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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SF1900 on November 22, 2022, 12:58:48 AM
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Someone stabbed 4 students in a house in Idaho. Two other people were in the home but were not attacked and ever stranger, were not awakened by the 4 other people being stabbed. The killer is still at large. I can’t imagine this being anything else but a targeted attack but why these 4 students? Maybe the work of a serial killer.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/university-idaho-students-killed-moscow.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/20/us/university-of-idaho-killings-sunday/index.html
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Seems like he(?) had to know the victims.
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Whole story is odd. You've got the two alive roommates. Lots of other people that knew the ins-and-outs of the house, people that were let in to see the bodies / help them before the police were called, etc..... Lots of folks gone on Thanksgiving break or out of fear. There was a skinned dog found in the area that may or may not be related - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=497qMbY1DVI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=497qMbY1DVI).
Also the area hasn't had a murder in almost 7 years, one has to wonder if big city cops would've done a better job.
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I just assume it’s one or both of the other two roommates. Case closed. Very tragic though, I couldn’t imagine dying like that. Humans can be fucked up creatures.
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I just assume it’s one or both of the other two roommates. Case closed. Very tragic though, I couldn’t imagine dying like that. Humans can be fucked up creatures.
Canadians prefer being stabbed than shot.
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This story has me really intrigued. I rarely follow the news but I am somewhat “obsessed” about how this story will pan out. Something does not add up.
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Possibly a pissed off neighbor who had enough of their late-night parties.
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I just assume it’s one or both of the other two roommates. Case closed. Very tragic though, I couldn’t imagine dying like that. Humans can be fucked up creatures.
No doubt. There are people on this earth who should be put to death immediately like a rabid dog.
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house full of people and nobody heard any blood curdling screams from victims being sliced and diced repeatedly?
yeah ok....
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Whole story is odd. You've got the two alive roommates. Lots of other people that knew the ins-and-outs of the house, people that were let in to see the bodies / help them before the police were called, etc..... Lots of folks gone on Thanksgiving break or out of fear. There was a skinned dog found in the area that may or may not be related - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=497qMbY1DVI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=497qMbY1DVI).
Also the area hasn't had a murder in almost 7 years, one has to wonder if big city cops would've done a better job.
Maybe it's the Sheriff's kid.
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house full of people and nobody heard any blood curdling screams from victims being sliced and diced repeatedly?
yeah ok....
Exactly. The roommates slept through the whole thing. Apparently, the explanation was because they were on separate floors. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
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Maybe it's the Sheriff's kid.
bingo... exactly... its 100000% someone well known connected to someone prominent they are keeping hush hush
literally THE only reason nobody knows nothing
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STAB LIST OF PEACE
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They must know who did this.
Law enforcement not looking too sharp in Idaho. Remind me to commit all my crimes in the potato state.
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They must know who did this.
Law enforcement not looking too sharp in Idaho. Remind me to commit all my crimes in the potato state.
Really, what did anyone expect from Idaho cops.
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They must know who did this.
Law enforcement not looking too sharp in Idaho. Remind me to commit all my crimes in the potato state.
Potato Headed Pigs Of Peace
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Maybe it's the Sheriff's kid.
I wonder if it's one of the roommate's boyfriend's or something. I just can't see leaving them alive. They're saying it's a big house, 6 bedrooms, but it's still 4 people.
It's going to be interesting if/when they release the room diagrams and autopsy reports on how they think this was done.
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I wonder if it's one of the roommate's boyfriend's or something. I just can't see leaving them alive. They're saying it's a big house, 6 bedrooms, but it's still 4 people.
It's going to be interesting if/when they release the room diagrams and autopsy reports on how they think this was done.
It makes no sense that the two other roommates were left alive.
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Really, what did anyone expect from Idaho cops.
That's Bullshit. It can happen anywhere.
Its not a t.v. show.
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That's Bullshit. It can happen anywhere.
Its not a t.v. show.
It could, just saying I know what cops are like in rural areas.
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Imagine sneaking into the house of four young people with their whole lives ahead of them in order to ruthlessly murder them in the most savage way while they slept. I mean, this guy is a real jerk!
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I mean, this guy is a real jerk!
You know... the more I hear about this - the less I like this perpetrator.
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What's the betting whoever did it is Queer & Non Binary ??
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Canadians prefer being stabbed than shot.
;D ;D ;D
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11461727/Retracing-murderers-steps-Blueprints-Idaho-student-stabbed-death.html
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3 floors, 2 bedrooms per floor.
Two people on the first floor were not killed.
Which means he purposely bypassed the first floor and went to the 2nd and 3rd floor to kill the other 4.
Hmmmmm.
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3 floors, 2 bedrooms per floor.
Two people on the first floor were not killed.
Which means he purposely bypassed the first floor and went to the 2nd and 3rd floor to kill the other 4.
Hmmmmm.
Most likely he came in on the 2nd floor sliding doors and never went to the first floor
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Most likely he came in on the 2nd floor sliding doors and never went to the first floor
Great detective work, CT muscle.
I guess he climbed to the second floor.
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Were the kids all in separate rooms? Or were they couples? I imagine if alone, slicing a throat could be done quietly.
But killing with another person in the room, you would think it would alert some others. Unless all passed out drunk/drugged?
I hope they catch this retard and someone "Dahmers" him in prison...
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Great detective work, CT muscle.
I guess he climbed to the second floor.
Maybe the first floor was a basement level? Post some pics of the house.
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Maybe the first floor was a basement level? Post some pics of the house.
Floor plan is in the link i posted
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Yeah, it's frightening how feral some humans can get. To meander through an apartment, repeatedly stabbing, people to death.
Pure evil.
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The basement is considered the first floor and not the basement?
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Were the kids all in separate rooms? Or were they couples? I imagine if alone, slicing a throat could be done quietly.
But killing with another person in the room, you would think it would alert some others. Unless all passed out drunk/drugged?
I hope they catch this retard and someone "Dahmers" him in prison...
I believe two people per room.
If he killed one, why didn’t the other in the room wake up? I guess if you slit someone’s throat it’s almost an instant death.
Just seems odd.
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Maybe the first floor was a basement level? Post some pics of the house.
I don’t know if there’s a basement.
Excellent point, detective cone head.
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The basement had the gym and cardio equipment most likely. Keeping this thread “bodybuilding related.”
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So still nothing about a suspect?
Early on they said there's no threat to the community and by the 2nd day I thought they said there was a person of interest who they were looking for but his whereabouts were unknown?
There's a piece of the puzzle that hasn't been made public yet.... something is not adding up. I'm guessing the lead detectives know a lot more than what they've shared with the media. With 4 murders of that manner, having traveled through multiple floors and multiple rooms, tgere has to be boatloads of trace evidence, dna, forensics, one of the nearby structures had to have a security/surveillance camera plus the social media of everyone in the house has to have produced some kind of clue by this point.
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So still nothing about a suspect?
Early on they said there's no threat to the community and by the 2nd day I thought they said there was a person of interest who they were looking for but his whereabouts were unknown?
There's a piece of the puzzle that hasn't been made public yet.... something is not adding up. I'm guessing the lead detectives know a lot more than what they've shared with the media. With 4 murders of that manner, having traveled through multiple floors and multiple rooms, tgere has to be boatloads of trace evidence, dna, forensics, one of the nearby structures had to have a security/surveillance camera plus the social media of everyone in the house has to have produced some kind of clue by this point.
I think this was someone known to the victims - connected to them around the same age bracket. A knife was used rather than a gun - so hardly a professional criminal that's equipped with firepower. Yes - you're right I think DNA, fibres etc would definitely have been left on the scene and probably the killer's blood due to the grip/handle slippage when doing the dirty deed. There must be a good reason why they're not releasing more information at this time.
Look at the Delphi murders case, though - 5 years later and they've finally arrested someone and they've always held back a lot of info on that case apart from a 4 second clip of the guy following those poor girls on the railroad tracks.
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The basement had the gym and cardio equipment most likely. Keeping this thread “bodybuilding related.”
He did chest and tris before going on his killing spree. Fucking missed PR on tricep pushdowns caused all of this.
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Still no leads.
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Floor plan is in the link i posted
I see. Exactly what I figured, never made it to the first floor. Still no idea how someone could stab 4 people to death and nobody woke up enough to stop him.
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I see. Exactly what I figured, never made it to the first floor. Still no idea how someone could stab 4 people to death and nobody woke up enough to stop him.
They were all probably passed out from drinking all night. I believe they were all killed in their beds. Stab in the heart while unconscious, you aint doing much
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Someone mention on another board that the roommates in their rooms were asleep / passed out, and that they claimed the doors to those bedrooms lock shut. Still odd, but maybe.
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Killer probably locked the doors after he left to buy himself more time
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"This is an adrenaline filled incident" - "to do this 4 times...." Most killers wouldn't stay calm after the first one. He thinks this is a serial killer due to the level of carnage in one go or an escalation where ppl who know this guy would have noticed previous violence/strangeness.
I hope they catch this piece of shit very soon. Thank God for genealogy type DNA coming in over the last few years even if this piece of shit isn't in the system hopefully a relative is.
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Imagine sneaking into the house of four young people with their whole lives ahead of them in order to ruthlessly murder them in the most savage way while they slept. I mean, this guy is a real jerk!
He might just be misunderstood. Let’s give him a chance.
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He might just be misunderstood. Let’s give him a chance.
I agree Rob,it doesn`t make him a bad person.
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Imagine sneaking into the house of four young people with their whole lives ahead of them in order to ruthlessly murder them in the most savage way while they slept. I mean, this guy is a real jerk!
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I agree Rob,it doesn`t make him a bad person.
Haha everyone has bad days.
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Haha everyone has bad days.
Yeah,and maybe the poor guy was just a bit depressed......you can`t always be upbeat every day!
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Maybe they all called him "bad words" and he was just acting out??
Words are very hurtful... (As BLM and others tell us)??
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Maybe they all called him "bad words" and he was just acting out??
Words are very hurtful... (As BLM and others tell us)??
Yep , Maybe he had Rusty Fenders on his bike !!
Or some stole his Blue T shirt & Crusher 😱
Still he can always go sell DVD's....................... ........................ .......... DVD's
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Still no suspect(s).
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Still no suspect(s).
The whole thing is fucking bizarre.
It very likely could be one of the other people in the house. Investigators know it but cant prove it?
They may have scoured the surrou ding area for surveillance cameras, security cameras, traffic cameras, doorbell cameras etc and have no one coming or going from / to the house during that time frame?
But the other occupants just aren't giving anything up. No incriminating statements. Just sticking with 'I was asleep'
Really odd.
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The whole thing is fucking bizarre.
It very likely could be one of the other people in the house. Investigators know it but cant prove it?
They may have scoured the surrou ding area for surveillance cameras, security cameras, traffic cameras, doorbell cameras etc and have no one coming or going from / to the house during that time frame?
But the other occupants just aren't giving anything up. No incriminating statements. Just sticking with 'I was asleep'
Really odd.
The two other people in the house were women so I doubt it was them. Maybe someone they knew.
As for cameras, it’s a very small town so it’s plausible to assume that there may not be many surveillance cameras set up.
As for hearing anything, they interviewed previous owners who said that the house is built in a certain way that you really can’t hear what happens from floor to floor.
I agree, this case is very bizarre. I think the cops are stumped.
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Getbiggers would have taken this person or persons out
Bhanky would have taken them out with his barehands after a set of barbell squats, unless his knees were real sore after 315 pounds
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The whole thing is fucking bizarre.
It very likely could be one of the other people in the house. Investigators know it but cant prove it?
They may have scoured the surrou ding area for surveillance cameras, security cameras, traffic cameras, doorbell cameras etc and have no one coming or going from / to the house during that time frame?
But the other occupants just aren't giving anything up. No incriminating statements. Just sticking with 'I was asleep'
Really odd.
Any suspects ?
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I swear it must be someone like some famous person's, top police's kid, illegal, foreign diplomat's kid..
10000% obviously covering for someone
there is ZERO other excuse to not immediately have someone in custody by now and letting it fall off the news
way too may holes in this whole thing
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I swear it must be someone like some famous person's, top police's kid, illegal, foreign diplomat's kid..
10000% obviously covering for someone
there is ZERO other excuse to not immediately have someone in custody by now and letting it fall off the news
way too may holes in this whole thing
Sounds plausible
You could be onto something
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I swear it must be someone like some famous person's, top police's kid, illegal, foreign diplomat's kid..
