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Title: UFC 247
Post by: indie-lad on February 08, 2020, 03:53:53 PM
Jones vs Reyes, who you got?

Schevchenko by murder!

It's time to post some links!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 08, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
Jones vs Reyes, who you got?

Schevchenko by murder!

It's time to post some links!

Bone Bones VS Bones Jones

Roy Thomas VS Cimino


The One Above All VS Jack Kirby
(http://ripple.is/mma/12531-ufc-live-stream)

(https://thumb-p8.xhcdn.com/a/LVcffAi2Yp0cvG3xG-oreA/000/347/220/728_1000.jpg)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: indie-lad on February 08, 2020, 04:56:09 PM
Thank you Kwon! You are the master of links!!!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 05:01:26 PM
Jones vs Reyes, who you got?

Schevchenko by murder!

It's time to post some links!

I can never rule out Jon Jones...but it would be cool to see an upset.  I'm going with Jones, but I hope Reyes puts up a good fight.

Also, check this out from the UFC 247 early prelims on UFC Fight Pass: Journey Newson wrecks Domingo Pilarte in 38 seconds!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 08, 2020, 05:03:09 PM
(https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20171121/rs_634x1024-171221095246-634.Robert-De-Niro-Al-Pacino-J2R-122117.jpg?fit=inside|900:auto&output-quality=90)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: harmankardon1 on February 08, 2020, 05:12:01 PM
Fuck me does deniro look retarded or what^

Cannot even remotely carry a badass role anymore.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: D.O.A. on February 08, 2020, 05:16:13 PM
If D.C. and Gustafsson couldn't beat Jones, I'm pretty sure Reyes is not going to change this.
It's going to be a great fight, both fighters have a great record. My money is on Bones.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 08, 2020, 05:39:25 PM
If D.C. and Gustafsson couldn't beat Jones, I'm pretty sure Reyes is not going to change this.
It's going to be a great fight, both fighters have a great record. My money is on Bones.


Darren Avey could, but he chooses not to, since he prefers giving us advice about the streets, da cage and Nectar Rewards on Getbig.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: indie-lad on February 08, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
Need more links
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 06:35:24 PM
Need more links

Really?  Works fine for me.  I guess I got lucky.

Lol @ the decision in the Murphy vs. Lee fight [I can't remember who was on the "A" side, or what the order was of the results presented].  But how do three judges get this result?:

29-28 Murphy
29-28 Lee
30-27 Murphy

So three judges each gave a completely different result: one judge gave her one round, another judge gave her two rounds, and the third judge gave her three rounds.

In the listing above, it would be the second judge who gave Murphy only one round, whereas the third judge gave Murphy all three rounds.

And that as the second fight tonight that had a result like that.  The other was a male fight, and Rogan said that it was criminal that anyone would give all three rounds to the fighter who got the 30-27.

Here's the fight that I'm talking about:

Bantamweight Andre Ewell def. Jonathan Martinez Decision (split) (28-29, 29-28, 30-27)

^ ROFL!  Again, with one judge giving all three rounds to a fighter, and another judge giving that same fighter only one round of three.

Is UFC judging generally considered worse than IFBB judging?  I realize that both are subjective [for MMA, in the case of decisions, they are subjective], but I never thought any judging would be considered worse than the IFBB, lol.  It seems that the UFC judges get a lot of criticism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_247
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Schnauzer on February 08, 2020, 06:35:38 PM
Need more links

http://crackstreams.com/mmastreams/watch-ufc-247-jones-vs-reyes/ (http://crackstreams.com/mmastreams/watch-ufc-247-jones-vs-reyes/)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 07:03:21 PM
Damn, that Middleweight Trevin Giles vs. James Krause split decision victory for Giles was amazing!

I honestly had it a 28-28 Draw.  Assuming that the third round [the round I considered a draw] would be judged 9-9.  I'm not sure how tied rounds are judged.

I had it 10-9 Krause in round one, and 10-9 Giles in round two.  Making it 19-19 going into round three, which I thought was a draw.

But admittedly, if I HAD to pick a winner for round three...I would have picked Giles.  But it was damn close though!

Wow, was that ever a crazy fight, lol.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: D.O.A. on February 08, 2020, 07:22:29 PM

Darren Avey could, but he chooses not to, since he prefers giving us advice about the streets, da cage and Nectar Rewards on Getbig.

:D including Ford the mass-machines next fight, on the streets of India with 28 million followers? 
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 07:28:27 PM

Darren Avey could, but he chooses not to, since he prefers giving us advice about the streets, da cage and Nectar Rewards on Getbig.


Kwon,

Did you see this "Swedish" fighter [Albanian from Sweden] fight 6'3" Black Beast Derrick Lewis?

I'm intrigued seeing a manlet fight in the heavyweight division!

