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Reat TRT Brian, not a gram or two... Thats a cycle, not TRT...
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/tip-long-term-trt-safe-and-healthy/
The German drug company Bayer just released a study on the effects of 11 years of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) on a large group of men and the results might make even the most needle-phobic among us want to drop trou.
The study found that men who received TRT not only got healthier in a lot of ways, but they also lived longer, too.
Granted, there were a couple of things about the study that deserve a little extra scrutiny. For one, the specific TRT drug they used for the duration of the study was Nebido, an injectable version of a comparatively little-known testosterone ester named testosterone undecanoate (TU). (BUT, "test is test" as they say).
This drug has some interesting pharmacodynamics that differentiate it from other testosterone esters, but I'll get into that later. More importantly, Bayer, who manufactures Nebido, paid for the study and just about everyone involved in the study including Axel, the guy whose job it was to keep track of whether to inject in the right butt cheek or the left butt cheek, was on their payroll.
Still, the results don't really seem to conflict with the results of smaller TRT studies so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Bottom line, the results appear to be good news for men.
Most studies also use gen-pop (AKA "Fat stinking kvnts") very unhealthy people...
(https://www.t-nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Long-Term-TRT-Safe-and-Healthy.jpeg)
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I was on trt for 10 years and then got off for 2 years. I got back on 6 months ago and feel great.Wake up with a massive boner every morning.ok massive is subjective but by god it’s there. I feel so much better I didn’t even realize I felt bad until now.And yeah 100 mg a week not a hanky trt
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I was on trt for 10 years and then got off for 2 years. I got back on 6 months ago and feel great.Wake up with a massive boner every morning.ok massive is subjective but by god it’s there. I feel so much better I didn’t even realize I felt bad until now.And yeah 100 mg a week not a hanky trt
Hahaha “massive is subjective”. Glad to hear you are feeling great cook. Enjoy the massive boners.
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Hahaha “massive is subjective”. Glad to hear you are feeling great cook. Enjoy the massive boners.
haha thanks buddy
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I’ve been on it for 6 years I think. Started with the gel but hated it because my youngest was in diapers and I always felt like I’d get it on him while changing diapers. Got my PCP to give me injectable 100mg week of cyp and haven’t looked back. I started a little earlier than I think most do, but with the stress I deal with I believe it helped me greatly. Keeps me fit and sharp as well as gives me an “edge”.
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iIntradasting ...although Nebido is made by Bayer :D
(https://www.hghvallartaclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/nebido-new.jpg)
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TRT was great but LH and FSH crashed and rendered the whole TRT thing useless for me
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Hahaha “massive is subjective”. Glad to hear you are feeling great cook. Enjoy the massive boners.
Massive Cook with his Massive Cock
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iIntradasting ...although Nebido is made by Bayer :D
They do mention that on the site, that the whole study was funded by Bayer...
But its only TRT, when kept in-range, and used by healthy people, I cannot see any way that it is unhealthy.
Unless of course people get sides like could happen with any drug, food, supplement, etc... Outlier's...
Plus bloodwork is done a few times a year to keep an eye on the basics...
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Depends whether you really have low T (only a small % of men are low T).
Most are on it for the same reason they took (and/or are also taking) illegal steroids, i.e. to have muscles and lift more weight.
You have guys in their 30s-50s on TRT. ::)
Rationalization at its finest.
Regarding the study, why would you believe a study funded by Bayer for its test drug and doubt a study by Pfizer for the Covid vax?
Well, you would if it fits in with your personal desire which is to take anabolic steroids guilt-free and perhaps paid by your health insurance.
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Depends whether you really have low T (only a small % of men are low T).
Most are on it for the same reason they took (and/or are also taking) illegal steroids, i.e. to have muscles and lift more weight.
You have guys in their 30s-50s on TRT. ::)
Rationalization at its finest.
Regarding the study, why would you believe a study funded by Bayer for its test drug and doubt a study by Pfizer for the Covid vax?
Well, you would if it fits in with your personal desire which is to take anabolic steroids guilt-free and perhaps paid by your health insurance.
Well it should be mentioned Bayer did not make a vaccine and Pfizer doesn’t offer trt (at least that I’m aware of) so it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
Plus we know that Pfizer is run by satanist’s who want to enslave the world and Bayer is a publicly traded company looking out for the best interests of its shareholders and their customers.
So outside of that I get your point.
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Well it should be mentioned Bayer did not make a vaccine and Pfizer doesn’t offer trt (at least that I’m aware of) so it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
Plus we know that Pfizer is run by satanist’s who want to enslave the world and Bayer is a publicly traded company looking out for the best interests of its shareholders and their customers.
