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There's no doubt that DoggCrap training is a unique and effective approach to gaining massive amounts of muscle. The most notable follower of DC training is none other than the new giant killer - the little big man - Dave Henry. Yet, for all the size he's packed on over the past couple years he is still trying to bring up his hamstrings in vain. Unfortunately, while the rest of him is growing, his hams aren't improving at quite the same pace. Is this because of genetic limitations or does DoggCrap = Crappy Hammies???
Consider the following:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight138.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight703.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight129.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight400.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight136.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight702.jpg)
Looks to me like Mr. Henry needs to put DC on hold and Marvel at this:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight682.jpg)
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David Henry just needs to bring his intensity up a couple of notches. Look at Dorian's hams.. doesn't take more then 3 total sets to get them huge!
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Thats really weak logic.
A theory based on 1 piece of (weak) evidence
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Thats really weak logic.
A theory based on 1 piece of (weak) evidence
either way what David Henry is doing (DC) its not working for his hamstrings
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Maybe he's genetically predisposed to have difficulty with that particular bodypart
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Maybe he's genetically predisposed to have difficulty with that particular bodypart
I mentioned that possibility - could be . . .
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Yeh its a bit cliche to throw in the ole genetics thing isn't it. I feel like I'm making a nothing comment even suggesting it.
Maybe it is on his list of "things to do", can't focus on everything at the same time I guess.
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Yeh its a bit cliche to throw in the ole genetics thing isn't it. I feel like I'm making a nothing comment even suggesting it.
Maybe it is on his list of "things to do", can't focus on everything at the same time I guess.
true enough, Rocket - I'm sure we both wish him the best
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DC Training is pretty much crap to begin with.
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It's unfair to put henry's legs up against mohammad's in the first place, hell you can basically put mohammad's legs up against any other pro's and you'll see the same difference. Henry is lacking in the hams I can agree but the two are not even on the same axis
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DC Training is pretty much crap to begin with.
Nail on the head right there. ^
Dave just likes DC training because he gets excited by the fast increases in strength he gets from it. Not realizing that strength increase alone on one rest-pause set is no substitute for volume, atleast not a permanent one. Sure he's grown, but put anyone on enough Test, Deca, and Dbol and you'll grow on just about any stinkin' routine.
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Nail on the head right there. ^
Dave just likes DC training because he gets excited by the fast increases in strength he gets from it. Not realizing that strength increase alone on one rest-pause set is no substitute for volume, atleast not a permanent one. Sure he's grown, but put anyone on enough Test, Deca, and Dbol and you'll grow on just about any stinkin' routine.
ummmmm the guy is not strong... he only does machines.. He probably struggles with 315 on the incline.
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DC Training is pretty much crap to begin with.
That's interesting. Somehow this DC crap is transforming my body like no other program I've ever done. Dugdale's doing it now.. Henry is doing it with great success.
Just for grins, why don't you post some pics of your incredible physique, competition record, and credentials regarding training, anatomy, physiology etc. I don't know anything about you other than your opinion that DC is "crap."
Oh, by the way I am a natural bodybuilder too... my anabolic weapon is food.
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Nail on the head right there. ^
Dave just likes DC training because he gets excited by the fast increases in strength he gets from it. Not realizing that strength increase alone on one rest-pause set is no substitute for volume, atleast not a permanent one. Sure he's grown, but put anyone on enough Test, Deca, and Dbol and you'll grow on just about any stinkin' routine.
oh yea, and all those tiny powerlifters too....all that low volume , 3X3 stuff, what are they thinking?
have ya actually tried the program?
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Maybe he's genetically predisposed to have difficulty with that particular bodypart
bingo!
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There's no doubt that DoggCrap training is a unique and effective approach to gaining massive amounts of muscle. The most notable follower of DC training is none other than the new giant killer - the little big man - Dave Henry. Yet, for all the size he's packed on over the past couple years he is still trying to bring up his hamstrings in vain. Unfortunately, while the rest of him is growing, his hams aren't improving at quite the same pace. Is this because of genetic limitations or does DoggCrap = Crappy Hammies???
Consider the following:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight138.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight703.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight129.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight400.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight136.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight702.jpg)
Looks to me like Mr. Henry needs to put DC on hold and Marvel at this:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight682.jpg)
So how does Mustafah train his hamstrings?
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That's interesting. Somehow this DC crap is transforming my body like no other program I've ever done. Dugdale's doing it now.. Henry is doing it with great success.
Just for grins, why don't you post some pics of your incredible physique, competition record, and credentials regarding training, anatomy, physiology etc. I don't know anything about you other than your opinion that DC is "crap."
Oh, by the way I am a natural bodybuilder too... my anabolic weapon is food.
brianX, are you going to answer the challenge?
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight400.jpg)
This shot is not Mustafa... He does not have any shredded hams
That's Lee Priest
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This shot is not Mustafa... He does not have any shredded hams
That's Lee Priest
Lee always looks good.
(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/gallery/male/Jones-4.jpg)
YIP
Zack
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Lee always looks good.
(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/gallery/male/Jones-4.jpg)
YIP
Zack
Yes he always shows up in shape.
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first off if you say DC training is crap you've either A) Not tried it or B) Didn't understand it. By not understanding it I mean you don't know how to generate the type of intesity needed to use the program effectively. The whole theory of rest pause has been around for years and it has proven to be effective by tons of people. The thing with DC training is he took alot of pre existing intesity techniques and put them together in a manner that made sense. I'm in a unique position with this type of training. I've trained using volume and did it for a long time, I was set to do the 91 junior michigan but got hospitalized and had to stop training for along time. I did blood and guts around 93 and did well with it but didn't really understand the simple fact that as you increase intesity you need to drop volume. I stopped training for along time, about 3 years while I went back to school and did alot of research in my spare time. I did Max OT and it was very effective when I came back but the problem with this routine is it trashed my joints so I decided to try DC training. It's very effective to say the least. In the begining, about June of 04 I did everything excactly as outlined in the DogLogg, except for rinsing the beef and using olive oil in my shakes. I totally loaded up on protien, I lived for eating protien. My weight when I started was about 194. I went from June to around the middle of august like this and didn't check my bodywieght but I knew good things were happening. We had a pretty bad family tragedy that I won't get into again and I had to really cut back on my training, I checked my weight and I was up to 211. Since that time I've cut back on my intesity but have still managed to make decent gains considering my effort is only at about 70%. Right now I'm about 200lbs but my family life is crazy so I can't go 100%.
Anyway I think Dave is just genetically weak in the hamstring area but they have gotten better since he turned pro just have not grown at the same rate as the rest of his body. To say Dave is weak because he uses machines is pretty much an uninformed statement. I don't know Daves exact routine but just because he uses machines does not mean he's weak.
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Lee is shorter, much shorter,
and about DC,
DC is worthless. It's nice for a change sometimes, but for the longrun it's worthless. It depends to much on rest, you cant train two days in a row cause your CNS can't handle it, cause DC focuses to much on strength rather than quality.
So if somebody is telling you that he's making great gains, he did something seriously wrong in his old routines. If you're only able to train three times a week,
make a decent push-pull routine, and train legs seperately. Switch once in a while and do a chest/back and arms/shoulders routine. Keep having a one day for legs.
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Anyone care to explain to a newbie what is DC training is? Some links please.
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Lee is shorter, much shorter,
and about DC,
DC is worthless. It's nice for a change sometimes, but for the longrun it's worthless. It depends to much on rest, you cant train two days in a row cause your CNS can't handle it, cause DC focuses to much on strength rather than quality.
So if somebody is telling you that he's making great gains, he did something seriously wrong in his old routines. If you're only able to train three times a week,
make a decent push-pull routine, and train legs seperately. Switch once in a while and do a chest/back and arms/shoulders routine. Keep having a one day for legs.
no offense but if you are training all out like you're supposed to be on DC training you can't train 2 days in a row, there are studies that show that if you train hard your CNS does take a hit that's why the typical DC routine goes something like train on Monday, Wedsday and Friday thats it. Alot of HIT routines are set up like this. The thought process is that you need more rest the harder you train. Does a standard push pull routine work? I'm sure it does and I made decent gains using this type of routine. The problem with this type of routine, especially for younger guys is they have a tendencey to add excersise after excersise, the thought process being "well if 3 sets is good then 5 will be better". this is not how the body works. To say that a routine that focuses on rest as an important factor to gaining muscle is a very uninformed statement.
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Anyone care to explain to a newbie what is DC training is? Some links please.
in a nutshell, and I'm not an expert so take it for what it is.
take a body part and evaluate it, what are it's weak points and what movements will make these better, you also factor in your favorite movements, pick 3 so for chest lets say you do Inclines, declines and a machine press. you will work chest every other workout, the body is split up like this:
work out 1
chest
shoulders
tri's
back width
back thickness
workout 2
bi's
forearms
calfs
quads
hams
for the first workout on for chest you will do inclines, nice heavy weight until failure, lets say it's around 8 reps. You'll do the 8 reps rack it take 12-15 deep breathes and do another mini set until failure again rack it for another 12-15 deep breaths and do one last mini set, you should be at total musculare failure at this point, then you can perform a static hold for about 20 seconds followed by an extreme stretch. You also are supposed to do every negative portion of a rep at a nice slow pace, you should be able to stop the weight at any time if you chose too, so you must be in complete control of the entire movement. Nice explosive positive portion of the movement. write down what you did and next time you have to beat it either by reps or by weight.
that's just a very brief overview...go over to intense muscle and search the dog pound forums, you'll get a ton of info about the program from that site.
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Does anyone care what routines the pro's use? Genetics & juice are what makes top bodybuilders.
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not according to Tom Prince...
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So with your reasoning I could concur that any pro bodybuilder who has a weak bodypart, means his training sucks for that bodypart? You dont think Marcus Ruhl has tried every method around to bring up his triceps? Craig Titus tried every method around to bring up his chest? Milos probably tried many different things for his arms? Name your weak bodypart--does that mean YOU have no clue whatsoever how to train it? This is what bodybuilding is all about. Its the rarest of individuals who has 100% even development. You could have every pro out there with a weak back, copy exactly what Ronnie does for back and they wouldnt even get close to looking like Ronnies back. Daves brought his legs up dramatically from 3 years ago and will continue to do so. Its not like he and I dont know what his catchup bodyparts are.
Here is a teenager I trained who does alot of the exact same things via hamstrings as Dave. So now what does that do for your argument? Everybody who does my methods sure as hell arent going to end up with shoulders or a back like Dave either. This endeavor is about genetics and what you do with that genetic hand youve been dealt. If your arms absolutely suck after 2 years of hard training guess what? Trust me, they are never going to be your standout bodypart-EVER.
Natural Al I appreciate your posts over here--continued success to you on your gains
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So with your reasoning I could concur that any pro bodybuilder who has a weak bodypart, means his training sucks for that bodypart? You dont think Marcus Ruhl has tried every method around to bring up his triceps? Craig Titus tried every method around to bring up his chest? Milos probably tried many different things for his arms? Name your weak bodypart--does that mean YOU have no clue whatsoever how to train it? This is what bodybuilding is all about. Its the rarest of individuals who has 100% even development. You could have every pro out there with a weak back, copy exactly what Ronnie does for back and they wouldnt even get close to looking like Ronnies back. Daves brought his legs up dramatically from 3 years ago and will continue to do so. Its not like he and I dont know what his catchup bodyparts are.
Here is a teenager I trained who does alot of the exact same things via hamstrings as Dave. So now what does that do for your argument? Everybody who does my methods sure as hell arent going to end up with shoulders or a back like Dave either. This endeavor is about genetics and what you do with that genetic hand youve been dealt. If your arms absolutely suck after 2 years of hard training guess what? Trust me, they are never going to be your standout bodypart-EVER.
Natural Al I appreciate your posts over here--continued success to you on your gains
What does his cycle look like thanks!
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So with your reasoning I could concur that any pro bodybuilder who has a weak bodypart, means his training sucks for that bodypart? You dont think Marcus Ruhl has tried every method around to bring up his triceps? Craig Titus tried every method around to bring up his chest? Milos probably tried many different things for his arms? Name your weak bodypart--does that mean YOU have no clue whatsoever how to train it? This is what bodybuilding is all about. Its the rarest of individuals who has 100% even development. You could have every pro out there with a weak back, copy exactly what Ronnie does for back and they wouldnt even get close to looking like Ronnies back. Daves brought his legs up dramatically from 3 years ago and will continue to do so. Its not like he and I dont know what his catchup bodyparts are.
