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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Al Doggity on May 12, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
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This vid is from a channel called What I've Learned. The guy does some interesting, well-researched videos on food and physiology.
I knew that fat got villified in the late 70s, but video has an interesting segment on how low carb, high protein/ fat diets are reliable fat loss programs is an idea that goes all the way back to the 1800s.
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Since it's not worth a new thread, just thought I'd post that I agree with his videos that say a calorie is not a calorie. One of the most non-debatable examples being alcohol.
Weight loss/ muscle gain is based more on hormone balance than calories.
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I been telling people for well over 10 years now....................C YCLE YOUR FUCKING CARBS................... .IT WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
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Just run for 10 hours a day and you can eat anything
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i only eat meat and dairy, I am in shape at around 10% BF and I haven't even counted a calorie or gone hungry.
All I need to do now now to prep for a show is cut out my 500 cals of yoghurt I eat every day.
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i only eat meat and dairy, I am in shape at around 10% BF and I haven't even counted a calorie or gone hungry.
All I need to do now now to prep for a show is cut out my 500 cals of yoghurt I eat every day.
Most basic format............caloie s invs. caloies out
Some guys act like it`s fucking rocket cience.
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Since it's not worth a new thread, just thought I'd post that I agree with his videos that say a calorie is not a calorie. One of the most non-debatable examples being alcohol.
Weight loss/ muscle gain is based more on hormone balance than calories.
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Most basic format............caloie s invs. caloies out
Some guys act like it`s fucking rocket cience.
There's a lot of compelling arguments against this. The idea of monitoring calories - specifically calories- is pretty recent. Even within your own eating/dieting/training, you probably have observed plenty of examples of that not really holding up, even if it wasn't immediately obvious to you.
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There's a lot of compelling arguments against this. The idea of monitoring calories - specifically calories- is pretty recent. Even within your own eating/dieting/training, you probably have observed plenty of examples of that not really holding up, even if it wasn't immediately obvious to you.
What does this even mean - can you elaborate?
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What does this even mean - can you elaborate?
Sure- first I'll post these videos. This one is from the guy in my opening post. It goes into some theories how calories are burned and studies that document how the body adjusts for calories burned when the amount of food we consume changes.
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This is a long one and I doubt anyone will watch the whole thing, but this doctor is the guy who kicked off the whole intermittent fasting trend. A lot of the original science behind intermittent fasting was that it manipulates your hormone balance. It's long, but if you're the type of person who will ask "Well, what about this?" a million times, it's worth watching through.
If you search "hormones vs calories" on youtube, there's a lot of videos that lay out the basic premise.
Mind you, I'm completely aware that just because something is considered "science" doesn't make it valid, but a lot of the arguments surrounding hormone balance vs calorie intake do make logical sense to me.
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Al Doggity and the videos he posted here ain't lying.
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A few thing I've read over the years have tipped me in the direction of hormones playing a bigger part than activity or calorie consumption. (Or, more accurately, a bigger part than we commonly attribute to them.)
One of the biggest things is this study:
https://magazine.scienceconnected.org/2016/03/more-exercise-doesnt-always-burn-more-calories/
A team conducted an international study and found that people who are moderately active burn about the same amount of calories in a day as people who are extremely active. The study concludes that it might be because the body subconsciously limits extraneous activity like fidgeting when you perform intensive activity, but to me it seems like clear support of hormone balance affecting calorie burn.
Another one is this:
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/27593253/why-grandmasters-magnus-carlsen-fabiano-caruana-lose-weight-playing-chess
It's a story on how high level chess players can burn thousands of calories a day during competition. There was one big multi-day tournament that was cancelled midway through a few years ago because one of the competitors had lost so much weight. The calorie expenditure isn't due to activity but to stress responses. To me that's more proof that hormone changes are the main driving force in weight loss.
This isn't to say activity is completely unimportant, because our activities affect our hormones.
Another thing not really backed by science, but I started a thread a little while ago questioning the idea that micro tears are the driving force in increasing muscle size. I think that sounds like bullshit. I haven't been able to find any legitimate science-backed sources that claim this is how you build muscle. A few reasons this theory sounds like bullshit to me- young men in naturally gain muscle in our teen years without "breaking down" muscle. If you stop training for a little bit and your muscles atrophy, when you start training again, you can get back to where you were in a matter of weeks. Steroid users have been documented to gain muscle without even training. There were more reasons in the thread. Point being, it sounds like gaining muscle is more about hormone changes than tearing anything down.
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Al Doggity and the videos he posted here ain't lying.
I gotta say, your posts have made me re-think some of what I thought I knew about diet. I've never been in bad shape, but as I've gotten older I've been more concerned about following a "healthy diet". The things you've posted about veg-based diets have been eye-opening.
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Low carb isn't a "trend" it's how humans evolved and how people with food choices chose to eat until the last century. The idea of carbs being a significant part of the diet is a very modern trend originating partly from religious ideology (7th day adventists) and corporate lobbying of government to promote highly profitable plant foods like vegetable oils and grains.
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I had a feeling you would post Jason Fung on this thread eventually. I'm familiar with him, some would say a former fan of his back when I too would strawman against the reality of calories in versus calories out. I wouldn't go as far as to call him a charlatan, but he does have an incentive for people to gobble up this insulin model of obesity (books to sell)!
There are numerous studies comparing keto and non-keto diets, under tightly controlled settings that show no difference in actual fat loss. Remember, higher fat oxidation rates are expected when your diet is largely comprised of fats.
Low carbohydrate versus isoenergetic balanced diets for reducing weight and cardiovascular risk: a systematic review and meta-analysis.
Trials show weight loss in the short-term irrespective of whether the diet is low CHO or balanced. There is probably little or no difference in weight loss and changes in cardiovascular risk factors up to two years of follow-up when overweight and obese adults, with or without type 2 diabetes, are randomised to low CHO diets and isoenergetic balanced weight loss diets.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25007189
Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets.
KLC (ketogenic, low-carbohydrate) and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046
Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.
The isocaloric KD was not accompanied by increased body fat loss but was associated with relatively small increases in EE that were near the limits of detection with the use of state-of-the-art technology. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT01967563.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608
However, the best study would be the below:
No Significant Effect of Dietary Carbohydrate versus Fat on the Reduction in Total Energy Expenditure During Maintenance of Lost Weight: A Secondary Analysis
In other words, when conducting the analysis originally planned by the authors we found that the significant increases in TEE with the low carbohydrate diet that were reported by Ebbeling et al. disappeared. Furthermore, the TEE effect modification by baseline insulin secretion also disappeared.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/476655v1
This was a follow-up study to the Effects of a low carbohydrate diet on energy expenditure during weight loss maintenance: randomized trial which you can read here: https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583
Scientific literature aside, I would urge you to experiment yourself with both carb and no/low-carb diets and see how you fare. But remember, for your conclusion to have any meaning; net caloric intake must be controlled!
You will never find a study showing a preference for ketosis from a metabolic perspective, as long as the caloric deficit is equated. The thing is people (self included) will cut carbs and suddenly be consuming far less food, creating an even greater deficit. The foolish among us conclude "ha, I cut carbs and didn't worry about calories, therefore it's all a matter of insulin and calories don't matter!"
I even took this a step further, doing keto but with caloric intake above my maintenance. Despite being keto, I still gained weight - insulin secretion is not reliant on only carbs!
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I gotta say, your posts have made me re-think some of what I thought I knew about diet. I've never been in bad shape, but as I've gotten older I've been more concerned about following a "healthy diet". The things you've posted about veg-based diets have been eye-opening.
Same thing happened to me. For many years I was a low fat, high carb, high fiber, moderate protein, calorie counting, food weighing evangelist. I've always been in good shape, and in good health.
But then I saw the light, about a year ago. To convince me, it took watching videos and reading articles about low carb, keto, and carnivore diets from real medical doctors and scientists who have successfully treated thousands of patients using these diets, with little to no exercise, and without calorie counting or weighing food.
Now that I've seen the results myself, there's no going back for me.
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Another thing not really backed by science, but I started a thread a little while ago questioning the idea that micro tears are the driving force in increasing muscle size. I think that sounds like bullshit. I haven't been able to find any legitimate science-backed sources that claim this is how you build muscle. A few reasons this theory sounds like bullshit to me- young men in naturally gain muscle in our teen years without "breaking down" muscle. If you stop training for a little bit and your muscles atrophy, when you start training again, you can get back to where you were in a matter of weeks. Steroid users have been documented to gain muscle without even training. There were more reasons in the thread. Point being, it sounds like gaining muscle is more about hormone changes than tearing anything down.
Yeah, sounds like bullshit to me too. There is no evidence, published or anecdotal that supports muscle damage as being a driving force of hypertrophy. I'm more inclined to think the opposite, that muscle damage is detrimental for growth.
We have known about the science of hypertrophy since the 70s, thanks to Russian researchers. Some level of volume at high-tension contractions! Volume plays a role, but only when mechanical tension is present. Then you get the biomechanical PI3K/AKT/mTOR chain of reactions that follow!
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Scientific literature aside, I would urge you to experiment yourself with both carb and no/low-carb diets and see how you fare. But remember, for your conclusion to have any meaning; net caloric intake must be controlled!
You will never find a study showing a preference for ketosis from a metabolic perspective, as long as the caloric deficit is equated. The thing is people (self included) will cut carbs and suddenly be consuming far less food, creating an even greater deficit. The foolish among us conclude "ha, I cut carbs and didn't worry about calories, therefore it's all a matter of insulin and calories don't matter!"
