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Labrum tear, I think I have it.. Anyone with experience how to deal with it?
I can train but shoulder feels abit unstable and it pops in alot of movement vectors.
Thing is I'm improving my bench and I don't want to take a step back now and it doesn't hurt benching. I can still bench heavy. Only hurts overhead pressing.
I should probably rest fully from any upper body I'm guessing and only do rehab?
Got it from punching a heavy bag not any lifting.
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Krank knows All this stuff. Wait for him to chime in.
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I was having shoulder issues about 6 years ago and was in PT. Wasn’t really getting any better and they did an MRI and it showed a partial labrum and rotator cuff tear. They gave surgery as an option, but also told me that the labrum could heal on its own possibly. Anyway, I got sick and was down for like 5-6 months and when I got back into the gym it had healed. It had not bothered me since. I don’t go crazy on weights but I don’t have any of the pain opening doors etc because of the injury. It healed on its own.
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I was having shoulder issues about 6 years ago and was in PT. Wasn’t really getting any better and they did an MRI and it showed a partial labrum and rotator cuff tear. They gave surgery as an option, but also told me that the labrum could heal on its own possibly. Anyway, I got sick and was down for like 5-6 months and when I got back into the gym it had healed. It had not bothered me since. I don’t go crazy on weights but I don’t have any of the pain opening doors etc because of the injury. It healed on its own.
I don't think mine is rotator injury but possibly. I have checked alot of the tests and don't have pain from the supraspinatus or any other rotator. But yes should probably get an MRI to know for sure.
resting from upper body for 5-6 months would suck pretty bad. Especially when improving lately and having some joy back for the gym.
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Injured BOTH my shoulders earlier this year.
Took around 7 months to recuperate
Takes so much longer time these days due to being 50+
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I don't think mine is rotator injury but possibly. I have checked alot of the tests and don't have pain from the supraspinatus or any other rotator. But yes should probably get an MRI to know for sure.
resting from upper body for 5-6 months would suck pretty bad. Especially when improving lately and having some joy back for the gym.
Yeah they told me the pain was probably the labrum and not the rotator cuff because of what motions bothered me. Turned out they were right so I’m glad the surgery never took place.
I was forced out of the gym with a spinal infection so I had no choice but to stop. Sucks being a twink though in your down time!
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A friend had a labrum tear. It was painful a bit in certain movements, absolutely nothing in others. After about 5 months, all pain went away. Until a year ago when it returned.
He opted not to have the surgery. That was 8 years ago. Today he needs a completely full shoulder replacement due to the arthritis that built up in and the around the joint because of not having the tear fixed. Something to consider. Putting off something simple today could result in a bigger consequence on down the road. He wishes he had gotten it fixed back then.
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A friend had a labrum tear. It was painful a bit in certain movements, absolutely nothing in others. After about 5 months, all pain went away. Until a year ago when it returned.
He opted not to have the surgery. That was 8 years ago. Today he needs a completely full shoulder replacement due to the arthritis that built up in and the around the joint because of not having the tear fixed. Something to consider. Putting off something simple today could result in a bigger consequence on down the road. He wishes he had gotten it fixed back then.
Yes that is a good point. And I feel that instability in the joint now with the popping it does in centrain movements. That means it pops out of socket(even if slightly) and isn't fixed in as it should. Which mean it will like you say wear badly in the cartilage in the socket. Definately don't want that.
If the popping doesn't stop I might need surgery/repair of the labrum down the line. Hope not..
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Better a labrum tear than a labia tear....
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Time heals all wounds.
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Yeah they told me the pain was probably the labrum and not the rotator cuff because of what motions bothered me. Turned out they were right so I’m glad the surgery never took place.
I was forced out of the gym with a spinal infection so I had no choice but to stop. Sucks being a twink though in your down time!
Do they have any idea how a Spinal infection happens?
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Time heals all wounds.
Especially Chrohn’s.
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Time heals all wounds.
True but unlike the rest of you apparently, I have had a labrum repair time was not enough for me. I still have issues though and need another shoulder surgery. Its not stable it does move side laterals hurt and I have a smaller side and front delt so just assume you are fucked.
But that may have been right shoulder I had labrum could be both hard to say 2 surgeries on the left shoulder and one on the right. Right shoulder is ok left is not good
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True but unlike the rest of you apparently, I have had a labrum repair time was not enough for me. I still have issues though and need another shoulder surgery. Its not stable it does move side laterals hurt and I have a smaller side and front delt so just assume you are fucked.
But that may have been right shoulder I had labrum could be both hard to say 2 surgeries on the left shoulder and one on the right. Right shoulder is ok left is not good
You just need more time, Bhanky.
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Think I have it.. Anyone with experience how to deal with it?
I can train but shoulder feels abit unstable and it pops in alot of movement vectors.
Thing is I'm improving my bench and I don't want to take a step back now and it doesn't hurt benching. I can still bench heavy. Only hurts overhead pressing.
