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Title: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 18, 2017, 10:45:50 PM
I got a question for the board.

Do you think the only thing holding you back from becoming pro status is drugs and commitment?

ie, genetics secondary?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SF1900 on October 18, 2017, 10:54:11 PM
Neither are secondary. They are both equally integral when creating an IFBB Pro athlete!
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 18, 2017, 11:04:45 PM
The reason I say, is, some people in here think they can just inject and lift to their way to any size they want.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: falco on October 18, 2017, 11:20:53 PM
The reason I say, is, some people in here think they can just inject and lift to their way to any size they want.
Those people usually sell the stuff.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ESFitness on October 19, 2017, 02:02:56 AM
Neither are secondary. They are both equally integral when creating an IFBB Pro athlete!

Nothing you say regarding drugs or bodybuilding is relevant you fucking obese wannabe. LoL @ your "bulking"
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SuperTed on October 19, 2017, 02:19:28 AM
I have shit BB genetics but even if I had the best, I still wouldn't be willing to take the amount of drugs required to turn pro.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: heenok on October 19, 2017, 02:25:25 AM
Put me on all the drugs in world i would probably not win a regional show. Decent build sure, actual competitive physique hell no.
Genetics is 80% of the equation at the very least. Most guy doing cycles in gyms dont even look like they juice let alone train.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SF1900 on October 19, 2017, 06:10:51 AM
Nothing you say regarding drugs or bodybuilding is relevant you fucking obese wannabe. LoL @ your "bulking"

tl;dr
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 19, 2017, 06:22:58 AM
Bone structure -joint size - muscle shape / origins & insertions - response to training - response to food - response to pharmaceuticals - tolerance to training & pharmaceuticals

Just some of the requirements.

As some one stated everyone can get bigger & stronger to some degree
As far as being Top Pro Different thing altogether   
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: NotMrAverage on October 19, 2017, 06:36:36 AM
Another type of "genetics" is actually response to drugs. Dorian Yates is a perfect example.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Cableguy on October 19, 2017, 06:44:28 AM
I've been training since I was 15. After a few years, I knew I didn't have the genetics to be a competitive bodybuilder. I built a decent physique compared to the average populace walking around, but definitely not on the level to be a successful competitor. One of the main reasons I never did gear.

I'm small boned and not built for strength. My legs are the only body part that grew easily. Pushing too hard over the years is probably the main reason my rotators are fucked up. So yes, I'm convinced genetics are the main factor.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: rangerwil on October 19, 2017, 06:45:05 AM
If it was just drugs and drive, there would be THOUSANDS of mass monsters walking around.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Griffith on October 19, 2017, 06:59:00 AM
Another type of "genetics" is actually response to drugs. Dorian Yates is a perfect example.

That's probably the main type of 'genetics' in bodybuilding.

It's all drugs.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 19, 2017, 07:04:25 AM
That's probably the main type of 'genetics' in bodybuilding.

It's all drugs.


Not For reeves & grimek & the like
All natural.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ratherbebig on October 19, 2017, 07:05:01 AM
if you looked like this when you were lee priest age, by all means, go for a pro card.

if not, keep on posting on getbig.

(https://forums.t-nation.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/8/4811761f62b32671ace2c87841fe0fa851a440ab.jpg)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: NotMrAverage on October 19, 2017, 07:27:09 AM
I've been training since I was 15. After a few years, I knew I didn't have the genetics to be a competitive bodybuilder. I built a decent physique compared to the average populace walking around, but definitely not on the level to be a successful competitor. One of the main reasons I never did gear.

I'm small boned and not built for strength. My legs are the only body part that grew easily. Pushing too hard over the years is probably the main reason my rotators are fucked up. So yes, I'm convinced genetics are the main factor.

Cool you built a great body without gear. But genetics is not all about muscle insertions. How you respond to gear is very induvidual and definitly very important. Never heard anyone except van bilderass discuss this fact really.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 19, 2017, 07:42:34 AM
I have shit BB genetics but even if I had the best, I still wouldn't be willing to take the amount of drugs required to turn pro.

This is exactly my point ...

Levrone and Wheeler are the best example in terms of Great genetics, they both landed the second spot at their Mr.O debut ....

yet the amount of steroids/diuretics they had to run constantly to get there was a deal breaker when I wanted to take the whole thing seriously .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: NotMrAverage on October 19, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
That's probably the main type of 'genetics' in bodybuilding.

It's all drugs.

Sometimes I wonder why even analyize this thing...

But lets be positive now  :)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 19, 2017, 11:17:11 AM
This is exactly my point ...

Levrone and Wheeler are the best example in terms of Great genetics, they both landed the second spot at their Mr.O debut ....

yet the amount of steroids/diuretics they had to run constantly to get there was a deal breaker when I wanted to take the whole thing seriously .




There are many different sports that are dangerous for one reason or another
yet many participate in them -- Its down to individual choice
Some think the Risks are worth taking some don't.
Some end up badly injured or dead others are fine.

Most things in life are a gamble one way or another.
No guarantees other than at some point we are all going to Die.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Parker on October 19, 2017, 11:23:14 AM
if you looked like this when you were lee priest age, by all means, go for a pro card.

if not, keep on posting on getbig.

(https://forums.t-nation.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/8/4811761f62b32671ace2c87841fe0fa851a440ab.jpg)
Lee looks better there than he did when turned pro.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 19, 2017, 12:19:44 PM
Bone structure -joint size - muscle shape / origins & insertions - response to training - response to food - response to pharmaceuticals - tolerance to training & pharmaceuticals

Just some of the requirements.

As some one stated everyone can get bigger & stronger to some degree
As far as being Top Pro Different thing altogether   

Even if you have all that like a flex wheeler he still couldn’t beat Dorian

And then you got dan hill....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 19, 2017, 12:20:26 PM
if you looked like this when you were lee priest age, by all means, go for a pro card.

if not, keep on posting on getbig.

(https://forums.t-nation.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/8/4811761f62b32671ace2c87841fe0fa851a440ab.jpg)

Narrow as fuck
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: TheShape. on October 19, 2017, 01:46:49 PM
I believe I have the genetics for it, even the tolerance for toxicity of the drugs..but I'll never choose the path of the thong.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 19, 2017, 01:50:01 PM
the anabolic matrix ie. gear, gh, slin, igf (according to 15) and epo (according to coach trev) are required to become a true mass monster
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on October 19, 2017, 02:01:08 PM
the anabolic matrix ie. gear, gh, slin, igf (according to 15) and epo (according to coach trev) are required to become a true mass monster
Tell that to Sergio Oliva. Too bad he is dead.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ilalin on October 19, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
A lot of people have 'unbalanced' bodies, long legs, short torso or opposite and so on. So, balanced is number 1.
Also, like previously mentioned, size of joints and so on.
Finally the most important thing is, are you able to concentrate on gaining muscle with the help of anabolics - constant training, eating, minimal alcohol. poking around the clock and all the other shit that comes with it.
It's actually pretty hard work...
Is it worth it?

Only you can answer that.
 
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 19, 2017, 02:17:39 PM
Tell that to Sergio Oliva. Too bad he is dead.

emmm, he was never bone dry ripped at a dry 4%

if he hit that condition he would weigh not much more than 2 bills

in the famous AJ pic of him he weighed 233, but he was fat and wet

bone dry @ 4% 210 MAX
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on October 19, 2017, 02:38:53 PM
emmm, he was never bone dry ripped at a dry 4%

if he hit that condition he would weigh not much more than 2 bills

in the famous AJ pic of him he weighed 233, but he was fat and wet

bone dry @ 4% 210 MAX
Whatever you say chief.....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: denarii on October 19, 2017, 02:59:08 PM
If you have Olympia top 10 genetics I don't think you need much to become pro. Then you take pro doses and end up in top 10.
If you have shit genetics then you have no chance eitherway
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 19, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Whatever you say chief.....

lulz

look at those wet legs

thats not even 6%

here let me help you with this

p.s. check the wheels
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: mazrim on October 19, 2017, 05:38:08 PM
Can anyone become a monster, etc.? Yes. Can anyone actually achieve a timeless physique? No. Kind of depends on your definition really. Will you be satisfied with your look/keep your look as you grow? That is genetics really, but to achieve pro status in todays day and age it is basically drugs as there are tons of guys who look like junk but are pros. I'm tired so hopefully that makes sense.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 19, 2017, 05:46:45 PM
Can anyone become a monster, etc.? Yes. Can anyone actually achieve a timeless physique? No. Kind of depends on your definition really. Will you be satisfied with your look/keep your look as you grow? That is genetics really, but to achieve pro status in todays day and age it is basically drugs as there are tons of guys who look like junk but are pros. I'm tired so hopefully that makes sense.

if you wanna be a mass monster then the anabolic matrix is the key
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: che on October 19, 2017, 06:28:57 PM

Genetics is 80% of the equation at the very least.