Here is a teenager I trained who does alot of the exact same things via hamstrings as Dave. So now what does that do for your argument? Everybody who does my methods sure as hell arent going to end up with shoulders or a back like Dave either. This endeavor is about genetics and what you do with that genetic hand youve been dealt. If your arms absolutely suck after 2 years of hard training guess what? Trust me, they are never going to be your standout bodypart-EVER.
Natural Al I appreciate your posts over here--continued success to you on your gains
Thanks dante, I post over at IM as a-dog. I try not to ask too many questions but I will say that everytime I inquire about something Dante or one of the other DC experts responds very quickly. This guy knows what the hell he's talking about and the people he trains are proof of that. Maybe if some of you guys would do some research into how muscle's grow and the imortance of recovery you'd understand why these theories hold water.
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not according to Tom Prince...
Tom Prince was 5-7 and 230 pounds before he touched gear so he probably has a distorted opinion about the importance of gear.
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Tom Prince was 5-7 and 230 pounds before he touched gear so he probably has a distorted opinion about the importance of gear.
go check out his thread on BB.com...it'll prolly piss ya off some..
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go check out his thread on BB.com...it'll prolly piss ya off some..
Why? :-\
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oh yea, and all those tiny powerlifters too....all that low volume , 3X3 stuff, what are they thinking?
have ya actually tried the program?
Many of the best powerlifters use extremely high volume. You have obviously never heard of Brian Siders or Bill Kazmaier.
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Many of the best powerlifters use extremely high volume. You have obviously never heard of Brian Siders or Bill Kazmaier.
Actually, most powerlifters use high volume for the assistance excercises. Even Westside training they use high volume. They may only do a few reps for the actual big three, but the rest is usually high volume.
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thanks, gonna try it.
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thanks, gonna try it.
Let us know how it turns out!
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dc training's for homosexuals.
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how dumb can u be? if he put on a lot of size using DC training, then u need to give props to DC training (ofcourse training is only one part of the equation. perhaps his nutrition, AAS, preparation, etc. got better). just becuz someone has a crappy body part doesnt necessarily mean the way he trains is wrong.
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and by the way, nice to see you post here Dante. I used your training ideas years ago and I liked them a lot. I still go back to them once in a while to help me get past a plateau. Works extremely well. Ur a bright bright man.
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dc training's for homosexuals.
how long you been dc lifting.
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how long you been dc lifting.
Longer than you have been posting here ;D
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Oh, by the way I am a natural bodybuilder too... my anabolic weapon is food.
HAHAHAHAHAH okay. hahahahah your just a warrior!!!!!!!
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HAHAHAHAHAH okay. hahahahah your just a warrior!!!!!!!
You two should have a posedown!
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Natural Al - on your post you reflect that the body is split into two halves. Let's say you train workout 1 on Monday do you train workout 2 on Tuesday and start up again on workout 1 on Thursday? I've never tried DC Training and would like to give it a shot.
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Natural Al - on your post you reflect that the body is split into two halves. Let's say you train workout 1 on Monday do you train workout 2 on Tuesday and start up again on workout 1 on Thursday? I've never tried DC Training and would like to give it a shot.
Do you have any olive oil handy? ;D
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if i need some i'll borrow yours
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Natural Al - on your post you reflect that the body is split into two halves. Let's say you train workout 1 on Monday do you train workout 2 on Tuesday and start up again on workout 1 on Thursday? I've never tried DC Training and would like to give it a shot.
workout one would be monday, workout 2 would be wedsday and then you would repeat workout one on friday but with different movements, so if you used inclines for chest on monday you might use a hammer machine on friday...this is really simplified explanation, you might want to check out intensemuscle and go to the dc forums...or you could search over on google for doggcrapp and look for the dog log....or I guess you could IM me and I could go into more detail....
Do you have any olive oil handy? ;D
it's funny how people focus on this....if you are an ectomorph what would be the problem with adding olive oil to a shake, it's very calorically dense and it's a good fat....you use it to up your daily calorie count, if you're fat you skip it...it's not that hard to understand....I've never had to use it but I think if I was stuck at 125lbs for along time and someone said "try adding olive oil to your protien shakes" I might give it a try...
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workout one would be monday, workout 2 would be wedsday and then you would repeat workout one on friday but with different movements, so if you used inclines for chest on monday you might use a hammer machine on friday...this is really simplified explanation, you might want to check out intensemuscle and go to the dc forums...or you could search over on google for doggcrapp and look for the dog log....or I guess you could IM me and I could go into more detail....
it's funny how people focus on this....if you are an ectomorph what would be the problem with adding olive oil to a shake, it's very calorically dense and it's a good fat....you use it to up your daily calorie count, if you're fat you skip it...it's not that hard to understand....I've never had to use it but I think if I was stuck at 125lbs for along time and someone said "try adding olive oil to your protien shakes" I might give it a try...
I see that you have no sense of humor ::)
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I see that you have no sense of humor ::)
I see you reply to eveythread on this board even if you have nothing to add ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I see you reply to eveythread on this board even if you have nothing to add ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You know me too well ;D
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:)
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"then you can perform a static hold for about 20 seconds followed by an extreme stretch."
I never saw this part in the DC article in Ironman Magazine.........
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"then you can perform a static hold for about 20 seconds followed by an extreme stretch."
I never saw this part in the DC article in Ironman Magazine.........
the IM article was a good introduction but didn't cover all the bases.
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Yes he always shows up in shape.
That pic is not Lee Priest either...
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the IM article was a good introduction but didn't cover all the bases.
Where, exactly can I get a full breakdown. I emailed dante, and he brushed me off, he said to check, intensemuscle.com. I went through it, but everything is all messed up. I guess Dante, thinks I'm just another punk, kid, looking for a new program. Whatever, I guess attitute always comes with a little success.
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Where, exactly can I get a full breakdown. I emailed dante, and he brushed me off, he said to check, intensemuscle.com. I went through it, but everything is all messed up. I guess Dante, thinks I'm just another punk, kid, looking for a new program. Whatever, I guess attitute always comes with a little success.
dante really won't do anything with anybody that has not been training for years and he's complained about getting bombarded by e-mails since the IM thing came out. I'm not speaking for him, just what i read over at IM.
To get a full breakdown do a search on google for the dogg log, I don't know if you'll find it anymore, it's been taken out of circulation but you might be able to get your hands on it. What are you concused about? maybe I can help out.
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when do you do this static hold for 20 seconds and then a extreme stretch?
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I guess Dante, thinks I'm just another punk, kid, looking for a new program.
Can't imagine where he'd get that idea.....
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when do you do this static hold for 20 seconds and then a extreme stretch?
after you do your 3 RP sets you can rest about 10 seconds and then do a static....I wouldn't limit it to 20 seconds, do it until you can't hold the weight anymore. The extreme stretch is usually done right after the static.....no static on tri's as it tends to hurt the elbow from what I hear. You can also do partials instead of statics.
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after you do you're 3 RP sets
After you do what? What makes you become this "3 RP sets?"
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after you do you're 3 RP sets you can rest about 10 seconds and then do a static....I wouldn't limit it to 20 seconds, do it until you can't hold the weight anymore. The extreme stretch is usually done right after the static.....no static on tri's as it tends to hurt the elbow from what I hear. You can also do partials instead of statics.
what is the stretch? how come this part wasn't in the article?
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ummmmm the guy is not strong... he only does machines.. He probably struggles with 315 on the incline.
And you've never even sniffed 315 on anything.
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And you've never even sniffed 315 on anything.
Pressed it for a couple. 8)
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After you do what? What makes you become this "3 RP sets?"
allright, lets start with the basics a 3 rp set means 3 rest pause sets. Lets say you are going to incline bench....take a weight that you can get 8 reps with...do the 8, nice slow negatives with an explosive positive and go until failure. Rack the weight and take 12-15 deep breaths...should be about 20 seconds..grab the weight and rep out again until failure...you should get about 2-4 reps and when you fail do it again...you should reach total failure after the 3rd rest pause set. Rack the weight and then do the static hold. Lets say you did 225lbs. Next workout you either have to beat it in reps or weight. So next workout you'd do the same thing but with 230lbs.
Calves are different as is back and legs...I'll go into it tomorrow if you want..I got stuff to do right now.
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what is the stretch? how come this part wasn't in the article?
if you go to intense muscle and go to the dog pound they have a thread that descibes them alot better than I can.
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if you go to intense muscle and go to the dog pound they have a thread that descibes them alot better than I can.
Yeah, it is so hard to desribe a hamstring stretch.
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Yeah, it is so hard to desribe a hamstring stretch.
alright smart ass, I was being a nice guy and helping people out...if you know so fucking much why don't you describe it and the rest of em while your at it. Dick.
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alright smart ass, I was being a nice guy and helping people out...if you know so fucking much why don't you describe it and the rest of em while your at it. Dick.
Okay.
The hamstring is comprised of essentially three different muscles. Medially is the semimembranosous, and laterally is the semitendonosis, and biceps femoris.
These muscles cross both the knee joint, and pelvis, requiring activation at both areas for complete stretching of the fascial tissue surrounding the contractile tissue of the muscles.
To properly stretch the hamstrings, the knee must be relatively near lockout, and the lumbar and sacral portions of the spine must be contracted, forming an arch of the lower back.
A stretch of both legs can be achieved with both feet facing forward evenly, and bending over at the waist. A slight bend in the knees should be maintained to aid in prevention of joint damage, and the lower back should be arched, to actively stretch the proximal portion of the hamstring muscles.
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Okay.
The hamstring is comprised of essentially three different muscles. Medially is the semimembranosous, and laterally is the semitendonosis, and biceps femoris.
These muscles cross both the knee joint, and pelvis, requiring activation at both areas for complete stretching of the fascial tissue surrounding the contractile tissue of the muscles.
To properly stretch the hamstrings, the knee must be relatively near lockout, and the lumbar and sacral portions of the spine must be contracted, forming an arch of the lower back.
A stretch of both legs can be achieved with both feet facing forward evenly, and bending over at the waist. A slight bend in the knees should be maintained to aid in prevention of joint damage, and the lower back should be arched, to actively stretch the proximal portion of the hamstring muscles.
not excactly how described in the dog log, remember its an "extreme" stretch your not just stretching the muscel but you're trying ot expand the fascia it's a little more brutal than a regular stretch. Actually what you do is find a high bar, throw your foot over it, grab your toe and start to force your head into your knee, try to keep your leg pretty straight. it's supposed to hurt, it's not a mamby pamby stretch...so wether it's textbook or not, that's the way it's described in the dogg log, it's supposed to be very hard. You're not as smart as you think you are as far as this training system goes.
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not excactly how described in the dog log but since you're so smart go ahead and post the rest...then go ahead and post everything else you know about dc training....which I'm betting ain't squat..except for what you 've seen me type.
Shouldn't you be rinsing some beef? It's after carb cut off time.
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Shouldn't you be rinsing some beef? It's after carb cut off time.
shouldn't you be blowing your boyfriend?
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Looks to me like Mr. Henry needs to put DC on hold and Marvel at this:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006impics_irvnight682.jpg)
bastards. too cool to acknowledge my clever pun. I hate you all
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after you do your 3 RP sets you can rest about 10 seconds and then do a static....I wouldn't limit it to 20 seconds, do it until you can't hold the weight anymore. The extreme stretch is usually done right after the static.....no static on tri's as it tends to hurt the elbow from what I hear. You can also do partials instead of statics.
When you refer to an "extreme" stretch, I'm assuming you mean a "ballistic" stretch? Sorry I didn't read the entire thread.
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Good pun Poppa J. I like your pun cos it is funny and clever.
Good pun though seriously
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When you refer to an "extreme" stretch, I'm assuming you mean a "ballistic" stretch? Sorry I didn't read the entire thread.
extreme stretching is basically fascia stretching techniques that dante describes in the original dog log....there are detailed descriptions over at IM...I know how to do em but I think something would be lost in the translation if I typed it out.
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Really Matt?
There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years
(this should be good)
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Really Matt?
There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years
(this should be good)
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1-Alexxx
2-Alexxx
3-Alexxx
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Really Matt?
There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years
(this should be good)
So by eating more (protein), and doing "weight training", aswell as using anabolics steroids (along with other substances such as gh/slin etc etc) he is getting bigger? ::)
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there is WAY to much emphasis put on training in bodybuilding. You see how Coleman trains? he doesn't fuck around...
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ok, I stopped reading when you said Dave Henry was 5'5" and 3/4. :P
isn't he like 4'10?!?!?!?!?!
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isn't he like 4'10?!?!?!?!?!
That sounds more accurate.
