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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: JackTheRipper on August 13, 2023, 11:03:41 AM
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Enjoy :D
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Good stuff, think I’ll integrate it into my programming 8)
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I didn't even watch the video. He took that A/B rotation directly from Frank Calta Mr. Florida.
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I didn't even watch the video. He took that A/B rotation directly from Frank Calta Mr. Florida.
Finally a smart comment. Frank Calta was awesome. Mr. Rotation for recuperation. Thank you for pointing that out..
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Finally a smart comment. Frank Calta was awesome. Mr. Rotation for recuperation. Thank you for pointing that out..
Yep. Old meth head copied other people's ideas. Never had an original thought of his own. Even Yates was influenced more by Calta than meth head as he did the A B split too in his early years.
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Holy shit. Mike even ripped off Frank’s signature mustache!
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Holy shit. Mike even ripped off Frank’s signature mustache!
Never heard of him & if he was so great why was he not up on the Mr O stage with Mike?
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I didn't even watch the video. He took that A/B rotation directly from Frank Calta Mr. Florida.
2 way splits have been around for decades even Gordon scott did them so no he did not copy him.
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@ 8:30 onwards
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Yep. Old meth head copied other people's ideas. Never had an original thought of his own. Even Yates was influenced more by Calta than meth head as he did the A B split too in his early years.
Mentzer didnt even follow his own advices.
He was just trying to be different for something to "sell"...
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Holy shit. Mike even ripped off Frank’s signature mustache!
Yep. Old methhead tried to look like Calta while trying to sound like Arthur Jones. Very weird guy.
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Never heard of him & if he was so great why was he not up on the Mr O stage with Mike?
He has as many Sandows as Mike
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Calta and his thoughts -
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2018/11/frank-calta-interview-doris-barrilleaux.html .
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He has as many Sandows as Mike
was he anything other than Mr florida? :D
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sorry ...Mr Tampa :D
A year later, he won the Mr. Tampa and Mr. Florida bodybuilding competitions. He weighed 205 pounds that year, bench pressed 450 pounds and squatted 575 pounds. National fitness magazines featured Calta flexing on the cover.
Did own some Gyms :)
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sorry ...Mr Tampa :D
A year later, he won the Mr. Tampa and Mr. Florida bodybuilding competitions. He weighed 205 pounds that year, bench pressed 450 pounds and squatted 575 pounds. National fitness magazines featured Calta flexing on the cover.
Did own some Gyms :)
Yeah he owned gyms and became a successful personnel trainer. He lived a good life married with kids.
meth head was a junkie spewing nonsense who ended up homeless a few times, stopped training, got fat, lived with his brother in a small apartment because both were broke, died alone.
Calta was indeed more successful than meth head.
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Yeah he owned gyms snd became a successful personnel trainer. He lived a good life married with kids.
meth head was a junkie spewing nonsense who ended up homeless a few times, stopped training, got fat, lived with his brother in a small apartment because both were broke, died alone.
Calta was indeed more successful than meth head.
How is your life bro ?..because this is exactly what you´re doing on here :D
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2 way splits have been around for decades even Gordon scott did them so no he did not copy him.
It's the rotation that Frank Calta came up and not the 2 way split. Mentzer would train legs, chest and triceps on Monday. On Wednesday it was back, delt and biceps. On Friday he would be back to legs chest and triceps. So half of his body got hit twice a week and one side once. The next week he would start Monday with back, delts and biceps. Wednesday he would use thighs, chest and triceps. Friday would be back, delts and biceps. The idea for this rotation came from Frank Calta and not Mentzer. Mentzer loved this split but never mentioned he got it from Frank.
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He has as many Sandows as Mike
:D Brutal but true. Calta died at 75 so he ended up better as well.
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Personally,I`d rather look like Frank in his prime than I would Mike.
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Personally,I`d rather look like Frank in his prime than I would Mike.
Frank at 70 looked better than Mike at 45.
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Frank at 70 looked better than Mike at 45.
:D
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Mikes´s arm pose was insane..
https://www.thebarbell.com/mike-mentzer-workout/
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Dorian + Mike the Kings of Mass !
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BOOM
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Dorian + Mike the Kings of Mass !
meth head was a manlet. Yates got owned by Victor Richards.
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meth head was a manlet. Yates got owned by Victor Richards.
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Frank at 70 looked better than Mike at 45.
Mike and his brother both looked sickly at 45. Was it worth it?
Sometimes I think these runners who do bodyweight stuff have the right idea. Doing that you could look good on the beach and great in a tee shirt or suit. On top of it you will put the odds of good health far in your favor.
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Mike and his brother both looked sickly at 45. Was it worth it?
Sometimes I think these runners who do bodyweight stuff have the right idea. Doing that you could look on the beach and great in a tee shirt or suit. On top of it you will put the odds of good health far in your favor.
Bodyweight or weights without being meth heads, over-dosing on steroids, smoking like chimneys, eating badly, and mentally ill would be better for sure.
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Bodyweight or weights without being meth heads, over-dosing on steroids, smoking like chimneys, eating badly, and mentally ill would be better for sure.
My youngest brother was a meth addict. :'( He took his own life because reality was too real for him. And the democrat governor of Oregon and their legislature made heroin and meth "legal" for "personal" use.
Mentzer was an idiot for taking that (among a ton of other crap) shit. After what happened to me I am just working as best I can to be at least recognizable to my family and friends.
There are many here that inspire me that I would be proud to shakes hands with. To them I say, thank you. I don't train like Mentzer, Arnold or even Zane. I train like you guys. At little of this and a little of that. Thanks again not only for being here for me, but for being here for each other.
