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Title: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
*Applause* 

Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’

By Adam Shaw   | Fox News

Attorney General Jeff Sessions notes that immigration is the province of the federal government, criticizes actions of Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf and announces lawsuit against California over 'sanctuary state' policies.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday unloaded on California Democrats who push a “radical, open borders agenda,” as his Justice Department sued the state over its immigration policies --  warning that there “will be no secession.”

Sessions spoke at an event for California law enforcement and a day after the Justice Department announced it was filing a lawsuit against the “sanctuary city” state over three pieces of legislation that it said interferes with federal immigration policy.

In his remarks, Sessions noted “worrisome” trends as violent crime increased in 2014 and 2015, particularly a surge in homicide and drug availability. He said that a lawful immigration system was part of tackling such trends.

Sessions said that while America admits the highest number of legal immigrants in the world, the American people deserve a legal, rational immigration system that protects the nation and preserves the national interest.

“It cannot be the policy of a great nation to reward those who unlawfully enter its country with legal status, Social Security, welfare, food stamps, and work permits and so forth. How can this be a sound policy?” he asked.

“Meanwhile, those who engage in this process lawfully and patiently and wait their turn are discriminated against, it seems, at every turn.”
Turning to California, he described "open borders" policies that refuse to apprehend and deport illegal immigrants as a “radical, irrational idea that cannot be accepted” and rejected the right of states to obstruct federal immigration law.

“There is no nullification. There is no secession,” he said. “Federal law is the supreme law of the land. I would invite any doubters to go to Gettysburg, or to the tombstones of John C. Calhoun and Abraham Lincoln."

He then tore into Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf, who tipped off the public to an immigration raid in the San Francisco Bay Area last week -- a move he said led to as many 800 illegal immigrants evading capture and put both residents and law enforcement at risk.

“How dare you?” he said, addressing Schaaf. “How dare you needlessly endanger the lives of our law enforcement officers to promote a radical, open borders agenda.”

In defending the lawsuit, he accused California lawmakers of passing laws that are not only constitutional, but also a “plain violation of federal statute and common sense.”

“Importantly, these laws are harmful to Californians, and they’re especially harmful to our law enforcement,” he said.

"I did what I believe was right for my community as well as to protect public safety," Schaaf said Friday, according to NBC Bay Area. "People should be able to live without fear or panic and know their rights and responsibilities as well as their recourses."

Democrats have pushed back against the Trump administration's crackdown on so-called “sanctuary cities” where officials are ordered not to cooperate with federal authorities.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Wednesday that the lawsuit marked “a new low” from the Trump administration and said the president was abusing the legal system “to push his mass deportation agenda.”

"The people of California will not be bowed by the Trump administration's brazen aggression and intimidation tactics,” Pelosi said. “Californians will continue to proudly keep our doors open to the immigrants who make America more American. We will fight this sham lawsuit and will fight all cowardly attacks on our immigrant communities."

But in his remarks, Sessions appeared to be happy to fight, promising that the administration will win the fight and protect law enforcement in doing their jobs.

“California is using every power it has, and some it does not, to frustrate federal law enforcement,” he said. “So you can be sure I’m going to use every power I have to stop them.”

Sessions has been a longtime favorite of Trump’s base due to his fight against illegal immigration as an Alabama senator. In a 2015 handbook to fellow GOP lawmakers, he called “immigration reform” a “legislative honorific almost exclusively reserved for proposals which benefit everyone but actual American citizens.”

But Sessions quickly fell out of favor with President Trump, particularly over his decision to recuse himself from investigations related to alleged ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Trump has lashed out against Sessions on a number of occasions, and has even said he would not have appointed Sessions if he knew what he was going to do.

Last week Trump blasted Sessions over his decision to ask the inspector general to review alleged surveillance abuse by intelligence agencies.

Trump complained that the IG is an “Obama guy” and such an investigation will “take forever” (though the inspector general has served under presidents of both parties).

"Why not use Justice Department lawyers? DISGRACEFUL!" Trump tweeted.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/07/sessions-unloads-on-california-dems-for-radical-open-borders-agenda.html
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 07, 2018, 01:42:06 PM
This is what happpens when you have Gov that doesn’t know the difference between a country and a state
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: polychronopolous on March 07, 2018, 02:21:32 PM
Joe I don't know how you manage to stick around.

