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Title: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 25, 2020, 01:34:46 AM
Nuff said.

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Post by: Bevo on May 25, 2020, 02:02:25 AM
Who cares
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: pellius on May 25, 2020, 02:32:26 AM
Who cares

LOL! Seriously? Don't you realize that the Jordan brand generated 3.1 billion for just Nike alone. Jordan is not a businessman, he's a business all to himself generating billions throughout the world as well as for himself. A standalone empire.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 25, 2020, 02:51:42 AM
LOL! Seriously? Don't you realize that the Jordan brand generated 3.1 billion for just Nike alone. Jordan is not a businessman, he's a business all to himself generating billions throughout the world as well as for himself. A standalone empire.

He is the only person on earth that if aliens suddenly landed and admitted they put alien dna in to one womans baby in the past, and that baby was Jordan, I wouldnt be surprised.His talent and abilities were other worldly.The only thing that ever stopped Jordan on a basketball court was aging.Saying nothing of his charisma, composure and business savvy off the court.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Body-Buildah on May 25, 2020, 03:24:51 AM
far from it, just a goof playing a kids game that ghetto kids worship and murder for his shoes. quite stupid actually
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Flexacon on May 25, 2020, 03:27:10 AM
Wilt Chamberlain was a far superior specimen (no homo)
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Post by: Dokey111 on May 25, 2020, 03:45:41 AM
Who cares
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 25, 2020, 03:53:26 AM
Wilt Chamberlain was a far superior specimen (no homo)

Most of the wilt stuff is myth.The eye test doesnt lie.Robinson or Shaq are far better at the same height.Theres plenty of wilt footage now on youtube, young and old.
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Post by: Automation on May 25, 2020, 04:08:58 AM
Bloke was good at playing with a ball. Hardly Einstein.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Flexacon on May 25, 2020, 04:27:33 AM
Most of the wilt stuff is myth.The eye test doesnt lie.Robinson or Shaq are far better at the same height.Theres plenty of wilt footage now on youtube, young and old.

So things like Wilts athletic prowess in track and field and the gym don't count? His minutes per game/stamina on the court don't count?

Robinson and Shaq aren't complete athletes in the way Wilt was.


Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 25, 2020, 04:37:30 AM
So things like Wilts athletic prowess in track and field and the gym don't count? His minutes per game/stamina on the court don't count?

Robinson and Shaq aren't complete athletes in the way Wilt was.

Every wilt story was from wilts mouth and being the 50s, and no internet or way to verify anything, the myths grew.His track and field numbers have been thoroughly debunked:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/9akkos/debunking_most_every_wilt_chamberlain_track_field

But forget about all that and watch the video.Wilt looks like gangly man dominating a bunch of part timers whose full time job were as plumbers.Basically about as athletic as javale mcgee today.

Robinson was confirmed by multiple spurs to be the fastest player in sprints, could walk full length of the court on just hands alone.I mean have you ever seen a 7'1 look like the pic above or move like the video below?

Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Flexacon on May 25, 2020, 04:59:54 AM
Every wilt story was from wilts mouth and being the 50s, and no internet or way to verify anything, the myths grew.His track and field numbers have been thoroughly debunked:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/9akkos/debunking_most_every_wilt_chamberlain_track_field

But forget about all that and watch the video.Wilt looks like gangly man dominating a bunch of part timers whose full time job were as plumbers.Basically about as athletic as javale mcgee today.

Robinson was confirmed by multiple spurs to be the fastest player in sprints, could walk full length of the court on just hands alone.I mean have you ever seen a 7'1 look like the pic above or move like the video below?



Everyone knows Wilt loved to exaggerate, but all that reddit link proved is that he had an incredible high jump, triple jump and shot putt.

You are way too caught up in how guys look. I'll remind you about this
(https://cdn.ib.tv/thesweetscience/images/stories/boxing3/LacyStudio08_HOGAN_6_59c18.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EUEVn7exqsU/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 25, 2020, 05:03:48 AM
Everyone knows Wilt loved to exaggerate, but all that reddit link proved is that he had an incredible high jump, triple jump and shot putt.

You are way too caught up in how guys look. I'll remind you about this
(https://cdn.ib.tv/thesweetscience/images/stories/boxing3/LacyStudio08_HOGAN_6_59c18.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EUEVn7exqsU/maxresdefault.jpg)

Boxing is highly skill based, track and field is largely athletic prowess.Your argument was about wilts track and field records, which is a myth and being a specimen, with an added "no homo", implying you were refering to his physical stature.That Calzaghe fight was amazing though, he ran rings around lacy.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Flexacon on May 25, 2020, 05:39:50 AM
Boxing is highly skill based, track and field is largely athletic prowess.Your argument was about wilts track and field records, which is a myth and being a specimen, with an added "no homo", implying you were refering to his physical stature.That Calzaghe fight was amazing though, he ran rings around lacy.

I added the "no homo" because I used the words "superior specimen". I didn't want it getting confused as a cuck statement.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: harmankardon1 on May 25, 2020, 05:59:34 AM
Boxing is highly skill based, track and field is largely athletic prowess.Your argument was about wilts track and field records, which is a myth and being a specimen, with an added "no homo", implying you were refering to his physical stature.That Calzaghe fight was amazing though, he ran rings around lacy.

You can't tell someone is elite at track and field by looking at them either....

Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 25, 2020, 06:04:49 AM
You can't tell someone is elite at track and field by looking at them either....

No, but added with visual evidence of speed for example, robinsons physique screams fast twitch fibres.
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Post by: che on May 25, 2020, 06:06:47 AM
End of thread



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Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: POB on May 25, 2020, 06:45:13 AM
far from it, just a goof playing a kids game that ghetto kids worship and murder for his shoes. quite stupid actually

And eating fish and chicken all day in between workouts and putting oil in your butt isn’t “quite stupid actually”
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2020, 07:14:44 AM
goat= apples, oranges, peaches.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2020, 07:16:10 AM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ruthba01.shtml
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2020, 07:17:07 AM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Babe_Ruth
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2020, 07:18:09 AM
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJi00.htm
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2020, 07:18:57 AM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01.html
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 25, 2020, 07:33:34 AM
goat= apples, oranges, peaches.

All had flaws.Jordan is the only flawless athlete He is like combining federer, nadal and djokovic in tennis, orr, lemieux,liddstrom and gretzky in hockey, woods, niklaus and palmer in golf, brady, payton and taylor in the nfl, lara,warne and rhodes in cricket, messi, ronaldo, zidane and moore in soccer etc etc.Jordan is the only flawless player.He had no weaknesses athletically, skill wise, defensively, offensively or mentally.Cant say that about anyone else.Theres a reason why Jordan is considered a god, I cant think of any of other athlete so revered, because gods dont have flaws.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: RK on May 25, 2020, 11:15:26 AM
End of thread



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 Bold could have been pronounced GOAT of all athletes had he had WR in the 40s, 60 m.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2020, 12:06:18 PM
Bold could have been pronounced GOAT of all athletes had he had WR in the 40s, 60 m.
    I'm guessing English isn't your first language.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: RK on May 25, 2020, 12:07:53 PM
    I'm guessing English isn't your first language.
you're right
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: funk51 on May 25, 2020, 12:17:48 PM
you're right
   i'm not mocking you, i used to speak 3 languages now in my dotage i'm barely fluid in one. ;D   as far as bolt, to be a wide receiver in the NFL you need great hands as well as other abilities bolt might not possess. see bob hayes and renaldo nehimiah
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: robcguns on May 25, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
far from it, just a goof playing a kids game that ghetto kids worship and murder for his shoes. quite stupid actually

This definitely this
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 25, 2020, 01:09:22 PM
NBA basketball players have genetics that are only gifted for that sport and terrible for most other sports and really terrible for survival.
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Post by: Bevo on May 25, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
far from it, just a goof playing a kids game that ghetto kids worship and murder for his shoes. quite stupid actually

X2
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Bevo on May 25, 2020, 01:19:09 PM
LOL! Seriously? Don't you realize that the Jordan brand generated 3.1 billion for just Nike alone. Jordan is not a businessman, he's a business all to himself generating billions throughout the world as well as for himself. A standalone empire.