So outside of that I get your point.
Good point.
Also, Pfizer is an American company and Bayer is a German company.
Most antivaxxers are “far right” so they love Germany and Hitler and hate America.
No hypocrisy whatsoever!
🙂
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Well it should be mentioned Bayer did not make a vaccine and Pfizer doesn’t offer trt (at least that I’m aware of) so it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
You lost me there, Dave. ???
Each company makes a drug they support with their own study. That's the comparison.
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Depends whether you really have low T (only a small % of men are low T).
Most are on it for the same reason they took (and/or are also taking) illegal steroids, i.e. to have muscles and lift more weight.
You have guys in their 30s-50s on TRT. ::)
Rationalization at its finest.
Regarding the study, why would you believe a study funded by Bayer for its test drug and doubt a study by Pfizer for the Covid vax?
Well, you would if it fits in with your personal desire which is to take anabolic steroids guilt-free and perhaps paid by your health insurance.
In range TRT doesn't build any muscle or strength (for trained people) it probably does for the lame/untrained.
I gained zero muscle, strength while on "in-range" TRT (.5 cc) (700-800ng total or so) I was at 250 ng before going on, which is low.
Libido is better, waist tightened up a bit. But I also train very hard.
You'd be very surprised if you saw the test levels of 30-tr olds these days, very pathetic and low.
Tons of people dont need it, but then its not real TRT, its cycling.
I know youre anti-TRT, but if youve never used it, I think its hard to talk facts.
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1cc a week made hendos heart pop like a grape
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1cc a week made hendos heart pop like a grape
No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol
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No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol
how much do you run?
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how much do you run?
He can't be has titanium knees ;D
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Prime is on 100mg a week and he’s healthier and hornier than ever
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In range TRT doesn't build any muscle or strength (for trained people) it probably does for the lame/untrained.
I gained zero muscle, strength while on "in-range" TRT (.5 cc) (700-800ng total or so) I was at 250 ng before going on, which is low.
Libido is better, waist tightened up a bit. But I also train very hard.
You'd be very surprised if you saw the test levels of 30-tr olds these days, very pathetic and low.
Tons of people dont need it, but then its not real TRT, its cycling.
I know youre anti-TRT, but if youve never used it, I think its hard to talk facts.
I'm not anti-trt if it is truly warranted.
I just don't like the bs with people who don't need it saying they do so they can get swole.
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There is TRT and there is Bhanky TRT.
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Prime is on 100mg a week and he’s healthier and hornier than ever
Has he been blowing up your inbox since you posted your torso pic?
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I'm not anti-trt if it is truly warranted.
I just don't like the bs with people who don't need it saying they do so they can get swole.
A lot of nattys jealous of the gains made by gear users.
Just console yourself with the fact that you don’t have to sweat effects or have your physique dependent on gear.
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TRT in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle is probably safe and maybe even life-extending. Your average fatso American with a sedentary lifestyle and booze habit should not get on TRT.
Just my opinion
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No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol
thanks dr.hank , great to know dehydration causes poor ejection ratio x muscular hypertrophy of the heart
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combined with quarterly venesections yes.
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No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol
It’s not assuming.you have admitted it on here and other forums.
Your TRT is 500 mg a week it’s subjective so it’s considered TRT in your book
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My best friend is an Endocrinologist, has like 7 degrees in medicine.
He's considered an expert in his field and works at State level legislation to speak about TRT and other hormone alterations.
For 10 years i gave blood every 90 days and took anywhere from 50mg of Test per week to 300mg of Test per week.
My health profiles were almost perfect compared to over 100k case studies.
TRT is fine if you don't have existing conditions.
Any male over 50 would benefit from it.
You just can't use it as an excuse to blast 500mg per week like our local village idiot. Nobody has ever been prescribed 500mg per week by a real Doctor, that's from an anti-aging clinic in Florida.
On 50mg every 4 days my values are absolutely perfect.
But i follow a good diet and exercise regularly. Blood work every 90-120 days.
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And we come to the place we always come to in these threads where Bhanky could easily clearly clarify but doesn’t.
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Been on Test for at least 7 years. Started with the gel, moved to the pellets and that's where I have been since. For me, approaching 61 this next week, it gives me what I need. It may not be for everyone but it is something I like
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Been on Test for at least 7 years. Started with the gel, moved to the pellets and that's where I have been since. For me, approaching 61 this next week, it gives me what I need. It may not be for everyone but it is something I like
What do you think would happen if you quit? Low energy?
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What do you think would happen if you quit? Low energy?