10000% obviously covering for someone
there is ZERO other excuse to not immediately have someone in custody by now and letting it fall off the news
way too may holes in this whole thing
Not necessarily. Per a news story, “Nearly half of U.S. murders go unsolved as cases rise.”
I’d bet there are more unsolved murders than solved. Perhaps this is no different. Who knows.
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Not necessarily. Per a news story, “Nearly half of U.S. murders go unsolved as cases rise.”
I’d bet there are more unsolved murders than solved. Perhaps this is no different. Who knows.
This is a result of people relying on the Govt. in times of need, that type of thinking is pure stupidity.
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Wasn't it Ronald Reagan that said the scariest words an American can hear is "We're from the government and we're here to help" :D
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Any suspects ?
I suspect everyone and assume nothing!
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Not necessarily. Per a news story, “Nearly half of U.S. murders go unsolved as cases rise.”
I’d bet there are more unsolved murders than solved. Perhaps this is no different. Who knows.
They could also be withholding information so that they can tell if new leads are credible. There was a case in Ohio a few years ago where a whole family was wiped out in a rural area. A year or more went by before they made the arrest. They withheld information from the public because so many people were calling in with info that was just speculation. Once a real good lead came in they knew because the informant had knowledge that no one else would know.
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I suspect everyone and assume nothing!
Ha , Correct- good answer
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5+ weeks later and still no suspect(s).
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Forgot about this story.
Saw something online that the deceased were a part of a cult. Kind of indicating it may have been murder/suicide.
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Forgot about this story.
Saw something online that the deceased were a part of a cult. Kind of indicating it may have been murder/suicide.
Beak, I have been following this story daily and saw nothing about that. Do you remember where you read it?
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Beak, I have been following this story daily and saw nothing about that. Do you remember where you read it?
The one with the huge new boob job (Goncalves?) and her lesbian roommate girlfriend were on OnlyFans and also into lesbian threesomes with other naive Mormon girls on campus
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The one with the huge new boob job (Goncalves?) and her lesbian roommate girlfriend were on OnlyFans and also into lesbian threesomes with other naive Mormon girls on campus
What? This sounds like a conspiracy theory. Was it ever confirmed?
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Forgot about this story.
Saw something online that the deceased were a part of a cult. Kind of indicating it may have been murder/suicide.
Yes I’m sure they each stabbed themselves 30 times in the face and chest as part of their suicide pact.
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Yes I’m sure they each stabbed themselves 30 times in the face and chest as part of their suicide pact.
I think people just don’t like the unknown—the fact that there is still a killer on the loose and may never be found is very unsettling for people, so it’s easier to make up stories.
I think, the fact is, the killer is out there and they just have zero suspects or good leads.
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The one with the huge new boob job (Goncalves?) and her lesbian roommate girlfriend were on OnlyFans and also into lesbian threesomes with other naive Mormon girls on campus
Huge Boobs you say !! What, Ive not seen them.
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What? This sounds like a conspiracy theory. Was it ever confirmed?
It’s out there, the keystone cops are trying to keep it under wraps but the boob job kid’s dad won’t shut up. Even the bar video shows them trying to take the female bartender home with them.
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Beak, I have been following this story daily and saw nothing about that. Do you remember where you read it?
Don't remember. I'll look back through my history and see if I can come up with it. I remember the story was accompanied by a photo of the victims all hanging out together having the time of their lives. Good looking girls all laughing etc...
It may have been "the daily mail" or tye back page of the post. One of the more tabloid- like outlets. This going to be like Jon Benet Ramsey. It will pop up for years in tabloids. There was another story about animals being skinned alive and other story about the suspect being an 'incel'
There's alot of bullshit floating around about it.
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Yes I’m sure they each stabbed themselves 30 times in the face and chest as part of their suicide pact.
Is that the case? I know they were stabbed to death but was each victim stabbed 30 times and in the face?
In the early days of the internet it was only a matter of time before crime scene photos were leaked. That doesn't seem to happen as much anymore.
Still don't know why the police would say tgeres no threat to the public. That doesn't make any sense.
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It’s out there, the keystone cops are trying to keep it under wraps but the boob job kid’s dad won’t shut up. Even the bar video shows them trying to take the female bartender home with them.
Goncalves recently broke up with her boyfriend.
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Is that the case? I know they were stabbed to death but was each victim stabbed 30 times and in the face?
In the early days of the internet it was only a matter of time before crime scene photos were leaked. That doesn't seem to happen as much anymore.
Still don't know why the police would say tgeres no threat to the public. That doesn't make any sense.
Still don't know why the police would say tgeres no threat to the public. That doesn't make any sense.
Probably because its one of their own cops !!
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Is that the case? I know they were stabbed to death but was each victim stabbed 30 times and in the face?
In the early days of the internet it was only a matter of time before crime scene photos were leaked. That doesn't seem to happen as much anymore.
Still don't know why the police would say tgeres no threat to the public. That doesn't make any sense.
This is all I could find:
“A coroner determined the four victims were each stabbed multiple times and were likely asleep when the attacks began.”
Multiple can mean anything.
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Still don't know why the police would say tgeres no threat to the public. That doesn't make any sense.
Probably because its one of their own cops !!
Or government officials
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Remind me to only rob banks and kill people in Idaho. WTF! Who’s in charge of the investigation- Stevie Wonder?
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Remind me to only rob banks and kill people in Idaho. WTF! Who’s in charge of the investigation- Stevie Wonder?
Remember, small towns are not equipped to deal with this level of criminality. They were probably all shitting their pants.
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Remember, small towns are not equipped to deal with this level of criminality. They were probably all shitting their pants.
Don’t say that about Ray Charles. He knows what he’s doing.
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Remind me to only rob banks and kill people in Idaho. WTF! Who’s in charge of the investigation- Stevie Wonder?
Again?
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I sure hope they find those black guys who did it...Tony Soprano
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I sure hope they find those black guys who did it...Tony Soprano
They would be the only black guys in the state. I'm sure they've already been investigated.
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I don’t think it’s someone in the town or someone they knew
I have a feeling it’s the work of a random killer. Then again, to do the murder so perfectly, one would have to think it’s someone they knew.
Strange case.
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I don’t think it’s someone in the town or someone they knew
I have a feeling it’s the work of a random killer. Then again, to do the murder so perfectly, one would have to think it’s someone they knew.
Strange case.
That level of overkill/frenzy usually implies somebody known to the victim(s). There's exceptions like nutjobs/mental cases that keep stabbing in rage but there's something off about this. If it was a random nutjob then surely this weirdo would have carried on their spree since then? God/Devil voices don't usually just disappear now you've massacred 4 people.
It's frenzied, yet controlled. Messy yet clearly not enough evidence/DNA/fibres that we know about (unless like someone mentioned the cops are keeping cards close to their chest) Just would have thought by now there'd be some progress told to the media.
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That level of overkill/frenzy usually implies somebody known to the victim(s). There's exceptions like nutjobs/mental cases that keep stabbing in rage but there's something off about this. If it was a random nutjob then surely this weirdo would have carried on their spree since then? God/Devil voices don't usually just disappear now you've massacred 4 people.
It's frenzied, yet controlled. Messy yet clearly not enough evidence/DNA/fibres that we know about (unless like someone mentioned the cops are keeping cards close to their chest) Just would have thought by now there'd be some progress told to the media.
I agree with your point that the stabbings were too vicious to appear random--they had personal written all over it.
Don't confuse "random nut job" with necessarily being a serial killer. Most serial killers are smart and methodical. They plan their killings in a very specific way. I used to do A LOT of reading on serial killers in my teenage years. With regard to your statement, "this weirdo would have carried on their spree since then?." This is not necessarily true. It's only been 5 weeks--some of Ted Bundy's victims were a few months apart. Many serial killers have periods, such as weeks, sometimes even months, where they don't kill anyone (it is hypothesized that the Zodiac Killer didn't kill for years before making a comeback). Interviews with serial killers often reveal that they kill to satisfy some drive, then it goes away for X amount of time, then resurfaces--they can only suppress it for so long. Yes, you're right, "God/Devil voices don't usually just disappear now you've massacred 4 people." However, many known serial killers are known to carry on with their daily lives without killing until the voices (or whatever) become too overwhelming. The voices don't necessarily disappear, but the voices can wax and wane depending on a lot of variables. Sometimes the voices can be stronger or lesser at certain times and more easily manageable.
Like you, I would have also thought there would have been more progress. But remember, half of all murders in the United States today go unsolved. This one could be no different.
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That level of overkill/frenzy usually implies somebody known to the victim(s). There's exceptions like nutjobs/mental cases that keep stabbing in rage but there's something off about this. If it was a random nutjob then surely this weirdo would have carried on their spree since then? God/Devil voices don't usually just disappear now you've massacred 4 people.
It's frenzied, yet controlled. Messy yet clearly not enough evidence/DNA/fibres that we know about (unless like someone mentioned the cops are keeping cards close to their chest) Just would have thought by now there'd be some progress told to the media.
Where was Brandon on that night ?
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I agree with your point that the stabbings were too vicious to appear random--they had personal written all over it.
Don't confuse "random nut job" with necessarily being a serial killer. Most serial killers are smart and methodical. They plan their killings in a very specific way. I used to do A LOT of reading on serial killers in my teenage years. With regard to your statement, "this weirdo would have carried on their spree since then?." This is not necessarily true. It's only been 5 weeks--some of Ted Bundy's victims were a few months apart. Many serial killers have periods, such as weeks, sometimes even months, where they don't kill anyone (it is hypothesized that the Zodiac Killer didn't kill for years before making a comeback). Interviews with serial killers often reveal that they kill to satisfy some drive, then it goes away for X amount of time, then resurfaces--they can only suppress it for so long. Yes, you're right, "God/Devil voices don't usually just disappear now you've massacred 4 people." However, many known serial killers are known to carry on with their daily lives without killing until the voices (or whatever) become too overwhelming. The voices don't necessarily disappear, but the voices can wax and wane depending on a lot of variables. Sometimes the voices can be stronger or lesser at certain times and more easily manageable.
Like you, I would have also thought there would have been more progress. But remember, half of all murders in the United States today go unsolved. This one could be no different.
Some good points there. I didn't really approach it from that perspective of a 'standard' serial killer because there was no difference between the assaults. BTK would quickly kill those he didn't want (like that family where he was really after the little girl and did his weirdo hanging job with her but killed the others quickly) whereas this sicko killed all 4 students/roommates with the same method and same level of overkill. Richard Ramirez was the same - as was Joseph Deangelo - kill off the men quickly and have his sick fun with the women. Whatever this is - it's not the usual serial killer type. All 4 killed with the same method in the same rage. There's something very different about this dirty bastard of a scumbag.
I think you're right about the 'cool off' periods. To me - this is more of a spree killer freak which is why I'm surprised there's been nothing else which brings me back to the original assumption that it's either that OR someone that was known to at least one of the victims.
I'd expect a methodical serial killer to be into something a little more practiced such as bondage/cable ties/prolonged sadism such as strangulation and release but this is just some crazy overkill thing. I'd understand if the 3 other victims were quickly stabbed up and he focused on the last victim with some kind of sexual/sadistic type prolonged shit but this is just like a conveyor belt of stabby stabby next stabby stabby next. As if he hasn't taken the time to 'enjoy' his work.
Fucking shame they haven't caught the fuckhead yet. There's got to be DNA just got to be something.
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Don't confuse "random nut job" with necessarily being a serial killer. Most serial killers are smart and methodical. They plan their killings in a very specific way. I used to do A LOT of reading on serial killers in my teenage years. With regard to your statement, "this weirdo would have carried on their spree since then?." This is not necessarily true. It's only been 5 weeks--some of Ted Bundy's victims were a few months apart. Many serial killers have periods, such as weeks, sometimes even months, where they don't kill anyone (it is hypothesized that the Zodiac Killer didn't kill for years before making a comeback). Interviews with serial killers often reveal that they kill to satisfy some drive, then it goes away for X amount of time, then resurfaces--they can only suppress it for so long. Yes, you're right, "God/Devil voices don't usually just disappear now you've massacred 4 people." However, many known serial killers are known to carry on with their daily lives without killing until the voices (or whatever) become too overwhelming. The voices don't necessarily disappear, but the voices can wax and wane depending on a lot of variables. Sometimes the voices can be stronger or lesser at certain times and more easily manageable.
