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Even the staunchest anti-sugar advocate gives fruit a pass... By why? A normal apple has 20-50 grams of sugar. Five servings of fruit a day? Probably over 100 grams of sugar, any way you alive it.
Some authorities say not to eat more than 25 grams of sugar a day. Everyone loves to hate soda, which has 40-50 grams a can. Whats the difference between eating a couple fruits and drinking a can of soda?
Some people mention the fiber... Do you really believe it "slows absoption"? Subjectively, I don't feel anything to confirm this oft-cited reason, not have I ever seen any research to suggest this.
Micronutrients? Plug fruit into chronometer... It has very little. Eat your vegetables and whatever micros you get from fruit will be a negligible portion of your overall intake. A bunch of spinach, broccoli, carrots, kale, and bell peppers would be a much better investment. Same with phytonutrients, antioxidants, and all the other mystery nutrients that the plant-based gurus prattle on about.
Seriously, I don't get it. Have a candy bar, chocolate bar, or soda and you're killing babies, but remember to get three to five servings of fruit!
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Not sure if serious...
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Not sure if serious...
Selectively bred for thousands of years to be massive sugar bombs. What's the difference between a can of Sprite and a 500 gram honeycrisp?
Don't tell me it's the "cell matrix" that means your glucose is up to 180 mg/dl over three minutes instead of two ::)
Or maybe it's the 5% dv vitamin C... Which you could get from a sixteenth of a kale leaf.
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I mainly stick to berries and if i do eat an apple or a banana it’s after a workout.
BTW you’d expect someone like Tbombz to know his fruit.
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And if you do eat more fruit just cut other sources of carbs like grains, potatoes etc. The problem is that the majority of people eat fruit along with other carb rich foods. Take your time and look into other people’s carts next time you’re in a store. 75% of the items include processed carbs, processed meat and candy. Big pharma loves this.
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Fruit sucks
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Overthinking.
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Even the staunchest anti-sugar advocate gives fruit a pass... By why? A normal apple has 20-50 grams of sugar. Five servings of fruit a day? Probably over 100 grams.of sugar, any way you alive it.
Some authorities say not to eat more than 25 grams of sugar a day. Everyone loves to hate soda, which has 40-50 grams a can. Whats the difference between eating a couple fruits and drinking a can of soda?
Some people mention the fiber... Do you really believe it "slows absoption"? Subjectively, I don't feel anything to confirm this oft-cited reason, not have I ever seen any research to suggest this.
Micronutrients? Plug fruit into chronometer... It has very little. Eat your vegetables and whatever micros you get from fruit will be a negligible portion of your overall intake. A bunch of spinach, broccoli, carrots, kale, and bell peppers would be a much better investment. Same with phytonutrients, antioxidants, and all the other mystery nutrients that the plant-based gurus prattle on about.
Seriously, I don't get it. Have a candy bar, chocolate bar, or soda and you're killing babies, but remember to get three to five servings of fruit!
Fructose in fruits is not process white sugar . Inform yourself ;)
O, yes I'll immediately stop eating about 20 varieties of mango's,durian,star fruit,mangosteen,figs,black grapes,etc., & start dental destruction with Coke & Mars bars.
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There's plenty of fruits on Getbig.
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Fructose in fruits is not process white sugar . Inform yourself ;)
O, yes I'll immediately stop eating about 20 varieties of mango's,durian,star fruit,mangosteen,figs,black grapes,etc., & start dental destruction with Coke & Mars bars.
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White table sugar is sucrose: 50% fructose, 50% glucose.
Bananas and apples are about 2/3 fructose, 1/3 glucose. Other fruits have more glucose than fructose. All in all, few fruits have a massively skewed ratio.
And everyone agrees high-fructose corn syrup is bad for your liver... So, if the slight bias toward fructose means anything, why would we think it good ???
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Some facts:
- glucose causes spikes in blood sugar levels and insulin release which is the body’s most powerful storage hormone
- fructose doesn’t affect blood sugar levels because it goes directly into your liver and is metabolised there
- the liver turns fructose into glucose or fat. It depends on more factors which process takes place. If your liver has a lot of space to store glycogen than that fructose can be turned into glucose and stored as glycogen in your liver. If your glycogen is full than that excess fructose will be turned into fat and stored as fat.
- insulin speeds up the storage of fat
- worst case scenario regarding carbs and higher fat storage: eating a lot of fructose with glucose/starch
Moderate amounts of fruit are good for you. Especially berries. They contain only around 10-15% of sugars and are rich in other nutrients.
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Even the staunchest anti-sugar advocate gives fruit a pass... By why? A normal apple has 20-50 grams of sugar. Five servings of fruit a day? Probably over 100 grams.of sugar, any way you alive it.