My experience..based on extending the treatment a couple of months past my due time due to traveling has been
reduced libido
reduced energy
Mood effected
Could that all be psychological? Absolutely. But it was there
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Ben Chow will stay on TRT and stay tiny.
The old guy they used to use in ads, was not on "TRT" (500 to a gram).
Dennis Wolf and company are on real TRT (tiny tits).
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Ben Chow will stay on TRT and stay tiny.
The old guy they used to use in ads, was not on "TRT" (500 to a gram).
Dennis Wolf and company are on real TRT (tiny tits).
You think Dennis is "tiny" now?
Almost no one in the instagram fitness space is on TRT. Ben Chow, if you're serious, absolutely not, not even close. He tries to bodybuild even though his kidneys are failing.
If I were to guess, some of these guys try to reduce the androgens and compensate with GH and insulin.
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If TRT didn't have positive effects people wouldn't take it.
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If TRT didn't have positive effects people wouldn't take it.
You could say the same thing about heroin
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is a PSA test part of the regular bloodwork being done?
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You could say the same thing about heroin
Heroin is a great anesthetic.
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My best friend is an Endocrinologist, has like 7 degrees in medicine.
He's considered an expert in his field and works at State level legislation to speak about TRT and other hormone alterations.
For 10 years i gave blood every 90 days and took anywhere from 50mg of Test per week to 3000mg of Test per week.
My health profiles were almost perfect compared to over 100k case studies.
TRT is fine if you don't have existing conditions.
Any male over 50 would benefit from it.
You just can't use it as an excuse to blast 500mg per week like our local village idiot. Nobody has ever been prescribed 500mg per week by a real Doctor, that's from an anti-aging clinic in Florida.
On 50mg every 4 days my values are absolutely perfect.
But i follow a good diet and exercise regularly. Blood work every 90-120 days.
Do you notice significant size and strength differences on 100mg a week which is essentially 50mg every 4 days?
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No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol
Also Amazing everyone on here thinks you're a complete Khvnt, Liar & Retard
why does every one assume that Bianca
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Also Amazing everyone on here thinks you're a complete Khvnt, Liar & Retard
why does every one assume that Bianca
Because most of you are Just a bunch of jealous old slobs by all means prove me wrong you can’t
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is a PSA test part of the regular bloodwork being done?
for me it is
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Because most of you are Just a bunch of jealous old slobs by all means prove me wrong you can’t
Ha Ha Ha Jealous of you - Clearly you're on drugs & your self grander
Delusion is running very high.
Jealous of a Liar, Quitter, Cuckold, Arse bleeding shitter,Loser, Never won at anything.
Wife Beater, Torn & Atrophied Body, weak Pathetic Faggott Specimen -
OH Yes I'm sure many are so Envious Ha Ha HA
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Do you notice significant size and strength differences on 100mg a week which is essentially 50mg every 4 days?
Not at all.
When i had been cycling gear and lifting/eating good for a few years and dropped down to real TRT, i lost quite a bit of size but still looked great.
When i took 3 years off gear and lifting, then got on real TRT i didn't make any exceptional gains, hardly any. It took 6-8 months of consistent training/eating before i looked decent again.
Real TRT is not going to put mass on you, it gives you a small strength boost, more like a stamina boost and you might gain 5 pounds of water.
I've been on 50mg of Test E E4D for over a year and barely workout, more into outdoor biking, mountain climbing and long distance hiking. I look great for my age but nobody is going to accuse me of using steroids. ;D
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for me it is
It should be standard, but i have to ask for it sometimes.
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Not at all.
When i had been cycling gear and lifting/eating good for a few years and dropped down to real TRT, i lost quite a bit of size but still looked great.
When i took 3 years off gear and lifting, then got on real TRT i didn't make any exceptional gains, hardly any. It took 6-8 months of consistent training/eating before i looked decent again.
Real TRT is not going to put mass on you, it gives you a small strength boost, more like a stamina boost and you might gain 5 pounds of water.
I've been on 50mg of Test E E4D for over a year and barely workout, more into outdoor biking, mountain climbing and long distance hiking. I look great for my age but nobody is going to accuse me of using steroids. ;D
Most on TRT are on it for energy and sex, not bodybuilding.
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In range TRT doesn't build any muscle or strength (for trained people) it probably does for the lame/untrained.
I gained zero muscle, strength while on "in-range" TRT (.5 cc) (700-800ng total or so) I was at 250 ng before going on, which is low.
Libido is better, waist tightened up a bit. But I also train very hard.
You'd be very surprised if you saw the test levels of 30-tr olds these days, very pathetic and low.
Tons of people dont need it, but then its not real TRT, its cycling.
I know youre anti-TRT, but if youve never used it, I think its hard to talk facts.