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I find the line "shawn dwarfing" funny, I don't know why :)
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So if Im talking on the phone with Dave and he tells me "he is 5'5" and change" because he actually got measured for something (military, suit and jacket, something I cant remember).....Im supposed to believe some guy named MattC on the net who doesnt know Dave from adam and is going by pictures than the ACTUAL person himself? I told Dave "hell people say you should tell everyone your 5'6" so your the same height as Dexter" and he said he really didnt care, he was measured at a shade under 5'6" and he has nothing to hide. Case closed
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So if Im talking on the phone with Dave and he tells me "he is 5'5" and change" because he actually got measured for something (military, suit and jacket, something I cant remember).....Im supposed to believe some guy named MattC on the net who doesnt know Dave from adam and is going by pictures than the ACTUAL person himself? I told Dave "hell people say you should tell everyone your 5'6" so your the same height as Dexter" and he said he really didnt care, he was measured at a shade under 5'6" and he has nothing to hide. Case closed
Matt C has a great knowledge on the subject of human height, He is actually a leading person in this field, and not just some "guy off the net".
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I'm 5'10. ;D
hahaha midget!
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All of you HOLES got it wrong...Dave Henry didnt put that kind of muscle on(40lbs) becuse of a particular training method...or the use of anabolics, gh, slin or whatever...no no no...
He uses MuscleTech supplements you big sillys! When you use research approved and scientifically formulated products like Anatorp70, Leukic and Gacik and NitroTech...then it's a wonder why he didnt gain 70lbs of muscle.
You can clearly see Jeremy freeman gained 50lbs using MuscleTech products.
You people got to wake up and smell the cell-tech...whats wrong with all of you?
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Correct. ;D
And as I proved above, people like about their height. ;) I am in fact 5'9. :'(
5'5 I could possibly believe about Dave Henry, but 5'6 seems too high. He is shorter than Lee Priest in pictures. I know the angle of this picture works to Lee's favour, but he is taller than Dave for sure:
(http://media.bodybuildingpro.com/leepriesttitans7dvd/60.jpg)
Not everyone can be 6'4 and 1/16th. >:(
not everyone lies about thier height....I'm short..I know it, it ain't gonna change..I've always been short. I make fun of it more than anything else..I'm about 5'7 or 5'8, don't know since I have not checked in years..all I know is it sucks to have to climb to reach stuff on the top shelf at meijers..major bummer.
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Dante - what does training have to do with putting on mass? ???
That comes down to nutrition more than anything. Now if Dave is on a nutrition program you made, that can get some credit.
Stop training and start eating and come back to us with the results.
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Stop training and start eating and come back to us with the results.
alexxx that was actually a "smart" comment.
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alexxx that was actually a "smart" comment.
Feels nice to hear that for a change! ;D
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the way I understand it is dante does a personal diet for all of his clients..I could be wrong but I think that he stated this in another thead...same thread whre he comfirmed that Adonis begged Dante to train him and since dante turned him down adonis has had a grudge.
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the way I understand it is dante does a personal diet for all of his clients..I could be wrong but I think that he stated this in another thead...same thread whre he comfirmed that Adonis begged Dante to train him and since dante turned him down adonis has had a grudge.
This one ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=81335.msg1164747#msg1164747
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All of you HOLES got it wrong...Dave Henry didnt put that kind of muscle on(40lbs) becuse of a particular training method...or the use of anabolics, gh, slin or whatever...no no no...
He uses MuscleTech supplements you big sillys! When you use research approved and scientifically formulated products like Anatorp70, Leukic and Gacik and NitroTech...then it's a wonder why he didnt gain 70lbs of muscle.
You can clearly see Jeremy freeman gained 50lbs using MuscleTech products.
You people got to wake up and smell the cell-tech...whats wrong with all of you?
All you have to do is walk into a GNC and you add 20 lbs. to your bench.
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Look at it this way:
If you train perfectly but eat poorly or eat perfectly and train poorly where will you make the most gains?
If you train perfectly, but eat poorly (in a calorie deficit) you will not gain anything. If you eat perfectly, you can train like a koala bear and you will still make decent gains. Muscle building is a matter of putting your body in a state where you take in more calories (and more of the right calories) than you burn. There is a lot less "give" possible when it comes to slacking off on nutrition. You need food and training to grow, but you can't do DC training for three years and eat below the amount you burn and gain ANYTHING. On the other hand, if you eat above and beyond your caloric needs and do circuit training exercises (pushups, chinups, dips), you will gain, providing you haven't already reached a peak or anything like that.
And natural al - 5'7 or 5'8 is not short, it is just not tall.
What are you babling about? You said you don't need to do any training to grow.. well.. prove us wrong.
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This one ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=81335.msg1164747#msg1164747
thanks...massive scourned lover syndrome by TA.
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Look at it this way:
If you train perfectly but eat poorly or eat perfectly and train poorly where will you make the most gains?
If you train perfectly, but eat poorly (in a calorie deficit) you will not gain anything. If you eat perfectly, you can train like a koala bear and you will still make decent gains. Muscle building is a matter of putting your body in a state where you take in more calories (and more of the right calories) than you burn. There is a lot less "give" possible when it comes to slacking off on nutrition. You need food and training to grow, but you can't do DC training for three years and eat below the amount you burn and gain ANYTHING. On the other hand, if you eat above and beyond your caloric needs and do circuit training exercises (pushups, chinups, dips), you will gain, providing you haven't already reached a peak or anything like that.
And natural al - 5'7 or 5'8 is not short, it is just not tall.
well if you take ten of my friends...I'm the shortest..I'm the 2nd shortest guy at work..the shortest guy is asian, my wife's family is all tall except her..all the guys are at least 6 foot. My brother is taller than me, my cousins...trust me, I'm short.
What is this bizzaro land? I'm trying to prove that I'm short? What has this board come to?
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Well I didn't mean that so let me rephrase:
It's not that you need no training, but the basics will do it.
If Dave Henry kept the same diet and juice program and then changed to DC training and put on 40 pounds, it would be testament to the effectiveness of DC. However, in all probability he changed his diet and changed his juice program, so there are too many confounding variables to conclude that DC training is effective.
Why don't you take it up and make you're own conclusions.. but there is a kicker.. you actually gotta follow it to the letter.
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Well I didn't mean that so let me rephrase:
It's not that you need no training, but the basics will do it.
If Dave Henry kept the same diet and juice program and then changed to DC training and put on 40 pounds, it would be testament to the effectiveness of DC. However, in all probability he changed his diet and changed his juice program, so there are too many confounding variables to conclude that DC training is effective.
There are also too many variables to say that it's not effective. I think it is. Is it the best thing since sliced bread? Don't know. What I do know is that I've gotten pretty strong off of it, I'm in decent shape and it's a very convienient way to train when you don't have alot of time.
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Yeah, true. It might help me get over a plateau.
Still - too many variables for the Dave Henry example to mean anything! He obviously started dabbling in more gear at the same time he took up DC training.
If you train hard and eat right you will grow. The only "trick" is being consistent (easier said than done).
I agree witht he consistancy thing.
One thing you have to understand when doing DC training and this is very hard to explain..you have to be ready to go to failure. It's a learned process. I "thought" I was training to failure 10 years ago but now I realize that I was not..it's kinda hard to explain and I'm not saying that you don't know how to go to failure but sometimes a newbie won't get as much out of the program and this is the reason. Intensity is learned, it's not given.
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Really Matt?
There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years
(this should be good)
Hate to butt in but at the Ironman I believe he weighed in somewhere in the low to mid 190's and when you say he was 163 when he turned pro don't forget he had to make a weight class and probably had to sacrifice some muscle to get there. If you're a knowlegable trainer you should know as well as I when you don't have to sacrifice muscle you're going to come in heavier so saying he put on 40lbs of muscle IMO Isn't quite accurate....BUT, let's say he did, putting on 30-40lbs of muscle in a 3 year period is roughly a little over 13lbs of muscle per year and when you're on gear, even small amounts for long cycles it's not that difficult to expect such a gain.
Now on to another point. Why, please tell me why he needs to gain an extra 40lbs in the offseason for little gain...there is absolutly no proof gaining that much in the offseason will mean significant gains come contest day unless....again...he loads up on gear for the better part of his offseason training. Seems Henry does well on his conditioning and not his size....why ruin it?
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He turned pro as a middleweight.
I doubt he had to "make weight" at 163lbs, as the middleweight cut off is 176. Hell, he could have made lightweight!
Hate to butt in but at the Ironman I believe he weighed in somewhere in the low to mid 190's and when you say he was 163 when he turned pro don't forget he had to make a weight class and probably had to sacrifice some muscle to get there. If you're a knowlegable trainer you should know as well as I when you don't have to sacrifice muscle you're going to come in heavier so saying he put on 40lbs of muscle IMO Isn't quite accurate....BUT, let's say he did, putting on 30-40lbs of muscle in a 3 year period is roughly a little over 13lbs of muscle per year and when you're on gear, even small amounts for long cycles it's not that difficult to expect such a gain.
Now on to another point. Why, please tell me why he needs to gain an extra 40lbs in the offseason for little gain...there is absolutly no proof gaining that much in the offseason will mean significant gains come contest day unless....again...he loads up on gear for the better part of his offseason training. Seems Henry does well on his conditioning and not his size....why ruin it?
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looks pretty young here
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He turned pro as a middleweight.
I doubt he had to "make weight" at 163lbs, as the middleweight cut off is 176. Hell, he could have made lightweight!
I know, I should have clarified. What I meant to say is he more than likely sacrificed muscle to come in as depleted as he seemed to be.
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Hate to butt in but at the Ironman I believe he weighed in somewhere in the low to mid 190's and when you say he was 163 when he turned pro don't forget he had to make a weight class and probably had to sacrifice some muscle to get there. If you're a knowlegable trainer you should know as well as I when you don't have to sacrifice muscle you're going to come in heavier so saying he put on 40lbs of muscle IMO Isn't quite accurate....BUT, let's say he did, putting on 30-40lbs of muscle in a 3 year period is roughly a little over 13lbs of muscle per year and when you're on gear, even small amounts for long cycles it's not that difficult to expect such a gain.
Now on to another point. Why, please tell me why he needs to gain an extra 40lbs in the offseason for little gain...there is absolutly no proof gaining that much in the offseason will mean significant gains come contest day unless....again...he loads up on gear for the better part of his offseason training. Seems Henry does well on his conditioning and not his size....why ruin it?
Make a weight class? 156 TO 172 LBS? He weighed 163 at the Nats. Did he diet off another 9 because he loves dieting-lol?
After carb up he weighed 204lbs last year. Thats 41lbs of muscle mass and he was far more shredded than any time he was an amateur so if he lost muscle mass it was to get down to 204. Forty lbs of muscle mass isnt a hard gain? Then AGAIN name all the other pro's doing it...simple as that.
To your second point. 228 offseason dieting down to 204...thats 24lbs. We are going to 242 so we can get him in the 210-220 range. Did you not see he was the most shredded human being on the planet at the NOC? He got third, and was told "got to get bigger" so the only way he can get 2nd or 1st is getting larger, so if they want larger, we are giving them larger. For MattC yes i do all of Daves offseason diet, and Dave does all of his own prep work (he sure as heck doesnt need any help in that aspect)
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Make a weight class? 156 TO 172 LBS? He weighed 163 at the Nats. Did he diet off another 9 because he loves dieting-lol?
After carb up he weighed 204lbs last year. Thats 41lbs of muscle mass and he was far more shredded than any time he was an amateur so if he lost muscle mass it was to get down to 204. Forty lbs of muscle mass isnt a hard gain? Then AGAIN name all the other pro's doing it...simple as that.
To your second point. 228 offseason dieting down to 204...thats 24lbs. We are going to 242 so we can get him in the 210-220 range. Did you not see he was the most shredded human being on the planet at the NOC? He got third, and was told "got to get bigger" so the only way he can get 2nd or 1st is getting larger, so if they want larger, we are giving them larger. For MattC yes i do all of Daves offseason diet, and Dave does all of his own prep work (he sure as heck doesnt need any help in that aspect)
anyone can go from 163 to 204, now, have him go from 220 to 250 onstage and we'll talk.
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Make a weight class? 156 TO 172 LBS? He weighed 163 at the Nats. Did he diet off another 9 because he loves dieting-lol?
After carb up he weighed 204lbs last year. Thats 41lbs of muscle mass and he was far more shredded than any time he was an amateur so if he lost muscle mass it was to get down to 204. Forty lbs of muscle mass isnt a hard gain? Then AGAIN name all the other pro's doing it...simple as that.