 ::) drugs are 80% genetics 20% ,you will never get an IFBB pro card without drugs even if you have the best genetics in the world , but you can get a Pro card with ton of drugs and subpar genetics

(http://www.pumpingironmag.org/odd/attachment.php?attachmentid=4701&d=1241229442)(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/flcmwmgeh24/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6151693&d=1378009432)


(http://proteinfart.proteinfart.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/20seju11.jpg)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on October 19, 2017, 06:59:17 PM
lulz

look at those wet legs

thats not even 6%

here let me help you with this

p.s. check the wheels
Yep...and Munzer is dead due to being an idiot who abused it all and takes cycles that you worship.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Cableguy on October 19, 2017, 08:18:42 PM
Cool you built a great body without gear. But genetics is not all about muscle insertions. How you respond to gear is very induvidual and definitly very important. Never heard anyone except van bilderass discuss this fact really.

I wouldn't say great, but better than average. At 55 it's even harder. At 5'7 I'm 185 right now. I need to be about 160 to have decent abs. A couple of more months hopefully!

And yes, I agree that drug response is very genetic as well. Levrone is a prime example of an extreme responder. Although I wouldn't know how I would respond personally, having never done gear.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: tres_taco_combo on October 19, 2017, 08:35:48 PM
A lot of people have 'unbalanced' bodies, long legs, short torso or opposite and so on. So, balanced is number 1.
Also, like previously mentioned, size of joints and so on.
Finally the most important thing is, are you able to concentrate on gaining muscle with the help of anabolics - constant training, eating, minimal alcohol. poking around the clock and all the other shit that comes with it.
It's actually pretty hard work...
Is it worth it?

Only you can answer that.
 

add in posing.... you can be jacked and cut and bee knees but posing too.  i need to spend more time on that
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 19, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
::) drugs are 80% genetics 20% ,you will never get an IFBB pro card without drugs even if you have the best genetics in the world , but you can get a Pro card with ton of drugs and subpar genetics

(http://www.pumpingironmag.org/odd/attachment.php?attachmentid=4701&d=1241229442)(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/flcmwmgeh24/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6151693&d=1378009432)


(http://proteinfart.proteinfart.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/20seju11.jpg)

Yep pretty much

In today’s pro bbing looks like anyone can turn pro
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 19, 2017, 10:20:11 PM
::) drugs are 80% genetics 20% ,you will never get an IFBB pro card without drugs even if you have the best genetics in the world , but you can get a Pro card with ton of drugs and subpar genetics

(http://www.pumpingironmag.org/odd/attachment.php?attachmentid=4701&d=1241229442)(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/flcmwmgeh24/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6151693&d=1378009432)


(http://proteinfart.proteinfart.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/20seju11.jpg)

genetics includes response to drugs, anyone just cant take drugs and develop a world class physique, some people just dont respond no matter how many drugs they take.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: BSN on October 19, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
Especially in the arms, legs area..  If you don't have good genetics there, you can not do miracles, even as pro bb.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 20, 2017, 12:02:09 AM
Especially in the arms, legs area..  If you don't have good genetics there, you can not do miracles, even as pro bb.

Didn’t stop Dorian from winning multiple O’s and his arms suck in comparison to his competitors

So yes you can win shoes over more genetically gifted guys like flex, Kevin, etc.

After all bbing is a subjective “sport”

Blow enough judges in the mirage hotel you can

How do you explain guys like Kevin English winning the first 202 Olympia hahaha
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: AbrahamG on October 20, 2017, 12:07:32 AM
Didn’t stop Dorian from winning multiple O’s and his arms suck in comparison to his competitors

So yes you can win shoes over more genetically gifted guys like flex, Kevin, etc.

After all bbing is a subjective “sport”

Blow enough judges in the mirage hotel you can

How do you explain guys like Kevin English winning the first 202 Olympia hahaha

Kevin English is one of the most hideous looking bag of smashed assholes the bodybuilding world has ever seen.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: BSN on October 20, 2017, 01:11:43 AM
^^
Dorian had good arms before biceps injury (and his triceps shot was really amazing next to others),  clearly better arms than Haney about nobody talks ..
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Primemuscle on October 20, 2017, 01:14:18 AM
I got a question for the board.

Do you think the only thing holding you back from becoming pro status is drugs and commitment?

ie, genetics secondary?

Genetics are primary.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 20, 2017, 01:14:45 AM
^^
Dorian had good arms before biceps injury (and his triceps shot was really amazing next to others),  clearly better arms than Haney about nobody talks ..

they both had bad arms

all torso with dorian being back dominate and haney being more chest dominate
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: BSN on October 20, 2017, 01:31:28 AM
Yates > arms, legs, back in overall details
Haney > waist and chest
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 20, 2017, 01:34:25 AM
Yates > arms, legs, back in details
Haney > waist and chest

yates and arms lulz

all back and ok legs
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 20, 2017, 07:31:41 AM
yates and arms lulz

all back and ok legs


 ::) Says the pipe cleaner arm man.
Remind us All how many competitions & Olympias you've won........













Were waiting...............
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: The Scott on October 20, 2017, 07:45:24 AM
If it was just drugs and drive, there would be THOUSANDS of mass monsters walking around.

So says the self-proclaimed ass monster of the board.

As for the OP's question, yes.  Drugs are the key but what door is opened with them is based upon a few factors of which genetic ability is a primary one.  Genetic ability to respond to drug protocols is a biggie as are the length and shape of muscle bellies.  Bone structure is another.  Perhaps the most overlooked is the genetic ability to abuse oneself without dying.

Just ask Dallas McCarver.

Anyone that claims drugs are not the key need only look at the hideous sHebeasts that Hippo & Herne adore to see that the are in fact, the primary ingredient in the slimordial soup  that drives this pastime.






Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 20, 2017, 07:52:35 AM
So says the self-proclaimed ass monster of the board.

As for the OP's question, yes.  Drugs are the key but what door is opened with them is based upon a few factors of which genetic ability is a primary one.  Genetic ability to respond to drug protocols is a biggie as are the length and shape of muscle bellies.  Bone structure is another.  Perhaps the most overlooked is the genetic ability to abuse oneself without dying.

Just ask Dallas McCarver.

Anyone that claims drugs are not the key need only look at the hideous sHebeasts that Hippo & Herne adore to see that the are in fact, the primary ingredient in the slimordial soup  that drives this pastime.




That Fagg@tt Bum Bandit is a self Proclaimed Expert Under another name on this board
or so IT says.

Just ignore IT & maybe IT will Catch aids - Arse injected death sentence - aptly named by some.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 20, 2017, 08:12:27 AM

 ::) Says the pipe cleaner arm man.
Remind us All how many competitions & Olympias you've won........













Were waiting...............

weight to arm ratio i kick his fucking ass

me: 170-16.5 inch arms

him: 265-17.25 inch arms

BABABBABABBBABBABBABANBN NNHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHQHHABBB ABABA
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Mr Anabolic on October 20, 2017, 08:18:37 AM
So says the self-proclaimed ass monster of the board.

As for the OP's question, yes.  Drugs are the key but what door is opened with them is based upon a few factors of which genetic ability is a primary one.  Genetic ability to respond to drug protocols is a biggie as are the length and shape of muscle bellies.  Bone structure is another.  Perhaps the most overlooked is the genetic ability to abuse oneself without dying.

Just ask Dallas McCarver.

Anyone that claims drugs are not the key need only look at the hideous sHebeasts that Hippo & Herne adore to see that the are in fact, the primary ingredient in the slimordial soup  that drives this pastime.

^^^This
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 20, 2017, 01:46:27 PM
Can anyone become a monster, etc.? Yes. Can anyone actually achieve a timeless physique? No. Kind of depends on your definition really. Will you be satisfied with your look/keep your look as you grow? That is genetics really, but to achieve pro status in todays day and age it is basically drugs as there are tons of guys who look like junk but are pros. I'm tired so hopefully that makes sense.

I'm 170 lbs, been training for 30 years. Always been a stubborn ectomorph. No way a hardcore stack would even get me to a lean 200.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 20, 2017, 01:53:36 PM
weight to arm ratio i kick his fucking ass

me: 170-16.5 inch arms

him: 265-17.25 inch arms

BABABBABABBBABBABBABANBN NNHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHQHHABBB ABABA






Idiot - you think Dorian had 17 inch arms.

Oh & we're Still Waiting.............
How many comps & Olympia's have you won...........??
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 20, 2017, 02:10:25 PM
I'm 170 lbs, been training for 30 years. Always been a stubborn ectomorph. No way a hardcore stack would even get me to a lean 200.