I even took this a step further, doing keto but with caloric intake above my maintenance. Despite being keto, I still gained weight - insulin secretion is not reliant on only carbs!
I don't believe anyone is arguing the need for a calorie deficit in order to lose body fat. But there's the fact that on a low carb diet, people just stop being hungry. Most end up eating only 1 or 2 meals a day. Some can even go 24 hours or longer without eating, without hunger.
This makes achieving that calorie deficit a lot easier, and more fun.
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I don't believe anyone is arguing the need for a calorie deficit in order to lose body fat. But there's the fact that on a low carb diet, people just stop being hungry. Most end up eating only 1 or 2 meals a day. Some can even go 24 hours or longer without eating, without hunger.
This makes achieving that calorie deficit a lot easier, and more fun.
That's good, but you'd be shocked how many people conclude that a caloric deficit somehow doesn't exist simply because carbs were removed.
I enjoyed keto-style eating, wasn't very hungry and when eating intuitively, calories were sub 2,000 I was that full! But, my digestion is terrible with high fats - I end up using more toilet paper than Nasser.
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Is there any sport in which the athletes want to be carb depleted on the day of the performance? I can’t think of any.
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I had a feeling you would post Jason Fung on this thread eventually. I'm familiar with him, some would say a former fan of his back when I too would strawman against the reality of calories in versus calories out. I wouldn't go as far as to call him a charlatan, but he does have an incentive for people to gobble up this insulin model of obesity (books to sell)!
There are numerous studies comparing keto and non-keto diets, under tightly controlled settings that show no difference in actual fat loss. Remember, higher fat oxidation rates are expected when your diet is largely comprised of fats.
LOL I hesitated to post Fung, but I risked it becoming a wankfest because I couldn't tell from your post if you were familiar with any of these concepts.
Obviously that wasn't the case haha. So, firstly, I'm not a Fung disciple , but I do think some of the principles he espouses explains phenomena others have observed that I discuss in my latter post. When I said there was compelling evidence against this, I wasn't talking so much about eating less to lose weight and being a proponent of keto. Sometimes when you have these discussions, you start off at a point where you have preconceived notions about what people on the other side may be thinking, and I was thinking more of the timeless calorie is a calorie debate (which I don't agree with. I don't think calories are completely fungible.) and the idea that some people have that you can outwork a bad diet. That wasn't necessarily what others were thinking.
I don't know if you're familiar with my posts, but I actually am the type of guy who will read studies someone else posts (if only to dispute them), but in this case I opted not to. Not because they're not worth reading, but because nutrition studies are all over the place. Here's a list of studies that favor low carb diets over low fat diets.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets#section1
As loco said, higher fat diets tend to be more enjoyable. Both of the videos discuss satiety and how your body responds to calorie restriction, so I was coming from a position more of how your body maintains the diet.
I feel like this could be a long and meandering post, so I will cut do something rare and cut myself short unless there's a point anyone would like me to defend, but there was something in your post that struck me:
Remember, higher fat oxidation rates are expected when your diet is largely comprised of fats.
I've never heard this before, but this is something that is interesting info.
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The most enjoyable foods are both high carb and high fat. Didn’t you start a thread once about lasagna being the best food?
I don’t deny going low carb is an excellent way to lose body fat but for most it’s just not sustainable long-term.
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i only eat meat and dairy, I am in shape at around 10% BF and I haven't even counted a calorie or gone hungry.
All I need to do now now to prep for a show is cut out my 500 cals of yoghurt I eat every day.
what's a normal day's diet?
been thinking of trying out carnivore for a few months. It makes it more palatable if you can have dairy like milk and cheese.
another thing that put me off was the people saying it had to be raw milk etc. It's too much of an inconvenience sourcing that kind of stuff.
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The most enjoyable foods are both high carb and high fat. Didn’t you start a thread once about lasagna being the best food?
I don’t deny going low carb is an excellent way to lose body fat but for most it’s just not sustainable long-term.
I love lasagna. Most people who are familiar with my posts on this board probably first think of my award winning junk foodity reviews and a lot of those things are carb based.
But, as I near 40, I'm looking for optimal, sustainable diet with occasional indulgences. My thing is not just losing body fat, but maintaining health sustainably. I'm only human, so of course moderation is going to factor into it. And maybe there's not a perfect diet, but there's no harm in exchanging info and experimenting.
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Most basic format............caloie s invs. caloies out
Some guys act like it`s fucking rocket cience.
In a nutshell, this is basically it. Fat people simply eat too much.
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LOL I hesitated to post Fung, but I risked it becoming a wankfest because I couldn't tell from your post if you were familiar with any of these concepts.
Obviously that wasn't the case haha. So, firstly, I'm not a Fung disciple , but I do think some of the principles he espouses explains phenomena others have observed that I discuss in my latter post. When I said there was compelling evidence against this, I wasn't talking so much about eating less to lose weight and being a proponent of keto. Sometimes when you have these discussions, you start off at a point where you have preconceived notions about what people on the other side may be thinking, and I was thinking more of the timeless calorie is a calorie debate (which I don't agree with. I don't think calories are completely fungible.) and the idea that some people have that you can outwork a bad diet. That wasn't necessarily what others were thinking.
I don't know if you're familiar with my posts, but I actually am the type of guy who will read studies someone else posts (if only to dispute them), but in this case I opted not to. Not because they're not worth reading, but because nutrition studies are all over the place. Here's a list of studies that favor low carb diets over low fat diets.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets#section1
As loco said, higher fat diets tend to be more enjoyable. Both of the videos discuss satiety and how your body responds to calorie restriction, so I was coming from a position more of how your body maintains the diet.
I feel like this could be a long and meandering post, so I will cut do something rare and cut myself short unless there's a point anyone would like me to defend, but there was something in your post that struck me:
I've never heard this before, but this is something that is interesting info.
No doubt, great post.
Thanks for sharing some counter studies, my only query/criticism of these keto studies (not yours, just in general) is whether or not they control net caloric consumption, or at least the adaptive deficit induced. I have no doubt that when ignoring calories and eating intuitively, that keto is 'easier' if you will since your food variety is so limited. If I wasn't into gaining size and wanted to eat for satiety, I would 100% be keto.
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You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!
I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!
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You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!
I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!
I am thanks...
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You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!
I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!
Shredded, but with muscles flat as pancakes. The ketone kids of getbig.
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You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!
I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!
It’s really more about motivation than knowledge. We all know how to get ripped. Just eat lean protein and veggies three times a day, rinse and repeat. Who wants to do that long-term?
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Shredded, but with muscles flat as pancakes. The ketone kids of getbig.
Im eat around 60-80 grms or carbs a day and Im full and vascular with plenty of energy and get great pumps in the gym
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Im eat around 60-80 grms or carbs a day and Im full and vascular with plenty of energy and get great pumps in the gym
All 125 pounds of you!!
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All 125 pounds of you!!
210 at the moment
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Im eat around 60-80 grms or carbs a day and Im full and vascular with plenty of energy and get great pumps in the gym
Then you're still in glucose mode, not keto. In your 20's too, I bet. Youth makes up for a lot.
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Then you're still in glucose mode, not keto. In your 20's too, I bet. Youth makes up for a lot.
55 in a couple of months
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You guys must be way below 10% bf year round considering how much you know about dieting !!!
I wouldnt be surprised if you been shredded the last 20 years or so !! With your deep knowledge!!
Question is, is being 10% bf all year and being shredded for 20 years good for health and longevity?
Most people who start low carb do so for the fat loss, and then make it a life style for the long term health benefits, which are tangible and noticeable within weeks.
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Then you're still in glucose mode, not keto. In your 20's too, I bet. Youth makes up for a lot.
Not keto, but still low carb which still has a lot of health benefits.
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Question is, is being 10% bf all year and being shredded for 20 years good for health and longevity?
Most people who start low carb do so for the fat loss, and then make it a life style for the long term health benefits, which are tangible and noticeable within weeks.
Any time you feel you can back up your claims of extended longevity and good health due to low carb diet feel free to post.
Looking forward to it. Must be a bunch of 120+ year old somethings around we just dont know about....
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Any time you feel you can back up your claims of extended longevity and good health due to low carb diet feel free to post.
Looking forward to it. Must be a bunch of 120+ year old somethings around we just dont know about....
Sure. What would be acceptable to you, sir?
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Question is, is being 10% bf all year and being shredded for 20 years good for health and longevity?
Most people who start low carb do so for the fat loss, and then make it a life style for the long term health benefits, which are tangible and noticeable within weeks.
I feel the best i have in years, I had trigger finger in both my little fingers for years, since going carnivore it has all but gone
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Is there any sport in which the athletes want to be carb depleted on the day of the performance? I can’t think of any.
Yes. Turns out high fat and high salt consumption can actually help any athlete perform better than consuming high carbs.
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Sure. What would be acceptable to you, sir?
Any study that for a meaningful period of time (say 50 years) followed a larger number of people to prove that their diet, being low in carbs, have given them a longer, healthier life, compared to everyone else.
Otherwise it is as meaningful as me claiming youll live longer if you stand on your head and eat a banana every day at noon.
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Any study that for a meaningful period of time (say 50 years) followed a larger number of people to prove that their diet, being low in carbs, have given them a longer, healthier life, compared to everyone else.
Otherwise it is as meaningful as me claiming youll live longer if you stand on your head and eat a banana every day at noon.
I don't know about that, but I'll see what I can do.
How about this? We both know that obesity, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, fatty liver, fatty pancreas, severe acid reflux, don't lead to a long healthy life. Can we agree on that?
If so, then a diet that not only prevents the above conditions but also reverses them would give people a longer, healthier life. Don't you agree?
