Hollywood and Liberals in general heads are exploding since the release of this. Wife and I are going to see it tomorrow
Hollywood and Liberals in general heads are exploding since the release of this. Wife and I are going to see it tomorrow
Why would liberals have a problem with this movie?????
Why would liberals have a problem with this movie?????
This is not just a movie, this is a message that we all need to listen too. Protect our children. "God's children are not for sale".
And with this post Vincenzo confirms what we have long suspected: He is the Black Hole of Stupid.
Its a movie about child trafficking. They made not like Tim Ballard for obvious reasons but no-one is going to complain about a movie like that in public
messages like that are already trying to distance the kids from their parents
They dont belong to God they belong to you
messages like that are already trying to distance the kids from their parents
They dont belong to God they belong to you
"Disney owned the rights to this film with no plan to release it. Angel studios bought the rights. Took it to Amazon, got turned down. Took it to Netflix, got turned down. Decided to pre-sell tickets and was able to get it in 2600 theaters and beat out Disney’s Indiana Jones on July 4th. The film is based on a true story. “This is awesome.
Post by William Jennings
Indiana Jones Budget $294.7 million
Sound of Freedom Budget $15 million
Indiana Jones (Disney) released in around 4600 theatres
Sound of Freedom (Angel Studios) released in around 2600 theatres
Indiana Jones July 4 collection-11.5 million
Sound of Freedom July 4 gross collection 14million - BOOM!!!
"Disney owned the rights to this film with no plan to release it. Angel studios bought the rights. Took it to Amazon, got turned down. Took it to Netflix, got turned down. Decided to pre-sell tickets and was able to get it in 2600 theaters and beat out Disney’s Indiana Jones on July 4th. The film is based on a true story. “
Post by William Jennings
Indiana Jones Budget $294.7 million
Sound of Freedom Budget $15 million
Indiana Jones (Disney) released in around 4600 theatres
Sound of Freedom (Angel Studios) released in around 2600 theatres
Indiana Jones July 4 collection-11.5 million
Sound of Freedom July 4 gross collection 14million - BOOM!!!
I'll probably see this movie before I see Indiana Jones but...
A little context. SOF tickets were presale.
"It turns out that the day of the week that July 4 falls on can have a huge impact on how movies perform at the box office around the holiday. CNBC analyzed box office performance data from Box Office Mojo for the week of July 4 over the past 13 years.
“Most people are going to barbecues and fireworks displays,” said Bruce Nash, founder of Nash Information Services, which tracks the film industry. “So it tends to be very quiet for movies.”
Despite “The Sound of Freedom’s” impressive holiday run, the
latest “Indiana Jones” installment, which hit theaters on June 30, is outperforming the anti-child trafficking film overall. “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” has made more than $83 million domestically and more than $154 million worldwide during its first six days on screen, per Box Office Mojo
“The Flash,” which hit theaters on June 16, is also outperforming “The Sound of Freedom” overall. The superhero movie has made more than $101 million domestically and $247 million worldwide at the box office so far, according to Box Office Mojo.
The majority of “The Sound of Freedom” opening day profits came from pre-sales. In a press release sent to the Deseret News, Angel Studios revealed that ‘The Sound of Freedom” topped $10 million in pre-sales ahead of its July 4 theatrical release."
But again, I'm likely to see it rather than Jones. Sounds interesting
That's not how it works.
Indiana Jones made $60 million domestically and $70 million internationally during it's opening week-end.
It's production cost was estimated at $300 million ( when the budget is undisclosed, it usually means it's a VERY expensive movie. )
There is also the prints & advertising budget, which can vary considerably ( conservatively it should be ~ $100million minimum ) = So the movie roughly costed $400 million.
Now here's the deal : there is a thing called "multiplier" which is a film's total box office divided by its opening weekend box office.
As a rule of thumb, blockbuster movies typically average a 2,5x , maybe 2,75x multiplier.
Since the studios get 50% of ticket sales domestically and 25% internationally ( not even counting China ) , Indiana Jones' $130 million opening box-office gross means it would need at least need a MASSIVE 5.5x final multiplier just to cover it’s production and promotional costs.
Those are very rough estimates, but simply put : it's a flop.
It might be... but the last Indiana Jones grossed $800 million worldwide so we'll just have to wait and see. And if it's a flop, no sweat off my brow. But my post in my opinion, gives context to the post I quoted. If you disagree, that's cool..
Posting the 11 million vs 14 million.. that gave you zero pause?
I understand the context to your post and yes, I do agree with you.
Since the majority of “The Sound of Freedom” opening day profits came from pre-sales, the July 4 gross collection comparison was nonsense.
However, it does indicate that SOF has already good word-of-mouth and could easily gain traction and make a good profit.
I personnaly don't care about either movies, my point was that a movie's performance isn't based on raw numbers.
Take the Flash, for example. Despite making $262M at the worldwide box-office, the movie is actually performing VERY poorly.
With a budget of ~$220M and a conservative 2,5x multiplier, it can expect to make $350 million. There is one problem, though ; it needs at leat $600M to break even.
That's not how it works.
Indiana Jones made $60 million domestically and $70 million internationally during it's opening week-end.
It's production cost was estimated at $300 million ( when the budget is undisclosed, it usually means it's a VERY expensive movie.)
You also have the prints & advertising budget, which can vary considerably ( conservatively it should be ~ $100million minimum.)
The movie approximarively3 costed $400 million.
Now here's the deal : there is a thing called "multiplier" which is a film's total box office divided by its opening weekend box office.
As a rule of thumb, blockbuster movies typically average a 2,5x , maybe 2,75x multiplier.
Since the studios get 50% of ticket sales domestically and 25% internationally ( not even counting China ) , Indiana Jones' $130 million opening box-office gross means it would need at least need a MASSIVE 5.5x final multiplier just to cover it’s production and promotional costs.
Those are very rough estimates, but simply put : it's a flop.
Interesting. Great post.
Wife and I went to see it today. Pretty powerful. No matter what your emotions are coming out, it won’t be one of those movies you’ll forget anytime soon.
Here's a more accurate picture :
$45,668,594 grossed domestically in just 7 days of exploitation. For the sake of the argument, let's say it madr $35,668,594 minus pre-sales ( ~ $10M )
$4M on it's first day, minus pre-sales again, for a budget of $15M.
We'll see if the movie has legs or not ( how well a film holds onto its box office day to day and week to week. )
Excellent start for it's first week.
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"Disney owned the rights to this film with no plan to release it. Angel studios bought the rights. Took it to Amazon, got turned down. Took it to Netflix, got turned down. Decided to pre-sell tickets and was able to get it in 2600 theaters and beat out Disney’s Indiana Jones on July 4th. The film is based on a true story. “
Post by William Jennings
Indiana Jones Budget $294.7 million
Sound of Freedom Budget $15 million
Indiana Jones (Disney) released in around 4600 theatres
Sound of Freedom (Angel Studios) released in around 2600 theatres
Indiana Jones July 4 collection-11.5 million
Sound of Freedom July 4 gross collection 14million - BOOM!!!
"Disney owned the rights to this film with no plan to release it. Angel studios bought the rights. Took it to Amazon, got turned down. Took it to Netflix, got turned down. Decided to pre-sell tickets and was able to get it in 2600 theaters and beat out Disney’s Indiana Jones on July 4th. The film is based on a true story. “
Post by William Jennings
Indiana Jones Budget $294.7 million
Sound of Freedom Budget $15 million
Indiana Jones (Disney) released in around 4600 theatres
Sound of Freedom (Angel Studios) released in around 2600 theatres
Indiana Jones July 4 collection-11.5 million
Sound of Freedom July 4 gross collection 14million - BOOM!!!
Why do liberals hate this movie so much and trying to connect it to QAnon? I don't know if you been hearing but many reports of people trying to reserve tickets online and being told it's sold out. When they go to the movies and get a ticket they find the Sound of Freedom has many empty seats. Why is there an organized effort to hurt the profits of this movie? Others have reported the AC is being turned off. I will never understand liberals and their motives.
stop, no one gives a shit about this movie, and certainly no one is investing time norbrain cells to hate it . Hell no one gives a shit about any movie that's not marvel, or a nostalgia cash grab.
Why do liberals hate this movie so much and trying to connect it to QAnon? I don't know if you been hearing but many reports of people trying to reserve tickets online and being told it's sold out. When they go to the movies and get a ticket they find the Sound of Freedom has many empty seats. Why is there an organized effort to hurt the profits of this movie? Others have reported the AC is being turned off. I will never understand liberals and their motives.
Why do you dislike the movie? I haven’t seen it. Are there things?
Why do liberals hate this movie so much and trying to connect it to QAnon? I don't know if you been hearing but many reports of people trying to reserve tickets online and being told it's sold out. When they go to the movies and get a ticket they find the Sound of Freedom has many empty seats. Why is there an organized effort to hurt the profits of this movie? Others have reported the AC is being turned off. I will never understand liberals and their motives.
Pathetic, making up victories when they’re nonexistent. No one gives a shit about this
movie. And lol using Indiana jones as some sort of barometer in 2023, who gives a shit about a 50 year old franchise.
Really begging for crumbs huh
Liberals especially don’t give a shit about this movie because they celebrate child sex trafficking and the sexual exploitation of children.
the people behind the scenes have allowed it on the screens
You really think this all powerful illuminati that control the world cant stop a movie being shown?
come on, they are either in charge or they are not.