Bezos, Gates, Buffett, Dell,  zuckerberg, Musk, etc...

Bunch of ghetto kids that worship and get shot over 200 dollar shoes made in China
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: The Scott on May 25, 2020, 01:54:50 PM
Wilton Norman Chamberlain was an incredible athlete.  I only have second-hand knowledge of his abilities via the father of a friend that knew and played summer ball with him.

He would dunk Jordan's dumb travelin' ass with ease.  Not the ball.  Jordan. He could do most anything on a court back then and would do so again today and in any era over the lifetime of basketball.  Jordan is an illiterate fuckwit.  Only David Robinson has a chance but again, Wilt was incredibly powerful and fast.  In his chosen sport, he never fouled out of a game.  Never.  He played more minutes than anyone else.  He averaged over 50 points a game for an entire season.  He could block shots like no one before or since and that included George Mikan, the man widely held responsible for the goal-tending rule.

And Chamberlain was a Jazz fan. Class.  I tend to think David Robinson is probably more a gentleman than Wilt but to be honest I don't know either of them.  Fuck Jordan and that pussy LeBron.  Fucking ghetto shitwads both of them.

On top of all that, it's still just a fucking kids game.  That's true of almost all sports and I hate sports because they're the breeding ground for 'tards.   ;D
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Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 25, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
Wilton Norman Chamberlain was an incredible athlete.  I only have second-hand knowledge of his abilities via the father of a friend that knew and played summer ball with him.

He would dunk Jordan's dumb travelin' ass with ease.  Not the ball.  Jordan. He could do most anything on a court back then and would do so again today and in any era over the lifetime of basketball.  Jordan is an illiterate fuckwit.  Only David Robinson has a chance but again, Wilt was incredibly powerful and fast.  In his chosen sport, he never fouled out of a game.  Never.  He played more minutes than anyone else.  He averaged over 50 points a game for an entire season.  He could block shots like no one before or since and that included George Mikan, the man widely held responsible for the goal-tending rule.

And Chamberlain was a Jazz fan. Class.  I tend to think David Robinson is probably more a gentleman than Wilt but to be honest I don't know either of them.  Fuck Jordan and that pussy LeBron.  Fucking ghetto shitwads both of them.

On top of all that, it's still just a fucking kids game.  That's true of almost all sports and I hate sports because they're the breeding ground for 'tards.   ;D
Wilt did all this and smoked cigarettes in the locker room at halftime.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: robcguns on May 25, 2020, 03:43:11 PM

Here's the G.O.A.T.

Fuck yeah, big bad booty daddy was fucking great.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: pellius on May 25, 2020, 04:02:33 PM
far from it, just a goof playing a kids game that ghetto kids worship and murder for his shoes. quite stupid actually

"Just a goof"? How many jobs have you created? How many families are you responsible for helping raise and provide a good living for? How many people have you made rich? How many people have you entertained and inspired? Only "ghetto kids worship"? Do you even have a clue the audience he drew around the world from all levels during his prime? And this was before social media?

It's way more than a guy putting a ball through a hoop.
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Post by: pellius on May 25, 2020, 04:05:17 PM
Bezos, Gates, Buffett, Dell,  zuckerberg, Musk, etc...

Bunch of ghetto kids that worship and get shot over 200 dollar shoes made in China

What's your point? Nobody was suggesting Jordan is the only successful billionaire in the world. And you really think he became successful and rich because of "ghetto kids"?
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Post by: Bevo on May 25, 2020, 05:04:05 PM
What's your point? Nobody was suggesting Jordan is the only successful billionaire in the world. And you really think he became successful and rich because of "ghetto kids"?

Who are the main demographics that love Jordan? Buying all his shoes? His brand of overpriced clothing? I don’t see many non hebrews decked out in Jordan gear from head to toe. All made in China

On a side note, I like how LeBron and the whole NBA worships China, same for Jordan, that’s where the majority of the profits come in
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Post by: G_Thang on May 25, 2020, 07:21:31 PM


This was a good piece.  He basically had the Wizards on the verge of the #1 seed with a bunch of rookies before his injuries.  Kobe and Lebrick don't do this.  Maybe his ole school rivals like Bird and Magic pull it off but I don't know at 39-40.   

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Post by: jude2 on May 25, 2020, 08:07:59 PM
Fuck yeah, big bad booty daddy was fucking great.
Very entertaining and impressive.
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Post by: Marty Champions on May 25, 2020, 08:41:54 PM
Very entertaining and impressive.
whats the deal with your sister angela?
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: pellius on May 25, 2020, 10:24:08 PM
Who are the main demographics that love Jordan? Buying all his shoes? His brand of overpriced clothing? I don’t see many non hebrews decked out in Jordan gear from head to toe. All made in China

On a side note, I like how LeBron and the whole NBA worships China, same for Jordan, that’s where the majority of the profits come in

If you are implying that it is young Blacks, ghetto Blacks -- not a wealthy demographic, that have made the Jordan brand so wildly successful you would think some casual awareness of demographics would put this to rest. Blacks represent only 13% of the American population. "Ghetto Blacks" are an even smaller demographic. Nonetheless, Blacks in general are over-represented as Nike buyers at 18%. Whites, about 75% of the American population and though they are under-represented still account for about 67% of Nike buyers. And this is in America only. The gap is much larger through the rest of the world, especially in Asia.

Though I can't relate to this, my friend is a Jordan collector and belongs to a club. They're the ones that stand in line overnight to buy the latest. He can look at a shoe and tell you the model, year, and story behind that shoe. He brags how he has inside information when a coveted shoe will go on sale. There are about 225 active members in that club. Only three are Black and are hardly "Ghetto Blacks" as we, thankfully, don't have them here. Most of the Blacks here are either in or from the military.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 26, 2020, 02:00:38 AM
Wilton Norman Chamberlain was an incredible athlete.  I only have second-hand knowledge of his abilities via the father of a friend that knew and played summer ball with him.

He would dunk Jordan's dumb travelin' ass with ease.  Not the ball.  Jordan. He could do most anything on a court back then and would do so again today and in any era over the lifetime of basketball.  Jordan is an illiterate fuckwit.  Only David Robinson has a chance but again, Wilt was incredibly powerful and fast.  In his chosen sport, he never fouled out of a game.  Never.  He played more minutes than anyone else.  He averaged over 50 points a game for an entire season.  He could block shots like no one before or since and that included George Mikan, the man widely held responsible for the goal-tending rule.

And Chamberlain was a Jazz fan. Class.  I tend to think David Robinson is probably more a gentleman than Wilt but to be honest I don't know either of them.  Fuck Jordan and that pussy LeBron.  Fucking ghetto shitwads both of them.