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Yes. Turns out high fat and high salt consumption can actually help any athlete perform better than consuming high carbs.
Point me to an actual athlete not some guru on the Internet. All the top distance runners are high carbs. There are no exceptions.
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It’s really more about motivation than knowledge. We all know how to get ripped. Just eat lean protein and veggies three times a day, rinse and repeat. Who wants to do that long-term?
That is exactly true for low fat, high carb diets.
After a short adaptation period, High fat low carb diets are sustainable for life, easy, enjoyable, and fun.
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Point me to an actual athlete not some guru on the Internet. All the top distance runners are high carbs. There are no exceptions.
I just did, but you didn't bother to look. What's the point then?
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I just did, but you didn't bother to look. What's the point then?
Fitzgerald actually traveled the world studying the eating habits of top athletes and came to the conclusion that they all ate carbs there were no exceptions. I don’t understand what it is with keto guys. It becomes a religion to you. It’s just fucking eating.
The Endurance Diet: Discover the 5 Core Habits of the World's Greatest Athletes to Look, Feel, and Perform Better by Matt Fitzgerald - Books on Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/books/details/The_Endurance_Diet_Discover_the_5_Core_Habits_of_t?id=5yvXCwAAQBAJ&hl=en_US
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I been telling people for well over 10 years now....................C YCLE YOUR FUCKING CARBS................... .IT WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
Can you give an example of how you are carb cycling? Thanks!
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This is the staple of the greatest marathoner of all time. But I’m sure he would be faster if he were to only go keto.
https://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-diet/
Ugali: made from maize meal, it is cooked in water to form a sort of corn cake. This staple is very high in starch and is very bland, lacking much in the way of flavour. Many meals in the farm-stay were served with an almost insurmountable pile of ugali on the side.
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The most enjoyable foods are both high carb and high fat. Didn’t you start a thread once about lasagna being the best food?
I don’t deny going low carb is an excellent way to lose body fat but for most it’s just not sustainable long-term.
I don't think this is a fair statement - too subjective. Steak, eggs, brisket, bacon, carnitas, hamburger, etc are immensely enjoyable.
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Fitzgerald actually traveled the world studying the eating habits of top athletes and came to the conclusion that they all ate carbs there were no exceptions. I don’t understand what it is with keto guys. It becomes a religion to you. It’s just fucking eating.
The Endurance Diet: Discover the 5 Core Habits of the World's Greatest Athletes to Look, Feel, and Perform Better by Matt Fitzgerald - Books on Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/books/details/The_Endurance_Diet_Discover_the_5_Core_Habits_of_t?id=5yvXCwAAQBAJ&hl=en_US
This is the staple of the greatest marathoner of all time. But I’m sure he would be faster if he were to only go keto.
https://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-diet/
Ugali: made from maize meal, it is cooked in water to form a sort of corn cake. This staple is very high in starch and is very bland, lacking much in the way of flavour. Many meals in the farm-stay were served with an almost insurmountable pile of ugali on the side.
Keto is not a religion to me, but I'm more than happy to chime in when I see people posting the same misinformation I myself believed for many years.
Nobody is debating that high carb consumption gives athletes the energy they need to successfully train and compete.
What has in recent years been surfacing are a couple facts:
1. High carb consumption among athletes is great for performance, but not great for their health and longevity.
2. After a period of adaptation, high fat low carb consumption among athletes provides the same level of energy, and in some athletes it actually gives them an competitive edge. All that without the long term side effects of years of daily high levels of blood glucose.
Watch the videos. The first two are just trailers to the documentaries/studies. You'll have to sign up for a free trial subscription to DietDoctor.com if you are interested in watching the whole thing. You can cancel the subscription before the free trial ends.
The third video is about Pete Jacobs, an Australian professional triathlete competing primarily in long-distance, non-drafting triathlon events. He is the winner of the 2012 Ironman World Championship. And he eats only meat.
The fourth video is a discussion between an MD and a PHD regarding studies on high salt consumption, its health benefits, and its performance benefits in athletes.
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Keto is not a religion to me, but I'm more than happy to chime in when I see people posting the same misinformation I myself believed for many years.
Nobody is debating that high carb consumption gives athletes the energy they need to successfully train and compete.
What has in recent years been surfacing are a couple facts:
1. High carb consumption among athletes is great for performance, but not great for their health and longevity.
2. After a period of adaptation, high fat low carb consumption among athletes provides the same level of energy, and in some athletes it actually gives them an competitive edge. All that without the long term side effects of years of daily high levels of blood glucose.
Watch the videos. The first two are just trailers to the documentaries/studies. You'll have to sign up for a free trial subscription to DietDoctor.com if you are interested in watching the whole thing. You can cancel the subscription before the free trial ends.
The third video is a discussion between an MD and a PHD regarding studies on high salt consumption, its health benefits, and its performance benefits in athletes.
My grandfather and grandmother ate what ever they wanted... fruit, cake, muffins, danish and other carbs. They were not fat either. Gramps died at 95 and my grandmother is still alive at 101. People are fat today mainly because of taking in too many calories and consuming HFCS.
I know you are trying to validate yourself here, but you're way too myopic.
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My grandfather and grandmother ate what ever they wanted... fruit, cake, muffins, danish and other carbs. They were not fat either. Gramps died at 95 and my grandmother is still alive at 101. People are fat today mainly because of taking in too many calories and consuming HFCS.
I know you are trying to validate yourself here, but you're way too myopic.
Video in opening post shows an interesting correlation- 1977 is the year US weights started to skyrocket. It's also the year that the USDA put out the dietary recommendations to cut out dietary fat in exchange for carbs.
There were other things going on, so the obesity epidemic can't be attributed entirely to that, but I definitely think there is a connection.
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My grandfather and grandmother ate what ever they wanted... fruit, cake, muffins, danish and other carbs. They were not fat either. Gramps died at 95 and my grandmother is still alive at 101. People are fat today mainly because of taking in too many calories and consuming HFCS.
I know you are trying to validate yourself here, but you're way too myopic.
And I knew a couple of people who died well after their 90s, and they abused alcohol and cigarettes most of their life. Does it follow that abusing alcohol and cigarettes will help you live a long, healthy life?
When westerners were told to consume less fat, less salt, less animal products, more carbs, and more seed oils, then obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, leaky gut, fatty liver, fatty pancreas, autoimmune diseases, dementia, and many other conditions increased exponentially.
Just look around. Who is being way too myopic?
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what's a normal day's diet?
been thinking of trying out carnivore for a few months. It makes it more palatable if you can have dairy like milk and cheese.
another thing that put me off was the people saying it had to be raw milk etc. It's too much of an inconvenience sourcing that kind of stuff.
Don't have to do raw milk, or grass fed beef, or any of that fancy, expensive stuff.
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Point me to an actual athlete not some guru on the Internet. All the top distance runners are high carbs. There are no exceptions.
Anecdotal I know but I work with a guy who does distance running and always used to carb load prior to any 10k 20k runs he does
He was in a keto diet when someone asked him would he take part in a10k charity run, he ran it the next day without carbs and his time was the same, he felt no different at all
Now he just eats normally prior to his runs and doesn't carb load any more
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When it comes to fat loss the most important thing is calorie intake. Both high carb and low carb diets work. Keto just sucks in my opinion because you are very limited when it comes to food choices.
I've tried both and right now I'm dieting with more carbs than usual and the fat loss is just as good but I'm not as depleted and flat and I can maintain my strength better and seem to hold more muscle this time.
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When it comes to fat loss the most important thing is calorie intake. Both high carb and low carb diets work. Keto just sucks in my opinion because you are very limited when it comes to food choices.
I've tried both and right now I'm dieting with more carbs than usual and the fat loss is just as good but I'm not as depleted and flat and I can maintain my strength better and seem to hold more muscle this time.
Good for you!
Personally, I am able to lose fat quicker on a low fat, high carb diet with lots of exercise. However it's no fun, and it's difficult to keep the fat off. As with any human being, after losing the fat it's hard not to gain it back with interest, and then harder to lose it again.
On a low carb diet, I can drop the same amount of fat with less exercise. It does take longer, but it's easy, fun, and I can stay on the diet for a lifetime. It's easier to keep the weight off and stay lean when you lose the fat slowly anyway, and it's easier to stay on a diet or certain life style when you actually enjoy it.
I personally don't feel like I'm limited when it comes to food choices on a low carb diet. I just eat when I'm hungry, eat until I'm full, eat high fat/protein foods and low carb foods. In my mind, no food is prohibited, as long as daily carbs stay low.
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And I knew a couple of people who died well after their 90s, and they abused alcohol and cigarettes most of their life. Does it follow that abusing alcohol and cigarettes will help you live a long, healthy life?
When westerners were told to consume less fat, less salt, less animal products, more carbs, and more seed oils, then obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, leaky gut, fatty liver, fatty pancreas, autoimmune diseases, dementia, and many other conditions increased exponentially.
Just look around. Who is being way too myopic?
No, you're myopic and are suggesting that all carbs are evil. Your comparison of people who drink and smoke their whole life is absurd.
The main reason people are overweight and unhealthy is because they eat too many calories and the foods they're consuming has low nutrient density.
I tried the no/low carb diet twice for 6 months each time. I had no energy to perform intense workouts. No pump either.
The human body was designed to use/burn GLUCOSE for fuel not ketones. We have a pancreas that releases insulin for that reason.
You sure are dense. You're spending LOTS of time with these posts trying to validate yourself.
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When it comes to fat loss the most important thing is calorie intake. Both high carb and low carb diets work. Keto just sucks in my opinion because you are very limited when it comes to food choices.