I follow the reasoning that 5'10" is the "King of the Manlets".  ;D

"Swedish" fighter Ilir Latifi!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilir_Latifi

At 5'10", he may be the shortest fighter in the heavyweight class!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Schnauzer on February 08, 2020, 07:48:11 PM
Kwon not used to seeing an ass that big on a man.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: OneMoreRep on February 08, 2020, 08:55:34 PM
Bone Bones VS Bones Jones

Roy Thomas VS Cimino


The One Above All VS Jack Kirby
(http://ripple.is/mma/12531-ufc-live-stream)

Great links Kwon!

"1"
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 08, 2020, 09:06:19 PM
Kwon not used to seeing an ass that big on a man.

LOL!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 08, 2020, 09:06:59 PM
Kwon,

Did you see this "Swedish" fighter [Albanian from Sweden] fight 6'3" Black Beast Derrick Lewis?

I'm intrigued seeing a manlet fight in the heavyweight division!

I follow the reasoning that 5'10" is the "King of the Manlets".  ;D

"Swedish" fighter Ilir Latifi!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilir_Latifi

At 5'10", he may be the shortest fighter in the heavyweight class!

Don't forget Fedor was small for a heavyweight as well!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 09:12:20 PM
Don't forget Fedor was small for a heavyweight as well!

Yes - 5'11.5"!  Under six feet is one level of manlet, but I think the legitimate manlet standard starts at 5'10" - as the meme showing the "King of the Manlets" states.  ;D

Also, as a manlet myself, it is inspiring seeing other manlets at the top of the world level in elite sports!

Your link is working great!!  I buy pay-per-views almost every time, and your pirated links are streaming as fast as the paid streams!  Maybe even faster!

I was about to say - Hurry up and KO this bitch!  Glad that's over, lol!

Let's go Jones and Reyes! ;D
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 09:38:40 PM
Finally - Jones vs. Reyes!

Don't blink - it's going to be a good one!

PS - any movie recommendations for after the main event tonight?  I'm taking the winter off before deciding what to do for the second half of my life, and just want to watch a movie and do nothing.  Preferably an Ironage movie [1981-1991 would be cool].
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pellius on February 08, 2020, 09:39:02 PM
http://crackstreams.com/mmastreams/watch-ufc-247-jones-vs-reyes/ (http://crackstreams.com/mmastreams/watch-ufc-247-jones-vs-reyes/)


Link just died right when they were introducing John Jones
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 09:44:37 PM

Link just died right when they were introducing John Jones

pellius, try here:

Bone Bones VS Bones Jones

Roy Thomas VS Cimino

The One Above All VS Jack Kirby
(http://ripple.is/mma/12531-ufc-live-stream)

Round one:

10-9 for Dominick Reyes!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Tkeeze on February 08, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
pellius, try here:

Bone Bones VS Bones Jones

Roy Thomas VS Cimino

The One Above All VS Jack Kirby
(http://ripple.is/mma/12531-ufc-live-stream)

Round one:

10-9 for Dominick Reyes!
That link doesn't work either
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 09:50:22 PM
Based on significant strikes, it's looking like this so far:

Round 1: 10-9 for Dominick Reyes!
Round 2: 10-9 for Dominick Reyes!


 :o :o :o
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 09:52:53 PM
That link doesn't work either

Damn, that's too bad - it's working for me:

http://ripple.is/mma/12531-ufc-live-stream

I think you have to be patient while pressing the play button - sometimes, an ad pops up, but after enough time, the actual fight does start.  It took me three tries [or maybe four] before the fight finally played!  But ever since the fight played, there have been no problems with that stream!  Heck, it's been even more stable than many of the times I bought the fights on pay-per-view, lol!!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Flexacon on February 08, 2020, 09:55:20 PM
Reyass (for days) putting up a a great fight, but you fear the next 2 rounds will go in favour of Jones. Might need a knockout or submission though.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Tkeeze on February 08, 2020, 09:57:44 PM
You are right...it works!!!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Reyass (for days) putting up a a great fight, but you fear the next 2 rounds will go in favour of Jones. Might need a knockout or submission though.

Yep!  It will be interesting to see if Jones can pull off a finish in the remainder of the fourth round, or in the fifth.

Some people in the live chat have Dominick Reyes up 3 rounds to 0 so far.  :o
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: chaos on February 08, 2020, 10:01:03 PM
The announcers should just suck Jones' dick already. ::)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 10:01:12 PM
You are right...it works!!!

Glad it worked out for you!  I think this fight was definitely worth watching.  A lot more entertaining than the 40 second main event last time out, lol.  ;D  Not to knock on Conor, but it was a fight that was over almost before I realized it had gotten started.  :D :-X
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Flexacon on February 08, 2020, 10:01:47 PM
3-1 Reyes for me. Jones needs a big round and some shitty ifbb type judging to win
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 10:07:30 PM
It looks like it may be 48-47 for Dominick Reyes!

[fair judging/scorecards permitting]
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 10:09:56 PM
3-1 Reyes for me. Jones needs a big round and some shitty ifbb type judging to win

These judges made at least two awful decisions tonight - if not three.

At least two fights had judges scoring, respectively, one round, two round, and three rounds of three for one of the fighters.

