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Ellington Darden: The right training partner or supervisor can make a noticeable difference in overall results. Casey Viator’s training history at Nautilus provides an interesting example.
In my new HIT book, I note that Arthur Jones personally trained Casey Viator for 10 months prior to the 1971 Mr. America contest. Actually, the personal-training part was much less than that. Let me explain.
Jones was briefly introduced to Viator at the 1970 Mr. America contest in Los Angeles, where Casey placed third. Jones had driven from his home in Lake Helen, Florida, to Los Angeles and on the way back he stopped by Red Lerille’s gym in Lafayette, Louisiana, and reassembled some of his initial Nautilus machines that he had displayed in California a week earlier. Viator lived nearby so Lerille invited him over to talk with Jones and go though a workout.
And what a training session it was. “Arthur almost killed me,” Viator remembered. “I had a tremendous pump throughout my upper body. I could feel myself actually growing during and after the workout.”
Viator had never experienced a workout like Jones put him through and Jones had never exercised anyone with Viator’s genetic potential. As a result, Jones offered Viator a job with his new company, Nautilus, and assured Viator’s parents that he’d finish his senior year in high school in Florida. Besides training Viator over the next year, Jones would make sure he entered all the national bodybuilding contests. Everyone involved agreed that this was a doable arrangement.
Thus, Viator moved from Louisiana to Florida during the latter part of June 1970. His first scheduled contests under Jones’s guidance were Teenage Mr. America, during the last week of July, followed a month later by Mr. USA.
Jones began immediately training Viator on a three-times-per-week schedule, and true to his expectations, Viator started growing. From an initial body weight of 198 pounds, three weeks later Viator weighed 205 poundsand he easily won the Teenage Mr. America. In New Orleans, a month later at the Mr. USA, Viator weighed 210 pounds and was more cut than he was when he was 5 pounds lighter. Again, he was judged an easy winner.
When Arnold Schwarzenegger and Franco Columbu visited the Nautilus headquarters in mid-November 1970, Viator weighed 215 pounds and impressed both of the professional champions. Jones predicted that Casey would be more massive, with even more definition, by the 1971 Mr. America contest, which was 6 months away.
In early 1971, because of business and travel commitments, Jones stopped personally training Viator. Viator trained himself and slowly lost muscle and gained fat. In mid-February 1971, Jones noted that Casey was down to 205 pounds and was smoother than he’s been since he moved to Florida. At about the same time, he hired Kim Wood to take charge of the Quonset Hut workout room at DeLand High School, where all the training occurred. Wood supervised Viator for six weeks and reported back to Jones that he had trouble getting Viator to give him his best effort.
Finally, it was the middle of April, a month before the Jr. Mr. America, and Jones realized that if he doesn’t return to training Casey, Casey might get beat at the national event. So, Jones refocused on his personal training, cracked the whip as only he could, and Casey responded. In two weeks, Casey’s body weight was up to 210 pounds. At the contest, he weighed 215 and blew away the competition.
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Wow, what an amazing true life account.
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That was enthralling
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All bs.
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I had one of Dardens books. I think it was called New High Intensity Training. It was pretty poorly written. I was expecting Dr. Darden to produce factual data, peer reviewed studies, something along those lines. But it was a lot of fantasy. Almost hero -like worship of Jones. A rather naive account of the Colorado experiment, an offering of every excuse in the book as to why the results of the colorado experiment couldn't be replicated.
Even some absurd analogy regarding a gorilla Jones owned and comparing the activity level and diet of the gorilla to HIT trained athletes as proof of HITs effectiveness.
Plus the cheap shots against Arnold. He actually asserted that Arnold didn't know how to say his own name until Art Jones told him how to pronounce it. All in all it was a blatantly biased and poorly written book. A waste of money
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Darden has a new book on longevity training in which he prescribed two fifteen-minute training sessions per week.
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Darden has a new book on longevity training in which he prescribed two fifteen-minute training sessions per week.
I will hold out for the book coming in ten years describing the ten minute once a week longevity book.
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The older you get the less you should workout.
Once you die you shouldn't workout at all.
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Darden has a new book on longevity training in which he prescribed two fifteen-minute training sessions per week.
More marketing to the lazy.
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Wow, what an amazing true life account.
How did your other accounts "Gym Rat", Body-buildah", and "Kwon" feel about it?
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The older you get the less you should workout.
Once you die you shouldn't workout at all.