I should probably rest fully from any upper body I'm guessing and only do rehab?
Got it from punching a heavy bag not any lifting.
I'd avoid surgery if possible.
Stop doing exercises that bother you.
Do exercises that strengthen the shoulder region.
Heavy benching is probably not a good idea either until you heal.
You need to balance out your shoulders with a variety of movements.
Try using bands for awhile. Pump blood into the area.
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A lot of lifters I know who are in their 40's and 50's rave about TB 500 and BPC 157, peptides for recuperation.
I do not have any experience with peptides but they're supposedly miracle workers. I don't know what type of injuries they help heal. Minor soreness and nagging pain or will they help with more severe injuries too?
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i also had a torn labrum and only had it operated on after a year. in the meantime, the cartilage had worn away so much due to the instability that the operation did not really bring any improvement. two years later, doc ritsch (in germany) implanted a joint prosthesis. now i can train again without any restrictions. my recommendation would be to have it treated immediately.
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Time heals all wounds.
Even a labia tear?
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i also had a torn labrum and only had it operated on after a year. in the meantime, the cartilage had worn away so much due to the instability that the operation did not really bring any improvement. two years later, doc ritsch (in germany) implanted a joint prosthesis. now i can train again without any restrictions. my recommendation would be to have it treated immediately.
Cartilage worn out in just a year? So I guess you just pushed through pain and trained with the unstable shoulder joint?
Anyways Im going to give it 4-6 weeks rest now to see if it improves. Will do som light band work for blood flow to the joint.
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A lot of lifters I know who are in their 40's and 50's rave about TB 500 and BPC 157, peptides for recuperation.
I do not have any experience with peptides but they're supposedly miracle workers. I don't know what type of injuries they help heal. Minor soreness and nagging pain or will they help with more severe injuries too?
I have heard about that will check it.
Even better would probably be stem cells injected directly in to the labrum. But not sure if I can get it where I live. Also the cost is an issue with stem cells
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Even a labia tear?
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A lot of lifters I know who are in their 40's and 50's rave about TB 500 and BPC 157, peptides for recuperation.
I do not have any experience with peptides but they're supposedly miracle workers. I don't know what type of injuries they help heal. Minor soreness and nagging pain or will they help with more severe injuries too?
From my experience (that comes from knowing past owners of the largest peptide biz around and from people who actually used them a lot), TB500 and BPC 157 are good for minor inflammations and irritations. Anything dealing with a tear or rupture, they are not going to do very much in terms of healing/knitting/recup/ or pain management.
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From my experience (that comes from knowing past owners of the largest peptide biz around and from people who actually used them a lot), TB500 and BPC 157 are good for minor inflammations and irritations. Anything dealing with a tear or rupture, they are not going to do very much in terms of healing/knitting/recup/ or pain management.
Yes, there is no inflammation involved. Since I tore it a week ago. Only did one bench workout, which felt fine(no popping anyways in that movement). Tried OHP but did not feel good so stopped that.
Stem cells would probably be my go to for this rehab process. But I heard that the stem cells you want that work the best by far is the navelcord/placenta stemcells. The ones from your own old body are not as effective. But I can not find that treatment in my country(maybe laws against)
And even the ones from your own body that treatment is minimum 5000usd. I'd imagine the stem cells from placenta is 5x that probably. Rich man option....
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Do they have any idea how a Spinal infection happens?
Yeah, oddly enough it was caused by a doctor. I’ve got lower back/disc issues and do non narcotic pain management and don’t want to do surgery so I’ve done ESI, nerve ablations and a sugar water injection to inflame the area to send white blood cells. Anyway, one of the injections I did was a stem cell/allograph injection into the affected discs. Evidently the quack didn’t clean my back well enough and pushed staph into my spine when he did the injection, and also overfilled it causing me to get meningitis for which I spent 12 days in the hospital. Got out and was literally wasting away, lost 38 pounds in 8-10 weeks and they finally realized it had turned into a staph infection. I had a PICC line put in and had to infuse myself with antibiotics multiple times a day for 10 weeks. Crazy shit but hey, at least it got me the much needed rest to heal my labrum tear, amm I right? ;D
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Yeah, oddly enough it was caused by a doctor. I’ve got lower back/disc issues and do non narcotic pain management and don’t want to do surgery so I’ve done ESI, nerve ablations and a sugar water injection to inflame the area to send white blood cells. Anyway, one of the injections I did was a stem cell/allograph injection into the affected discs. Evidently the quack didn’t clean my back well enough and pushed staph into my spine when he did the injection, and also overfilled it causing me to get meningitis for which I spent 12 days in the hospital. Got out and was literally wasting away, lost 38 pounds in 8-10 weeks and they finally realized it had turned into a staph infection. I had a PICC line put in and had to infuse myself with antibiotics multiple times a day for 10 weeks. Crazy shit but hey, at least it got me the much needed rest to heal my labrum tear, amm I right? ;D
I have 2 bulging disca L4,L5 and have had back spasams for years , turns out its fuck all to do with the discs, its tight fascia in the glutes hams and quads that causes back spasms
Since having fascial massage with blades my low backs been fine
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Yes, there is no inflammation involved. Since I tore it a week ago. Only did one bench workout, which felt fine(no popping anyways in that movement). Tried OHP but did not feel good so stopped that.