Lol @ one judge giving a fighter 1 of 3 rounds, another giving that same fighter in that same fight 2 of 3 rounds, and the third judge giving that same fighter in that same fight all 3 of 3 rounds.

So yeah, given how horrible some of the judging was tonight, it wouldn't surprise me if we get a decision here that is just as bad as some we have seen in the IFBB.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Flexacon on February 08, 2020, 10:10:00 PM
Bad call, although not the worst one ever.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Tennisballz on February 08, 2020, 10:10:06 PM
Wish I had been able to watch this one.  Jones has won multiple questionable decisions and has been given chance after chance after failed drug tests.  It’s time for him to go and get some fresh faces.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2020, 10:12:43 PM
LOL - WHO THE FUCK GAVE JON JONES 4 OF 5 ROUNDS?

PLEASE!

That was a 48-47 at best!  It would have been like when GSP "won" 48-47 against Hendricks by two judges in a split decision, when it should have probably been 48-47 for Hendricks across the board.

I would be less annoyed with 48-47 Jones here, or a split decision with 48-47 from two judges awarded to Jones, with one judge giving the fight 48-47 to Reyes.

But 48-47, 48-47, and 49-46, all for Jones...I can't respect that...

 :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: WalterWhite on February 08, 2020, 10:14:17 PM
LOL - WHO THE FUCK GAVE JON JONES 4 OF 5 ROUNDS?

PLEASE!

That was a 48-47 at best!  It would have been like when GSP "won" 48-47 against Hendricks by two judges in a split decision, when it should have probably been 48-47 for Hendricks across the board.

I would be less annoyed with 48-47 Jones here, or a split decision with 48-47 from two judges awarded to Jones, with one judge giving the fight 48-47 to Reyes.

But 48-47, 48-47, and 49-46, all for Jones...I can't respect that...

 :-X :-X :-X


This
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: chaos on February 08, 2020, 10:15:47 PM
LOL - WHO THE FUCK GAVE JON JONES 4 OF 5 ROUNDS?

PLEASE!

That was a 48-47 at best!  It would have been like when GSP "won" 48-47 against Hendricks by two judges in a split decision, when it should have probably been 48-47 for Hendricks across the board.

I would be less annoyed with 48-47 Jones here, or a split decision with 48-47 from two judges awarded to Jones, with one judge giving the fight 48-47 to Reyes.

But 48-47, 48-47, and 49-46, all for Jones...I can't respect that...

 :-X :-X :-X
Yeah, pretty shitty. They keep trying to say the takedowns were the difference, bullshit, Jones wasn't able to keep him down or cause damage the short time he had him down.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Tennisballz on February 08, 2020, 10:25:47 PM
This is 2 fights in a row for Jones where the majority here think he lost.  Obviously the UFC is hanging on to him but why?  From what I understand, he isn’t a particularly big draw and he’s always a liability to get caught doping.  I don’t really follow the sport so I may be wrong about this but it seems like it would be better business to move on with someone new.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pellius on February 08, 2020, 10:27:36 PM
Everybody had to be impressed with Reyes but to take a title away it has to be a pretty decisive win. Jones' has been looking less impressive in his last few fights. I don't know if it's because the competition is getting better or he's starting to fade. I mean, he's been champ for about ten years now. Now seems to be the cut off point for the super greats like St.Pierre and Anderson Silva.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: OneMoreRep on February 08, 2020, 10:34:28 PM
I have a feeling this will be Jones' last fight at light heavyweight. I see him walking away from the division with the most wins and being considered the GOAT in the light heavies. He will then go to the heavyweight division, win the first fight (likely a top 15 guy) and then likely lose his second (possibly a top 5 fighter or championship fight). I think he is getting tired or at least I thought he looked exhausted or empty when walking to the octagon. He almost looked as if he had experienced an adrenaline dump and couldn't find his drive.

I also felt that rounds 1-3 belonged to Reyes and 4-5 were to Jones. Leaving the fight to the judges is never a good idea.

"1"
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Mayday on February 08, 2020, 10:54:36 PM
Everybody had to be impressed with Reyes but to take a title away it has to be a pretty decisive win. Jones' has been looking less impressive in his last few fights. I don't know if it's because the competition is getting better or he's starting to fade. I mean, he's been champ for about ten years now. Now seems to be the cut off point for the super greats like St.Pierre and Anderson Silva.

If it's a close fight, i can see why the.champ would remain.

But why if it's not a close fight does it mean the champ still wins?  How many points is this non-existant rule worth? It can't be as long as a piece of string otherwise you get shit results like this that make a mockery of the sport. 

The take downs cant be awrded because latifi did 3 against lewis and wasnt awarded any points. Both Lewis and the main card was rigged for any decision. It's insane.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pellius on February 09, 2020, 12:28:48 AM
If it's a close fight, i can see why the.champ would remain.

But why if it's not a close fight does it mean the champ still wins?  How many points is this non-existant rule worth? It can't be as long as a piece of string otherwise you get shit results like this that make a mockery of the sport. 