That’s why you do trt+ stay in that 1000-1300 range.
Bench
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In range TRT doesn't build any muscle or strength (for trained people) it probably does for the lame/untrained.
I gained zero muscle, strength while on "in-range" TRT (.5 cc) (700-800ng total or so) I was at 250 ng before going on, which is low.
Libido is better, waist tightened up a bit. But I also train very hard.
You'd be very surprised if you saw the test levels of 30-tr olds these days, very pathetic and low.
Tons of people dont need it, but then its not real TRT, its cycling.
I know youre anti-TRT, but if youve never used it, I think its hard to talk facts.
.5cc once a week or once a month?
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In range TRT doesn't build any muscle or strength (for trained people) it probably does for the lame/untrained.
I gained zero muscle, strength while on "in-range" TRT (.5 cc) (700-800ng total or so) I was at 250 ng before going on, which is low.
Libido is better, waist tightened up a bit. But I also train very hard.
You'd be very surprised if you saw the test levels of 30-tr olds these days, very pathetic and low.
Tons of people dont need it, but then its not real TRT, its cycling.
I know youre anti-TRT, but if youve never used it, I think its hard to talk facts.
So, if you stopped your TRT you would still be just as strong as you are now on TRT, even though your test level would go from 700-800 down to 250?
Your ability to train hard and recover would not change?
That is interesting but seems to defy logic.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/taking-testosterone-doesn-t-increase-heart-disease-risk-why-researchers-are-still-wary/ar-AA1cDtNW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=322d166c59574625b60f202b371f2cc2&ei=115
Been on for 15yrs and 0 problems. Scared of Test and want to be an estrogen soaked middle aged guy , go for it. I have a better physique than the majority of guys in my gym in their 20's and 30's and I'm 52. 8)
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TRT was great but LH and FSH crashed and rendered the whole TRT thing useless for me
FSH can be managed with HCG or the alternative. Which is why that is included in the protocol blueprint for all the HRT/TRT/anti aging clinics down here.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/taking-testosterone-doesn-t-increase-heart-disease-risk-why-researchers-are-still-wary/ar-AA1cDtNW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=322d166c59574625b60f202b371f2cc2&ei=115
Been on for 15yrs and 0 problems. Scared of Test and want to be an estrogen soaked middle aged guy , go for it. I have a better physique than the majority of guys in my gym in their 20's and 30's and I'm 52. 8)
good for you, I will probably be on it at your age.
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So, do we have a sweet spot dosage where you see some bodybuilding gains without commensurate downside risk?
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So, if you stopped your TRT you would still be just as strong as you are now on TRT, even though your test level would go from 700-800 down to 250?
Your ability to train hard and recover would not change?
That is interesting but seems to defy logic.
I'm the same strength (I gained zero strength on it). I was stronger when younger of course (and natty).
You dont "feel" TRT, except maybe well-being and libido (if lacking). Everyone thinks Test is be-all, end-all... It's really not (at TRT doses).
Like when a teen has a high test-level, doesnt mean he'll bench 300 or put on tons of muscle, its very unique for all..
Recovery is much more than test, many get insomnia and shitty sleep on TRT (anxiety, etc)
Everyone reacts differently. The "logic" being spewed everyone thinks they'll turn into a huge BB being in-range, just on "TRT".
The vets who do it, laugh and know otherwise. Tons drop it because they see no changes, and dont want to up the dose to the dark-side.
ProHormones are 20X stronger than TRT (maybe more).
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So, do we have a sweet spot dosage where you see some bodybuilding gains without commensurate downside risk?
I think it depends on a lot of things, but for me i didn't have any noticeable sides until 400-500mg per week, and the sides were minimal like elevated blood pressure and oily skin.
I'd say the benefits start around 250mg per week, but if you want real gains, 500mg per week.
There is always a risk, but i never had any issues using 500 or less.
I got in the best shape (not size) of my life using 200mg Test and 300mg Deca per week for a Summer cycle, started with some Anavar for 6 weeks i think.
Test isn't that hard on your body, but i would stay very far away from Tren and other heavy androgens.
These days i'd only recommend Test with a little Deca or Dbol.
Pretty docile cycle to be honest.
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I'm the same strength (I gained zero strength on it). I was stronger when younger of course (and natty).
You dont "feel" TRT, except maybe well-being and libido (if lacking). Everyone thinks Test is be-all, end-all... It's really not (at TRT doses).
Like when a teen has a high test-level, doesnt mean he'll bench 300 or put on tons of muscle, its very unique for all..
Recovery is much more than test, many get insomnia and shitty sleep on TRT (anxiety, etc)
Everyone reacts differently. The "logic" being spewed everyone thinks they'll turn into a huge BB being in-range, just on "TRT".