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Mike and his brother both looked sickly at 45. Was it worth it?
Sometimes I think these runners who do bodyweight stuff have the right idea. Doing that you could look on the beach and great in a tee shirt or suit. On top of it you will put the odds of good health far in your favor.
I have been doing mostly bodyweight exercises for a while now but still lift weights. The iron is addicting.
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Ray Mentzer is not spoken about as much as Mike..but dude was strong !
A;B;C workout
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Mike is spot on here..
supinated chins or supinated pull downs are great for biceps / Lats.
mike was way ahead with his knowledge.
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Dorian knew this too & built a solid back with his Yates rows...BOOM !
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Mike was about my age here. He carries himself worse than my 75yo father.
&ab_channel=HIT4120
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Mike was about my age here. He carries himself worse than my 75yo father.
&ab_channel=HIT4120
so apart from insulting the man..what is your opinions on his training, this is what the thread is about asshole ::)
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so apart from insulting the man..what is your opinions on his training, this is what the thread is about asshole ::)
he trained like everyone else.
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He has as many Sandows as Mike
I heard Mike was robbed , a Sandow was literally taken away from him…..
Not sure what year it was though.
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I heard Mike was robbed , a Sandow was literally taken away from him…..
Not sure what year it was though.
I think some relatively unknown lean, dry actor came in at the last minute and “stole” it from Mike
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I think some relatively unknown lean, dry actor came in at the last minute and “stole” it from Mike
the one who was more than just a "friend" for Paul Graham ? :-X
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the one who was more than just a "friend" for Paul Graham ? :-X
According to reliable Getbig sources
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According to reliable Getbig sources
God you are stupid.. :D
muscle,smoke & mirrors ..read it bro ;)
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I have been doing mostly bodyweight exercises for a while now but still lift weights. The iron is addicting.
I got interested in weights because Weider was headquartered in NJ in my hometown when I was a kid. They gave me stacks of free magazines. Sometimes I wish I was never introduced to bodybuilding or weights. A man can look amazing with bodyweight exercise and doing cardio like running. Just look alone at the ruined shoulders, knees, elbows and hips from lifting. I won't even mention the bad hearts, kidneys and prostates. The list is long of famous bodybuilders who ruined their joints. In the end are we just insecure little boys trying to be viewed as men? What's important in life regarding exercise? I would argue health, fitness and a better life through fitness are more important than a temporary steroid physique.
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so apart from insulting the man..what is your opinions on his training, this is what the thread is about asshole ::)
Insulting because his life choices lead him to an early demise? I am just stating facts.
Regarding his training, i have used it with some success because i never had the recovery hability to do volume. Now i do not;
Training to failure, even only in the concentric wears you down, muscularly and the nervous system. I keep failure 1 or 2 reps away. Keeps my soreness in control.
I still endorse intensity and small volume but not to the extent that Mike advocated.
For the ones who bodybuild for life, training to failure is not a good option. Too demanding.
Look at olympic weightlifting styles, Russian vs American. Russians train at 70 - 80% of their max, Americans train very close to 100%. Now compare both athletes career span. American is much shorter.
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I got interested in weights because Weider was headquartered in NJ in my hometown when I was a kid. They gave me stacks of free magazines. Sometimes I wish I was never introduced to bodybuilding or weights. A man can look amazing with bodyweight exercise and doing cardio like running. Just look alone at the ruined shoulders, knees, elbows and hips from lifting. I won't even mention the bad hearts, kidneys and prostates. The list is long of famous bodybuilders who ruined their joints. In the end are we just insecure little boys trying to be viewed as men? What's important in life regarding exercise? I would argue health, fitness and a better life through fitness are more important than a temporary steroid physique.
True, but most injuries are from bad training. We were simply encouraged to go too heavy.
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True, but most injuries are from bad training. We were simply encouraged to go too heavy.
I think everyone wants to get strong when they are young lifting weights. That heavy lifting will catch up with you. I weighed 144lbs when I was squatting 400lbs, deadlifting 400 and other stupid stuff. I remember doing Chuck Sipes partial rack method to get a better bench. I hurt my shoulder so bad I couldn't train for many months. I was only around 19. Never got over 300lbs bench. I lifted heavier as I got older but like I said before that weight will get you.
Today when I see guys doing partial dumbbell presses and partial leg presses with the weight of a car I cringe. Make a moderate weight heavy through slowing down the movement and going full range. You can do also use lighter weight by making the rest between sets short. A light weight gets really heavy if you so something like 5 sets of 10 with 30 seconds of rest between. That light weight for the first two sets gets really heavy if you limit the rest.
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I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..
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I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..
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Today when I see guys doing partial dumbbell presses and partial leg presses with the weight of a car I cringe. Make a moderate weight heavy through slowing down the movement and going full range. You can do also use lighter weight by making the rest between sets short. A light weight gets really heavy if you so something like 5 sets of 10 with 30 seconds of rest between. That light weight for the first two sets gets really heavy if you limit the rest.
BINGO
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I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..
Ray never said he trained with (s)HIT exclusively. This caused friction with his brother.
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I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..
Cool story Bro ... ::)
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Yeah he owned gyms and became a successful personnel trainer. He lived a good life married with kids.
meth head was a junkie spewing nonsense who ended up homeless a few times, stopped training, got fat, lived with his brother in a small apartment because both were broke, died alone.
Calta was indeed more successful than meth head.
Are these two stoned or drunk here?
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HIT is a religion.
Respect the religion of others.
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya...
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HIT is a religion.
Respect the religion of others.