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Some good points there. I didn't really approach it from that perspective of a 'standard' serial killer because there was no difference between the assaults. BTK would quickly kill those he didn't want (like that family where he was really after the little girl and did his weirdo hanging job with her but killed the others quickly) whereas this sicko killed all 4 students/roommates with the same method and same level of overkill. Richard Ramirez was the same - as was Joseph Deangelo - kill off the men quickly and have his sick fun with the women. Whatever this is - it's not the usual serial killer type. All 4 killed with the same method in the same rage. There's something very different about this dirty bastard of a scumbag.
I think you're right about the 'cool off' periods. To me - this is more of a spree killer freak which is why I'm surprised there's been nothing else which brings me back to the original assumption that it's either that OR someone that was known to at least one of the victims.
I'd expect a methodical serial killer to be into something a little more practiced such as bondage/cable ties/prolonged sadism such as strangulation and release but this is just some crazy overkill thing. I'd understand if the 3 other victims were quickly stabbed up and he focused on the last victim with some kind of sexual/sadistic type prolonged shit but this is just like a conveyor belt of stabby stabby next stabby stabby next. As if he hasn't taken the time to 'enjoy' his work.
Fucking shame they haven't caught the fuckhead yet. There's got to be DNA just got to be something.
Thanks for the comment and feedback.
I agree, this does not seem like the typical serial killer--as you say, seems more like a potential spree killer. I didn't think of that. I would imagine if this was a typical serial killer, as noted by you, there would have been a difference between the killings or possibly a sexual assault involved. But, given that all 4 were killed in the same exact way and no sexual assaults, it has the feel of a spree killer. On the other hand, maybe it is a serial killer, who just went in, did the job and left--kind of broke rank and didn't follow his usual trends/killing routine--but that's likely a stretch since serial killers tend to be pretty obsessive about their routines. To be honest, I have no idea.
Usually serial killers are much harder to catch than spree killers, since spree killers are just so haphazard and unrestrained. You would think if this was a spree killer, he would have left something behind, some sort of evidence. This person REALLY covered their tracks. If this was solely the work of a spree killer, it definitely leaves a lot of questions open. Biggest question is "Why them four?"
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Was this from the show MindHunter on Netflix?
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Thanks for the comment and feedback.
I agree, this does not seem like the typical serial killer--as you say, seems more like a potential spree killer. I didn't think of that. I would imagine if this was a typical serial killer, as noted by you, there would have been a difference between the killings or possibly a sexual assault involved. But, given that all 4 were killed in the same exact way and no sexual assaults, it has the feel of a spree killer. On the other hand, maybe it is a serial killer, who just went in, did the job and left--kind of broke rank and didn't follow his usual trends/killing routine--but that's likely a stretch since serial killers tend to be pretty obsessive about their routines. To be honest, I have no idea.
Usually serial killers are much harder to catch than spree killers, since spree killers are just so haphazard and unrestrained. You would think if this was a spree killer, he would have left something behind, some sort of evidence. This person REALLY covered their tracks. If this was solely the work of a spree killer, it definitely leaves a lot of questions open. Biggest question is "Why them four?"
Exactly. Someone that felt comfortable going into that property. Almost as if they knew the layout and had researched it as the police believe the guy entered not on the ground floor - whatever that means. Not sure as to the history of the property whether it's one of those student type houses or the landlord has been renting to student types for a long time. Maybe a previous resident?
If this is just a thrill kill situation why use a knife instead of a gun? However they prevented trace ev/transfer they've got some balls to do this with a knife and risk that much. Probably wore some forensic suit, mask and had a full body shave beforehand. It's just crazy.
There's murders you hear about that make you wonder. Reminds me of the Keddie Cabin murders.
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Was this from the show MindHunter on Netflix?
yup, great show.. I think they cancelled it...
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Exactly. Someone that felt comfortable going into that property. Almost as if they knew the layout and had researched it as the police believe the guy entered not on the ground floor - whatever that means. Not sure as to the history of the property whether it's one of those student type houses or the landlord has been renting to student types for a long time. Maybe a previous resident?
If this is just a thrill kill situation why use a knife instead of a gun? However they prevented trace ev/transfer they've got some balls to do this with a knife and risk that much. Probably wore some forensic suit, mask and had a full body shave beforehand. It's just crazy.
There's murders you hear about that make you wonder. Reminds me of the Keddie Cabin murders.
I have been following the story every day. I am really intrigued by it.
It seems to be a student rented house for college students. So, according to many others, the house was a party house. It was rented to college students over the years. In fact, people would party in the home even when the renters were not there (current renters)--I guess tons of people would just come and go as they please, partying in the home, whether or not the renters were there. Which would lend to the idea that the killer knew the lay out of the home if he partied in it.
Also, they just interviewed a previous resident who said the house is very old and creaky and squeaky and you could hear anyone walking at night. The question then became, why didn't the two other students who lived in the home and survive hear anything? A logical explanation could be that they were passed out drunk or high.
I heard of the Keddie Cabin murders. Crazy how it's still unsolved, but so many cases go unsolved.
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yup, great show.. I think they cancelled it...
I think so too. Sucks. Was a great show.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674474.0;attach=1415541;image)
This what I imagine the Idaho stabber looks like.
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lol ;D
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Brutal, if true.
I could actually imagine that guy being a serial killer. That skateboard rant did it, for me.
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I have been following the story every day. I am really intrigued by it.
It seems to be a student rented house for college students. So, according to many others, the house was a party house. It was rented to college students over the years. In fact, people would party in the home even when the renters were not there (current renters)--I guess tons of people would just come and go as they please, partying in the home, whether or not the renters were there. Which would lend to the idea that the killer knew the lay out of the home if he partied in it.
Also, they just interviewed a previous resident who said the house is very old and creaky and squeaky and you could hear anyone walking at night. The question then became, why didn't the two other students who lived in the home and survive hear anything? A logical explanation could be that they were passed out drunk or high.
I heard of the Keddie Cabin murders. Crazy how it's still unsolved, but so many cases go unsolved.
Well - I'm glad you said that and are up to date with the case. You know a lot more than I do but just goes to show: that house has had years of party type students in and out whom are familiar with the property. Like you said: parties constantly. Which brings us back to DNA/hair/fingerprint evidence: there's bound to be dozens upon dozens of samples collected. No wonder they're going slow through this. Don't forget that students aren't exactly known for being the cleanest types of people in terms of hygiene and maintenance. If it's anything like student digs I've partied in my life growing up: the landlords don't give a toss after previous tenants go in terms of repainting. The most they'll do is replace broken furniture/glass knowing full well the house is going to get trashed again. Could be fingerprints on the walls/windows that have been there for years. Could be talking 100's of different samples? ? ? ?
My next question is based on what you said about the floorboards being squeaky. I'm in the UK so am used to this as our houses are quite shoddily built. :) Thing is: when I'm used to knowing which floorboards/areas of the floor are less 'noisy' than the others - I kind of know where to step and can make up up stairs/rooms/areas of my house without making noise whereas someone who doesn't know which bits to step on would make a lot more noise - if that makes sense?
Yeah it was probably noisy but what if this guy was so familiar with the property - maybe there's bits he could avoid being heard of? Maybe that's why the entrance the police said was on the 2nd floor not the ground? Or whatever - if that's true. But like I said maybe the killer knew EXACTLY where to step and how to position around the place to avoid the noisy boards?
So - that brings us back to maybe it's true and he didn't know these victims but he certainly knew the property VERY WELL - so it could be someone outside the circle of that group and possibly a previous student maybe 5-10 years older now and beginning his life as a killer? OR it could be someone they knew who has partied there a lot with them and knew the house - but that group *SHOULD* have been questioned/requestioned/questioned again by now and no arrest so maybe it's a shitbag from the group that USED to live there/party there years ago and the police are still casting that net in order to question those groups?
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When the sun's down, and the moon is bright, the Hankins comes a-lurking.........
(https://i.postimg.cc/rpW56Fqx/Untitled.png).
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When the sun's down, and the moon is bright, the Hankins comes a-lurking.........
(https://i.postimg.cc/rpW56Fqx/Untitled.png).
"Try getting a reservation to 212 Olympia with 8 pints of blood loss now, you stupid bastard."
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Still no killer?
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Still no killer?
Crickets.....
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Haven't followed this case, just reading the thread now . The two survivors aspect seems relatively explainable without too much intrigue based on the floor plan, being passed out etc: the sort of angle that is interesting to speculate on and may never be fully explained but the answer is ultimately kind of mundane such as luck and/or opportunism in the moment
Has a bit of a Chi Omega vibe to it, am leaning serial killer type
Will be interesting how things unfold
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-suspect-custody-killings-4-university-students-law-enforcement-source-says?intcmp=tw_fnc .
Suspect caught on the east coast, story developing.
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Thanks, BB!
Great news!
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With no description of the murder suspect, I’m pretty sure we have a perfect description of the murder suspect.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-suspect-custody-killings-4-university-students-law-enforcement-source-says?intcmp=tw_fnc .
Suspect caught on the east coast, story developing.
Thanks for the update, BB. Great news.
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With no description of the murder suspect, I’m pretty sure we have a perfect description of the murder suspect.
wooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
(https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/bryan-kohberger.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780)
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Was this from the show MindHunter on Netflix?
Yes. I thought it was a good series.
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Criminology student -
(https://miro.medium.com/max/828/1*qWoXo_pC0saALKtH8q7sZw.webp).
Desales is a Catholic uni in PA, interesting how he got all the way to Idaho -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSales_University .
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PhD criminology student
https://apnews.com/article/university-of-idaho-students-killings-arrest-b3b1ffd8138827f0bdad16d20e17cf83
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wooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
(https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/bryan-kohberger.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780)
;D Damn it all!
I just lost a $20 bet. Damn it all!
Edit: dude could be Dan Duchaine’s twin brother.
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Kohberger, an Albrightsville, Pennsylvania native, is a graduate student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, not far from Moscow -
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/12/30/17/66053369-11585985-Bryan_Christopher_Kohberger_28_was_arrested_after_a_SWAT_team_sw-m-80_1672420226149.jpg).
Kinda looks like Matt in that one.
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EVIL BASTARD! Makes you wonder how long this fuckhead has been a scumbag and to then intentionally go into criminology. Just like that crossbow cannibal in the UK Stephen Griffiths was doing a doctorate in criminology. Obsessed with depraved animals.
Bet he thought he could get away with his 'superior' intellect and narcy delusions of grandeur. Hope he's repeatedly raped in his cell by Tyrone's 12 inch dong.
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Crazy.
What was the motive? Just to see if he could get away with it?
Who is still a student at 28?
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Criminology student -
(https://miro.medium.com/max/828/1*qWoXo_pC0saALKtH8q7sZw.webp).
Desales is a Catholic uni in PA, interesting how he got all the way to Idaho -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSales_University .
He’s a student at WSU.
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Crazy.
What was the motive? Just to see if he could get away with it?
Who is still a student at 28?
He was a PhD student. Not typical to be a PhD student at 28 years old. About 50% of phd students are between 26-30, many being older.
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He’s a student at WSU.
Yeah, originally it was just Desalle, then it went WSU, then to Desalle, now they've got it sorted. Makes sense, WSU is only 10 miles away, and they go back and forth between schools partying.
The rumor is his car caught him. Someone noticed his model of white car in the area, then a gas station clerk noticed it behaving oddly leaving the area.
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Yeah, originally it was just Desalle, then it went WSU, then to Desalle, now they've got it sorted. Makes sense, WSU is only 10 miles away, and they go back and forth between schools partying.
The rumor is his car caught him. Someone noticed his model of white car in the area, then a gas station clerk noticed it behaving oddly leaving the area.
Yup, those were in the original videos but there are 22,000 similar cars in a certain radius. I’m wondering what led LE to him specifically.
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Being an older student - I wonder what his connection to that property is? Had he lived there before or was he recently at a party with these younger students? All very intriguing how he knew the place/area that well.
What a great ending to the year, folks. Well, all things considered. At least something for the families to know that this piece of shit can't do this again.
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Being an older student - I wonder what his connection to that property is? Had he lived there before or was he recently at a party with these younger students? All very intriguing how he knew the place/area that well.
What a great ending to the year, folks. Well, all things considered. At least something for the families to know that this piece of shit can't do this again.
I’m very curious what the connection is. Knows them from a party, bar or club, maybe. I don’t think it was random. I’m not saying he was best friends with them but I think it’s likely that he noticed them somewhere.
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Criminology student -
(https://miro.medium.com/max/828/1*qWoXo_pC0saALKtH8q7sZw.webp).