I've tried both and right now I'm dieting with more carbs than usual and the fat loss is just as good but I'm not as depleted and flat and I can maintain my strength better and seem to hold more muscle this time.
To Loco you're just a fluke - lol
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Good for you!
Personally, I am able to lose fat quicker on a low fat, high carb diet with lots of exercise. However it's no fun, and it's difficult to keep the fat off. As with any human being, after losing the fat it's hard not to gain it back with interest, and then harder to lose it again.
On a low carb diet, I can drop the same amount of fat with less exercise. It does take longer, but it's easy, fun, and I can stay on the diet for a lifetime. It's easier to keep the weight off and stay lean when you lose the fat slowly anyway, and it's easier to stay on a diet or certain life style when you actually enjoy it.
I personally don't feel like I'm limited when it comes to food choices on a low carb diet. I just eat when I'm hungry, eat until I'm full, eat high fat/protein foods and low carb foods. In my mind, no food is prohibited, as long as daily carbs stay low.
Of course you're limited on a low carb diet, VERY limited.
But you're on here posting 100x trying to convince yourself and everyone else that you enjoy it... when you really don't. Who would?
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No, you're myopic and are suggesting that all carbs are evil. Your comparison of people who drink and smoke their whole life is absurd.
The main reason people are overweight and unhealthy is because they eat too many calories and the foods they're consuming has low nutrient density.
I tried the no/low carb diet twice for 6 months each time. I had no energy to perform intense workouts. No pump either.
The human body was designed to use/burn GLUCOSE for fuel not ketones. We have a pancreas that releases insulin for that reason.
You sure are dense. You're spending LOTS of time with these posts trying to validate yourself.
Please tell us when I said that carbs are evil? And my comparison is no more absurd than you saying eating lots of carbs for a lifetime must be good just because it worked for your grandparents.
Got it, eating high fat low carb is bad because you tried it for six months and you didn't like it. Good job!
Why does it bother you so much how much time I spend with these posts? Is it to you like me telling a little kid that Santa isn't real?
And no, the human body wasn't designed to use/burn glucose for fuel instead of ketones. Otherwise, people on the keto and carnivore diets would be dropping like flies. Instead, they are thriving. The human body can use either one and it may actually prefer ketones.
The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed.
https://www.nap.edu/read/10490/chapter/8#275
Moreover, the heart has virtually no glycogen reserves. Fatty acids are the heart's main source of fuel, although ketone bodies as well as lactate can serve as fuel for heart muscle. In fact, heart muscle consumes acetoacetate in preference to glucose.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22436/
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We need Adonis (Sinoda) to come on here and explain how a calorie is just a calorie again.
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I've gone low carbs from time to time to help reach a short term goal, but who the hell would give up all those tasty carb dishes as a permanent lifestyle choice?
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It’s really an intensity issue. Fats provide energy for low to moderate intensity activities but when you get to about 2/3 of VO2MAX carbs start to take over. Once you’re at 80% it’s all carbs.
Of course you're limited on a low carb diet, VERY limited.
But you're on here posting 100x trying to convince yourself and everyone else that you enjoy it... when you really don't. Who would?
What about Keto Cookies?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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It’s really an intensity issue. Fats provide energy for low to moderate intensity activities but when you get to about 2/3 of VO2MAX carbs start to take over. Once you’re at 80% it’s all carbs.
It's a very interesting subject in my opinion. Take a look at those videos I posted, at least the first two. I'd be interested in reading what you think.
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It's a very interesting subject in my opinion. Take a look at those videos I posted, at least the first two. I'd be interested in reading what you think.
I watched up until I saw Stephen Phinney.
His study is what a lot of these keto arguments are based upon. If you’re familiar with the study he had his athletes train at 65% VO2Max. That’s a joke. A marathon is run at about 80%, a 5K 95%. He knew what would have happened had he sped up the pace.
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the thing with the carnivore diet is it stops you from snacking between meals,. there are not many meat free snacks, some people keep cooked bacon in a bag to snack on, I just prefer to wait for a meal
my current diet is
4 bacon, 4 sausage and 2 fried eggs
large tub greek yoghurt
1 tub cottage cheese
4-6 beef burgers made from 85% mince beef and two egg yolks salt and pepper
I occasionally have lamb chops rib eye steaks or chicken, but very rarely chicken any more because I cant stand the dry texture of it after eating beef
its not a huge amount of food or calories but Im maintaining my weight at around 210 at around 10% BF
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I watched up until I saw Stephen Phinney.
His study is what a lot of these keto arguments are based upon. If you’re familiar with the study he had his athletes train at 65% VO2Max. That’s a joke. A marathon is run at about 80%, a 5K 95%. He knew what would have happened had he sped up the pace.
Which keto arguments, regarding athletic performance? He does appear a lot in Cereal Killers 2, but not in the first Cereal Killers. In the first one it's all about Professor Tim Noakes.
Timothy David Noakes is a South African scientist, and an emeritus professor in the Division of Exercise Science and Sports Medicine at the University of Cape Town. He is also a member of the National Research Foundation (South Africa), who list him as one of their highest-rated members.
He has run more than 70 marathons and ultramarathons, and is the author of several books on exercise and diet. He is known for his work in sports science and for his support of a low-carbohydrate, high-fat (LCHF) diet, as set out in his books The Real Meal Revolution and Lore of Nutrition: Challenging Conventional Dietary Beliefs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Noakes
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Which keto arguments, regarding athletic performance? He does appear a lot in Cereal Killers 2, but not in the first Cereal Killers. In the first one it's all about Professor Tim Noakes.
Timothy David Noakes is a South African scientist, and an emeritus professor in the Division of Exercise Science and Sports Medicine at the University of Cape Town. He is also a member of the National Research Foundation (South Africa), who list him as one of their highest-rated members.
He has run more than 70 marathons and ultramarathons, and is the author of several books on exercise and diet. He is known for his work in sports science and for his support of a low-carbohydrate, high-fat (LCHF) diet, as set out in his books The Real Meal Revolution and Lore of Nutrition: Challenging Conventional Dietary Beliefs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Noakes
You’re not telling me anything I don’t know. Noakes ran all those races while on carbs. His opus book “Lore of Running” advocates carbs. He only went off carbs because he developed diabetes.
When leisurely walking becomes an Olympic event, that’s where you’ll see some keto athletes possibly succeed.
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You’re not telling me anything I don’t know. Noakes ran all those races while on carbs. His opus book “Lore of Running” advocates carbs. He only went off carbs because he developed diabetes.
When leisurely walking becomes an Olympic event, that’s where you’ll see some keto athletes possibly succeed.
Right, hence his research into how years of carb loading for training and competition is harmful to an athlete's health no matter the amount of exercise, and why he is now writing books and doing research on high fat low carb diets for high performance athletes.
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I've read about and follow plenty of people who avoid carbs altogether, and are performing at a high level.
Different things work for different folks.
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I've read about and follow plenty of people who avoid carbs altogether, and are performing at a high level.
Different things work for different folks.
our ancestors managed on very few carbs
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our ancestors managed on very few carbs
They also made it without a balanced diet, a modern day invention.
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Right, hence his research into how years of carb loading for training and competition is harmful to an athlete's health no matter the amount of exercise, and why he is now writing books and doing research on high fat low carb diets for high performance athletes.
Why doesn’t he train a group of Keto warriors for distance running and put the Kenyans and Ethiopians out of business? Because he knows that diet wouldn’t work at that level.
Trotting out the Conga line of keto heroes doesn’t change the FACT that at the top of the distance running food chain all the athletes eat a lot of carbs.
Until the Keto warriors can back up their talk with performance (they can’t and won’t) it’s just talk.
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That's good, but you'd be shocked how many people conclude that a caloric deficit somehow doesn't exist simply because carbs were removed.
I enjoyed keto-style eating, wasn't very hungry and when eating intuitively, calories were sub 2,000 I was that full! But, my digestion is terrible with high fats - I end up using more toilet paper than Nasser.
>>>> Youtube : ABC Catalyst : Low Carb Diet, Fat or Fiction
New version of Catalyst TV , sucks !.
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The influence of genetics and body type cannot be underestimated. I can do IF and drop weight without any distress b/c I simply don’t have a big appetite and my natural set point and body type is that of a lean ectomorph. Even when I’m really hungry I just can’t eat and drink as much as others and I stay full forever. If I want to be thicker I virtually have to force myself to eat, which, in combination with certain supplements, keeps the weight on. When I’m done being a “bodybuilder” I’ll just drop down to 165-170 at 6’ with no problem at all. The inability to drop weight and lean out doesn’t even register with me.
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Can you give an example of how you are carb cycling? Thanks!
Here`s an article I wrote for Iron Man magazine a few eons back..........needs tweaking for people of different bodyweights but you`ll get the gist of it:
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/carbohydrate-cycling-for-fat-loss.html
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Here`s an article I wrote for Iron Man magazine a few eons back..........needs tweaking for people of different bodyweights but you`ll get the gist of it:
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/carbohydrate-cycling-for-fat-loss.html
Nice little article.
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Why doesn’t he train a group of Keto warriors for distance running and put the Kenyans and Ethiopians out of business? Because he knows that diet wouldn’t work at that level.
Trotting out the Conga line of keto heroes doesn’t change the FACT that at the top of the distance running food chain all the athletes eat a lot of carbs.
Until the Keto warriors can back up their talk with performance (they can’t and won’t) it’s just talk.
I was enjoying our discussion until you went full psycho. What in the world is a keto warrior? What's a keto hero? What does this make you, a glucose warrior?