The take downs cant be awrded because latifi did 3 against lewis and wasnt awarded any points. Both Lewis and the main card was rigged for any decision. It's insane.

I thought it was a close fight. Any doubts the champ always wins. It has to be decisive and clear cut.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: honest on February 09, 2020, 01:10:46 AM
going by rounds Reyes 3 to 2 all day but in  saying that Jones being champion closed out the fight last two rounds, certainly did enough for an immediate rematch. Great fight, good cardio on Jones have to give him credit he really fight the last two rounds hard, Reyes understandably was exhausted, the judge who had Jones winning 4 rounds to 1 is a disgrace 1 and 2 were easily reyes, the third was closer but he landed more blows and also landed more clean blows.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pamith on February 09, 2020, 04:01:26 AM
Was Reyes robbed? (I haven't seen the fight yet)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 09, 2020, 04:32:15 AM
Was Reyes robbed? (I haven't seen the fight yet)

HIGHWAYROBBERY!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pamith on February 09, 2020, 04:38:55 AM
HIGHWAYROBBERY!
This sucks bro!
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: AbrahamG on February 09, 2020, 09:07:29 AM
HIGHWAYROBBERY!

Shut up Teddy Atlas.  4-1 Jones is bullshit. 3-2 either way is perfectly legit. Reyes won the first two and Jones won the last two. Round 3 was a close, swing round. It ebbed and flowed.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
Shut up Teddy Atlas.  4-1 Jones is bullshit. 3-2 either way is perfectly legit. Reyes won the first two and Jones won the last two. Round 3 was a close, swing round. It ebbed and flowed.

I think you summarized it well there...I was thinking about it, and realized that I could have more easily accepted two judges giving Jones 48-47 if the third judge gave Reyes 49-46.

Then you'd get some impression that there was some justice among the judges.

If you look at three of the fights earlier that night, you see how bad some of the judging was:

Andre Ewell def. Jonathan Martinez [judges gave Ewell 28–29, 29–28, 30–27, which meant that one judge gave Ewell 1 of 3 rounds, another judge gave him 2 of 3 rounds, and the final judge gave him all 3 of 3 rounds, LOL...as if all three judges were watching a completely different fight!]

Lauren Murphy def. Andrea Lee [judges gave Murphy 28–29, 29–28, 30–27, yet again a result in the same format is the one directly above, which means that one judge gave Murphy 1 of 3 rounds, another judge gave her 2 of 3 rounds, and the final judge gave her all 3 of 3 rounds, LOL...where is the consistency in judging here??]

Trevin Giles def. James Krause [judges gave Giles a split decision victory in this one, with 28–29, 29–28, 29–28 for Giles, which meant one judge gave him 1 of 3 rounds, and both other judges gave him 2 of 3 rounds...I would have given Krause round one and Giles round two, making them go in to round three 19-19, and then scored round three a draw!  I don't know if that would have made the fight a 28-28 draw, because I don't know if draws are given scores.  If I absolutely had to pick a winner, I would have gone with Giles...so I can accept this outcome, but I wish judges were more willing to score fights draws.  No one is going to be upset with a judge awarding two fighters a draw if the fight is very close].

Derrick Lewis def. Ilir Latifi [all three judges gave Derrick Lewis 29–28, 29–28, 29–28.  Lewis would have won the third round for sure, but I'm not sure which of the first two rounds were given to Lewis...man, is Lewis one scary N when he goes on a flurry/rampage of punches!  Powerful dude!  I really don't know why Lewis should have been awarded either of the first two rounds though...I feel like he was just given one of those rounds due to name favouritism]

And then we have the Jon Jones vs. Dominick Reyes decision...I could have handled a straight up 48-47 Jones, and a split decision, with two judges giving Jones 48-47, and the final judge giving Reyes 48-47 - or even better, the third judge giving Reyes 49-46.  :o

That would have shown everyone that the fight was close, but that there was at least one "rogue" judge, who felt that Reyes won - and not exactly closely at that!

Or even GSP vs. Hendricks style, with one dissenting judge giving Reyes 48-47, the same way that one gave that to Hendricks, which allowed GSP to squeak out a decision victory, but only narrowly.

The awarding of 49-46 for Jones is what annoys me here.

tl;dr

My question is:

Are the judges who score these fights even trained officials, or are they just fight fans?  After all, it's not like UFCs come to Houston, Texas every weekend...so how do they pick the judges for each state?  Are they just fight fans with vague ties to MMA, or are they more qualified than that?

I think one of the commentators was saying that they just pick boxing commissioners to judge UFC fights.  If so, that might make sense why the judging is a bit off, because boxing judges wouldn't know how to judge other aspects of fighting, that we see in MMA.

I've seen far worse decisions happen [including this very night], but it would have been cool if Reyes had the upset victory.

As for Jones...someone wrote in this thread that he isn't a big PPV draw.  Why would that be?  Dude wins every fight he's in, lol.  He doesn't bring the UFC money?  Why would that be?  ???
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 10:10:23 AM
Judging Lore: "To beat the champ, you have to knock him out."