Liberals especially don’t give a shit about this movie because they celebrate child sex trafficking and the sexual exploitation of children.
The organization that the character in this movie later founded has spoke out against it. They and others that work or volunteer in addressing child trafficking said the movie paints a false picture of what child trafficking is for the most part and could be a negative impact for jurors when cases go to trial and the jurors are expecting to hear a young child was kidnapped off the streets when in fact the vast majority of child traffickers are known to the victim.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sound-of-freedom-child-trafficking-experts-1234786352/
Having said that, I may go see the movie and view it as a movie... not a documentary. It does sound interesting. I just hope it doesn't go too far into the Q anon lunacy
Like I said, the left hates this movie because they’re apart of it. Rolling Stone was the first to speak out against it…..so I’m sure you’ll go along with it.
Like I said, the left hates this movie because they’re apart of it. Rolling Stone was the first to speak out against it…..so I’m sure you’ll go along with it.
Pay these cretins no mind, brother. They are without honor and morality. They serve their ego and worse.
So you are saying the "left" are the organizations that deal with trafficking? Makes no damn sense. They live and breath it, and have concerns about the movies portrayal. That you don't get it.. is actually not surprising
What doesn’t make sense? Hollywood has been a melting pot for pedos for decades. Leftists pass laws to enable it. The southern border is wide open for trafficking. Under this administration there are 85,000 children that are unaccounted for.
LGBTQ - Left
Drag queens exploiting children - left
Easing of pedo laws - Left
Seriously, are that much in fucking denial. You claimed to be a cop in a state with the widest open borders for child trafficking and you’re seriously asking this question?
What doesn’t make sense? Hollywood has been a melting pot for pedos for decades. Leftists pass laws to enable it. The southern border is wide open for trafficking. Under this administration there are 85,000 children that are unaccounted for.
LGBTQ - Left
Drag queens exploiting children - left
Easing of pedo laws - Left
Seriously, are that much in fucking denial. You claimed to be a cop in a state with the widest open borders for child trafficking and you’re seriously asking this question?
Like I said, the left hates this movie because they’re apart of it. Rolling Stone was the first to speak out against it…..so I’m sure you’ll go along with it.
What doesn’t make sense? Hollywood has been a melting pot for pedos for decades. Leftists pass laws to enable it. The southern border is wide open for trafficking. Under this administration there are 85,000 children that are unaccounted for.actual pedos abusing hundred of thousands of kids in the church- the right
LGBTQ - Left
Drag queens exploiting children - left
Easing of pedo laws - Left
Seriously, are that much in fucking denial. You claimed to be a cop in a state with the widest open borders for child trafficking and you’re seriously asking this question?
What doesn’t make sense? Hollywood has been a melting pot for pedos for decades. Leftists pass laws to enable it. The southern border is wide open for trafficking. Under this administration there are 85,000 children that are unaccounted for.
LGBTQ - Left
Drag queens exploiting children - left
Easing of pedo laws - Left
Seriously, are that much in fucking denial. You claimed to be a cop in a state with the widest open borders for child trafficking and you’re seriously asking this question?
If the left hates it, and the left controls the movie industry, why did they allow it to be show in theaters. Make sense of that
actual pedos abusing hundred of thousands of kids in the church- the right
actual pedos abusing hundred of thousands of kids in the church- the right
Are you really this fucked up and ignorant?
Are you really this fucked up and ignorant?
What's their endgame?people in total disarray and confusion.
Money. You already knew this.
money, from a movie that wont make any money?
money, from a movie that wont make any money?
Here’s the thing with that. We don’t condone it and think all of those involved should be admonished, imprisoned and put to death. We don’t make excuses for it. The left on the other hand, celebrates it, encourages it, indoctrinates it, it’s in our schools, in stores, on your computer with, in most cases without even looking for it, on the news, they’re own cable channel and shows, in our libraries, etc etc, etc
That being said, your comparison doesn’t fly.
the people behind the scenes have allowed it on the screens
You really think this all powerful illuminati that control the world cant stop a movie being shown?
come on, they are either in charge or they are not.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/angel-studios-sound-freedom-passes-50-million-us-box-office (https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/angel-studios-sound-freedom-passes-50-million-us-box-office)this is chump change by any Hollywood standard, so the all powerful pedo kabal who controls the media is “allowing themselves to be exposed” for what amounts to pocket change to them?
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Come on, man!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12300283/Joe-Biden-pretends-gobble-little-girl-sniffing-Finland.html
Agree with all of this.
"1"
Agree with all of this.
"1"
this is chump change by any Hollywood standard, so the all powerful pedo kabal who controls the media is “allowing themselves to be exposed” for what amounts to pocket change to them?
Here’s the thing with that. We don’t condone it and think all of those involved should be admonished, imprisoned and put to death. We don’t make excuses for it. The left on the other hand, celebrates it, encourages it, indoctrinates it, it’s in our schools, in stores, on your computer with, in most cases without even looking for it, on the news, they’re own cable channel and shows, in our libraries, etc etc, etc
That being said, your comparison doesn’t fly.
On this board, I consider myself left. Only because I am an American vet that doesn't like Trump or Racism. I think all pedophiles should be executed. Trumps behavior at a Teen beauty contest makes me wonder about him. His comments on his daughter which would check 2 Republican boxes.... Incest and Pedophile make me wonder about him and those that support him
If the left hates it, and the left controls the movie industry, why did they allow it to be show in theaters. Make sense of that
Then if you don’t like racism then you’re in the wrong party, JackNo.. just no. I am at heart an independent . florida election laws make me choose between R and D
What was that other movie years ago that got a lot of hype and was the next big thing in revealing xxxxxxxx Dem secrets? It was around the time if Dubya. Supposed to be an anti Michael Moore kind of thing. Totally bombed at the office.
Predator
That was bad. But the one I can’t think of is worse.
Again, it MAY be a good movie.... I will likely watch it. But any movie based on "facts" needs to be evaluatedI wont watch it, its been built up too much
"The faith-based child-trafficking thriller Sound of Freedom has become one of the biggest, most unexpected box-office hits of the year, thus far raking in $53 million (and counting) and even outdueling the Walt Disney-backed Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Harrison Ford's farewell to his signature fedora-wearing adventurer on a Fourth of July holiday face-off."99% who watch it will think its a work of fiction
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sound-of-freedom-box-office-jim-caviezel-qanon-conspiracy-theories-ashton-kutcher-195208217.html
99% who watch it will think its a work of fiction
Just look how many intelligent people fell for the covid scam
99% who watch it will think its a work of fiction
Just look how many intelligent people fell for the covid scam
So the stat they use in the movie that child trafficking is a myth and rarely happens. The video footage at the beginning of the movie of children getting abducted is fake footage?
People are bad, we get it
The only difference between you and a child trafficker is circumstances.
Circumstances? ElaborateGiven the right/wrong circumstances you yourself are capeable of traffiking and murdering children
Given the right/wrong circumstances you yourself are capeable of traffiking and murdering children
We all are...
and the people who dont think they are capable are the ones most likely to do it
"Know Thyself"
I heard they have the AC off in the theaters and are leaving the lights on during the movie. :-\
is that so you cant jerk off to the movie?
So the stat they use in the movie that child trafficking is a myth and rarely happens. The video footage at the beginning of the movie of children getting abducted is fake footage?
I was kidding
My take is neither party suites me. I've said many times Trump is ALL the characteristics I despise wrapped in one person. At one time I thought all Americans thought like I did.. lying, cheating, bragging, attacking POW's for being captured, dehumanizing women, was a fundamental part not what it is like being decent. I've since learned I greatly overestimated my fellow Americans.
While I will say I don’t like Trump and I hope he doesn’t run again, I would vote for him over Biden in 2024. I just can’t get on board with a party that tolerates and pushes gender reassignment, anti white rhetoric and big government. I too have greatly overestimated my fellow Americans. I hope that a viable third party comes out strong here soon.
We share similar yet different concerns. I am NOT a Biden fan but I would vote for him over a classic narcissistic psycho. What the parties are about will get ironed out with checks and balances. But Trump literally carries every quality and trait I despise in my fellow man except the holier than thou religious attitude.
I have a slimmer of hope, based on nothing but hope, that some viable alternatives show up.. but it is not looking good
We share similar yet different concerns. I am NOT a Biden fan but I would vote for him over a classic narcissistic psycho. What the parties are about will get ironed out with checks and balances. But Trump literally carries every quality and trait I despise in my fellow man except the holier than thou religious attitude.
I have a slimmer of hope, based on nothing but hope, that some viable alternatives show up.. but it is not looking good
IMO, anyone that votes personality over policy shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
You don’t think an individual who is obviously mentally incompetent or at the very least has been in a constant state of decline for 8 years and still runs for public office isn’t a narcissist psychopath?* Or what would call the ego of a white man who said if you don’t vote for him you’re not black?
Trump is no different personality-wise than the guy you voted for so that is not a valid excuse.
*The media was calling for Trump to under go mental competency tests daily, yet they remain silent with the current president.
Trump is a clown
I don't think they are similar. Biden is not the mean spirited low IQ spoiled 12 year old Trump is. The personalities are definitely different. Having said that, I think .. just my opinion, Biden is 12 years past his prime and I cringe at another 4 years.. but not as much as I would cringe at another 4 with Trump. Just my take on it
I get why people don’t like trump and for many reasons it’s justified.