Some authorities say not to eat more than 25 grams of sugar a day. Everyone loves to hate soda, which has 40-50 grams a can. Whats the difference between eating a couple fruits and drinking a can of soda?
Some people mention the fiber... Do you really believe it "slows absoption"? Subjectively, I don't feel anything to confirm this oft-cited reason, not have I ever seen any research to suggest this.
Micronutrients? Plug fruit into chronometer... It has very little. Eat your vegetables and whatever micros you get from fruit will be a negligible portion of your overall intake. A bunch of spinach, broccoli, carrots, kale, and bell peppers would be a much better investment. Same with phytonutrients, antioxidants, and all the other mystery nutrients that the plant-based gurus prattle on about.
Seriously, I don't get it. Have a candy bar, chocolate bar, or soda and you're killing babies, but remember to get three to five servings of fruit!
Another Getbig moron trying to repeat shit that was written in Flex Magazine back in the 90’s
I swear, there is never an original thought posted here.
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cephissus,the man who is always so confused about what the fuck to eat.
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cephissus is cool in my book, but I think the following conversation has never happened:
"dude, you've put on a few"
"blueberries, man....fuckin' blueberries"
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I love it . . . Today - 2 pear, 1 orange, 4 bananas and some raspberries, watermelon and raisins.
J
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Why do people always complicate things? You going to die one day, eat and do whatever the fuck you want, all these so called researches, nothing is healthy or good for you
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cephissus is cool in my book, but I think the following conversation has never happened:
"dude, you've put on a few"
"blueberries, man....fuckin' blueberries"
;D
full disclosure, I eat probably 100+ grams of sugar on an average day, much of it from fruit. I just don't get how people reconcile the "anti-sugar" craze with "...but a little fruit is good for you". The reasons are always flimsy:
- "fiber slows digestion" (any studies showing by how much? cause I sure can't feel any difference).
- "Micros and phytos tho" (ever read a nutrition label? 50 grams of sugar for 10% dv vitamin C, what a steal ::))
- "it's natural, bro" (ever looked at uncultivated fruits? the weeds that grow along highways? take a bite out of those and tell me how much they resemble a supermarket monstrosity).
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Another Getbig moron trying to repeat shit that was written in Flex Magazine back in the 90’s
I swear, there is never an original thought posted here.
Don't think I've ever read a bodybuilding magazine in my life, but care to point out the reasons why fruit is so much healthier than gummy bears?
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I refuse to waste my precious caloric intake on a piece of fucking fruit. Same with soda, I only drink diet.
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If your liver glycogen is full than that excess fructose will be turned into fat and stored as fat.
Im not sure that is exactly right. The studies I've seen show that as low as 1% of fructose gets converted to triglycerides, with nearly 50% getting converted to glucose (the other portion being turned into lactate). Now from what I understand this glucose can be sent out into circulation and be used for skeletal muscle glycogen if liver glycogen is full.
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There is no difference you are correct. Fiber does change the glycemic index to a degree and the load but the glucose and fructose are exactly the same as it is found anywhere else.
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I refuse to waste my precious caloric intake on a piece of fucking fruit. Same with soda, I only drink diet.
Very serious business here.
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Nothing wrong with sugar. Excess sugar can be a problem but this new wave bs about sugar is horrible for you is wrong. Glucose is the fuel for athletic activities. Real athletes as in running, soccer, basketball would be at a severe disadvantage in the performance of their sport if they did hard core limiting of carbs. It really does come down to calories in and calories out. To say you can eat more calories losing weight if you limit carbs is junk science and false.
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Frozen blueberries with some almond milk and vanilla fart powder....heaven in a glass man
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Monkeys live on fruit & occasional meat snack, & they never get fat :D
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You can have 100+ gram of sugar a day from anything and lose weight if you’re in a calorific deficit, but that’s just common sense.
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There is no difference you are correct. Fiber does change the glycemic index to a degree and the load but the glucose and fructose are exactly the same as it is found anywhere else.
Necrosis, I was hoping you would post here. I remember you were studying nutrition at a very high level (grad school or post-grad ?). I am wondering, as it isnt clear to me in the research I have done, the fate of excess fructose after liver glycogen is full. I read a study that indicated roughly 50% of fructose was converted to glucose and "sent into circulation" to be used as glycogen. This seemed to indicate that fructose does work to fill skeletal muscle glycogen after liver glycogen has been replenished. Is that correct in your understanding? I used to be under the impression that the majority of excess fructose, after liver glycogen had been filled, was simply converted to fats and sent into circulation to be either burned for fuel or stored as body fat. But I am hoping this is not the case and that the excess gets sent into circulation as glucose to be used for muscle glycogen, as the one study I read seemed to indicate.
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The sugar could possibly be an issue if you ate a bunch of fruit and nothing else. But combined with some protein and fat--ie: eaten within the context of a meal--and it's a non-issue.