Jay Cutler: "Hold my ampule of LASIX!"
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: chaos on February 09, 2020, 10:11:49 AM
Would 5 judges make it fair?
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: joswift on February 09, 2020, 10:47:46 AM
Would 5 judges make it fair?

Dana wont shell out for 5 judges..
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 10:57:37 AM
Dana wont shell out for 5 judges..

Dana White is to the UFC what Joe Weider was to bodybuilding:

He controls the entire industry.

Imagine controlling an entire industry?  The only person with more power in the UFC is Lord Jacob Rothschild, who controls the banks that the UFC does its business with.

Dana White, and previously Joe Weider, were both agents of the Rothschild family.  But other than Jacob Rothschild, Dana White has full control of the UFC and the world of MMA, just like Joe Weider had full control of the Mr. Olympia contest, and the world of bodybuilding, prior to his death in 2013.  :o
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
Would 5 judges make it fair?

The UFC final results are ultimately fully in the hands of Lord Jacob Rothschild - Baron Rothschild.  He has what amounts to, effectively, veto power over all judging decisions before they are finalized.

So if there ever is a result that Jacob Rothschild disagrees with, he has full power to change that result.

Jacob Rothschild ultimately controls which fighters win or lose - which go on to become champions, and which become dynasty winners in the sport.

Could you imagine if your family controlled the entire world, aside from the central banks of only 3 or 5 or 7 countries, depending on the meme you read?  :o ;D

Incredible financial power and influence!  I'd love to own all these banks, the IFBB, the UFC, etc.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 12:28:39 PM
Dana White chimes in about the result of Jones vs. Reyes:

Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pellius on February 09, 2020, 12:36:18 PM
Dana White is to the UFC what Joe Weider was to bodybuilding:

He controls the entire industry.

Imagine controlling an entire industry?  The only person with more power in the UFC is Lord Jacob Rothschild, who controls the banks that the UFC does its business with.

Dana White, and previously Joe Weider, were both agents of the Rothschild family.  But other than Jacob Rothschild, Dana White has full control of the UFC and the world of MMA, just like Joe Weider had full control of the Mr. Olympia contest, and the world of bodybuilding, prior to his death in 2013.  :o

Oh God, Matt! So now the Jews control the UFC. White doesn't even pick the judges and if it were up to him then Mazzagati wouldn't even be a judge. And how many times has he stated publicly that he thought a certain decision was bull shit.

Talk about trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. But when you have an agenda you'll say anything to fit your narrative. That works against you because you lose credibility. Most people read this and just roll their eyes. 


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1275801-mma-referee-steve-mazzagatti-we-dont-work-for-dana-white
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: AbrahamG on February 09, 2020, 12:43:39 PM
I think you summarized it well there...I was thinking about it, and realized that I could have more easily accepted two judges giving Jones 48-47 if the third judge gave Reyes 49-46.

Then you'd get some impression that there was some justice among the judges.

If you look at three of the fights earlier that night, you see how bad some of the judging was:

Andre Ewell def. Jonathan Martinez [judges gave Ewell 28–29, 29–28, 30–27, which meant that one judge gave Ewell 1 of 3 rounds, another judge gave him 2 of 3 rounds, and the final judge gave him all 3 of 3 rounds, LOL...as if all three judges were watching a completely different fight!]

Lauren Murphy def. Andrea Lee [judges gave Murphy 28–29, 29–28, 30–27, yet again a result in the same format is the one directly above, which means that one judge gave Murphy 1 of 3 rounds, another judge gave her 2 of 3 rounds, and the final judge gave her all 3 of 3 rounds, LOL...where is the consistency in judging here??]

Trevin Giles def. James Krause [judges gave Giles a split decision victory in this one, with 28–29, 29–28, 29–28 for Giles, which meant one judge gave him 1 of 3 rounds, and both other judges gave him 2 of 3 rounds...I would have given Krause round one and Giles round two, making them go in to round three 19-19, and then scored round three a draw!  I don't know if that would have made the fight a 28-28 draw, because I don't know if draws are given scores.  If I absolutely had to pick a winner, I would have gone with Giles...so I can accept this outcome, but I wish judges were more willing to score fights draws.  No one is going to be upset with a judge awarding two fighters a draw if the fight is very close].

Derrick Lewis def. Ilir Latifi [all three judges gave Derrick Lewis 29–28, 29–28, 29–28.  Lewis would have won the third round for sure, but I'm not sure which of the first two rounds were given to Lewis...man, is Lewis one scary N when he goes on a flurry/rampage of punches!  Powerful dude!  I really don't know why Lewis should have been awarded either of the first two rounds though...I feel like he was just given one of those rounds due to name favouritism]

And then we have the Jon Jones vs. Dominick Reyes decision...I could have handled a straight up 48-47 Jones, and a split decision, with two judges giving Jones 48-47, and the final judge giving Reyes 48-47 - or even better, the third judge giving Reyes 49-46.  :o

That would have shown everyone that the fight was close, but that there was at least one "rogue" judge, who felt that Reyes won - and not exactly closely at that!