The vets who do it, laugh and know otherwise. Tons drop it because they see no changes, and dont want to up the dose to the dark-side.
ProHormones are 20X stronger than TRT (maybe more).
Only thing i noticed on real TRT is libido increase.
You aren't going to gain shit on TRT.
My 74 year old dad is on TRT at a whopping 155 pounds. ;D
He can hit a mean 7 iron though...
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Only thing i noticed on real TRT is libido increase.
You aren't going to gain shit on TRT.
My 74 year old dad is on TRT at a whopping 155 pounds. ;D
He can hit a mean 7 iron though...
is your dad b Hankins?
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It's 2023.
We still believe in "studies" by Big Pharma???????
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It's 2023.
We still believe in "studies" by Big Pharma???????
It's only a true study if you want it to be.
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I think it depends on a lot of things, but for me i didn't have any noticeable sides until 400-500mg per week, and the sides were minimal like elevated blood pressure and oily skin.
I'd say the benefits start around 250mg per week, but if you want real gains, 500mg per week.
There is always a risk, but i never had any issues using 500 or less.
I got in the best shape (not size) of my life using 200mg Test and 300mg Deca per week for a Summer cycle, started with some Anavar for 6 weeks i think.
Test isn't that hard on your body, but i would stay very far away from Tren and other heavy androgens.
These days i'd only recommend Test with a little Deca or Dbol.
Pretty docile cycle to be honest.
Thanks. My cycle back in the day was a little Deca and Anavar.
A guy in the gym said it was like drinking 2 beers a day. That was the winning sales pitch.😂
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It's 2023.
We still believe in "studies" by Big Pharma???????
Is there a specific issue you have with the study or how it was conducted? Or are you just posting your personal feelings?
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FSH can be managed with HCG or the alternative. Which is why that is included in the protocol blueprint for all the HRT/TRT/anti aging clinics down here.
I have used anywhere from 180mg to 600mg test e, p, and c a week for years and am still having kids..but I’ve done HCG 3x a week the whole time as well.
Bench
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It's 2023.
We still believe in "studies" by Big Pharma???????
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!
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I honestly do not think you can bodybuild or even retain decent muscle mass / hypertrophy on true TRT amounts.
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I honestly do not think you can bodybuild or even retain decent muscle mass / hypertrophy on true TRT amounts.
From my understanding, when you take test exogenously, your body shuts down some production. So, you would have to take a pretty high dosage to make a big difference from a bodybuilding standpoint.
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Reat TRT Brian, not a gram or two... Thats a cycle, not TRT...
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/tip-long-term-trt-safe-and-healthy/
The German drug company Bayer just released a study on the effects of 11 years of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) on a large group of men and the results might make even the most needle-phobic among us want to drop trou.
The study found that men who received TRT not only got healthier in a lot of ways, but they also lived longer, too.
Granted, there were a couple of things about the study that deserve a little extra scrutiny. For one, the specific TRT drug they used for the duration of the study was Nebido, an injectable version of a comparatively little-known testosterone ester named testosterone undecanoate (TU). (BUT, "test is test" as they say).
This drug has some interesting pharmacodynamics that differentiate it from other testosterone esters, but I'll get into that later. More importantly, Bayer, who manufactures Nebido, paid for the study and just about everyone involved in the study including Axel, the guy whose job it was to keep track of whether to inject in the right butt cheek or the left butt cheek, was on their payroll.
Still, the results don't really seem to conflict with the results of smaller TRT studies so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Bottom line, the results appear to be good news for men.
Most studies also use gen-pop (AKA "Fat stinking kvnts") very unhealthy people...
(https://www.t-nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Long-Term-TRT-Safe-and-Healthy.jpeg)
I have been on a low dose TRT for decades now with no ill side effects. Currently taking between .75 and 1ml a week per doctor's orders. For a geezer turning 79 years in a couple of months, I am incredibly (physically) healthy. Did labs for an upcoming physical and everything is right where it should be which means it is well within range. Obviously, I am not needle-phobic after all this time of sticking a 22g into muscle tissue... currently upper thighs because contortions aren't needed like when I pinned my glutes.
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I have been on a low dose TRT for decades now with no ill side effects. Currently taking between .75 and 1ml a week per doctor's orders. For a geezer turning 79 years in a couple of months, I am incredibly (physically) healthy. Did labs for an upcoming physical and everything is right where it should be which means it is well within range. Obviously, I am not needle-phobic after all this time of sticking a 22g into muscle tissue... currently upper thighs because contortions aren't needed like when I pinned my glutes.