Plus fruit is delicious and more nutrient dense than most (if not all) starches and it's a no brainer to me
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The sugar could possibly be an issue if you ate a bunch of fruit and nothing else. But combined with some protein and fat--ie: eaten within the context of a meal--and it's a non-issue.
Plus fruit is delicious and more nutrient dense than most (if not all) starches and it's a no brainer to me
Just making smoothie of: 2 bananas,1/2 avocado, 1tbs hemp seed,1ts aminos,cup of strawberies,2 frozen mangos & baby spinach !.
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Contrary to popular mainstream misinformation, FAT is the bodies preferred fuel source. When glucose is present however , it will burn that first in order to maintain healthy levels of blood sugar.
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Necrosis, I was hoping you would post here. I remember you were studying nutrition at a very high level (grad school or post-grad ?). I am wondering, as it isnt clear to me in the research I have done, the fate of excess fructose after liver glycogen is full. I read a study that indicated roughly 50% of fructose was converted to glucose and "sent into circulation" to be used as glycogen. This seemed to indicate that fructose does work to fill skeletal muscle glycogen after liver glycogen has been replenished. Is that correct in your understanding? I used to be under the impression that the majority of excess fructose, after liver glycogen had been filled, was simply converted to fats and sent into circulation to be either burned for fuel or stored as body fat. But I am hoping this is not the case and that the excess gets sent into circulation as glucose to be used for muscle glycogen, as the one study I read seemed to indicate.
Hey! I ended up doing medicine!
You are correct on both counts, fructose does fill glycogen downstream but its more apt to be converted to fat as generally people have enough readily available glucose floating around. Nighttime is when the fructose to fat conversion is more likely to occur as both liver and muscle glycogen is replete!
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Even the staunchest anti-sugar advocate gives fruit a pass... By why? A normal apple has 20-50 grams of sugar. Five servings of fruit a day? Probably over 100 grams of sugar, any way you alive it.
Some authorities say not to eat more than 25 grams of sugar a day. Everyone loves to hate soda, which has 40-50 grams a can. Whats the difference between eating a couple fruits and drinking a can of soda?
Some people mention the fiber... Do you really believe it "slows absoption"? Subjectively, I don't feel anything to confirm this oft-cited reason, not have I ever seen any research to suggest this.
Micronutrients? Plug fruit into chronometer... It has very little. Eat your vegetables and whatever micros you get from fruit will be a negligible portion of your overall intake. A bunch of spinach, broccoli, carrots, kale, and bell peppers would be a much better investment. Same with phytonutrients, antioxidants, and all the other mystery nutrients that the plant-based gurus prattle on about.
Seriously, I don't get it. Have a candy bar, chocolate bar, or soda and you're killing babies, but remember to get three to five servings of fruit!
Where did you get those numbers.
Scandinavian Apple, avg 200grams has apprx 70kcal.
Do they inject US apples with corn syrup or what?
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Im no nutritionist. But what about vitamins and antioxidans.
Cleansing properties of fruit like pineaplle. Kiwis are full of vitamins and minerals etc.
Comparing soda to natural fruit makes little sense to me.
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Hey! I ended up doing medicine!
You are correct on both counts, fructose does fill glycogen downstream but its more apt to be converted to fat as generally people have enough readily available glucose floating around. Nighttime is when the fructose to fat conversion is more likely to occur as both liver and muscle glycogen is replete!
Good stuff. Medicine was a smart choice!
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Where did you get those numbers.
Scandinavian Apple, avg 200grams has apprx 70kcal.
Do they inject US apples with corn syrup or what?
A lot of the smaller organic fruits are probably around 200g. I've seen apples as big as 900g here (not exaggerating) and honeycrisps are often 400+.
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A lot of the smaller organic fruits are probably around 200g. I've seen apples as big as 900g here (not exaggerating) and honeycrisps are often 400+.
And what about bananas? How big do they get there? Asking for a friend
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Hey! I ended up doing medicine!
You are correct on both counts, fructose does fill glycogen downstream but its more apt to be converted to fat as generally people have enough readily available glucose floating around. Nighttime is when the fructose to fat conversion is more likely to occur as both liver and muscle glycogen is replete!
Serious question. Do you recomend eating fruit after workout with weights? And explain it if possible.
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FRUIT
1. some one who is a flaming flamboyant homosexual
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mentally i do not feel guilty eating fruit - unless I am on a prep diet, i will eat fruit
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mentally i do not feel guilty eating fruit - unless I am on a prep diet, i will eat fruit
Good answer, only one that makes sense so far!
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Serious question. Do you recomend eating fruit after workout with weights? And explain it if possible.