Or even GSP vs. Hendricks style, with one dissenting judge giving Reyes 48-47, the same way that one gave that to Hendricks, which allowed GSP to squeak out a decision victory, but only narrowly.

The awarding of 49-46 for Jones is what annoys me here.

tl;dr

My question is:

Are the judges who score these fights even trained officials, or are they just fight fans?  After all, it's not like UFCs come to Houston, Texas every weekend...so how do they pick the judges for each state?  Are they just fight fans with vague ties to MMA, or are they more qualified than that?

I think one of the commentators was saying that they just pick boxing commissioners to judge UFC fights.  If so, that might make sense why the judging is a bit off, because boxing judges wouldn't know how to judge other aspects of fighting, that we see in MMA.

I've seen far worse decisions happen [including this very night], but it would have been cool if Reyes had the upset victory.

As for Jones...someone wrote in this thread that he isn't a big PPV draw.  Why would that be?  Dude wins every fight he's in, lol.  He doesn't bring the UFC money?  Why would that be?  ???

4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit as well. Doesn't matter split or unanimous so long as the scores were within reason.

4-1 Jones was in line with the horrible scorecards all night long.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: che on February 09, 2020, 01:02:43 PM
4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit as well. Doesn't matter split or unanimous so long as the scores were within reason.

4-1 Jones was in line with the horrible scorecards all night long.

I don't know this particular judge but I heard these were boxing judges ,  back in the day (in boxing ) you could win a fight  just coming forward , some  judges rewarded more the aggressive fighters  than defensive fighters even if the aggressor didn't land a punch , this same  judge gave   3 round to Lewis  ::)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
Oh God, Matt! So now the Jews control the UFC. White doesn't even pick the judges and if it were up to him then Mazzagati wouldn't even be a judge. And how many times has he stated publicly that he thought a certain decision was bull shit.

Talk about trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. But when you have an agenda you'll say anything to fit your narrative. That works against you because you lose credibility. Most people read this and just roll their eyes. 


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1275801-mma-referee-steve-mazzagatti-we-dont-work-for-dana-white

I suppose you could say "the Jews", since the entire world is controlled by the Rothschild family, and since they are a Jewish family - I guess that means that the ultimate ownership of the world is controlled by Jews.

 ;D

After all, pellius - don't you read memes online!

Look at this meme right here - it says it right here - the Rothschild family controls our "news", "the media", our oil, and our government.

Doesn't this meme settle it?  ???

It doesn't mention whether or not the Rothschild family owns Hawaii, but I would assume that, yes, they do.  8) ;D
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 01:40:36 PM
4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit as well. Doesn't matter split or unanimous so long as the scores were within reason.

4-1 Jones was in line with the horrible scorecards all night long.


I agree that 4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit, but had two judges given Jones 48-47, with the dissenting judge giving Reyes 49-46 [4-1], I wouldn't have had that feeling of politics and the whole "Knock out the champ" trope/lore.

I guess what I mean is that at least I would have had some faith that these fights could be judged in a way that deviates from that "Knock out the champ" lore.

I'm just saying that a lone judge giving Reyes 4-1 would have given me more faith in the judging/scoring system than Jones getting that lone 4-1 vote.

A straight 48-47 for either fighter, or a split decision 48-47 from two judges to one fighter, with another judge giving 48-47 to the other fighter would have also been fine with me, regardless of which fighter won.

I'm just saying that if I had to pick a 49-46 [4 rounds to 1] for one fighter, I would have given that to Reyes.  I'm not saying I think that's fair - just more fair than a 49-46 for Jones.

TheWeasle does pretty good breakdowns on YouTube:

Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 09, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
The UFC final results are ultimately fully in the hands of Lord Jacob Rothschild - Baron Rothschild.  He has what amounts to, effectively, veto power over all judging decisions before they are finalized.

So if there ever is a result that Jacob Rothschild disagrees with, he has full power to change that result.

Jacob Rothschild ultimately controls which fighters win or lose - which go on to become champions, and which become dynasty winners in the sport.

Could you imagine if your family controlled the entire world, aside from the central banks of only 3 or 5 or 7 countries, depending on the meme you read?  :o ;D

Incredible financial power and influence!  I'd love to own all these banks, the IFBB, the UFC, etc.
I don't ever recall our war with Iceland. ???
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 09, 2020, 02:01:51 PM
I don't ever recall our war with Iceland. ???

That point is covered in this article:

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And I must have missed the last time we went to war with Iceland, but maybe it's in a non-Rothschild funded history book.

 ;D

https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/04/07/busting-some-rothschild-family-facebook-memes
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Flexacon on February 09, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
We need Bob Chick to chime in to explain wtf went down with the judging
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 09, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
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Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pellius on February 10, 2020, 12:30:02 AM
I suppose you could say "the Jews", since the entire world is controlled by the Rothschild family, and since they are a Jewish family - I guess that means that the ultimate ownership of the world is controlled by Jews.