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya...
Arthur Jones = Jesus Mentzer = Peter Sisco & Little = James & John
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Arthur Jones = Jesus Mentzer = Peter Sisco & Little = James & John
Wes = Moses
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Wes = Moses
"Let my people GROW!!" ;D
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I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..
Same with Yates.
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God you are stupid.. :D
muscle,smoke & mirrors ..read it bro ;)
That book is full of fiction. It has no evidence.
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Yes. Hit is in fact dead. John Heart is another con job selling the HIT kool aid but provides no evidence of hit being successful. Hit clearly hasn't worked for him as he's getting skinnier every year.
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I got interested in weights because Weider was headquartered in NJ in my hometown when I was a kid. They gave me stacks of free magazines. Sometimes I wish I was never introduced to bodybuilding or weights. A man can look amazing with bodyweight exercise and doing cardio like running. Just look alone at the ruined shoulders, knees, elbows and hips from lifting. I won't even mention the bad hearts, kidneys and prostates. The list is long of famous bodybuilders who ruined their joints. In the end are we just insecure little boys trying to be viewed as men? What's important in life regarding exercise? I would argue health, fitness and a better life through fitness are more important than a temporary steroid physique.
Anything taken to the extreme us bad. Like all these long distance runners. Some claim they are in horrible cardiovascular shape, likely to die "early." And of course the legs and feet are toast with osteoporosis. Tons of small fractures. I haven't verified everything here but it's been reported many times that endurance athletes can be quite sickly, gettting heart attacks. Then of course you have the completely decimated testosterone level. They have done a bunch of studies on Clomid for endurance athletes. And antidepressants to combat overtraining symptoms.
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Wes = Moses
:D He would say Methuselah.
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First of all Mentzer thought he was better than he was. Notice how he bitched about the 80 Olympia being rigged stolen and whatever. BUT he thought his perfect 300 score was ok. NOW he should have complained about it because no one is "perfect" but he didn't. So he actually thought his body was perfect. Although he wasn't the first to get a 300 in competition. Carlos rodriguez ( spelled wrong) was the first but he didn't go around sayin "I'm perfect I'm the best etc"
Now on to his training theory. On paper it sounds perfect. Pound a muscle as hard as you can totally destroy it as fast as you can get it to go beyond what it can do and then give it time to rest and recuperate. Great . Sounds right BUT he fails to take into consideration that the body doesn't work that way. What about the nervous system? The mental system ? Also after roughly 96 hours or so the body starts making the muscle back to what it was. So his way is pound the muscle let it rest/recuperate for way to long then do it again. So basically you are going nowhere making little to no improvement because you had to rest too long.
So your nervous system mental system joints etc are being killed and for what? Mentzer just didn't understand that. He was trying to sell something that sounds good to those that are to lazy to really train. He did the same as everyone else most of the time. Just like his dieting. He failed to mention his other drugs besides steroids that he used. And he would say so and so improved so many reps and weight when he trained him that that was proof his way worked. Well hello there Mike. EVERYONE improves when working out due to they are getting used to the exercise and they find their form/groove. NOT because they got bigger and stronger. That comes with time. But to a lot of lazy people they think that is progress. Mentzer was out to make a buck but then he got wrapped up in things and the more people told him how wrong he was he went event further into insanity trying to push his b.s.
I am from his era of bodybuilding. I tried them all . Bought the books courses and magazines. All the supplements too. Believed what I read. SMH. Scams just scams. No truth. Then I started figuring things out. Got my first d ball prescription at age 16 and never looked back. lol. The human body is in fact designed to work hard each and everyday up to a point. It will recuperate so we can do the same work the next day. Of course it needs to sleep and eat. Look at construction workers gymnasts track athletes etc. They do their thing and they recuperate each and everyday and most of them have some good physiques . However look at long distance runners . They do too much too often. If they did it 3 times a week they would look and feel so much better. Their cardiovascular condition does not improve any more doing 7 day a week then it would doing 3 days. BUT they are all idiots anyways so we will stop with that
So train hard train often and train long ( up to a point. everyone is different but really an hour or so 5 or 6 days a week is usually about right) eat good food ( a calorie is not a calorie when trying to build muscle and or lose fat. Sure you will lose weight on the whole calorie is a calorie thing if the calories are low but you will lose muscle mostly and little fat) and get a good nights sleep. and you will grow. Oh and take steroids if you want to grow big and quicker.
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First of all Mentzer thought he was better than he was. Notice how he bitched about the 80 Olympia being rigged stolen and whatever. BUT he thought his perfect 300 score was ok. NOW he should have complained about it because no one is "perfect" but he didn't. So he actually thought his body was perfect. Although he wasn't the first to get a 300 in competition. Carlos rodriguez ( spelled wrong) was the first but he didn't go around sayin "I'm perfect I'm the best etc"
Now on to his training theory. On paper it sounds perfect. Pound a muscle as hard as you can totally destroy it as fast as you can get it to go beyond what it can do and then give it time to rest and recuperate. Great . Sounds right BUT he fails to take into consideration that the body doesn't work that way. What about the nervous system? The mental system ? Also after roughly 96 hours or so the body starts making the muscle back to what it was. So his way is pound the muscle let it rest/recuperate for way to long then do it again. So basically you are going nowhere making little to no improvement because you had to rest too long.