I wouldn't, fructose isnt really insulinogenic so it won't help with nutrient absorption or glycogen repletion, pure glucose or one of the newer carbs that increase glycogen would be best. You would want insulin around after working out and sensitivity is greatly enhanced.
I don't see any good reason to. Veggies really do have far more nutrients then fruits, I would think of fruits more as desert.
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Kai
Grapefruit
end of thread
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WHO CARES ?
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Monkeys live on fruit & occasional meat snack, & they never get fat :D
They also never get cramps.
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Even the staunchest anti-sugar advocate gives fruit a pass... By why? A normal apple has 20-50 grams of sugar. Five servings of fruit a day? Probably over 100 grams of sugar, any way you alive it.
Some authorities say not to eat more than 25 grams of sugar a day. Everyone loves to hate soda, which has 40-50 grams a can. Whats the difference between eating a couple fruits and drinking a can of soda?
Some people mention the fiber... Do you really believe it "slows absoption"? Subjectively, I don't feel anything to confirm this oft-cited reason, not have I ever seen any research to suggest this.
Micronutrients? Plug fruit into chronometer... It has very little. Eat your vegetables and whatever micros you get from fruit will be a negligible portion of your overall intake. A bunch of spinach, broccoli, carrots, kale, and bell peppers would be a much better investment. Same with phytonutrients, antioxidants, and all the other mystery nutrients that the plant-based gurus prattle on about.
Seriously, I don't get it. Have a candy bar, chocolate bar, or soda and you're killing babies, but remember to get three to five servings of fruit!
fruit has phytonutrients and fiber
a cup of raspberries has 15 grams of carbs and 8 grams of fiber
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fruit has phytonutrients and fiber
a cup of raspberries has 15 grams of carbs and 8 grams of fiber
Crazy straw man is right. Low sugar berries are fantastic sources of phytonutrients and fiber which many people don’t get enough of. Blueberries are also very good for the brain and can help with memory retention. HTH
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And what about bananas? How big do they get there? Asking for a friend
Depends of variety & market demands, Cavendish is usually 200 gr & 25cm long, U can have double joint of + 400gr.
Coffs Harbour (Australia) is call Big banana town. If U eat blood (red) banana , Mr.Dracula would love U.
If U can, visit Australia & gigantic banana farms in northern NSW, Queensland & Northern Territory.Euro backpackers usually
work on those farms.
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A lot of the smaller organic fruits are probably around 200g. I've seen apples as big as 900g here (not exaggerating) and honeycrisps are often 400+.
I am not into apples, but Custrad Apple is great, on Tasmania (Apple island or Pussy island ;D) some farms grove over 200 variety !.
Just now mandarins season is on.
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Polyphenols of many types found in fruits, cephessius losing his intuition
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so what the hell can we eat?
many people say meat is bad for you, now fruit is bad?
what should we eat?
E
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Crazy straw man is right. Low sugar berries are fantastic sources of phytonutrients and fiber which many people don’t get enough of. Blueberries are also very good for the brain and can help with memory retention. HTH
They aren't fantastic sources of fiber though, maybe phytonutrients (I would agree with this) but they are poor in all other metrics when compared to veggies or even flax for example. What type of fiber is it as well, that important, soluble or insoluble?
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They aren't fantastic sources of fiber though, maybe phytonutrients (I would agree with this) but they are poor in all other metrics when compared to veggies or even flax for example. What type of fiber is it as well, that important, soluble or insoluble?
A cup of raspberries has only 5 grams of sugar and 8 grams of mostly soluble fiber. Sounds good to me. Speaking of veggies, 3.5 cups of broccoli would equal 5 grams of sugar and 8 grams of fiber and has more calories. Funny, right?
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I have one serving of fruit per day. It is one measured cup of berries. Blueberries, blackberries, raspberries and strawberries all mixed together. Other than veggies, this is my only carb source currently.
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Chia seeds are a great source of fiber.
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Chia seeds are a great source of fiber.
How do you ingest them?
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I eat an apple and a banana just about every day. I can tell you if you ride a bike 30-40 miles an apple is about the best thing in the world to keep you going.
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I refuse to waste my precious caloric intake on a piece of fucking fruit. Same with soda, I only drink diet.
We have a winner. Please no more calls.
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How do you ingest them?
What do you mean?
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Chia seeds are a great source of fiber.
over rated & over price , taste :-\
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over rated & over price , taste :-\
How did you determine that it was overrated?
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Very serious business here.
Yep, am in the depths of a grueling cut right now... :'(
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How did you determine that it was overrated?
latest health industry gimmick , just another "super food" from South America ...............remember Guarana ;)
What's next : black rice :)
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latest health industry gimmick , just another "super food" from South America ...............remember Guarana ;)
What's next : black rice :)
I remember being in college and seeing shitty cars in the gym parking lot with “Noni juice” written on the side. Total gimmick-mobile
(http://www.rawsomelife.se/shop/31930/art30/h9562/30689562-origpic-8ad4da.png)
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latest health industry gimmick , just another "super food" from South America ...............remember Guarana ;)
What's next : black rice :)
But that doesn’t prove it’s overrated. That’s your opinion without any evidence.