BUT if you think Biden isn’t mean spirited and pompous then you are not grounded in reality. I don’t see how a reasonable person can’t see how similar, personality wise, they are.
Ok, you've got my interest. Any quotes where Biden insulted opponents wives? Demeaned POW's, Insulted people HE hired?
Ok, you've got my interest. Any quotes where Biden insulted opponents wives? Demeaned POW's, Insulted people HE hired?
I don’t know if there’s any wife insults but there’s over 40 years of history of his double talk, if find an example will it change your mind?
Out of curiosity are you okay with him going on national news and saying we are facing an ammunition shortage?
I get that you don’t like mean people but how can you justify how the media treated trump for his whole presidency? Are you boycotting the news because they were so mean spirited?
Is this insult to the American people what you’re looking for or do we still think the vaccine is worthwhile? I suppose it’s eliminated covid because we don’t hear about it anymore.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WCKoYW7FWZM
I don’t know if there’s any wife insults but there’s over 40 years of history of his double talk, if find an example will it change your mind?
Out of curiosity are you okay with him going on national news and saying we are facing an ammunition shortage?
I get that you don’t like mean people but how can you justify how the media treated trump for his whole presidency? Are you boycotting the news because they were so mean spirited?
Is this insult to the American people what you’re looking for or do we still think the vaccine is worthwhile? I suppose it’s eliminated covid because we don’t hear about it anymore.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WCKoYW7FWZM
Not sure how closely you follow the boards but on this subject responding to Grape Ape I said I was appalled by his statement we are low on 155 ammunition.
Not sure how closely you follow the boards but on this subject responding to Grape Ape I said I was appalled by his statement we are low on 155 ammunition.
What is your thought on a few of the board members saying he said we were OUT OF AMMUNITION when he clearly said They were out and we were running low. ?
That’s fair, I dont follow most political discourse, I was genuinely asking your opinion. I think I’m text my question sounds more aggressive than I intended.
Well they are obviously wrong.
Again I think people hear, read and believe what they want to, thus I’m curious when someone uses personality as a reason for disliking a candidate (when they are very similar).
People become so blinded by their political beliefs discussions become a waste of time.
I don't think they are similar. Biden is not the mean spirited low IQ spoiled 12 year old Trump is. The personalities are definitely different. Having said that, I think .. just my opinion, Biden is 12 years past his prime and I cringe at another 4 years.. but not as much as I would cringe at another 4 with Trump. Just my take on it
shouldn't this be moved to the movie section? What's the criteria?
What is your thought on a few of the board members saying he said we were OUT OF AMMUNITION when he clearly said They were out and we were running low. ?
What is your thought on a few of the board members saying he said we were OUT OF AMMUNITION when he clearly said They were out and we were running low. ?
Obviously you didn’t read Dos’ response on this where is was a total beat down..”Detective”
I still don't believe people behind this project have good intentions. Hope I'm wrong
can you be specific on how Hollywood actors are trafficking children?
You’re a detective in a state with the most human and child sex trafficking in the nation. I’m sure you can figure this out. But then again you have a time believing that’s it’s that bad. Let go, at least use your spidey senses.
Obviously you didn’t read Dos’ response on this where is was a total beat down..”Detective”
You’re a detective in a state with the most human and child sex trafficking in the nation. I’m sure you can figure this out. But then again you have a time believing that’s it’s that bad. Let go, at least use your spidey senses.
You’re a detective in a state with the most human and child sex trafficking in the nation. I’m sure you can figure this out. But then again you have a time believing that’s it’s that bad. Let go, at least use your spidey senses.
No Coach. I was a detective in Missing Persons/Juvenile Unit around 1994-1996. I was a Detective in Family Violence from 1996 to 2000. I was a Street Sergeant from 2000 to 2008. I was a street Lieutenant from 2008-2014 and a Patrol Commander from 2014-2016 when I retired after 24 years.
So you can't answer either.
Coach, can you elaborate on how Hollywood actors are trafficking children? No? Then what was the purpose of that word salad?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cuzn2xCLf4W/?igshid=Y2I2MzMwZWM3ZA==
Here’s my question to you being former LE in a state with the most child trafficking crossings entering this country that you should have actually known about. Granted you claimed to be a cop in Austin (the LA of Texas) but here’s my question to YOU. I won’t ask lurker because I seriously don’t put anything past him or the other usual suspects on here. Why are you so dismissive to this? Do you not think it’s problem?
Here’s my question to you being former LE in a state with the most child trafficking crossings entering this country that you should have actually known about. Granted you claimed to be a cop in Austin (the LA of Texas) but here’s my question to YOU. I won’t ask lurker because I seriously don’t put anything past him or the other usual suspects on here. Why are you so dismissive to this? Do you not think it’s problem?
Here’s my question to you being former LE in a state with the most child trafficking crossings entering this country that you should have actually known about. Granted you claimed to be a cop in Austin (the LA of Texas) but here’s my question to YOU. I won’t ask lurker because I seriously don’t put anything past him or the other usual suspects on here. Why are you so dismissive to this? Do you not think it’s problem?
It was irrelevant to mine, which was and still is accurate "Coach"
But please, take up the argument.. feel free to cut and paste his amazing response and expound on it. At least it's not stolen election blatherings
If I recall, you are in the area. We can meet for a beer and discuss it further.
Yep, I sure can.
Like the libturdz whined about you mean, w/ fake Russian collusion??
Those ramblings?? ::) ::)
Or like Trumpy whining when Cruz beat him in Iowa?
I forgot about this moment.
Apparently being mean to a factory worker isn’t a big deal.eature=share
1. Did Biden say he wanted to take their guns away?
Yes, he has said that.
2. If so, then he was in the wrong, but I haven't heard anything that indicates Biden wants to take peoples guns away.
See above, but several members of Congress and leftists in general have said that.
3. Even if the guy was full of Sh*% Bidens response was not professional. Obama, Bush Sr, Clinton, Reagan, maybe Bush Jr wouldnt have lost it. Trump... oh boy... Remember when Trump advocated violence? Was that not a big deal?
He has never advocated for violence.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rally-violence_n_5bd121b1e4b055bc94882565
I agree Biden was unpresidential in his response. But are we playing on an even field here?
See above
Didn't open the link I see...
Didn't provide evidence Joe Biden wants to take everyones guns I see
Same old same old
Do some research “detective” fuck
How informative your response is.. it's always eye opening. ... ::)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/fact-check-joe-biden-gun-control/index.html
Let’s start here from your own source. This dumbass doesn’t even have a grasp of the Second Amendment and for a cop, you should know it as well, but you don’t. Scaryas a "coach", talking to someone with 34 years of experience in law enforcement. It might behoove you to take a step back every now and then.. If we were talking how to build coconut delts and I'd be talking over you.. wouldn't happen. See, I understand the commitment you have to that endeavor. If I had read a blog post that what you said went against that blog, I would consider their qualifications to yours. But at NO time, would I try and argue technical techniques with you. I would assume what I read doesn't match your experience. You've read quite a bit about the Second Amendment I'm sure. Just as I have read article after article about weight lifting, building muscle etc. But I'm realistic enough to defer to your expertise, experience. You listed one defining case on the 2nd amendment. I'm sure in your reading you have to know that there are several from the 20's until now.
as a "coach", talking to someone with 34 years of experience in law enforcement. It might behoove you to take a step back every not and then.. If we were talking how to build coconut delts and I'd be talking over you.. wouldn't happen. See, I understand the commitment you have to that endeavor. If I had read a blog post that what you said went against that blog, I would consider their qualifications to yours. But at NO time, would I try and argue technical techniques with you. I would assume what I read doesn't match your experience. You've read quite a bit about the Second Amendment I'm sure. Just as I have read article after article about weight lifting, building muscle etc. But I'm realistic enough to defer to your expertise, experience. You listed one defining case on the 2nd amendment. I'm sure in your reading you have to know that there are several from the 20's until now.
I propose this.. we stop calling each other names, and have a productive conversation. If I am proven wrong, I will be more than happy to fall on my sword.
You wanted proof he said it, I gave you that proof. His interpretation of the Second Amendment is not only wrong but misleading to those who support gun control, they will parrot whatever he, anyone in his administration and frankly any leftist politician and media pundit.
Nah, I'm good with taking your assault weapon. But his plan is not mandatory.. if you had researched further you would see it was a voluntary buy back. You seemed to have left that out.. On purpose or lack of effort? Only you know
You’re good with taking my “assault weapon” which “assault weapon would that be? What IS an “assault weapon” anyway? Could it be anything in this graphic?which of those do you need for hunting? Home protection? Me? a nice compact pistol and a shotgun fill the bill. Some of the others, designed just to kill humans.. you don't need them.
And why would be good with taking this “assault weapon”?
which of those do you need for hunting? Home protection? Me? a nice compact pistol and a shotgun fill the bill. Some of the others, designed just to kill humans.. you don't need them.
Having said that...I understand the horse is out of the barn. There are so many out there it makes no sense to suddenly ban them.
Second Amendment wasn’t written for hunting. Try again
To be fair, it doesn't sayI think thats what the founding fathers had in mind.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of anyone in a militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
It says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I think the most reasonable interpretation is that the people will be in a state of readiness to form an effective militia in defense of their free state (nation). Either that or the population as a whole is a de facto militia.
Constitutional crisis on the g&o!