You don't work out at all.
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You don't work out at all.
your thoughts ???
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How did your other accounts "Gym Rat", Body-buildah", and "Kwon" feel about it?
Quite a bit different than your other accounts Royalty, pompeii, dipshit and dumbass feel about it.
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Quite a bit different than your other accounts Royalty, pompeii, dipshit and dumbass feel about it.
Wow you're fooling everyone by using the "beakdoctor" account.
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I will hold out for the book coming in ten years describing the ten minute once a week longevity book.
You walk into a video store and you see "10 minute longevity" and there's "9 minute longevity" sitting right next to it, which one would you go for?
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your thoughts ???
Skinny McGuff dude has been training with hit for years but has made no gains at all. Same with Lyle Mcdonald. Hit is a gimmick sold to the lazy. Nothing more.
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Skinny McGuff dude has been training with hit for years but has made no gains at all. Same with Lyle Mcdonald. Hit is a gimmick sold to the lazy. Nothing more.
honestly have to agree with you there
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Skinny McGuff dude has been training with hit for years but has made no gains at all. Same with Lyle Mcdonald. Hit is a gimmick sold to the lazy. Nothing more.
This thread is about Doctor Ellington Darden and Casey Viator. Introducing an unrelated individual into the conversation is illogical.
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Skinny McGuff dude has been training with hit for years but has made no gains at all. Same with Lyle Mcdonald. Hit is a gimmick sold to the lazy. Nothing more.
Lyle McDonald
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How did your other accounts "Gym Rat", Body-buildah", and "Kwon" feel about it?
Don't forget about my other gimmicks Wes, MattC, TheScott, Taffin, robc, tatoo, and Ron.
There are others too. Many others.
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Lyle McDonald
Good Lord, and he claims to be a training guru.
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Don't forget about my other gimmicks Wes, MattC, TheScott, Taffin, robc, tatoo, and Ron.
There are others too. Many others.
That tactic is clearly not working. Your phony screen name accounts are easily identifiable.
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That tactic is clearly not working. Your phony screen name accounts are easily identifiable.
It is obvious that you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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Don't forget about my other gimmicks Wes, MattC, TheScott, Taffin, robc, tatoo, and Ron.
There are others too. Many others.
There's only 2 posters on this entire sight and the rest are gimmicks belonging to one or the other.
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Good Lord, and he claims to be a training guru.
It's why the hit cult are only good for comedic value. They are truly delusional.
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AJ was a man's man hyper-masculine 8)
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AJ was a shrivelled up, pot belly, weak, old man 8)
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There's only 2 posters on this entire sight and the rest are gimmicks belonging to one or the other.
The "beakdoctor" phony screen account is operated by the same invalid operating "IroNat", "kwon", "Gym Rat", "Body-buildah", etc.
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The "beakdoctor" phony screen account is operated by the same invalid operating "IroNat", "kwon", "Gym Rat", "Body-buildah", etc.
The paranoia is strong with this one.
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There is only one poster on this board and it's me.
Weight Trained Male is also another of my gimmicks.
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There is only one poster on this board and it's me.
Weight Trained Male is also another of my gimmicks.
LOL
The Wizard of Oz.
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It is obvious that you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Dorian Yates and Dorian Gray.
Look into it. ;D
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Dorian Yates and Dorian Gray.
Look into it. ;D
;D
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There is only one poster on this board and it's me.
Weight Trained Male is also another of my gimmicks.
You're failing miserably at trying to laugh it off. I've received several private messages from Getbig members who agree with me. But Wes believes "IroNat", "Gym Rat", "Rot-Iron", "Kwon", "Body-buildah" are all different people. So that's better than nothing.
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I had one of Dardens books. I think it was called New High Intensity Training. It was pretty poorly written. I was expecting Dr. Darden to produce factual data, peer reviewed studies, something along those lines. But it was a lot of fantasy. Almost hero -like worship of Jones. A rather naive account of the Colorado experiment, an offering of every excuse in the book as to why the results of the colorado experiment couldn't be replicated.
Even some absurd analogy regarding a gorilla Jones owned and comparing the activity level and diet of the gorilla to HIT trained athletes as proof of HITs effectiveness.