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cephissus is cool in my book, but I think the following conversation has never happened:
"dude, you've put on a few"
"blueberries, man....fuckin' blueberries"
I gotta say this pretty much covers it. I'm not sure what the exact science is- whether it's fiber, whether it's like a pavlovian reaction or whatnot- but if you take someone with a decent appetite and not a lot of self-control and put a plate of french fries down in front of them, they'll probably eat until the fries are gone. If you put a plate of cookies down in front of them, they will stuff their face till they're about to bust. Same goes for chips, soda, etc. But if you put a giant bowl of fresh fruit salad down in front of them, most people probably wouldn't finish off the whole thing or eat past when they feel satiated.
I agree that fresh fruit juices probably aren't that different from sodas from a nutritional standpoint.
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But that doesn’t prove it’s overrated. That’s your opinion without any evidence.
Si-Fi, if Inca & Aztecs "superfoods" a so 'juicy' why those muchachos don't grow, small fuckers !.
Marketing gimmick & nothing else ;).
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What do you mean?
Do you eat them on food? Put them in a shake? How do you serve them?
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Si-Fi, if Inca & Aztecs "superfoods" a so 'juicy' why those muchachos don't grow, small fuckers !.
Marketing gimmick & nothing else ;).
I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
It’s a seed. It’s high in fiber. Fiber is healthy for you. Therefore, it’s a good way to get extra fiber. Nothing more, nothing less.
“If you are looking for fiber or antioxidants, chia seeds would be a great addition to your diet; but for weight loss, stick with good old exercise and healthy food choices!” American Society for Nutrition
Further, Harvard School of Public Health disagrees with you.
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Do you eat them on food? Put them in a shake? How do you serve them?
I actually put it in yogurt.
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I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
It’s a seed. It’s high in fiber. Fiber is healthy for you. Therefore, it’s a good way to get extra fiber. Nothing more, nothing less.
“If you are looking for fiber or antioxidants, chia seeds would be a great addition to your diet; but for weight loss, stick with good old exercise and healthy food choices!” American Society for Nutrition
Further, Harvard School of Public Health disagrees with you.
South Americans eat that 4 a long,long time RIGHT ;)!.
Spanish knew about chia for 400 years :) !.
So WHY is now marketed on the West as SUPERFOOD :P ?.
Chia is NOTHING special.
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South Americans eat that 4 a long,long time RIGHT ;)!.
Spanish knew about chia for 400 years :) !.
So WHY is now marketed on the West as SUPERFOOD :P ?.
Chia is NOTHING special.
We use a lot of garlic in my culture. Very healthy. Plus, we invented Al Jebra!
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South Americans eat that 4 a long,long time RIGHT ;)!.
Spanish knew about chia for 400 years :) !.
So WHY is now marketed on the West as SUPERFOOD :P ?.
Chia is NOTHING special.
I never says it was a super food, nor did I say it was anything special.
I said it was a good way to get extra fiber.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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I never says it was a super good.
I said it was a good way to get extra fiber.
Nothing more, nothing less.
This IC fellow is rather dense. Take things slow with him.
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This IC fellow is rather dense. Take things slow with him.
I really don’t know how else to explain it lol
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This IC fellow is rather dense. Take things slow with him.
& nothing U can do about it , ask mUhammad to fatwa me
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:)
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& nothing U can do about it , ask mUhammad to fatwa me
How about you and I get together for a quarter pounder w/cheese sometime?
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We use a lot of garlic in my culture. Very healthy. Plus, we invented Al Jebra!
Some (in your 'culture') promote camel piss drinking (on Facebook/YouTube) as healthy refreshment ::)
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How about and I get together for a quarter pounder w/cheese sometime?
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you must be rich. I can only afford the McDouble on the Value Menu
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How about and I get together for a quarter pounder w/cheese sometime?
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a) I am vegetarian ;)
b) U could meet me at Crac de Chevaliers (build by MY culture)
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you must be rich. I can only afford the McDouble on the Value Menu
I was gonna cut it in half and share it with Iron Cross.
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A cup of raspberries has only 5 grams of sugar and 8 grams of mostly soluble fiber. Sounds good to me. Speaking of veggies, 3.5 cups of broccoli would equal 5 grams of sugar and 8 grams of fiber and has more calories. Funny, right?
Not really, you just used 250% more broccoli in comparison to arrive at those numbers. Raspberries are also the very best fruit you could of used, overall veggies rape fruit in nutrition and its not a debate across the board.