On top of all that, it's still just a fucking kids game.  That's true of almost all sports and I hate sports because they're the breeding ground for 'tards.   ;D

Wilt also was a mental midget who fell apart in the playoffs, playing in the nba 60s and early 70s that was a far worse standard than the 90s.His 30ppg regular season average, fell to 22 points per game.Jordans 30.1 average RAISED to 33ppg in the playoffs.Wilt also played in 6 nba finals, losing 4 of them.Jordan played in 6, winning all 6.Jordan would have been scoring 50ppg in the 60s playoffs.Barely anyone in NBA circles or on NBA forums has Wilt in the top  3 players of all time, its always Jordan, Lebron and Kareem.With Jordan the overwhelming and consensus number 1.The plain truth was the standard in the NBA sucked in the 60s, most division 1 college teams today would murder them.The game was in its infancy.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 26, 2020, 04:14:08 AM
Air Jordans were shitty shoes.  I bought them as a teenager with the money I earned from work and they lasted about a month before falling apart.  I think they were close to $100 and this was back in the 80's.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: The Scott on May 26, 2020, 07:54:27 AM
Wilt also was a mental midget who fell apart in the playoffs, playing in the nba 60s and early 70s that was a far worse standard than the 90s.His 30ppg regular season average, fell to 22 points per game.Jordans 30.1 average RAISED to 33ppg in the playoffs.Wilt also played in 6 nba finals, losing 4 of them.Jordan played in 6, winning all 6.Jordan would have been scoring 50ppg in the 60s playoffs.Barely anyone in NBA circles or on NBA forums has Wilt in the top  3 players of all time, its always Jordan, Lebron and Kareem.With Jordan the overwhelming and consensus number 1.The plain truth was the standard in the NBA sucked in the 60s, most division 1 college teams today would murder them.The game was in its infancy.

I heard otherwise from the man that played summer ball with him. He said he was pretty smart in school and an all around great athlete.  I don't think he would lie to me.  Jordan and lebron are ball palming, travelling idiots. The NBA sucks in the same way powerlifting does allowing bench shirts and stuff while the basketball allows travelling, palming the ball, dribbling above the waist and more.  If you're not good enough to obey the rules, they change them to make you better.  FTN.  ;D
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 26, 2020, 08:00:59 AM
I heard otherwise from the man that played summer ball with him. He said he was pretty smart in school and an all around great athlete.  I don't think he would lie to me.  Jordan and lebron are ball palming, travelling idiots. The NBA sucks in the same way powerlifting does allowing bench shirts and stuff while the basketball allows travelling, palming the ball, dribbling above the waist and more.  If you're not good enough to obey the rules, they change them to make you better.  FTN.  ;D

Ever play with division 1 college players in pickup?I have, they all seem like Michael Jordan to us mere mortals, they never miss, never lose their dribble etc.You give them more than 2 feet of room its an automatic 2 or 3 points.Put most of these guys in the NBA and they would struggle to average 1 point a game for the season.Basketball has such a high skill and athletic ceiling for those lucky enough to reach it that it just seems impossible to believe what they do if you have average genetics.Compare this to soccer for example, in the uk they have europe vs the world charity soccer match, both teams mixed with the top pros and random celebs, I struggle to tell the pros and celebs apart.

This guy, the professor, couldnt even make a division 1 college team



Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: fredrollon on May 26, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

.Basketball has such a high skill and athletic ceiling for those lucky enough to reach it that it just seems impossible to believe what they do if you have average genetics.

Compare this to soccer for example, in the uk they have europe vs the world charity soccer match, both teams mixed with the top pros and random celebs, I struggle to tell the pros and celebs apart.


"During his youth, Olajuwon was a soccer goalkeeper, which helped give him the footwork and agility to balance his size and strength in basketball, and also contributed to his shot-blocking ability. Olajuwon did not play basketball until the age of 17, when he entered a local tournament.

 It has been said that a coach in Nigeria once asked him to dunk and demonstrated while standing on a chair. Olajuwon then tried to stand on the chair himself. When redirected by staff not to use the chair, Hakeem could initially not dunk the basketball"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon#Early_life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon#Early_life)


I'm not sure how basketball fans would rate the above player, but in soccer,for one thing,  it's practically unheard of for a professional to play the game at a complete novice level that late.



Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 26, 2020, 09:21:19 AM
"During his youth, Olajuwon was a soccer goalkeeper, which helped give him the footwork and agility to balance his size and strength in basketball, and also contributed to his shot-blocking ability. Olajuwon did not play basketball until the age of 17, when he entered a local tournament.

 It has been said that a coach in Nigeria once asked him to dunk and demonstrated while standing on a chair. Olajuwon then tried to stand on the chair himself. When redirected by staff not to use the chair, Hakeem could initially not dunk the basketball"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon#Early_life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon#Early_life)


I'm not sure how basketball fans would rate the above player, but in soccer,for one thing,  it's practically unheard of a professional to play the game at a complete novice level that late.

Olajuwon was a freak of nature, its highly unusual for people to pickup basketball so late and make the nba, those that have done it have 1 in 10 million genes, and they all came from countries where basketball hoops are a rare sight, usually african countries..Thing with football (soccer), is that you only need a ball and a couple shirts for goalposts and you can play.Half the world or more its the number 1 game and every kid has kicked a ball by the age of 3 and its obvious by around 10 who has an aptitude for it without even seeing them in an organised game.Outside the phillipines and lithuania basketball isnt the number 1 sport in any of the countries in the world.

Olajuwon was a one of the top 5 players ever at his peak.To move like he did at nearly 7 feet is unheard of.Pure genetics with great skills thrown in.

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Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Notomorrow on May 27, 2020, 07:27:20 PM
Serena Williams is the most dominant athlete male or female that has ever lived. She won her first US Open in 1999 and for 21 straight years not ONE player has a winning record against her, in an era considered to be one of the greatest in women's tennis, from Azareknka to her sister Venus, no one has ever come CLOSE to a winning record. Every single major title on every surface and matches that aren't even close, like 2019 against Sharapova 6-1 6-1. This would be the equivalent of an NBA finals where one team was consistently winning 130-75. And Sharapova is going to be in the hall of fame.

21 straight years no one can beat her. She is pushing 40 years old and took time off to have a baby and is STILL a strong contender to win all majors. Part of this is racial as few blacks play tennis and her athleticism is the equivalent of Jordan playing in an all white NBA.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: che on May 27, 2020, 07:43:58 PM
Serena Williams is the most dominant athlete male or female that has ever lived. She won her first US Open in 1999 and for 21 straight years not ONE player has a winning record against her, in an era considered to be one of the greatest in women's tennis, from Azareknka to her sister Venus, no one has ever come CLOSE to a winning record. Every single major title on every surface and matches that aren't even close, like 2019 against Sharapova 6-1 6-1. This would be the equivalent of an NBA finals where one team was consistently winning 130-75. And Sharapova is going to be in the hall of fame.

21 straight years no one can beat her. She is pushing 40 years old and took time off to have a baby and is STILL a strong contender to win all majors. Part of this is racial as few blacks play tennis and her athleticism is the equivalent of Jordan playing in an all white NBA.


How would Serena Williams do against Roger Federer  both  in their prime?

Probably 6-0, 6-0 ,6-0  ,Serena would not stand a chance   

The answer is No
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Walter Sobchak on May 27, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
Are we talking about team sports or individual sports?

Wayne Gretzky is the greatest team sport athlete of all time.

The comparisons aren’t even close.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: che on May 27, 2020, 07:58:05 PM
Are we talking about team sports or individual sports?