Plus the cheap shots against Arnold. He actually asserted that Arnold didn't know how to say his own name until Art Jones told him how to pronounce it. All in all it was a blatantly biased and poorly written book. A waste of money
:D
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what's funny is that full body training of 20 exercises all with one set til failure leads to severe over-training almost immediatley :D :D :D
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AJ pushed the set to failure BS because that would allow more people to get through the Nautilus clubs. Remember- those were expensive pieces of gear and a club needed a high number of clients to justify the expense. Who cares if the method rally didn't work, lol. Just make everybody feel good knowing they were training "scientifically"...
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AJ pushed the set to failure BS because that would allow more people to get through the Nautilus clubs. Remember- those were expensive pieces of gear and a club needed a high number of clients to justify the expense. Who cares if the method rally didn't work, lol. Just make everybody feel good knowing they were training "scientifically"...
that kind of training circuit style is good for getting in shape not so much for building muscle
one set to failure works for me 8)
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AJ pushed the set to failure BS because that would allow more people to get through the Nautilus clubs. Remember- those were expensive pieces of gear and a club needed a high number of clients to justify the expense. Who cares if the method rally didn't work, lol. Just make everybody feel good knowing they were training "scientifically"...
^^^
Gym folklore story already been told millions of times, yet here is another skinny-fat wannabe telling the story yet again thinking he's delivering something enlightening.
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Per Mike himself, this was his most productive Heavy Duty/H.I.T. routine:
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Superset
Leg extensions 1 x 6-8
Leg presses 1 x 6-8
Squats 1 x 6-8
Leg curls 2 x 6-8
Calf raises 2 x 6-8
Toe presses 1 x 6-8
Chest
Superset
Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8
Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8
Dips 2 x 6-8
Triceps
Superset
Pushdowns 1 x 6-8
Dips 1 x 6-8
Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8
Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8
Traps
Superset
Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8
Upright rows 2 x 6-8
Shoulders
Superset
Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8
Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8
Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8
Biceps
Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8
Concentration curls 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
‘For instance, rather than train Monday and Tuesday on a split routine, working half the body on Monday and the other half on Tuesday’I would do the first half of the body on Monday, skip Tuesday to recuperate and then train on Wednesday, rest on Thursday and repeat the cycle again, starting on Friday. That was the most result-producing routine that I ever used.’
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You're failing miserably at trying to laugh it off. I've received several private messages from Getbig members who agree with me. But Wes believes "IroNat", "Gym Rat", "Rot-Iron", "Kwon", "Body-buildah" are all different people. So that's better than nothing.
Good post, my gimmick.
I really outdo myself.
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Who gives two fucks nobody here is gonna revert back to those scam workouts.
Worst fucking gimmicks in years.
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Good post, my gimmick.
I really outdo myself.
You're trying way too hard. You're exposed.
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You're trying way too hard. You're exposed.
Thank you, myself.
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that kind of training circuit style is good for getting in shape if more sets are used, not so much for building muscle
one set to failure doesn't work for me 😬
😉
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Per Mike himself, this was his most productive Heavy Duty/H.I.T. routine:
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Superset
Leg extensions 1 x 6-8
Leg presses 1 x 6-8
Squats 1 x 6-8
Leg curls 2 x 6-8
Calf raises 2 x 6-8
Toe presses 1 x 6-8
Chest
Superset
Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8
Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8
Dips 2 x 6-8
Triceps
Superset
Pushdowns 1 x 6-8
Dips 1 x 6-8
Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8
Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8
Traps
Superset
Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8
Upright rows 2 x 6-8
Shoulders
Superset
Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8
Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8
Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8
Biceps
Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8
Concentration curls 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
‘For instance, rather than train Monday and Tuesday on a split routine, working half the body on Monday and the other half on Tuesday’I would do the first half of the body on Monday, skip Tuesday to recuperate and then train on Wednesday, rest on Thursday and repeat the cycle again, starting on Friday. That was the most result-producing routine that I ever used.’
methzer couldn't even win an Olympia with that shoddy routine.
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^^^
Gym folklore story already been told millions of times, yet here is another skinny-fat wannabe telling the story yet again thinking he's delivering something enlightening.
I expect nothing less than a retarded reply from you, lol. I must have hit a nerve - goring your Arthur Jones Ox ;D
"Marketing the new machines was also a challenge owing to their higher cost and general ignorance about their use and benefits. To address these concerns, Jones developed his high intensity training system which stressed quality over high volume. "
https://www.usastrengthcoacheshf.com/member/arthur-joneshttps://www.usastrengthcoacheshf.com/member/arthur-jones (https://www.usastrengthcoacheshf.com/member/arthur-jones)
It was pure and simple a marketing ploy- and you swallow it hook, line and sinker hahaha
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https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2012/07/ (https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2012/07/)
Casey Viators own words:
Beginners should stick to Nautilus for six months, then go to free weights.