It was part of his research on feeling after committing a crime
Man's a Nut job.
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Kohberger, an Albrightsville, Pennsylvania native, is a graduate student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, not far from Moscow -
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/12/30/17/66053369-11585985-Bryan_Christopher_Kohberger_28_was_arrested_after_a_SWAT_team_sw-m-80_1672420226149.jpg).
Kinda looks like Matt in that one.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxRUzJlJxhsu2ahDmh2yYpM3W2KHuPVSCdZQ&usqp=CAU)
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;D Damn it all!
I just lost a $20 bet. Damn it all!
Edit: dude could be Dan Duchaine’s twin brother.
Holy shitballs (easy there Prime I don’t mean literally) - Tommy I was looking at that pic earlier and knew he looked like someone, but couldn’t place him. Dude looks like young Duchaine’s doppelgäguy for sure!
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(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxRUzJlJxhsu2ahDmh2yYpM3W2KHuPVSCdZQ&usqp=CAU)
Similar vibes
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;D Damn it all!
I just lost a $20 bet. Damn it all!
Edit: dude could be Dan Duchaine’s twin brother.
Who did you think it was?
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(https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/bryan-kohberger.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780)
Awesome punchable face on this fucking looney!
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Who did you think it was?
An undocumented illegal immigrant.
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I told you hanky didn’t do it
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Kohberger, an Albrightsville, Pennsylvania native, is a graduate student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, not far from Moscow -
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/12/30/17/66053369-11585985-Bryan_Christopher_Kohberger_28_was_arrested_after_a_SWAT_team_sw-m-80_1672420226149.jpg).
Kinda looks like Matt in that one.
Wes Bentley's next role.
(https://superstarsbio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/wes-bentley-height.jpeg)
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Guy was picked on his whole life and now is prob insane. Looks it anyways. We should wait for pamith to confirm if he is a psychopath.
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Guy was picked on his whole life and now is prob insane. Looks it anyways. We should wait for pamith to confirm if he is a psychopath.
Pamith identified you as a psychopath 😳😳
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Wes Bentley's next role.
(https://superstarsbio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/wes-bentley-height.jpeg)
Wes Bentley? The AG of Montana!?
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Guy is a patsy, he'll be cleared soon enough when the real killer is caught.
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Guy was picked on his whole life and now is prob insane. Looks it anyways. We should wait for pamith to confirm if he is a psychopath.
Bro ;D
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Guy is a patsy, he'll be cleared soon enough when the real killer is caught.
They found his DNA:
"Kohberger’s DNA has also been matched to genetic material recovered at the off-campus house where the students were stabbed to death, according to the sources."
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Pamith identified you as a psychopath 😳😳
Brutal if true....
Poor soul.....
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They found his DNA:
"Kohberger’s DNA has also been matched to genetic material recovered at the off-campus house where the students were stabbed to death, according to the sources."
Maybe he knew them? Banged one or more of them? Went to one of their many parties? Maybe it was planted by the cops because they have no leads?
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Patsy Of Peace
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They found his DNA:
"Kohberger’s DNA has also been matched to genetic material recovered at the off-campus house where the students were stabbed to death, according to the sources."
23&Me or Ancestry.com for the win.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/30/us/university-of-idaho-student-killings-investigation/index.html
Genetic genealogy helped investigators identify the suspect, a source with knowledge of the case said. DNA found in Idaho was taken through a public database to find potential matches for family members, the source said. Once potential family matches were found, subsequent investigative work by law enforcement led to the identification of Kohberger, according to the source.
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Clever guy. Sign up for 23 & me, send them your DNA.
Go on murder rampage... Leave DNA behind.
School and Degree's do not make dumb people smart. They just complete a course/program...
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Clever guy. Sign up for 23 & me, send them your DNA.
Go on murder rampage... Leave DNA behind.
School and Degree's do not make dumb people smart. They just complete a course/program...
Criminal Justice majors aren't usually the brightest anyway. You would think committing a crime would be the one thing he would get right.
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Clever guy. Sign up for 23 & me, send them your DNA.
Go on murder rampage... Leave DNA behind.
School and Degree's do not make dumb people smart. They just complete a course/program...
Where does it say he signed up for 23 and me? I don’t think he needed to sign up for any of that for genetic genealogy to work. I don’t know how they match the perpetrators DNA to close family members but I don’t think he signed up for 23 and me. Maybe one of his family members did and they matched his DNA to the family members. The Golden state killer was caught using genetic genealogy and he’s 77-they didn’t have 23 and me back then so he could not have used it. This method has been used to solve lots of crimes without criminals signing up for 23 and me. But I’m not exactly sure how the process works.
“First, the assailant’s DNA is collected from crime-scene evidence. That DNA profile is converted to a format that can be anonymously uploaded to GEDmatch or Family Tree DNA, the only two major consumer genetic genealogy databases that explicitly permit law enforcement use.
Once the database processes the sample, it produces a list of matches to the perpetrator’s DNA. Those matches could be close family members or distant relatives, such as fourth cousins. The more DNA the two profiles share, the more closely the match is probably related to the perpetrator.
Then, genealogists build family trees for the matches using various traditional sources, such as birth certificates, obituaries, wedding announcements and public records. They work backward in time, with a goal of finding common ancestors in the matches’ family trees. Then they work forward in time, identifying those ancestors’ descendants as well as marriages. Each DNA match helps narrow down the list.
Once promising candidates have been identified, law enforcement might collect a discarded DNA sample from them (such as a used napkin or cigarette) and compare it to the crime-scene DNA. That analysis either confirms or disproves the match.”
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Where does it say he signed up for 23 and me? I don’t think he needed to sign up for any of that for genetic genealogy to work. I don’t know how they match the perpetrators DNA to close family members but I don’t think he signed up for 23 and me. Maybe one of his family members did and they matched his DNA to the family members. The Golden state killer was caught using genetic genealogy and he’s 77-they didn’t have 23 and me back then so he could not have used it. This method has been used to solve lots of crimes without criminals signing up for 23 and me. But I’m not exactly sure how the process works.
“First, the assailant’s DNA is collected from crime-scene evidence. That DNA profile is converted to a format that can be anonymously uploaded to GEDmatch or Family Tree DNA, the only two major consumer genetic genealogy databases that explicitly permit law enforcement use.
Once the database processes the sample, it produces a list of matches to the perpetrator’s DNA. Those matches could be close family members or distant relatives, such as fourth cousins. The more DNA the two profiles share, the more closely the match is probably related to the perpetrator.
Then, genealogists build family trees for the matches using various traditional sources, such as birth certificates, obituaries, wedding announcements and public records. They work backward in time, with a goal of finding common ancestors in the matches’ family trees. Then they work forward in time, identifying those ancestors’ descendants as well as marriages. Each DNA match helps narrow down the list.
Once promising candidates have been identified, law enforcement might collect a discarded DNA sample from them (such as a used napkin or cigarette) and compare it to the crime-scene DNA. That analysis either confirms or disproves the match.”
Youre probably right. I saw Moontrane's post and assumed. We know how that goes.
A great tool for solving crime though, when he can be tracked via family members DNA.
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Maybe he knew them? Banged one or more of them? Went to one of their many parties? Maybe it was planted by the cops because they have no leads?
In all seriousness if the place was such a flop house then it's not implausible that his DNA could be present for any number of reasons. Sounds like people came and went from the house all the time.
Now if one of the girls fought back and scratched the guy and his DNA were collected from her nails.... it'd make for a stronger case.
Guy does have Ted Bundy vibes.
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Youre probably right. I saw Moontrane's post and assumed. We know how that goes.
A great tool for solving crime though, when he can be tracked via family members DNA.
This.
There's many unsolved cases where they have DNA stashed away that are being brought to light using this method. The Zodiac one is definitely in there for me from that stamp they have I think it was. Also others like The Doodler. There's been a lot of less well known murderers being caught since about 2017 where this technology is finally being used for cold cases successfully. Some of them didn't offend and became family men thinking they'd got away with it.
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In all seriousness if the place was such a flop house then it's not implausible that his DNA could be present for any number of reasons. Sounds like people came and went from the house all the time.
Now if one of the girls fought back and scratched the guy and his DNA were collected from her nails.... it'd make for a stronger case.
Guy does have Ted Bundy vibes.
I’m thinking DNA from underneath nails or hair. Said victims fought back. Not sure how many actually got the chance to fight back since they were asleep when he stabbed them.
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Reminiscant of the Richard Speck case in some ways......as the girls were sleeping.
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Someone stabbed 4 students in a house in Idaho. Two other people were in the home but were not attacked and ever stranger, were not awakened by the 4 other people being stabbed. The killer is still at large. I can’t imagine this being anything else but a targeted attack but why these 4 students? Maybe the work of a serial killer.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/university-idaho-students-killed-moscow.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/20/us/university-of-idaho-killings-sunday/index.html
wow, that guy went to the same college as me.
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wow, that guy went to the same college as me.
.. then you're just as guilty
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This.
There's many unsolved cases where they have DNA stashed away that are being brought to light using this method. The Zodiac one is definitely in there for me from that stamp they have I think it was. Also others like The Doodler. There's been a lot of less well known murderers being caught since about 2017 where this technology is finally being used for cold cases successfully. Some of them didn't offend and became family men thinking they'd got away with it.
I am not too sure how this all works, but I assume via Genetic genealogy, they constructed a family tree. Looked at all living relatives, probably saw he was one of the youngest, lived in Washington, and then decided to track him. They realized he drove a white hyundai elantra, which was found captured by video, and BAM, they got him.
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.. then you're just as guilty
yup, ban colleges, at least that one. ::)
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Now if one of the girls fought back and scratched the guy and his DNA were collected from her nails.... it'd make for a stronger case.
This. We need some sort of convincing evidence from the police released. One day they were begging for the publics help, the next they arrested someone.
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Looks like a getbigger
Has a extremely punchable face, up there with david schwimmer
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What I’m wondering is how are peoples DNA winding up in databases without their consent? The only way this would work is to match the killers DNA against family. But what if family members never consented to have their DNA in a database to be used by cops?
Explain…
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What I’m wondering is how are peoples DNA winding up in databases without their consent? The only way this would work is to match the killers DNA against family. But what if family members never consented to have their DNA in a database to be used by cops?
Explain…
Honestly, who gives a shit in this specific matter. You can have my DNA, I have nothing to hide.
Actually, I would take a DNA bank over mandatory vaccines, anyway. Only criminals, would care about having DNA/fingerprints on file.
You object? You already have a social security number, driver's license, registration etc.....
If you aren't a criminal, then you should see these measures as a help.
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Honestly, who gives a shit in this specific matter. You can have my DNA, I have nothing to hide.
Actually, I would take a DNA bank over mandatory vaccines, anyway. Only criminals, would care about having DNA/fingerprints on file.
You object? You already have a social security number, driver's license, registration etc.....
If you aren't a criminal, then you should see these measures as a help.
Part of me wants to agree but I think the government is not to be trusted with this information.
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I submitted my DNA to Ancestry.com, Family Tree and other organizations when it was initially offered. There is nothing to hide, no reason that I can see not to and there are many positives. A lot folks in my family also submitted their DNA. As a result, our mutual family histories have expanded greatly.
There is a lot of information about my family heritage because my ancestors were interested in this did and researched it and kept records. My grandfather was a member of the SAR and several of my aunts became members of the DAR.
My heritage is Irish, Scotch, English, French and Scandinavian. Some of my ancestors immigrated to America around the same time as the pilgrims. Obviously, at least a few fought in the American Revolution, hence the memberships in SAR and DAR.
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I wouldn't submit DNA to any website or database. No, nothing to hide. But...
I just dont trust "human error". It has happened before. Labs fuck up, send others to jail or death-row.
(Couple of Forensic Files episodes on this).
Probably very rare, but humans are stupid, so...
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What I’m wondering is how are peoples DNA winding up in databases without their consent? The only way this would work is to match the killers DNA against family. But what if family members never consented to have their DNA in a database to be used by cops?
Explain…
First way they do it is run it through CODIS, which has prisoner DNA samples. Then they move to the private databases, a few smaller ones proactively agree to help the cops, it's in the fine print.
For the other big private databases, they upload a suspect's DNA sample to the genealogy part that many people voluntarily opt into hoping to find a long lost relative. Many times if they get a hit, they look for a family relation a few times removed to help "snitch" on who it might be. Other times, they'll send a formal note that they found a family member, but it's long after they've already started an investigation, so technically they did help you find a long lost relation.