To your second point. 228 offseason dieting down to 204...thats 24lbs. We are going to 242 so we can get him in the 210-220 range. Did you not see he was the most shredded human being on the planet at the NOC? He got third, and was told "got to get bigger" so the only way he can get 2nd or 1st is getting larger, so if they want larger, we are giving them larger. For MattC yes i do all of Daves offseason diet, and Dave does all of his own prep work (he sure as heck doesnt need any help in that aspect)
1. No, not that he loves dieting, because he might have been afraid of coming in too smooth at a heavier weight.
2. CARBING UP before a show does not equate to muscle gain. Example..when I competed (1991) I weighed in at 172 in the morning...at prejudging (some 3-4 hours later) I was 178.....by the night show I was 186lbs and tight. your telling me I (or Dave) gained some 14lbs of muscle in an 8hr period?? Thats seems to me that's what you're saying!
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I just want to know if Henry rinses his ground beef off and drinks olive oil in his protein shakes. :-\
I will give DC credit for one thing, he didn't rip off Mentzer's dieting theories. So if there is actually 1 thing he's done legit and on his own, it's his nutritional counseling.
But then we get into the protein distributor recommending 600 grams of protein debates and the fact that carb cutoffs and food combining is alchemy at best.
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bingo!
I agree with Mike. I think it's just his genetics.
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I agree with Mike. I think it's just his genetics.
However, I do believe he will bring them up significantly in the future.
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But then we get into the protein distributor recommending 600 grams of protein debates and the fact that carb cutoffs and food combining is alchemy at best.
I loved how in the 1995 Mr. Olympia vhs Nasser claimed that he gained 30 lbs of solid muscle that year by increasing his insulin protein intake
(http://tedy.hit.bg/images/body/nasser_el_sonbaty001mod.jpg)
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I loved how in the 1995 Mr. Olympia vhs Nasser claimed that he gained 30 lbs of solid muscle that year by increasing his insulin protein intake
(http://tedy.hit.bg/images/body/nasser_el_sonbaty001mod.jpg)
that's one of the most photoshopped pics i've ever seen.
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that's one of the most photoshopped pics i've ever seen.
I bet you've seen a lot of photshoped dicks picks
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While I think a lot of the Doggcrapp theories holds merits, the part with the enourmous protein intake has no support in any literature that I've seen.
On the contrary, the only thing it will lead to, IN MY OPINION, is stress on the kidneys.
I'd like to get links to threads where the reason behind the extreme protein intake is discussed, and I also wonder if Dante has ever seriously bumped up the calories using a moderate protein and more complex carbs such as brown rice and such. If so, what were the lack of effects?
YIP
Zack
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the part with the enourmous protein intake has no support in any literature that I've seen.
On the contrary, the only thing it will lead to, IN MY OPINION, is stress on the kidneys.
I'd like to get links to threads where the reason behind the extreme protein intake is discussed, and I also wonder if Dante has ever seriously bumped up the calories using a moderate protein and more complex carbs such as brown rice and such. If so, what were the lack of effects?
YIP
Zack
concur
as long as your macronutrient totals are good to go, you will only get as big as your genetics will allow, or take more drugs.
there was a study back in the early 70's about increased protein intake. it was all excreted. mentzer use to refer to it in his writings. He never took in more than 100g of protein or so per day at any point.
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Nasser ElSonbaty is a clown. Dont listen to a word he says.
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What's the general thoughts of this guy? since Im officially an enemy of gh15, and since I fucking hate gh15, I suppose that would make me friends with the guy now "in theory"
He claims Im maxed out, burned out, will never be a freak cause I started too young etc but i really dont give a shit about that....what I do want to know is, if if what he says is legit or not. I mean he claimed he was about to fight craig titus and craig backed out like a bitch, and that he writes $1,000 anonymous checks to "Good people" in this industry...
anyone know the guy on a personal level? be curious to hear some REAL opinions on the guy
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We ran him off years ago.
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We ran him off years ago.
well I know that, cause of his pics,,,,,,but I mean all I saw was a massive dude in the offseason with 6 really nice cars in a garage. He owns a million dollar company And he has a hot wife I recall....guy seems happy. Wouldn't mind that life 10 years from now
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Doggcrap is a proper discription
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Geez, so now you're looking for a new "guru"? ::)
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Is this even a serious question? He is one of the most knowledgeable bodybuilding gurus when it comes to health and other things bodybuilding related. He and John Meadows are FANTASTIC for bodybuilding. They also NEVER push their products or try to make an easy buck. Pure class and integrity. Anyone who thinks otherwise is smoking crack or in denial. Please do yourselves all a favor and search through all of his posts over the years on professionalmuscle.com. And yes, his wife is a legit 10/10 (there are pics of her on his facebook page in a bikini). She is definitely way out of his league on the looks scale so good for him.
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Truthfully? Great guy.. Generous with those around him.. Helps more aspiring competitors with advise and supplements that you will never hear about.. I could go on but on this board it is " cooler" to degrade about anyone in bodybuilding yet its a bodybuilding board.. Odd.. Ya dont have to agree with him on his training or theories.. That's your purgative.. But it doesn't take away the fact he is a all around good guy..
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Truthfully? Great guy.. Generous with those around him.. Helps more aspiring competitors with advise and supplements that you will never hear about.. I could go on but on this board it is " cooler" to degrade about anyone in bodybuilding yet its a bodybuilding board.. Odd.. Ya dont have to agree with him on his training or theories.. That's your purgative.. But it doesn't take away the fact he is a all around good guy..
Truth. I have learned so much from his teachings on gear and health
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Geez, so now you're looking for a new "guru"? ::)
no, but the fact that I made it to my level following some gimmick who lives with his mom in florida (gh15) and training like a moron, imagine what I could do if I followed a guys advice who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about.. :o
despite what I have said and the confrontations i have had with dante in the past I look at it like this- Dante has turned a lot of guys into freaks, and has pics to back it..gh15 does NOT! .
alot of the guys he has trained and has turned into freaks were around the block for a while, so only a fool could say it was purely chemical related,right? those guys were all on lots of shit before... and he turned gym rats into freaks over and over again.
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Truthfully? Great guy.. Generous with those around him.. Helps more aspiring competitors with advise and supplements that you will never hear about.. I could go on but on this board it is " cooler" to degrade about anyone in bodybuilding yet its a bodybuilding board.. Odd.. Ya dont have to agree with him on his training or theories.. That's your purgative.. But it doesn't take away the fact he is a all around good guy..
Lats I read your posts, one that I find curious....you mentioned that a well known guru has pros take 300-400mg test with 4iu of gh in the offseason and eat lots of clean food. what is the purpose of this?
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Lats I read your posts, one that I find curious....you mentioned that a well known guru has pros take 300-400mg test with 4iu of gh in the offseason and eat lots of clean food. what is the purpose of this?
I'd like to see LATS answer this too. My guess is they were maxed out so he just put them on a health offseason and then went balls to the wall pre contest
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Lats I read your posts, one that I find curious....you mentioned that a well known guru has pros take 300-400mg test with 4iu of gh in the offseason and eat lots of clean food. what is the purpose of this?
Lowest maintenance dose possible as far as the gear goes, GH to heal injuries that happen during contest prep, and the clean food because there is no sense in clogging your system up with useless calories and fat with a dirty bulking lifestyle.
When the prep starts and the diet is cleaned up the competitor will not find himself suddenly missing the pizza or two dozen chicken wings he was eating daily prior.
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And what is the obsession with gh15? You fall for one of his scams or something?
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no, but the fact that I made it to my level following some gimmick who lives with his mom in florida (gh15) and training like a moron, imagine what I could do if I followed a guys advice who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about.. :o
despite what I have said and the confrontations i have had with dante in the past I look at it like this- Dante has turned a lot of guys into freaks, and has pics to back it..gh15 does NOT! .
alot of the guys he has trained and has turned into freaks were around the block for a while, so only a fool could say it was purely chemical related,right? those guys were all on lots of shit before... and he turned gym rats into freaks over and over again.
Don't get me wrong, I believe we can all learn from people/sources that prove themselves, but you should NEVER -blindly- follow a single person or source! (other when you hire someone) Guys like Milos, Chad and numerous others had good reputations as well, but they weren't perfect (yes, brutal understatement, LOL). I strongly believe in the principles of "wisdom of the crowd" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds); multiple people know more than one single person. This forum is a great example of this.
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Geez, so now you're looking for a new "guru"? ::)
:D
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no, but the fact that I made it to my level following some gimmick who lives with his mom in florida (gh15) and training like a moron, imagine what I could do if I followed a guys advice who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about.. :o
despite what I have said and the confrontations i have had with dante in the past I look at it like this- Dante has turned a lot of guys into freaks, and has pics to back it..gh15 does NOT! .
alot of the guys he has trained and has turned into freaks were around the block for a while, so only a fool could say it was purely chemical related,right? those guys were all on lots of shit before... and he turned gym rats into freaks over and over again.
extreme delusions
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Don't get me wrong, I believe we can all learn from people/sources that prove themselves, but you should NEVER -blindly- follow a single person or source! (other when you hire someone) Guys like Milos, Chad and numerous others had good reputations as well, but they weren't perfect (yes, brutal understatement, LOL). I strongly believe in the principles of "wisdom of the crowd" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds); multiple people know more than one single person. This forum is a great example of this.
i believe in the principle of
"the freakiest bbers of all time were not rocket surgeons"
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i believe in the principle of
"the freakiest bbers of all time were not rocket surgeons"
They had money, good sources and good receptors, that's pretty much it
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They had money, good sources and good receptors, that's pretty much it
and those that didnt have money simply sold their dignity
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and those that didnt have money simply sold their dignity
Yip, yip :-\
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Yip, yip :-\
DO NOT USE RONNIE COLEMAN PHRASES IN THIS CONTEXT
IT IS BLASPHEMY
>:( >:( >:(
RC WAS A HARD WORKING OFFICER OF THA LAW AND HE DIDNT EVEN NEED NO MONEY FOR NO STEROIDS OR NOTTHING HE WAS DRUG FREE EVEN THE SIGN ABOVE METROFLEX ENTRANCE SAID SO
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What's the general thoughts of this guy? since Im officially an enemy of gh15, and since I fucking hate gh15, I suppose that would make me friends with the guy now "in theory"
He claims Im maxed out, burned out, will never be a freak cause I started too young etc but i really dont give a shit about that....what I do want to know is, if if what he says is legit or not. I mean he claimed he was about to fight craig titus and craig backed out like a bitch, and that he writes $1,000 anonymous checks to "Good people" in this industry...
anyone know the guy on a personal level? be curious to hear some REAL opinions on the guy
Like him or not, there is no doubt Titus would have back away, Dante is a BIG boy.
THE BEEF
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LOL, I wasn't even referring to the GOAT, but I love the meltdown :D
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I tried his training for a while. I liked the log book part of it. It's useful.
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The original 'cycles for pennies' article was actually a pretty good one for anyone looking to make big size gains.
it was legendary here maybe 8 years ago.
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Don't get me wrong, I believe we can all learn from people/sources that prove themselves, but you should NEVER -blindly- follow a single person or source! (other when you hire someone) Guys like Milos, Chad and numerous others had good reputations as well, but they weren't perfect (yes, brutal understatement, LOL). I strongly believe in the principles of "wisdom of the crowd" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds); multiple people know more than one single person. This forum is a great example of this.
This, times a million. Gotta listen to everyone and take bits and pieces from it.
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Dante pushes protein powder hard and coincidentally has a supplement company with a primary focus on... protein!
His program is great for building tons of strength. I was benching 3 plates under 170lbs which is great for a REAL LIFE LIFT and not a fake e-stat. I never see kids my size pushing weight like that. Was doing rack deads for 8 reps with 450lbs on the bar and same with squats (all the way down because I was obsessed with being hardcore). I was very, very, very proud of my lifts but got more and more scared of my log book. The nice thing about his program and that you hold yourself accountable. If you cheat and push heavy weights, the next workout you'll pay for it. So you really can't deviate away from things when you're recording the numbers and having to routinely beat them. I honestly liked his program a lot and after following it for a while, my log book thankfully got destroyed in the rain and that's when I stopped.
His program makes a lot of sense but after a while you don't keep gaining mass. Strength doesn't mean mass, it means strength. Pushing heavy weights helps to build mass, but it's not the only pillar to support everything. I think just about anyone could follow a similar program as what he lays out. I tried the different splits and put my own spin on things. I like volume training too, so I'd do some heavy training along with a couple extra exercises to balance things out. I still use things I adopted from his program like the extended rest-pause sets along with some focus on the eccentric phase of lifts. And I also do a big ass volume set which he calls widow makers and he is really pissy about because "no one understands it properly".
He's a bit of an ass and is egocentric. A lot of his principals were adopted from others too, so I don't like how rigorously he protects his program because no one really invented shit in the last few decades. It's all a rehash of something that someone else did a few decades before. But taken ego out of the equation, he's got a good general outline and lots of good ideas. Don't worry about rinsing your beef, crushing a kilogram of protein a day or cutting off carbs at night. That's all hog wash gimmicks because everyone resonates and gets a gushing pussy when someone offers a gimmick. But gimmicks aside, good program to start with and mold into your own. And his gear information was pretty good too. Keep things simple, push weights, eat in alignment with whatever your goal is. That's not Dante's advice, it's just good advice period.