So your nervous system mental system joints etc are being killed and for what? Mentzer just didn't understand that. He was trying to sell something that sounds good to those that are to lazy to really train. He did the same as everyone else most of the time. Just like his dieting. He failed to mention his other drugs besides steroids that he used. And he would say so and so improved so many reps and weight when he trained him that that was proof his way worked. Well hello there Mike. EVERYONE improves when working out due to they are getting used to the exercise and they find their form/groove. NOT because they got bigger and stronger. That comes with time. But to a lot of lazy people they think that is progress. Mentzer was out to make a buck but then he got wrapped up in things and the more people told him how wrong he was he went event further into insanity trying to push his b.s.
I am from his era of bodybuilding. I tried them all . Bought the books courses and magazines. All the supplements too. Believed what I read. SMH. Scams just scams. No truth. Then I started figuring things out. Got my first d ball prescription at age 16 and never looked back. lol. The human body is in fact designed to work hard each and everyday up to a point. It will recuperate so we can do the same work the next day. Of course it needs to sleep and eat. Look at construction workers gymnasts track athletes etc. They do their thing and they recuperate each and everyday and most of them have some good physiques . However look at long distance runners . They do too much too often. If they did it 3 times a week they would look and feel so much better. Their cardiovascular condition does not improve any more doing 7 day a week then it would doing 3 days. BUT they are all idiots anyways so we will stop with that
So train hard train often and train long ( up to a point. everyone is different but really an hour or so 5 or 6 days a week is usually about right) eat good food ( a calorie is not a calorie when trying to build muscle and or lose fat. Sure you will lose weight on the whole calorie is a calorie thing if the calories are low but you will lose muscle mostly and little fat) and get a good nights sleep. and you will grow. Oh and take steroids if you want to grow big and quicker.
I'm not reading a book.
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I tried it for awhile in the mid '70s as on paper it seems like it should work. It didn't really for me and I went back to the normal 10 to 25 or so sets be bodypart bt that required a ridiculous amount of calories and I did it for many years to come.
H.I.T./Heavy Duty offered many of us a life outside the gym and that is why we tried it. I used to do twice a day (roughly 5 hours total) 6 days per week training. I reached 250lbs, at 6' 1/5" in height and fairly strong but when I stopped going to commercial gyms (our first child arrived!) I trained at home with basic exercises. As our children got older I tried "Dinosaur Training" and that along with H.I.T. wiped me out.
I am relatively certain that if I had taken as shitload of AAS, I would have recovered a LOT better and gotten even bigger and stronger with either H.I.T. or traditional volume training as that is the ONLY difference in how I trained regardless of the style of training. Genetics are real but drugs have allowed many a turd to bypass their innate shit genes and go far beyond what training naturally would allow.
Don't think so? Nick Walker. ::)
In the film Pumping Iron we all saw the difference in the IFBB champions compared to competitors in the local shows. DRUGS work really well.
A form of H.I.T. + drugs works.
A form of volume training + drugs works.
Which one works better is most likely an individual result for us all.
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I tried it for awhile in the mid '70s as on paper it seems like it should work. It didn't really for me and I went back to the normal 10 to 25 or so sets be bodypart bt that required a ridiculous amount of calories and I did it for many years to come.
H.I.T./Heavy Duty offered many of us a life outside the gym and that is why we tried it. I used to do twice a day (roughly 5 hours total) 6 days per week training. I reached 250lbs, at 6' 1/5" in height and fairly strong but when I stopped going to commercial gyms (our first child arrived!) I trained at home with basic exercises. As our children got older I tried "Dinosaur Training" and that along with H.I.T. wiped me out.
I am relatively certain that if I had taken as shitload of AAS, I would have recovered a LOT better and gotten even bigger and stronger with either H.I.T. or traditional volume training as that is the ONLY difference in how I trained regardless of the style of training. Genetics are real but drugs have allowed many a turd to bypass their innate shit genes and go far beyond what training naturally would allow.
Don't think so? Nick Walker. ::)
In the film Pumping Iron we all saw the difference in the IFBB champions compared to competitors in the local shows. DRUGS work really well.
A form of H.I.T. + drugs works.
A form of volume training + drugs works.
Which one works better is most likely an individual result for us all.
YUP !
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I got interested in weights because Weider was headquartered in NJ in my hometown when I was a kid. They gave me stacks of free magazines. Sometimes I wish I was never introduced to bodybuilding or weights. A man can look amazing with bodyweight exercise and doing cardio like running. Just look alone at the ruined shoulders, knees, elbows and hips from lifting. I won't even mention the bad hearts, kidneys and prostates. The list is long of famous bodybuilders who ruined their joints. In the end are we just insecure little boys trying to be viewed as men? What's important in life regarding exercise? I would argue health, fitness and a better life through fitness are more important than a temporary steroid physique.
First off Life is Temporary & all that comes along in it.
Not Just a Steroid physique. ::)
So many other pastimes / sports /hobbies / indulgences have bad long term
effects / injuries & deaths - what's your point ?
We should do Fuck all & just sit/stay at home all the time for fear of injury
or death ? Yeah great life experience.
You don't want to take steroids/ smoke / drink / REC drugs / or do contact
sports / or high risk things - that's great Don't do them, Simple.
Many others do want to & they do those things let them get on with it,
How does it affect you ?
Stop being so negative - like it or not life on this planet has always involved
Risks - be it our own doing or from nature or from other animals or humans.
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First off Life is Temporary & all that comes along in it.
Not Just a Steroid physique. ::)
So many other pastimes / sports /hobbies / indulgences have bad long term
effects / injuries & deaths - what's your point ?
We should do Fuck all & just sit/stay at home all the time for fear of injury
or death ? Yeah great life experience.
You don't want to take steroids/ smoke / drink / REC drugs / or do contact
sports / or high risk things - that's great Don't do them, Simple.