Can't find it now, but I read an article on the tricks they use to get around warrant requirements a few years ago, it was interesting.
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I wouldn't submit DNA to any website or database. No, nothing to hide. But...
I just dont trust "human error". It has happened before. Labs fuck up, send others to jail or death-row.
(Couple of Forensic Files episodes on this).
Probably very rare, but humans are stupid, so...
True, but advancements have made it so "human error" is almost non-existant (with evidence)
Then you have cases like Scott Peterson. No physical evidence whatsoever. No fingerprints, no DNA, .......
The good guys, need these tools to catch the assholes.
Evil, knows no limits.
I actually think I'm on to something....I'm Sure it's already been thought of......
Actually, have you ever been to Game Stop? Or a Pawn shop? They make you take fingerprints.
Lol! They have their ways.
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First way they do it is run it through CODIS, which has prisoner DNA samples. Then they move to the private databases, a few smaller ones proactively agree to help the cops, it's in the fine print.
For the other big private databases, they upload a suspect's DNA sample to the genealogy part that many people voluntarily opt into hoping to find a long lost relative. Many times if they get a hit, they look for a family relation a few times removed to help "snitch" on who it might be. Other times, they'll send a formal note that they found a family member, but it's long after they've already started an investigation, so technically they did help you find a long lost relation.
Can't find it now, but I read an article on the tricks they use to get around warrant requirements a few years ago, it was interesting.
Yeah, pretty much, but no warrant required. Authorities send in the DNA to 23&Me and Ancestry as a John Doe and toggle "seek all DNA relatives." I have 2,000 DNA relatives on one of those sites, and a lot them use their real names. Easy, peasy.
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I wouldn't submit DNA to any website or database. No, nothing to hide. But...
I just dont trust "human error". It has happened before. Labs fuck up, send others to jail or death-row.
(Couple of Forensic Files episodes on this).
Probably very rare, but humans are stupid, so...
Your DNA is likely in a database even without your consent.
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First way they do it is run it through CODIS, which has prisoner DNA samples. Then they move to the private databases, a few smaller ones proactively agree to help the cops, it's in the fine print.
For the other big private databases, they upload a suspect's DNA sample to the genealogy part that many people voluntarily opt into hoping to find a long lost relative. Many times if they get a hit, they look for a family relation a few times removed to help "snitch" on who it might be. Other times, they'll send a formal note that they found a family member, but it's long after they've already started an investigation, so technically they did help you find a long lost relation.
Can't find it now, but I read an article on the tricks they use to get around warrant requirements a few years ago, it was interesting.
BB, thanks for explanation.
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True, but advancements have made it so "human error" is almost non-existant (with evidence)
Then you have cases like Scott Peterson. No physical evidence whatsoever. No fingerprints, no DNA, .......
The good guys, need these tools to catch the assholes.
Evil, knows no limits.
I actually think I'm on to something....I'm Sure it's already been thought of......
Actually, have you ever been to Game Stop? Or a Pawn shop? They make you take fingerprints.
Lol! They have their ways.
Listen to yourself.
I’ve got nothing to hide, it’s for the better of society, get the vaccine how selfish are you, ban guns, blah, blah, blah, blah….
You’re saying to trust big tech because they will…. Find criminals? Protect us?
Dude just post your address and cell phone here if you’re so transparent and “brave”.
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I submitted my DNA to Ancestry.com, Family Tree and other organizations when it was initially offered. There is nothing to hide, no reason that I can see not to and there are many positives. A lot folks in my family also submitted their DNA. As a result, our mutual family histories have expanded greatly.
There is a lot of information about my family heritage because my ancestors were interested in this did and researched it and kept records. My grandfather was a member of the SAR and several of my aunts became members of the DAR.
My heritage is Irish, Scotch, English, French and Scandinavian. Some of my ancestors immigrated to America around the same time as the pilgrims. Obviously, at least a few fought in the American Revolution, hence the memberships in SAR and DAR.
Thousands of men have submitted their DNA down your throat.
Disgusting old soggy phaggot.
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Listen to yourself.
I’ve got nothing to hide, it’s for the better of society, get the vaccine how selfish are you, ban guns, blah, blah, blah, blah….
You’re saying to trust big tech because they will…. Find criminals? Protect us?
Dude just post your address and cell phone here if you’re so transparent and “brave”.
Reading comprehension is your friend.
Nice try at trolling. I actually think this could benefit society.
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Reading comprehension is your friend.
Nice try at trolling. I actually think this could benefit society.
I’m not trolling. You’re a threat to yourself. You consider yourself a deep thinker but you’re very simple minded. Which is a common problem for people like yourself.
What they should do is use genetic indicators for sociopaths, pedo’s, sexual or violent tendencies, drug addicts and alcoholic’s and eliminate them before they are born. Do it it for the benefit of society.
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I’m not trolling. You’re a threat to yourself. You consider yourself a deep thinker but you’re very simple minded. Which is a common problem for people like yourself.
What they should do is use genetic indicators for sociopaths, pedo’s, sexual or violent tendencies, drug addicts and alcoholic’s and eliminate them before they are born. Do it it for the benefit of society.
You would be left with Adam and Eve.
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You would be left with Adam and Eve.
They’re dead.
Anything to make society better. Evil and whatever.
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.. then you're just as guilty
;D
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They’re dead.
Anything to make society better. Evil and whatever.
Yes, Adam and Eve are dead, but if you believe they ever existed, there is some infinitesimal amount of their DNA in all of us. Personally, I question whether they were real or simply folklore.
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Yes, Adam and Eve are dead, but if you believe they ever existed, there is some infinitesimal amount of their DNA in all of us. Personally, I question whether they were real or simply folklore.
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I’m not trolling. You’re a threat to yourself. You consider yourself a deep thinker but you’re very simple minded. Which is a common problem for people like yourself.
What they should do is use genetic indicators for sociopaths, pedo’s, sexual or violent tendencies, drug addicts and alcoholic’s and eliminate them before they are born. Do it it for the benefit of society.
Agree with Paedophile's / sexual offending tendencies / Leftists / MSM China Virus Propaganda believer's/
Heroin , smack / cocaine etc addicts/ Alcoholics / Glory Hole seeking queers/ feminists / weirdo inbetweenies ,
Don't know what the fuck they are / Muslims/ elitist Jews + I've probably forgot a few to add on.
The sociopaths & violent tendencies, 😳 🤔 Hmmmm I'm fine with - for some reason 😂🤣😂👍🏻
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I’m not trolling. You’re a threat to yourself. You consider yourself a deep thinker but you’re very simple minded. Which is a common problem for people like yourself.
What they should do is use genetic indicators for sociopaths, pedo’s, sexual or violent tendencies, drug addicts and alcoholic’s and eliminate them before they are born. Do it it for the benefit of society.
what category would you put women who get drunk and abandon there young children at the local public pool to fuck strange men ?
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what category would you put women who get drunk and abandon there young children at the local public pool to fuck strange men ?
Need pics for more information, pls.
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what category would you put women who get drunk and abandon there young children at the local public pool to fuck strange men ?
Whores & Bad irresponsible mothers.
see them every weekend out- skirts with their arse hanging out , tops with tits out , smoking , drinking & tattoos
Piercings .
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Speculation that this was his burner Reddit account
Only signed up since the murders, posting frequently and exclusively with certainty about what happened, killers movements in the home etc, to the point people were calling him out on it and reporting it......then literally nothing since the arrest
He did have a confirmed Reddit account for that study survey, so we know he used the platform,not a completely crazy notion he would do this: Haven't gone through all his posts yet myself beyond the first couple of dozen, but the tone and lack of doubt does give pause, combined with the abrupt halt.
Until the insidelooking user posts again post-arrest ,hence proving it's not him, it's a curiosity
https://old.reddit.com/user/insidelooking
(Click on 'context' below each post for the immediately surrounding before & after comments)
Last post (currently) along with a sample of other users speculations:
https://old.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zymyyc/cheif_of_police_james_fry_thanking_public_for/j26xlyx/?context=3
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Speculation that this was his burner Reddit account
Only signed up since the murders, posting frequently and exclusively with certainty about what happened, killers movements in the home etc, to the point people were calling him out on it and reporting it......then literally nothing since the arrest
He did have a confirmed Reddit account for that study survey, so we know he used the platform,not a completely crazy notion he would do this: Haven't gone through all his posts yet myself beyond the first couple of dozen, but the tone and lack of doubt does give pause, combined with the abrupt halt.
Until the insidelooking user posts again post-arrest ,hence proving it's not him, it's a curiosity
https://old.reddit.com/user/insidelooking
(Click on 'context' below each post for the immediately surrounding before & after comments)
Last post (currently) along with a sample of other users speculations:
https://old.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zymyyc/cheif_of_police_james_fry_thanking_public_for/j26xlyx/?context=3
WOW. Thanks for that link just reading some of it now. The last posting that user made - with all the responses. The mods are going overtime deleting responses but leaving the initial posts as they're unsure of who the account could belong to. Will go through the rest, now.
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And still no further posts from the user
https://old.reddit.com/user/insidelooking
I went through more and if anything I ended less skeptical than when I started, very interesting
If it does turn out to be out to be him, it also answers a lot of questions, such as
* who were the primary targets: "X & M" (and via the killers route and the fact were not residents that "K" and "E" weren't). Went to "XE" room first then '"MK"
* Why he didn't kill the other 2 (he just liked the number 4 as a killing number and was satisfied, a bit on the spectrum, I'd guess, he did know the floorplan)
* He entered from the rear 2nd floor after parking his car in the lot just behind (drove car to close proximity in order for a quick getaway),
* watched from the bushes behind until 320am and the killing took around 20 mins and he didn't suffer any injuries in the process given the victims were sleeping
* ADAMANT there was no sexual offence,
* He had some of knowledge of the 2 target victims prior and they knew him in some capacity, possibly because the 2 targets worked together (I believe they were waitresses at the same place and maybe he was a customer,I'm not fully across this case)
* Was initially thrilled at getting away with it, but then increasingly anxious and obsessively checking for up updates. Clearly zero remorse
Nb. He only started adding "imo" and "speculation" to his posts after apparently being told by mods to do so, without which they would have been even more certain and unwavering than they still are
Maybe it's all just internet sleuthing or a masterful troll job, but it's weird the posting stops and nothing since on top of the unnerving post content and style prior.
If the poster would just make a single new comment that would dispel the possibility but nada to-date
Update 5th Jan: looks like the user deleted their account at some point within the last couple of days, which if the wording is to be taken literally indicates this was likely not the guy(unless Reddit was involved)
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And still no further posts from the user
https://old.reddit.com/user/insidelooking
I went through more and if anything I ended less skeptical than when I started, very interesting
If it does turn out to be out to be him, it also answers a lot of questions, such as
* who were the primary targets: "X & M" (and via the killers route and the fact were not residents that "K" and "E" weren't). Went to "XE" room first then '"MK"
* Why he didn't kill the other 2 (he just liked the number 4 as a killing number and was satisfied, a bit on the spectrum, I'd guess, he did know the floorplan)
* He entered from the rear 2nd floor after parking his car in the lot just behind (drove car to close proximity in order for a quick getaway),
* watched from the bushes behind until 320am and the killing took around 20 mins and he didn't suffer any injuries in the process given the victims were sleeping
* ADAMANT there was no sexual offence,
* He had some of knowledge of the 2 target victims prior and they knew him in some capacity, possibly because the 2 targets worked together (I believe they were waitresses at the same place and maybe he was a customer,I'm not fully across this case)
* Was initially thrilled at getting away with it, but then increasingly anxious and obsessively checking for up updates. Clearly zero remorse
Nb. He only started adding "imo" and "speculation" to his posts after apparently being told by mods to do so, without which they would have been even more certain and unwavering than they still are
Maybe it's all just internet sleuthing or a masterful troll job, but it's weird the posting stops and nothing since on top of the unnerving post content and style prior.
If the poster would just make a single new comment that would dispel the possibility but nada to-date
hunter biden did it and this is all a cover up....