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Smart guy when it comes to health and perspective on life. His comments on whether the drugs and shit are worth it in the long run made me rethink things. His training methods are mentally taxing as fuck after awhile but you can pick some useful things out of his philosophy. He gets more a lot more hate than he deserves.
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I got nothing but respect for Dante. he's represented himself well on boards, is quick to share his knowledge and advise and loves the bodybuilding lifestyle just like the rest of us. imo he's a credit to the online community and and given all that I wouldn't hesitate to use his supps if I didn't have to go thru the pain if going thru customs.
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Like him or not, there is no doubt Titus would have back away, Dante is a BIG boy.
THE BEEF
CT had no issue punching anybody in the mouth.
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ESF you don't know shit. Dante came here and pretty much called craig out, and apparently was the biggest pussy around. Chris cormier was about to give him a whopping and he gets on his knees and begs chris to not kick his ass
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I used to attack people a lot more back in the day, but now that I see what kind of industry it is I realize that you can't get by on honesty. Who's honest in this industry and makes money? No one. You either sell a gimmick or lie about being a natural, which is a bit of a gimmick in and of itself. Ain't no body got any time for the straight truth. It's sad, but true.
I really don't care about him selling congealed beef amino soup mix with glutamines or whatever it is that he's pimping, but a brother's gotta have multiple revenue streams. In business you can't spend too much time caring about how people feel and everybody's feelings. This is a dirty industry and like any other business, what matters is the return on your investment. If suckers wanna buy expensive proteins and green tea extracts from him, I guess they will no matter what. I just hope that people don't make TOO much of an outlandish claim when they hawk their wares. Protein powder works and is okay, but the way he pushes it is much too aggressive. Also the way they don't talk about drugs and say they just inject a thimble of testosterone booster every fortnight is a joke. Drugs are a pivotal component for all of his trainees success. He just can't advertise that fact obviously, I just wish he would skirt the issue a bit more gracefully instead of outright denying it. You can't churn out mass monsters and say they all watched a guy in the gym locker pop a couple dbols one day and then everyone in the gym magically blew up.
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I remember all the hoopla about dante's 'cycle on pennies' back in '02... to most of us who'd been around a while and worked with bbers as trainers/coaches, none of that shit he was saying was new. I had a 40 page thread on rippedmass pointing that out. train hard, stimulate growth, eat and recover. he (over)simplified it for most ppl. "train a muscle 1x/wk and you gain .5mm of muscle... so that's 26mm/year.. train 3x a week, that's 76mm muscle/year" blah blah blah... it's a nice theory to sell and get your name out... easy to market yourself and your products (look at FST7). but it just doesn't work that way.
cycle on pennies? sure. test, tren, and dbol... chicken breasts, protein shakes, rice and oatmeal..... cheap and effective, and appeals to a lot of ppl who were looking for so-called "exotic" drugs (well, exotic back in '02 when they were harder to get.. and more expensive)
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I remember all the hoopla about dante's 'cycle on pennies' back in '02... to most of us who'd been around a while and worked with bbers as trainers/coaches, none of that shit he was saying was new. I had a 40 page thread on rippedmass pointing that out. train hard, stimulate growth, eat and recover. he (over)simplified it for most ppl. "train a muscle 1x/wk and you gain .5mm of muscle... so that's 26mm/year.. train 3x a week, that's 76mm muscle/year" blah blah blah... it's a nice theory to sell and get your name out... easy to market yourself and your products (look at FST7). but it just doesn't work that way.
cycle on pennies? sure. test, tren, and dbol... chicken breasts, protein shakes, rice and oatmeal..... cheap and effective, and appeals to a lot of ppl who were looking for so-called "exotic" drugs (well, exotic back in '02 when they were harder to get.. and more expensive)
It was more of a great discussion than anything. The actual conversation piece was pretty cut and dry, but everyone was enthused and there was a good vibe. Most people there were probably used to the regular gym banter you hear in a locker room that's completely false.
Thank goodness for the internet, because I still hear the craziest shit at the gym and it makes me shake my head. If you've done any level of research, it should almost be hard to be flat out wrong these days. You can download full fucking books and entire studies, as well as ready stickied, dummified threads on a billion forums that should lay it all out. :-\
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ESF you don't know shit. Dante came here and pretty much called craig out, and apparently was the biggest pussy around. Chris cormier was about to give him a whopping and he gets on his knees and begs chris to not kick his ass
getting 'called out' on a bbing message board? ::) these are grown men who've each done time in prison. both hustlers as well. no way would dante risk tussling with CT and he knew CT wouldn't put in the effort to drive down to Temecula just to beat dante's ass. CT was... is a hothead... and wouldn't think twice about doing stupid shit.
I don't know shit? dude, you're a 20yr old broke kid. These are people I've known since you were still watching Blue's Clues.
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It was more of a great discussion than anything. The actual conversation piece was pretty cut and dry, but everyone was enthused and there was a good vibe. Most people there were probably used to the regular gym banter you hear in a locker room that's completely false.
Thank goodness for the internet, because I still hear the craziest shit at the gym and it makes me shake my head. If you've done any level of research, it should almost be hard to be flat out wrong these days. You can download full fucking books and entire studies, as well as ready stickied, dummified threads on a billion forums that should lay it all out. :-\
no shit.. i'm in the gym 11-12hrs a day. the shit you hear is dumbfounding... trying to fight it is like putting out a tire-fire.
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getting 'called out' on a bbing message board? ::) these are grown men who've each done time in prison. both hustlers as well. no way would dante risk tussling with CT and he knew CT wouldn't put in the effort to drive down to Temecula just to beat dante's ass. CT was... is a hothead... and wouldn't think twice about doing stupid shit.
I don't know shit? dude, you're a 20yr old broke kid. These are people I've known since you were still watching Blue's Clues.
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lol cant argue the bold , as I loved blue clues..
so your saying you know dante personally? he told me he never used GH in the 90's, I found this hard to believe considering he was friends with guys like titus, cormier,etc who probably wiped their ass with empty cartridges of humatrope
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lol cant argue the bold , as I loved blue clues..
so your saying you know dante personally? he told me he never used GH in the 90's, I found this hard to believe considering he was friends with guys like titus, cormier,etc who probably wiped their ass with empty cartridges of humatrope
I believe that.
cormier never used much gh.
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Isn't he one of those 400+ grams of protein guys?
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LOL, I wasn't even referring to the GOAT, but I love the meltdown :D
;D
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Dante was unlucky enough to come up against a prime Squadfather at the peak of his 'owning' cycle.
'Doggcrapp' melted a lot..
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dante crapp is full of horse shit and is a fat fuck
ripped off rest pause training
the only good ideas spewing forth are not his own
another powder scammer
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rest pause training
enjoy snappin yo shit up
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All the way big dude, but I wouldn't wanna look like him.
The hate is mostly undeserved though. Conducts himself well wherever he is
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He's a bodybuilding scientist that revealed the secrets of RINSING THE BEEF and drinking olive oil.
The first advanced technique is to remove fat and the other one is to add fat. 8)
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Dante was unlucky enough to come up against a prime Squadfather at the peak of his 'owning' cycle.
'Doggcrapp' melted a lot..
Hard not to when the guy doing the heckling wouldn't do so much as post a clear picture of himself. Remember him taking pictures of himself in the sliding glass door to a trailer? Even then, with most of his body covered up and the remainder looking like total shit, the only people who ran to his defense were the Nasser fans who would've probably sucked the poor man's
Remember, Dave Mirza even started out talking shit to Keith, questioning his lifts' integrity. He was a jackass who caused so many "meltdowns" simply because he posted here something like 50 times daily, if not more.
Personally, I'd be hard-pressed to call anyone on a "meltdown hahahahaha" if I spent dozens of posts egging them on, let alone in the span of a couple of days.
He was a troll, and even though I don't agree with Dante about everything he says, he had a shitload more to offer in terms of training, diet and drugs than I ever saw Sarcmiza post. In fairness, Dave did seem familiar with so-called "iron-game history," but as much shit as he gave people, I truly see no reason to have ever taken him much more seriously than that retard Jenova.
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Dante was unlucky enough to come up against a prime Squadfather at the peak of his 'owning' cycle.
'Doggcrapp' melted a lot..
End of story :D
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i dont know more of dante other than hes a permabulkee swine who eats 900gramms protein a day, so yeah thatll obviously put muscle on anyone.
but what the hell he saying you started to young?when is one supposed to get started if not young?first cycle in their 30s?haha i dont hink so.
maxed out, burnt out.so even if this happens, one year off ebverything to do with this lifestyle and then furious comeback.
youre the right age to build up something good ,all naturaly on creatine enanthate ofcourse.
dante is some fatso who most like;ly is smaller then you if both dieted down.why listen to him about anything other than maybe weather forecast?
He's the ultimate permabulker and his followers have the same mentality. I remember permabulking because Danta always said not to worry about losing your abs, and that only twinks worried about that. I kept bulking and bulking and got more and more afraid to take my shirt off. Sure I looked swole as fuck, but if you can't take your shirt off at any time I don't think you can be called a bodybuilder plain and simple.
I started to realize that because I'm not competing, I should look good all year round. If I'm balls deep in any "off season" I should still have visible abs and look better than any lay person. If a twink is more shredded then it doesn't matter how big you are - you are FAT. Fat with muscle, sure. But you can't see any of it. That's like bragging about having a big bench... 99.9% of people won't give a fuck. It has no intrinsic value, especially if you're a bodybuilder who's vain and looking to have an aesthetic physique. So much about Danta's indoctrination disgusted me, but I can give him credit where it's due. His training program leads to lots of strength gains, some muscle gain (although it has a low ceiling) but I think he takes it WAY too far. Way too much insulin, way too much food and way too much protein. A scaled down version of his training program can be changed around a bit to round things off and it'd be good. But what he advertises is too extreme and too geared towards fatass permabulkers. That's not my cup of tea anymore. I'll never get puffy and fat again.
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still waiting for the flintstone / gh15 beef story
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Hard not to when the guy doing the heckling wouldn't do so much as post a clear picture of himself. Remember him taking pictures of himself in the sliding glass door to a trailer? Even then, with most of his body covered up and the remainder looking like total shit, the only people who ran to his defense were the Nasser fans who would've probably sucked the poor man's
Remember, Dave Mirza even started out talking shit to Keith, questioning his lifts' integrity. He was a jackass who caused so many "meltdowns" simply because he posted here something like 50 times daily, if not more.
Personally, I'd be hard-pressed to call anyone on a "meltdown hahahahaha" if I spent dozens of posts egging them on, let alone in the span of a couple of days.
He was a troll, and even though I don't agree with Dante about everything he says, he had a shitload more to offer in terms of training, diet and drugs than I ever saw Sarcmiza post. In fairness, Dave did seem familiar with so-called "iron-game history," but as much shit as he gave people, I truly see no reason to have ever taken him much more seriously than that retard Jenova.
I think on the Dave vs. Dante situation we have two different memories because I recall Dave being complimentary towards Dante quite often. Dave generally had a lot of respect for the big strong guys like Dante. Of course you can always find little spats here and there but I think he respected Dante for the most part.
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Yes, Dante, the epitome of a healthy individual. ::)
You fucking people are stupid.
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I think on the Dave vs. Dante situation we have two different memories because I recall Dave being complimentary towards Dante quite often. Dave generally had a lot of respect for the big strong guys like Dante. Of course you can always find little spats here and there but I think he respected Dante for the most part.
He was, he even defended Dantecrapp on a number of occasions (particularly as Quaker) but as Sarc he made Dante write thesis length meltdowns and become genuinely hostile towards all of GB.
Dave often ended up befriending the guys he attacked.
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Yes, Dante, the epitome of a healthy individual. ::)
You fucking people are stupid.
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Holy shit he looks bad :o. Nice find.
Hot wife though, even w the fake cans
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Yes, Dante, the epitome of a healthy individual. ::)
You fucking people are stupid.
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Trevor Smithening
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Yes, Dante, the epitome of a healthy individual. ::)
You fucking people are stupid.
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A few more years of abuse and he'll be as busted up as Mickey Rourke.
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Dante always had a problem with whatever I posted for some reason. He also used to think
I had something to do with the gh15 account, which I of course didn't. But even years before gh15
I was always in some argument with him over the same fucking issue. Basically Dante always said he believed anyone and everyone who claimed to be a natural, and when I called BS he had a problem with it, thinking I didn't account for genetic differences (even though I always said genetics were EVERYTHING when it comes to bb success), was jealous or whatever.