Both types of fiber have benefits.
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for example a 100 grams of broccoli has roughly 35 cals and 7 grams of carbs, of which 1.7 a sugar and looking at micros 150% of the RDA of Vitamin C
100 grams of banana has almost triple the calories at roughly 90, 12 grams of sugar and 14% of the RDA of Vitamin C
Rambone if you are going to compare you should use the same amounts should you? I mean otherwise its disingenuous.
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I think the best diet would be meat, vegetables, and fruit.
This is my opinion with no scientific basis.
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This fruit debate is going to tear this forum to shreds.
Hopefully we get get alignment soon.
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for example a 100 grams of broccoli has roughly 35 cals and 7 grams of carbs, of which 1.7 a sugar and looking at micros 150% of the RDA of Vitamin C
100 grams of banana has almost triple the calories at roughly 90, 12 grams of sugar and 14% of the RDA of Vitamin C
Rambone if you are going to compare you should use the same amounts should you? I mean otherwise its disingenuous.
Dude, you’re all over the place. We’re talking about berries, not bananas. I’m sorry you think I’m being “disingenuous” about fruit (oh brother). If you re-read my posts, I’m talking fiber and phytonutrients. 1 cup of raspberries has 64 calories and 8 grams of fiber. 1 cup of chopped broccoli has half the calories but half the fiber and tastes a lot worse. Someone could use raspberries to satisfy their sweet tooth while consuming a dense amount of fiber and do so with a low amount of calories and sugar. I’ve never heard anybody say “I love eating broccoli” in my entire life, and I eat broccoli almost everyday and don’t even eat raspberries, so I honestly don’t care. My initial post wasn’t made to pit veggies vs. fruit. You brought up veggies, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
My initial post
Crazy straw man is right. Low sugar berries are fantastic sources of phytonutrients and fiber which many people don’t get enough of. Blueberries are also very good for the brain and can help with memory retention. HTH
And your incorrect response.
They aren't fantastic sources of fiber though, maybe phytonutrients (I would agree with this) but they are poor in all other metrics when compared to veggies or even flax for example. What type of fiber is it as well, that important, soluble or insoluble?
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Rambone,
Homophobia, personal attacks, racism, and misogyny are all behaviors that are acceptable to an extent on this forum.
But being disingenuous about phytonutrients crosses the fucking line, and is something that we will absolutely NOT tolerate here.
Consider this an official warning.
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Rambone,
Homophobia, personal attacks, racism, and misogyny are all behaviors that are acceptable to an extent on this forum.
But being disingenuous about phytonutrients crosses the fucking line, and is something that we will absolutely NOT tolerate here.
Consider this an official warning.
;D ;D ;D
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Even the staunchest anti-sugar advocate gives fruit a pass... By why? A normal apple has 20-50 grams of sugar. Five servings of fruit a day? Probably over 100 grams of sugar, any way you alive it.
Some authorities say not to eat more than 25 grams of sugar a day. Everyone loves to hate soda, which has 40-50 grams a can. Whats the difference between eating a couple fruits and drinking a can of soda?
Some people mention the fiber... Do you really believe it "slows absoption"? Subjectively, I don't feel anything to confirm this oft-cited reason, not have I ever seen any research to suggest this.
Micronutrients? Plug fruit into chronometer... It has very little. Eat your vegetables and whatever micros you get from fruit will be a negligible portion of your overall intake. A bunch of spinach, broccoli, carrots, kale, and bell peppers would be a much better investment. Same with phytonutrients, antioxidants, and all the other mystery nutrients that the plant-based gurus prattle on about.
Seriously, I don't get it. Have a candy bar, chocolate bar, or soda and you're killing babies, but remember to get three to five servings of fruit!
If you ever get to live to senior years fruits its all you probably will tolerate .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LA VEJEZ
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Keto FTW
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Dude, you’re all over the place. We’re talking about berries, not bananas. I’m sorry you think I’m being “disingenuous” about fruit (oh brother). If you re-read my posts, I’m talking fiber and phytonutrients. 1 cup of raspberries has 64 calories and 8 grams of fiber. 1 cup of chopped broccoli has half the calories but half the fiber and tastes a lot worse. Someone could use raspberries to satisfy their sweet tooth while consuming a dense amount of fiber and do so with a low amount of calories and sugar. I’ve never heard anybody say “I love eating broccoli” in my entire life, and I eat broccoli almost everyday and don’t even eat raspberries, so I honestly don’t care. My initial post wasn’t made to pit veggies vs. fruit. You brought up veggies, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
My initial post
And your incorrect response.
I didn't realize we were only using raspberries, other berries are worse and have more sugar.