Stem cells would probably be my go to for this rehab process. But I heard that the stem cells you want that work the best by far is the navelcord/placenta stemcells. The ones from your own old body are not as effective. But I can not find that treatment in my country(maybe laws against)
And even the ones from your own body that treatment is minimum 5000usd. I'd imagine the stem cells from placenta is 5x that probably. Rich man option....
I don't have much experience or knowledge of how stem cells is being used today. I know that in the past it was very iffy, expensive and most were disappointed. I know of a kid that was suffering from hearing loss due to premature thinning of the stereocilia in the ear. (the hair that picks up vibrations and converts to sound). He parents were paid over $40K out of their own pocket (insurance would not cover it) in 10 months to regrow the hair. There was about a 20% increase the first 4 months and then nothing. Once they stopped treatment, it all died within 8 weeks.
If you are considering going that route, I would spend hours online reading every review of the process and treatment that is available.
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I don't have much experience or knowledge of how stem cells is being used today. I know that in the past it was very iffy, expensive and most were disappointed. I know of a kid that was suffering from hearing loss due to premature thinning of the stereocilia in the ear. (the hair that picks up vibrations and converts to sound). He parents were paid over $40K out of their own pocket (insurance would not cover it) in 10 months to regrow the hair. There was about a 20% increase the first 4 months and then nothing. Once they stopped treatment, it all died within 8 weeks.
If you are considering going that route, I would spend hours online reading every review of the process and treatment that is available.
Bhanky could try that to grow hair on his head.
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I don't have much experience or knowledge of how stem cells is being used today. I know that in the past it was very iffy, expensive and most were disappointed. I know of a kid that was suffering from hearing loss due to premature thinning of the stereocilia in the ear. (the hair that picks up vibrations and converts to sound). He parents were paid over $40K out of their own pocket (insurance would not cover it) in 10 months to regrow the hair. There was about a 20% increase the first 4 months and then nothing. Once they stopped treatment, it all died within 8 weeks.
If you are considering going that route, I would spend hours online reading every review of the process and treatment that is available.
When my first child was born we were bombarded with sales pitches and contracts for her stem cells and the cost of keeping them, storage, maintenance. It was all over the news and the topic of many conversations. Eventually we went with a bank and they collected her stem cells.
I can't remember what the monthly cost was but after a few years the conversations around stem cells died down. All the medical miracles that were promised -one was a potential cure for paralysis- never came to fruition. I eventually stopped paying the service.
By the time my second child was born I couldn't even find information on half of the companies that initially approached us.
I have no idea what happened to them all. One of the main selling points was in order for stem therapy to work they had to be the stem cells OF THE PERSON receiving the treatment.
IIRC, at the time there was a 'moral' debate around the ethics of stem cell therapy and the president at the time, George Dubya Bush, opposed stem cell research.
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It could be caused by muscle spasms in the upper back, traps and especially shoulder-blade area.
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Probably you need an MRI to find out if you have a labrum tear.
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Probably you need an MRI to find out if you have a labrum tear.
I think the ortho can figure it out from symptoms.
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Who knew men had labrums?
An inattentive motorist hit me from behind when cycling, and a torn labrum was one of my injuries. It was a mild tear that healed on its own. I just avoided activities and exercises that irritated it.
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How's Maxx's labia progressing?
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Cartilage worn out in just a year? So I guess you just pushed through pain and trained with the unstable shoulder joint?
Anyways Im going to give it 4-6 weeks rest now to see if it improves. Will do som light band work for blood flow to the joint.
yes i was so stupid and continued to train with pain. on the one hand i thought it was just something harmless and on the other hand i didn't go to the doctor because it was during the pandemic and the assholes said you should only go to the doctor if it's life-threatening. I learned my lesson the hard way.
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They "all" go to Mexico and I think Colombia for treatment. Ronnie iirc etc.
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yes i was so stupid and continued to train with pain. on the one hand i thought it was just something harmless and on the other hand i didn't go to the doctor because it was during the pandemic and the assholes said you should only go to the doctor if it's life-threatening. I learned my lesson the hard way.
What were the symptoms?
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What were the symptoms?
I interpreted it as muscular pain in the rotator cuff. No overheating or swelling. The pain got worse and worse over time until I could no longer lie down. The MRI revealed a cyst that was pressing on nerves, the damaged labrum and grade 4 osteoarthritis. In comparison, the other shoulder showed no signs of osteoarthritis.
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The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear. When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding. The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than you may think. People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off". But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too. Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it. When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.
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The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear. When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding. The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than you may think. People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off". But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too. Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it. When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.