It seems like that state gets worse and worse every year.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 02:27:51 PM
Joe I don't know how you manage to stick around.

It seems like that state gets worse and worse every year.

you must visit here often

tell us your experience on how it's worse each time you visit?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 07, 2018, 02:30:11 PM
Joe I don't know how you manage to stick around.

It seems like that state gets worse and worse every year.

If I had a job that I could transfer from one state to another, I probably would. But in the meantime, I'll just stick around for the comedy relief. We are working more online and have a small apparel line thats growing so who knows what the future holds, but as long as left of left liberals are running this state, the future isn't here.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: polychronopolous on March 07, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
you must visit here often

tell us your experience on how it's worse each time you visit?

Isn't that your mayor that's about to be sitting in a jail cell?

I can't remember which city you lived in but I think it's somewhere in the area.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 02:37:09 PM
Isn't that your mayor that's about to be sitting in a jail cell?

I can't remember which city you lived in but I think it's somewhere in the area.

I'm in San Jose

How have you noticed things getting worse when you've visited

Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: polychronopolous on March 07, 2018, 02:39:55 PM
I'm in San Jose

How have you noticed things getting worse when you've visited



 :D

(http://i.imgur.com/ahYqDTG.jpg)
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 02:41:58 PM
:D

(http://i.imgur.com/ahYqDTG.jpg)

So you can't think of anything that you've noticed is "worse and worse" each year

What state do you live in?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: polychronopolous on March 07, 2018, 02:47:51 PM
So you can't think of anything that you've noticed is "worse and worse" each year

What state do you live in?

 ::)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/384853002

http://www.dailycal.org/2018/03/06/california-worst-quality-life-us-report-says/
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 02:49:48 PM
::)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/384853002

http://www.dailycal.org/2018/03/06/california-worst-quality-life-us-report-says/

LOL - you mean you're referring to the rigged media and fake news

Hilarious

So I'm guessing you're never actually been here

Where do you live again?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 02:52:41 PM
If I had a job that I could transfer from one state to another, I probably would. But in the meantime, I'll just stick around for the comedy relief. We are working more online and have a small apparel line thats growing so who knows what the future holds, but as long as left of left liberals are running this state, the future isn't here.

I'm sure you can find a job crippling teenagers in some other state and supplement that with your tire flipping lessons

You should definitely consider leaving
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: polychronopolous on March 07, 2018, 02:57:05 PM
LOL - you mean you're referring to the rigged media and fake news

Hilarious

So I'm guessing you're never actually been here

Where do you live again?

Ah so a California based site reporting on California is fake news?

Yeah good luck selling that one.

North Dakota was ranked number one. Probably too cold and too much snow for my liking though.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 03:00:11 PM
Ah so a California based site reporting on California is fake news?

Yeah good luck selling that one.

North Dakota was ranked number one. Probably too cold and too much snow for my liking though.

all media is "fake" and "rigged"

I learned that from Trump and Trumptards

So too ashamed to admit the state where you live?

Why is that?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 07, 2018, 03:07:57 PM
I'm sure you can find a job crippling teenagers in some other state and supplement that with your tire flipping lessons

You should definitely consider leaving

If it brings me ANOTHER Super Bowl winner then I might.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 03:16:58 PM
If it brings me ANOTHER Super Bowl winner then I might.

what do you mean brings you a super bowl winner (and why would that even matter given how awful your buddy polychronopolous imagines it is here)

Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: polychronopolous on March 07, 2018, 03:25:12 PM
what do you mean brings you a super bowl winner (and why would that even matter given how awful your buddy polychronopolous imagines it is here)



I still don't understand why you crack on Joe so much.

The guy has trained mma fighters, worked out with the USC team.

Improving the athletic ability and building confidence in teens and young adults.

Pretty cool life if u ask me!
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 03:25:50 PM
California is not a bad place.

I recently moved after living there for 38 years.  

Some pros:The weather is great, very well integrated and diverse.  Its the only place I know of that you can snow ski and surf in the same day, great veg.  Lots to do.  

Some  Cons:  Traffic sucks, high crime in some areas, expensive, high taxes.  



What cracks me up is the occasional Conservative taking shots at Cali, most often talking about how its going bankrupt, its progressive nature, liberals etc.

Get over it people, stop sucking on the conservative nipple so much.