They aren't great sources of fiber, there are much better sources without the sugar, that's my point. If you want fiber eat psyllium husk
https://scienceofmom.com/2011/12/22/fruits-vs-veggies-are-they-nutritionally-equivalent/
Nutritionally veggies are far superior and they have less bad shit, namely sugar. What phytonutrients are you talking about?
Berries are the only thing even close, of them raspberries are the best then it declines in terms of good shit versus bad shit.
You compared raspberries to broccoli and used different amounts in your comparison which is odd is all. I mean whats a better source of protein? chicken or peanuts?
100 grams of chicken has 30 grams of protein roughly and 1 cup of peanuts has 38 grams, clearly peanuts are better!
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Dude, you’re all over the place. We’re talking about berries, not bananas. I’m sorry you think I’m being “disingenuous” about fruit (oh brother). If you re-read my posts, I’m talking fiber and phytonutrients. 1 cup of raspberries has 64 calories and 8 grams of fiber. 1 cup of chopped broccoli has half the calories but half the fiber and tastes a lot worse. Someone could use raspberries to satisfy their sweet tooth while consuming a dense amount of fiber and do so with a low amount of calories and sugar. I’ve never heard anybody say “I love eating broccoli” in my entire life, and I eat broccoli almost everyday and don’t even eat raspberries, so I honestly don’t care. My initial post wasn’t made to pit veggies vs. fruit. You brought up veggies, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
My initial post
And your incorrect response.
Also, multi quote meltdown, why so srs?
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I didn't realize we were only using raspberries, other berries are worse and have more sugar.
They aren't great sources of fiber, there are much better sources without the sugar, that's my point. If you want fiber eat psyllium husk
https://scienceofmom.com/2011/12/22/fruits-vs-veggies-are-they-nutritionally-equivalent/
Nutritionally veggies are far superior and they have less bad shit, namely sugar. What phytonutrients are you talking about?
Berries are the only thing even close, of them raspberries are the best then it declines in terms of good shit versus bad shit.
You compared raspberries to broccoli and used different amounts in your comparison which is odd is all. I mean whats a better source of protein? chicken or peanuts?
100 grams of chicken has 30 grams of protein roughly and 1 cup of peanuts has 38 grams, clearly peanuts are better!
I used multi-quotes to refresh your memory since I initially only mentioned berries, and you started rambling about broccoli and bananas. It looks like you need to up your blueberry intake to combat your memory loss and poor comprehension skills.
Enhanced task-related brain activation and resting perfusion in healthy older adults after chronic blueberry supplementation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28249119/
Blueberry supplementation improves memory in older adults
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20047325/
Now you’re bringing up chicken vs peanut protein and psyllium husk? Oh brother! I didn’t say berries were the most superior source of fiber on the planet. I said they were a good source of fiber. It’s funny how the Mayo Clinic agrees with me, but Getbigger “Necrosis” is implying that I’m wrong, and sugar is “bad shit”. That statement is a very weak generalization and very dogmatic sounding. Are you a low sugar zealot?
Fructose, Obesity, and Related Epidemiology
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3024838/
“Furthermore, meta-analyses of limited data have shown that fructose at doses consumed by the majority of persons in the United States will lower HbA1c and marginally, although not significantly, improve insulin sensitivity and fasting plasma triglycerides.”
You need to brush up on your berry research. Berries have anthocyanidins, anthocyanins, ellagic acid, flavonoids, and resveratrol. Are you going to disagree with that, too? With your flawed logic, you’ll probably compare blueberries with red wine to compare resveratrol content since that’s how your mind wanders in this thread....
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I think the best diet would be meat, vegetables, and fruit.
This is my opinion with no scientific basis.
Combo of nuts ,veggies & fruits ;)
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This fruit debate is going to tear this forum to shreds.
Hopefully we get get alignment soon.
Freshly press sugar cane juice or white process sugar !.
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Freshly press sugar cane juice or white process sugar !.
sugar cane juice, and some prune juice to keep me "regular"
:P
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I used multi-quotes to refresh your memory since I initially only mentioned berries, and you started rambling about broccoli and bananas. It looks like you need to up your blueberry intake to combat your memory loss and poor comprehension skills.
Enhanced task-related brain activation and resting perfusion in healthy older adults after chronic blueberry supplementation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28249119/
Blueberry supplementation improves memory in older adults
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20047325/
Now you’re bringing up chicken vs peanut protein and psyllium husk? Oh brother! I didn’t say berries were the most superior source of fiber on the planet. I said they were a good source of fiber. It’s funny how the Mayo Clinic agrees with me, but Getbigger “Necrosis” is implying that I’m wrong, and sugar is “bad shit”.
Fructose, Obesity, and Related Epidemiology
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3024838/
“Furthermore, meta-analyses of limited data have shown that fructose at doses consumed by the majority of persons in the United States will lower HbA1c and marginally, although not significantly, improve insulin sensitivity and fasting plasma triglycerides.”