Wayne Gretzky is the greatest team sport athlete of all time.

The comparisons aren’t even close.

Haha , hockey is not even a sport , pussy.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Beefjake on May 27, 2020, 08:04:49 PM

How would Serena Williams do against Roger Federer  both  in their prime?
Probably 6-0, 6-0 ,6-0  ,Serena would not stand a chance   
The answer is No
Agreed. Serena is one of the most accomplished, not absolute best. In mens series, she'd be around 150 at her peak.
Steffi Graf has more Grand Slams than Serena has and back then they didn't pick an choose only the big four tournament but played more non Slam tournaments.

Era is a diffucult thing to weigh in. Hardly notning you can do about it.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Skeletor on May 27, 2020, 08:06:58 PM
Serena Williams is the most dominant athlete male or female that has ever lived. She won her first US Open in 1999 and for 21 straight years not ONE player has a winning record against her, in an era considered to be one of the greatest in women's tennis, from Azareknka to her sister Venus, no one has ever come CLOSE to a winning record. Every single major title on every surface and matches that aren't even close, like 2019 against Sharapova 6-1 6-1. This would be the equivalent of an NBA finals where one team was consistently winning 130-75. And Sharapova is going to be in the hall of fame.

21 straight years no one can beat her. She is pushing 40 years old and took time off to have a baby and is STILL a strong contender to win all majors. Part of this is racial as few blacks play tennis and her athleticism is the equivalent of Jordan playing in an all white NBA.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=665891.0;attach=1239285;image)

"Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Karsten Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple of bottles of ice cold lager". The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park, after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two shandies. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2. Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun" and that the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier and put spin on the ball that female players can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350."
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: G_Thang on May 27, 2020, 08:16:11 PM
Bold could have been pronounced GOAT of all athletes had he had WR in the 40s, 60 m.

Bold does no better than Renaldo Nehemiah in the NFL in his prime, and I'm putting up money too he gets knocked out also on a slant or crossing route. 
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: pellius on May 28, 2020, 12:28:26 AM
Serena Williams is the most dominant athlete male or female that has ever lived. She won her first US Open in 1999 and for 21 straight years not ONE player has a winning record against her, in an era considered to be one of the greatest in women's tennis, from Azareknka to her sister Venus, no one has ever come CLOSE to a winning record. Every single major title on every surface and matches that aren't even close, like 2019 against Sharapova 6-1 6-1. This would be the equivalent of an NBA finals where one team was consistently winning 130-75. And Sharapova is going to be in the hall of fame.

21 straight years no one can beat her. She is pushing 40 years old and took time off to have a baby and is STILL a strong contender to win all majors. Part of this is racial as few blacks play tennis and her athleticism is the equivalent of Jordan playing in an all white NBA.

I don't really follow tennis but I was flipping through the channels and Serena was being interviewed just after beating her opponent in France. She was speaking fluent French. Then I started flipping through channels again and again saw Serena being interviewed in Italy after winning her match. She was speaking in fluent Italian. How does a Black girl from Compton learn how to speak fluent French and Italian? Very impressive.

I had no idea she was that old but now that I think about it she's been around forever. Again, impressive.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 12:37:34 AM
Are we talking about team sports or individual sports?

Wayne Gretzky is the greatest team sport athlete of all time.

The comparisons aren’t even close.

Theres a few problems with Gretzky, a couple of players have matched his peak, and the nhl in the 80s was like the nba in the 60s, the game has advanced way more than basketball say from the same period.Also hockey players are only on the ice for around a 3rd of the game.And for someone proclaimed as the G.O.A.T, only 4 Stanley Cups isnt cutting it.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2020, 12:46:39 AM
Serena Williams is the most dominant athlete male or female that has ever lived. She won her first US Open in 1999 and for 21 straight years not ONE player has a winning record against her, in an era considered to be one of the greatest in women's tennis, from Azareknka to her sister Venus, no one has ever come CLOSE to a winning record. Every single major title on every surface and matches that aren't even close, like 2019 against Sharapova 6-1 6-1. This would be the equivalent of an NBA finals where one team was consistently winning 130-75. And Sharapova is going to be in the hall of fame.

21 straight years no one can beat her. She is pushing 40 years old and took time off to have a baby and is STILL a strong contender to win all majors. Part of this is racial as few blacks play tennis and her athleticism is the equivalent of Jordan playing in an all white NBA.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=665891.0;attach=1239285;image)

LOL!!!!

So ugly.

You can't really fault her for having a strong, manly physique though!
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Body-Buildah on May 28, 2020, 01:43:04 AM
Haha , hockey is not even a sport , pussy.

toughest sport in the world

played w/ blades on feet...      check
weapon in hand....                 check
on rock hard surface...           check
hitting and fighting a regular.. check
surrounded by walls...             check
puck travels 100 mph              check

It is THE sport, the best sport, the toughest sport...  Not NBgay, or MLB-gay, or winy NFL twitter stars.
Che-Puzzy
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 01:53:22 AM
toughest sport in the world

played w/ blades on feet...      check
weapon in hand....                 check
on rock hard surface...           check
hitting and fighting a regular.. check
surrounded by walls...             check
puck travels 100 mph              check

It is THE sport, the best sport, the toughest sport...  Not NBgay, or MLB-gay, or winy NFL twitter stars.
Che-Puzzy

Gretzky weighed 155 pounds and could barely bench 140.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 02:39:05 AM
For anyone not sure on jordan, watch from 28 minutes here.

Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Dreadlifter on May 28, 2020, 02:42:07 AM
toughest sport in the world

played w/ blades on feet...      check
weapon in hand....                 check
on rock hard surface...           check
hitting and fighting a regular.. check
surrounded by walls...             check
puck travels 100 mph              check

It is THE sport, the best sport, the toughest sport...  Not NBgay, or MLB-gay, or winy NFL twitter stars.
Che-Puzzy

Hockey is worth watching for one reason and one reason only- the fights. It's the only thing that keeps it above the yawnfest that is baseball.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Skylge on May 28, 2020, 03:23:43 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/d1/b9/69d1b95bc18edc98d98c53d3ea317e34.jpg)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/los-angeles-lakers-wilt-chamberlain-practices-the-day-before-a-game-picture-id911850832)

(https://external-preview.redd.it/MZleJzNOqMgOp___oOk9VettDB9WucKbWEfvvc2IY_A.jpg?auto=webp&s=8e807125f4f0be553dfb9365fc09d2a9ba8d112e)

(https://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/wcma.jpg)

great volleyball player too:

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AM7B0C/avp-professional-beach-volleyball-AM7B0C.jpg)

Not sure how many still stand in 2020, but 72 NBA records speak for themselves:

www.archive.nba.com/encyclopedia/wilts_records.html

G.O.A.T.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 03:41:14 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/d1/b9/69d1b95bc18edc98d98c53d3ea317e34.jpg)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/los-angeles-lakers-wilt-chamberlain-practices-the-day-before-a-game-picture-id911850832)

(https://external-preview.redd.it/MZleJzNOqMgOp___oOk9VettDB9WucKbWEfvvc2IY_A.jpg?auto=webp&s=8e807125f4f0be553dfb9365fc09d2a9ba8d112e)

(https://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/wcma.jpg)

great volleyball player too:

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AM7B0C/avp-professional-beach-volleyball-AM7B0C.jpg)

Not sure how many still stand in 2020, but 72 NBA records speak for themselves:

www.archive.nba.com/encyclopedia/wilts_records.html

G.O.A.T.