22 gauge? Damn. Why not a 27g insulin pin?
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22 gauge? Damn. Why not a 27g insulin pin?
I remember using 22g most the time years ago and an 18g sometimes that was brutal. It is crazy how smoothly test flows thru a insulin pin these days cause back in the day I remember trying to use an insulin pin and the pin would just blow off the syringe form the pressure.
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I remember using 22g most the time years ago and an 18g sometimes that was brutal. It is crazy how smoothly test flows thru a insulin pin these days cause back in the day I remember trying to use an insulin pin and the pin would just blow off the syringe form the pressure.
18g? Holy hell!
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18g? Holy hell!
(https://cdn.shocho.co/sc-image/a/5/b/f/a5bf419567aee9910955f0ccceaafcb7.jpg?i10c=img.resize(width:800,height:800))
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18g? Holy hell!
I accidentally did that once. I use an 18 to draw the test out of the bottle and forgot to change it over. I hit that thing and new immediately what happened. I went through with it though
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I've used a couple 23g's in the glutes back in the 90's. Absolutely not necessary. 25g's work great for quads and delts. Slin pins are great and can pretty much go into any body part within reason. FFS Prime, I cannot imagine a 22g going into my quad. Ouch.
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I accidentally did that once. I use an 18 to draw the test out of the bottle and forgot to change it over. I hit that thing and new immediately what happened. I went through with it though
Yeah 18 is brutal, I bled like a stuck pig each time.
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I've used a couple 23g's in the glutes back in the 90's. Absolutely not necessary. 25g's work great for quads and delts. Slin pins are great and can pretty much go into any body part within reason. FFS Prime, I cannot imagine a 22g going into my quad. Ouch.
I've been using slin pins for years.
21g was the largest i used.
I'd never use anything larger than 25g.
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Yeah 18 is brutal, I bled like a stuck pig each time.
Jeezus! I freak out over small needles. I think I'd pass out over an 18g.
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I would never do it, natty 4 life
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I always use a 23 G.
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I would never do it, natty 4 life
Fuck off pamith.
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I have been on a low dose TRT for decades now with no ill side effects. Currently taking between .75 and 1ml a week per doctor's orders. For a geezer turning 79 years in a couple of months, I am incredibly (physically) healthy. Did labs for an upcoming physical and everything is right where it should be which means it is well within range. Obviously, I am not needle-phobic after all this time of sticking a 22g into muscle tissue... currently upper thighs because contortions aren't needed like when I pinned my glutes.
If you don't mind me asking what is your test numbers as reflected on your labs? Do they measure free test as well?
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Fuck off pamith.
BRO...
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I have been on a low dose TRT for decades now with no ill side effects. Currently taking between .75 and 1ml a week per doctor's orders. For a geezer turning 79 years in a couple of months, I am incredibly (physically) healthy. Did labs for an upcoming physical and everything is right where it should be which means it is well within range. Obviously, I am not needle-phobic after all this time of sticking a 22g into muscle tissue... currently upper thighs because contortions aren't needed like when I pinned my glutes.
Upper thighs are the easiest to hit. Though I frequently jump up a bit as the needle hits a nerve.
For some reason many very experienced guys warn against thigh injections. Remember gh15 also said never to do thighs, gear goes in the glutes and delts.
Using an insulin pin to inject steroids is great, if you're using an insulin syringe. Otherwise it's hard work/impossible imo. If I inject with an insulin syringe I can only fit 1ml in there so no good for bb doses.
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Fuck off pamith.
Bro...
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Upper thighs are the easiest to hit. Though I frequently jump up a bit as the needle hits a nerve.
For some reason many very experienced guys warn against thigh injections. Remember gh15 also said never to do thighs, gear goes in the glutes and delts.
Using an insulin pin to inject steroids is great, if you're using an insulin syringe. Otherwise it's hard work/impossible imo. If I inject with an insulin syringe I can only fit 1ml in there so no good for bb doses.
For me it was always triceps that were the easiest. Went in like butter. I hated thighs and glutes and shoulders.
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I never pin the upper body if you have an issue you want it somewhere it can not be seen. Always pin large muscles glutes or quads only
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I never pin the upper body if you have an issue you want it somewhere it can not be seen. Always pin large muscles glutes or quads only
So where do you pin seeing as neither of those two are large muscles on you?
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So where do you pin seeing as neither of those two are large muscles on you?
Brian normally takes a prick up the arse
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I never pin the upper body if you have an issue you want it somewhere it can not be seen. Always pin large muscles glutes or quads only
'large muscles'
haha talk me through that champ
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Bro...
FUCK OFF PAMITH.
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FUCK OFF PAMITH.