But, it is over the line on immigration in my opinion with politicians pandering to illegals due to the large Hispanic population.  Declaring open cities, giving illegals driver's licenses etc.  I guess that's the price we have to pay for cheap veg, and day laborers.  lol


Hopefully I didn't misspell anything here or I might violate my probation.   ;D
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 03:30:15 PM
I still don't understand why you crack on Joe so much.

The guy has trained mma fighters, worked out with the USC team.

Improving the athletic ability and building confidence in teens and young adults.

Pretty cool life if u ask me!

I give him just as much as shit as he gives me

Also, I'm not actually impressed with his "coaching" abilities or his constant need to brag about shit he is doing (or more usually - about something he hopes might happen).

He seems to have a constant need for attention and praise for doing shit that plenty of other people do all over this country (same goes for  Goodrum who seems to crave praise for the very common action of buying a used car or a mobile home).  

I am curious why you shit on a state you've apparently never visited while dodging the question of where you live.  I guess it could be embarrassing if you live in some shit state or city.  
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 03:33:53 PM
California is not a bad place.

I recently moved after living there for 38 years.  

Some pros:The weather is great, very well integrated and diverse.  Its the only place I know of that you can snow ski and surf in the same day, great veg.  Lots to do.  

Some  Cons:  Traffic sucks, high crime in some areas, expensive, high taxes.  



What cracks me up is the occasional Conservative taking shots at Cali, most often talking about how its going bankrupt, its progressive nature, liberals etc.

Get over it people, stop sucking on the conservative nipple so much.

But, it is over the line on immigration in my opinion with politicians pandering to illegals due to the large Hispanic population.  Declaring open cities, giving illegals driver's licenses etc.  I guess that's the price we have to pay for cheap veg, and day laborers.  lol


Hopefully I didn't misspell anything here or I might violate my probation.   ;D

where did you move to?

I think about leaving only when I see how cheap (relatively speaking) real estate is in other parts of the country.  I could sell my house and buy a house for cash and still have plenty of money left over.  Only problem is that I love the weather in the bay area.   Almost every time I talk with a family member in Texas it's raining, or freezing or hotter than hell.   I remember when I lived in Texas there were about two months in April when the weather was great and it sucked most of the rest of the time

Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on March 07, 2018, 03:36:17 PM
So you can't think of anything that you've noticed is "worse and worse" each year

What state do you live in?

Fuck off you commie bastard
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 07, 2018, 03:40:39 PM
where did you move to?

I think about leaving only when I see how cheap (relatively speaking) real estate is in other parts of the country.  I could sell my house and buy a house for cash and still have plenty of money left over.  Only problem is that I love the weather in the bay area.   Almost every time I talk with a family member in Texas it's raining, or freezing or hotter than hell.   I remember when I lived in Texas there were about two months in April when the weather was great and it sucked most of the rest of the time



You live in San Jose, it's like the San Bernardino of Nor. Cal. Trulia is your friend and probably your only friend.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: polychronopolous on March 07, 2018, 03:42:29 PM
where did you move to?

I think about leaving only when I see how cheap (relatively speaking) real estate is in other parts of the country.  I could sell my house and buy a house for cash and still have plenty of money left over.  Only problem is that I love the weather in the bay area.   Almost every time I talk with a family member in Texas it's raining, or freezing or hotter than hell.   I remember when I lived in Texas there were about two months in April when the weather was great and it sucked most of the rest of the time



You could probably get a ton of land and a big house in North Dakota for that kind of money.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
California is not a bad place.

I recently moved after living there for 38 years.  

Some pros:The weather is great, very well integrated and diverse.  Its the only place I know of that you can snow ski and surf in the same day, great veg.  Lots to do.  

Some  Cons:  Traffic sucks, high crime in some areas, expensive, high taxes.  



What cracks me up is the occasional Conservative taking shots at Cali, most often talking about how its going bankrupt, its progressive nature, liberals etc.

Get over it people, stop sucking on the conservative nipple so much.

But, it is over the line on immigration in my opinion with politicians pandering to illegals due to the large Hispanic population.  Declaring open cities, giving illegals driver's licenses etc.  I guess that's the price we have to pay for cheap veg, and day laborers.  lol


Hopefully I didn't misspell anything here or I might violate my probation.   ;D

This gets repeated a lot:  we need illegals, because they do the manual labor jobs that Americans will not do.  But I've recently been learning that it isn't accurate.  The numbers don't support it.   
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 03:51:56 PM
You could probably get a ton of land and a big house in North Dakota for that kind of money.

is that where you live?