That’s the thing, you never tried a hardcore drug stack

Flex wheeler is a good example of an ecto
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Tarantula157 on October 20, 2017, 02:13:28 PM
Posting pictures of former pros who stopped training and dieting completely and/or had health issues doesn't prove anything. If a natural BB stop training and dieting he would lose his gains and look like an average person too.
Kai Greene,Shawn Clarida,Jose Raymond etc. were all champions in Natural BB before they started taking drugs. Juice will only make a bigger version of what you already have. If you have elite genetics you'd be a top pro,if you have shitty genetics you'd still look like shit,just bigger than before.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 20, 2017, 02:19:14 PM
That’s the thing, you never tried a hardcore drug stack

Flex wheeler is a good example of an ecto

try the anabolic matrix (gear, hgh, slin, igf, epo) by courtesy of doc huge

itll make ya "big" but "big" isnt always best  ;)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 20, 2017, 02:21:20 PM
Posting pictures of former pros who stopped training and dieting completely and/or had health issues doesn't prove anything. If a natural BB stop training and dieting he would lose his gains and look like an average person too.
Kai Greene,Shawn Clarida,Jose Raymond etc. were all champions in Natural BB before they started taking drugs. Juice will only make a bigger version of what you already have. If you have elite genetics you'd be a top pro,if you have shitty genetics you'd still look like shit,just bigger than before.

Agreed. The pros represent a small % of the population that are extreme responders.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: che on October 20, 2017, 02:59:56 PM
The pros represent a small % of the population that are extreme drug abusers

Fixed
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 20, 2017, 07:39:31 PM
Agreed. The pros represent a small % of the population that are extreme responders.

Nope

I’m willing to bet the the myth of “extreme responders” in the general population is much greater

Bbing is a subculture, kids growing up would rather play basketball, football, etc

Elite genetics to play a real pro sport is much rarer
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Chidoman on October 20, 2017, 08:13:40 PM
Agreed. The pros represent a small % of the population that are extreme responders.

Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 20, 2017, 08:29:41 PM
I'm 170 lbs, been training for 30 years. Always been a stubborn ectomorph. No way a hardcore stack would even get me to a lean 200.
   bullshit unless your 5,3 what hardcore stack have you tried maybe me and the boys can figure this out. I guarantee to you 2gm test 1 gram deca a strong oral 4 weeks on and off insulin 40ius a few day a week don't start there but work up to it the insulin and oral are the most important part for breaking the ground
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 20, 2017, 08:42:50 PM
Anyone with out serious health problems can get to near pro size faster then people think with the right drugs I don't mean start the that way work your way up over 6 months to a year you don't have to have  a test base but it's the easiest cheapest way then a high dose oral and slin 4 weeks on of ot run the slin 2,3 times a week
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 20, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
I got a question for the board.

Do you think the only thing holding you back from becoming pro status is drugs and commitment?

ie, genetics secondary?

no!

no! no! no!

it is genetic respond to hormones that hold some back,,

you can hav eall the hormones in the world and you will only get bigger and uglier.. yo umay be lean but you wont get no pro card my friendly friend,,

it is the genetic respond that need to be there and then symmetry will help.. balance will help.. used to be very important now much less lol but it is the genetic respond to the hormones.. and then the ability to sustain high doses and no its not 13 gram like retard pupil of mine baskin robins said it is much less it is in the 6-8 gram zone for the largest fellas.. legit! hormones that is

as i always say and said.. if you don't see a pro card potential at 2 grams you will never see it with 4 or with 6

you will know if you go fpr a pro card at 2000 mg mark.. somewhere around there with some fda gh of high quality since all together now pupolinos..

fda gh is not! created equal.. blue top saizen wipe floor with humatrope for example..  <-- as you can see since the days of positive rate of fat and bloofie and balonie i learned to use the bold icons too lol


GENETIC RESPOND TO HORMONES IS WHERE ITS ALL AT

then training and diet and actually competing and not becoming a gymazium rat who doesn't compete..

and thennnnn luck.. yesyes luck has a lot to do with you being at the right place the right time

doses matter only if you got the genetic respond to the hormones and if the hormones are not legit then no amount of luck or doses will matters lol


gh15 approved
lion of Judah
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 20, 2017, 08:49:42 PM
Gh15 in the house good to see you posting
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 20, 2017, 09:00:02 PM
^thnks

what happened to 240? he ddnt come out of the hole since president trump amazing victory? he stil post here? im from the days of blockhead and quad father and disgusted and coach i think they are here the last 2,, i know chiwi is back sometimes and bobbie lurk lol

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 20, 2017, 09:20:09 PM
I been gone a while to had some personal troubles started drinking heavy had a some seizures died I was 300+lbs at the time it's been 2 years since any lifting I'm getting ready to start back in the next week if I get my gears this week or next. I don't know how I'm going to take it I like being real big but I'm 40 now and it was hell for the hospital people dealing with me at that size
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 20, 2017, 09:22:39 PM
Haven't seen stavios or tbomz I think k tbomz may have got in serious legal trouble really serious in prison for life don't quote me on that though
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 21, 2017, 12:32:03 AM
my pupil stavio has been missing from gh15 too.. he wwas banned but then he just fell off earth.. he was a nice fella truly was a nice Canadian fella when taking everything into consideration,, had a good heart and good intentions over all,,

tbom lol is he still around?

what about my pupil flinston? is he still around i havent heard from him long time since he was ummm 34? lol the kid who never got old lol he was ok though

there are bunch of the youngr fellas that are now probably in their 30s lol only beside flinston he shall for ever be 19-20 years old,,

i see i have a new hater on here sergatos or something.. probably got kicked out of gh15 for god knows why.. they all throw it on me.. whomever is banned over there boom throw it on poor old loj,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Top Poodle on October 21, 2017, 12:35:03 AM
throw it on poor old loj,,

not that old at 47...

 ;)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 21, 2017, 11:05:39 AM
Oh tbomz caught aids and is a religious fanatic with nice looking black girl you can't right this shit that's all true though
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: cobra333 on October 21, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
Genetics. All day.   True meaning of genetics.  Besides height.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 21, 2017, 08:10:01 PM
hormones has a hell of a lot to do with it as i said back a generation ago in 2006.. hormones is a huge factor in one ability to become advance bodybuild,, LEGIT! hormones

there are many liars and fakes who built real castles on my teachings and bible who got very rich from it and took it and twisted it.. but! the key was always legit hormones of high quality,,

i will with time since i just got back not even a day ago permenantly but i will open your eyes and minds into the world of bodybuild behind the scenes only like i gh15 can do,,


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 22, 2017, 12:29:08 AM
hormones has a hell of a lot to do with it as i said back a generation ago in 2006.. hormones is a huge factor in one ability to become advance bodybuild,, LEGIT! hormones, Not like the crap kigs I promoted & made $ from.

I am the biggest liar and faker who built real castle on my Nonsense and bible I got very rich from it and took it and twisted it.. but! the key was always finding dumb newbies to sell scam kigs hormones of no quality,,

i will with time since i just got back not even a day ago permenantly but i will open your eyes and minds into the world of Fraud & Judus behind the scenes only like i Fraud & Judas15 can do,,

Fraud & Judas15 approved



Fixed . It now reads truthfully


Try again Fraud & Judas 15
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 12:39:48 AM
illuminati..

another account with 3000 postings who is very mad.. why are you mad.. explain to me what is it behind the anger and madness..

if it was really what you thought about me you woudnt even respond to me.. but you sound hurt like the other fella.. now is it because you were banned from the site? is one of the power hungry moderators banned you and then you think its me?

I dont get it.. we already been tru this balonie you talk here about 13 years of me lol it is a life time you talk here about straight out a life time not 13 months but almost a decade and a half lol

you tell me what really is hurting behind that nice 3000 post account of yours and I may be able to unban the pain lol


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 22, 2017, 02:53:43 AM
Nope

I’m willing to bet the the myth of “extreme responders” in the general population is much greater

Bbing is a subculture, kids growing up would rather play basketball, football, etc

Elite genetics to play a real pro sport is much rarer

If it's all drugs then why can't professional women bodybuilders match the size of men's competition?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: sceagacros on October 22, 2017, 03:57:02 AM
If it's all drugs then why can't professional women bodybuilders match the size of men's competition?

Very interesting point.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: lilhawk1 on October 22, 2017, 08:44:59 AM
If it's all drugs then why can't professional women bodybuilders match the size of men's competition?

Because they are women.  There are still genetic limits on what can be accomplished.  If this were the case, then why doesn't every guy that takes hormones attain the size and density of Dorian Yates?  Ronnie Coleman? 
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 22, 2017, 09:06:42 AM
Because they are women.  There are still genetic limits on what can be accomplished.  If this were the case, then why doesn't every guy that takes hormones attain the size and density of Dorian Yates?  Ronnie Coleman? 

We cant get legit Kigtropin
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 22, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
illuminati..

another account with 3000 postings who is very mad.. why are you mad.. explain to me what is it behind the anger and madness..

if it was really what you thought about me you woudnt even respond to me.. but you sound hurt like the other fella.. now is it because you were banned from the site? is one of the power hungry moderators banned you and then you think its me?