^This! It feels like a dull ache that never goes away after any kind of shoulder exertion. Easy to mistake it for just microtrauma after lifting heavy.
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The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear. When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding. The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than you may think. People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off". But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too. Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it. When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.
Yes I'm doing blood flow exercises 2 or 3 times a day. Anything that doesn't hurt or makes it pop. Neither internal or external rotation hurts or pops so I do that for blood flow. Along with pressing motion in a direction that doesn't hurt. All resistance bands and just quick light reps for bloodflow.
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yes i was so stupid and continued to train with pain. on the one hand i thought it was just something harmless and on the other hand i didn't go to the doctor because it was during the pandemic and the assholes said you should only go to the doctor if it's life-threatening. I learned my lesson the hard way.
Long time lifters are used to lifting with pain often times the mind become stronger than the flesh so to speak and you just learn to override the pain. Which can be good but in the long run probably bad. Look a Ronnie Coleman, perfect example of that. Just pushing through any pain no matter how bad.
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They "all" go to Mexico and I think Colombia for treatment. Ronnie iirc etc.
Figures...
Though Ronnie could probably live with 24/7 stemcell IV and nothing would change his body is wrecked beyond
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Best of luck Maxx. ;)
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The thing about a labrum tear is that most people don't know it is a tear. When many people think of a tear, they are thinking of like the pec or bicep where there is discoloration from internal bleeding. The labrum has a very poor blood supply (which is another reason I feel like peptides and GH are not ideal for treating this area) and if you tear it, there is more likely no chance of seeing a bruise or anything to indicate the injury is more severe than you may think. People think "oh I just went too hard and over did it" or "I'll take a couple weeks off". But taking extended time off to recover is a bad thing too. Because the inactivity is what helps/causes the arthritis to set it. When you are active, at least the joint and area is remaining flexible and has blood circulating much more frequently than when inactive.
Great post
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Think I have it.. Anyone with experience how to deal with it?
I can train but shoulder feels abit unstable and it pops in alot of movement vectors.
Thing is I'm improving my bench and I don't want to take a step back now and it doesn't hurt benching. I can still bench heavy. Only hurts overhead pressing.
I should probably rest fully from any upper body I'm guessing and only do rehab?
Got it from punching a heavy bag not any lifting.
How is the shoulder feeling?
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True but unlike the rest of you apparently, I have had a labrum repair time was not enough for me. I still have issues though and need another shoulder surgery. Its not stable it does move side laterals hurt and I have a smaller side and front delt so just assume you are fucked.
But that may have been right shoulder I had labrum could be both hard to say 2 surgeries on the left shoulder and one on the right. Right shoulder is ok left is not good
Because you side laterals and your shitty pressing will keep your shoulder strong
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Cartilage worn out in just a year? So I guess you just pushed through pain and trained with the unstable shoulder joint?
Anyways Im going to give it 4-6 weeks rest now to see if it improves. Will do som light band work for blood flow to the joint.
Doing some stability work is important in the healing of the labrum. It was thought that there was minimal blood supply to the labrum, like ligaments, but this is not true. The labrum does have a rich supply so exercise can help provided it is correct for labrum
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Yes, there is no inflammation involved. Since I tore it a week ago. Only did one bench workout, which felt fine(no popping anyways in that movement). Tried OHP but did not feel good so stopped that.
Stem cells would probably be my go to for this rehab process. But I heard that the stem cells you want that work the best by far is the navelcord/placenta stemcells. The ones from your own old body are not as effective. But I can not find that treatment in my country(maybe laws against)
And even the ones from your own body that treatment is minimum 5000usd. I'd imagine the stem cells from placenta is 5x that probably. Rich man option....
PRP would be better. Most places tell you to go back to normal activity within 3 - 5 days. Worst thing. You literally should stop upper body training for 4 weeks to get maximum benefit of the stem cell increase from PRP. Its painful to have done. After four weeks, start back at 50% intensity and volume.
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I have 2 bulging disca L4,L5 and have had back spasams for years , turns out its fuck all to do with the discs, its tight fascia in the glutes hams and quads that causes back spasms
Since having fascial massage with blades my low backs been fine
Maybe in your case, but the problem with disc herniations (bulge, protrusion, extrusion, sequestration) is that cytokines are released from the disc injury with can not only irritate but inflame surround structures. This includes the branches from nerve roots that supply the paraspinal muscles (notably QL, multifidi, and iliocostalis lumborum). This is why a lot of people feel their 'pain' off the spine.
People with non-specific low back pain (which is often lumped in with 'mechanical low back pain') have been receiving relief from facia work. Overall...we still so very little about pain in general. People who have been in pain for years can remain in pain despite structures being 'healed'. Thats the brain being too stupid to shut the signals off
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Always better to check with the experts of GB then a doctor...
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How is the shoulder feeling?
Resting fully now. Had another pretty devastating injury that puts me out fully. This is nothing in comparison. So training in general is pretty much over,, for probably a year now. Only light rehab stuff coming months.
