if you go deep enough, you cannot detect the tunnel," he said.
For sure. First set of tunnels are to alleviate greater LA urban congestion. Will start NY-DC in parallel. Then prob LA-SF and a TX loop.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 20, 2017
One tweet Musk sent Thursday hinted that his boring company will dig the tunnel from New York to DC. He said he'll start the project "in parallel" with the LA tunnel network. But he didn't go so far as to say who will install the hyperloop.
Musk tweeted about even bigger ambitions to build a hyperloop between Los Angeles and San Francisco and another in Texas.
Both hyperloop and Musk's LA tunneling idea are longshot ideas -- but Musk does have a flare for bringing the impossible to life.


I'd love a SD to Vegas hyperloop.  be in Vegas in 20 minutes would be awesome.