Yes I'll never forget the night a gang of elk with bad intentions broke into my house. I said Jill, go out on the porch with a double barreled shotgun and let off two blasts in order to empty the gun and render it useless.
Nah,, it was written to arm a milita. Fact is, you are not a militia. Try again
The Second Amendment to the Constitution (ratified on December 15, 1791), states as follows:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
That’s it, in its entirety: 27 words
You are completely oblivious to the 2A.
A cursory check of the interwebs gave this up at the top:
Militia:
noun: militia; plural noun: militias
a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
"creating a militia was no answer to the army's manpower problem"
a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.
historical
(in the US) all able-bodied citizens eligible by law to be called on to provide military service supplementary to the regular armed forces.
Origin
The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States specifically (or as is likely the case with the cucks here, "pacifically") states:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
So fuck that law enfarcement cuckolded bullshit. The "people" not the cuckolded, not the elite, not the libtardian. The People.
Cucks want guns for their guards and even themselves but not for "The People". I hope they all die horribly from a painful illness. It's a pity that "shame" isn't lethal.
Stay strong, my brother.
You are completely oblivious to the 2A. WE are the Militia
What part of well trained do you fall under? Shooting range?
I read this as "Fuck, can't handle Agnostic.. let me do some personal attacks.. I'm sure if you google debate tactics, this is in there..
ad ho·mi·nem
[ˌad ˈhämənəm]
ADJECTIVE
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
What part of well trained do you fall under? Shooting range?
I read this as "Fuck, can't handle Agnostic.. let me do some personal attacks.. I'm sure if you google debate tactics, this is in there..At least he didn't wish death upon you like you did him. :)
ad ho·mi·nem
[ˌad ˈhämənəm]
ADJECTIVE
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
I'll be in Newport Beach Sun-Wed attending a memorial for a friend. (Staunch Republican). If I recall, you are in the area. We can meet for a beer and discuss it further.
The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics.
I just saw this. I’m in Huntington. Was at Newport Dunes today for my grandsons birthday. If you’re still here, hit me up.I fly in tomorrow. Leave Wednesday
I just saw this. I’m in Huntington. Was at Newport Dunes today for my grandsons birthday. If you’re still here, hit me up.
I fly in tomorrow. Leave WednesdayI'm so excited!! :o ;D
;D
Not sure what’s funny. Most PD’s except for cities with full time SWAT units are woefully undertrained. This is a stone cold factIt's actually embarrassing. The LE I know very rarely train, even just punching holes in paper.
It's actually embarrassing. The LE I know very rarely train, even just punching holes in paper.
The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics.
Damn impressive coach, where did you learn the tactics? You sounded like you are knowledgeable in firearms and law enfarcement, are you a part of the police explorer program?
Not sure what’s funny. Most PD’s except for cities with full time SWAT units are woefully undertrained. This is a stone cold fact
It's actually embarrassing. The LE I know very rarely train, even just punching holes in paper.
lol….no. No explorer program. Been shooting since I was six then about 6-7years ago started training home protection with a tactical group whose instructors included former swat commanders, Rangers, Seal team members and marine snipers. This snowballed into more tactical stuff like CQB, tac med, getting dropped and shooting from helicopters, etc. We train 3-4 days wk. It’s private training for LE and civilians. Wife calls it real life “larping” lol
Coach.. would you say your training would equal my 34 years experience? !0 years military In Security Police. 24 years experience in a major police department? I'm not asking to toot my own horn, I'm trying to get a feel for if you think your training equates to mine? For reference, I got my first 12 gauge when I turned 12. Been hunting and shooting since I was old enough to carry a gun. Still have my first shotgun. I've done years of tactical stuff. cut my teeth on it. Been on helicopters, crash landed in a C141 in Iwakuni Japan. Are we really comparing dicks on this? I'm sure there are a couple on this forum that would put me to shame.. but I don't think you are one of them.
The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics.
Not meaning to personally attack you or shoehorn myself in, but that stuff absolutely is LARPing. Which is fine, if it's just playing soldiers for fun, but something has gone monumentally wrong over there if armed police are being trained on handling and tactics by civilians with no real-life experience in any of it. That's genuinely shocking to hear. Why on Earth aren't they just being sent to do some cross-training with military units in CQB?
For reference, I got my first 12 gauge when I turned 12. Been hunting and shooting since I was old enough to carry a gun. Still have my first shotgun.
I fly in tomorrow. Leave Wednesday
Not meaning to personally attack you or shoehorn myself in, but that stuff absolutely is LARPing. Which is fine, if it's just playing soldiers for fun, but something has gone monumentally wrong over there if armed police are being trained on handling and tactics by civilians with no real-life experience in any of it. That's genuinely shocking to hear. Why on Earth aren't they just being sent to do some cross-training with military units in CQB?
Hahaha the rock sucks and I love that he is tangled up in this. Mel Gibson is badass.
Hahaha the rock sucks and I love that he is tangled up in this. Mel Gibson is badass.
Agnostic has taken himself to Strawman/Lurker - like like levels
Do some research “detective” fuck
Rocks a big homo...
It is not up to anyone else to research the bullshit that YOU post. You can't fact check your own retarded replies on here, that is why you get your ass handed to you day after day on here. You have to rely on lies and bullshit because you are just an insecure retard.
Hasn’t happened yet, comrade. Now lick the balls of the installed child predator “president” that you so support.
In debate,. your personal experience carries very little debate. Google itGoogle says facts don't require debate and they also don't care about your feelings.
Not meaning to personally attack you or shoehorn myself in, but that stuff absolutely is LARPing. Which is fine, if it's just playing soldiers for fun, but something has gone monumentally wrong over there if armed police are being trained on handling and tactics by civilians with no real-life experience in any of it. That's genuinely shocking to hear. Why on Earth aren't they just being sent to do some cross-training with military units in CQB?
Thought same thing.. Coach claiming to help train cops, definite BS alarm sounded. It seems it turns out they may just use the same facility on occasion.. which is different than the original statement. Maybe Coach can clarify? I’d had for Dos Equis coming in and accusing him of lying
Really? Why is this BS to you? Since you’re here we can talk about this over a beer, like you offered. A lot of the cops that come in for training sometimes don’t even know (or can’t remember) the basic rules of safety or basic gun handling or tactical terminology. Again, full time swat know this and granted new recruits that goes through the training knows this as well, but they soon forget because they used to NOT training.
Where did you learn tactical terminology and advanced tactical training?
Where did you learn tactical terminology and advanced tactical training?
Online. Where do you think?
Same place he learned to drop and shoot from helicopters.
Have you figured this out yet?
im going to show up and bash your head in with a lead pipe
It was "debunked".
Have you figured out how to post a link to that?
I have but you wouldn’t read it anyway so there’s no point. I’ll just keep my almost perfect record of being right….again
Wrong once again.
If you could prove it, you would prove it. But you can't. Because you just lied. No surprise. Little mind, little excuses.
“Lied” lol
Yes. Lied. This is why you have zero credibility on this board - and most likely in real life too.
It's also the reason other Trump supporters keep quiet and do not attempt to help you out with your bullshit. It's always such an obvious lie that they don't want to associate with it.
So, either you can post a link to where those charges on the Michigan AG website are listed and the video where the AG said the exact same words is "debunked" as you claim, or you are just a little liar.
We all know what it is. We all know you can't post a link to your bullshit claim. Just. Like. Always.
The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics.
What this sounds like and what it actually is.. in your mind.. you were being honest? I’m just trying to see in what world this would be an accurate statement..
You’re having another meltdown down little man..they don’t need to say anything and I already proved that when I took a story from Biden thread where you kept your mouth shut because you knew you’d get owned and started a separate thread where you promptly trolled me. Plus you’ve already admitted you didn’t read anything I posted. Keep melting down, you’re my source of entertainment
Meltdown? hahahahah you claimed "they" debunked irrefutable facts and yet you can't supply a link to where "they" did it. You can't because it doesn't exist. Just like your credibility.
You are just a certified retard who can't post anything with any substance of truth. That has been proven. Over and over. Watching you dodge reality is the best entertainment in the world.
“Irrefutable”? Hasn’t even gone to trial dipshit. Lol
Doesn't have to go to trial for the article to be correct. ::) The article, the page on the State AG site, and the video of the AG herself speaking all said the same thing. That the fake electors were charges. Not a single thing about a trial.
And yet, you claim it was debunked but can't supply a single link to the debunking. :D
Dumbass. You again show you know nothing of legal process.
So they’re guilty before proving innocence, Nancy Pelosi?
That has ZERO to do with what I posted and the article said. It said nothing about trials or innocence or guilt. ::)
In addition to your credibility being "debunked", I guess we can add your reading skill to that list as well.
That has ZERO to do with what I posted and the article said. It said nothing about trials or innocence or guilt. ::)
In addition to your credibility being "debunked", I guess we can add your reading skill to that list as well.
I have more of you need it
I’m trying to figure why you would think this wouldn’t even be in realm possibility.
Liability would be one of many reasons. A department having a non instructor certified person training their officers in shooting and tactics would be a lawsuit just waiting to happen in the event of a deadly force incident.
That has ZERO to do with my post. hahahahaha. Damn you are stupid. An op-ed piece doesn't change the fact the charges are filed -IN ENGLISH - on the State AG site. Or that the AG herself said - IN ENGLISH - the exact same thing I posted.
Felonies you tard.