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And still no further posts from the user
https://old.reddit.com/user/insidelooking
I went through more and if anything I ended less skeptical than when I started, very interesting
If it does turn out to be out to be him, it also answers a lot of questions, such as
* who were the primary targets: "X & M" (and via the killers route and the fact were not residents that "K" and "E" weren't). Went to "XE" room first then '"MK"
* Why he didn't kill the other 2 (he just liked the number 4 as a killing number and was satisfied, a bit on the spectrum, I'd guess, he did know the floorplan)
* He entered from the rear 2nd floor after parking his car in the lot just behind (drove car to close proximity in order for a quick getaway),
* watched from the bushes behind until 320am and the killing took around 15 mins and he didn't suffer any injuries in the process given the victims were sleeping
* ADAMANT there was no sexual offence,
* He had some of knowledge of the 2 target victims prior, possibly because they worked together (I believe they were waitresses at the same place and maybe he was a customer,I'm not fully across this case)
* Was initially thrilled at getting away with it, but then increasingly anxious and obsessively checking for up updates. Clearly zero remorse
Nb. He only started adding "imo" and "speculation" to his posts after apparently being told by mods to do so, without which they would have been even more certain and unwavering than they still are
Maybe it's all just internet sleuthing or a masterful troll job, but it's weird the posting stops and nothing since on top of the unnerving post content and style prior.
If the poster would just make a single new comment that would dispel the possibility but nada to-date
Good observations. I’m assuming the poster was the arrested suspect.
He tried to be nonchalant with his posts, but his simple, straightforward, proclamations were presented as fact. His first posting date coincided with the house address.
As many pointed out, the dude was posting with a focused intention and then suddenly goes silent once the biggest announcement was made? It seemed like he thought he was going to not be caught, at one point referencing that 50% of murders remain unsolved.
Interesting stuff.
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Reddit Poster mentions he/the killer got in through one of the glass doors that was unlocked. Below are just some quotes in case reddit erases anything. It will be interesting if it matches the official account of how it happened. That profile is interesting. Slowly he kept dropping more and more info.
Also that part about the killer being a "Violent Offender" and not a "Sex Offender" that the poster harps on is interesting. It fits who BK was known to try and turn himself into - big fat kid re-works himself in a tough, smart, boxer. Violent offender is more respectable in a criminal sense than a gross sex offender.
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"Why would the killer leave 2 people alive at the scene? Movement was intentional. The kitchen was the entry point. So if MK/M/K was the target(s) the killers route would be kitchen and stairs. That path does not cross with XE. If XE/X/E were the target(s) the killers route would be kitchen and living room. That path does not cross with MK."
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"Killer enters sliding door and exits sliding door. If K/M/KM were targets the path doesn’t cross XE. If X/E/XE were targets the path doesn’t cross KM. E and K did not reside at the home. Therefore X and M must’ve been targets."
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"Killer went XE room then MK room imo"
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"Speculation:
killer parked behind the house. Approached property through tree line.
Entered sliding door and left it open. Committed murders and exited sliding door.
One knife according to coroners statement.
Time of murder approximately 3:20am - 3:40am according to car fleeing scene and on camera on highway 8 approximately 3:45am.
Vehicle left skid marks upon exit."
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"Person in vehicle is wearing a hoodie with the hood up."
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"Killer drove to the residence. Entered sliding door at approximately 3:20am. Stabbed victims in their beds. Left through sliding door at approx. 3:35am and headed east on highway 8"
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And still no further posts from the user
https://old.reddit.com/user/insidelooking
I went through more and if anything I ended less skeptical than when I started, very interesting
If it does turn out to be out to be him, it also answers a lot of questions, such as
* who were the primary targets: "X & M" (and via the killers route and the fact were not residents that "K" and "E" weren't). Went to "XE" room first then '"MK"
* Why he didn't kill the other 2 (he just liked the number 4 as a killing number and was satisfied, a bit on the spectrum, I'd guess, he did know the floorplan)
* He entered from the rear 2nd floor after parking his car in the lot just behind (drove car to close proximity in order for a quick getaway),
* watched from the bushes behind until 320am and the killing took around 20 mins and he didn't suffer any injuries in the process given the victims were sleeping
* ADAMANT there was no sexual offence,
* He had some of knowledge of the 2 target victims prior and they knew him in some capacity, possibly because the 2 targets worked together (I believe they were waitresses at the same place and maybe he was a customer,I'm not fully across this case)
* Was initially thrilled at getting away with it, but then increasingly anxious and obsessively checking for up updates. Clearly zero remorse
Nb. He only started adding "imo" and "speculation" to his posts after apparently being told by mods to do so, without which they would have been even more certain and unwavering than they still are
Maybe it's all just internet sleuthing or a masterful troll job, but it's weird the posting stops and nothing since on top of the unnerving post content and style prior.
If the poster would just make a single new comment that would dispel the possibility but nada to-date
Yeah. Very interesting thoughts. Usually: a case like this with so many posts/interest from a user and the most important part of a suspect's arrest with crickets from that user - something's up. Either that poster happened to end up in a head on collision on the way to/from work or is otherwise incapacitated. What are the chances of radio silence from someone clearly obsessed with a case enough to join an online community sub dedicated to that case?
I can't see it being a troll job because how many people would really notice? You'd want to create some serious doubt/intrigue before doing a disappearing act and this guy seems like any other poster. Nothing too controversial or direct. Really makes you think.
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Yeah. Very interesting thoughts. Usually: a case like this with so many posts/interest from a user and the most important part of a suspect's arrest with crickets from that user - something's up. Either that poster happened to end up in a head on collision on the way to/from work or is otherwise incapacitated. What are the chances of radio silence from someone clearly obsessed with a case enough to join an online community sub dedicated to that case?
I can't see it being a troll job because how many people would really notice? You'd want to create some serious doubt/intrigue before doing a disappearing act and this guy seems like any other poster. Nothing too controversial or direct. Really makes you think.
Agreed im inclined to think its him until such time if/when that poster becomes active again. Fascinating potential insight into the mind of a killer in real time in the aftermath of his 'crowning achievement'. No doubt he would have started plotting another one soon enough: good that option has been curtailed
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Agreed im inclined to think its him until such time if/when that poster becomes active again. Fascinating potential insight into the mind of a killer in real time in the aftermath of his 'crowning achievement'. No doubt he would have started plotting another one soon enough: good that option has been curtailed
X2. Well said!!!
if it's him - it's a look into the cognitive defence mechanisms he's using to maybe distract/obfuscate/subvert ideas of other posters who may be onto a possible track - or maybe even gloating about it in other posts. Definitely worth a further read of this as more evidence comes out if it turns out to be him so we can match as to if he begins to panic more/change posting style closer to the exposure.
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What I’m wondering is how are peoples DNA winding up in databases without their consent? The only way this would work is to match the killers DNA against family. But what if family members never consented to have their DNA in a database to be used by cops?
Explain…
People leave their DNA everywhere. Ever drink a can of pop or a bottle of water and toss it in the garbage? Ever smoke and flick your cigarette butt into the street? Once you abandon that item: gum, can, bottle, cigarette etc you also abandon any privacy and ownership rights of that item. Meaning law enforcement: state, local, federal, FBI etc can sieze it and search it.
In order to collect DNA from a specific person (from the person themselves and not from trace evidence or abandoned cigarette) police would need a warrant and swab your nose or mouth. The process for collecting DNA from a person is almost identical to all those fucking covid tests anyone had to take during the pandumbic.
I know of at least one cold case that was solved because of an "Ancestry. Com" database. It wasn't even the killers DNA but a son or grandsonswho used Ancestry.com.... at the time tgere was relief that the case was solved but quickly thereafter attorneys began questioning whether or not it was a rights violation.
I will say this: you dont have privacy rights over someone elses DNA. Even if their DNA is used to identify you.
Also if you elect to use Ancestry.com or 23andme. And they send you a kit to collect your DNA and you send it back to use their service to identify relatives, your DNA now belongs to them. And the question of ownership and rights to search their database by LE is no longer a question of your consent.
This is all fairly new technology, at least from a standpoint of court decisions. It will be a few more years before the SCOTUS makes any landmark decision regarding the use of these DNA databases.
Look, im glad they caught a few killers but this does raise some serious fucking concerns.
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Thousands of men have submitted their DNA down your throat.
Disgusting old soggy phaggot.
:D
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Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's family is "shocked" and doesn't believe he slaughtered four college students, according to a report.
"They don’t believe it to be Bryan. They can’t believe this," Monroe County Chief Public Defender Jason LaBar told NBC News. "They’re obviously shocked. This is certainly completely out of character, the allegations, and really they’re just trying to be supportive with the understanding that these four families have suffered loss."
The attorney added that the Washington State University Ph.D. student-turned-accused mass murderer told him he believes he will be found not guilty.
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Yeah, pretty much, but no warrant required. Authorities send in the DNA to 23&Me and Ancestry as a John Doe and toggle "seek all DNA relatives." I have 2,000 DNA relatives on one of those sites, and a lot them use their real names. Easy, peasy.
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People leave their DNA everywhere. Ever drink a can of pop or a bottle of water and toss it in the garbage? Ever smoke and flick your cigarette butt into the street? Once you abandon that item: gum, can, bottle, cigarette etc you also abandon any privacy and ownership rights of that item. Meaning law enforcement: state, local, federal, FBI etc can sieze it and search it.
You bring up a goodpoint. Bryan Kohberger may have been in the victim's house at any time before the murders took place and left his DNA, for example at a party (college students are known to party every now and then). The presence of his DNA alone doesn't prove he killed those folks. Of course, we don't know what other evidence the authorities may have because the probable cause affidavit – the legal document used to justify Kohberger’s arrest and obtain a warrant – remains sealed. He declined to talk to the police and asked for an attorney who would have advised him to not speak to the police. Other evidence, if there is any, could be circumstantial. This is not a done deal just yet.
Update 1/5/2023: Supposedly his DNA was take off the knife sheath.
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He has a Timothy mcveigh vibe to him.
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look up the Affidavit.. very good read... 18 ish pages .... they had their eyes on him right away,,
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Drives car to crime site
Leaves knife sheath at crime site
This guy is not shaping up as a criminal mastermind presently
He sure has the sociopath look down pat though
(https://images.foxtv.com/static.q13fox.com/www.q13fox.com/content/uploads/2023/01/932/524/kohberger-traffic-stop.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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Drives car to crime site
Leaves knife sheath at crime site
This guy is not shaping up as a criminal mastermind presently
He sure has the sociopath look down pat though
(https://images.foxtv.com/static.q13fox.com/www.q13fox.com/content/uploads/2023/01/932/524/kohberger-traffic-stop.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
What do you mean? He had his phone off (untrackable) during the murder window. A dope would have left their phone on.
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Drives car to crime site
Leaves knife sheath at crime site
This guy is not shaping up as a criminal mastermind presently
He sure has the sociopath look down pat though
(https://images.foxtv.com/static.q13fox.com/www.q13fox.com/content/uploads/2023/01/932/524/kohberger-traffic-stop.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
How did Primemuscle get in the car with this guy? Schmoe-date?
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What do you mean? He had his phone off (untrackable) during the murder window. A dope would have left their phone on.
Haha very droll, yes my mistake you are right, the noticeable lack of trackability over that specific time (whereas it was either side) speaks to a superior mind and extensive gaming out of all aspects of his rampage, this guy is a genius
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How did Primemuscle get in the car with this guy? Schmoe-date?
LOL! Thank goodness that your ability to ID me sucks. I would not want to be anywhere within several hundred miles of that guy. -Very scary thought. BTW thanks, it is time for me to 'hit the hay' and the thought of this happening is sure to provoked serious nightmares.
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look up the Affidavit.. very good read... 18 ish pages .... they had their eyes on him right away,,
Crazy. I think the phone data is just as significant with the DNA in this case - the only time his phone was switched off was during the night the crimes happened. However the moron left it on all the other times he did reconnaissance to the house where the crime was committed. I know: I'll leave evidence going out of my way 12 times to reccie a location and then just switch it off or leave it at home that one night I planned to commit crimes that would be investigated with 100% law enforcement resources until the end of time.
Even without DNA evidence: I'm sure they have the technology these days to compile phone mast data accurate to a 12sq ft. area of people's phones that were repeatedly present in the vicinity of an area days/weeks/months leading up to a murder. Even drug dealers have the sense to use burner phones.
For a PhD in Criminology: this guy gets an F.
Of course: he could have been framed but whoever took his phone there multiple times and left his DNA on a knife sheathe surely that's someone very fucking close to him that lives with him and has access to his phone all those evenings/early mornings he scouted that house out the 12 previous occasions. There's no fucking way this guy's getting found innocent. The probability is just so low.