Many others do want to & they do those things let them get on with it,
How does it affect you ?
Stop being so negative - like it or not life on this planet has always involved
Risks - be it our own doing or from nature or from other animals or humans.
All of my friends that took steroids in the '70s onward were honest about it. Honesty is what matters to me. They didn't need to tell me when they were off as it was readily apparent. ;) Come to think of it, it was also easy to know when they were as it was contest season!
Good men all of them. Was I jealous of them? Yup! To a degree because they had a look I couldn't get and pretty much all of them were stronger than me on most lifts, more than a few were even when off and back at their off season training because they had built their foundation well.
If ever my doctors approve me for TRT/HRT I will know it is safe because to date despite having little usable testosterone in my blood, they said it is not yet safe for me. I trust them.
And when I stopped training I ate less and lost a LOT of me, LOL! Just goes to show that like you said before, it is all temporary my brother! ;D
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Mike was the King ! :D
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First of all Mentzer thought he was better than he was. Notice how he bitched about the 80 Olympia being rigged stolen and whatever. BUT he thought his perfect 300 score was ok. NOW he should have complained about it because no one is "perfect" but he didn't. So he actually thought his body was perfect. Although he wasn't the first to get a 300 in competition. Carlos rodriguez ( spelled wrong) was the first but he didn't go around sayin "I'm perfect I'm the best etc"
Now on to his training theory. On paper it sounds perfect. Pound a muscle as hard as you can totally destroy it as fast as you can get it to go beyond what it can do and then give it time to rest and recuperate. Great . Sounds right BUT he fails to take into consideration that the body doesn't work that way. What about the nervous system? The mental system ? Also after roughly 96 hours or so the body starts making the muscle back to what it was. So his way is pound the muscle let it rest/recuperate for way to long then do it again. So basically you are going nowhere making little to no improvement because you had to rest too long.
So your nervous system mental system joints etc are being killed and for what? Mentzer just didn't understand that. He was trying to sell something that sounds good to those that are to lazy to really train. He did the same as everyone else most of the time. Just like his dieting. He failed to mention his other drugs besides steroids that he used. And he would say so and so improved so many reps and weight when he trained him that that was proof his way worked. Well hello there Mike. EVERYONE improves when working out due to they are getting used to the exercise and they find their form/groove. NOT because they got bigger and stronger. That comes with time. But to a lot of lazy people they think that is progress. Mentzer was out to make a buck but then he got wrapped up in things and the more people told him how wrong he was he went event further into insanity trying to push his b.s.
I am from his era of bodybuilding. I tried them all . Bought the books courses and magazines. All the supplements too. Believed what I read. SMH. Scams just scams. No truth. Then I started figuring things out. Got my first d ball prescription at age 16 and never looked back. lol. The human body is in fact designed to work hard each and everyday up to a point. It will recuperate so we can do the same work the next day. Of course it needs to sleep and eat. Look at construction workers gymnasts track athletes etc. They do their thing and they recuperate each and everyday and most of them have some good physiques . However look at long distance runners . They do too much too often. If they did it 3 times a week they would look and feel so much better. Their cardiovascular condition does not improve any more doing 7 day a week then it would doing 3 days. BUT they are all idiots anyways so we will stop with that
So train hard train often and train long ( up to a point. everyone is different but really an hour or so 5 or 6 days a week is usually about right) eat good food ( a calorie is not a calorie when trying to build muscle and or lose fat. Sure you will lose weight on the whole calorie is a calorie thing if the calories are low but you will lose muscle mostly and little fat) and get a good nights sleep. and you will grow. Oh and take steroids if you want to grow big and quicker.
Great comment. 👍
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I'm not reading a book.
And it shows. 😃
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Mike was the King ! :D
King of failure. 😂
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King of failure. 😂
Literally and figuratively.
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King of failure. 😂
Negative comment bro... :D
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Negative comment bro... :D
Factual comment
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Factual comment
The joke went over your head..never mind :D
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The joke went over your head..never mind :D
Of course it would It's a intellectual mental Midget ;D
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i actually have a video from gmv video mike and ray mentzer in the gym, they did slow controlled reps. perfect form this was shot in 78 or 79 mike looked awesome in the video here is a link to it.
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i actually have a video from gmv video mike and ray mentzer in the gym, they did slow controlled reps. perfect form this was shot in 78 or 79 mike looked awesome in the video here is a link to it.
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Mike´s muscle had thickness & density..something which heavy Duty athletes get .
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i actually have a video from gmv video mike and ray mentzer in the gym, they did slow controlled reps. perfect form this was shot in 78 or 79 mike looked awesome in the video here is a link to it.
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I have a feeling those slow reps were for the video shoot and not the rep speed they used in the gym away from the camera.
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mentzer used super slow reps ( TUT )
Mentzer used slow and deliberate reps to maximize intramuscular tension and control. It was Mentzer's belief that if you can't pause a lift and contract, you used momentum to get there.
https://www.t-nation.com/training/6-heavy-duty-training-tactics/#:~:text=Emphasize%20Slow%2C%20Deliberate%20Tension,used%20momentum%20to%20get%20there.
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Anything taken to the extreme us bad. Like all these long distance runners. Some claim they are in horrible cardiovascular shape, likely to die "early." And of course the legs and feet are toast with osteoporosis. Tons of small fractures. I haven't verified everything here but it's been reported many times that endurance athletes can be quite sickly, gettting heart attacks. Then of course you have the completely decimated testosterone level. They have done a bunch of studies on Clomid for endurance athletes. And antidepressants to combat overtraining symptoms.