Once you get past a year or so," Viator went on, "Push harder. Spend more time in the gym. Work the big muscle areas with bench presses, deadlifts, squats, military presses.
Viator recommends doing 20-30 sets per bodypart and doing each bodypart twice a week
Do at least five sets, always going up. My concept is first you pump the muscle up, then you stretch it out
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Lyle McDonald
Someone needs to write a history on this guy. One of the weirdest people involved in the online fitness scene.
He's been around and seen as an authority for decades but doesn't even look like he lifts.
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I expect nothing less than a retarded reply from you, lol. I must have hit a nerve - goring your Arthur Jones Ox ;D
"Marketing the new machines was also a challenge owing to their higher cost and general ignorance about their use and benefits. To address these concerns, Jones developed his high intensity training system which stressed quality over high volume. "
https://www.usastrengthcoacheshf.com/member/arthur-joneshttps://www.usastrengthcoacheshf.com/member/arthur-jones (https://www.usastrengthcoacheshf.com/member/arthur-jones)
It was pure and simple a marketing ploy- and you swallow it hook, line and sinker hahaha
Hogwash.
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Hogwash.
Poppycock
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Poppycock
Balderdash
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Balderdash
Rigmarole
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Rigmarole
Codswallop
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Codswallop
Drivel
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It is funny how people will follow or listen to people who claim to be an "expert" on working out diet etc and they look like they don't train or diet themselves!! I have seen overweight people selling health club memberships and giving training and diet advice and people listen to them!! WTF !! Look at these "hit" weirdos. They look terrible but tell people that their way is the best way to train and people will follow them and never achieve their goals. Smh It is only to get money from the idiots and lazy people who want to do little or nothing to get in shape. Mention a "drug" that will increase weight loss and watch these lazy fucks get all excited. Thats is the same as hit. Very little time spent in the gym or working out period and stupid people jump on it.
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Drivel
liggernip
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It is funny how people will follow or listen to people who claim to be an "expert" on working out diet etc and they look like they don't train or diet themselves!! I have seen overweight people selling health club memberships and giving training and diet advice and people listen to them!! WTF !! Look at these "hit" weirdos. They look terrible but tell people that their way is the best way to train and people will follow them and never achieve their goals. Smh It is only to get money from the idiots and lazy people who want to do little or nothing to get in shape. Mention a "drug" that will increase weight loss and watch these lazy fucks get all excited. Thats is the same as hit. Very little time spent in the gym or working out period and stupid people jump on it.
I train HIT
Yeah guess I'm in pretty shitty shape
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I train HIT
I'm in pretty shitty shape
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I train HIT
Yeah guess I'm in pretty shitty shape
Looking good there dj, ain't gonna deny it.
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Looking good there dj, ain't gonna deny it.
Thank man I gotta keep pushing and see if I can improve upon
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liggernip
;D
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dj181. You always say you do hit etc. You look like a concentration camp victim. Try eating some food and training correctly. You seriously don't even look like you lift weights. Are you a long distance runner or something? This place is for bodybuilders. You know people who actually lift weights. I am not trying to be mean and of course the next thing people will say is for me to "post a picture of myself". And of course I won't because remember once something is on the internet it is everywhere forever. I wont even try to describe myself because you will say "bullshit" etc. But trust me I am 59 years old and looked better than you in high school. Maybe even jr high. I have owned gyms and personal training studios. I have competed and won many shows and missing out on my pro card by 1 freaking point!! 1 point! So if I were you I wouldn't brag about using "hit" because all you do is prove our point. HIT DOES NOT WORK !!
