Elon Musk: wasteful, psychopathic, BS artist, con man, shyster

[Skylge]

Not sure how any of this is relevant to the conversation that Elon Musk is not a visionary?

Obama didn't save anything, taxpayer money bailed out GM and I disagreed that they needed it

Still, better that the loans went to car makers than to criminal banks....FCA/FORD/GM employed a lot of people

[Palumboism]

New York to DC in half an hour.
Elon Musk -- the serial entrepreneur who heads Tesla (TSLA), SpaceX and now The Boring Company -- says he "just received verbal [government] approval" to build a new underground hyperloop network that can shuttle commuters between the two cities in 29 minutes.
He made the announcement on Twitter, declaring his new super-fast transportation network will also have stops in Philadelphia and Baltimore, as well as "up to a dozen or more entry/exit elevators in each city."

He's very skilled at getting government money.  Those poor tax payers have no idea what the final bill for this will be.  It'll probably be sixty percent complete when they finally figure out the real cost.  


 

[El Diablo Blanco]

He's very skilled at getting government money.  Those poor tax payers have no idea what the final bill for this will be.  It'll probably be sixty percent complete when they finally figure out the real cost.  


 

His dream for LA is a joke.  LA is the worlds most expensive subway per mile.  The reason is years back they wanted to build a NYC style subway system under LA.  What they didn't realize was how hard and dense the granite was to drill through and it took way more time and cost them way more money so at a certain point they just stopped and kept the subway system small and centered downtown.  It would have cost billions upon billions to keep drilling.  His dream of an underground LA to SF will never happen. Does he plan to drill through the Fault lines as well?  One slight shift and the whole loop would be broken.  Those shifts happen frequently.

[Palumboism]

From the Boring company website.

[Palumboism]

From the Boring Company:

How can we reduce the cost of tunneling?

First, reduce the tunnel diameter. To build a one-lane tunnel, the tunnel diameter must be approximately 28 feet. By placing vehicles on a stabilized electric skate, the diameter can be reduced to less than 14 feet. Reducing the diameter in half reduces tunneling costs by 3-4 times. Secondly, increase the speed of the Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM). TBMs are super slow. A snail is effectively 14 times faster than a soft-soil TBM.  Our goal is to defeat the snail in a race. Ways to increase TBM speed:

Increase TBM power. The machine’s power output can be tripled (while coupled with the appropriate upgrades in cooling systems).
  
Go electric. Current tunnel operations often include diesel locomotives. These can be replaced by electric vehicles.  


https://www.boringcompany.com/faq/



This actually makes sense and doesn't propose using the Hyperloop in the tunnel.  Instead it would use an electric skate with the car sitting on top of the electric skate.  People would definitely pay to use this to save time in LA traffic.

The website also says that being in a tunnel is one of the safest places to be during an earthquake.  I'm not sure if that makes sense.  

[_bruce_]

May all the marketing "geniuses" fade into oblivion and make room for the real inventors.

[Palumboism]

Elon Musk -- the serial entrepreneur who heads Tesla (TSLA), SpaceX and now The Boring Company -- says he "just received verbal [government] approval" to build a new underground hyperloop network that can shuttle commuters between the two cities in 29 minutes.

The mayors of New York, Philadelphia, and DC all say they've heard nothing about this.


http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/the-red-tape-that-could-slow-down-musks-tunnel-plans.html

[sync pulse]

Dig the narrator's accent...

The challenge of maintaining a vacuum in a large tube, larger than any pipeline, is the limiting factor here.

[HockeyFightFan]

Still, better that the loans went to car makers than to criminal banks....FCA/FORD/GM employed a lot of people

My recollection was that Ford didn't take a bailout?

I don't blame the others. One month into office and obama was throwing around stimulus and bailout money like a drunken sailor.

If Trump would have completely wasted $800,000,000 his first month in office CNN would have orgasmed to death. But because it was Cornelius Hussein obama the media gave him a complete free pass

[ESFitness]

AND WHEN HAVE YOU EVER PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RUNNING A BUSINESS.

WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF STORIES.