Just the other day he had some problem with me saying it was BS that Ramy only trained for 2-3 years and when I said that it was BS that Lockett ever competed natural or that his diet was only Twizzlers and junk food twice daily. Over a decade and I'm still involved in the same pathetic arguments. I have to say I'm a bit ashamed because obviously bodybuilding will always have the same type of bullshitters selling bullshit and it will never change. :'( :D
I can't figure the guy out... does he really believe what he writes? I mean he's not stupid, but at the same time he thinks some guys turn pro all natural (usually because they're black) and so on.
I was always very complimentary regarding the training info though.
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Dante was/is way too sensitive and thin-skinned to handle most message boards. He even lost his cool and started insulting people that were pretty close to sniffing his damn jock...
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Dante always had a problem with whatever I posted for some reason. He also used to think
I had something to do with the gh15 account, which I of course didn't. But even years before gh15
I was always in some argument with him over the same fucking issue. Basically Dante always said he believed anyone and everyone who claimed to be a natural, and when I called BS he had a problem with it, thinking I didn't account for genetic differences (even though I always said genetics were EVERYTHING when it comes to bb success), was jealous or whatever.
Just the other day he had some problem with me saying it was BS that Ramy only trained for 2-3 years and when I said that it was BS that Lockett ever competed natural or that his diet was only Twizzlers and junk food twice daily. Over a decade and I'm still involved in the same pathetic arguments. I have to say I'm a bit ashamed because obviously bodybuilding will always have the same type of bullshitters selling bullshit and it will never change. :'( :D
I can't figure the guy out... does he really believe what he writes? I mean he's not stupid, but at the same time he thinks some guys turn pro all natural (usually because they're black) and so on.
I was always very complimentary regarding the training info though.
I think his problem is that his ego and insecurities are as big as his giant tbumbz noggin. You're right that he's not stupid, but he's very stubborn and sticks by what he says even if it does happen to be stupid. There are a lot of people like that in this industry. Stupid people don't go very far, but dishonest people do.
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Yes, Dante, the epitome of a healthy individual. ::)
You fucking people are stupid.
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What the dude looks like/choices he's made =/= gives bad advice. His advice on health/supps etc overall isn't far fetched by any means.
I also dig some of his advice/tweaks to some exercises.
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I have never understood the hate for this u, although I have belonged to many of the same boards as him over the years and do not recall interacting with him, I never saw him talk back or down to anyone who did not start with him first. If anything for the way a lot of people in this industry act towards anyone who don't lick their balls, he is one of the good guys out there in my opinion. I also admire the fact that he turned whatever lemons he cre4ated for himself back in the day and turned them into lemonade, basically he provides products people want and at a decent price compared to those who charge 3 times the price for the same product because they have to pay for the ads and stupid claims they make with supplements. If anything when it comes to his training theories even he was saying he was not re-inventing the wheel, its all just basic training with a few twists he threw in to maximize size and strength, in which people were asking him what in his experience worked well with those he has worked with. You can debate him all you want, but you cant slam the guy considering he helped a lot of regular guys break plateaus in what they were doing.
BTW one thing I have never understood with some retards in the net is they think that if someone responds strongly to insults towards them they are melting down. I think the melting down and mental issues would be more towards the people who just want a reaction, even though the reactions can be comical at times
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What the dude looks like/choices he's made =/= gives bad advice. His advice on health/supps etc overall isn't far fetched by any means.
I also dig some of his advice/tweaks to some exercises.
::)
Yes because eating gobs of protein to the tune of 300-500 grams of day is a healthy thing to do. ::)
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Yes, dusty handjob developed stage three palumboism from hrt doses and 4 iu a day
Amazing that grow men on pro muscle actually believe this nonsense ..unless the whole thing is one big elaborate troll job?
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Craig Titus is a truly crazy dude. I have met him several times. I don't see him backing down to a fight with Dante.
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We ran him off years ago.
that's the way friends do one another Frankie...
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Dante invented the outer head of the tricep and the patella tendon
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More pics of his wife , please .
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Known Dante for nearly 20 yrs and went through some hard times with the man ........All I can say, is that no pro [ and I have been around many ] trained harder [ when he was trying to gain his size ] , that no one was more solid [character wise ] in my bbing experience , and the guy really is a fun, cool , good human being [ his methods worked very well for me and he trained me before he was doggcrap ]. You don't have to agree with him, or like the look he put together ......But he has always trained for himself and been interested in being massive .........I am really proud of what he has done with himself .....in 11 yrs, he has gone from single broke guy working at home depot [ despite being very educated ] , to having a beautiful family and a multi - millionaire . No one helped the guy .....he built his rep and business by helping people and doing something that he loves ......It is really cool if you think about it and couldn't happen to a better guy .
Also Dante is no pussy ....doesn't claim to be some bad ass .....but he won't back down to anyone ,and that is real talk ......The Titus thing didn't happen ,sorry ...I knew craig ,l [ he wanted me to fuck Kelly, because he wanted to to fuck some chick I was training, and over the yrs for other things gear related ....wink wink :) ....but from what I knew of craig [ he liked to fight when he felt the odds were in his favor, and he did back down to chris for real .....I know them both on several levels ie...gear ..and girls ....tommy wishbone would know way more than I ] Anyway , back then if Craig had issue with Dante ....I would have scrapped with Craig in a sec ......I was young , dumb , and thought I was a bad man [ hence the sarcastic joke screen name ] .......Dante could take care of himself .....but I am always quick to protect my friends .....and I was really stupid and super aggressive . [ pretty retarded actually ...lol]
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Lats I read your posts, one that I find curious....you mentioned that a well known guru has pros take 300-400mg test with 4iu of gh in the offseason and eat lots of clean food. what is the purpose of this?
If your diets right solid gains if its HG and HEALTHY. You need to realize most of the stuff uve bought online is prob snake oil...
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If your diets right solid gains if its HG and HEALTHY. You need to realize most of the stuff uve bought online is prob snake oil...
that's a load of bullshit.
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Dante is a good guy.
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still waiting for the flintstone / gh15 beef story
gh15 shattered flinstones hopes and dreams to a million pieces
he said something like
flinstone kidd,,,,, you are maxed OUT!!!, no amount of hormonas is going to make you advance in bodybuild,,,,you started young and reached your peak long time ago,,,,,,,,,,,poor responder of genetical inferiority,,,,,,,,,24 going on 40,,,,,weak mind equals weak body,,,,,,,,you can play around with water fat and potato resulution camera angles,,,,,,shit is all you'll ever be,,,,,,,
GH15 lion of judaica
,,,,,,dismissed,,,,,,,
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gh15 shattered flinstones hopes and dreams to a million pieces
he said something like
flinstone kidd,,,,, you are maxed OUT!!!, no amount of hormonas is going to make you advance in bodybuild,,,,you started young and reached your peak long time ago,,,,,,,,,,,poor responder of genetical inferiority,,,,,,,,,24 going on 40,,,,,weak mind equals weak body,,,,,,,,you can play around with water fat and potato resulution camera angles,,,,,,shit is all you'll ever be,,,,,,,
GH15 lion of judaica
,,,,,,dismissed,,,,,,,
ahh... well at least he spoke the truth.
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Dude hit the fucking jackpot with his lady :o
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One of the few decent guys in this industry.
Have always preffered putting together my own training rather than blindly following the programs out there but have learned far more from his writings than that of any other and use a lot of his principals.
Genuinley happy for him that he has became a success (beautifull family, thriving buisness ect) one of the few guys who deserves it.
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Is he still alive... or am I mixing things up with Trevor Smith?
He's looking bretty big and the training advice seems somewhat more honest than most of the other stuff out there.
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Dante is still kicking, Trevor is the one that passed. They were similar in build.
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Dude hit the fucking jackpot with his lady :o
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How so? I think she hit the jackpot...She gets the drugs, and overly large implants.
And what does he get? Take off the overly large implants, and you get a regular fitness chick.
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How so? I think she hit the jackpot...She gets the drugs, and overly large implants.
And what does he get? Take off the overly large implants, and you get a regular fitness chick.
damn
parker bringing truth to the ignorant
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damn
parker bringing truth to the ignorant
x2
plus figure chick = "teh crazy"
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THE BUTTSUCKING DRIVEL IN THIS THREAD IS SICKENING
GO GET ANOTHER HERO
DANTECRAPP IS A PHONY FAT ASS
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Dude hit the fucking jackpot with his lady :o
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Thanks ,very nice .
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Known Dante for nearly 20 yrs and went through some hard times with the man ........All I can say, is that no pro [ and I have been around many ] trained harder [ when he was trying to gain his size ] , that no one was more solid [character wise ] in my bbing experience , and the guy really is a fun, cool , good human being [ his methods worked very well for me and he trained me before he was doggcrap ]. You don't have to agree with him, or like the look he put together ......But he has always trained for himself and been interested in being massive .........I am really proud of what he has done with himself .....in 11 yrs, he has gone from single broke guy working at home depot [ despite being very educated ] , to having a beautiful family and a multi - millionaire . No one helped the guy .....he built his rep and business by helping people and doing something that he loves ......It is really cool if you think about it and couldn't happen to a better guy .
Also Dante is no pussy ....doesn't claim to be some bad ass .....but he won't back down to anyone ,and that is real talk ......The Titus thing didn't happen ,sorry ...I knew craig ,l [ he wanted me to fuck Kelly, because he wanted to to fuck some chick I was training, and over the yrs for other things gear related ....wink wink :) ....but from what I knew of craig [ he liked to fight when he felt the odds were in his favor, and he did back down to chris for real .....I know them both on several levels ie...gear ..and girls ....tommy wishbone would know way more than I ] Anyway , back then if Craig had issue with Dante ....I would have scrapped with Craig in a sec ......I was young , dumb , and thought I was a bad man [ hence the sarcastic joke screen name ] .......Dante could take care of himself .....but I am always quick to protect my friends .....and I was really stupid and super aggressive . [ pretty retarded actually ...lol]
Hi Dante
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/2/522cc-eMag_19_Doggcrapp_02.jpg)
Rear 'Kevin Bacon' Lat Spread ;D
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How so? I think she hit the jackpot...She gets the drugs, and overly large implants.
And what does he get? Take off the overly large implants, and you get a regular fitness chick.
Maybe they have a good relationship ? I'm no fan of implants ( just like you) but she is an attractive woman and they seem to be doing pretty good. Some guys have no issue with fake tits. Also remember this isn't a 21 year old chick.
I crack on Dante with the "invented the triceps" routine but I have no issue with him being successful. Guy has to make a living, and he's pretty straight up in his business practices. Compare Dante's pitch to Muscletech's pitch.
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Known Dante for nearly 20 yrs and went through some hard times with the man ........All I can say, is that no pro [ and I have been around many ] trained harder [ when he was trying to gain his size ] , that no one was more solid [character wise ] in my bbing experience , and the guy really is a fun, cool , good human being [ his methods worked very well for me and he trained me before he was doggcrap ]. You don't have to agree with him, or like the look he put together ......But he has always trained for himself and been interested in being massive .........I am really proud of what he has done with himself .....in 11 yrs, he has gone from single broke guy working at home depot [ despite being very educated ] , to having a beautiful family and a multi - millionaire . No one helped the guy .....he built his rep and business by helping people and doing something that he loves ......It is really cool if you think about it and couldn't happen to a better guy .
Also Dante is no pussy ....doesn't claim to be some bad ass .....but he won't back down to anyone ,and that is real talk ......The Titus thing didn't happen ,sorry ...I knew craig ,l [ he wanted me to fuck Kelly, because he wanted to to fuck some chick I was training, and over the yrs for other things gear related ....wink wink :) ....but from what I knew of craig [ he liked to fight when he felt the odds were in his favor, and he did back down to chris for real .....I know them both on several levels ie...gear ..and girls ....tommy wishbone would know way more than I ] Anyway , back then if Craig had issue with Dante ....I would have scrapped with Craig in a sec ......I was young , dumb , and thought I was a bad man [ hence the sarcastic joke screen name ] .......Dante could take care of himself .....but I am always quick to protect my friends .....and I was really stupid and super aggressive . [ pretty retarded actually ...lol]
damn, now here's a name i ain't seen in a decade.
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gh15 shattered flinstones hopes and dreams to a million pieces
he said something like
flinstone kidd,,,,, you are maxed OUT!!!, no amount of hormonas is going to make you advance in bodybuild,,,,you started young and reached your peak long time ago,,,,,,,,,,,poor responder of genetical inferiority,,,,,,,,,24 going on 40,,,,,weak mind equals weak body,,,,,,,,you can play around with water fat and potato resulution camera angles,,,,,,shit is all you'll ever be,,,,,,,
GH15 lion of judaica
,,,,,,dismissed,,,,,,,
BWAHAHHAAAA that is good.