Nothing listed about trials or guilt. hahahaha
https://www.michigan.gov/ag/news/press-releases/2023/07/18/michigan-attorney-general-dana-nessel-charges-16-false-electors
You said, I didn’t have proof, you said I didn’t debunk it, or at least debunk your story. Like I said, there’s more.
I have more if you need it
Good times!
Now please show the link to where these charges were "debunked" and false. :D ;D :D ;D ;D
LANSING – Today, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel announced felony charges against 16 Michigan residents for their role in the alleged false electors scheme following the 2020 U.S. presidential election. The charged defendants are:
Kathy Berden, 70, of Snover
William (Hank) Choate, 72, of Cement City
Amy Facchinello, 55, of Grand Blanc
Clifford Frost, 75, of Warren
Stanley Grot, 71, of Shelby Township
John Haggard, 82, of Charlevoix
Mari-Ann Henry, 65, of Brighton
Timothy King, 56, of Ypsilanti
Michele Lundgren, 73, of Detroit
Meshawn Maddock, 55, of Milford
James Renner, 76, of Lansing
Mayra Rodriguez, 64, of Grosse Pointe Farms
Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw
Marian Sheridan, 69, of West Bloomfield
Ken Thompson, 68, of Orleans
Kent Vanderwood, 69, of Wyoming
Each defendant has been charged with:
One count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony,
Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony,
One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony,
One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony, and,
Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.
Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, who has faced threats from 2020 election deniers — hailed the charges as a step toward “accountability” for those who sought to subvert democracy on behalf of Trump. “We are still in the midst of a nationally coordinated effort to weaken democracy,”
I Guess i just debunked your debunking? I posted something from an official that says the charges are valid. That seems to be your criteria
Being charged, does not mean they are guilty. As a matter of fact, Soros attorney generals have a bad habit of charging usually without all the evidence gathered so tell me again, how you think you know the legal system
Sorry pal, you’re purposely trying to get off another subject. Why don’t we just stick to the conversation you and I were having. You never answered my question.
By the way, right now, I’m about a mile from Newport Beach. I actually have some time to stop and have that beer before I go home if you want.
You said I knew nothing about the legal process. I do know you’re innocent until proven guilty. You’re obviously drunk posting
No said anything about guilt. hahahahahah the fact I have to keep typing something this simple shows how stupid you are.
I posted and the article clearly said and the AG herself voiced about, was about being charged.
hahahahaha epic - but useless - backpedaling.
You don't have shit. No debunking link. No credibility. No reading comprehension skill past 8th grade. Nothing. Except lies.
And yeah, I have a better understanding of the legal system than some retard who can't read out of comic book level. ::)
Last week, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel announced charges against 16 Trump electors who submitted their votes as alternates amidst belief that there would be an honest investigation into the 2020 election.
The charges include forgery, election fraud, and conspiracy.
where the electors publicly called their votes a “back up slate” and affirmed, “this is not a replacement.” Their actions were to give a “life vote” to Michigan legislators under the presumption that there would be an honest investigation/audit of the Michigan election, especially in Wayne County, where canvassers initially refused to certify the vote because of an imbalance in 70% of the 134 absentee counting boards in Detroit.
Michigan’s House Elections Vice Chair, Rep. Rachelle Smit, has released a statement arguing that what the electors did was “completely legal, completely valid, and anticipating that there would be an honest investigation into Michigan voter fraud.”
The Trump electors were preserving the ability for a voter fraud investigation to happen after December 15, 2020. The Trump electors committed no forgery, no fraud, and zero violation of Michigan’s election laws. Dana Nessel knows this, but she brought charges against these people anyway. Our Michigan AG is an absolute disgrace to the rule of law. This is a political prosecution by an attorney general who shamelessly abuses the law for the basest of political motives. Dana Nessel, as attorney general, is a threat to the rule of law and our system of governance.”
From Fox2 on Nov 17, 2020:
It comes with a condition Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson conduct an audit of the unexplained precincts in Wayne County where numbers did not match. After initially split on the vote to verify the election results from Wayne County, the board of canvassers ultimately revised their vote and unanimously voted to certify the will of the people.
There wasn’t an honest investigation into Wayne County’s canvassing board’s imbalance that we can find. There was, however, a statewide “risk-limiting audit” of 18,000 ballots out of 5.45 million (00.3%), using “auditing software to randomly select ballots that will be pulled from any one of Michigan’s 1,520 local election jurisdictions and hand-reviewed.” Looking for 3 or 4% of potentially fraudulent ballots in a universe of 5.45 million (~218,000) by only looking at 00.3% of a universe is in line with the proverbial “finding a needle in a haystack”. If you had 1,000 ballots, you would be looking at just 3 ballots total. If 4% of the ballots were fraudulent, those 3 ballots would have to find 40 in a universe of 1,000.
Director of Michigan Bureau of Elections Jonathan Brater explains:
“What we’re going to be doing today is rolling 20 dice, 10-sided dice, to create a random number that we’re then going to put into a computer algorithm that will tell us which of these ballots from all across the state that we’re going to randomly pull. And then we’re going to compare about 18,000 ballots that we randomly pull to the machine tabulated totals, to confirm within a statistical level of certainty that the outcome of the election was correct.”
Further, this “risk-limiting audit” does nothing to provide answers regarding missing chain of custody documents, ballot deliveries 3.5 hours after polls closed with a single driver with Indiana plates (no party observers), late night ballot drops at 4am escorted twice by a car with Pennsylvania plates, and again, in 2022, similar late night drops (in 2022, Michigan Democrats took control of the state legislature).
The weaponized Michigan AG’s office is pressing charges for actions that there is precedent for in the United States: in 1960, Hawaii sent an “alternate slate of electors” after a contested election between John F Kennedy and Richard Nixon. Kennedy’s three electors signed their own certificates and sent them to Washington. Eventually, after recounts and an investigation, Hawaii’s “alternate” electors were sat and Hawaii was given to Kennedy
From Politico:
By December 1960, it was clear Kennedy had won. Only Hawaii’s result remained in doubt. Nixon had prevailed by just 140 votes, according to the initial results, which were certified by the governor. A recount was underway on Dec. 19, 1960, when presidential electors across the nation were required by law to meet and cast their ballots.
Nixon’s Hawaii electors met and cast their three votes in an official ceremony. But nearby, Kennedy’s three elector nominees gathered and signed their own certificates, delivering them to Washington as though Kennedy had won the state.
Back in November 2020, Democrat Representative-elect Abraham Aiyash threatened one of the canvassing board members, Monica Palmer, by doxxing her and her children’s schools on a public Zoom meeting. Remember: 70% of Wayne County’s absentee boards were out of balance. SOS Jocelyn Benson’s Office promised an audit if they agreed to certify.
AG Nessel, in her charging documents, makes it appear as though the electors were conducting some shady back room deals and covertly trying to replace the Biden electors’ certificates with Trump’s. This was not the case. In fact, they were very public about submitting their certificates:
Links and videos supporting links and videos within the link
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/statement-michigan-house-elections-vice-chair-2020-trump/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-michigan-house-elections-vice-chair-2020-trump&fbclid=PAAaYXjke_siBGZR948yJ0D1GlerC87WpvTjDWvBx7TnXJF0krlSHPbj6OFoc_aem_AYzDqTtw5MBF2cjuljGL9Y3EBRkZ_9Us43wEiTliED781VLQ1RgvetU-mTrYkdoK42Q
Last week, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel announced charges against 16 Trump electors who submitted their votes as alternates amidst belief that there would be an honest investigation into the 2020 election.
The charges include forgery, election fraud, and conspiracy.
where the electors publicly called their votes a “back up slate” and affirmed, “this is not a replacement.” Their actions were to give a “life vote” to Michigan legislators under the presumption that there would be an honest investigation/audit of the Michigan election, especially in Wayne County, where canvassers initially refused to certify the vote because of an imbalance in 70% of the 134 absentee counting boards in Detroit.
Michigan’s House Elections Vice Chair, Rep. Rachelle Smit, has released a statement arguing that what the electors did was “completely legal, completely valid, and anticipating that there would be an honest investigation into Michigan voter fraud.”
The Trump electors were preserving the ability for a voter fraud investigation to happen after December 15, 2020. The Trump electors committed no forgery, no fraud, and zero violation of Michigan’s election laws. Dana Nessel knows this, but she brought charges against these people anyway. Our Michigan AG is an absolute disgrace to the rule of law. This is a political prosecution by an attorney general who shamelessly abuses the law for the basest of political motives. Dana Nessel, as attorney general, is a threat to the rule of law and our system of governance.”
From Fox2 on Nov 17, 2020:
It comes with a condition Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson conduct an audit of the unexplained precincts in Wayne County where numbers did not match. After initially split on the vote to verify the election results from Wayne County, the board of canvassers ultimately revised their vote and unanimously voted to certify the will of the people.
There wasn’t an honest investigation into Wayne County’s canvassing board’s imbalance that we can find. There was, however, a statewide “risk-limiting audit” of 18,000 ballots out of 5.45 million (00.3%), using “auditing software to randomly select ballots that will be pulled from any one of Michigan’s 1,520 local election jurisdictions and hand-reviewed.” Looking for 3 or 4% of potentially fraudulent ballots in a universe of 5.45 million (~218,000) by only looking at 00.3% of a universe is in line with the proverbial “finding a needle in a haystack”. If you had 1,000 ballots, you would be looking at just 3 ballots total. If 4% of the ballots were fraudulent, those 3 ballots would have to find 40 in a universe of 1,000.