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For me it was always triceps that were the easiest. Went in like butter. I hated thighs and glutes and shoulders.
You're still reaching over the body, somewhat uncomfortable, and if doing several mls at least I tire in my fingers. I like to use my palm to press through smaller gauge needles. But people have their favorites, someone else might put everthing in his traps or upper chest or whatever but those are pretty uncommon.
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Fuck off pamith.
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I pin everywhere..with 27 gauge insulin needs..do NOT pin my glutes though..arms are too short
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I think a big problem most people have when going on TRT (or reducing their current cycles to TRT level amounts) is after they get the initial benefits they are thinking 'I'm on the juice' (well yeah, but...) and start training harder than they can recover. Which is why they see little to no gains.
If your numbers are in the 1200 range, you should be able to maintain a solid built look to you. Not competition standards, but one that indicates you are above average in build and fitness.
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I think a big problem most people have when going on TRT (or reducing their current cycles to TRT level amounts) is after they get the initial benefits they are thinking 'I'm on the juice' (well yeah, but...) and start training harder than they can recover. Which is why they see little to no gains.
If your numbers are in the 1200 range, you should be able to maintain a solid built look to you. Not competition standards, but one that indicates you are above average in build and fitness.
Maybe. But at the same time IMO very few people train really hard. They may be in the gym too many days a week and such which is counterproductive.
I've said that IMO steroids often make you tolerate LESS volume strangely. Some have agreed but not many. Seen it a bunch of times.
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Maybe. But at the same time IMO very few people train really hard. They may be in the gym too many days a week and such which is counterproductive.
I've said that IMO steroids often make you tolerate LESS volume strangely. Some have agreed but not many. Seen it a bunch of times.
I run and swim everyday along with lifting..I can say that my volume as far as lifting goes has not been affected..but the higher the dose, the slower I run and swim..I can still do the long distance stuff..but it takes me dramatically longer. I have friends who completely lose volume and live off of intensity the higher test goes.
Now, if I do 200mg test and 600mg equipoise? Different story! Really the only things that kill volume and cardio for me and the people I’m close to are GH and test itself…when in higher doses.
As long as I stay in the 180-250mg/week range I make gains in running, swimming, and lifting.
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My buddy has been on 100mgs of trt weekly at 50mgs every 3.5 days. And he has gotten jakkked. He went from 185 at 5’10 to 215 in 5 months. Much more vascular, leaner,bigger looks like he did when he was taking 250mgs of test a week 20 years ago. He got huge off 250 and he got huge off 100, he is 42 and eats clean but alot and trains prob 6 days a week. He would never do anything besides test cause he’s afraid and always has been. His blood work shows his test at 24 hours at 1050 and at 72 hours at 675ish. E2 is around 40. He says he feels great and is hard all the time.
Know another guy on 150 a week at 50 and he’s jacked as fuck too.
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Lmfao at "hard all the time".
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Lmfao at "hard all the time".
Hahaha he is, my wife is good friends with his wife and she says he’s insatiable. And she does his shots for him and says it .25cc twice a week. So I guess for what everyone here is saying he’s just a great responder.
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Hahaha he is, my wife is good friends with his wife and she says he’s insatiable. And she does his shots for him and says it .25cc twice a week. So I guess for what everyone here is saying he’s just a great responder.
At 180mg of test a week I stay at close to 1300..people don’t realize how much it gives you.
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Problem with TRT is once you start you also start needing to take a ton of other things to help regulate the other now out of whack hormones the TRT creates...
but at least Test is normalized..lol
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100mgs per week subcutaneous into skin on glutes or upper thigh been doing it for over ten years off and on now, you guys are crazy IM low dose its not needed your just injuring your old muscles. Works a treat if I told you my stats you would accuse me of lying so I wont. you can hold plenty with TRT you just can't get full hard and contest lean, but you can hold good size and shape, with abs all day, you just wont get that androgenic fullness or hardness that comes from high androgens that's not TRT.
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Problem with TRT is once you start you also start needing to take a ton of other things to help regulate the other now out of whack hormones the TRT creates...
but at least Test is normalized..lol
In what way? What else do you need?
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Celebrate drug use.
Be proud of yourself.
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100mgs per week subcutaneous into skin on glutes or upper thigh been doing it for over ten years off and on now, you guys are crazy IM low dose its not needed your just injuring your old muscles. Works a treat if I told you my stats you would accuse me of lying so I wont. you can hold plenty with TRT you just can't get full hard and contest lean, but you can hold good size and shape, with abs all day, you just wont get that androgenic fullness or hardness that comes from high androgens that's not TRT.