What a fucking scumbag. Murder for financial reasons - drugs - domestic issues - you can kind of get a grasp on someone losing their cool and crossing the line in the heat of the moment. You can even understand the 'motive' plotting to kill someone for money as greed is a motivating factor and we've all experienced greed in some form of another but know there's levels of greed not to cross. But what this guy did is just plain sick for the sake of being sick. A predator with nothing behind the eyes.
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What do you mean? He had his phone off (untrackable) during the murder window. A dope would have left their phone on.
Or maybe leave it on, but leave it at home??
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I don't think the phone argument is very convincing and certainly would not be enough to convict him. He could say he drove to the crime scene a couple of times because he was interested in the case. Not too far fetched, considering him being a criminology student. They really need to convict him with his DNA on the murder weapon or some other item that was in close vicinity to the victims.
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He is going to prison for life will be raped daily
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What happened in Idaho? Is everybody okay?
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What do you mean? He had his phone off (untrackable) during the murder window. A dope would have left their phone on.
Hilarious.
Guys phone is never off....
Turns it off for the two hours he's killing people...
Turns it back on.
Slick. Thats not suspicious at all.
When fingerprints first became used in forensics career criminals would shave off the pads of their finger tips.
Ultimately the scars on their fingers left more easily recognizable and trackable "prints" than their fingerprints did.
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I don't think the phone argument is very convincing and certainly would not be enough to convict him. He could say he drove to the crime scene a couple of times because he was interested in the case. Not too far fetched, considering him being a criminology student. They really need to convict him with his DNA on the murder weapon or some other item that was in close vicinity to the victims.
All the phone pings cited in the affidavit are before it was known to be a crime scene:
- 12 occasions in the months leading up to the deed ie.stalking/casing
- A few other occasions on the night of the crime (at home, just leaving his home, then returning after the crime, punctuated by a mind bogglingly idiotic conspicuous lack of pinging during the crime window itself lol)
- 1 occasion 9am a few hours after the crime , and before the 911 call (see if any fuss, glory in his work or if he could recover the sheath)
The 8 hour gap before the 911 call is a curiosity,we now know that one of the survivors saw him walk by, was petrified and locked the door. Yet no 911 call until midday. Lot of theories floating around and the poor girl is getting crucified online , but no doubt the reasons why will come out in the trial
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The 8 hour gap before the 911 call is a curiosity,we now know that one of the survivors saw him walk by, was petrified and locked the door. Yet no 911 call until midday. Lot of theories floating around and the poor girl is getting crucified online , but no doubt the reasons why will come out in the trial
Scared, petrified, hiding behind a locked door, but doesn't bother to contact anyone? No 911, no friend to come check, doesn't wake up any other roommates to look for this strange guy?
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Scared, petrified, hiding behind a locked door, but doesn't bother to contact anyone? No 911, no friend to come check, doesn't wake up any other roommates to look for this strange guy?
it is strange, but people do odd things under extreme stress.
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Scared, petrified, hiding behind a locked door, but doesn't bother to contact anyone? No 911, no friend to come check, doesn't wake up any other roommates to look for this strange guy?
Yeah it does look very curious, but the answer may ultimately be something innocuous such as she passed out, or maybe she just couldn't cope and her body and brain shut down and she went foetal position, or her phone was in the kitchen
I really don't know but am prepared to give benefit of the doubt and see what is offered in the trial. But I do understand the questioning, it's a very atypical response based on the limited information in the affidavit
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Yeah it does look very curious, but the answer may ultimately be something innocuous such as she passed out, or maybe she just couldn't cope and her body and brain shut down and she went foetal position, or her phone was in the kitchen
I really don't know but am prepared to give benefit of the doubt and see what is offered in the trial. But I do understand the questioning, it's a very atypical response based on the limited information in the affidavit
X2 - there was a mass killing in the 70's I think where 8 nurses students were slaughtered in a dorm and the one survivor managed to hide underneath a bed while the others were taken out one by one and knifed/strangled to death (I forgot) - anyway - she waited a long time until the coast was clear and the place had gone quiet before sneaking out from underneath her bed. The killer miscounted the nurses originally she had been noticed but in all the commotion managed to hide in the room somehow while the rest were taken out one by one and killed.
I recall that it was a while before she sought to crawl from under there. The body shuts down sometimes and the legs just don't work or you freeze like a deer in headlights.
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it is strange, but people do odd things under extreme stress.
She lived in a party house, there must have been strangers coming and going all the time. Why would this one time scare her so much?
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Haha very droll, yes my mistake you are right, the noticeable lack of trackability over that specific time (whereas it was either side) speaks to a superior mind and extensive gaming out of all aspects of his rampage, this guy is a genius
Turning off his phone for the only time during the window of the murders is just as incriminating. He couldn’t even keep it off until he got back home. Loser turned it back on while he was still driving home. Cant even claim he turned it off to sleep. A genius wouldve put his phone on YouTube auto play and left the phone in his apartment.
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Turning off his phone for the only time during the window of the murders is just as incriminating. He couldn’t even keep it off until he got back home. Loser turned it back on while he was still driving home. Cant even claim he turned it off to sleep. A genius wouldve put his phone on YouTube auto play and left the phone in his apartment.
A genius? Anyone who took even 5 minutes to prep the event…. This guy cases the place for either weeks or months and he can’t even think ahead to leave his phone at home? Despite dedicating his life to studying crime?
I would like to know what he was thinking at 9 the next morning when he drove back by the apartment. I’m sure he was confused and shocked that there were no police at the house. I wonder if he thought he made the whole thing up in his mind or that he had gotten away with the murder. Did he want to go back in and see if he could grab the sheath he left behind and make sure they were dead?
Or was he thinking about breakfast?
Obviously this guy is a complete loser but I’m sure he had to have his ego built to Hankins level with all this genius talk and he believed he was bulletproof when committing this “perfect” crime.
In reality he was a bumbling idiot with zero self awareness. These simple facts will torment him for the rest of his pathetic life.
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A genius? Anyone who took even 5 minutes to prep the event…. This guy cases the place for either weeks or months and he can’t even think ahead to leave his phone at home? Despite dedicating his life to studying crime?
I would like to know what he was thinking at 9 the next morning when he drove back by the apartment. I’m sure he was confused and shocked that there were no police at the house. I wonder if he thought he made the whole thing up in his mind or that he had gotten away with the murder. Did he want to go back in and see if he could grab the sheath he left behind and make sure they were dead?
Just think of the comedy of this dude “meticulously” planning this savage murder and covering his body and head to prevent leaving any hair or DNA evidence and he stabs these four people and goes to put the knife back in the sheath and he’s like WTF!?!? Dude went into a full blown panic looking for that damn sheath! Probably ran back and forth between the rooms. Looking under the bed. Finally gives up and then spends an extra 45 minutes driving around trying to figure out where to dump the knife. Then goes home and can’t sleep because…I can’t believe I LOST THE FUCKING SHEATH!! And yes, I believe he is so worked up and irritated that he drives back to the house and seeing no cops, actually considers re-entering the house to look for the sheath in the daylight! But there’s just too many students up and out and about and he can’t risk it and returns home while looking at his ugly mug in the rear view mirror and cursing himself ‘Bryan you fucking idiot! How could you be so fucking stupid!’
Knowing that he knew he fucked up so bad makes this whole thing a lot better. Minus the DNA on the sheath they probably can’t secure a conviction.
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Just think of the comedy of this dude “meticulously” planning this savage murder and covering his body and head to prevent leaving any hair or DNA evidence and he stabs these four people and goes to put the knife back in the sheath and he’s like WTF!?!? Dude went into a full blown panic looking for that damn sheath! Probably ran back and forth between the rooms. Looking under the bed. Finally gives up and then spends an extra 45 minutes driving around trying to figure out where to dump the knife. Then goes home and can’t sleep because…I can’t believe I LOST THE FUCKING SHEATH!! And yes, I believe he is so worked up and irritated that he drives back to the house and seeing no cops, actually considers re-entering the house to look for the sheath in the daylight! But there’s just too many students up and out and about and he can’t risk it and returns home while looking at his ugly mug in the rear view mirror and cursing himself ‘Bryan you fucking idiot! How could you be so fucking stupid!’
Knowing that he knew he fucked up so bad makes this whole thing a lot better. Minus the DNA on the sheath they probably can’t secure a conviction.
Exactly.
Obviously nothing good came from this BUT the fact that he will be tormented by his own stupidity, and you know the cops and DA will push the narrative that he is no genius but a simple minded angry incel, brings a small amount of justice.
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He should be fed through a woodchipper.
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Turning off his phone for the only time during the window of the murders is just as incriminating. He couldn’t even keep it off until he got back home. Loser turned it back on while he was still driving home. Cant even claim he turned it off to sleep. A genius wouldve put his phone on YouTube auto play and left the phone in his apartment.
The only thing I can think of is that he somehow concluded that the local keystone cops sole course of phone activity investigation would be to focus on pings & other records in the crime scene area at the time of the murders to look for any anomalies/non-residents etc. And he would not appear and so no link to the crime.
But even that line of thinking then fails to factor in the lack of awareness that he would be seen by home and highway security cameras speeding off from the crime at a rate of knots, and that the (very competent as it turns out) locals are likely gonna call in the feds for assistance with a QUADRUPLE homicide...which would then lead to tracking and finding his car and identity and full phone activity
Bug eyed weirdo
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You know it's funny because you do hear about that. Criminals who accidentally leave behind drivers licenses etc (!) . The theory being that subconsciously they do want to be caught. Makes you wonder...
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Just think of the comedy of this dude “meticulously” planning this savage murder and covering his body and head to prevent leaving any hair or DNA evidence and he stabs these four people and goes to put the knife back in the sheath and he’s like WTF!?!? Dude went into a full blown panic looking for that damn sheath! Probably ran back and forth between the rooms. Looking under the bed. Finally gives up and then spends an extra 45 minutes driving around trying to figure out where to dump the knife. Then goes home and can’t sleep because…I can’t believe I LOST THE FUCKING SHEATH!! And yes, I believe he is so worked up and irritated that he drives back to the house and seeing no cops, actually considers re-entering the house to look for the sheath in the daylight! But there’s just too many students up and out and about and he can’t risk it and returns home while looking at his ugly mug in the rear view mirror and cursing himself ‘Bryan you fucking idiot! How could you be so fucking stupid!’
Knowing that he knew he fucked up so bad makes this whole thing a lot better. Minus the DNA on the sheath they probably can’t secure a conviction.
Great post. Can you imagine the horror he must have felt about that sheath lol Fucking incel idiot. And it makes you wonder if he didn't kill the other two because he was in that panic.
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Great post. Can you imagine the horror he must have felt about that sheath lol Fucking incel idiot. And it makes you wonder if he didn't kill the other two because he was in that panic.
I'm looking for that sheath. The tasteful thickness of it. Gasp. It even had a watermark.
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I wonder what his outfit was like for the murders. Losing the knife sheath is unexpectedly hilarious. Did he go there carrying it in his hand? Tucked in his waistband? Did he read humorous anecdotes about guys getting caught with holsters, sheathes, etc... still attached to their belts, and think he was smart not to belt in?
I really hope he talks after awhile.
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Was it just a random attack or did he know the people he killed?
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Was it just a random attack or did he know the people he killed?
The fuck you asking so many questions, you writing a book?
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The fuck you asking so many questions, you writing a book?
Devising a plan?
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Was it just a random attack or did he know the people he killed?
Certainly it was targeted in the sense he cased the place out numerous times so must have had an idea of the occupants
As to whether they knew him, its still to be determined. But is likely at best only in a peripheral sense as he only moved into the area from the other side of the country a few months before, and I dont see him mixing in the same crowd at parties (dorky creepy older guy who doesn't even live in the same town) - so seems to be either an aspiring serial killer suitable target motive, or perhaps a stalker obsessive thing eg. he was a regular customer where a couple of them were waitresses. But all still tbc
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Certainly it was targeted in the sense he cased the place out numerous times so must have had an idea of the occupants
As to whether they knew him, its still to be determined. But is likely at best only in a peripheral sense as he only moved into the area from the other side of the country a few months before, and I dont see him mixing in the same crowd at parties (dorky creepy older guy who doesn't even live in the same town) - so seems to be either an aspiring serial killer suitable target motive, or perhaps a stalker obsessive thing eg. he was a regular customer where a couple of them were waitresses. But all still tbc
Or just bored....
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Was it just a random attack or did he know the people he killed?
Some interesting FBI stats:
In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members.