How can you be in horrible cardiovascular shape if you can run fast for miles? Strange statement. Running makes bones stronger. Yes, you can get stress fractures from over use can happen. Usually for runners that do stuff like 5-10 plus miles a day every day.
According to very involved stats from the Cooper clinic cardio improves health but extreme mileage decreases health. Doctor Cooper himself that coined the phrase Aerobics as it is applied to cardio said a sweet spot for running is 15 miles a week of running but it's not a hard fast rule. He used a bell graph to show longevity of runners and their mileage.
The first thing they do with many people who had heart attacks or heart surgery in rehab is to get them on a treadmill. Bunch of studies with clomid and runners? Clomid is a banned substance in the Olympics. Yes, extreme running can lower testosterone. It can also increase it. Going out for 10 miles a day is stress on your body. Just like lifting with volume for hours a day.
Very involved many decade research by the Cooper clinic has the stats to show, exercising using cardio just 30 minutes a day, you can increase your longevity up to six years and decrease your risk of all-cause mortality by 58 percent.
The best answer could be running like all cardio is good for your health but like a drug it must be taken in the right dose.
Don't get me wrong. Lifting and eating right is another part of the equation. In the end the most important component is the luck of the gene pool you came from.
What cardio can do.
1. The heart is a muscle and it's strength is measured with how slow the resting heart rate is and the VO2.
2. Cardio decreases triglycerides which is fat in your blood.
3. Cardio lowers blood sugar so it decreases the odds of diabetes.
4. Cardio can decrease fatty liver and having a fatty liver causes metabolic issues.
5. Cardio increases HDL lipids.
6. Weight bearing cardio increases bone density. Of course extremes like marathon training can decrease it.
7. Cardio increases the health of heart capillaries of the heart.
8. Cardio decreases both subcutaneous fat and deadly visceral fat.
9. Cardio decreases depression and improves brain function. Source: Spark by John Ratley MD.
I could go on but the few above come to mind.
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How can you be in horrible cardiovascular shape if you can run fast for miles? Strange statement. Running makes bones stronger. Yes, you can get stress fractures from over use can happen. Usually for runners that do stuff like 5-10 plus miles a day every day.
According to very involved stats from the Cooper clinic cardio improves health but extreme mileage decreases health. Doctor Cooper himself that coined the phrase Aerobics as it is applied to cardio said a sweet spot for running is 15 miles a week of running but it's not a hard fast rule. He used a bell graph to show longevity of runners and their mileage.
The first thing they do with many people who had heart attacks or heart surgery in rehab is to get them on a treadmill. Bunch of studies with clomid and runners? Clomid is a banned substance in the Olympics. Yes, extreme running can lower testosterone. It can also increase it. Going out for 10 miles a day is stress on your body. Just like lifting with volume for hours a day.
Very involved many decade research by the Cooper clinic has the stats to show, exercising using cardio just 30 minutes a day, you can increase your longevity up to six years and decrease your risk of all-cause mortality by 58 percent.
The best answer could be running like all cardio is good for your health but like a drug it must be taken in the right dose.
Don't get me wrong. Lifting and eating right is another part of the equation. In the end the most important component is the luck of the gene pool you came from.
What cardio can do.
1. The heart is a muscle and it's strength is measured with how slow the resting heart rate is and the VO2.
2. Cardio decreases triglycerides which is fat in your blood.
3. Cardio lowers blood sugar so it decreases the odds of diabetes.
4. Cardio can decrease fatty liver and having a fatty liver causes metabolic issues.
5. Cardio increases HDL lipids.
6. Weight bearing cardio increases bone density. Of course extremes like marathon training can decrease it.
7. Cardio increases the health of heart capillaries of the heart.
8. Cardio decreases both subcutaneous fat and deadly visceral fat.
9. Cardio decreases depression and improves brain function. Source: Spark by John Ratley MD.
I could go on but the few above come to mind.
Nope a bike .. this is why nearly every cardiologist uses a stationary bike for their tests.
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First of all Mentzer thought he was better than he was. Notice how he bitched about the 80 Olympia being rigged stolen and whatever. BUT he thought his perfect 300 score was ok. NOW he should have complained about it because no one is "perfect" but he didn't. So he actually thought his body was perfect. Although he wasn't the first to get a 300 in competition. Carlos rodriguez ( spelled wrong) was the first but he didn't go around sayin "I'm perfect I'm the best etc"
Now on to his training theory. On paper it sounds perfect. Pound a muscle as hard as you can totally destroy it as fast as you can get it to go beyond what it can do and then give it time to rest and recuperate. Great . Sounds right BUT he fails to take into consideration that the body doesn't work that way. What about the nervous system? The mental system ? Also after roughly 96 hours or so the body starts making the muscle back to what it was. So his way is pound the muscle let it rest/recuperate for way to long then do it again. So basically you are going nowhere making little to no improvement because you had to rest too long.
So your nervous system mental system joints etc are being killed and for what? Mentzer just didn't understand that. He was trying to sell something that sounds good to those that are to lazy to really train. He did the same as everyone else most of the time. Just like his dieting. He failed to mention his other drugs besides steroids that he used. And he would say so and so improved so many reps and weight when he trained him that that was proof his way worked. Well hello there Mike. EVERYONE improves when working out due to they are getting used to the exercise and they find their form/groove. NOT because they got bigger and stronger. That comes with time. But to a lot of lazy people they think that is progress. Mentzer was out to make a buck but then he got wrapped up in things and the more people told him how wrong he was he went event further into insanity trying to push his b.s.