And what's your point anymore? Do you even know?
Are you saying that because most elite endurance athletes (the same who use drugs too to win) have traditionally consumed insane amounts of carbs no matter how harmful to their health that might be, it follows that the keto diet with all of its health benefits is bad for everyone?
My argument as of late has been that low carb diets have many health benefits. I'm not hung up on low carb for weight loss or low carb for elite endurance athletic performance, although the keto diet is indeed great for weight loss and studies on its effects on elite endurance athletic performance are ongoing.
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Point me to an actual athlete not some guru on the Internet. All the top distance runners are high carbs. There are no exceptions.
Fitzgerald actually traveled the world studying the eating habits of top athletes and came to the conclusion that they all ate carbs there were no exceptions. I don’t understand what it is with keto guys. It becomes a religion to you. It’s just fucking eating.
The Endurance Diet: Discover the 5 Core Habits of the World's Greatest Athletes to Look, Feel, and Perform Better by Matt Fitzgerald - Books on Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/books/details/The_Endurance_Diet_Discover_the_5_Core_Habits_of_t?id=5yvXCwAAQBAJ&hl=en_US
LOL...a journalist? That's all you have?
To back up my points, I point you to real MDs and PhDs, one of whom is an experienced endurance athlete and one of the highest-rated scientists in the field of Exercise Science and Sports Medicine.
You ask me not to point you to some guru on the Internet, then you point me to a journalist? Good job!
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New version of Catalyst TV , sucks !.
Fixed.
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What's a low carb diet though?
If it means having a burger without the bun, spaghetti with meatballs without spaghetti, meat and potatoes without potatoes, chicken and rice without the rice, toast with peanutbutter without the toast, a light beer instead of a regular beer -then I'm out.
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What's a low carb diet though?
If it means having a burger without the bun, spaghetti with meatballs without spaghetti, meat and potatoes without potatoes, chicken and rice without the rice, toast with peanutbutter without the toast, a light beer instead of a regular beer -then I'm out.
You can’t have ketchup on the burger or sauce on the meatballs either.
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You can’t have ketchup on the burger or sauce on the meatballs either.
Ketchup is minimal carbs, its not a keto diet, its a low carb diet
Keto is a stupid concept, if you eat more than around 150gms of protein it can take you out of ketosis depending on your LBM
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LOL...a journalist? That's all you have?
To back up my points, I point you to real MDs and PhDs, one of whom is an experienced endurance athlete and one of the highest-rated scientists in the field of Exercise Science and Sports Medicine.
You ask me not to point you to some guru on the Internet, then you point me to a journalist? Good job!
So eat your fucking keto cookies and cakes and pretend you like them. No one gives a shit.
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Of course you're limited on a low carb diet, VERY limited.
But you're on here posting 100x trying to convince yourself and everyone else that you enjoy it... when you really don't. Who would?
No one.
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What's a low carb diet though?
If it means having a burger without the bun, spaghetti with meatballs without spaghetti, meat and potatoes without potatoes, chicken and rice without the rice, toast with peanutbutter without the toast, a light beer instead of a regular beer -then I'm out.
Average westerner: 200-300g/day
Low carb: <100-150g/day
Keto: <20-50g/day
As long as you keep your carbs at your daily target, you can eat whatever you want. As far as high fat/protein foods, eat as much as you want, whenever you want.
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No one.
Thanks, Thin Lizzy and Mr Anabolic for telling me what I do and don't enjoy!
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Thanks, Thin Lizzy and Mr Anabolic for telling me what I do and don't enjoy!
Here’s your fucking scientist:
Low carbohydrate, high fat diet impairs exercise economy and negates the performance benefit from intensified training in elite race walkers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5407976/
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So eat your fucking keto cookies and cakes and pretend you like them. No one gives a shit.
Very good come back argument. Good job!
Thank you, but the longer I eat low carb, the less I crave sweets and starchy foods.
These days I'd much rather eat like this:
(https://i.dietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/14-day-meal-plan-presentation-16-9.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&w=600&h=338&fit=crop)
(https://ruthschris.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ruths-Chris-Ribeye-1024x323.jpeg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/b9/e0/b0b9e0e12c125ed31322aa4d7d1d848a.jpg)
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Here’s your fucking scientist:
Low carbohydrate, high fat diet impairs exercise economy and negates the performance benefit from intensified training in elite race walkers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5407976/
LOL...why so angry? Did somebody just tell you that there is no Santa?
I was enjoying our discussion until you went full psycho. What in the world is a keto warrior? What's a keto hero? What does this make you, a glucose warrior?
And what's your point anymore? Do you even know?
Are you saying that because most elite endurance athletes (the same who use drugs too to win) have traditionally consumed insane amounts of carbs no matter how harmful to their health that might be, it follows that the keto diet with all of its health benefits is bad for everyone?
My argument as of late has been that low carb diets have many health benefits. I'm not hung up on low carb for weight loss or low carb for elite endurance athletic performance, although the keto diet is indeed great for weight loss and studies on its effects on elite endurance athletic performance are ongoing.
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Another Scientist:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7928844/
The crossover point is the power output at which energy from CHO-derived fuels predominates over energy from lipids, with further increases in power eliciting a relative increment in CHO utilization and a decrement in lipid oxidation.
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Another Scientist:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7928844/
The crossover point is the power output at which energy from CHO-derived fuels predominates over energy from lipids, with further increases in power eliciting a relative increment in CHO utilization and a decrement in lipid oxidation.
LOL
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What's your point anyway? Do you even know anymore?
Are you saying that because most elite endurance athletes (the same who use drugs too to win) have traditionally consumed insane amounts of carbs no matter how harmful to their health that might be, it follows that the keto diet with all of its health benefits is bad for everyone?
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As stated, I've seen plenty of success stories of endurance athletes, strength, etc doing fine on low/no carb, mostly meat only diets.
Different things work for different people.
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Another Scientist:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7928844/
The crossover point is the power output at which energy from CHO-derived fuels predominates over energy from lipids, with further increases in power eliciting a relative increment in CHO utilization and a decrement in lipid oxidation.
It's best to just ignore this myopic, fuck tard. There are trolls like him on many forums and in YT comments section. He'll spend hours and hours a day on here trying to validate himself... spinning and spinning... telling everyone they are going to die young if they eat carbs. He most likely has some form of mental illness.
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It's best to just ignore this myopic, fuck tard. There are trolls like him on many forums and in YT comments section. He'll spend hours and hours a day on here trying to validate himself... spinning and spinning... telling everyone they are going to die young if they eat carbs. He most likely has some form of mental illness.
What's with the anger, name calling and insults? And why do you keep on lying about what I've said? When did I say everyone is going to die young if they eat carbs?
At this point, are you and thin arguing with me or with all of the MDs and PhDs I've pointed at whom I've learned this stuff from?
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Whoa, even for getbig, this thread took a bizarrely psychotic turn.
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As stated, I've seen plenty of success stories of endurance athletes, strength, etc doing fine on low/no carb, mostly meat only diets.
Different things work for different people.
You are not alone on this. All these studies are good, but still inconclusive. More studies are needed.
Re-Examining High-Fat Diets for Sports Performance: Did We Call the 'Nail in the Coffin' Too Soon?
During the period 1985-2005, studies examined the proposal that adaptation to a low-carbohydrate (<25 % energy), high-fat (>60 % energy) diet (LCHF) to increase muscle fat utilization during exercise could enhance performance in trained individuals by reducing reliance on muscle glycogen. As little as 5 days of training with LCHF retools the muscle to enhance fat-burning capacity with robust changes that persist despite acute strategies to restore carbohydrate availability (e.g., glycogen supercompensation, carbohydrate intake during exercise). Furthermore, a 2- to 3-week exposure to minimal carbohydrate (<20 g/day) intake achieves adaptation to high blood ketone concentrations. However, the failure to detect clear performance benefits during endurance/ultra-endurance protocols, combined with evidence of impaired performance of high-intensity exercise via a down-regulation of carbohydrate metabolism led this author to dismiss the use of such fat-adaptation strategies by competitive athletes in conventional sports. Recent re-emergence of interest in LCHF diets, coupled with anecdotes of improved performance by sportspeople who follow them, has created a need to re-examine the potential benefits of this eating style. Unfortunately, the absence of new data prevents a different conclusion from being made. Notwithstanding the outcomes of future research, there is a need for better recognition of current sports nutrition guidelines that promote an individualized and periodized approach to fuel availability during training, allowing the athlete to prepare for competition performance with metabolic flexibility and optimal utilization of all muscle substrates. Nevertheless, there may be a few scenarios where LCHF diets are of benefit, or at least are not detrimental, for sports performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26553488
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Whoa, even for getbig, this thread took a bizarrely psychotic turn.
I know, right? Some people here take this stuff way too seriously and make it personal. Life's too short.
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I know, right? Some people here take this stuff way too seriously and make it personal. Life's too short.
For me, life's too short to basically permanently cut out one of the macronutrients ... and pretty much never have a sandwich on fresh bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, a dessert or ice cream etc.
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Here’s your fucking scientist:
Low carbohydrate, high fat diet impairs exercise economy and negates the performance benefit from intensified training in elite race walkers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5407976/
Very low carb absolutely kills sports performance. I did a very low carb diet one season prior to bicycle racing. Got lean as could be. Then I entered a race series in the Midwest and...lo and behold...got dropped every time the race pace shot up. Was dying to finish a lousy 20 mile race, lol.
The series lasted a week so on day 2 I went to the grocery store and bought every easily digestible carb there was. Two days later I got 3rd place in one of the races- a 30 mile race run at 27 mph.