I dont get it.. we already been tru this balonie you talk here about 13 years of me lol it is a life time you talk here about straight out a life time not 13 months but almost a decade and a half lol

you tell me what really is hurting behind that nice 3000 post account of yours and I may be able to unban the pain lol


gh15 approved



Try Harder Fraud & Judas 15.

Your are so irrelevant.

You sound like a BITCH WHINNING.

Wrong yet again i'm not hurting Quite the opposite i'm having Fun Taunting a Fraud & Judas
You try and wriggle out of all the scams you carry out Blaming others

By the same measure what is Hurting you --- Oh let me Guess People not falling for
Your Pathetic act or your scams - How many others have you Grassed on. Judas.

WTF Drivel are you going on about un-ban me from what ???

Please explain how the No. of posts changes anything.


Fraud & Judas
Exposed.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SF1900 on October 22, 2017, 09:49:57 AM
Gh15,

Was Wes a loyal Elf?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 10:58:23 AM


Try Harder Fraud & Judas 15.

Your are so irrelevant.

You sound like a BITCH WHINNING.

Wrong yet again i'm not hurting Quite the opposite i'm having Fun Taunting a Fraud & Judas
You try and wriggle out of all the scams you carry out Blaming others

By the same measure what is Hurting you --- Oh let me Guess People not falling for
Your Pathetic act or your scams - How many others have you Grassed on. Judas.

WTF Drivel are you going on about un-ban me from what ???

Please explain how the No. of posts changes anything.


Fraud & Judas
Exposed.

i say you can be unbanned on my site,, you obviously hurt it can be read between your words.. no oen can blame someone with a lie like you do and not be tremendesly hurt for something done to him on my site by a moderator or something of the like,,

no sane individual would be going on for 6 years blaming the innocent of some bad shit that happened to them because they are too scared to blame drug dealers like ip and professional scam muscle

i will be willing to talk to you in a mature way and unban you because you seem like you have 3000 posting so you care about bodybuild somewhat i would hope.. let me know the name and it will be unbanned if! it was done by a power hungry mod..

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 11:01:34 AM
If it's all drugs then why can't professional women bodybuilders match the size of men's competition?

becaue they are females.. they are weaker.. they have less testosterone naturally and by nature was made to be smaller and weaker and dependent on males.. but you wont know it if you are part of generation nothingnss and i warned about it here a generation ago back in 2006 i wa sshouting this on here none stop in between writing the bible.. infact along the years i included it as part of the bible

social and cultural decline that i warned about in detail,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: delta9mda on October 22, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
Lee looks better there than he did when turned pro.
about as wide as heath
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 11:59:06 AM
Gh15,

Was Wes a loyal Elf?

wes is a good fella.. he is excellent bodybuild that doesn't balonie you with shit compliments,, if he think you look great he will say the word great,, if he think you look only good he will say the word good,, he will use the exact word to describe your look with out balonie around it

and he is a member and athlete on gh15 that is liked by everyone,, i to this day never  hear a bad word about him.. not even once from anyone not here and not on gh15,,


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: delta9mda on October 22, 2017, 12:01:35 PM
Gh15, what was yates stack?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 12:16:27 PM
^dorian used anything he could get his hands on like any other advance bodybuild he atleast experimented with it and he was one of the first to realy bring the size in,,

he used

testosterona  and took it to the next level dose wize
growth hormone both cadavars and syntethic
trenbolona ace
masterona
nandrolona and equipoise depending on the timing of shows
insulina
this was base

oral usge was also large
anadrol
halotestin
dianabol
winstrol but again he liked to lift heavy and winstrol is realy like bobbie said finishing touch it really is not meant to be used by heavy lifters all year long only before stage if used both the inject and the orals need to be used correctly!


diuretics were used but i prefer not to talk about which ones but he was very good with usge of diuretic and was ready for them when applied he did not use them when high bodyfat to try to get in condition.. he used them at the right time when little could go long way like it should and it was never underground garbage only phamacutical grade

he used underground but it was only for specific products and again there are chefs and then there are chefs.. some are horrid.. infact majority are horrid and the few that are great,,

don't forget that dorian also have great genetic respond to the legit hormones he used,, he actually had great respond and train and ate accordingly,, he was an old time bodybuild with heavy lifting who loved to lift.. he loved to push iron like a bodybuild should in my opinion,, i believ bodybuild should be able to lift serious weight and this is why i never gave much respect to philsulina eventhough he is pretty much built on my bible straight out


gh15 approved
lion of Judah 
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 12:22:51 PM
^dorian used anything he could get his hands on like any other advance bodybuild he atleast experimented with it and he was one of the first to realy bring the size in,,

he used

testosterona  and took it to the next level dose wize
growth hormone both cadavars and syntethic
trenbolona ace
masterona
nandrolona and equipoise depending on the timing of shows
insulina
this was base

oral usge was also large
anadrol
halotestin
dianabol
winstrol but again he liked to lift heavy and winstrol is realy like bobbie said finishing touch it really is not meant to be used by heavy lifters all year long only before stage if used both the inject and the orals need to be used correctly!


diuretics were used but i prefer not to talk about which ones but he was very good with usge of diuretic and was ready for them when applied he did not use them when high bodyfat to try to get in condition.. he used them at the right time when little could go long way like it should and it was never underground garbage only phamacutical grade

he used underground but it was only for specific products and again there are chefs and then there are chefs.. some are horrid.. infact majority are horrid and the few that are great,,

don't forget that dorian also have great genetic respond to the legit hormones he used,, he actually had great respond and train and ate accordingly,, he was an old time bodybuild with heavy lifting who loved to lift.. he loved to push iron like a bodybuild should in my opinion,, i believ bodybuild should be able to lift serious weight and this is why i never gave much respect to philsulina eventhough he is pretty much built on my bible straight out


gh15 approved
lion of Judah 

Im pretty sure Dorian never really revealed what he was taking to anyone.

Your post is total hearsay....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 12:24:15 PM
^youre local you don't count..

you do post nicely though,,

with love,,
gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
^youre local you don't count..

you do post nicely though,,

with love,,
gh15 approved

I have talked many times with a very close friend of Dorians, Dorian didnt share his stack with him.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
and this is exactly why they ask me

i also don't say everything there i say most of what he used,, i have senses and as you all know my site is very against drugs i personaly brought down drugs to minimum in athletics along the years and I'm loved for it where it counts,, so while i say most of what he used in the 90s i don't say everything he used,,

again nothing wil lmater if your genetic respond is not great,, in order to be an ifbb professional your genetic respond to hormones must be very very good and also the tolerance to hormones,,


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: che on October 22, 2017, 12:38:51 PM
in order to be an ifbb professional your genetic respond to hormones must be very very good and also the tolerance to hormones,,



X2

The question was genetics vs drugs , it all comes down to drugs in the end .
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 22, 2017, 12:50:04 PM
^dorian used anything he could get his hands on like any other advance bodybuild he atleast experimented with it and he was one of the first to realy bring the size in,,

he used

testosterona  and took it to the next level dose wize
growth hormone both cadavars and syntethic
trenbolona ace
masterona
nandrolona and equipoise depending on the timing of shows
insulina
this was base

oral usge was also large
anadrol
halotestin
dianabol
winstrol but again he liked to lift heavy and winstrol is realy like bobbie said finishing touch it really is not meant to be used by heavy lifters all year long only before stage if used both the inject and the orals need to be used correctly!


diuretics were used but i prefer not to talk about which ones but he was very good with usge of diuretic and was ready for them when applied he did not use them when high bodyfat to try to get in condition.. he used them at the right time when little could go long way like it should and it was never underground garbage only phamacutical grade

he used underground but it was only for specific products and again there are chefs and then there are chefs.. some are horrid.. infact majority are horrid and the few that are great,,

don't forget that dorian also have great genetic respond to the legit hormones he used,, he actually had great respond and train and ate accordingly,, he was an old time bodybuild with heavy lifting who loved to lift.. he loved to push iron like a bodybuild should in my opinion,, i believ bodybuild should be able to lift serious weight and this is why i never gave much respect to philsulina eventhough he is pretty much built on my bible straight out


Fraud&Judas15 approved
Imbecile of Judah 


FFS - Give it up
What Idiotic Drivel

I know who was training with Dorian & His Sponsor
They Sponsored  5 Bodybuilders
Also Carrying out Bood Tests.

I can name the 5 & The Sponsors & Years.

Can You.? Name just one other than Dorian
Name the Sponsors.?
What Years.?

We're Waiting - Back up Your Big Claims

Fraud & Judas15
Exposed
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:48 PM
^you know nothing about no one,, you are a hearsay.. a local.. a wanna be..

you are the result of siting too long on a forum playing with ballz..

instead of doing the local mr no where to be found city try to learn something,, and if you all you say you are which you are not! you will pm me and tell me who you are either here or on my site and we can go from there,,

dismised,,
gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 22, 2017, 01:03:10 PM
^you know nothing about no one,, you are a hearsay.. a local.. a wanna be..

you are the result of siting too long on a forum playing with ballz..

instead of doing the local mr no where to be found city try to learn something,, and if you all you say you are which you are not! you will pm me and tell me who you are either here or on my site and we can go from there,,

dismised,,
Fraud&Judas15 Been Caught Out.