I am from his era of bodybuilding. I tried them all . Bought the books courses and magazines. All the supplements too. Believed what I read. SMH. Scams just scams. No truth. Then I started figuring things out. Got my first d ball prescription at age 16 and never looked back. lol. The human body is in fact designed to work hard each and everyday up to a point. It will recuperate so we can do the same work the next day. Of course it needs to sleep and eat. Look at construction workers gymnasts track athletes etc. They do their thing and they recuperate each and everyday and most of them have some good physiques . However look at long distance runners . They do too much too often. If they did it 3 times a week they would look and feel so much better. Their cardiovascular condition does not improve any more doing 7 day a week then it would doing 3 days. BUT they are all idiots anyways so we will stop with that
So train hard train often and train long ( up to a point. everyone is different but really an hour or so 5 or 6 days a week is usually about right) eat good food ( a calorie is not a calorie when trying to build muscle and or lose fat. Sure you will lose weight on the whole calorie is a calorie thing if the calories are low but you will lose muscle mostly and little fat) and get a good nights sleep. and you will grow. Oh and take steroids if you want to grow big and quicker.
Good post.
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I got interested in weights because Weider was headquartered in NJ in my hometown when I was a kid. They gave me stacks of free magazines. Sometimes I wish I was never introduced to bodybuilding or weights. A man can look amazing with bodyweight exercise and doing cardio like running. Just look alone at the ruined shoulders, knees, elbows and hips from lifting. I won't even mention the bad hearts, kidneys and prostates. The list is long of famous bodybuilders who ruined their joints. In the end are we just insecure little boys trying to be viewed as men? What's important in life regarding exercise? I would argue health, fitness and a better life through fitness are more important than a temporary steroid physique.
That must have been cool. Did you meet any famous bb's?
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First of all Mentzer thought he was better than he was. Notice how he bitched about the 80 Olympia being rigged stolen and whatever. BUT he thought his perfect 300 score was ok. NOW he should have complained about it because no one is "perfect" but he didn't. So he actually thought his body was perfect. Although he wasn't the first to get a 300 in competition. Carlos rodriguez ( spelled wrong) was the first but he didn't go around sayin "I'm perfect I'm the best etc"
Now on to his training theory. On paper it sounds perfect. Pound a muscle as hard as you can totally destroy it as fast as you can get it to go beyond what it can do and then give it time to rest and recuperate. Great . Sounds right BUT he fails to take into consideration that the body doesn't work that way. What about the nervous system? The mental system ? Also after roughly 96 hours or so the body starts making the muscle back to what it was. So his way is pound the muscle let it rest/recuperate for way to long then do it again. So basically you are going nowhere making little to no improvement because you had to rest too long.
So your nervous system mental system joints etc are being killed and for what? Mentzer just didn't understand that. He was trying to sell something that sounds good to those that are to lazy to really train. He did the same as everyone else most of the time. Just like his dieting. He failed to mention his other drugs besides steroids that he used. And he would say so and so improved so many reps and weight when he trained him that that was proof his way worked. Well hello there Mike. EVERYONE improves when working out due to they are getting used to the exercise and they find their form/groove. NOT because they got bigger and stronger. That comes with time. But to a lot of lazy people they think that is progress. Mentzer was out to make a buck but then he got wrapped up in things and the more people told him how wrong he was he went event further into insanity trying to push his b.s.
I am from his era of bodybuilding. I tried them all . Bought the books courses and magazines. All the supplements too. Believed what I read. SMH. Scams just scams. No truth. Then I started figuring things out. Got my first d ball prescription at age 16 and never looked back. lol. The human body is in fact designed to work hard each and everyday up to a point. It will recuperate so we can do the same work the next day. Of course it needs to sleep and eat. Look at construction workers gymnasts track athletes etc. They do their thing and they recuperate each and everyday and most of them have some good physiques . However look at long distance runners . They do too much too often. If they did it 3 times a week they would look and feel so much better. Their cardiovascular condition does not improve any more doing 7 day a week then it would doing 3 days. BUT they are all idiots anyways so we will stop with that
So train hard train often and train long ( up to a point. everyone is different but really an hour or so 5 or 6 days a week is usually about right) eat good food ( a calorie is not a calorie when trying to build muscle and or lose fat. Sure you will lose weight on the whole calorie is a calorie thing if the calories are low but you will lose muscle mostly and little fat) and get a good nights sleep. and you will grow. Oh and take steroids if you want to grow big and quicker.
Have you competed at his level & had as you wrote a 300 "perfect" score?
just curious :D
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Nope a bike .. this is why nearly every cardiologist uses a stationary bike for their tests.
In the US, treadmill is the exercise modality of choice for cardiac stress tests. Stationary bike has some advantages but it is ultimately dependent on the strength and endurance of the quadriceps muscles. For those not accustomed to riding a bicycle, they are likely to be limited by discomfort in these muscles and will quit before reaching maximum oxygen uptake.
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In the US, treadmill is the exercise modality of choice for cardiac stress tests. Stationary bike has some advantages but it is ultimately dependent on the strength and endurance of the quadriceps muscles. For those not accustomed to riding a bicycle, they are likely to be limited by discomfort in these muscles and will quit before reaching maximum oxygen uptake.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/stress-test/about/pac-20385234#:~:text=They%20record%20the%20heart's%20rhythm,takes%20only%20around%2015%20minutes.
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People have had heart attacks during stress tests.
They are foolish to do and prove nothing.
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People have had heart attacks during stress tests.
They are foolish to do and prove nothing.
If that was the case then they clearly were ill before the tests & the people were not supervised correctly. Simple as that.