Of the female murder victims for whom the relationships to their offenders were known, 36.5 percent were murdered by their husbands or boyfriends.
Of the murders for which the circumstance surrounding the murder was known, 42.9 percent of victims were murdered during arguments (including romantic triangles) in 2011. Felony circumstances (rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 23.1 percent of murders.
Serial killings account for no more than 1 percent of all murders committed in the U.S. A serial killer is typically a person who murders three or more people, in two or more separate events over a period of time, for primarily psychological reasons.
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Feller looks scared, scratched up a bit...
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Feller looks scared, scratched up a bit...
Feller needs to call it a day. He's going to get cooked.
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I stumbled upon an incel chat group (no homo) and MAN are they fucked up. They love this guy for what he did (serious) but alas there is question about whether he is a true incel - he might be too tall (serious).
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Feller looks scared, scratched up a bit...
I think reality has hit that being the 'evilest' psycho means fuck all when you're in with sociopaths that are 3 times your size and spent their childhoods in pain/fighting who would consider it a status boost to slit your throat and stab you 75 times. When I saw that monster of a man that Jeffrey Epstein was locked up with as a cell-mate I just had to laugh - think the guy was beating him up on the regular.
At least Bundy had the grace to look relaxed and calm. This guy looks like a deer in headlights.
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I think reality has hit that being the 'evilest' psycho means fuck all when you're in with sociopaths that are 3 times your size and spent their childhoods in pain/fighting who would consider it a status boost to slit your throat and stab you 75 times. When I saw that monster of a man that Jeffrey Epstein was locked up with as a cell-mate I just had to laugh - think the guy was beating him up on the regular.
At least Bundy had the grace to look relaxed and calm. This guy looks like a deer in headlights.
Smiling at the very moment you know you are going down hard because you have all the cameras on you has gotta be the most obvious tell that you are a sociopath: either you are relishing that attention and/or think you can charm people, its simply not a reaction normal people would have when being taken into custody in relation to murder charges. Idaho guy still not confirmed yet - maybe an incel type- but this walshe wife killer guy (bottom pic) looks to fits the bill
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRo-MtkKalL00ZN7tXdFHQqfM5p3lGgDlFR5Q&usqp=CAU)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQkCdhHYLfrgMt1MD2K9gY8EzqNV5vEL6fgA&usqp=CAU)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQj4QnMGeOEO0AtP7hoe_Z1j9NjBYEGS5o_Mg&usqp=CAU)
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Smiling at the very moment you know you are going down hard because you have all the cameras on you has gotta be the most obvious tell that you are a sociopath: either you are relishing that attention and/or think you can charm people, its simply not a reaction normal people would have when being taken into custody in relation to murder charges. Idaho guy still not confirmed yet - maybe an incel type- but this walshe wife killer guy (bottom pic) looks to fits the bill
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRo-MtkKalL00ZN7tXdFHQqfM5p3lGgDlFR5Q&usqp=CAU)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQkCdhHYLfrgMt1MD2K9gY8EzqNV5vEL6fgA&usqp=CAU)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQj4QnMGeOEO0AtP7hoe_Z1j9NjBYEGS5o_Mg&usqp=CAU)
Walshe is absolutely getting cooked.
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they are seemingly interviewing every girl that ever knew him, he apparently was bullied by pretty girls in school growing up
i wouldn't be surprised if those girls he saw in the restaurant blew him off in some way or another, or gave him the impression they were laughing at him just like the girls he knew growing up
this is a case of an autistic obsession with crime, murder, and revenge
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they are seemingly interviewing every girl that ever knew him, he apparently was bullied by pretty girls in school growing up
i wouldn't be surprised if those girls he saw in the restaurant blew him off in some way or another, or gave him the impression they were laughing at him just like the girls he knew growing up
this is a case of an autistic obsession with crime, murder, and revenge
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Good call Earl. It appears he had messaged one of the girls multiple times through IG. Had probably met her once at one of their parties and became obsessed. Of course she ignored the bug-eyed weirdo. That’s just how the social hierarchy of life works. Hot girls can choose the best guy. And in no world could this guy ever be THAT guy.
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Good call Earl. It appears he had messaged one of the girls multiple times through IG. Had probably met her once at one of their parties and became obsessed. Of course she ignored the bug-eyed weirdo. That’s just how the social hierarchy of life works. Hot girls can choose the best guy. And in no world could this guy ever be THAT guy.
If that's the case about being turned down by one of the girls; this guy will be a hero in the incel community. Hopefully big Tyrone will be chasing him and sending kite notes to him so he'll know what it's like to be hunted.
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Ban knife's. Its clearly the knife's fault. Inanimate objects are always to blame...
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Good call Earl. It appears he had messaged one of the girls multiple times through IG. Had probably met her once at one of their parties and became obsessed. Of course she ignored the bug-eyed weirdo. That’s just how the social hierarchy of life works. Hot girls can choose the best guy. And in no world could this guy ever be THAT guy.
i agree but the male victim didn't exactly look like chad
(https://preview.redd.it/ethan-chapin-and-xana-kernodle-2-of-the-4-victims-of-the-v0-lwvfzyx2099a1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=eded1c3d932645cbb39d6801ea60292ebfb6a652)
though it helps not having the alien/bug eyes, you just can't look cool when you always look like a deer caught in head lights
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Was the hot blond actually enrolled in classes? Did I read she drove a Range Rover?
Oh well. Not really important now that she’s dead.
Never mind.
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Was the hot blond actually enrolled in classes? Did I read she drove a Range Rover?
Oh well. Not really important now that she’s dead.
Never mind.
On the contrary you might be able to pick up a nice Range Rover at a good rate at the next police auction in Moscow Idaho.
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:D Yes yes! There’s always a bright side.
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they are seemingly interviewing every girl that ever knew him, he apparently was bullied by pretty girls in school growing up
i wouldn't be surprised if those girls he saw in the restaurant blew him off in some way or another, or gave him the impression they were laughing at him just like the girls he knew growing up
this is a case of an autistic obsession with crime, murder, and revenge
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Sounds like he’ll fit in fine as a getbigger
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Well in all fairness Ethan was dating the ugly one. Maddie had a gorgeous face and Kaylee had an insane rack and cute face with a phat ass. Ethan was just collateral damage anyway. If he even lifted he would’ve crushed the bug eyed lurch.
That’s because they didn’t meet Devon or Tyrone, they would have snatched all those girls with ease
Irrelevant now since the idiots couldn’t stay alive and got knifed
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Was the hot blond actually enrolled in classes? Did I read she drove a Range Rover?
Oh well. Not really important now that she’s dead.
Never mind.
Apparently she had effectively graduated early bar the ceremony, had already moved out, and had a job lined up with an IT company in Austin
Had only returned to see her best friend, the other blonde that got knifed in the same room, and show her the new car, said Range Rover
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Well in all fairness Ethan was dating the ugly one. Maddie had a gorgeous face and Kaylee had an insane rack and cute face with a phat ass. Ethan was just collateral damage anyway. If he even lifted he would’ve crushed the bug eyed lurch.
wow kaylee's boyfriend looks worse than the alleged killer
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/20/18/64748477-11449857-Murder_victim_Kaylee_Goncalves_21_right_and_her_ex_boyfriend_Jac-a-2_1668967641437.jpg)
guarantee they didn't meet on tinder
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Apparently she had effectively graduated early bar the ceremony, had already moved out, and had a job lined up with an IT company in Austin
Had only returned to see her best friend, the other blonde that got knifed in the same room, and show her the new car, said Range Rover
That’s sad, if only she didn’t come back to visit
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wow kaylee's boyfriend looks worse than the alleged killer
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/20/18/64748477-11449857-Murder_victim_Kaylee_Goncalves_21_right_and_her_ex_boyfriend_Jac-a-2_1668967641437.jpg)
guarantee they didn't meet on tinder
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Getbiggers all wrapped up about looks and Chads, should just go out and socialize with people
But a lot are weird and awkward like this bug eyed killer
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Getbiggers all wrapped up about looks and Chads, should just go out and socialize with people
But a lot are weird and awkward like this bug eyed killer
meeting online is how most young people meet these days, so a man's looks are more important than ever
online all they can go by is how he looks in pictures, and according to data they consider 80% of men to be below average looking
they actually broke up and this ginger ex was a suspect, she more than likely upgraded before her demise hence him being a suspect
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Getbiggers all wrapped up about looks and Chads, should just go out and socialize with people
But a lot are weird and awkward like this bug eyed killer
The guy in the picture isn’t the killer, he’s her boyfriend.
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meeting online is how most young people meet these days, so a man's looks are more important than ever
online all they can go by is how he looks in pictures, and according to data they consider 80% of men to be below average looking
they actually broke up and this ginger ex was a suspect, she more than likely upgraded before her demise hence him being a suspect
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He still dated her
Fuck the online then, go out and get wasted at bars, clubs and interact face to face, guarantee if you are decent, can carry a conversation, it’s game
It’s a lot easier now then it was back then tbh, I call it the “Superbad” era a reference to the 2007 movie. Girls like quirky guys, goof balls, and nerds, go out there and observe, you’ll see a bunch of these types with good looking girls
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He still dated her
Fuck the online then, go out and get wasted at bars, clubs and interact face to face, guarantee if you are decent, can carry a conversation, it’s game
It’s a lot easier now then it was back then tbh, I call it the “Superbad” era a reference to the 2007 movie. Girls like quirky guys, goof balls, and nerds, go out there and observe, you’ll see a bunch of these types with good looking girls
I tried all that. Even tried the duct tape and cable ties gifts I was told were a guaranteed success. No luck, so far. I just can't catch a break.
But yeah - in principle; I agree with you. There's too much competition online and IRL is much better. I wouldn't go bar hopping, though. Classes/courses are a great way to meet decent women. A lot of asshole men lie about their height, too, online. Genuine 6' foot plus people like me don't lie about height yet we just seem average when all these others are frauding; and when these women meet shorter guys they assume all of us are lying. I ought to add on 3 inches just to equal the playing field.
I'm considering shaving off 10 years and frauding my age as my age range is beginning to limit me to broken/damaged/divorced types. I say beginning - it's definitely limiting me to that.
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wow kaylee's boyfriend looks worse than the alleged killer
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/20/18/64748477-11449857-Murder_victim_Kaylee_Goncalves_21_right_and_her_ex_boyfriend_Jac-a-2_1668967641437.jpg)
guarantee they didn't meet on tinder
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Kid must have a horse cock, he didn’t get her with those looks.
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Kid must have a horse cock, he didn’t get her with those looks.
rich parents/landscaping of peace....
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Kid must have a horse cock, he didn’t get her with those looks.
Nope, not like he pulled it out on the first date or upon meeting, she def found him attractive
People need to face the facts a lot of these girls like nerds, and geeks, not bbers who bum off of others
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Kid must have a horse cock, he didn’t get her with those looks.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JzTFj20k/pripe.jpg)
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He still dated her
Fuck the online then, go out and get wasted at bars, clubs and interact face to face, guarantee if you are decent, can carry a conversation, it’s game
It’s a lot easier now then it was back then tbh, I call it the “Superbad” era a reference to the 2007 movie. Girls like quirky guys, goof balls, and nerds, go out there and observe, you’ll see a bunch of these types with good looking girls
i don't completely disagree it is best to meet in person especially if you aren't tall and good looking, but the fact still remains most of gen z meets online and that is based on looks
are you sure that goof ball nerd isn't just a friend when you see them together? or just a guy that thinks he has a chance and she's getting a free dinner or she was bored and wanted some attention? just because a guy is seen alone with a girl out in public doesn't mean he is actually getting what he wants from her
social media and dating apps gives girls endless options they didn't have 20 years ago, she doesn't have to settle for the quirky guy in real line when the non quirky guy is in her DMs
the average girl on dating apps gets hundreds if not thousands of matches, while the average guy gets nothing if you don't count bots
our culture and society has changed a lot within the last 10 years, for the worst
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meeting online is how most young people meet these days, so a man's looks are more important than ever
online all they can go by is how he looks in pictures, and according to data they consider 80% of men to be below average looking
they actually broke up and this ginger ex was a suspect, she more than likely upgraded before her demise hence him being a suspect
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OK........ ??? ::) ;D
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JzTFj20k/pripe.jpg)
ROFL!
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Nope, not like he pulled it out on the first date or upon meeting, she def found him attractive
People need to face the facts a lot of these girls like nerds, and geeks, not bbers who bum off of others
High status among his peers would make him attractive to girls.