YOU CANT HA HA  YET AGAIN YOUR EXPOSED

YOU CANT NAME ANY ONE OR ANY OF IT.

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WENT A LITTLE FURTHER THAN LOCAL

WHAT EXACTLY HAVE YOU COMPETED IN.
OTHER THAN FRAUD & SCAMS

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.



FFS - Give it up
What Idiotic Drivel

I know who was training with Dorian & His Sponsor
They Sponsored  5 Bodybuilders
Also Carrying out Bood Tests.

I can name the 5 & The Sponsors & Years.

Can You.? Name just one other than Dorian
Name the Sponsors.?
What Years.?

We're Waiting - Back up Your Big Claims

Fraud & Judas15
Exposed
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 22, 2017, 01:05:13 PM
dullian clamied he used no more than 1.5 grams of gear a week
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 01:07:51 PM


bla bla and the some more blubblub..




^local.. this is what you are.. a local

see the other thread respond of mine,, having few accounts and playing on few steroid holes on the internet don't unlocal you..

you are a local my friend,,

if you claim to be more than a local then pm me here or on my site and we shall talk,,

other than that i see you as a flea,, local flea lol


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 01:09:49 PM
dullian clamied he used no more than 1.5 grams of gear a week

testosterona he used in the 1-2 gram range yes,, the total was more 


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 22, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
testosterona he used in the 1-2 gram range yes,, the total was more 


gh15 approved

seems that the general rule (from all the shit i read) that 3-5 grams of gear a week is top dose, and moee than that is overkill

is that right?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 22, 2017, 01:19:33 PM

^local.. this is what you are.. a local

see the other thread respond of mine,, having few accounts and playing on few steroid holes on the internet don't unlocal you..

you are a local my friend,,

if you claim to be more than a local then pm me here or on my site and we shall talk,,

other than that i see you as a flea,, local flea lol

Fraud& Judas15 EXPOSED




YOU CANT HA HA  YET AGAIN YOUR EXPOSED

YOU CANT NAME ANY ONE OR ANY OF IT.

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WENT A LITTLE FURTHER THAN LOCAL

WHAT EXACTLY HAVE YOU COMPETED IN.
OTHER THAN FRAUD & SCAMS

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.




Answer The Questions Mr Worm know-it-all.........
We're Still Waiting.......

Local or not That's Still More Than You've Achieved

YOU MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT DORIAN - BACK IT UP - Oh YOU CANNOT.


Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Ted SuperSet on October 22, 2017, 01:21:22 PM
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Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
dullian clamied he used no more than 1.5 grams of gear a week
go away grown ups are talking....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: doggler on October 22, 2017, 02:23:11 PM


Synthol is the only way for you.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
Synthol is the only way for you.

careful, hes certainly daft enough.....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 22, 2017, 02:37:46 PM
Why some of the dumbasses on here that listen to gh15 is beyond me haha
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 22, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
Because they are women.  There are still genetic limits on what can be accomplished.  If this were the case, then why doesn't every guy that takes hormones attain the size and density of Dorian Yates?  Ronnie Coleman? 

That's my point. You have a genetic limit to how much you can hypertrophy, and drugs can't change that.  The amount of hypertrophy can also vary considerably from individual to individual.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 22, 2017, 03:03:14 PM
 Yes but very few honestly take 5-6 grams and enough gh insulin all together and heavy orals it's still far and few in between
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 22, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
That's my point. You have a genetic limit to how much you can hypertrophy, and drugs can't change that.  The amount of hypertrophy can also vary considerably from individual to individual.

Why don’t you try a pro stack and get back to us

Keep in mind these pros the majority are all under 5’10, so tell me naturally how big they really are without drugs?

Flex wheeler is 170 tops at 5’10 without drugs

Dexter started out as a bantam at 5’6

All these guys are tiny without drugs with or without their genetics
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 03:32:28 PM
^we are all lean to begin with or fat but chunky fat with muscle on us,,

all of us that become pros have good igf numbers to begin with and or respond very well to hormones,,

also to your other question why would they listen to me? I wrote the bible I am god in their world and in any one who ever been to a bodybuidl show,, G O D

this is why they listen to what I say everywhere I give my presense no matter who it is they all listen very carefully,,

using a pro stack wont do shit for you if you don't have great genetic respond like we do,, end of case,, it may grow you into a gymazium rat like many who climed on my fame along the years but it wont make you into a pro.. atleast not ifbb professional,, maybe today you can get by with some title who knows with this generation nothingness which become dominant all around you now days,, back in my time it wasn't that dominant,,

gh15 approved

 
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 03:34:23 PM
^we are all lean to begin with or fat but chunky fat with muscle on us,,

all of us that become pros have good igf numbers to begin with and or respond very well to hormones,,

also to your other question why would they listen to me? I wrote the bible I am god in their world and in any one who ever been to a bodybuidl show,, G O D

this is why they listen to what I say everywhere I give my presense no matter who it is they all listen very carefully,,

using a pro stack wont do shit for you if you don't have great genetic respond like we do,, end of case,, it may grow you into a gymazium rat like many who climed on my fame along the years but it wont make you into a pro.. atleast not ifbb professional,, maybe today you can get by with some title who knows with this generation nothingness which become dominant all around you now days,, back in my time it wasn't that dominant,,

gh15 approved

gh15 approved

can someone please put a stop to this bullshit....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 22, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Why don’t you try a pro stack and get back to us

Keep in mind these pros the majority are all under 5’10, so tell me naturally how big they really are without drugs?

Flex wheeler is 170 tops at 5’10 without drugs

Dexter started out as a bantam at 5’6

All these guys are tiny without drugs with or without their genetics

Again, it's the potential and response to drugs. It doesn't matter how small you start.

You're telling me what's stopping the average guy from responding like Wheeler or Levrone is a stack? Come on man.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 03:42:52 PM
can someone please put a stop to this bullshit....


^saying the retard who was no where to be found in some country club wanna be bodybuild when i wrote the bible..

who the fuck are you to say anything about what i put on here?

hating gets you no where,, jelousy gets you no where either,, and obviously your hormones got you absolitly no where in the ladder of whatever uk organization you did your local show at,,

idiot

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 03:46:44 PM

^saying the retard who was no where to be found in some country club wanna be bodybuild when i wrote the bible..

who the fuck are you to say anything about what i put on here?

hating gets you no where,, jelousy gets you no where either,, and obviously your hormones got you absolitly no where in the ladder of whatever uk organization you did your local show at,,

idiot

gh15 approved

If I stepped onstage and placed dead last and posted a picture I have still achieved more than you.

Evidence backs up your claims mr bullshit artist.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 03:48:21 PM
Again, it's the potential and response to drugs. It doesn't matter how small you start.

You're telling me what's stopping the average guy from responding like Wheeler or Levrone is a stack? Come on man.

lean doesn't mean small..

you take half the fat off the typical American retard and you stay with smaller individuals than a lean kido that become future pro..

get it in your head its the doses that grow us

it is the genetic respond that makes us pros

get it in your head already after 13 years,,

doses matter.. only if the hormones are legit and only if your genetic respond is great,, if not you may get bigger indeed but you will end up like upthere you know saying oh i don't use a lot i use this little here and there.. he say it because he cant grow.. it is a problem of many amatuers that their genetic respond to hormones simply sux.. i don't know how to describe it in other more polite wording,,

genetic respond is what matter on your way to a pro card and thennnnn the doses come into play

and ofcourse if you are sold rubbish bunk underdose agent yes or other individual i will name soon enough.. if you use their bunk or selective scam shit you will also look like that and shall forever sit in some no where to be found gymazium playing with the local whore circa 2017... only this time the local whore will be a transexual,,


gh15 approved
lion of Judah
bible index
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
lean doesn't mean small..

you take half the fat off the typical American retard and you stay with smaller individuals than a lean kido that become future pro..

get it in your head its the doses that grow us

it is the genetic respond that makes us pros

get it in your head already after 13 years,,

doses matter.. only if the hormones are legit and only if your genetic respond is great,, if not you may get bigger indeed but you will end up like upthere you know saying oh i don't use a lot i use this little here and there.. he say it because he cant grow.. it is a problem of many amatuers that their genetic respond to hormones simply sux.. i don't know how to describe it in other more polite wording,,

genetic respond is what matter on your way to a pro card and thennnnn the doses come into play

and ofcourse if you are sold rubbish bunk underdose agent yes or other individual i will name soon enough.. if you use their bunk or selective scam shit you will also look like that and shall forever sit in some no where to be found gymazium playing with the local whore circa 2017... only this time the local whore will be a transexual,,


gh15 approved
lion of Judah
bible index

and not a single mention of tolerance to side effects.