Nothing sinister
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If that was the case then they clearly were ill before the tests & the people were not supervised correctly. Simple as that.
Nothing sinister
No, it's evill.
Stress tests just put stress on your heart with great risk.
An EKG is much better with no danger.
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No, it's evill.
Stress tests just put stress on your heart for a purpose.
An EKG is much better with no danger.
exactly !
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exactly !
See my edit.
And don't argue with me.
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the only other alternative is to have this .. i know because i have had this check up.
They can go into your artery near your groin or wrist.
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https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/stress-test/about/pac-20385234#:~:text=They%20record%20the%20heart's%20rhythm,takes%20only%20around%2015%20minutes.
This doesn’t contradict my statement, nor does it support your assertion.
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This doesn’t contradict my statement, nor does it support your assertion.
went over your head :D
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People have had heart attacks during stress tests.
They are foolish to do and prove nothing.
What a silly statement to make. How else would you evaluate cardiac function under physical exertion?
Someone who has a heart attack during a cardiac stress test is a ticking time bomb who was going to infarct in the near future anyways. Having an infarction in a clinical setting with a cardiologist at one’s side is the best possible place for it to happen.
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went over your head :D
Possibly. Since you undoubtedly understand it better than me, surely you can explain why it contradicts my statement, no?
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the only other alternative is to have this .. i know because i have had this check up.
They can go into your artery near your groin or wrist.
Not even remotely similar to a cardiac stress test, not to mention significantly riskier and more invasive.
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Not even remotely similar to a cardiac stress test, not to mention significantly riskier and more invasive.
you know nothing.. i´m trying to educate you here but obviously you´re a dead head. ::)
Please do not waste my time
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the only other alternative is to have this .. i know because i have had this check up.
They can go into your artery near your groin or wrist.
I play a Doctor on Getbig and you are just wrong.
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What a silly statement to make. How else would you evaluate cardiac function under physical exertion?
Someone who has a heart attack during a cardiac stress test is a ticking time bomb who was going to infarct in the near future anyways. Having an infarction in a clinical setting with a cardiologist at one’s side is the best possible place for it to happen.
Makes complete sense to cause a heart attack.
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I play a Doctor on Getbig and you are just wrong.
It is minimal surgery where they can see everything. It is performed with no anesthesia only if desired.
Makes complete sense to cause a heart attack.
WOW..what a dumb comment !
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It is minimal surgery where they can see everything. It is performed with no anesthesia only if desired.
WOW..what a dumb comment !
I'm insulted!
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I'm insulted!
you do not need to be..read and learn ;)
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The joke went over your head..never mind :D
I got the "joke" it just wasn't funny.
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I got the "joke" it just wasn't funny.
just didn´t understand bro.. :D
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just didn´t understand bro.. :D
I said I got it. What part of that do you not understand? 😀😃😁😆😅🤣😂
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:)
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How much money did Mike make as a personal trainer later in life? Did he have another job like stocking shelves at the grocery store?
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How much money did Mike make as a personal trainer later in life? Did he have another job like stocking shelves at the grocery store?
His other job was having young men living with him paying his bills while sucking them off.
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Mike’s A/B split
A = Amphetamines
B = Boy butter
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His other job was having young men living with him paying his bills while sucking them off.
:-[ :-X
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Mike Methhead's 4 day a week split was the only thing he got right in my opinion ( and no not his "heavy duty" way either). Doesn't really matter how you break up the body parts either. It gives the body time to rest and grow. This was NOT his own idea. We have been doing this for decades before MM ever came along. What the magazines and MM forget to tell you is those long hours and more days of training was PRE CONTEST. They over trained and took steroids. Steroids work best when you are over trained. FACT. Bodybuilders used those workouts to burn fat and keep as much muscle as possible. FACT. Unlike today they do hours and hours of "cardio" to help get lean. But that actually burns muscle. The golden era guys were right about almost everything. FACT. Ignore these drugged out ass clowns of today. All bloofy fat slobs with no symmetry or proportion and they can not pose for shit. EVERY single pose they look like they are trying to pass a watermelon out of their asses.
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Mike Methhead's 4 day a week split was the only thing he got right in my opinion ( and no not his "heavy duty" way either). Doesn't really matter how you break up the body parts either. It gives the body time to rest and grow. This was NOT his own idea. We have been doing this for decades before MM ever came along. What the magazines and MM forget to tell you is those long hours and more days of training was PRE CONTEST. They over trained and took steroids. Steroids work best when you are over trained. FACT. Bodybuilders used those workouts to burn fat and keep as much muscle as possible. FACT. Unlike today they do hours and hours of "cardio" to help get lean. But that actually burns muscle. The golden era guys were right about almost everything. FACT. Ignore these drugged out ass clowns of today. All bloofy fat slobs with no symmetry or proportion and they can not pose for shit. EVERY single pose they look like they are trying to pass a watermelon out of their asses.
For naturals the Bronze Era training programs are best.
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Let's face it, Mike was a genius and ahead of his time, no?
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Let's face it, Mike was a genius and ahead of his time, no?
No.
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No.
And you are bro? :D
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For naturals the Bronze Era training programs are best.
Don't discount the Stone Age programs.
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you know nothing.. i´m trying to educate you here but obviously you´re a dead head. ::)
Please do not waste my time
You can just admit you don’t know instead of lying
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And you are bro? :D
Compared to Mentzer, yes.
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Compared to Mentzer, yes.
calling BS Bro...
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calling BS Bro...
Well, I'm over 50, in great shape and in no physical pain. Mentzer died at 49 and was a total wreck the last decades of his life.