Great for his time but a mental midget, whose stats fell off a cliff in the playoffs and when the league became more competitive in the late 60s.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 28, 2020, 04:32:12 AM
A basketball player can never be considered the best athlete of all time.  The athleticism of a basketball player is too limited.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 04:44:24 AM
A basketball player can never be considered the best athlete of all time.  The athleticism of a basketball player is too limited.

All the best athletes in the world are in the NBA.Its well known all the best fast twitch fibre athletes, aka the power in sports, are west african.Its also known all the blacks that showed the best genetics were picked as slaves to take to america, so they could most likely survive the trip and work long hours.

The NBA is the highest paid league in the world, if you are elite at football, basketball or baseball, 9/10 blacks will pick basketball, its the goal of most african americans if they have the ability to make it.Its why the American boxing scene for the heavier weights fell off a cliff in the 00s, once the NBA offered those crazy salaries, there was no doubt where any elite black athlete was going.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 28, 2020, 04:49:07 AM
All the best athletes in the world are in the NBA.Its well known all the best fast twitch fibre athletes, aka the power in sports, are west african.Its also known all the blacks that showed the best genetics were picked as slaves to take to america, so they could most likely survive the trip and work long hours.

The NBA is the highest paid league in the world, if you are elite at football, basketball or baseball, 9/10 blacks will pick basketball, its the goal of most african americans if they have the ability to make it.Its why the American boxing scene for the heavier weights fell off a cliff in the 90s, once the NBA offered those crazy salaries, there was no doubt where any elite black athlete was going.
Nobody 6'6 or taller is the best athlete.  Athleticism is a combination of strength, speed, endurance, power, balance, technical prowess at highly complex tasks. 

A wrestler like Alexander Karelin is way more athletic than any NBA player.  How much money an athlete makes has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 04:51:25 AM
Nobody 6'6 or taller is the best athlete.  Athleticism is a combination of strength, speed, endurance, power, balance, technical prowess at highly complex tasks. 

A wrestler like Alexander Karelin is way more athletic than any NBA player.  How much money an athlete makes has nothing to do with it.

Bolt as regarded is the perfect sprinting machine.Him and Jordan are both around 6'5, jordan is is 6'4.75 barefoot.NBA players until recently were measured in Sneakers.

Bolts 40yr speed is 4.22, Jordans was in the 4.3s.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 28, 2020, 04:54:01 AM
Bolt has speed and that's it.  How fast would he run a mile or would he even finish?  An athlete can be tall but it's going to be detrimental overall for most.  Alexander Karelin was a tall athlete that would crush Jordan or Bolt in most categories.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 05:00:08 AM
Bolt has speed and that's it.  How fast would he run a mile or would he even finish?  An athlete can be tall but it's going to be detrimental overall for most.  Alexander Karelin was a tall athlete that would crush Jordan or Bolt in most categories.

If Karelin and Jordan both did the NFL combine, Karelin would win the bench press test and that would be it, Jordan would smoke him at everything else.Bokt would likely suck at the mile, Jordan could run 10 miles and not break a sweat.His endurance and engine was elite
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 28, 2020, 05:11:35 AM
The NFL combine is very limited.  Tony Gonzalez was a Hall of Fame tight end in the NFL and could have played in the NBA if he chose to go with basketball (he played both at CAL).  How many NBA players could have gone to the NFL instead?  Jordan couldn't even make it in baseball.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Body-Buildah on May 28, 2020, 05:13:09 AM
All the best athletes in the world are in the NBA.Its well known all the best fast twitch fibre athletes, aka the power in sports, are west african.

Hi black guy

ever see an NBA player fly around on skates? Or swim?
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 05:14:43 AM
Hi black guy

ever see an NBA player fly around on skates? Or swim?

Im a white englishman who has played football (soccer) with elite whites, and basketball with elite american blacks, the difference in athletic abilities between the 2 races is very apparent.And yes blacks suck at swimming.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: wes on May 28, 2020, 05:17:41 AM
I could give 2 fucks about any pro athlete they make millions for playing a fucking game.......which I guess is pretty smart except for the stupid ones who end up broke after retirement.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 05:17:45 AM
The NFL combine is very limited.  Tony Gonzalez was a Hall of Fame tight end in the NFL and could have played in the NBA if he chose to go with basketball (he played both at CAL).  How many NBA players could have gone to the NFL instead?  Jordan couldn't even make it in baseball.

Jordan hadnt played competitive baseball for 17 years when he went to the minors.He was also steadily improving and most experts picked him to make the majors, but the MLB tried to use him in the strike and that was the end of that.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 28, 2020, 05:20:15 AM
Jordan hadnt played competitive baseball for 17 years when he went to the minors.He was also steadily improving and most experts picked him to make the majors, but the MLB tried to use him in the strike and that was the end of that.
He never would have made it in MLB, that was all hype.  He couldn't hit a curve ball plus how many guys that tall make it in MLB?
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 05:25:57 AM
He never would have made it in MLB, that was all hype.  He couldn't hit a curve ball plus how many guys that tall make it in MLB?
Again he hadnt played for SEVENTEEN YEARS,expecting him to be hitting curves on the regular in year 1 from mlb level pitchers seems a little harsh no?Im not saying he would been a good or even average player, missing 17 years wouldnt allow that, but he could have made a roster on merit.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/michael-jordan-would-have-made-majors-basell-terry-francona
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: WoogsRaven on May 28, 2020, 06:25:59 AM
That article is bullshit. Not a chance in hell MJ would have made a major league roster on merit.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 28, 2020, 09:53:56 AM
That article is bullshit. Not a chance in hell MJ would have made a major league roster on merit.
Correct.  It was awkward watching videos of him playing in the minors and obvious he was given the chance simply on his name.  He had as much chance of having an MLB career as I have.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Walter Sobchak on May 28, 2020, 10:04:45 AM
Theres a few problems with Gretzky, a couple of players have matched his peak, and the nhl in the 80s was like the nba in the 60s, the game has advanced way more than basketball say from the same period.Also hockey players are only on the ice for around a 3rd of the game.And for someone proclaimed as the G.O.A.T, only 4 Stanley Cups isnt cutting it.

No one has come even close to matching Wayne Gretzky’s records.

The NHL was never better than it was during Gretzky’s Oilers’ heyday. If Peter Pocklington didn’t break up that team, they would have won 3-4 more championships.

There is absolutely no team sport athlete that comes close to Wayne Gretzky statistically.

And Gretzky was at a physical disadvantage to his peers, his success wasn’t due to him being genetically or physically superior to his opponents (Wilt Chamberlain, Williams sisters, Jim Brown).
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Dave D on May 28, 2020, 10:06:18 AM
Correct.  It was awkward watching videos of him playing in the minors and obvious he was given the chance simply on his name.  He had as much chance of having an MLB career as I have.

He may have not made it on merit but he would have made it solely for marketing purposes. Jerry Reinsdorf owns the White Sox, he would have made sure his star basketball player would have gotten a call up and he would have stayed until Jordan said he could not handle the big leagues.

Based on him being Michael Jordan his chances were much better than yours. If  Tim Tebow could have stayed healthy he would have been taking major league at bats, largely based on who he is as a "celebrity", Jordan in his prime was much more famous than Tebow ever was.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: fredrollon on May 28, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/d1/b9/69d1b95bc18edc98d98c53d3ea317e34.jpg)

(https://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/wcma.jpg)



If Wilt had not pussed out, that would have been a fun watch.