Before that injury I think it was progressing abit. I did light bench still with elbows tucked to my body, more like a tricep press almost. Then it did not hurt other than liftoff.
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Resting fully now. Had another pretty devastating injury that puts me out fully. This is nothing in comparison. So training in general is pretty much over,, for probably a year now. Only light rehab stuff coming months.
Before that injury I think it was progressing abit. I did light bench still with elbows tucked to my body, more like a tricep press almost. Then it did not hurt other than liftoff.
Sorry to hear. Did you have any MRI or anything? For the labrum, not the more recent injury.
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Not for the labrum. Just did my own rehab. I didn't want surgery anyways wanted to try rehab it.
Now i tore my quad tendon of the bone.. Down and out. Pretty much the most depressing thing in my life.
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Not for the labrum. Just did my own rehab. I didn't want surgery anyways wanted to try rehab it.
Now i tore my quad tendon of the bone.. Down and out. Pretty much the most depressing thing in my life.
Holy fuck. How did that happen?
Man, it sounds corny, but stay positive. This could be the chance you need to pursue other things that you are interested in and have been putting off.
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Holy fuck. How did that happen?
Man, it sounds corny, but stay positive. This could be the chance you need to pursue other things that you are interested in and have been putting off.
Just being stupid and stubborn training through tendonitis I think was main cause
Had a miss step and like 1 meter fall bracing with one foot/leg. Quad contracted hard/sudden and load was heavy. that +tendon weakened from tendonitis= tendon snapped
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Just being stupid and stubborn training through tendonitis I think was main cause
Had a miss step and like 1 meter fall bracing with one foot/leg. Quad contracted hard/sudden and load was heavy. that +tendon weakened from tendonitis= tendon snapped
Most likely tendinosis....thats a chronic tendonitis which will cause the tendon to be more susceptible to tearing.
Rupture down by knee? I feel for ya regardless...9 days out from bicep rupture repair (along with some repair of rotator)
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Most likely tendinosis....thats a chronic tendonitis which will cause the tendon to be more susceptible to tearing.
Rupture down by knee? I feel for ya regardless...9 days out from bicep rupture repair (along with some repair of rotator)
Yes, torn at the kneecap. Tendon is anchored back with wires drilled through the kneecap. I have a looong road ahead of me. Lesson learned re tendonitis. Really costly lesson :'(
btw. can you ever get rid of chronic tendonitis? I have it at my other knee at the same location aswell...
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Yes, torn at the kneecap. Tendon is anchored back with wires drilled through the kneecap. I have a looong road ahead of me. Lesson learned re tendonitis. Really costly lesson :'(
btw. can you ever get rid of chronic tendonitis? I have it at my other knee at the same location aswell...
Yes, one of the best things is actually eccentrics...long eccentrics with low load. Also the "scraping" can help. Maybe collagen peptides. It will take a few months. One issue is that once people start to do things to heal they feel better and go back to the loading that caused it in the first place rather than finish out the process.
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Always better to check with the experts of GB then a doctor...
I fill both check marks
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Yes, one of the best things is actually eccentrics...long eccentrics with low load. Also the "scraping" can help. Maybe collagen peptides. It will take a few months. One issue is that once people start to do things to heal they feel better and go back to the loading that caused it in the first place rather than finish out the process.
Okay, thanks for the advices. I will have to adress that at my left knee when doing rehab on right. Yeah I have never really taken long time away from training. Tops 1 month. So probably never had a chance to heal. Plus my rehab for it wasn't really rehab, just lighter weights in what I already did that caused it.
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Speedy recovery man.
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Always better to check with the experts of GB then a doctor...
I'm not a doctor but I play one on Getbig and I resent your assertion.
My advices to Maxx is to take two aspirin and post in this thread in the morning.
(Seriously, get well.)
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Okay, thanks for the advices. I will have to adress that at my left knee when doing rehab on right. Yeah I have never really taken long time away from training. Tops 1 month. So probably never had a chance to heal. Plus my rehab for it wasn't really rehab, just lighter weights in what I already did that caused it.
Now is your best time to get the left knee fixed as well. As your PT to assess the mechanics of that left hip. Just say you are worried that the same thing will happen to that knee as your right one.
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Most likely tendinosis....thats a chronic tendonitis which will cause the tendon to be more susceptible to tearing.
Rupture down by knee? I feel for ya regardless...9 days out from bicep rupture repair (along with some repair of rotator)
You are having surgery soon as well?
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I know it must feel demoralizing. But since I bet you will spend a lot of time rehabbing the quad etc in the gym you could train many other bodyparts as well more conventionally. I've been given the advice just now not to lift at all for a period of time, not by doctors, have to consult them on monday, and I feel very depressed, it's often been my lifeline so to speak. "Just take long walks" they say, as if that's a replacement ::)
My bicep repair was a breeze, but of course that's not the case for others. My guess is that most don't rehab as much as is recommended, I certainly didn't with the bicep.