 ;D

After all, pellius - don't you read memes online!

Look at this meme right here - it says it right here - the Rothschild family controls our "news", "the media", our oil, and our government.

Doesn't this meme settle it?  ???

It doesn't mention whether or not the Rothschild family owns Hawaii, but I would assume that, yes, they do.  8) ;D

The Japanese far surpass the Jews as far as ownership of this island. Or do the Jew own Japan, too?

How come you are afraid of answering my very direct question. What do you want to do with the Jews and with Israel? Not what you think the Jews should do? ("Notmake me rich" as one lose said). What YOU want to do? I've asked this several times of you and other anti-Semites on this board and they avoid answering it. Don't you feel ashamed and emasculated that such a tiny majority controls your life and you are so weak and submissive to do anything about it?
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 10, 2020, 12:55:07 AM
The Japanese far surpass the Jews as far as ownership of this island. Or do the Jew own Japan, too?

How come you are afraid of answering my very direct question. What do you want to do with the Jews and with Israel? Not what you think the Jews should do? ("Notmake me rich" as one lose said). What YOU want to do? I've asked this several times of you and other anti-Semites on this board and they avoid answering it. Don't you feel ashamed and emasculated that such a tiny majority controls your life and you are so weak and submissive to do anything about it?

I believe the best thing the Jews and the Mussies should do is beat it. They're out to get you, so better leave while you can.
Don't want to be a boy, you want to be a man. You want to stay alive, so you better do what you can. So beat it, just beat it.

Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 10, 2020, 01:26:25 AM
pellius - before addressing your second very important question, I would like to address your first one:

The Japanese far surpass the Jews as far as ownership of this island. Or do the Jew own Japan, too?

Yes.  Yes, they do.

Ultimately, Lord Rothschild owns Japan.  And Hawaii.

Wow.  Talk about powerful!  But the meme says it's true, so it must be true:

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=661311.0;attach=785808;image)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: joswift on February 10, 2020, 01:28:52 AM
pellius - before addressing your second very important question, I would like to address your first one:

Yes.  Yes, they do.

Ultimately, Lord Rothschild owns Japan.  And Hawaii.

Wow.  Talk about powerful!  But the meme says it's true, so it must be true:

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=661311.0;attach=785808;image)
(https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/mrburns-696x442.png)
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 10, 2020, 01:55:14 AM
(https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/mrburns-696x442.png)

LOL!!!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Kwon on February 10, 2020, 01:58:48 AM
LOL!!!

 ;D ;D ;D


Does that mean that We, The People, are Homer Simps?
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 10, 2020, 05:45:22 AM

Does that mean that We, The People, are Homer Simps?

In depends on whether or not the Rothschild family memes are true.  Skeptoid states that Rothschild family memes do not hold up to scrutiny:

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There's also some text, full of the usual Rothschild-related distortions and lies. Part of it reads:

"My family is worth 500 trillion dollars."

This is a ludicrous accusation that seems to have appeared out of thin air and been accepted as gospel truth by internet conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites. It obviously doesn't pass the smell test, but just to be sure I looked for the source of the claim. There isn't one, or at least not one I could find. It appears to be completely made up.

https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/04/07/busting-some-rothschild-family-facebook-memes

Interesting!  After sending my friend that blurb about the Rothschild family, I asked my friend about a girl he had been with, who I was attracted to.  I asked "Does her vagina pass the smell test?"  He immediately started laughing, LOL.  :D

Incidentally, I found out later that her vagina definitely passed the smell test!  Her vagina was so nice and fishy - a bit fishy.  Nothing crazy, just a bit fishy.

I love examining women's vaginas to see if their vaginas pass the smell test!

Also, an analysis of Jon Jones razor thin "win" over Dominick Reyes at UFC 246 by Full Mount MMA:

Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: OneMoreRep on February 10, 2020, 02:14:36 PM
Saw the fight again.

Rounds 1 + 2 go to Reyes
Rounds 4 + 5 go to Jones

Whomever truly won round 3 won the fight. Striking was close, but it was the takedowns that gave Jones the nod.

If Reyes comes back with the same pace and intensity, but able to last 5 rounds without tiring, he beats Jones. If Jones has downloaded Reyes' style, speed, angles etc, then Jones might very well pick him apart.

Jones looked sedated throughout this fight. Hopefully he is OK.

"1"
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: joswift on February 10, 2020, 02:23:27 PM
Saw the fight again.

Rounds 1 + 2 go to Reyes
Rounds 4 + 5 go to Jones

Whomever truly won round 3 won the fight. Striking was close, but it was the takedowns that gave Jones the nod.

If Reyes comes back with the same pace and intensity, but able to last 5 rounds without tiring, he beats Jones. If Jones has downloaded Reyes' style, speed, angles etc, then Jones might very well pick him apart.

Jones looked sedated throughout this fight. Hopefully he is OK.

"1"
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Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Matt on February 10, 2020, 02:24:27 PM
Saw the fight again.