A long slow effort aerobically, like riding 100 miles, can easily be done on very low carb. I did training rides like that. Pace was about 15 mph. Try doing that same distance at race pace- 25 mph+- in a pack and you will be dropped on the first acceleration. Aerobic sports are definitely high carb.
I'm currently dieting and dropped my daily intake to 2000 kcals. I'm losing about 1.5-2 pounds a week. My carbs are at 200-250 g a day.
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Very good come back argument. Good job!
Thank you, but the longer I eat low carb, the less I crave sweets and starchy foods.
These days I'd much rather eat like this:
(https://i.dietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/14-day-meal-plan-presentation-16-9.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&w=600&h=338&fit=crop)
(https://ruthschris.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ruths-Chris-Ribeye-1024x323.jpeg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/b9/e0/b0b9e0e12c125ed31322aa4d7d1d848a.jpg)
Strongly suggest you monitor the uric acid in your urine. It can supersaturate in the span of an hour- and you can get kidney stones. Speaking from experience.
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Strongly suggest you monitor the uric acid in your urine. It can supersaturate in the span of an hour- and you can get kidney stones. Speaking from experience.
A solution of potassium citrate taken throughout the day neutralises the acidity in your urine
I take 1 teaspoon per day in 2 litres of water, drink it with meals and between meals
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Very low carb absolutely kills sports performance. I did a very low carb diet one season prior to bicycle racing. Got lean as could be. Then I entered a race series in the Midwest and...lo and behold...got dropped every time the race pace shot up. Was dying to finish a lousy 20 mile race, lol.
The series lasted a week so on day 2 I went to the grocery store and bought every easily digestible carb there was. Two days later I got 3rd place in one of the races- a 30 mile race run at 27 mph.
A long slow effort aerobically, like riding 100 miles, can easily be done on very low carb. I did training rides like that. Pace was about 15 mph. Try doing that same distance at race pace- 25 mph+- in a pack and you will be dropped on the first acceleration. Aerobic sports are definitely high carb.
I'm currently dieting and dropped my daily intake to 2000 kcals. I'm losing about 1.5-2 pounds a week. My carbs are at 200-250 g a day.
When you get deep into the weeds of the biochemistry of energy systems it becomes incredibly complex but the basic concept is very simple. The body uses fats for low to moderate intensity activity and carbs for high intensity.
The reason you got dropped on low carbs is because you didn’t have a high gear.
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A solution of potassium citrate taken throughout the day neutralises the acidity in your urine
I take 1 teaspoon per day in 2 litres of water, drink it with meals and between meals
Correct. Added this after my kidney stone debacle. It drives the pH up to prevent crystallization of uric acid.
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Correct. Added this after my kidney stone debacle. It drives the pH up to prevent crystallization of uric acid.
yep, also softens kidney stones as well, helped break down my stones after being advised two surgeries or 15-20 lithotripsy treatments
Stones totally cleared in 6 treatments
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For me, life's too short to basically permanently cut out one of the macronutrients ... and pretty much never have a sandwich on fresh bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, a dessert or ice cream etc.
The low carb diet and the keto diet don't cut out any of the macronutrients.
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When you get deep into the weeds of the biochemistry of energy systems it becomes incredibly complex but the basic concept is very simple. The body uses fats for low to moderate intensity activity and carbs for high intensity.
The reason you got dropped on low carbs is because you didn’t have a high gear.
I had hardly any carbs in my quads so yes- I was running on empty. 48 hours later I was on a full tank. We used to carbo load years ago by doing a 3 day low carb depletion cycle followed by three days of high carb. It worked like a charm but really was a pain in the ass to implement with our training routines. You also screw up your hydration badly so in warm climates it's not worth it.
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yep, also softens kidney stones as well, helped break down my stones after being advised two surgeries or 15-20 lithotripsy treatments
Stones totally cleared in 6 treatments
I ended up having lithotripsy because both kidneys were shutting down. It came on literally in 24 hours. I don't want to repeat the experience. The lithotripsy itself was painless but the catheter I was forced to have in place for a week was pure fucking hell.
Afterwards we did a 24 urine collection test and the uric levels were maxed out. The urologist said to go on Potassium Citrate and to lower the protein in my diet. Sure enough the levels dropped in just a few days and zero complications since. By the way the urologist asked if I was on keto . He said he is seeing an increasing incidence of people with uric acid kidney stones because of the diet.
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The low carb diet and the keto diet don't cut out any of the macronutrients.
so stringently restricting oneself to just 20-50g of Carbs per day...forever...is not basically permanently cutting out one of the macronutrients?
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so stringently restricting oneself to just 20-50g of Carbs per day...forever...is not basically permanently cutting out one of the macronutrients?
No. You are still eating 20g-50g carbs. So you are not cutting any of the macronutrients.
There's a reason they are called "low carb" and not "no carb."
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5 pages of dribble. After all,
"A calorie is a calorie"
-True Anus
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Strongly suggest you monitor the uric acid in your urine. It can supersaturate in the span of an hour- and you can get kidney stones. Speaking from experience.
Thanks Hypertrophy!
That seems to be a problem in only 5% of all children treated with the keto diet for epilepsy. The culprit seems to be dehydration, which is common on low carb diets.
I was well aware of the risk of dehydration on low carb diets and was well prepared. I just drink a lot of water with Redmond Real Salt sprinkled in it. Never had any problems with dehydration, cramping, or the so called "keto flu", which many experience when first starting the keto diet because they don't know to drink more water and add a good salt too.
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Thanks Hypertrophy!
That seems to be a problem in only 5% of all children treated with the keto diet for epilepsy. The culprit seems to be dehydration, which is common on low carb diets.
I was well aware of the risk of dehydration on low carb diets and was well prepared. I just drink a lot of water with Redmond Real Salt sprinkled in it. Never had any problems with dehydration, cramping, or the so called "keto flu", which many experience when first starting the keto diet because they don't know to drink more water and add a good salt too.
You're welcome! Like joswift wrote above, take Potassium Citrate capsules a few times a day. It's very cheap and will make urine more basic- a key to preventing uric acid stones.
I was a huge fan of keto until the stones hit. It wasn't once, btw. Every single time I went on keto a kidney stone formed - and most passed without problem - although they are excruciatingly painful. My body chemistry apparently creates acidic urine naturally so I was very susceptible. Anyways once I lowered protein to no more than 100 g a day the stones stopped.
Just for the record, I am 5'9" tall and weigh 180-185 lean, 205-210 as a fatty. I have noticed zero difference by lowering my protein intake to 100g max a day and I feel 100% better.
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essential amino acids = check
Essential fats = check
Essential carbs= ....?
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I ended up having lithotripsy because both kidneys were shutting down. It came on literally in 24 hours. I don't want to repeat the experience. The lithotripsy itself was painless but the catheter I was forced to have in place for a week was pure fucking hell.
Afterwards we did a 24 urine collection test and the uric levels were maxed out. The urologist said to go on Potassium Citrate and to lower the protein in my diet. Sure enough the levels dropped in just a few days and zero complications since. By the way the urologist asked if I was on keto . He said he is seeing an increasing incidence of people with uric acid kidney stones because of the diet.
I almost died in march last year due to a ruptured artery during kidney stone surgery, was in hospital for 18 days,
I produce oxalate stones, hence the carnivore diet now meat and dairy are the lowest oxalate foods although all food s contain traces, Oxalates are fucking poison, Google "Oxalate dumping"
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I almost died in march last year due to a ruptured artery during kidney stone surgery, was in hospital for 18 days,
I produce oxalate stones, hence the carnivore diet now meat and dairy are the lowest oxalate foods although all food s contain traces, Oxalates are fucking poison, Google "Oxalate dumping"
yes, plants contain antinutrients that can mess with our system in some way. From inhibiting mineral absorption to damaging our DNA, plants have developed their own defense sytems against their predators.
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I'm sure there's lots of good info and back and forth in this thread, but let's stop making excuses for fat people. Bottom line it's on them.
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The metabolic health generally improves on both high carb/low fat and high fat/low carb diets considering one has switched from the standard western diet which is high fat/high carb (mostly vegetable oils and refined carbs).
When higher levels og glucose and fat are present in the body it seems that both kind of block each other out from getting used as fuel as suggested by Phillip Randle (the Randle cycle).
Not sure if this is only happening when a surplus of calories form fat and carbs are consumed through a longer period or it's also valid if one is in a deficit and also consuming both macros in higher amounts in the same meal.
That's why I'd never bulk on both macros in high amounts. You get insulin resistant way sooner and you'll be gaining more fat instead of muscle.
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When you get deep into the weeds of the biochemistry of energy systems it becomes incredibly complex but the basic concept is very simple. The body uses fats for low to moderate intensity activity and carbs for high intensity.
The reason you got dropped on low carbs is because you didn’t have a high gear.
Alright, I'm not even arguing with you here, I'm asking you a genuine question if you care to discuss and keep your cool. Have you read the bolded in scientific literature? I googled, wasn't able to find this on anything other than pop-up guru type sites.
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Alright, I'm not even arguing with you here, I'm asking you a genuine question if you care to discuss and keep your cool. Have you read the bolded in scientific literature? I googled, wasn't able to find this on anything other than pop-up guru type sites.