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You are having surgery soon as well?
9 days post bicep tenodesis, labrum repair/clean up, and some other clean up of shoulder.
Most injure bicep with rotator cuff injury. I didn't in 2017....so maybe I was on borrowed time.
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I know it must feel demoralizing. But since I bet you will spend a lot of time rehabbing the quad etc in the gym you could train many other bodyparts as well more conventionally. I've been given the advice just now not to lift at all for a period of time, not by doctors, have to consult them on monday, and I feel very depressed, it's often been my lifeline so to speak. "Just take long walks" they say, as if that's a replacement ::)
My bicep repair was a breeze, but of course that's not the case for others. My guess is that most don't rehab as much as is recommended, I certainly didn't with the bicep.
I have my own gym in my basement so I will be doing most rehab here first weeks since I can't drive a car first 6-8 weeks anyways. Luckily I have all equipment I need for rehab work.
But yes last weeks my mood has just been down too much to think of anything. Just ordering home crappy food ate alot and getting fat just sitting by the TV/PC. I did order home a bunch of supplements that will help tendon healing like MSM/glukasomine all the various vitamins etc. Thinking some of it might help the healing process of the tendon. As far as PED's I was thinking about getting deca and running it for just 2 months during the initial healing, I will still continue trt as it helps healing and nutrition partitioning/anabolic activity for healing aswell. I did try benching with the leg fixated straight and it's really akward with flat back but it works. So I will continue upper body,, somewhat. But then again I should really just rest that too with the crappy labrum..
But mood is up somewhat anyways because I have been able to flex the quad and there is no visable change in the appearance of the surrounding muscles(which I feared) other than athrophy(crazy how fast it does). The teardrop muscle is there and the lateral part is not torn either. I was scared of that because alot of times people tear those the same time.
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I have my own gym in my basement so I will be doing most rehab here first weeks since I can't drive a car first 6-8 weeks anyways. Luckily I have all equipment I need for rehab work.
But yes last weeks my mood has just been down too much to think of anything. Just ordering home crappy food ate alot and getting fat just sitting by the TV/PC. I did order home a bunch of supplements that will help tendon healing like MSM/glukasomine all the various vitamins etc. Thinking some of it might help the healing process of the tendon. As far as PED's I was thinking about getting deca and running it for just 2 months during the initial healing, I will still continue trt as it helps healing and nutrition partitioning/anabolic activity for healing aswell. I did try benching with the leg fixated straight and it's really akward with flat back but it works. So I will continue upper body,, somewhat. But then again I should really just rest that too with the crappy labrum..
But mood is up somewhat anyways because I have been able to flex the quad and there is no visable change in the appearance of the surrounding muscles(which I feared) other than athrophy(crazy how fast it does). The teardrop muscle is there and the lateral part is not torn either. I was scared of that because alot of times people tear those the same time.
Tried TB-500?
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Tried TB-500?
nope, maybe I should, just throw everything I can at it. Probably hgh would help too ;D
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nope, maybe I should, just throw everything I can at it. Probably hgh would help too ;D
I'm a rookie, but if you were going the supps route, would definitely do the BPC / TB 500 combo.
If you are going the enhanced route, would GH be helpful?
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I'm a rookie, but if you were going the supps route, would definitely do the BPC / TB 500 combo.
If you are going the enhanced route, would GH be helpful?
nope, maybe I should, just throw everything I can at it. Probably hgh would help too ;D
I think GH would help, even if the effect is minor if you think about what it does it shouldn'xt hurt any healing processes. Just a little, something that at least doubles your natural GH like 2iu. I think the TB/BPC have been trialed by the public enough to say it's not just a placebo effect. When RFK Jr talked about "peptides" what else could he have referred to? Sure there are many more but those are the main ones talked about, not that he's a doctor or anything.But even if they work amazing they aren't miracles, like my buddy expected them to fix half a dozen tears in his shoulder, no, only surgery will work. Regarding the roids I think an HRT level, not levels in the stratosphere, would be appropriate. An addition of Deca could be just 50mg a week and give hoint effects. Maybe a little Anavar could help increase "good" collagen formation. I'm not a doctor but I would probably not take anything a few weeks before or after surgery. I think bhank claimed he did it that way, might have been at the docs advice, I don't know. Once a girl did a neck surgery and asked me about GH and I said it might be risky, the water retention might compress things in there and cause problems, and what do you know, that's what the docs told her. This girl was a stripper and had previously gotten a year long cycle of 2iu of Norditropin from her gynecologist!! I don't know if she had to suck dick in exchange but it's amazing what sexiness can get you. But I digress.