Some fucking guru.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 03:51:17 PM
If I stepped onstage and placed dead last and posted a picture I have still achieved more than you.

Evidence backs up your claims mr bullshit artist.

you are 2 dimentional flat physiqe i doubt you can win a local city show unless you go very low in weight,, I'm being serious,, and you achievd nothing so have some respect,, you talking to me here not to some kidos on the few holes you spent you time in,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 22, 2017, 03:52:48 PM
you are 2 dimentional flat physiqe i doubt you can win a local city show unless you go very low in weight,, I'm being serious,, and you achievd nothing so have some respect,, you talking to me here not to some kidos on the few holes you spent you time in,,

gh15 approved

Fuck me its joon.

Dismissed.....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 03:53:37 PM
and not a single mention of tolerance to side effects.

Some fucking guru.

read the bible and i wrote about it in the last few hours on other threads..

getting old didn't do well for your eyes,,  


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 22, 2017, 04:10:53 PM


get it in your head its the doses that grow us



If you took a random sample of 100 young beginner trainees, and you supervised all the workouts, drug regimen, recovery, etc.And you had all the time you wanted to take this, you would find (IMO) that most would get marginal results that are good but not pro level, and a few would be close and some would shock you like they never even trained.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 04:18:43 PM
^as long as the hormones are legit yes, i don't like to call it drugs

drugs = narcotics that i took out of this sport long ago,, well not took out but reduced significantly due to my presense and acknoleged by the American administration by this,, the current administration in America love me straightout LOVE ME,, it is some of the druggies and drug dealers that hate me..

but yes as long as the hormones are legit you will see a pro in the making at the 2 gram point,, somewhere around 2000 mg is where you will see wether you will have a chance at competing for a pro card or not,, I'm talking here 5'9 5'10 heights..

gh15 approved
lion of Judah
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 22, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
read the bible and i wrote about it in the last few hours on other threads..

getting old didn't do well for your eyes,,  

Fraud&Judas15 approved




HEY FOOL
RUN AWAY
GETTING OLD HASNT DONE MUCH TO IMPROVE
YOUR ABILTY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS

YOU HAVNT EVEN GOT A 1 DIMENSIONAL PHYSIQUE
YOU'VE NEVER COMPETED.


FFS - Give it up
What Idiotic Drivel

I know who was training with Dorian & His Sponsor
They Sponsored  5 Bodybuilders
Also Carrying out Bood Tests.

I can name the 5 & The Sponsors & Years.

Can You.? Name just one other than Dorian
Name the Sponsors.?
What Years.?

We're Waiting - Back up Your Big Claims

Fraud & Judas15
Exposed
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: chess315 on October 22, 2017, 05:11:35 PM



HEY FOOL
RUN AWAY
GETTING OLD HASNT DONE MUCH TO IMPROVE
YOUR ABILTY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS

YOU HAVNT EVEN GOT A 1 DIMENSIONAL PHYSIQUE
YOU'VE NEVER COMPETED.


FFS - Give it up
What Idiotic Drivel

I know who was training with Dorian & His Sponsor
They Sponsored  5 Bodybuilders
Also Carrying out Bood Tests.

I can name the 5 & The Sponsors & Years.

Can You.? Name just one other than Dorian
Name the Sponsors.?
What Years.?

We're Waiting - Back up Your Big Claims

Fraud & Judas15
Exposed
are at least to of the guys dead ?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: illuminati on October 22, 2017, 05:25:33 PM
are at least to of the guys dead ?


No.
All are Alive.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 22, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
If it's all drugs then why can't professional women bodybuilders match the size of men's competition?

If it's all genetics then why can't professional women bodybuilders match the size of men's competition?



I love this place   (Arnold's voice )


WoooSHHHHHHHHH   LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 22, 2017, 06:06:45 PM
If it's all genetics then why can't professional women bodybuilders match the size of men's competition?



I love this place   (Arnold's voice )


WoooSHHHHHHHHH   LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Wooooooosh your way to Arnoldhood , my friend 😃

Oh yeah. Arnold was hungrier than the rest.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 22, 2017, 06:31:12 PM
Again, it's the potential and response to drugs. It doesn't matter how small you start.

You're telling me what's stopping the average guy from responding like Wheeler or Levrone is a stack? Come on man.

There are a lot more reg people that will respond as good as Kevin or flex, it’s just that bbing is a subculture and no one cares, many kids aspire to play real pro sports, bbers are a very small number to sample with

Phil Heath said it best, he said in one of his interviews that he would have loved to go pro playing basketball but he wasn’t good enough

If flex’s genetics is so great he wouldn’t have ran into severe health problems like needing a new kidney, that’s def not good “tolerance genetics” for bbing

I’m not saying anyone can turn pro easily and do well, I am saying the phrase genetics is thrown around too much and some think bbers are god send or something special

In reality they are not, real sports athletes like Michael Phelps, Michael Jordan, mayweather, tom Brady, those are the truly genetic elite, not guys that depend and take boatload of drugs to maintain a physique
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 22, 2017, 06:36:33 PM
Again, it's the potential and response to drugs. It doesn't matter how small you start.

You're telling me what's stopping the average guy from responding like Wheeler or Levrone is a stack? Come on man.

And to answer your question what’s stopping the average guy? They have an actual brain and don’t give two shits about being a drug addict, they rather aspire to become real pro athletes, or choose to be in a more respected career path
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 22, 2017, 06:43:25 PM

If you took a random sample of 100 young beginner trainees, and you supervised all the workouts, drug regimen, recovery, etc.And you had all the time you wanted to take this, you would find (IMO) that most would get marginal results that are good but not pro level, and a few would be close and some would shock you like they never even trained.

Dan hill is a pro....
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: gh15 on October 22, 2017, 07:12:23 PM
And to answer your question what’s stopping the average guy? They have an actual brain and don’t give two shits about being a drug addict, they rather aspire to become real pro athletes, or choose to be in a more respected career path

wrong,,

most fellas would straight out die to be in my shoes or arnodl shoes or zane shoes or Jason shoes or any success story... would die and died to get there,, many fail it again related to more than just the ability to lift weight.. lifting weight is only part of what make a bodybuild an di benn saying it from 2005 xmas night,,

also we are not drug addicts.. we use hormones.. i don't know who you been around but the ones with longevity and i am one never used drugs period,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 22, 2017, 08:16:24 PM
Synthol is the only way for you.

post your pic shit breath

heres mine  ;)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 22, 2017, 08:46:56 PM
There are a lot more reg people that will respond as good as Kevin or flex, it’s just that bbing is a subculture and no one cares, many kids aspire to play real pro sports, bbers are a very small number to sample with

Phil Heath said it best, he said in one of his interviews that he would have loved to go pro playing basketball but he wasn’t good enough

If flex’s genetics is so great he wouldn’t have ran into severe health problems like needing a new kidney, that’s def not good “tolerance genetics” for bbing

I’m not saying anyone can turn pro easily and do well, I am saying the phrase genetics is thrown around too much and some think bbers are god send or something special

In reality they are not, real sports athletes like Michael Phelps, Michael Jordan, mayweather, tom Brady, those are the truly genetic elite, not guys that depend and take boatload of drugs to maintain a physique

I can't believe what you're saying brother
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 22, 2017, 08:48:13 PM
post your pic shit breath

heres mine  ;)

dj,

Take the pro amount, then you'll get your pro card.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 22, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
I can't believe what you're saying brother

It’s pretty simple, actually

Each their own
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 22, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
dj,

Take the pro amount, then you'll get your pro card.

In this day and age he prob could get a pro card in men’s physique
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 22, 2017, 09:54:08 PM
dj,

Take the pro amount, then you'll get your pro card.

dont wanna be that big

i want the Marvel Suoerhero look

SPIDERMAN=5'10 167

NIGHTHAWK=5'11" 180

IRON FIST=5'11 175

BLACK PANTHER=6 FOOT 2 BILLS (TOO BIG ACTUALLY)

I am 5'11" so perfect for me is 170-180 @ 6%

waist must stay ballerina like with great V back tiny waist and nice round bubble ass 😎
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SuperTed on October 23, 2017, 03:19:37 AM
I can't believe what you're saying brother

What Bevo is saying is correct. Put it this way, out of all the men you know, how many go to the gym regularly? Out of those, how many take hormones? Out of those, how many take pro-level doses? BB is a niche subculture in which the vast majority of people make no attempt to become part of.

Do the top pro’s have good BB genetics? Yes, sure they do. However, I don’t believe that such genetics are particular rare. There are plenty of men who have similar genetics but the majority aren’t working out, let alone take insane amounts of drugs. Go to Nigeria and you’ll see plenty of fishermen who would look like Dexter or Cormier if they got into BB and pushed the envelope.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: doggler on October 23, 2017, 04:27:09 AM
Quote from: dj181
post your pic shit breath

heres mine  ;)
[/quote

OK . 

Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 23, 2017, 04:42:37 AM
Man DJ went downhill big time  :-X

Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 05:03:49 AM
Man DJ went downhill big time  :-X



nah, that pussy posted a shot of me after a spar with a 15 year boxing vet wearing mma gloves, so yeah i took a beating

I'll poat up my passport pic here in a sec, it was taken a few months after that spar, so my face isnt brusied and swollen up

this doggler is a little pussy who hides behind his keyboard and its sure he is an old memeber who is running a gutless gimmick

id fuck him up irl  ;)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 05:16:42 AM
here ya go

BALD IS BEAUTIFUL

just like Marvin Hagler  8)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: doggler on October 23, 2017, 05:48:23 AM
...
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 07:05:26 AM
...

so pussyler is fat shit shitzo

go drink yourself to death PUSSY 😘
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: doggler on October 23, 2017, 07:21:29 AM
...
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 07:49:21 AM
...

shitness frenzy

please come to poland

Id love to hurt ya

or meet me in denmark  ;)

COWARD lol

fuck ill even pay ya to get in the ring with me :-*
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: IronMeister on October 23, 2017, 08:09:37 AM
 8)
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Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 08:27:28 AM
8)
(https://s1.postimg.org/1vijgy5hzj/932-30.jpg.png)

did ya get my pm doggler  :-*
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: IronMeister on October 23, 2017, 08:56:26 AM
did ya get my pm doggler  :-*
I am not doggler sweetheart :-*
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: doggler on October 23, 2017, 09:13:46 AM
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Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 09:18:09 AM
^^^ now that one is pretty funny lol

btw, my coach is alot like josh i bet

he's a bit of a sociopath and sadist

i think i maybe landed 2 bodyshots over three 5-8,minute rounds

BRUTAL
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: IronMeister on October 23, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
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Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: doggler on October 23, 2017, 09:44:14 AM
 He loves  BBC. Can't stop talking about black boxers...
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: tres_taco_combo on October 23, 2017, 09:45:29 AM
wrong,,

most fellas would straight out die to be in my shoes or arnodl shoes or zane shoes or Jason shoes or any success story... would die and died to get there,, many fail it again related to more than just the ability to lift weight.. lifting weight is only part of what make a bodybuild an di benn saying it from 2005 xmas night,,

also we are not drug addicts.. we use hormones.. i don't know who you been around but the ones with longevity and i am one never used drugs period,,

gh15 approved

solid post
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 09:48:35 AM
white boxers suck

who was the best?

certainly not marciano, he was over rated as fuck
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: doggler on October 23, 2017, 10:21:11 AM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 23, 2017, 11:50:51 AM
white boxers suck

who was the best?

certainly not marciano, he was over rated as fuck

One of the Klitschkos
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 23, 2017, 12:08:43 PM
One of the Klitschkos


forgot about them

always liked charlie "white lightening" brown

Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ESFitness on October 23, 2017, 12:42:49 PM
What Bevo is saying is correct. Put it this way, out of all the men you know, how many go to the gym regularly? Out of those, how many take hormones? Out of those, how many take pro-level doses? BB is a niche subculture in which the vast majority of people make no attempt to become part of.

Do the top pro’s have good BB genetics? Yes, sure they do. However, I don’t believe that such genetics are particular rare. There are plenty of men who have similar genetics but the majority aren’t working out, let alone take insane amounts of drugs. Go to Nigeria and you’ll see plenty of fishermen who would look like Dexter or Cormier if they got into BB and pushed the envelope.

this is especially evident in prison. ive explained this many times before.

there are plenty of guys who go to prison who, before prison, never touched a weight. however in prison, if lucky enough to be in a prison with weights still, they begin to train... because that's what you do... usually. then what happens? some dudes grow like weeds, even on prison food and commissary.

however, when thy get out of prison, they go back to whatever they were doing before prison... meth or booze or whatever and the physique's are gone... until they go back to prison.

same is true for powerlifting. saw plenty of natural, raw, no-straps, no belts 600+lb deadlifts by guys under 220 if not under 210. including little tweaker kids weighing 140-something lbs pulling 500. big squats weren't as common. not all of us squatted, but 585 for 3 at 240 and 200mg HRT test e/2wks wasn't difficut. big benches are more rare, as not everybody understands proper technique and benches like "bodybuilders".
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 23, 2017, 12:55:28 PM
What Bevo is saying is correct. Put it this way, out of all the men you know, how many go to the gym regularly? Out of those, how many take hormones? Out of those, how many take pro-level doses? BB is a niche subculture in which the vast majority of people make no attempt to become part of.

Do the top pro’s have good BB genetics? Yes, sure they do. However, I don’t believe that such genetics are particular rare. There are plenty of men who have similar genetics but the majority aren’t working out, let alone take insane amounts of drugs. Go to Nigeria and you’ll see plenty of fishermen who would look like Dexter or Cormier if they got into BB and pushed the envelope.

Solid post, exactly what I am saying

Look how many kids play basketball and how many turn pro let  alone the next Lebron James or Kobe? Much more rare

There are def more cormiers and dexters out there than a Phelps, Peyton Manning, Ronaldo, or Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, etc

Bbing yes genetics but it’s too reliant on boatloads of drugs to maintain a physique unlike real pro athletes who truly are more gifted with their skills from the get go like speed, agility, coordination, strength, etc...

Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Griffith on October 24, 2017, 07:08:59 AM
One of the Klitschkos


Not a chance.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 24, 2017, 07:12:23 AM
Not a chance.

You know of a better white boxer than either of the Klitschko brothers?  Please, enlighten me
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Griffith on October 24, 2017, 07:40:47 AM
You know of a better white boxer than either of the Klitschko brothers?  Please, enlighten me

They should be in a super-heavyweight division, they are hardly examples of technical skill.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 07:44:35 AM
this is especially evident in prison. ive explained this many times before.

there are plenty of guys who go to prison who, before prison, never touched a weight. however in prison, if lucky enough to be in a prison with weights still, they begin to train... because that's what you do... usually. then what happens? some dudes grow like weeds, even on prison food and commissary.

however, when thy get out of prison, they go back to whatever they were doing before prison... meth or booze or whatever and the physique's are gone... until they go back to prison.

same is true for powerlifting. saw plenty of natural, raw, no-straps, no belts 600+lb deadlifts by guys under 220 if not under 210. including little tweaker kids weighing 140-something lbs pulling 500. big squats weren't as common. not all of us squatted, but 585 for 3 at 240 and 200mg HRT test e/2wks wasn't difficut. big benches are more rare, as not everybody understands proper technique and benches like "bodybuilders".

You've seen a couple of prison people do this.


So what's stopping you guys from juicing up?

Post your pics and get up to a lean 250.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 24, 2017, 07:45:56 AM
They should be in a super-heavyweight division, they are hardly examples of technical skill.

Please answer the question.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 08:22:15 AM
What Bevo is saying is correct. Put it this way, out of all the men you know, how many go to the gym regularly? Out of those, how many take hormones? Out of those, how many take pro-level doses? BB is a niche subculture in which the vast majority of people make no attempt to become part of.

Do the top pro’s have good BB genetics? Yes, sure they do. However, I don’t believe that such genetics are particular rare. There are plenty of men who have similar genetics but the majority aren’t working out, let alone take insane amounts of drugs. Go to Nigeria and you’ll see plenty of fishermen who would look like Dexter or Cormier if they got into BB and pushed the envelope.

And how do you know that?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 08:24:15 AM
And to answer your question what’s stopping the average guy? They have an actual brain and don’t give two shits about being a drug addict, they rather aspire to become real pro athletes, or choose to be in a more respected career path

Did you personally train and give a drug regimen to a substantial cohort?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SuperTed on October 24, 2017, 09:26:12 AM
And how do you know that?

I don't but I can make the assumption based on various factors. What makes you think pro BB's have such unique genetics considering such a small percentage of the population make any attempt to look like them?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
I don't but I can make the assumption based on various factors. What makes you think pro BB's have such unique genetics considering such a small percentage of the population make any attempt to look like them?

I think there are 10's of thousands, if not more, of people trying to become one, or at least seeing what they can do.

Dorian Yates said himself he noticed he was improving way more than his peers, and if he wasn't cut out for this he would've quit.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SuperTed on October 24, 2017, 10:19:34 AM
I think there are 10's of thousands, if not more, of people trying to become one, or at least seeing what they can do.

Dorian Yates said himself he noticed he was improving way more than his peers, and if he wasn't cut out for this he would've quit.