I posted a link to this which is considered a seminal paper on the subject. Here’s some more detail. The physiological reason for this is that it takes more chemical reactions to break down fats as opposed to carbs. So, if you need a large amount of energy fast, carbs will be the preferred fuel source. It’s not a carbs vs fats issue. They both have a use but the idea that taking carbs out of the equation will improve performance makes no sense in theory and has been borne out in practice. There are no keto athletes at the highest level of endurance or high intensity sport:
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/abs/10.1152/jappl.1994.76.6.2253
The “crossover” concept represents a theoretical means by which one can understand the effects of exercise intensity and prior endurance training on the balance of carbohydrate (CHO) and lipid metabolism during sustained exercise. According to the crossover concept, endurance training results in muscular biochemical adaptations that enhance lipid oxidation as well as decrease the sympathetic nervous system responses to given submaximal exercise stresses. These adaptations promote lipid oxidation during mild- to moderate-intensity exercise. In contrast, increases in exercise intensity are conceived to increase contraction-induced muscle glycogenolysis, alter the pattern of fiber type recruitment, and increase sympathetic nervous system activity. Therefore the pattern of substrate utilization in an individual at any point in time depends on the interaction between exercise intensity-induced responses (which increase CHO utilization) and endurance training-induced responses (which promote lipid oxidation). The crossover point is the power output at which energy from CHO-derived fuels predominates over energy from lipids,
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Vinny - the keto guido from Jersey Shore
This is the best version of him, dieting down to become a stripper in Chippendales
Everybody now hates him, think he's boring, he can't eat, don't drink. Just miserable all the time.
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The Situation - just got released from prison after 8 months
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You're welcome! Like joswift wrote above, take Potassium Citrate capsules a few times a day. It's very cheap and will make urine more basic- a key to preventing uric acid stones.
I was a huge fan of keto until the stones hit. It wasn't once, btw. Every single time I went on keto a kidney stone formed - and most passed without problem - although they are excruciatingly painful. My body chemistry apparently creates acidic urine naturally so I was very susceptible. Anyways once I lowered protein to no more than 100 g a day the stones stopped.
Just for the record, I am 5'9" tall and weigh 180-185 lean, 205-210 as a fatty. I have noticed zero difference by lowering my protein intake to 100g max a day and I feel 100% better.
So the cause of your kidney stones was consuming more than 100g protein per day, regardless of how many carbs you consumed?
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Very low carb absolutely kills sports performance. I did a very low carb diet one season prior to bicycle racing. Got lean as could be. Then I entered a race series in the Midwest and...lo and behold...got dropped every time the race pace shot up. Was dying to finish a lousy 20 mile race, lol.
The series lasted a week so on day 2 I went to the grocery store and bought every easily digestible carb there was. Two days later I got 3rd place in one of the races- a 30 mile race run at 27 mph.
A long slow effort aerobically, like riding 100 miles, can easily be done on very low carb. I did training rides like that. Pace was about 15 mph. Try doing that same distance at race pace- 25 mph+- in a pack and you will be dropped on the first acceleration. Aerobic sports are definitely high carb.
I'm currently dieting and dropped my daily intake to 2000 kcals. I'm losing about 1.5-2 pounds a week. My carbs are at 200-250 g a day.
Maybe, maybe not. The jury is still out.
Impact Of Ketogenic Diet On Athletes: Current Insights
2019 Nov 15
Whether nutritional ketosis yields any tangible performance benefits to athletes is a contentious subject within nutrition science. This academic debate has brought about several investigations in an array of athletes, including endurance athletes, resistance-trained athletes, and CrossFit trainees.
The impact of a ketogenic diet (KD) (<50 g/d carbohydrate, >75% fat) on athletic performance has sparked much interest and self-experimentation in the past 3–4 years. Evidence shows 3–4-week adaptations to a KD in endurance-trained athletes were associated with maintenance of moderate (46–63% VO2max) and vigorous intensity (64–90% VO2max) endurance exercise, while at intensities >70% VO2max, increases in fat oxidation were associated with decreased economy (increased oxygen consumption), and in some cases, increased ratings of perceived exertion and heart rate. Two investigations in recreationally active endurance athletes noted no vigorous intensity exercise decrement following 3- and 12-week adaptations. Moderate (70–85% one repetition maximum) and near-maximal to maximal intensity (>85% 1RM) strength performance experienced no decrement following a 3-12-week KD adaptation. Beneficial effects were noted for 2000 m sprint and critical power test completed for short duration at vigorous intensity, while two additional tests noted no decrement. For sprint, near-maximal exercise (>91% VO2max), benefit of the KD was observed for six-second sprint, while no decrement in performance was noted for two additional maximal tests. When protein is equated (grams per kilogram), one investigation noted no decrement in muscle hypertrophy, while one noted a decrement. One investigation with matched protein noted the KD group lost more body fat. In conclusion, moderate-to-vigorous intensity exercise experiences no decrement following adaptation to a KD. Decreases in exercise economy are observed >70% VO2max in trained endurance athletes which may negate performance within field settings. Beneficial effects of the KD during short duration vigorous, and sprint bouts of exercises are often confounded by greater weight loss in the KD group. With more athletes pursuing carbohydrate-restricted diets (moderate and strict (KD)) for their proposed health benefits, more work is needed in the area to address both performance and health outcomes.
Short-Duration Vigorous Intensity (64–90% VO2max, >30 s)
Evidence suggests no decrement to short-duration vigorous-intensity exercise following 3–12 weeks of a KD within trained and recreationally trained athletes. Findings are contrary to sports nutrition guidelines, which recommend carbohydrate availability to enable vigorous performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6863116/
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So the cause of your kidney stones was consuming more than 100g protein per day, regardless of how many carbs you consumed?
Yes. The formation of uric acid was the issue. It's a very complicated issue apparently - some people can go high protein with no issues while others, like me, cannot. It's predominately driven by the acidity of your urine. I can eat carbs all day long without any problems with stones. As soon as I drop the carbs and increase the protein they form in days. I used to be <100 g carbs, 200+ g protein and 100 g fat while dieting. Now its <100 g protein, 200+ gm carbs and 100 g of fat. Same result as far as fat loss but incredible difference in health.
Here are two very good sources of info on protein and uric acid stones:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3150417/
https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/chapter-seven-uric-acid-stones/
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Just run for 10 hours a day and you can eat anything
Used to do that at work....well maybe just 8 hours.
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Yes. The formation of uric acid was the issue. It's a very complicated issue apparently - some people can go high protein with no issues while others, like me, cannot. It's predominately driven by the acidity of your urine. I can eat carbs all day long without any problems with stones. As soon as I drop the carbs and increase the protein they form in days. I used to be <100 g carbs, 200+ g protein and 100 g fat while dieting. Now its <100 g protein, 200+ gm carbs and 100 g of fat. Same result as far as fat loss but incredible difference in health.
Here are two very good sources of info on protein and uric acid stones:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3150417/
https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/chapter-seven-uric-acid-stones/
Did you know that, contrary to popular belief, the keto diet is not high protein? The keto diet is high fat, low carb. Too much protein can actually kick you out of ketosis.
The keto diet is also not a meat diet. You can get into ketosis and stay there eating meat only in moderation.
Since you liked the keto diet so much in the past, I encourage you to give it another chance. This time keep protein at 100g/day, carbs at 20g-50g/day, and the rest fat.
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Most basic format............caloie s invs. caloies out
Some guys act like it`s fucking rocket cience.
Agreed. Never had a problem losing weight. I just eat less of the same foods I enjoy.
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Did you know that, contrary to popular belief, the keto diet is not high protein? The keto diet is high fat, low carb.
The keto diet is also not a meat diet. You can get into ketosis and stay there eating meat only in moderation.
Since you liked the keto diet so much in the past, I encourage you to give it another chance. This time keep protein at 100g/day, carbs at 20g-50g/day, and the rest fat.
Yes - the keto diet is higher fat but you get pretty tired of eating predominately fat only foods. So the next step is proteins plus fats.
I am permanently done with keto and also low carb diets. I have been leaning out at 2 pounds per week for the past 3 weeks just by calorie counting. You can eat snickers bars and lose weight calorie counting, lol. I bicycle race and low carb diets are toxic to cycling performance at high speed.
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Agreed. Never had a problem losing weight. I just eat less of the same foods I enjoy.
Yes, a calorie is a calorie. Why do people make it so difficult? They suffer needlessly.
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I can't get over the picture of a burger wrapped in lettuce
Thats the gayest thing Ive ever seen
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I can't get over the picture of a burger wrapped in lettuce
Thats the gayest thing Ive ever seen
Really? So in your mind buns are heterosexual and meat is gay? To each its own. :D
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Yes - the keto diet is higher fat but you get pretty tired of eating predominately fat only foods. So the next step is proteins plus fats.
I am permanently done with keto and also low carb diets. I have been leaning out at 2 pounds per week for the past 3 weeks just by calorie counting. You can eat snickers bars and lose weight calorie counting, lol. I bicycle race and low carb diets are toxic to cycling performance at high speed.
Good for you!
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Really? So in your mind buns are heterosexual and meat is gay? To each its own. :D
No straight man has ever ordered a burger and said "no buns, just lettuce!"
Thats equal to go to a bar and order soy milk.
(which probably is something youve done plenty of times)
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New York city 'diet' (+ life style) must be the shittiest 1 .........
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No straight man has ever ordered a burger and said "no buns, just lettuce!"
Thats equal to go to a bar and order soy milk.
(which probably is something youve done plenty of times)
LOL...please, do continue posting on a bodybuilding board telling men how not to be confused with gays. :D
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To summarize, a steak is better alone than with a baked potato. A burger is better without the bun, fries or ketchup and meatballs are better alone than in a hero or with spaghetti and sauce.