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I think GH would help, even if the effect is minor if you think about what it does it shouldn'xt hurt any healing processes. Just a little, something that at least doubles your natural GH like 2iu. I think the TB/BPC have been trialed by the public enough to say it's not just a placebo effect. When RFK Jr talked about "peptides" what else could he have referred to? Sure there are many more but those are the main ones talked about, not that he's a doctor or anything.But even if they work amazing they aren't miracles, like my buddy expected them to fix half a dozen tears in his shoulder, no, only surgery will work. Regarding the roids I think an HRT level, not levels in the stratosphere, would be appropriate. An addition of Deca could be just 50mg a week and give hoint effects. Maybe a little Anavar could help increase "good" collagen formation. I'm not a doctor but I would probably not take anything a few weeks before or after surgery. I think bhank claimed he did it that way, might have been at the docs advice, I don't know. Once a girl did a neck surgery and asked me about GH and I said it might be risky, the water retention might compress things in there and cause problems, and what do you know, that's what the docs told her. This girl was a stripper and had previously gotten a year long cycle of 2iu of Norditropin from her gynecologist!! I don't know if she had to suck dick in exchange but it's amazing what sexiness can get you. But I digress.
He droned on and on about the tendon aspect of things which there's no correlation. The reason most surgeons recommend coming off due to the polycthemia that can occur with taking test which could increase risk of blood clots. Lets be real, most get biggers laugh at anyone under 2000mg test per week.
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He droned on and on about the tendon aspect of things which there's no correlation. The reason most surgeons recommend coming off due to the polycthemia that can occur with taking test which could increase risk of blood clots. Lets be real, most get biggers laugh at anyone under 2000mg test per week.
There was this bodybuilding gyno surgeon who later suicided who claimed MANY bodybuilders had to come off for 6 months before he would operate on them, their bloodwork was that bad. I doubt that but he said it. My RBCs are always within range regardless of what I take and I have low iron levels (don't know why, PED related perhaps, no idea).
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well I didn't even think about the blood clots I don't know why.. so stupid of me.. because I know it increases red blood cell count..I was only thinking about blood pressure but I tested before and it was "only" 124/something normal. I was on trt before and after surgery.. around 250-300mg.
Well that's more of a mini cycle I guess.. but anyways so far so good
@Van_Bilderass if anavar works better for collagen type of tissue than deca maybe I should use that instead. Less sides are better for me for sure... HGH yes lower dosage, if I can even find it. Current supplier doesn't have HGH, and I don't really like trying out new ones... have to think about it..
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Self admitted, I really don't know all the intricacies on AAS. From what I have read is that there is new collagen being laid down in response to things like winstrol or anavar, but it is potentially more brittle than normal collagen.
There appears to be more research on increasing collagen production with consumption of collagen peptides and Vitamin c (and to a lesser extent Vitamin D). I think the amount on collagen is 30gm a day and Vitamin C is like 2 - 3000mg per day. That was the recommendation from the surgeon when I had my rotator repair in 2017.
Overall, the best bet is still going to be active therapy. Simply doing leg extensions or light leg press isn't the way to go. It should be from BOTH sides of the quad. Its a hip flexor as well as a lower leg extender. So, thinking globally, if you have issues with your "hip" that could have put the other side of the muscle at risk
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Ostarine
MK-677
BPC-157 capsules
MSM
Collagen
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Self admitted, I really don't know all the intricacies on AAS. From what I have read is that there is new collagen being laid down in response to things like winstrol or anavar, but it is potentially more brittle than normal collagen.
Different steroids are supposed to have different effects on collagen formation, the type and so on. From memory testosterone itself wasn't that great so they recommend only low dose. I think nandrolone and oxandrolone were supposed to be a couple of the good ones. I would think though, if someone is a regular steroid user, being hypogonadal during the whole rehab process is probably not ideal, you'd probably want at least normal test. But that's just a guess, perhaps tendon recovery etc is only minimally influenced by androgens. Do you have any opinion on other natural joint supplements like curcumin? Supposedly in some studies provided equal subjective relief as NSAIDs. I haven't tried it myself, there's so many different supps and only so much money in my case. Curcumin is supposed to be this miracle healer from so many aspects, even theoretically protecting steroid users hearts or whatever.
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Different steroids are supposed to have different effects on collagen formation, the type and so on. From memory testosterone itself wasn't that great so they recommend only low dose. I think nandrolone and oxandrolone were supposed to be a couple of the good ones. I would think though, if someone is a regular steroid user, being hypogonadal during the whole rehab process is probably not ideal, you'd probably want at least normal test. But that's just a guess, perhaps tendon recovery etc is only minimally influenced by androgens. Do you have any opinion on other natural joint supplements like curcumin? Supposedly in some studies provided equal subjective relief as NSAIDs. I haven't tried it myself, there's so many different supps and only so much money in my case. Curcumin is supposed to be this miracle healer from so many aspects, even theoretically protecting steroid users hearts or whatever.
https://ergo-log.com/joints.html (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)
https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)
Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.
Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)
As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall. Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.
I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis. Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.
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https://ergo-log.com/joints.html (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)
https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)
Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.
Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)
As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall. Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.
I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis. Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.