I doubt I would like the winter there
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 03:52:46 PM
You live in San Jose, it's like the San Bernardino of Nor. Cal. Trulia is your friend and probably your only friend.

Never been to San Bernardino

how is it like San Jose?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:06:19 PM
This gets repeated a lot:  we need illegals, because they do the manual labor jobs that Americans will not do.  But I've recently been learning that it isn't accurate.  The numbers don't support it.  

What numbers would those be?

I may be skeptical about some studies because I don't think undocumented workers are really enforced that well at some of these companies by the state governments.  

I have always believed the key to stopping illegal immigration is aggressively policing and fining companies that hire illegals.   The "wall" is nipple juice.

If its not for the jobs, why are they here? Canada is bound to have better free stuff.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Straw Man on March 07, 2018, 04:08:11 PM
What numbers would those be?

I may be skeptical about some studies because I don't think undocumented workers are really enforced that well at some of these companies by the state governments. 

I have always believed the key to stopping illegal immigration is aggressively policing and fining companies that hire illegals.

If its not for the jobs, why are they here? Canada is bound to have better free stuff.

Don't you know

They are all here so they can vote illegally

That's what they dream about doing when they come to America

Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:12:44 PM
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:13:02 PM
Don't you know

They are all here so they can vote illegally

That's what they dream about doing when they come to America



So free health care in Canada doesn't trump that?

Canada must have a huge wall.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:14:26 PM


An opinion piece of fox news.  Imagine that.  And because she mowed lawns and her mother did dirty work that makes it all untrue.   Those people I see in cleaning my hotel rooms, and in the fields in Central Cali must be using shoe polish to block the sun.  


Nipple juice.


OMG!!!!  I just remembered, I delivered papers when i was a kid!!!   Those are Mexicans in them fields!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:18:33 PM
So free health care in Canada doesn't trump that?

Canada must have a huge wall.



(https://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg/public/uploads/2017/03/hard_to_enter_harder_to_stay_graph.jpg?itok=clJzrLKU)
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2018, 04:18:54 PM
What numbers would those be?

I may be skeptical about some studies because I don't think undocumented workers are really enforced that well at some of these companies by the state governments.  

I have always believed the key to stopping illegal immigration is aggressively policing and fining companies that hire illegals.   The "wall" is nipple juice.

If its not for the jobs, why are they here? Canada is bound to have better free stuff.

Here is one:  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/us/immigrants-arent-taking-americans-jobs-new-study-finds.html

I think the best thing we can do to slow illegal immigration stop that anchor baby practice.  Enforcing the laws against employers would definitely help.  I think the wall will help.  So do the ICE raids.  
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:19:19 PM


(https://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg/public/uploads/2017/03/hard_to_enter_harder_to_stay_graph.jpg?itok=clJzrLKU)

It wasn't a wall.   They can't get jobs there.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:20:49 PM
Here is one:  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/us/immigrants-arent-taking-americans-jobs-new-study-finds.html

I think the best thing we can do to slow illegal immigration stop that anchor baby practice.  Enforcing the laws against employers would definitely help.  I think the wall will help.  So do the ICE raids.  

A wall is a joke.  If employers will get put out of business because of high fines and enforcement, illegal immigration stops.

All the wall is, is way for the government to spend money....again.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
It wasn't a wall.   They can't get jobs there.

it states in the top of the chart  "turned back when trying to enter Canada"
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:25:12 PM
Here is one:  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/us/immigrants-arent-taking-americans-jobs-new-study-finds.html

I think the best thing we can do to slow illegal immigration stop that anchor baby practice.  Enforcing the laws against employers would definitely help.  I think the wall will help.  So do the ICE raids.  

What's the unemployment rate right now?  Isn't low?  

besides that article is talking about immigrants, not illegal immigrants right?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:27:11 PM
it states in the top of the chart  "turned back when trying to enter Canada"

Are you saying you believe Canada has a wall?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:27:50 PM
A wall is a joke.  If employers will get put out of business because of high fines and enforcement, illegal immigration stops.

All the wall is, is way for the government to spend money....again.

many come here for the welfare and freebies. not just jobs


Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
many come here for the welfare and freebies. not just jobs


Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

So we have better welfare than Canada?