Director of Michigan Bureau of Elections Jonathan Brater explains:
“What we’re going to be doing today is rolling 20 dice, 10-sided dice, to create a random number that we’re then going to put into a computer algorithm that will tell us which of these ballots from all across the state that we’re going to randomly pull. And then we’re going to compare about 18,000 ballots that we randomly pull to the machine tabulated totals, to confirm within a statistical level of certainty that the outcome of the election was correct.”
Further, this “risk-limiting audit” does nothing to provide answers regarding missing chain of custody documents, ballot deliveries 3.5 hours after polls closed with a single driver with Indiana plates (no party observers), late night ballot drops at 4am escorted twice by a car with Pennsylvania plates, and again, in 2022, similar late night drops (in 2022, Michigan Democrats took control of the state legislature).
The weaponized Michigan AG’s office is pressing charges for actions that there is precedent for in the United States: in 1960, Hawaii sent an “alternate slate of electors” after a contested election between John F Kennedy and Richard Nixon. Kennedy’s three electors signed their own certificates and sent them to Washington. Eventually, after recounts and an investigation, Hawaii’s “alternate” electors were sat and Hawaii was given to Kennedy
From Politico:
By December 1960, it was clear Kennedy had won. Only Hawaii’s result remained in doubt. Nixon had prevailed by just 140 votes, according to the initial results, which were certified by the governor. A recount was underway on Dec. 19, 1960, when presidential electors across the nation were required by law to meet and cast their ballots.
Nixon’s Hawaii electors met and cast their three votes in an official ceremony. But nearby, Kennedy’s three elector nominees gathered and signed their own certificates, delivering them to Washington as though Kennedy had won the state.
Back in November 2020, Democrat Representative-elect Abraham Aiyash threatened one of the canvassing board members, Monica Palmer, by doxxing her and her children’s schools on a public Zoom meeting. Remember: 70% of Wayne County’s absentee boards were out of balance. SOS Jocelyn Benson’s Office promised an audit if they agreed to certify.
AG Nessel, in her charging documents, makes it appear as though the electors were conducting some shady back room deals and covertly trying to replace the Biden electors’ certificates with Trump’s. This was not the case. In fact, they were very public about submitting their certificates:
Links and videos supporting links and videos within the link
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/statement-michigan-house-elections-vice-chair-2020-trump/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-michigan-house-elections-vice-chair-2020-trump&fbclid=PAAaYXjke_siBGZR948yJ0D1GlerC87WpvTjDWvBx7TnXJF0krlSHPbj6OFoc_aem_AYzDqTtw5MBF2cjuljGL9Y3EBRkZ_9Us43wEiTliED781VLQ1RgvetU-mTrYkdoK42Q
I hate to be the one.. but posting news stories about it and how some people don’t agree with it is NOT debunking it. Had republicans NOT said the charges were TRUMPed up I’d be shocked.. that’s just a regular Wednesday
The first two sentences are the EXACT same thing I posted, the EXACT same thing that the state AG dept has listed on their website (listed above -again-) and the EXACT same thing that the AG herself went on live TV and announced. You said it wasn't true and was "debunked". ::)
And despite validating my original thread and post, you have not done any debunking of what I, the article, the state website, or the AG has said. You only proved me (us) all correct.
Your "debunking" is actually nothing but confirming the EXACT same thing that I said and you claimed was false.
You made yourself look like a bigger dumb ass with those first two sentences. ::)
This is why we all know you are flat out stupid. Not dumb. Not slow. Just flat out stupid. Retardation was a gift God gave you to cope with reality and those pesky little facts that you have trouble with.
Post your exact link. You didn’t do that. Post it NOW
The first two sentences are the EXACT same thing I posted, the EXACT same thing that the state AG dept has listed on their website (listed above -again-) and the EXACT same thing that the AG herself went on live TV and announced. You said it wasn't true and was "debunked". ::)
And despite validating my original thread and post, you have not done any debunking of what I, the article, the state website, or the AG has said. You only proved me (us) all correct.
Your "debunking" is actually nothing but confirming the EXACT same thing that I said and you claimed was false.
You made yourself look like a bigger dumb ass with those first two sentences. ::)
This is why we all know you are flat out stupid. Not dumb. Not slow. Just flat out stupid. Retardation was a gift God gave you to cope with reality and those pesky little facts that you have trouble with.
I fucking knew you wouldn’t read beyond that headline nor would you open the link. You’re in full meltdown down mode right now. I’ll deal with this when I get home. But good God you’re a retard.
I fucking knew you wouldn’t read beyond that headline nor would you open the link. You’re in full meltdown down mode right now. I’ll deal with this when I get home. But good God you’re a retard.
I fucking knew you wouldn’t read beyond that headline nor would you open the link. You’re in full meltdown down mode right now. I’ll deal with this when I get home. But good God you’re a retard.
Did Coach and Agnostic meet up and discuss which beer Americans prefer ???
Did Coach and Agnostic meet up and discuss which beer Americans prefer ???
Nope, I asked several times.
Nope, I asked several times.
What is being argued here? Something about a case or whether the meetup was backed out of (or both)?
What is being argued here? Something about a case or whether the meetup was backed out of (or both)?
I hate to be the one.. but posting news stories about it and how some people don’t agree with it is NOT debunking it. Had republicans NOT said the charges were TRUMPed up I’d be shocked.. that’s just a regular Wednesday
Coach claimed a post Lurker made about charges filed on fake electors for fraud was debunked. Coach isn’t clear on what debunked actually means and confused it with “disagreed with”
Lurker went on to prove over and over again that Coach couldn’t provide evidence the claim the fake electors were charged was false. Then coach posted a letter from a Republican that disagreed with the charges, thinking that was “debunking” the original news article. Lurker tried his best to make Coach understand the difference between debunking a claim and disagreeing with a charge to no avail.
Coach claimed he trained cops in firearm tactics which obviously was not true and then went vague when questioned about it. Turns out he sometimes shoots at a public range some officers may occasionally visit and he thought that meant he trained them.
That’s about it. The meetup didn’t happen, which was to discuss those issues over a beer, because I had limited time while in town for a memorial and didn’t have the free time I expected to have. No real argument to be had there.
The may trump up charges, libturdz create fake stories and run with them, causing taxpayers tons of millions.
(fake collusions, etc)...
The cult/party of gender confused liars..
Thanks for clearing it up. You should have met for the beer.
lol….is that the way it went?
Lurker- “the evidence is irrefutable” then posts an article with of those that were charged by a soros bought and paid for by a Michigan AG. What this retard did was IMPLY that they were guilty even before the trial, Al La Nancy Pelosi
I posted an article with provable evidence that in fact, refuted his allegations and can actually provide video evidence of this. But he did what I expected him to do, not read it or follow the links that proved this Michigan ag was full of shit.
As for Agnostics claim that I don’t help and train cops in a private facility, he’s lying. Making up shit. Pulling this out of his ass. He somehow thinks that a cop (not a full time tactical swat team) that qualifies once every 6-12 months with hardly any other even range time in between has to be better and more knowledgeable than someone who’s been training for 6-7 years 3-4 days week straight with multiple certs, can’t possibly help train cops in a private facility with a kill house.
Hey Agnostic, here’s a little fact for you and it’s been proven. A lot of these civilian training facilities are turning out people after about 6 months to a year of training better trained than patrol cops. How fucking sad is it knowing that a civilian could be trained better in firearms and tactical situations than a regular patrol cop? Its sad and it shouldn’t be happening.
The facts I posted are irrefutable. They are state records of the Michigan AG. They are the words, on video of the AG herself saying the exact same thing. Not a single word in my statement, the article, the state records, or her video says "guilt, innocence, or trial." Those words are not included. You made that shit up with your bullshit debunking claim.
But why not just provide a link to where I said that or - asking for the 100th time - to the actual debunking? Because you can't. That's why. All you have are the impotent tears of a midget retard and bullshit. That is your coping mechanism.
I think we’ve come to the “wash our hands of it” point with Coach. I’m not sure at this point if he understands basic concepts.
He’s imagining things and no amount of talking seems to change that. And now he’s calling people liars. Especially ironic considering his claim of training Law Enforcement in firearms tactics. If he had a DOJ instructors certificate he would have posted it.
If he was accredited by any agency he would. Truth is, he is just in the vicinity and uses the same building that LE individuals may visit. In no way does he "train" them. Most likely he does nothing but pester them nonstop trying to be relevant.
"Jumping out of helicopters" - ::)
Even that 47th chromosome has a hard time keeping track of all his delusions.
You know what to do. And what’s this “accredited” and “agency” crap? I’ve come to find out that it’s real easy to talk shit behind a keyboard, stay anonymous, etc but when push comes to shove there’s always an excuse not to prove yourself. Seems the ones that talk the most shit are the ones that lack the integrity to back themselves up….even when just a couple of miles away. Lurkers never had any integrity whatsoever so this is nothing new.
Bottom line, if you’re going to talk about someone, put up or shut up. Quite frankly, I didn’t expect Agnostic show even though he was the one that asked
You know what to do. And what’s this “accredited” and “agency” crap? I’ve come to find out that it’s real easy to talk shit behind a keyboard, stay anonymous, etc but when push comes to shove there’s always an excuse not to prove yourself. Seems the ones that talk the most shit are the ones that lack the integrity to back themselves up….even when just a couple of miles away. Lurkers never had any integrity whatsoever so this is nothing new.