You need black pepper extract with the turmeric/curcumin, enhances absorption by a supposed 2000%. Or some other absorption enhancer. Just reading the forums Meriva brand of curcumin seems to have most scientific and positive customer feedback.
MK-677 is extremely effective but the sides can be brutal and outright dangerous. I use it though. Insanely, unbelievably effective as an appetite enhancer, if that is a problem. I don't think anything else comes close.
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https://ergo-log.com/joints.html (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)
https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)
Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.
Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)
As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall. Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.
I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis. Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.
good I bought 1kg each of those. Taking about a tablespoon/day each. If it helps great, if not it wasn't that pricey
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https://ergo-log.com/joints.html (good site for current stuff but sometimes there's some major bias on what supps get recommended)
https://ergo-log.com/turmericarchives.html (info on curcumin here too)
Chondroitin = not worth it overall IMO
Glucosamine and MSM = probably most effective, but the dosages have to be high enough AND there needs to be enough cartilage remaining to produce synovial fluid.
Tumeric is great for inflammation but you need a hefty dose (3000mg+)
As far as Ostarine and MK-677 (from previous poster) - just reading up on that stuff, the sides don't see to be worth it overall. Plus, most order online and who the fuck knows what you're getting.
I know about Epithalon because there's been some research on it with Alzheimers (family member has it with dimensia) and if I was closer I would no doubt give it to them on a regular basis. Supposedly there is some mechanism that could benefit tendon healing.
Never had any issues myself, they helped tremendously for my injuries, especially tendons and also joints such as knees and shoulder.
I think the problem for some is they use too high dosages.
For MK-677, one should start with 10mg's and gradually build up. Also is a great sleep aid and gives a feeling of having a deep sleep when waking up.
With Ostarine, had no negative side effects.
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Ostarine
MK-677
BPC-157 capsules
MSM
Collagen
Are these all separate or in one supplement?
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Never had any issues myself, they helped tremendously for my injuries, especially tendons and also joints such as knees and shoulder.
I think the problem for some is they use too high dosages.
For MK-677, one should start with 10mg's and gradually build up. Also is a great sleep aid and gives a feeling of having a deep sleep when waking up.
With Ostarine, had no negative side effects.
You mean there are lifters that start off at too high of doses? NO WAY!!
Seriously though, fair enough on the sides for you. Maybe I am a bit too conservative in my thinking. I read up on some of that stuff and thought "no way"
Point still remains on what you're actually getting and where its from. Wouldn't you agree?
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Are these all separate or in one supplement?
Separate
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Never had any issues myself, they helped tremendously for my injuries, especially tendons and also joints such as knees and shoulder.
I think the problem for some is they use too high dosages.
For MK-677, one should start with 10mg's and gradually build up. Also is a great sleep aid and gives a feeling of having a deep sleep when waking up.
With Ostarine, had no negative side effects.
Yeah that's a good idea. Some have problems with sleep with it presumably because it should release some cortisol too, then one can try mornings. Out of an abundance of caution investing in a glucometer would be a great idea. Just like GH this can cause insulin resistance/high blood sugar, maybe worse. It does raise IGF impressively even if it can't give the high blood GH peaks of injected GH. IMO, if you start having marks on your ankles after you take off your socks you should stop or change dosage. In a combo with roids I could feel water sloshing in my feet as I walked. I have seen a couple of friends gain 4-8lbs after 2 caps. For me the total water gain was perhaps as much as 16-20lbs! which is shed after coming off - anyone can see that that is dangerous. But it can be great, like I said I use it myself, right now 10mg, I have no appetite due to painkillers, lost over 30lbs quickly due to illness. Amazing strength booster in combo with steroids, the extra water gives stability. It has been trialed in humans, even against alzheimers but researchers say it will never see the commercial market due to the side effect of the huge appetite increase (although imo it could be marketed just for that, I doubt anything available now even comes close in effectiveness).
Ostarine I have no idea because I doubt it can offer much to a steroid user. The SARMs should be viewed as steroids even though they aren't, similar effects and sides. MAXX already uses roids but perhaps Ostarine could be an add on to the TRT if it helps the joints.
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Are these all separate or in one supplement?
A certain hated poster said BPC "cured" his stomach problems. I would worry that the caps don't contain the ccompound it the right quantity. I would buy third party tested freeze dried product, then reconstitute the "puck" and squirt in empty gel caps just before taking it :D Probably wouldn't hurt to try, it's in gastric juices naturally anyway.
Krankenstein, with MK you at least know if it's real due to the sides. Can't be sure of any supps, one third party testing company says only Thorne has ever passed all quality controls, but naturally they are very expensive.
So1me of the peptide companies offer third party tested product. Some assurance at least although you could fudge that too. Actually many steroid/gh labs offer this as well now. One lab director says most GH on the market is 96-98% pure and by pharma standards it has to be just 94% pure. The amps are often just unmarked, no labels or whatever, different colored caps is all lol.
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Separate
How much does that cost?