Or is that wall?  


Really though, seems like an easy fix.  Make it illegal to give welfare assistance to illegal immigrants.  Hows the republican lead congress on that one?

No need to spend 30 billion on a wall that won't work.


Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:32:23 PM


Many are not here to do the "jobs american wont do" but for a free ride, so ending their ability to work wont do it alone.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:34:23 PM

Many are not here to do the "jobs american wont do" but for a free ride, so ending their ability to work wont do it alone.
I am sure "many" are.

Make it illegal and it ends.

Meanwhile, we have millions picking fruit, cleaning hotel rooms, working in the service industry.  


BTW its a sucky free ride.

A decent free ride in California would be 30K per year and even then it sucks.

Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:35:24 PM
LA made $1.3B in illegal immigrant welfare payouts in just 2 years

(http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/06/07/896/504/694940094001_5462100205001_5462091623001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

He said the costs of education, police and fire, medical, and subsidized housing can total $24,000 per year in government spending per family, much more than would be paid in taxes.

“They get $3 in benefits for every $1 they spend,”
Rector said.

In 2013, California spent a total of $25.3 billion on illegal immigrants – or $2,370 per U.S. citizen household, according to a 2013 study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Texas and New York were second and third, at $12.1 billion and $9.5 billion, respectively.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/la-made-1-3b-in-illegal-immigrant-welfare-payouts-in-just-2-years.html
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
LA made $1.3B in illegal immigrant welfare payouts in just 2 years

(http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/06/07/896/504/694940094001_5462100205001_5462091623001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

He said the costs of education, police and fire, medical, and subsidized housing can total $24,000 per year in government spending per family, much more than would be paid in taxes.

“They get $3 in benefits for every $1 they spend,” Rector said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/la-made-1-3b-in-illegal-immigrant-welfare-payouts-in-just-2-years.html

Imagine a republican lead congress...  


He said the costs of education, police and fire, medical, and subsidized housing can total $24,000 per year in government spending per family, much more than would be paid in taxes.

“They get $3 in benefits for every $1 they spend,” Rector said

This is a nice way to make a gee wiz argument!   
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
A wall is a joke.  If employers will get put out of business because of high fines and enforcement, illegal immigration stops.

All the wall is, is way for the government to spend money....again.

I don't think any one thing will completely stop illegal immigration, but the biggest hammer is anchor babies. 

I don't think the wall is a joke.  If it's a good one, it would absolutely help slow illegal immigration.  Wouldn't solve the problem by itself, but would help. 
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2018, 04:40:30 PM
What's the unemployment rate right now?  Isn't low?  

besides that article is talking about immigrants, not illegal immigrants right?

We're talking about whether (as you and many others say), illegals do jobs Americans will not do. 

Here is another one:  https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/illegal-immigration-american-farming-economic-myths-debunked/

An excerpt:

Most illegals do not work in agriculture — only about 4 percent of the illegal-immigrant population is employed in farming. In no state is farming the predominant occupation of illegal immigrants; even in places such as California, where labor-intensive fruit-and-vegetable farming attracts a relatively large illegal workforce, the main occupations of illegals are in hospitality (restaurants and hotels), services, and transportation.

Likewise, most of the people working in agriculture are not illegals: The great majority of the farming workforce is composed of legal workers, with illegals constituting about one-fourth of the total. Illegals make up a larger share of the farm workforce than they do any other labor pool, but they remain a small though not inconsequential minority of workers.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: chaos on March 07, 2018, 04:43:24 PM
I'm in San Jose

How have you noticed things getting worse when you've visited


No wonder you're demoncrat.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:43:58 PM
We're talking about whether (as you and many others say), illegals do jobs Americans will not do. 

Here is another one:  https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/illegal-immigration-american-farming-economic-myths-debunked/

An excerpt:

Most illegals do not work in agriculture — only about 4 percent of the illegal-immigrant population is employed in farming. In no state is farming the predominant occupation of illegal immigrants; even in places such as California, where labor-intensive fruit-and-vegetable farming attracts a relatively large illegal workforce, the main occupations of illegals are in hospitality (restaurants and hotels), services, and transportation.