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dj181. You always say you do hit etc. You look like a concentration camp victim. Try eating some food and training correctly. You seriously don't even look like you lift weights. Are you a long distance runner or something? This place is for bodybuilders. You know people who actually lift weights. I am not trying to be mean and of course the next thing people will say is for me to "post a picture of myself". And of course I won't because remember once something is on the internet it is everywhere forever. I wont even try to describe myself because you will say "bullshit" etc. But trust me I am 59 years old and looked better than you in high school. Maybe even jr high. I have owned gyms and personal training studios. I have competed and won many shows and missing out on my pro card by 1 freaking point!! 1 point! So if I were you I wouldn't brag about using "hit" because all you do is prove our point. HIT DOES NOT WORK !!
if you do indeed look better than me then you are in the top 1% of those who train and try to look good, forget bout the whole pop im talking those WHO FUCKING TRY TO LOOK GOOD
and fuck off with the camp horsehsit
show your pic and prove you look so much better than me shit-fer-brains
IT WILL NOT HAPPEN GUARNE_FUCKING_TEED
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dj181. You always say you do hit etc. You look like a concentration camp victim. Try eating some food and training correctly. You seriously don't even look like you lift weights. Are you a long distance runner or something? This place is for bodybuilders. You know people who actually lift weights. I am not trying to be mean and of course the next thing people will say is for me to "post a picture of myself". And of course I won't because remember once something is on the internet it is everywhere forever. I wont even try to describe myself because you will say "bullshit" etc. But trust me I am 59 years old and looked better than you in high school. Maybe even jr high. I have owned gyms and personal training studios. I have competed and won many shows and missing out on my pro card by 1 freaking point!! 1 point! So if I were you I wouldn't brag about using "hit" because all you do is prove our point. HIT DOES NOT WORK !!
Post a pic of yourself with an upside down coffee cup and your cock hanging out. For DJ. ;D
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I train HIT
Yeah guess I'm in pretty shitty shape
You look great, brother! Keep going!
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https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2012/07/ (https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2012/07/)
Casey Viators own words:
Beginners should stick to Nautilus for six months, then go to free weights.
Once you get past a year or so," Viator went on, "Push harder. Spend more time in the gym. Work the big muscle areas with bench presses, deadlifts, squats, military presses.
Viator recommends doing 20-30 sets per bodypart and doing each bodypart twice a week
Do at least five sets, always going up. My concept is first you pump the muscle up, then you stretch it out
I disagree with Casey. A newbie should do free weights exclusively for at least 6 months before moving on to machines.
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You look great, brother! Keep going!
thanks man
i'm upping the cals a bit but i won't overeat coz every single time i do that i get wetter and fatter >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
i'll stay just in a slight surplus and bust ass in the gym
think i have to drop the tren as i'm just too damn angry on it, var is the only compound that i use that have zero effect on my mind/emotions so i'll be swapping the ACE for var
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I disagree with Casey. A newbie should do free weights exclusively for at least 6 months before moving on to machines.
too bad they didn't vid his leg session with AJ where he did leg press super set with leg ext ending with full squats with a 4 fucking hundred pound barbell
jesus fucking christ!!!
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too bad they didn't vid his leg session with AJ where he did leg press super set with leg ext ending with full squats with a 4 fucking hundred pound barbell
jesus fucking christ!!!
He was a beast. I noticed that all of the bodybuilders trotted out by Jones were guys with huge skeletal structures and mesomorphic physiques. No Frank Zane or Flex Wheeler types.
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He was a beast. I noticed that all of the bodybuilders trotted out by Jones were guys with huge skeletal structures and mesomorphic physiques. No Frank Zane or Flex Wheeler types.
AJ confronted Zane and basically said to his face your arms are maybe 16 inches and pulled out his tape measure with a steel ruler and Zane refused to get his arm taped
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You walk into a video store and you see "10 minute longevity" and there's "9 minute longevity" sitting right next to it, which one would you go for?
I already got the VHS for four minutes abs so the answer is obvious.
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I already got the VHS for four minutes abs so the answer is obvious.
Ot, you have been pretty funny lately.
:D
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dj181. You always say you do hit etc. You look like a concentration camp victim. Try eating some food and training correctly. You seriously don't even look like you lift weights. Are you a long distance runner or something? This place is for bodybuilders. You know people who actually lift weights. I am not trying to be mean and of course the next thing people will say is for me to "post a picture of myself". And of course I won't because remember once something is on the internet it is everywhere forever. I wont even try to describe myself because you will say "bullshit" etc. But trust me I am 59 years old and looked better than you in high school. Maybe even jr high. I have owned gyms and personal training studios. I have competed and won many shows and missing out on my pro card by 1 freaking point!! 1 point! So if I were you I wouldn't brag about using "hit" because all you do is prove our point. HIT DOES NOT WORK !!
He’s actually pretty big.
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He’s actually pretty big.
Above the waist maybe
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Ot, you have been pretty funny lately.
:D
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
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You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Take it easy, Tommy...take it easy.
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You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
you know??!!,, funny!