Rounds 1 + 2 go to Reyes
Rounds 4 + 5 go to Jones

Whomever truly won round 3 won the fight. Striking was close, but it was the takedowns that gave Jones the nod.

If Reyes comes back with the same pace and intensity, but able to last 5 rounds without tiring, he beats Jones. If Jones has downloaded Reyes' style, speed, angles etc, then Jones might very well pick him apart.

Jones looked sedated throughout this fight. Hopefully he is OK.

"1"

Do you suppose Jones is using opiates to come down from his coke use?

PS - what do you make of the lone judge who gave Jones 49-46?
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: OneMoreRep on February 11, 2020, 04:59:00 AM
Do you suppose Jones is using opiates to come down from his coke use?

PS - what do you make of the lone judge who gave Jones 49-46?

I don't think he is using opiates, lol, as he would get popped for them.

The lone judge is just foolish. Then again, those guys sit by the cage and don't have the best view. Even though they have little TVs in front of them to give them a bird's-eye view of different angles, the reality is that it still isn't ideal. Not to mention that they are easily swayed by the crowd.

When I rewatched the fight, it was muted and I was able to rewind as well. Very clearly were rounds 1 & 2 for Reyes. Rounds 4 & 5 were for Jones. Round 3 had Reyes outstriking Jones by a narrow margin, but Jones' takedowns made up for the difference in strikes.

If Reyes would have won, no one would complain. Jones having won isn't a robbery either. I think we as fans want a dominating champion that beats everyone via knockout or brutal submission. When we see such a lackluster performance, you sometimes wish Jones would snort some cocaine before his fights again. That said, I think the rematch will be great, but if I had to bet on it, I would give the rematch to Jones. The guy and his team have a way of figuring out opponents on the second run. Their game planning is ridiculous.

"1"
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: AbrahamG on February 11, 2020, 08:24:59 AM
I'd have Jones vs the winner of Blachowitz-Anderson2 in July. Co main event would be Reyes vs Thiago Santos. The winner gets Jones in December.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: MAXX on February 12, 2020, 12:31:38 PM
MMA is boring these days

Early 2000's was the best days for heavyweight MMA with Pride and early UFC. You rarely see ground game like this anymore from heavyweights. watching Mir break bones was so satisfying  8)



Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: pellius on February 12, 2020, 11:34:47 PM
MMA is boring these days

Early 2000's was the best days for heavyweight MMA with Pride and early UFC. You rarely see ground game like this anymore from heavyweights. watching Mir break bones was so satisfying  8)





Prode ruled back in the day. They didn't give a crap if you juiced. Just do whatever it takes to kick ass -- and they were allowed to kick some major ass. Sucks that the Yakuza corrupted everything and started fixing fights.

One Championships seems to be really becoming a force in MMA and seems to have the best chance to break the UFC monopoly. They seem to have the money and they are taking care of the fighters better.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 13, 2020, 03:41:35 AM
MMA is boring these days

Early 2000's was the best days for heavyweight MMA with Pride and early UFC. You rarely see ground game like this anymore from heavyweights. watching Mir break bones was so satisfying  8)




Early 2000's was not early UFC.  The mid 90's had the original UFC and if you've never watch UFC 1-5 do so.  Very entertaining as every fighter had a different style.  Now everyone fights the same way and that's why it is boring as everyone can defend against every technique thrown at them.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: MAXX on February 13, 2020, 11:27:21 AM
Early 2000's was not early UFC.  The mid 90's had the original UFC and if you've never watch UFC 1-5 do so.  Very entertaining as every fighter had a different style.  Now everyone fights the same way and that's why it is boring as everyone can defend against every technique thrown at them.
Early 2000's to early 10's heavyweights was just better quality. IMO! With Fedor and that gang etc.

I didn't follow mma in the 90's because it wasn't really available for me. And I was in to bodybuilding more.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: che on February 13, 2020, 11:36:51 AM
I was in to bodybuilding more.

Outed
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 13, 2020, 11:42:18 AM
Early 2000's to early 10's heavyweights was just better quality. IMO! With Fedor and that gang etc.

I didn't follow mma in the 90's because it wasn't really available for me. And I was in to bodybuilding more.
No doubt the fighters in the 2000's were better but it was beautiful watching delusional Kung Fu guys and other exotic martial arts get destroyed in a real fight.  I think all of those fights are on Youtube.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: MAXX on February 13, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
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tell me about it

the all homo period of my life
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: che on February 13, 2020, 11:49:30 AM
tell me about it

the all homo period of my life

Are you still into bodybuilding
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: MAXX on February 13, 2020, 11:54:49 AM
Are you still into bodybuilding
Watch some stuff here and there on youtube. Podcast here and there mostly.

Never watch any bb competitions. I will always weightlift though I'm sure of that.
Title: Re: UFC 247
Post by: che on February 13, 2020, 11:57:57 AM
Watch some stuff here and there on youtube. Podcast here and there mostly.

Never watch any bb competitions. I will always weightlift though I'm sure of that.

Same here