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Maybe they have a good relationship ? I'm no fan of implants ( just like you) but she is an attractive woman and they seem to be doing pretty good. Some guys have no issue with fake tits. Also remember this isn't a 21 year old chick.
Yeah, I remember him saying they met like 15-20 years ago or something and got together off the bat. Wasn't like he met some fitness chick last year. People can try to discredit that all they want, I'd be down. :-\
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/2/522cc-eMag_19_Doggcrapp_02.jpg)
lol@ the insideout underwear.
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still waiting for the flintstone / gh15 beef story
I was banned for being racist. They wanted me to write a letter of apology ::) and I said fuck no I meant what I said. I insulted kigtropin, and gh15 gets his panties in a wad.
ps did I ever fuck your mom or sister? both? lmk
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I was banned for being racist. They wanted me to write a letter of apology ::) and I said fuck no I meant what I said. I insulted kigtropin, and gh15 gets his panties in a wad.
ps did I ever fuck your mom or sister? both? lmk
gh15 really hurt your feelings
broken down like a little bitch
now needs another father figure big poppa top gay to build him up
considering dante
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Maybe they have a good relationship ? I'm no fan of implants ( just like you) but she is an attractive woman and they seem to be doing pretty good. Some guys have no issue with fake tits. Also remember this isn't a 21 year old chick.
I crack on Dante with the "invented the triceps" routine but I have no issue with him being successful. Guy has to make a living, and he's pretty straight up in his business practices. Compare Dante's pitch to Muscletech's pitch.
Quite true...
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Maybe they have a good relationship ? I'm no fan of implants ( just like you) but she is an attractive woman and they seem to be doing pretty good. Some guys have no issue with fake tits. Also remember this isn't a 21 year old chick.
I crack on Dante with the "invented the triceps" routine but I have no issue with him being successful. Guy has to make a living, and he's pretty straight up in his business practices. Compare Dante's pitch to Muscletech's pitch.
dollars to donuts the guys here going all ::) at his woman would crawl hands and knees over broken glass to fuck her if the opportunity presented itself.
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dollars to donuts the guys here going all ::) at his woman would crawl hands and knees over broken glass to fuck her if the opportunity presented itself.
imagery...picture that...
Man with shards of broken glass imbedded in knees and hands, blood everywhere: "Can I?"
Her: "WTF?"
Dude: "Well, can I......" (Passes out due to loss of blood).
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I was banned for being racist. They wanted me to write a letter of apology ::) and I said fuck no I meant what I said. I insulted kigtropin, and gh15 gets his panties in a wad.
ps did I ever fuck your mom or sister? both? lmk
No. Having a car is their minimum standards.
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No. Having a car is their minimum standards.
bought my own car months ago....there was a whole thread on gh15 about it ;D.
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bought my own car months ago....there was a whole thread on gh15 about it ;D.
a monumental accomplishment
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/2/522cc-eMag_19_Doggcrapp_02.jpg)
juruth furiously writing down a storyline to coincide with that pic.
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I have never understood the hate for this u, although I have belonged to many of the same boards as him over the years and do not recall interacting with him, I never saw him talk back or down to anyone who did not start with him first. If anything for the way a lot of people in this industry act towards anyone who don't lick their balls, he is one of the good guys out there in my opinion. I also admire the fact that he turned whatever lemons he cre4ated for himself back in the day and turned them into lemonade, basically he provides products people want and at a decent price compared to those who charge 3 times the price for the same product because they have to pay for the ads and stupid claims they make with supplements. If anything when it comes to his training theories even he was saying he was not re-inventing the wheel, its all just basic training with a few twists he threw in to maximize size and strength, in which people were asking him what in his experience worked well with those he has worked with. You can debate him all you want, but you cant slam the guy considering he helped a lot of regular guys break plateaus in what they were doing.
BTW one thing I have never understood with some retards in the net is they think that if someone responds strongly to insults towards them they are melting down. I think the melting down and mental issues would be more towards the people who just want a reaction, even though the reactions can be comical at times
Great post
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bought my own car months ago....there was a whole thread on gh15 about it ;D.
Congrats. Let me know the make and model so the Messycan at the gate will buzz you in when you come over to pick up my sis.
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Dante pushes protein powder hard and coincidentally has a supplement company with a primary focus on... protein!
Before this said company he was always pushing Protein... specifically Optimum Nutrition's Pro Complex. Nothing else...
I still have that document where he talked about it.
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How many you tried dis program back in da DC heyday? What about the permabulk eating?
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I got fucking raped by it as a clueless 18 year old natty.
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How?
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I thought DC training worked for natties.
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Here is the creator, Dante
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Its pretty brutal, you fight tooth and nail to beat your reps/weight to keep your favourite exercises in.. Gets your strength levels up but is likely to leave you open to injuries...
And I never rinsed no beef...
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Haha, love how the stupid trends come and go
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Has some solid training principles for sure, but like any other program will work better for some than others, for example someone more power fibre dominant who is a poor repper due to this will struggle with beating the reps and especially struggle with the rest pauses often only getting one or two reps on the first rest pause set and struggle with a single on the last and would respond far better to multiple sets of 3 to 5 heavier but not to failure and actually achieve more total reps with a heavier load training like this.
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15 hated this chumps guts right ???
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It's a great and challenging method, not just the rest-pause sets but also the widow maker sets for quads. It's also a well-thought-out protocol that implements things like progressive resistance, the concentric/eccentric/isometric load of the muscle, stretching and the use of de-load weeks.
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It's a great and challenging method, not just the rest-pause sets but also the widow maker sets for quads. It's also a well-thought-out protocol that implements things like progressive resistance, the concentric/eccentric/isometric load of the muscle, stretching and the use of de-load weeks.
yeah but some people over think it all and never really reach their goals..just sayin.
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Once you put enough willpower into any program, results will show.
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Here is the creator, Dante
I can smell him through the computer screen. Do they call it dog crap because of how he looks?
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yeah but some people over think it all and never really reach their goals..just sayin.
Not everyone responds the same, but you will find numerous guys on sites like professionalmuscle who reported great results. There's a lot of common sense when you read Dante's posts, esp his observations of people who make zero progress in the gym.
I can smell him through the computer screen. Do they call it dog crap because of how he looks?
It was his intention to share his views on training & nutrition in one single post, not realizing that he would get a lot of feed back from those who gave it a try.
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I cycle my training methods into three phases per year. The first starting in January is a modified version of this system. But more in line with Phil Hernon's training program.
To be honest, you can really do DC without having a spotter every single workout.
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Not everyone responds the same, but you will find numerous guys on sites like professionalmuscle who reported great results. There's a lot of common sense when you read Dante's posts, esp his observations of people who make zero progress in the gym.
It was his intention to share his views on training & nutrition in one single post, not realizing that he would get a lot of feed back from those who gave it a try.
yes fair one... not saying it won't work. so many ways to train. I agree with local hero though about the injury thing. I use volume but not silly volume like loads of sets/exercises... just till i get the job done. I also use higher reps now in the 12-15 range. sometimes more for legs like 20.
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shocking yourself with a cattle prod after each set, thats gonna make those muscles grow.... ::)
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yes fair one... not saying it won't work. so many ways to train. I agree with local hero though about the injury thing. I use volume but not silly volume like loads of sets/exercises... just till i get the job done. I also use higher reps now in the 12-15 range. sometimes more for legs like 20.
There's always a risk involved and it can take some time before you find the right exercises & weights. I normally avoid the smith machine, but I found out it's great tool for this kind to-failure training. Needless to say, is that some light warm up sets and strict form is key.
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i followed his training pretty closely for a very short time, but two things stuck with me:
1. rest pause sets: still do these fairly regularly, though not every workout.
2. focusing on a small number of exercises. while i always leaned this way, dc pushed me even further in this direction, i'd say.
also, i remember dc used to rant about people who bulked to get big, then after cutting down would shit-talk bulking. regardless of whether bulking is necessary or not, i think these rants were justified. whether or not bulking is necessary for achieving the best physique, many people have tried it and later denounced it for questionable reasons.
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some solid stuff in there.
i don't really believe in set systems for bodybuilding/aesthetics anymore. it's better to try a few things out and then listen to your body, taking from each system what suits you and finding the exercises that work best for you.
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not a single thing to learn from it.
not a single thing to add that will be superior to my 3 sets of 10 training im doing.
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not a single thing to learn from it.
not a single thing to add that will be superior to my 3 sets of 10 training im doing.
Most of your postings are nothing but a bunch of random words, do you realize this?
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I thought this was going to be the discussion
(http://www.billingslawnboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/dog-poop.jpg)
;D
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I thought this was going to be the discussion
(http://www.billingslawnboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/dog-poop.jpg)
;D
would be nice if dogs could be trained to do that, and talk.
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Most of your postings are nothing but a bunch of random words, do you realize this?
not a single post ive ever made is a bunch of random words.
there is absolutely no proof, not a shred of evidence, that doggcrapp would be in any way, shape or form, better than the 3 sets of 10 i'm doing.
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Good way to snap your shit up
Ideology behind it looks promising
Good for beginning naturals
But if PEDs are in play, IMHO, don't do this.
Like Falcon said, anything you put some good focus into will yield results
No one knows specifically how the Type 1 and Type 2 fibers are distributed in their body unless they were biopsied individually........so it would be highly productive to combine high and low rep sets in the same workout
20,15,12,10, and even 6 but never below 6
If you are feeling really good that day...push it a bit....add weight and try an 8 rep set.....beat the volume of the workout that way....will greatly reduce injury risk...and also at the same time, attack the muscle group smarter with the mixed rep scheme.
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Here is the creator, Dante
Ninja done got taste. Red as a tomato and dat suit needs ta tailad!
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not a single post ive ever made is a bunch of random words.
there is absolutely no proof, not a shred of evidence, that doggcrapp would be in any way, shape or form, better than the 3 sets of 10 i'm doing.
The same can be said about performing 3x10. An effective training protocol will always be a personal thing.
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The same can be said about performing 3x10. An effective training protocol will always be a personal thing.
no the same cannot be said.
the proof of the result of 3x10 compared to doggcrapp is night and day. 3x10 is probably the most used protocol in the history of bodybuilding.
works for everybody - people starting out, people who been doing it a long time. how easy it is to set up and use, the less risk of injury etc etc
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no the same cannot be said.
the proof of the result of 3x10 compared to doggcrapp is night and day. 3x10 is probably the most used protocol in the history of bodybuilding.
works for everybody - people starting out, people who been doing it a long time. how easy it is to set up and use, the less risk of injury etc etc
I'm not saying that 3x10 sucks, but where's the scientific paper to back up that dogmatic claim? ::)
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I'm not saying that 3x10 sucks, but where's the scientific paper to back up that dogmatic claim? ::)
"Examining 16 studies Rhea reported that 3-set training produced superior results to 1-set training."
Rhea, MR, Alvar, BA, and Burkett, LN. Single versus multiple sets for strength: a meta-analysis to address the controversy. Res Q Exerc Sport 73: 485–488, 2002.
"He examined 14 studies with 92 effect sizes measured across 30 groups of subjects comparing 1-set, 2-3 sets, and 4-6 sets. He found that 2-3 sets produced 46% greater increases in strength than 1 set in both trained and untrained subjects. Interestingly, he also found no difference in results between 2-3 sets and 4-6 sets. Performing more than 3 sets did not produce a greater increase in strength"
Kreiger JW., Single versus multiple sets of resistance exercise: a meta-regression. J Strength Cond Res. 2009 Sep; 23(6): 1890-901.
"Examining 55 effect sizes across 19 groups in 8 studies he found that multiple sets produced 40% higher increases in muscle hypertrophy regardless of the training status of the subjects or the length of the training program. Kreiger also concluded that the 46% greater increase in strength from multiple sets revealed in his earlier meta-analysis was largely due to greater hypertrophy and not neural factors.
Interestingly, while Kreiger found no significant difference in hypertrophy from 2-3 sets or 4-6 sets he did find a trend for greater hypertrophy with 4 or more sets."
Kreiger JW., Single vs. multiple sets of resistance exercise for muscle hypertrophy: a meta-analysis. J Strength Cond Res. 2010 Apr; 24(4): 1150-9
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"Examining 16 studies Rhea reported that 3-set training produced superior results to 1-set training."
Rhea, MR, Alvar, BA, and Burkett, LN. Single versus multiple sets for strength: a meta-analysis to address the controversy. Res Q Exerc Sport 73: 485–488, 2002.