Likewise, most of the people working in agriculture are not illegals: The great majority of the farming workforce is composed of legal workers, with illegals constituting about one-fourth of the total. Illegals make up a larger share of the farm workforce than they do any other labor pool, but they remain a small though not inconsequential minority of workers.

But the article you first posted was about immigrants not illegal immigrants right?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:44:43 PM
No wonder you're demoncrat.

Do you live in San Jose Chaos?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:47:31 PM


I recently moved after living there for 38 years.  



Why did you leave ?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:47:56 PM
We're talking about whether (as you and many others say), illegals do jobs Americans will not do. 

Here is another one:  https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/illegal-immigration-american-farming-economic-myths-debunked/

An excerpt:

Most illegals do not work in agriculture — only about 4 percent of the illegal-immigrant population is employed in farming. In no state is farming the predominant occupation of illegal immigrants; even in places such as California, where labor-intensive fruit-and-vegetable farming attracts a relatively large illegal workforce, the main occupations of illegals are in hospitality (restaurants and hotels), services, and transportation.

Likewise, most of the people working in agriculture are not illegals: The great majority of the farming workforce is composed of legal workers, with illegals constituting about one-fourth of the total. Illegals make up a larger share of the farm workforce than they do any other labor pool, but they remain a small though not inconsequential minority of workers.

That right there would make the employer thing easy to enforce.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
But the article you first posted was about immigrants not illegal immigrants right?

The first article doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.  Doesn't matter that much for this point, because I think people are lumping Mexican immigrants in total (legal and illegal) into the same pot when talking about what types of jobs they do in the U.S.  
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: chaos on March 07, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
I am sure "many" are.

Make it illegal and it ends.

Meanwhile, we have millions picking fruit, cleaning hotel rooms, working in the service industry.  


BTW its a sucky free ride.

A decent free ride in California would be 30K per year and even then it sucks.


That's how we won the war on drugs. ::)
The demoncrats running ca have taxed the fuck out of everyone and every business in order to support their illegal base voters. Everything from welfare to drivers licenses to insurance. How many illegal immigrants are homeless?
We keep paying for people that don't even belong here.

Someone breaks into your house, eats your food, watches your tv, sleeps in your bed, demands you pay for his healthcare...are you cool with that because he mowed your yard?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: chaos on March 07, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
Do you live in San Jose Chaos?
I don't and wouldn't. You?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:51:00 PM
Why did you leave ?

Got a job offer I couldn't turn down.  
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 07, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
That right there would make the employer thing easy to enforce.

The laws on the book are not that hard to enforce.  We have been turning a blind eye.  Say what you want about Trump, but he is changing our entire approach on that issue.  I like it.  
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:52:15 PM
I don't and wouldn't. You?

Been there many many many times.  Great place.  Traffic and prices are the only draw back.  But if you are making at least 150K, its a golden. 
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:52:42 PM
Got a job offer I couldn't turn down.  

be honest, was it to a State that went for Trump in the last election?


Democrats Fleeing Blue States, Infecting Red States With Failed Liberal Disease:

https://lidblog.com/democrats-fleeing-blue-states/

Why People Are Leaving Blue States in Droves:

http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/07/why-people-are-leaving-blue-states-in-droves/
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:55:18 PM
That's how we won the war on drugs. ::)
The demoncrats running ca have taxed the fuck out of everyone and every business in order to support their illegal base voters. Everything from welfare to drivers licenses to insurance. How many illegal immigrants are homeless?
We keep paying for people that don't even belong here.

Someone breaks into your house, eats your food, watches your tv, sleeps in your bed, demands you pay for his healthcare...are you cool with that because he mowed your yard?

That's 2 different things Chaos.  Enforcing drug laws encompasses finding suppliers, users, manufacturers.  Making illegal for illegals to get benefits is as simple as requiring proof of citizenship at local, state and federal institutions and agencies.


that was kind of a poor argument dude.  That one works better for the gun thing.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 04:57:58 PM
Got a job offer I couldn't turn down.  

be honest, was it to a State that went for Trump in the last election?


Democrats Fleeing Blue States, Infecting Red States With Failed Liberal Disease:

https://lidblog.com/democrats-fleeing-blue-states/

Why People Are Leaving Blue States in Droves:

http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/07/why-people-are-leaving-blue-states-in-droves/
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 04:58:05 PM
be honest, was it to a State that went for Trump in the last election?