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Loco's favorite Iron Maiden songs:
Fear of the Carb
Wasted Meals
Afraid to eat French Fries
The Loneliness of the Low Carb Eater
Faggit in a Fagland
Can I play with myself
The Carbsman
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To summarize, a steak is better alone than with a baked potato. A burger is better without the bun, fries or ketchup and meatballs are better alone than in a hero or with spaghetti and sauce.
Have steak with a small baked potato; a hamburger with a bun or fries and not both. ketchup is considered a vegetable, so it's fine unless you dump gobs of it on your food. Enjoy your meatball sandwich and skip the carbs at your next meal or have it with spaghetti, but limit the amount of spaghetti to a single serving, which is much less than you might think it is.
Again, eat what you like but have sensible proportions. Consider what you eat in a day and give yourself more flexibility at each meal. If you get crazy one day and eat everything in sight, cut way back the next. Nobody gets too fat in a day.
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Have steak with a small baked potato; a hamburger with a bun or fries and not both. ketchup is considered a vegetable, so it's fine unless you dump gobs of it on your food. Enjoy your meatball sandwich and skip the carbs at your next meal or have it with spaghetti, but limit the amount of spaghetti to a single serving, which is much less than you might think it is.
Again, eat what you like but have sensible proportions. Consider what you eat in a day and give yourself more flexibility at each meal. If you get crazy one day and eat everything in sight, cut way back the next. Nobody gets too fat in a day.
Oh stop. I have a burger every now and then. Like eating or not eating the fucking bun is going to make any difference in the long run.
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Loco's favorite Iron Maiden songs:
Fear of the Carb
Wasted Meals
Afraid to eat French Fries
The Loneliness of the Low Carb Eater
Faggit in a Fagland
Can I play with myself
The Carbsman
What about this classic?
Boz Scaggs - Keto Shuffle - Later With Jools Holland
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Oh stop. I have a burger every now and then. Like eating or not eating the fucking bun is going to make any difference in the long run.
My response was riddled with sarcasm. Too bad you missed it. I was responding to a post where it was suggested eating the bun, fries and ketchup was ill advised and that you should have meatballs without the sandwich or pasta.
When I go for a hamburger, I order the works, bun, large fries, cheese, sauce and whatever else makes that slab of over cooked beef taste better. Later, I make up for it by having a salad for dinner and I skip the coffee ice cream for dessert.
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I got a great laugh out of the clowns who put down joswifts knowledge............... a guy with one of the best builds on the board for any age and he`s 55 !!
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My response was riddled with sarcasm. Too bad you missed it. I was responding to a post where it was suggested eating the bun, fries and ketchup was ill advised and that you should have meatballs without the sandwich or pasta.
When I go for a hamburger, I order the works, bun, large fries, cheese, sauce and whatever else makes that slab of over cooked beef taste better. Later, I make up for it by having a salad for dinner and I skip the coffee ice cream for dessert.
Of course I missed it. No one reads your posts in their entirety.
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I got a great laugh out of the clowns who put down joswifts knowledge............... a guy with one of the best builds on the board for any age and he`s 55 !!
UKJeff has prolly one of the top 10 member physiques of all time on here, discounting the random pros who used to post here.
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so if i am reading this right joswift likes the keto diet ? mr swift correct me if i am wrong
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so if i am reading this right joswift likes the keto diet ? mr swift correct me if i am wrong
Keto or just low carb is certainly of value to a bodybuilder as it allows one to strip off body fat quickly.
The problem long term is that it’s too restrictive and people get tired of the limited options.
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Ive tried every diet pill etc. T3 /arimidex/clen. Ran miles a day 7 days. And nothing works to cut bodyweight and fat period. No carbs. 50grams day or less. Period.
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Keto or just low carb is certainly of value to a bodybuilder as it allows one to strip off body fat quickly.
The problem long term is that it’s too restrictive and people get tired of the limited options.
i enjoy it more myself. as i get older i do not have the appetite i had when younger, much easier to get calories in on keto .
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Piana always order his burgers from InandOut protein style, no bun.
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so if i am reading this right joswift likes the keto diet ? mr swift correct me if i am wrong
I dont think keto is even possible as a bodybuilder due to the amount of protein they eat, any excess protein just takes you out of ketosis as the body breaks it down into glucose
I read a few studies that went as low as 75gms of protein being enough to take you out of ketosis based on bodyweight
I eat meat , eggs and dairy, I probably eat between 50 and 100gms carbs from the dairy I eat
Pissing on keto sticks and high fiving yourself all day seems a bit pointless to me, just look in the mirror
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Piana always order his burgers from InandOut protein style, no bun.
And he's dead. He should have used a bun.
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Piana always order his burgers from InandOut protein style, no bun.
So did Arnold, before he went vegan recently. He's still alive. :D
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It’s really an intensity issue. Fats provide energy for low to moderate intensity activities but when you get to about 2/3 of VO2MAX carbs start to take over. Once you’re at 80% it’s all carbs.
What about Keto Cookies?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The body can produce the glucose it needs for intense exercise at very short notice. Why post stuff like this like there aren't many zero carb world class athletes? If you're just regurgitating dated mom science you should be honest about it.
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The body can produce the glucose it needs for intense exercise at very short notice. Why post stuff like this like there aren't many zero carb world class athletes? If you're just regurgitating dated mom science you should be honest about it.
Another Butt Hurt Keto Warrior that can’t handle the shortcomings of the diet with regard to athletic performance.
https://www.indiatoday.in/lifestyle/health/story/usain-bolt-diet-training-secrets-olympics-athlete-jamaica-health-fitness-lifest-1030607-2017-08-21
So what he eats throughout the day are eggs (an egg sandwich for breakfast, mostly), pasta with a side of chicken breast for lunch, and Jamaican dumplings or rice and peas with pork and roasted chicken for dinner.
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The elite athletes and physiques on GB need to stick to their extreme diet lest they lose their winning edge.
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Keto or just low carb is certainly of value to a bodybuilder as it allows one to strip off body fat quickly.
The problem long term is that it’s too restrictive and people get tired of the limited options.
Why does it have to be the only way you ever eat again? When you get sick of it, take a break. Any eating regimen that gives you above average results is going to require a level of sacrifice. The reason high fat, high protein, low carb protein diets appeal to so many is because many people think they feel a lot less restrictive than traditional eating plans. You keep saying it's too restrictive, but that isn't really a given.
If the crossover concept is true, then that lends credence to what many say about carbs. They are useful when doing high intensity activity, but don't burn off as easily with moderate intensity. If you aren't running a marathon, maybe it is much smarter to stick to foods that are higher fat, higher protein. I can speak from personal experience that you can get through high intensity weight training workouts on high protein-fat/low carb.
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A calorie is a calorie. Kind of - assuming you are not eating paper, lol. Where's Adonis when you need him?
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Some calories are better than others.
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Some calories are better than others.
one thing is for certain, some posters are better than others
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one thing is for certain, some posters are better than others
lol ;D
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Some calories are better than others.
Some girls are bigger than others
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Fats increase testosterone levels
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Some calories are better than others.
Don't you mean some foods are better than others? Seems to me a calorie is a calorie, but some foods that have a lot of calories don't have many nutrients for the human body.
All calories have the same amount of energy. One dietary calorie contains 4,184 Joules of energy.
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Fats increase testosterone levels
Healthy fats increase testosterone levels.
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Don't you mean some foods are better than others? Seems to me a calorie is a calorie, but some foods that have a lot of calories don't have many nutrients for the human body.
All calories have the same amount of energy. One dietary calorie contains 4,184 Joules of energy.
A calorie is a calorie, but not all calories are equal so it would be missleading to talk about calories in that way.
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just have your daily bulletproof coffee and you're golden.
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Fats increase testosterone levels
It's not a linear dose response relationship, it's just a box to tick with a very low ceiling.
Also, doesn't matter if you're exogenously supplying your body with testosterone! 8)
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A calorie is a calorie, but not all calories are equal so it would be missleading to talk about calories in that way.
I feel hairs splitting and I'm bald. Go figure. :)
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A calorie is a calorie. Kind of - assuming you are not eating paper, lol. Where's Adonis when you need him?
Why is paper the demarcation line for what counts as a calorie? Much of it is plant based. The issue would be that it probably contains almost no calories.
As the video points out, we can see that some calories are burned and utilized differently by the body. Alcohol, for instance, is utilized by the brain and kidneys in a different way. You don't even need complex scientific methods to realize this. So all of those calories are obviously not burned efficiently. What are the chances that alcohol is the only thing we ingest that burns differently?
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Healthy fats increase testosterone levels.
Saturated fats increase test levels the most
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Why is paper the demarcation line for what counts as a calorie? Much of it is plant based. The issue would be that it probably contains almost no calories.
Good god it was a joke Al. All calorie measurements are made using a technique called bomb calorimetry. Even a fucking lump of coal inside the calorimeter will give you a calorie value, lol. Of course every food processes differently enzymatically- some faster than others. And no, we can’t process cellulose because unlike cows we lack the enzymes to split that polysaccharide into glucose units. Hence we can’t eat paper even though it combusts in a calorimeter.
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Good god it was a joke Al. All calorie measurements are made using a technique called bomb calorimetry. Even a fucking lump of coal inside the calorimeter will give you a calorie value, lol. Of course every food processes differently enzymatically- some faster than others. And no, we can’t process cellulose because unlike cows we lack the enzymes to split that polysaccharide into glucose units. Hence we can’t eat paper even though it combusts in a calorimeter.
thats nonsense, how can you account for Dorians paper thin skin..
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LOL...please, do continue posting on a bodybuilding board telling men how not to be confused with gays. :D
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