Leaving aside monetary considerations, Wilt's choice of opponent was sensible , as Ali liked to give the public a good show and so would've carried him.

Plenty of other pros might have just hit Wilt with a liver-shot and called it a night.


Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: WoogsRaven on May 28, 2020, 10:22:06 AM
He may have not made it on merit but he would have made it solely for marketing purposes. Jerry Reinsdorf owns the White Sox, he would have made sure his star basketball player would have gotten a call up and he would have stayed until Jordan said he could not handle the big leagues.

Based on him being Michael Jordan his chances were much better than yours. If  Tim Tebow could have stayed healthy he would have been taking major league at bats, largely based on who he is as a "celebrity", Jordan in his prime was much more famous than Tebow ever was.

If you believe that to be true then explain why it didn't play out that way. A decision like that is made by the GM, not the owner. There's no way an MLB GM would compromise a skill position on the roster(especially not if the team is a contender), just so that they could market MJ's celebrity status by calling him up from the minors. MJ sucked at baseball, he barely hit .200 in single A ball. Do you even remotely understand how good you have to be to play in the majors, especially as an outfielder?
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Dave D on May 28, 2020, 10:37:57 AM
If you believe that to be true then explain why it didn't play out that way. A decision like that is made by the GM, not the owner. There's no way an MLB GM would compromise a skill position on the roster(especially if the team is a contender), just so that they could market MJ's celebrity status by calling him up from the minors. MJ sucked at baseball, he barely hit .200 in single A ball. He never would've gotten the chance in play in the majors.

Because Jordan stepped into baseball after 17 years.  Mike Trout spent a year in the minors. The minor leagues are used to prep these guys.  Do you think they should have just thrown Jordan into a major league game, when they dont do that for anyone?

Serious question, do you think Jordan was assigned to Birmingham because of his past baseball skills or because of his name?

Do you think the guy who was still paying Jordan's basketball salary, while he was playing baseball, wouldn't have taken advantage of the financial possibilities of calling him up to the Sox, just to find out what fan interest there was in MJ the baseball player?

This has nothing to do with his baseball skill or talent.


Also ownership has more say than a GM. The Red Sox fired Drombroski a year after winning the World Series. GM jobs are dependent on keeping ownership happy first.  Reinsdorf had World Champions in the Bulls and he let Krause convince him the run was over BUT he even said he called Phil Jackson to see if he would come back, overstepping the GM's power.

I didnt realize the White Sox were contenders back then so maybe he wouldnt have gotten an endless run of at bats in the majors but I still think he would have gotten a call up early in the season.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 28, 2020, 10:42:48 AM
Jordan dominated while he trained and ate like shit. He’d have a steak dinner, get into his convertible and smoke a Cuban on his way to the stadium. Suit up and drop 40 points and have another cigar on his way back home. If he had the drugs and training like athletes today he’d be even greater.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: WoogsRaven on May 28, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Because Jordan stepped into baseball after 17 years.  Mike Trout spent a year in the minors. The minor leagues are used to prep these guys.  Do you think they should have just thrown Jordan into a major league game, when they dont do that for anyone?

Serious question, do you think Jordan was assigned to Birmingham because of his past baseball skills or because of his name?

Do you think the guy who was still paying Jordan's basketball salary, while he was playing baseball, wouldn't have taken advantage of the financial possibilities of calling him up to the Sox, just to find out what fan interest there was in MJ the baseball player?

This has nothing to do with his baseball skill or talent.

He was assigned to the Barons based off his mediocre baseball skills. He deservedly earned his spot on that team but that's not saying much. It's a low ball minor league team. And Jordan wasn't getting paid a basketball salary when he played baseball. He was RETIRED from basketball(or suspended for gambling, depending on what you believe)

What financial possibilities are to be gained by calling him up, especially if the team he's being called up to is a contender? So more fans can attend the game to watch him go 0-5 with 4 strikeouts?

It's the BIG LEAGUES. It's got everything to do with talent. And comparing the situation with Jordan and a future hall of famer in Trout is laughable.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Dave D on May 28, 2020, 11:04:38 AM
He was assigned to the Barons based off his mediocre baseball skills. He deservedly earned his spot on that team but that's not saying much. It's a low ball minor league team. And Jordan wasn't getting paid a basketball salary when he played baseball. He was RETIRED from basketball(or suspended for gambling, depending on what you believe)

What financial possibilities are to be gained by calling him up, especially if the team he's being called up to is a contender? So more fans can attend the game to watch him go 0-5 with 4 strikeouts?

It's the BIG LEAGUES. It's got everything to do with talent. And comparing the situation with Jordan and a future hall of famer in Trout is laughable.

Cool bro. We agree to disagree.

Jerry Reinsdorf just said in the ESPN documentary that he WAS still PAYING Jordans $3million basketball salary while he was playing baseball. So he was lying?

Why would the Mets call up Tebow? Theres zero money to be made off of player licensing?

I didnt compare the skill set of Trout and Jordan. I used the example of the best baseball player in the world needing time in the minor leagues so he could get adjusted to the speed of the game. You asked me if I thought Jordan was going to be called up to majors why they didn't just do it immediately. I then explained why. If Jordan would have been callled up immediately, with zero experience, when NO ONE is ever called up immediately, his whole attempt at playing baseball would have been recognized as a complete shame.

And since its all about talent you think a young player like Trout spends time in the minors because his talent needs to be harnessed and he cant help a team win or because his rookie contract can be manipulated so its financially advantageous to the club that a player doesn't accur a full season as a major player?
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: WoogsRaven on May 28, 2020, 11:10:11 AM
Cool bro. We agree to disagree.

Jerry Reinsdorf just said in the ESPN documentary that he WAS still PAYING Jordans $3million basketball salary while he was playing baseball. So he was lying?

Why would the Mets call up Tebow? Theres zero money to be made off of player licensing?

I didnt compare the skill set of Trout and Jordan. I used the example of the best baseball player in the world needing time in the minor leagues so he could get adjusted to the speed of the game. You asked me if I thought Jordan was going to be called up to majors why they didn't just do it immediately. I then explained why. If Jordan would have been callled up immediately, with zero experience, when NO ONE is ever called up immediately, his whole attempt at playing baseball would have been recognized as a complete shame.

And since its all about talent you think a young player like Trout spends time in the minors because his talent needs to be harnessed and he cant help a team win or because his rookie contract can be manipulated so its financially advantageous to the club that a player doesn't accur a full season as a major player?

I like a good debate and we can agree to disagree.....But the only explanation as to why he was still getting paid his basketball salary was because the contract he was playing under before he retired was all guaranteed money.

bro---I'm sorry you can preach to me until you're blue in the face but Jordan NEVER would've developed into a player good enough to be called up to the majors. Even if he would've stuck with it for a few years and never returned to the NBA. Not a chance. It was all a big fucking charade from day one.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Dave D on May 28, 2020, 11:21:45 AM
I like a good debate and we can agree to disagree.....But the only explanation as to why he was still getting paid his basketball salary was because the contract he was playing under before he retired was all guaranteed money.

bro---I'm sorry you can preach to me until you're blue in the face but Jordan NEVER would've developed into a player good enough to be called up to the majors. No chance.

LOL good deal. I thought I was legit angering one of the few remaining good members...

That said..... contract pay wouldn't be paid if a player steps away from the contract, it would be frozen/suspended until the player came back to work.


And I dont think Jordan was a major league player based on skill. He would have been a player strictly on his name value.