You need to brush up on your berry research. Berries have anthocyanidins, anthocyanins, ellagic acid, flavonoids, and resveratrol. Are you going to disagree with that, too? With your flawed logic, you’ll probably compare blueberries with red wine to compare resveratrol content since that’s how your mind wanders in this thread....
meltdown!!! lololol.
my comparison was making fun of your comparing 1 cup of raspberries to 3.5 cups of broccoli lolol. sorry if that was lost on you.
I am going to have to ask you to calm down, you are arguing strawmen here, I didn't even comment on blueberries and I agree blueberries are great. Berries are great! but veggies are better! I could provide ample papars on sulforaphane alone that would bury anything on blueberries and all its polyphenols.
You are punching above your weight, I'll give you points for how much spunk you have though. Fructose lowers HBA1C by replacing glucose, its non insulinogenic as I said earlier, which makes sense. I would have to go through the heterogeneity of that meta-analysis to draw meaningful conclusions, all of them aren't created equal.
The blueberry studies are useless as well, would other antioxidants do as well, what are the diets like etc. its a correlation study.
I want you to relax ok... I am correct, veggies are better, berries are the best fruit by a landslide. relax.
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Combo of nuts ,veggies & fruits ;)
Nuts ok for sure.
Updated list:
Meat and dairy, veggies, fruit, nuts.
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not surprised you guys love nuts
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sugar cane juice, and some prune juice to keep me "regular"
:P
yesterday I was standing near sugar cane press , but no thanks :-\
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Even the staunchest anti-sugar advocate gives fruit a pass... By why? A normal apple has 20-50 grams of sugar. Five servings of fruit a day? Probably over 100 grams of sugar, any way you alive it.
Some authorities say not to eat more than 25 grams of sugar a day. Everyone loves to hate soda, which has 40-50 grams a can. Whats the difference between eating a couple fruits and drinking a can of soda?
Some people mention the fiber... Do you really believe it "slows absoption"? Subjectively, I don't feel anything to confirm this oft-cited reason, not have I ever seen any research to suggest this.
Micronutrients? Plug fruit into chronometer... It has very little. Eat your vegetables and whatever micros you get from fruit will be a negligible portion of your overall intake. A bunch of spinach, broccoli, carrots, kale, and bell peppers would be a much better investment. Same with phytonutrients, antioxidants, and all the other mystery nutrients that the plant-based gurus prattle on about.
Seriously, I don't get it. Have a candy bar, chocolate bar, or soda and you're killing babies, but remember to get three to five servings of fruit!
Aren't you the getbigger with an eating disorder?
Think I'll pass on the nutrition advice.
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I just ate a handful of grapes and blueberries.
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Fruit contains natural sugars, which are a mix of sucrose, fructose and glucose. Many people have heard that sugar is bad, and think that this must also therefore apply to fruits. But fructose is only harmful in excess amounts, and not when it comes from fruit.
•Cranberry – cleanses the urinary tract. Grapefruit – helps ease constipation.
•Orange – a go-to source for vitamin C but also good at reducing inflammation.
•Pineapple – a reliable contributor to joint health.
•Pomegranate – another good choice for the urinary tract.
end the madness
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Aren't you the getbigger with an eating disorder?
Think I'll pass on the nutrition advice.
The?
???
You mean there's only one of us?
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I've just said fuck it to my health. Today I ate a mixture of blueberries, blackberries, raspberries and strawberries. I just don't care anymore.
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im staying away from fruits
and that includes faggs
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I've just said fuck it to my health. Today I ate a mixture of blueberries, blackberries, raspberries and strawberries. I just don't care anymore.
PIP
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im staying away from fruits
and that includes faggs
so no more 1 apple,1 pear & 1/2 banana smoothie ........... :'( :P
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people are dumb, berries will kill you. no ifs, ands or buts
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people are dumb, berries will kill you. no ifs, ands or buts
Falling coconuts ,5kg Jack fruit or 3kg Durian is deadly (no joke here). :P
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im staying away from fruits
and that includes faggs
Sure you are, Francis.
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I just spent $14 for a fruit salad at the pool on the 4th and it was yummy and I felt zero shame eating it.
i never really feel guilty eating fruit as ive stated before
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Today:
- celery juice 350ml
- smoothie: 4 bananas, 1 avocado,tea spoon of Musashi AA
- celery juice 500ml + Durian + 1 tea spoon of AA
- adzuki beans 2oo gr + 150gr of baby spinach
- smoothie :3 bananas,avocado,black grapes, AA :)
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Today:
- celery juice 350ml
- smoothie: 4 bananas, 1 avocado,tea spoon of Musashi AA
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fag