Bottom line, if you’re going to talk about someone, put up or shut up. Quite frankly, I didn’t expect Agnostic show even though he was the one that asked
Coach you make it sound like we were meeting behind the church after school for a fight. Had we met, what do you think you would accomplish? Show me an instructors certificate? Would have lent some credibility to your claim? Show me Breitbart news articles on your phone? Convince me the election was stolen? There was no fear here… I just didn’t have the spare time to meet up with you. Is this some kind of victory in your mind?
Fight? No. It was literally for a beer to talk to the person who constantly talks crap and calls me liar online since you were only a few miles away at the time. But hey, it is what it is.
Allow me to play Jimmy Carter here for a second and broker a peace deal. I think at this point in leiu of kissing and making up why not just send each other dick pics and be done with it.Why send them? Post them here and we can start a "most glorious dick on getbig" poll thread.
Why send them? Post them here and we can start a "most glorious dick on getbig" poll thread.
My goal would have been the same then. But I refrained from calling you a liar all this time. In fact, I stated more than once I think you believe what you post. While on the other hand, for months you have IMPLIED I lied about my career. I let it go.. I don't call people liars without knowing for sure. To me, that's a pretty bad insult. Like stealing someones horse in the 1800's type thing. But.. I will say, while I can't say you are lying when you ignore facts in black in white in your face, or your many posts turn out to be false.. like the one you recently posted saying the Biden administration refused to pay to transport a solider KIA.. which I provided ample evidence the Gateway Pundit was flat wrong.. I don't think you lied about it, I think you saw a shiny object flashing through the water and like a largemouth bass you instinctively cut and pasted it without a seconds thought to check it's accuracy. Mainly because it was anti Biden and you just hoped it was true. So you didn't "lie" there, but your integrity certainly suffered.. again.
"The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics."
Then you made the claim you trained cops in firearms tactics. That seemed to me to be crossing the line between blind political ignorance and ... lying. It's not that I don't think civilians are not capable of training Law Enforcement. In Austin we knew of places where it was run by civilians, most of them former SWAT officers, Delta, Seals etc.. called Thunder Ranch. The instructors were highly respected. I had a former instructor on my shift as an officer when I was a Sergeant and you better believe I used his skills to expand my officers tactics. So it's not that. Lets put that herring to rest. It's that I KNOW there is no department in the country that would employ an non certified instructor to train their officers in almost any capacity and especially, most certainly USE OF FORCE. Now if you have that DOJ Instructors certification and a contract from a local department I will entertain the thought you trained Law enforcement at the range. Barring that, I have to say, you were not truthful. Did you offer someone tips? Did you ask a question and suggest a different night sight? I don't know, but I damn sure know, without proper certification, you did not train Law enforcement... period. You dug this hole.. not me.
1. There isn’t at any point in our conversation where I where I said I trained Departments…not at any point nor did I say I was some kind of full time instructor “Detective” I specifically said at a PRIVATE facility where some LE comes to train. So right off the bat you’re putting words in my mouth.
2. I know of Thunder Ranch and Clint Smith. I’ve been following him for years. Haven’t been to his facility but have trained with Sheepdog when in Dripping Springs with Kongo and Kennedy. Both places are similar to where I train and have been training for years and I have stated openly that MY instructors are also former SWAT commanders, Seals, Marine Snipers (one of the owners) and an active MARSOC instructors. What you don’t seem to realize is that these facilities have been popping up all over the country. One of my first instructors is a former seal who now teaches in San Antonio. Bottom line, cops are under trained. Some don’t even know how to clear a simple malfunction. Sad
Here’s my proof to put that old doubt to rest.
If you have a DOJ Instructors certification, nows the time.
Bows the time to post the DOJ Instuctor certificate.. If you do, I’ll apologize for doubting you and you can do likewise
You didn’t read my above post, did you?
It did not exist when I originally posted that... But your answer is pretty much what I expected. Not hoped for, but kind of expected.
nows the time to post the DOJ Instuctor certificate.. If you do, I’ll apologize for doubting you and you can do likewise
What did you expect?
Nope, I’m not DOJ certified because 1. I don’t do it for a living. 2. You don’t need a DOJ cert for private facilities. I’ve been NRA certified for years in basics with the ability to certify other would be instructors…which incidentally includes cops once in a while. And I shouldn’t have specify this but no, not departments. Just individual cops taking the course.
Specific eligibility requirements must be met prior to attending any NRA Law Enforcement Firearm Instructor school. Registration in any of these programs must be made on the proper forms with appropriate documentation attached. Registration confirmation must be received from NRA prior to attending any school. All applicants must be United States citizens or lawful permanent residents of the U.S. who must also be able to lawfully possess firearms and ammunition. Additionally, applicants must meet one of the following six criteria:
A "sworn" law enforcement officer
A retired or previously employed "sworn" law enforcement officer
A licensed "armed" private security officer
A member of the United States Armed Forces
A full-time civilian firearm instructor who is employed by a public law enforcement agency: This is defined as someone employed full time in a civilian capacity by a public law enforcement agency or organization to provide law enforcement specific firearm training to its "sworn" law enforcement personnel. A letter from the chief, sheriff, or other appropriate command person attesting to their full-time employment status and experience will be required of anyone attempting to establish eligibility under this section.
A full-time civilian contractor: This is defined as someone employed by a U.S. company or corporation actively engaged in a verifiable GSA contract to provide firearm training or other armed personal / physical security protection types of service to the U.S. government or military. A letter from a program manager or other appropriate individual attesting to the company's contractual obligation and the individual's current employment status and experience is required of anyone attempting to establish eligibility under this section.
Coach, I'm speaking to you as an adult. My qoute from you IMPLIED (I'm using the same standard you used for Lurker) that YOU did. If that is not the case... then we have no issue. If you train at facilities and with some cops that train there, that is fine and believable. But "I train and help train cops" is extremely misleading at the least.
Police Departments have limited budgets. Many cops go their entire careers without firing a shot. That's not to say they don't pull their weapon and clear hundreds of buildings, cars etc. It just means and thankfully so, the odds of pulling the trigger are minimal and rightly so. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be taught. But defensive tactics are more likely used.. what used to be called "verbal judo" and is now known as De-escalation tactics are used daily and focused on. I agree with you if your point is the standard cop could use more firearms tactics training. That is very true. We got ours because our Boss at the time was a believer in it. I am an excellent shot. Always have been. But I have shot beside cops at that range I hoped to god I never had to rely on in a firefight. So yes, most cops, depending on the department and it's budget could and should practice as much as possible.
And this has been my point all along and specifically stated "this does not include full time SWAT units and specifically stated standard patrol cops. They go through their quals then put the firearm back in their holsters until the next qual be it 3,6 or 12 months down the line then when God for bid something happened they are not prepared mentally, sometimes physically or tactically. because of this, most are not ready, for instance to breach and room clear. I literally watch dozens of videos a week with cops wondering how they haven't killed anyone in crossfire...just as an example.
I get the impression based on your posts, you enjoy shooting. Enjoy it past what the typical homeowner enjoys. you have likely developed your skills on your own dime to be pretty proficient on the range. I aplaude you. But you don't and never have trained Law Enforcement. You may have trained alongside Law Enforcement at one of the civilian ranges you visit.. but you never trained them. The range masters would have or should have shut you down unless you are a certified instructor. It's not my ego driving my disbelief. I worked with Former Navy Seals in Austin and have the utmost respect for their capabilities.. they would run rings around me. My disbelief is in your comment, you train cops.. you just absolutely don't. I understand you may have slipped and put something in black and white that is coming back to haunt you now. It's as simple as admitting you misstated your personal role in training cops.... You've trained along side them... that's believable. Is that something you are willing to do, or will you stick to the claim you yourself trained cops? It's really up to you
Never said on a range. During the week its an indoor kill house, room clearing, 1,2,3 and 4 man CQC, VCQC, etc.have never stated I was a full time instructor as a matter of fact my = exact words were "I help out in training LE" in a private facility. I also mentioned that a lot of the cops that come in for private training do not know basic firearms or tactical terminology. Maybe they use a different terminology at different academies or departments?
Are these desk jockeys and fatasses or just 18 year olds straight out of the basic academy? Have you talked with these fellas and asked them why they attend your training, what they think they are lacking and what they learned after the training?
Never said on a range. During the week its an indoor kill house, room clearing, 1,2,3 and 4 man CQC, VCQC, etc.have never stated I was a full time instructor as a matter of fact my = exact words were "I help out in training LE" in a private facility. I also mentioned that a lot of the cops that come in for private training do not know basic firearms or tactical terminology. Maybe they use a different terminology at different academies or departments?
You know what Coach? Let's just agree to disagree. I said I was a Detective, you didn't believe me. You said you train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics. It doesn't matter in the big scheme of things. Let's move on.... there is so much Pizza gate and Biden Admin not paying for a dead soldiers to be transported to Arlington we can discuss.... lets not get bogged down in the details.
Cool video
The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics.
His name was Larry Poulson.
1. Did Biden say he wanted to take their guns away?
2. If so, then he was in the wrong, but I haven't heard anything that indicates Biden wants to take peoples guns away.
3. Even if the guy was full of Sh*% Bidens response was not professional. Obama, Bush Sr, Clinton, Reagan, maybe Bush Jr wouldnt have lost it. Trump... oh boy... Remember when Trump advocated violence? Was that not a big deal?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rally-violence_n_5bd121b1e4b055bc94882565
I agree Biden was unpresidential in his response. But are we playing on an even field here?