But the one thing im not considering is that I dont think Jordan would have taken a hand out/mercy call up.  Thats the biggest monkey wrench in my theory. He would have wanted to "earn" his spot.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Skylge on May 28, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
It has nothing to do with athleticism and such, but I think only the original sports from the ancient Olympic Games in Greece are "real". If I'm correct they all had a military background. So they came from the wish of military leaders who were looking for an edge on the battlefield.

(https://www.historyonthenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/anicent-olympics-games.jpg)

All other let's say modern "sports" really are just fun & games. They were all just made up in the 19th or 20th century by people who were bored and had a lot of spare time?

(https://www.ancientpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ancientolympicgamesboxing.jpg)

The money in modern "sports" is very real however. Apart from boxing all classic sports pay a lot less than modern ones.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: AbrahamG on May 28, 2020, 11:35:12 AM
I'd put Ali above him. 

Best athlete of all time? Bo Jackson.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Flexacon on May 28, 2020, 11:46:57 AM
It has nothing to do with athleticism and such, but I think only the original sports from the ancient Olympic Games in Greece are "real". If I'm correct they all had a military background. So they came from the wish of military leaders who were looking for an edge on the battlefield.



All other let's say modern "sports" really are just fun & games. They were all just made up in the 19th or 20th century by people who were bored and had a lot of spare time?



The money in modern "sports" is very real however. Apart from boxing all classic sports pay a lot less than modern ones.

I think the original definition for sports referred to things like fox hunting.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: US MUSL on May 28, 2020, 12:30:33 PM
If he had the drugs and training like athletes today he’d be even greater.

Probably be hurt all the time.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Bevo on May 28, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
White broski’s debating over Hebrew athletes, rather stick to thong warriors
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: che on May 28, 2020, 02:27:34 PM
.Its why the American boxing scene for the heavier weights fell off a cliff in the 00s, once the NBA offered those crazy salaries, there was no doubt where any elite black athlete was going.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: che on May 28, 2020, 03:09:03 PM
A basketball player can never be considered the best athlete of all time.  The athleticism of a basketball player is too limited.

You are right  ,there are some exceptions but in general the bigger you are the less athletic  you are going to be , in MMA or Boxing just look at  the difference in overall athleticism   between a flyweight and a heavyweight , in the NFL the smallest guys are the most athletic , there is a reason why gymnasts are usually   5'0''-  125 lbs ........................ .......................
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 28, 2020, 03:32:25 PM
Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

been known for years, have you been living under a rock?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing-whatever-happened-to-the-great-american-heavyweight-419049.html

https://www.insider.com/adam-kownacki-fights-robert-helenius-barclays-center-saturday-2020-3

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-the-USA-dominate-heavy-weight-boxing-anymore

https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-there-any-more-great-heavyweight-boxers-these-days
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: che on May 28, 2020, 03:52:32 PM
been known for years, have you been living under a rock?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing-whatever-happened-to-the-great-american-heavyweight-419049.html

https://www.insider.com/adam-kownacki-fights-robert-helenius-barclays-center-saturday-2020-3

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-the-USA-dominate-heavy-weight-boxing-anymore

https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-there-any-more-great-heavyweight-boxers-these-days
I have been involved in the sport of boxing my entire life ,I don't have to read any article to know why boxing is not like used to be in the US

Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: The Scott on May 28, 2020, 04:25:40 PM
I freely admit that I despise what has become of professional athletics and especially so the NBA.  And I think Jordan sucks the ass of the Balloonknot Taints®.  He is a ball palming, travelling taint-licker.

Oh.  And I am a tremendous fan and admirer of Wilt Chamberlain.  Basketball, like most sports, was on TV once in a great while in the early 70s but if it was Chamberlain and the Lakers on ABC's Wide World of Sports, I tried to watch it in glorious black and white.  Chamberlain, by many accounts, was a superb all 'round athlete.

But the truth of this matter is it's still just a kids game played by (today at least) fuckwits. 

If I awoke tomorrow and heard that Jordan had been kidnapped by aliens, I would not give an interstellar intercourse. 
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 29, 2020, 01:20:01 AM
I have been involved in the sport of boxing my entire life ,I don't have to read any article to know why boxing is not like used to be in the US

Clearly you do.Anyone even slightly well read and educated would know African Americans choosing better paying sports is the main reason for the decline in the heavier weights of American Professional Boxing.Your ignorance doesnt make you right.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Ssxa on May 29, 2020, 01:39:37 AM
ESPN talked about this a couple days ago, and the four analysts picked Serena Willams, Tom Brady and Tiger Woods twice. I just can’t see it. Michael Jordan, ok... I can see a case being made for him. Honestly, Cristiano Ronaldo who never gets mentioned has a good case too as he has been at the top of his sport which is at least 10x more popular than golf, tennis and American football, which the ESPN guys picked.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 29, 2020, 02:10:25 AM
ESPN talked about this a couple days ago, and the four analysts picked Serena Willams, Tom Brady and Tiger Woods twice. I just can’t see it. Michael Jordan, ok... I can see a case being made for him. Honestly, Cristiano Ronaldo who never gets mentioned has a good case too as he has been at the top of his sport which is at least 10x more popular than golf, tennis and American football, which the ESPN guys picked.

Problem with any football (soccer) player, is due to the amount of players, the ball being so hard to control, you can watch whole world cups, european championships etc and wonder if messi or ronaldo were even on the pitch.They are more celebrated for brief moments of genius, whereas someone like Jordan brought it for the full game, every game.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: G_Thang on May 29, 2020, 03:11:58 AM
For anyone not sure on jordan, watch from 28 minutes here.



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Fantastic but he called the Warriors juggernauts.  There's no way they get through the East Conf in Jordans era with no fucking inside game and all 3 pt shots.  I contest that Boston and Indiana shooters match them 3 for 3 and get them in foul trouble every game by the 3rd.  Trash generation of basketball, just like the music industry. 
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Beefjake on May 29, 2020, 03:15:27 AM
The NBA is the highest paid league in the world.

Baseball doesn't have salary caps.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Beefjake on May 29, 2020, 03:20:04 AM
Karsten Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350."
I know this story too. But, to be fair, girls were 17 and 16 back then. They evolved a lot.
But around 200, 150 if the male has sun to his eyes and no hat or glasses. 😀

Was it McEnroe who talked about this quite recently and got shit from female sports reporters?
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Dreadlifter on May 29, 2020, 04:43:48 AM
ESPN talked about this a couple days ago, and the four analysts picked Serena Willams, Tom Brady and Tiger Woods twice. I just can’t see it. Michael Jordan, ok... I can see a case being made for him. Honestly, Cristiano Ronaldo who never gets mentioned has a good case too as he has been at the top of his sport which is at least 10x more popular than golf, tennis and American football, which the ESPN guys picked.

Cristiano Ronaldo isn't even the best of his era. That accolade goes to Lionel Messi.