It's still a small number in comparison to the general population, especially when you compare it to the mainstream sports that have much larger participation.
BTW, I'm not disputing that the top pro's like Ronnie and Dorian have very good genetics for BB, it's obvious that they do. However, it can't be ignored that only a minuscule amount of people have attempted to do what these men did. Therefore, the top pro's have the best genetics but only when compared to a tiny percentile of the population.
Even those who are serious about BB, rarely decide to go full throttle due to the dangers and discomfort it causes.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Ted SuperSet on October 24, 2017, 10:30:10 AM
It's still a small number in comparison to the general population, especially when you compare it to the mainstream sports that have much larger participation.
BTW, I'm not disputing that the top pro's like Ronnie and Dorian have very good genetics for BB, it's obvious that they do. However, it can't be ignored that only a minuscule amount of people have attempted to do what these men did. Therefore, the top pro's have the best genetics but only when compared to a tiny percentile of the population.
Even those who are serious about BB, rarely decide to go full throttle due to the dangers and discomfort it causes.
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Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 10:32:58 AM
It's still a small number in comparison to the general population, especially when you compare it to the mainstream sports that have much larger participation.
BTW, I'm not disputing that the top pro's like Ronnie and Dorian have very good genetics for BB, it's obvious that they do. However, it can't be ignored that only a minuscule amount of people have attempted to do what these men did. Therefore, the top pro's have the best genetics but only when compared to a tiny percentile of the population.
Even those who are serious about BB, rarely decide to go full throttle due to the dangers and discomfort it causes.

Why are there weight classes in sports? The lightweights don't have the testosterone? That's untrue, and they should respond the same way if it was so cut and dried.

Thanks for keeping it civil.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 24, 2017, 10:38:25 AM
12 inches baby!!!!
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 10:46:10 AM
It's obvious you care about training and are serious about it, dj. You're doing all your genetics allow.

But then a good cycle can get you to 250.  :P
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 10:50:28 AM
I don't but I can make the assumption based on various factors. What makes you think pro BB's have such unique genetics considering such a small percentage of the population make any attempt to look like them?

Ok. Tell me this.

Where are all these non pros, Vic Richards type of people, on the net that are mass monsters?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 24, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
It's obvious you care about training and are serious about it, dj. You're doing all your genetics allow.

But then a good cycle can get you to 250.  :P

you mean the anabolic matrix yes?

gear, slin, gh, epo

not sure about that gettng me to 250, maybe 230, but 40 of it would be gut weight lulz
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 24, 2017, 12:30:34 PM
And how do you know that?

Quite simple, do the math, population

It’s lifting weights not hitting a baseball 400 ft, or running the 40 under 5 seconds

Like I said pro sports are the real athletes and are much rarer breed cause majority kids growing up aspire to play college ball to try to make pro

How many aspire to be bbers? Very small niche in relative to population , not hard to understand

Ask yourself how many people play soccer in the world and how many become Neymar’s or Messi’s?

Everyone lifts weights but only to benefit their sport, but hardly any if at all are doing bbing stacks, there’s your difference

Like I said phil said it best, he couldn’t make the nba  so he choose bbing, if he could he wouldn’t be a bber

Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: ESFitness on October 24, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
You've seen a couple of prison people do this.


So what's stopping you guys from juicing up?

Post your pics and get up to a lean 250.

what exactly are you arguing?

what i saw?

post my pics? lol.

you think juice is all there is to being 250? lol when i was 247 i used about 60% of what i used when i was 235/240. difference is eating and genetic response to drugs. i can assure you i've used more in 2 weeks than you've used in an entire cycle. doesn't mean i'm gonna be 300lbs. genius. are you new to this?
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 24, 2017, 03:18:56 PM
what exactly are you arguing?

what i saw?

post my pics? lol.

you think juice is all there is to being 250? lol when i was 247 i used about 60% of what i used when i was 235/240. difference is eating and genetic response to drugs.


That's my point, glad you agree. Some people in here think any male can get to comparative size, it's just the aesthetics that will vary.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: SuperTed on October 25, 2017, 02:58:11 AM
Why are there weight classes in sports? The lightweights don't have the testosterone? That's untrue, and they should respond the same way if it was so cut and dried.

Thanks for keeping it civil.

Weight classes tend to correlate with height. The taller the athlete, the more likely they will be competing at a higher weight class. Of course there are also other factors like bone structure and overall body composition too.

Ok. Tell me this.

Where are all these non pros, Vic Richards type of people, on the net that are mass monsters?

Again, how many people are doing what the pro’s do? Most of those on this forum that have competed for instance have used tiny amounts in comparison. To become a mass monster, it requires huge amounts of drugs. That’s not to say that everyone would reach the size of Ramy if they started living how he does, but the average man should still get pretty damn big if he chose to go down that route.   
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 25, 2017, 03:49:16 AM

Again, how many people are doing what the pro’s do? Most of those on this forum that have competed for instance have used tiny amounts in comparison. To become a mass monster, it requires huge amounts of drugs. That’s not to say that everyone would reach the size of Ramy if they started living how he does, but the average man should still get pretty damn big if he chose to go down that route.   

What about the mantra where an appropriate dose is good, but exceeding it is just wasteful? That has been said a lot around here. You either have it or you don't. Most pros also obtain their size rather quickly. "You know if you can turn pro after 2 years" is another one.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: spiro on October 25, 2017, 04:06:24 AM
you mean the anabolic matrix yes?

gear, slin, gh, epo

not sure about that gettng me to 250, maybe 230, but 40 of it would be gut weight lulz

You would die before you made it to 200 pounds lol. Steroids give a few pounds of lbm and a few more pounds of water retention. Genetics really is the deciding factor.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: darkeyes on October 25, 2017, 04:09:52 AM
You would die before you made it to 200 pounds lol. Steroids give a few pounds of lbm and a few more pounds of water retention. Genetics really is the deciding factor.
NO, Milk & 20 rep squats. Ass to grass baby !
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: sceagacros on October 25, 2017, 04:12:16 AM
What about the mantra where an appropriate dose is good, but exceeding it is just wasteful? That has been said a lot around here. You either have it or you don't. Most pros also obtain their size rather quickly. "You know if you can turn pro after 2 years" is another one.

^This, absolutely this.

YouTube and the net are full of examples of attempted "Mutation" through shockingly excessive doses and various "magical" combinations that worked out only in the deluded mind of the "mutant" and of course the encouraging words of the dealer / guru becoming enriched by said delusion......

If you have "it" -  you, and everyone around you will know almost immediately. You won't spend any energy 'convincing' others of your potential, as it will be self evident.

The idea that with insanely high doses, even sub-par genetics will respond like the pros, is simply untrue.

Much money is made off those who cannot understand or accept this.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Top Poodle on October 25, 2017, 04:14:10 AM
well, we all know eric has a shit response to drugs...

one look at his IG page will tell you all you need to know ;D
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 25, 2017, 05:32:39 AM
You would die before you made it to 200 pounds lol. Steroids give a few pounds of lbm and a few more pounds of water retention. Genetics really is the deciding factor.

where's your pic MOUTH  ???
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 25, 2017, 06:11:26 AM
where's your pic MOUTH  ???

yep you are bigger than me, but your shape sucksass

whats your waist measure there?

42 inches id say lulz
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: FREAKgeek on October 25, 2017, 06:18:54 AM
You guys both look good. That's not the argument.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 25, 2017, 06:23:28 AM
You guys both look good. That's not the argument.

I only look good when i am a fairly dry sub-8

otherwise i look like crap
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: spiro on October 25, 2017, 07:03:19 AM
yep you are bigger than me, but your shape sucksass

whats your waist measure there?

42 inches id say lulz

Your 140 pounds with 10 inch arms. I'm 6'1 210 pounds who gives a fuck if my waist is a little thicker retard. I get 10 times the pussy you do believe me.
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: dj181 on October 25, 2017, 07:08:37 AM
Your 140 pounds with 10 inch arms. I'm 6'1 210 pounds who gives a fuck if my waist is a little thicker retard. I get 10 times the pussy you do believe me.

i dont try to get pussy shithead

10 inches eh

LULZ

p.s. that is just the start

check back in 3-4 weeks 😎
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: spiro on October 25, 2017, 07:14:45 AM
That's suppose to be impressive lol.
When you can fill a shirt out like this let me know.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/iny61w.jpg)
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Simple Simon on October 25, 2017, 07:31:52 AM
That's suppose to be impressive lol.
When you can fill a shirt out like this let me know.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/iny61w.jpg)

soccer mom arms
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: spiro on October 25, 2017, 07:32:25 AM
soccer mom arms

Lol
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: Bevo on October 25, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
That's suppose to be impressive lol.
When you can fill a shirt out like this let me know.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/iny61w.jpg)

Too bad you don’t have hair

Guess the bald look caters to schmoes easier
Title: Re: Drugs vs Genetics
Post by: AbrahamG on October 25, 2017, 03:39:08 PM
yep you are bigger than me, but your shape sucksass

whats your waist measure there?

42 inches id say lulz

That waist is no where near 40 inches.  Good solid build.  Hopefully there aren't mega doses involved
in the attainment of this physique.  Looks natural and healthy.