I usually do 60mg Subq 3x a week..never needed an AI, never needed to donate blood..never had a single negative health marker
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In what way? What else do you need?
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TRT causes LH and FSH to go to 0
TRT causes elevated SHBG
TRT causes elevated Prolactin
TRT causes elevated Estradiol
TRT causes elevated RBC and Hemocrit
etc...etc...etc..
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TRT causes LH and FSH to go to 0
TRT causes elevated SHBG
TRT causes elevated Prolactin
TRT causes elevated Estradiol
TRT causes elevated RBC and Hemocrit
etc...etc...etc..
explain in detail how each one of those affects you please
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TRT causes LH and FSH to go to 0
TRT causes elevated SHBG
TRT causes elevated Prolactin
TRT causes elevated Estradiol
TRT causes elevated RBC and Hemocrit
etc...etc...etc..
Again, with trt none of those have ever been a concern but the first 2..so, if you still want kids just use HCG for clomid.
You are waaay overthinking this..this isn’t a cycle..it’s replacement or replacement +
The red blood cells are only an issue with bolus injections (1x a week)
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TRT causes elevated SHBG
Usually the opposite. A higher SHBG individual can cut SHBG in half with TRT. There are low shbg guys that have to inject everyday because of their shbg, so clearly testosterone isn’t raising theirs either.
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Again, with trt none of those have ever been a concern but the first 2..so, if you still want kids just use HCG for clomid.
You are waaay overthinking this..this isn’t a cycle..it’s replacement or replacement +
The red blood cells are only an issue with bolus injections (1x a week)
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clomid is a horrible drug , i would rather take meth x acid
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clomid is a horrible drug , i would rather take meth x acid
Agreed..I never take it..just HCG
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Again, with trt none of those have ever been a concern but the first 2..so, if you still want kids just use HCG for clomid.
You are waaay overthinking this..this isn’t a cycle..it’s replacement or replacement +
The red blood cells are only an issue with bolus injections (1x a week)
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Still want kids and taking TRT? Hasn’t that time passed if it’s time for TRT? (Except very rare situations)
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Still want kids and taking TRT? Hasn’t that time passed if it’s time for TRT? (Except very rare situations)
I’ve had 2 on it..
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Still want kids and taking TRT? Hasn’t that time passed if it’s time for TRT? (Except very rare situations)
I used so much gear when I was younger that I really had no choice in my early 30’s to start running trt..at first I just did HCG alone and got my test to almost 700..and then I got on test and made a couple of kids
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I used so much gear when I was younger that I really had no choice in my early 30’s to start running trt..at first I just did HCG alone and got my test to almost 700..and then I got on test and made a couple of kids
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so still doing HCG with TRT? what dose?
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so still doing HCG with TRT? what dose?
250iu 3x a week
It’s enough to keep and enhance my natural production
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so still doing HCG with TRT? what dose?
Places here in FL don't give HCG with their protocol/program anymore. Apparently the FDA cracked down over it because it was diminishing overall supply and now they are offering Gonadorelin alternatives. Not sure whether people prefer this or not, but from what I understand it isn't as good. But it does arrive already constituted and you don't have to keep it cold.
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I’ve had 2 on it..
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You have your kids taking TRT?
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I’ve had 2 on it..
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Did they grow up big and strong?
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Did they grow up big and strong?
They are 1 and 4 so time will tell
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You have your kids taking TRT?
;)
I’m not bostin loyd
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They are 1 and 4 so time will tell
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Congrats! What was your HCG dose and frequency if you don’t mind me asking
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Congrats! What was your HCG dose and frequency if you don’t mind me asking
250iu 3x a week when using 180-250mg of test a week
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250iu 3x a week when using 180-250mg of test a week
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Nice!
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FUCK OFF PAMITH.
My nikka
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Call me crazy, idc, but I'm disgusted by this thread, disgusted. Whatever happened to being natty? Whatever happened to having some integrity? Smh.
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Call me crazy, idc, but I'm disgusted by this thread, disgusted. Whatever happened to being natty? Whatever happened to having some integrity? Smh.
Drown yourself in a tub of bleach. With all due respect.
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Call me crazy, idc, but I'm disgusted by this thread, disgusted. Whatever happened to being natty? Whatever happened to having some integrity? Smh.
Who the hell wants to be natty?
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nothing wrong with either,,, natty or gear... you do you.... 57 and lifetime natural... all but 2 training buddies were using... didn't care.. made great gains and maintaining for a long ass time...... and as the years go by,,, and i start to feel my age... hell yeah,,, it will be trt all the way,,,
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I am currently using enclomiphene as TRT. 4 months in and am very happy with results. 1st set of labs were also very positive.