Hahaha more of the same. Yea, for the past 20 years I have lived my life with the thought of "G I better hold on to some evidence in case somebody on the internet asks me for proof of this"

Nutrition store
Personal training biz 17+yrs
"Payless pharmacia"& "RX4Less.com" 1/3rd ownership in tjuana 02-04
Proprietary Equity Trader running my own account 08 - 2010
Ran a collections branch of a company 2011-2012
Ran a gym 2012-2016

Waiting on you to post proof of your supposed "career", as well as your supposed "family"
Ugl 2012-2017

[Eyeball Chambers]

AND WHEN HAVE YOU EVER PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RUNNING A BUSINESS.

WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF STORIES.

you're not equipped for this, tree-hugger. business is not something you're versed in, just tap out.

I've owned businesses, managed businesses, and invested in businesses. Clippers ain't a public company, I assume sterling owns a controlling share, if not 100%. you can't force a man to sell his business. if he were CEO, the board of directors could vote on terminating him, but he's not elected (hired). it's like forcing Sergey and the other guy to sell Google.com..... you can't do it. Sure, you can fire Eric Schmidt (although I believe he's stepped down already... beside the point), but you can't force Sergey and other guy (the owners) to sell.... the same way you can't force zuckerberg to sell his interest in Facebook..... the same way Annaly Capital can't force me to sell my shares because of something other shareholders see me posting on Getbig. that's not how it works kid.

[SF1900]

Hahaha the fuck do you know about business? Haha have you ever seen GMs balance sheet? Quarterly report? Have you ever seen ANY balance sheet? Would you even known how to READ a quarterly report? For fucks sake do you even know what a quarterly report is? Absolutely nothing, no, no, no, no, and no.

Stick two what you do know. Shit like unclogging and clogging toilets, pushing brooms, pumping gas, and picking up nails at construction sites.

What's wrong with being a construction worker?

You're just a low level personal trainer.

[ESFitness]

What's wrong with being a construction worker?

You're just a low level personal trainer.

Who said "worker"?

And if a low level Pt does 100-150/hr, what's a mid or high level Pt do?

And majority of my income doesn't even come from Pt lol bum like you should know that by now

[SOMEPARTS]

Working regular trades will keep you out of the pokey. No offense but personal training in somebody else's place is not the same as running a business.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Lets be real people. Capitalism in America only stays afloat when the GGGEWWWS flood the States with religious Mexican robots who think they "can make it in America". The Hierarchy knows what they're doing. Fucking brilliant...

[The Abdominal Snoman]

What's wrong with being a construction worker?

You're just a low level personal trainer.

There's construction workers who make 6 figures in inner cities under their union. Many cops can make that with OT...99% of personal trainers aren't coming close to those numbers. And they aren't getting health benefits etc...

[SF1900]

Who said "worker"?

And if a low level Pt does 100-150/hr, what's a mid or high level Pt do?

And majority of my income doesn't even come from Pt lol bum like you should know that by now

Who else is going to pick up nails at a construction site, other than a construction worker, dingus. Not to mention that you knocked plumbers and janitors.

Yet, you're just a personal trainer.  you teach ppl how to do a bicep curl. 

[SF1900]

There's construction workers who make 6 figures in inner cities under their union. Many cops can make that with OT...99% of personal trainers aren't coming close to those numbers. And they aren't getting health benefits etc...

Exactly.

Kind of funny how ESFitness makes fun of people who are janitors or construction workers--they are probably more successful than him.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I believe crane workers who operate those crane's for high rises hundreds of feet up get paid high 100K salaries.

[Irongrip400]

Working regular trades will keep you out of the pokey. No offense but personal training in somebody else's place is not the same as running a business.

No lie. Being self employed and running/owning a business are two different things. Personal training as a sole proprietor is nothing like owning a business.


And construction workers can make very good money, and don't even have to be Union to do so. Many superintendents and foreman make six figures.

[El Diablo Blanco]

You've all convinced me to quit my desk job and mow lawns for a living ala Johnny Falcon.  6 beers and head to work eating raw potatoes all day

[Skylge]

My recollection was that Ford didn't take a bailout?

I don't blame the others. One month into office and obama was throwing around stimulus and bailout money like a drunken sailor.

If Trump would have completely wasted $800,000,000 his first month in office CNN would have orgasmed to death. But because it was Cornelius Hussein obama the media gave him a complete free pass

Ford got a 5.9 billion usd loan from the American government

https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

[phil mcgroin]

Cars are doing well, Hyper Loop next. What's the issue?

Doing well Tesla 76,000 /year GM 6.6millon/year sold untill a week ago Tesla was valued higher than GM