I am.  Seriously.  I am not a Trump fan.  But if he makes its so the private sector pays more than the government, brings good jobs here, etc.  I will be.  

It was a job offer.  Ohio.  cheaper to live, making more here, less traffic.

Shitty Asian and Mexican food though.  Superior Greek and Middle Eastern food.  
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 05:00:22 PM
I am.  Seriously.  I am not a Trump fan.  But if he makes its so the private sector pays more than the government, brings good jobs here, etc.  I will be.  

It was a job offer.  Ohio.  cheaper to live, making more here, less traffic.

Shitty Asian and Mexican food though.  Superior Greek and Middle Eastern food.  

Figures considering Ohio went for Trump!


Democrats Fleeing Blue States, Infecting Red States With Failed Liberal Disease:

https://lidblog.com/democrats-fleeing-blue-states/

Why People Are Leaving Blue States in Droves:

http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/07/why-people-are-leaving-blue-states-in-droves/
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 05:02:39 PM
Figures considering Ohio went for Trump!


Democrats Fleeing Blue States, Infecting Red States With Failed Liberal Disease:

https://lidblog.com/democrats-fleeing-blue-states/

Why People Are Leaving Blue States in Droves:

http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/07/why-people-are-leaving-blue-states-in-droves/

hehehehehe    :D ;D ;D


Its where the job was dude. 
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 05:03:41 PM
hehehehehe    :D ;D ;D


Its where the job was dude. 

Exactly!
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 05:06:10 PM
The first article doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.  Doesn't matter that much for this point, because I think people are lumping Mexican immigrants in total (legal and illegal) into the same pot when talking about what types of jobs they do in the U.S.  

Other than Hillary and Trump taking about it, the reports and quotes from them talk about immigrants.  Not illegal immigrants.  Right?
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 05:07:04 PM
Exactly!
lol

Had a great Job in Cali too buddy. 
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
lol

Had a great Job in Cali too buddy.  

and yet you fled like so many others..


(https://constitution.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2015_10-population-moving-blue-to-red-538x450.jpg)
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 05:11:08 PM
and yet you fled like so many others..

(https://constitution.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2015_10-population-moving-blue-to-red-538x450.jpg)


yes......

The Ohio job was so rich because of Trump they paid for my move too. 
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 05:13:36 PM
yes......

The Ohio job was so rich because of Trump they paid for my move too.  

You and 1000's of others are fleeing California for Red States every month, go figure... ::)
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 07, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
You and 1000's of others are fleeing California for Red States every month, go figure... ::)

Keep drinking the kool aid brother....

In time you'll spin it like a Limbaugh or Savage
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: James on March 07, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
Keep drinking the kool aid brother....

In time you'll spin it like a Limbaugh or Savage

no spin, just the truth.

1000's of People want to leave areas being destroyed by Democrat policies and they want to go where Republicans have kept taxes lower, business thriving, and jobs growing, You included.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: chaos on March 07, 2018, 07:18:12 PM
That's 2 different things Chaos.  Enforcing drug laws encompasses finding suppliers, users, manufacturers.  Making illegal for illegals to get benefits is as simple as requiring proof of citizenship at local, state and federal institutions and agencies.


that was kind of a poor argument dude.  That one works better for the gun thing.
Not at all. Illegal is illegal at any level or any situation. There are laws already is place. States like California circumvent federal laws for their own benefits, like when they made marijuana legal. It's still federally illegal and growers here in CA whining when the dea kicks down their door. Lol
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: chaos on March 07, 2018, 07:19:52 PM
The laws on the book are not that hard to enforce.  We have been turning a blind eye.  Say what you want about Trump, but he is changing our entire approach on that issue.  I like it.  
This. More laws won't change anything if we aren't enforcing current laws.

Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: OzmO on March 08, 2018, 03:18:15 PM
Not at all. Illegal is illegal at any level or any situation. There are laws already is place. States like California circumvent federal laws for their own benefits, like when they made marijuana legal. It's still federally illegal and growers here in CA whining when the dea kicks down their door. Lol

Of course, but comparing the 2 things without acknowledging the distinctions is what low level propaganda is based off of.
Title: Re: Sessions unloads on California Dems for ‘radical, open borders agenda’
Post by: Dos Equis on March 08, 2018, 04:17:25 PM
This. More laws won't change anything if we aren't enforcing current laws.



Yep.  A far too common problem.