Tom Brady is a hard one to call when you take into account other sports. He obviously has the record to be considered the G.O.A.T in NFL and if you're talking just mentality he's a valid candidate, but the QB role has too narrow a skillset to come into consideration. It's almost unfair to compare a guy who only played offense and called plays that end of the game to someone like Jordan who was elite at offense, elite at defense and led the team.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: lightweight83 on May 29, 2020, 05:47:29 AM
Whether you think he's the greatest athlete of all time or even the best at his sport, MJ passes the "Eye test" better than any athlete in any sports history.
Anyone age 5-95 can watch a video of MJ jumping from the foul line or doing a crazy reverse layup and know without a doubt that he is an exceptional athlete. 
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: delon on May 29, 2020, 06:47:18 AM
Statistically no sportsman comes even remotely close to bradman in terms of being a dominant outlier (in the 2nd biggest sport in the world)

(https://www.statslife.org.uk/images/significance/2015/graphs/bradman-cricket-batting-average.png)

https://www.statslife.org.uk/sports/1989-did-don-bradman-s-cricketing-genius-make-him-a-statistical-outlier

Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 29, 2020, 08:37:17 AM
Some say the hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a 100 MPH fastball.  Mike Trout is dominating baseball like no other.  He is just entering his prime and is a multiple MVP and top 3 for a bunch of years.  Not sure how you can call Tiger an Athlete when he's hitting a stationary ball, then taking a leisure walk to hit the ball again.  Sure golf is difficult but it's a game and not a sport.  Tiger would piss in his pants if he had to stand at a plate and watch a pitcher throw a bullet right at him time and time again.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Flexacon on May 29, 2020, 09:47:42 AM
Some say the hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a 100 MPH fastball.  Mike Trout is dominating baseball like no other.  He is just entering his prime and is a multiple MVP and top 3 for a bunch of years.  Not sure how you can call Tiger an Athlete when he's hitting a stationary ball, then taking a leisure walk to hit the ball again.  Sure golf is difficult but it's a game and not a sport.  Tiger would piss in his pants if he had to stand at a plate and watch a pitcher throw a bullet right at him time and time again.

In cricket it's legal and a genuine strategy to aim the ball at a batters body and even their head. Also they wore no helmets for nearly a 100 years.

They even had a series called "bodyline"
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 29, 2020, 10:01:36 AM
Look at guys like Charlie Ward.  Most of you are like who?  He went to Florida State.  Won the Heisman Trophy as best College Football Player , the National Title and the next year went to play NBA basketball instead and was a first round draft pick and I believe he also was a great pitcher and could have played MLB.  Talk about gifted athlete that no one talks about.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 29, 2020, 10:11:49 AM
Look at guys like Charlie Ward.  Most of you are like who?  He went to Florida State.  Won the Heisman Trophy as best College Football Player , the National Title and the next year went to play NBA basketball instead and was a first round draft pick and I believe he also was a great pitcher and could have played MLB.  Talk about gifted athlete that no one talks about.

Danny Ainge was also an All American in baseball, basketball and football in high school, and played for the bluejays in the MLB while in college and before he decided to go in to the NBA.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Notomorrow on May 29, 2020, 10:13:47 AM
Basketball is one of  the lowest level of skill of any major professional sport. It is pure genetics, and while the greatest physical athletes are in the NBA, the skill level is very low compared to tennis. Tennis players routinely return 130mph serves, 40 mph faster than a very fast baseball pitcher, with spin on them and they have to return it with strings on a racket.

I have personally seen black dudes that never practice, have a horrible work ethic and are 6'8 and can dunk from the free throw line and get college scholarships with VERY low skill levels. Shaq sucks at basketball and if he was 6'1 in height would struggle to make a high school team.

90% of NBA players that are 7 feet tall or over could not play basketball at a junior college if they were average human height because their skill level SUCKS.  While there are exceptions like Steph Curry, and even Jordan, Kobe, and mostly shorter players like point guards who have tremendous skill, the skill of basketball vs tennis is not even comparable which is why every top tennis player had to begin serious training hours a day in a private camp by age 14 or its too late. There are 17 year old basketball phenoms that smoke weed all day and don't go to practice but are genetically able to dominate. Call it racist but it's true.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Walter Sobchak on May 29, 2020, 10:14:04 AM
Some say the hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a 100 MPH fastball.  Mike Trout is dominating baseball like no other.  He is just entering his prime and is a multiple MVP and top 3 for a bunch of years.  Not sure how you can call Tiger an Athlete when he's hitting a stationary ball, then taking a leisure walk to hit the ball again.  Sure golf is difficult but it's a game and not a sport.  Tiger would piss in his pants if he had to stand at a plate and watch a pitcher throw a bullet right at him time and time again.

The hardest thing in sports is not hitting a fastball, get real.

You think standing in on a pitched baseball is scarier than racing a Formula 1 car? Or racing a Formula 1 car in the rain?

If you want to just measure on overall physical attributes alone, then the greatest athletes in the world probably play wide receiver or running back in the NFL.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: Army of One on May 29, 2020, 10:17:46 AM


Shaq sucks at basketball and if he was 6'1 in height would struggle to make a high school team.



Complete myth.Thats Jordan guarding him in an all star game pre game shootaround.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/mDIBgaFkwqnYI/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 29, 2020, 10:54:47 AM
Years ago, ESPN assembled a panel of experts to determine which sport demanded the most from the athletes who compete in it. The experts ranked 60 sports on 10 different skills, including endurance, speed, agility, and hand-eye coordination. Their verdict: boxing is the most difficult sport while hockey is a close second.

These are the most difficult sports but what’s the most difficult thing to do in any sport?

Before you reply, I’m referring to something that’s a normal part of the sport. Maybe it only happens infrequently but it can and does happen. An 80-yard field goal in football doesn’t count because it won’t ever get attempted (I know, I know – never say never).  Similarly, a full court basket has happened but you wouldn’t consider it a normal part of basketball.

Popular wisdom seems to claim that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. There’s plenty of science that backs up how difficult it is to see a fastball, react to its trajectory, and make contact – all in less than ½ of a second. Even from a surface area perspective, the baseball only takes up less than 2% of the strike zone. Hitting a baseball is clearly very difficult.

It’s difficult but not impossible. Over the years, the league-wide batting average has generally ranged between .250 and .275. Since batting average doesn’t include walks and hit-by-pitch, it essentially means batters are successful 25% of the time.

I non-scientifically checked the success percentage for several other feats in sports and noticed that stopping a penalty kick might be even harder than hitting a baseball – at least from a percentage standpoint. A study of 138 penalty shots in World Cup Finals games between 1982 and 1994 showed that goalies stopped only 14.5% of the shots. In fact, goalies correctly guessed the direction of the kick only 41% of the time; that’s worse than random. Other studies show the success rate as a little higher (perhaps 18%) but still lower than hitting a baseball.

Does this mean stopping a penalty kick is harder than hitting a baseball? Not conclusively. It’s hard to compare the two events since a hitter comes up to the plate multiple times a game whereas a soccer player might go many months without attempting a penalty shot. Practice might not make perfect but it does improve the odds of success.
Title: Re: Michael Jordan - The G.O.A.T of all sports
Post by: che on May 29, 2020, 11:26:00 AM
Clearly you do.Anyone even slightly well read and educated would know African Americans choosing better paying sports is the main reason for the decline in the heavier weights of American Professional Boxing.Your ignorance doesnt make you right.

Good to know that it is just the heavier weights of American Professional Boxing that declined , it's awesome that  all the other weight classes  are thriving ,I'm glad to hear the American amateur  boxers are still winning Gold medals in the Olympics like in the 70's -80's , thank you Army of One for letting me know that 100's  of non-profit  boxing gym in the inner city are still open and  are immune to gentrification', awesome to know that you can find real boxing  gyms  and real coaches (not  boxercise  trainers ) anywhere in the US...................... ........................ ...etc

BTW kids don't chose sports according to  how much  they will get paid if they make it , that's a stupid  fucking statement .