Ag007 I’m behind on this thread, I posted this just as a reminder to my original point that personality wise Trump and Biden aren’t that different. If this was Trump responding people would have gone nuts with the disrespect he showed here.
I don’t care if he did or didn’t say he wanted to take away guns, he responded the same way trump would have. That’s all I’m pointing out.
His name was Larry Poulson.
Dave, I hear what you are saying. I think in this instance you have a good point. But I have yet to hear Biden say anything negative about another candidates wife. Or that POW's are lesser because they were captured, or made claims about anyone that disagrees with him that "They came to me crying for a job" type stuff. Biden is an old buffoon. I just haven't seen where on a regular basis, he attacks others in the X10 way Trump does.
But to your specific point, I can't disagee
Biden belittles and yells at handlers in public. When confronted by a question he doesnt like, he snaps and acts like a child "I'll take you outside".
He brags about corruption, etc... Stop falling for "portrayal" you're not that stupid (I hope)...
nows the time to post the DOJ Instuctor certificate.. If you do, I’ll apologize for doubting you and you can do likewise
I was looking at the NRA website and they have a specific Law Enforcement section.
https://le.nra.org/law-enforcement-training/
They mention: "Our instructors consist of active and former police officers from around the country who are highly trained and well-respected professionals in the field."
Also:
They also mention these 2 categories which you also don't seem to fit into:
Coach, what type of NRA training do you have that you can train cops in firearms and tactical situations?
Qoach-47 doesn't fit in any of those categories.
- Not an active LE/PO
- Not a former LE/PO
- Not highly trained
- Not well respected
- Not certified or qualified to train cops
The only thing you own is that 47th chromosome.
And a reputation for being completely uncredible.
You seem butt hurt. Probably from sitting behind that keyboard talking shit
You seem full of shit. Probably from all the bullshit you post and can't prove.
You seem really stoopid. Oh wait...That's because you are. Yes I am handicapable. What's yourreasonexcuse?
The Bhank episodes have clued me into the need for a certain precision (apologies for bringing him up).Getbig is going to end up a forum of pedants.
Is “I help train LE officers” the same as “I train LE officers”? Not that people don’t try to exaggerate importance of efforts, but what is the least action that qualifies as “help train”? Do you help cook an omelet if you’re in the kitchen offering suggestions to the chef but never crack an egg? What if you crack and beat the eggs but never touch the stove?
The Bhank episodes have clued me into the need for a certain precision (apologies for bringing him up).
Is “I help train LE officers” the same as “I train LE officers”? Not that people don’t try to exaggerate importance of efforts, but what is the least action that qualifies as “help train”? Do you help cook an omelet if you’re in the kitchen offering suggestions to the chef but never crack an egg? What if you crack and beat the eggs but never touch the stove?
The Bhank episodes have clued me into the need for a certain precision (apologies for bringing him up).
Is “I help train LE officers” the same as “I train LE officers”? Not that people don’t try to exaggerate importance of efforts, but what is the least action that qualifies as “help train”? Do you help cook an omelet if you’re in the kitchen offering suggestions to the chef but never crack an egg? What if you crack and beat the eggs but never touch the stove?
Sure, what it means is, as an example, if they’re short an instructor and we have several groups in one kill house and we’re doing force on force drills, I’ll go through and explain the drill then into the facility where the rooms are. In that situation, we’ll work our pieing, footwork, weapon position, breach or entry, communicating, etc.
Basic home defense stuff. I also teach basic handgun and usually about once a month. If I decide to schedule it, I will teach and instructors course to certify instructors.
Sure, what it means is, as an example, if they’re short an instructor and we have several groups in one kill house and we’re doing force on force drills, I’ll go through and explain the drill then into the facility where the rooms are. In that situation, we’ll work our pieing, footwork, weapon position, breach or entry, communicating, etc.
Basic home defense stuff. I also teach basic handgun and usually about once a month. If I decide to schedule it, I will teach and instructors course to certify instructors.
My answer to what an average person would think is: “sweaty LE guys with guns in a room/rooms with instructors assisting from experience.”
Seriously, what you say here certainly seems to qualify to me that you “help train”.
I don't train anyone, I just like the smell. :)
I don't train anyone, I just like the smell. :)
Getbig is going to end up a forum of pedants.
The general public absolutely does not understand how dangerous violent criminals are that police encounter. A person armed with a knife 20 feet away, a person who has already received multiple gunshot wounds, even a resisting 120 pound woman.
A Scared Straight type educational program for schools and community groups showing the reality and some of the training films of real life scenarios that police watch showing the realities of that danger would go a long way.
I think you’re probably referring to the “21ft rule”. Basically the time It takes to close distance and strike from 21ft. Not an exact science it close. If you’re a CCW holder that doesn’t train, you’re dead or seriously injured, but if you can draw from conceal (appendix) in less than 1.2 you stand a good chance of surviving. 21ft rule theory is from first step to contact is 1.5sec depending on the athleticism of the attacker
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Yes, the "shoot them in the leg" crowd has no idea. Kids should be taught this in high schools
https://crooksandliars.com/2023/08/sound-freedom-investor-arrested-kidnappingDon't know the detail of the case but looks like he was one of about 6,600 people that crowdfunded the release.
Irony?
We reached out to Marta and spoke with him over a voice call on Messenger. He directed us to his lawyer for further questions.
By email, St. Louis-based Scott Rosenblum, an attorney representing Marta, confirmed it was true his client both provided some funding for "Sound of Freedom" and was under investigation for felony child kidnapping in Missouri. Police arrested Marta on July 23, according to the St. Louis Police Department. A court date was scheduled for Aug. 28.
"He has been charged," Rosenblum told Snopes. "We will enter a plea of not guilty."
The website for Angel Studios, the distributor for "Sound of Freedom," detailed that over 6,600 individuals pitched in as "Angel investors" to raise nearly $5 million in funds to go toward the movie's theatrical release.
The general public absolutely does not understand how dangerous violent cops are that people encounter.
Fellas what is this hoopla about this movie basically about? What's the bottom line argument? I could look it up but I'm looking for someone to spoon feed me. I did see on IG that all the right wing people support the movie and left wingers don't. Is it about believing/not believing in Hollywood pedo rings?
BTW who believes in these Hollywood pedo rings, is it a real large scale phenomenon? All I know is that every few tears there's going to be some big reveal and then nothing comes of it, it was all BS by some b-actor or tiny celebrity to get attention. Personally I think that of course Hollywood is dirty but people are desperate for some real sick shit to be revealed. Back whenever it was I looked a little at the Pizzagate thing and remember some "code speak" I didn't get a good answer on, what it was about, but basically these crazy conspiracy theories amount to nothing in the end.
Fellas what is this hoopla about this movie basically about? What's the bottom line argument? I could look it up but I'm looking for someone to spoon feed me. I did see on IG that all the right wing people support the movie and left wingers don't. Is it about believing/not believing in Hollywood pedo rings?
BTW who believes in these Hollywood pedo rings, is it a real large scale phenomenon? All I know is that every few tears there's going to be some big reveal and then nothing comes of it, it was all BS by some b-actor or tiny celebrity to get attention. Personally I think that of course Hollywood is dirty but people are desperate for some real sick shit to be revealed. Back whenever it was I looked a little at the Pizzagate thing and remember some "code speak" I didn't get a good answer on, what it was about, but basically these crazy conspiracy theories amount to nothing in the end.
Its a fucking movieExactly. Tired of hearing about accusations and supposed crimes with nothing being done.
Just hints and titbit pointers about child trafficking and whos responsible
If they had evidence they should just say it
Unfortunatly the people who they want to accuse are at the very top of the pyramid, they dont answer to anyone
Just look at the shit the Bidens have done, naddy zero ziltch done about it
Its a fucking movie
Just hints and titbit pointers about child trafficking and whos responsible
If they had evidence they should just say it
Unfortunatly the people who they want to accuse are at the very top of the pyramid, they dont answer to anyone
Just look at the shit the Bidens have done, naddy zero ziltch done about it
I did see some liberal mentions about the "fans" of this movie being the same people as the Q-Anon people, or that the movie intentionally plays to the same type of person and I guess it's thought that this will strengthen certain political factions. And when I saw the types of "influencers' praising the movie, some even before seeing it apparently, it was all a certain type of person with a certain agenda.
I love a good juicy conspiracy theory, I read them all the time on Ron Unz' site. But most of it is just shit and completely delusional. I think a lot of "evil" shit in this world is "boring" and banal and it actually helps to wonder about vast conspiracies when you feel really black pilled.
It's easy to fuck yourself up by getting into too much conspiracy thinking - predictably I saw one right wing influence saying it was suspicious who was FINANCING this movie and he thought this movie was actually liberals planting disinformation to confuse the right wingers, to hide the REAL conspiracy haha. Another evil psy-op. It's confusing but surely there's a big conspiracy to explain everything.
Just show the fucking undeniable proof of your theory that you claim to have.
Rolling Stone put that hit piece out the after they saw it. Bottom line. Liberals basically deny it exists…and most people dont really give enough of a fuck about faceless randoms kids getting raped to let go of their grip on the comfortable reality they have been fed since they were old enough to take in information.