"He examined 14 studies with 92 effect sizes measured across 30 groups of subjects comparing 1-set, 2-3 sets, and 4-6 sets. He found that 2-3 sets produced 46% greater increases in strength than 1 set in both trained and untrained subjects. Interestingly, he also found no difference in results between 2-3 sets and 4-6 sets. Performing more than 3 sets did not produce a greater increase in strength"
Kreiger JW., Single versus multiple sets of resistance exercise: a meta-regression. J Strength Cond Res. 2009 Sep; 23(6): 1890-901.
"Examining 55 effect sizes across 19 groups in 8 studies he found that multiple sets produced 40% higher increases in muscle hypertrophy regardless of the training status of the subjects or the length of the training program. Kreiger also concluded that the 46% greater increase in strength from multiple sets revealed in his earlier meta-analysis was largely due to greater hypertrophy and not neural factors.
Interestingly, while Kreiger found no significant difference in hypertrophy from 2-3 sets or 4-6 sets he did find a trend for greater hypertrophy with 4 or more sets."
Kreiger JW., Single vs. multiple sets of resistance exercise for muscle hypertrophy: a meta-analysis. J Strength Cond Res. 2010 Apr; 24(4): 1150-9
So 1 generic set equals a rest-pause set or a 2nd widow maker set? ::)
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, since you haven't tried DC yourself.
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Lifting will never be rocket physics. Many simpletons have become fantastic bodybuilders. Many very intelligent trainers really stink at bodybuilding. Yes, more to take into account than just genetic predisposition. There are no facts in lifting. What we have are theories. You can't argue that a theory is a fact. If we had facts we would all be training with the same training protocol.
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Lifting will never be rocket physics. Many simpletons have become fantastic bodybuilders. Many very intelligent trainers really stink at bodybuilding. Yes, more to take into account than just genetic predisposition. There are no facts in lifting. What we have are theories. You can't argue that a theory is a fact. If we had facts we would all be training with the same training protocol.
Wise and true words. What attracted me to Dante's training philosophy was the logic in his reasoning.
http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/fbbuploads/1215471959-DC_Workout_Crib_Notes.pdf
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I agree with a lot of what he says. Correct me if I'm wrong but he is basically saying if you get stronger in relatively low reps and low sets you will get bigger. Truth in that but also truth in that muscular endurance might play a bigger role in muscle size than pure strength. If it's pure strength that makes a muscle bigger why don't we all do our exercises in say sets of four and single reps (4 x 1)? That's a fast way to get stronger. Reference muscular endurance I am not talking about aerobic endurance but rather using my term of muscular endurance. Training with volume will increase muscular endurance and muscle size. The overwhelming majority of successful champs have used this method. Some might point out the failures too but that doesn't negate how many champs have used volume. I think ultimately both are important for muscle size. Getting stronger for low reps and getting stronger for endurance lifting. Guys that are use to lifting heavy for a low amount of sets are often shocked how hard it is to do their exercises for say 5 sets of 12 reps.
One thing is a fact. A work ethic often trumps every other factor except genetic predisposition.
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So 1 generic set equals a rest-pause set or a 2nd widow maker set? ::)
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, since you haven't tried DC yourself.
i havent tried BFT* either. dont need to. ill stick to 3 sets of 10.
* blood-flow-training, 9 sets of 9, standing on your head while eating a banana and drinking russian vodka.
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Cycle for pennies
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I agree with a lot of what he says. Correct me if I'm wrong but he is basically saying if you get stronger in relatively low reps and low sets you will get bigger. Truth in that but also truth in that muscular endurance might play a bigger role in muscle size than pure strength. If it's pure strength that makes a muscle bigger why don't we all do our exercises in say sets of four and single reps (4 x 1)? That's a fast way to get stronger. Reference muscular endurance I am not talking about aerobic endurance but rather using my term of muscular endurance. Training with volume will increase muscular endurance and muscle size. The overwhelming majority of successful champs have used this method. Some might point out the failures too but that doesn't negate how many champs have used volume. I think ultimately both are important for muscle size. Getting stronger for low reps and getting stronger for endurance lifting. Guys that are use to lifting heavy for a low amount of sets are often shocked how hard it is to do their exercises for say 5 sets of 12 reps.
One thing is a fact. A work ethic often trumps every other factor except genetic predisposition.
100% agree with the bold written statement (the rest of your posting as well).
I remember a recent meta-study of Brad Schoenfeld, that shows a relation between volume and the rate of hypertrophy with a near optimal volume of >=9 sets per muscle/week.
Applying both methods (a strength phase and a 'pump' phase) in a periodization scheme might lead to better results on the long term, but keep in mind, not everyone will respond the same.
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100% agree with the bold written statement (the rest of your posting as well).
I remember a recent meta-study of Brad Schoenfeld...
Dat ninja dont even look like he lifts or a bodybuilder! Ninja looks like a DYEL'er! Ninja should stick to da studies and books!
I will say it took me twelve sets for chest every six days to bring dat shit up. I won a natty pro card doin da same shit every other BBer does. But I was curious about DC because I know this was da DC heyday back in da days!
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We ran that guy off years ago.
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We ran that guy off years ago.
I saw dat back in da days when I wasn't a memba here. Ninjas be treatin' dat ninja, and Meadows too, like dey gods or some shit.
Can't front doe. Looks like deez ninjas be making dat chedda at da end of da day!
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Here is the creator, Dante
that is a lot of out season
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Dat ninja dont even look like he lifts or a bodybuilder! Ninja looks like a DYEL'er! Ninja should stick to da studies and books!
I will say it took me twelve sets for chest every six days to bring dat shit up. I won a natty pro card doin da same shit every other BBer does. But I was curious about DC because I know this was da DC heyday back in da days!
This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't need to be muscular to conduct a meta-study.
As I said before, combining a DC with a volume phase might even lead to better gains.
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Ninja done got taste. Red as a tomato and dat suit needs ta tailad!
Where did he get his ninja-training?
Or are you using Ninja instead of Hebrew, Neegull, Nukka, Kneegrowth etc?
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I saw dat back in da days when I wasn't a memba here. Ninjas be treatin' dat ninja, and Meadows too, like dey gods or some shit.
Can't front doe. Looks like deez ninjas be making dat chedda at da end of da day!
Why do you type like a neggar?
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Why do you type like a neggar?
Maybe he is one of the Don Dada-tribe?
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This may come as a surprise to you, but you don't need to be muscular to conduct a meta-study.
As I said before, combining a DC with a volume phase might even lead to better gains.
Any of ya'll do the rinsed beef and olive oil thing?
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Any of ya'll do the rinsed beef and olive oil thing?
Was that a Dante recipe?
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Dat ninja dont even look like he lifts or a bodybuilder! Ninja looks like a DYEL'er! Ninja should stick to da studies and books!
I will say it took me twelve sets for chest every six days to bring dat shit up. I won a natty pro card doin da same shit every other BBer does. But I was curious about DC because I know this was da DC heyday back in da days!
You forgot to say ya feel me homie?
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You forgot to say ya feel me homie?
or "ya no i'm sayin, ma ninja?"
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You forgot to say ya feel me homie?
Ya know what I'm satin'? Are ya followin' me?
Peace to all BB ninjas!
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I can smell him through the computer screen. Do they call it dog crap because of how he looks?
His back looks like it has more boils than the pits of hell...That's a lot of bunk dirty gear running thru those veins...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628289.0;attach=720178;image)
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His back looks like it has more boils than the pits of hell...That's a lot of bunk dirty gear running thru those veins...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628289.0;attach=720178;image)
hes about 70lbs overweight.
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No one of any consequence has used it besides David Henry and he bastardized it.
Find what works best for you never anyone else..........especially a 300 pound fat guy.
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No one of any consequence has used it besides David Henry and he bastardized it.
Find what works best for you never anyone else..........especially a 300 pound fat guy.
That's what's up ma ninja!
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No one of any consequence has used it besides David Henry and he bastardized it.
Find what works best for you never anyone else..........especially a 300 pound fat guy.
Steve cuckhold and his mate that used to post on here( troponin) were big proponents...
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No one of any consequence has used it besides David Henry and he bastardized it.
Find what works best for you never anyone else..........especially a 300 pound fat guy.
Dusty Hanshaw used it, and then abandoned it. Actually it seems everyone who used it, shitcanned it later on.
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Steve cuckhold and his mate that used to post on here( troponin) were big proponents...
Yup,I remember troponin.
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Dusty Hanshaw used it, and then abandoned it. Actually it seems everyone who used it, shitcanned it later on.
Because there is more to life than beating your reps and or weight every single workout, it grinds you down
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DC said if you change it, then it's not DC. He even said if you tack biceps on the chest-shoulders-back-tri workout, then it's no longer DC.
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DC said if you change it, then it's not DC. He even said if you tack biceps on the chest-shoulders-back-tri workout, then it's no longer DC.
so you could copy his entire training system and sell it as your own as long as you add a set of stiff leg dead-lifts to each workout and he couldn't sue?
Nice work DC training.
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Ron Harris used it leading up to the contest he won in Massachusetts.
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His back looks like it has more boils than the pits of hell...That's a lot of bunk dirty gear running thru those veins...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628289.0;attach=720178;image)
nice lats ???
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Ron Harris used it leading up to the contest he won in Massachusetts.
Dusty Handshaw used it for awhile too. Obviously he shitcanned it.
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nice lats ???
If he lost a ton of weight he would have an amazing cobra rear lat, that must be a 42" waist at the least
His website done my nut in, they blindly follow him as if he's the messiah, when he makes his commandments such as 'thou must eat your meat 1st in you meals" or "thou must train biceps before back", if you ask why?, they all jump on you... And the vids they post lifting weights far to heavy, hitching the bar up on deadlifts etc, its all like a cult
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My suspicion as to why Danta didn't compete is because he realized that he wouldn't be a 275 pound behemoth onstage like Jay Cutler. Someone once said he was dieting down and then stopped because when he reached 240 pound he didn't like how he looked.
Ah, nearly all of us who have been on a stage have had that shocking realization for our first contest: we were not as big as we thought we were going to be when dieted down, especially those who went the distance for being shredded to ribbons.
Why didn't Trevor Smith (RIP) compete? I believe for the same reason: permabulkers think they're muscularly bigger than they are.
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My suspicion as to why Danta didn't compete is because he realized that he wouldn't be a 275 pound behemoth onstage like Jay Cutler. Someone once said he was dieting down and then stopped because when he reached 240 pound he didn't like how he looked.
Ah, nearly all of us who have been on a stage have had that shocking realization for our first contest: we were not as big as we thought we were going to be when dieted down, especially those who went the distance for being shredded to ribbons.
Why didn't Trevor Smith (RIP) compete? I believe for the same reason: permabulkers think they're muscularly bigger than they are.
Agree - they used to look like a huge piece of bacon and the high was being some sort of strong "super trucker". Whereas they would have looked "stringy" and sporty after dieting down.
Both great guys nonetheless.
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Agree - they used to look like a huge piece of bacon and the high was being some sort of strong "super trucker". Whereas they would have looked "stringy" and sporty after dieting down.
Both great guys nonetheless.
Yup, they're into that power-trucker look and overeating, thinking that their sheer size--a blend of gross edema from tons of roids, a lot of fat, and muscle--is actually an indication of how much muscle they have. Even implied from his FB posts, Danta in middle age, can't stop with his fixation on his testosterone levels, for which he only takes TRT ;D, supplements, and being the biggest dude in the room at all times. These people have serious problems and want to defy age or can't just give this shit up already despite having never stepped on a stage nor will they.
I just asked if anyone uses this system because I thought (perhaps wrongfully so) that there was a DC heyday on this forum.
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My suspicion as to why Danta didn't compete is because he realized that he wouldn't be a 275 pound behemoth onstage like Jay Cutler. Someone once said he was dieting down and then stopped because when he reached 240 pound he didn't like how he looked.
Ah, nearly all of us who have been on a stage have had that shocking realization for our first contest: we were not as big as we thought we were going to be when dieted down, especially those who went the distance for being shredded to ribbons.
Why didn't Trevor Smith (RIP) compete? I believe for the same reason: permabulkers think they're muscularly bigger than they are.
its so difficult to predict someones onstage weight from their off season, most people dont realise how light you can get if you get anywhere near 5/6%
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Yup, they're into that power-trucker look and overeating, thinking that their sheer size--a blend of gross edema from tons of roids, a lot of fat, and muscle--is actually an indication of how much muscle they have. Even implied from his FB posts, Danta in middle age, can't stop with his fixation on his testosterone levels, for which he only takes TRT ;D, supplements, and being the biggest dude in the room at all times. These people have serious problems and want to defy age or can't just give this shit up already despite having never stepped on a stage nor will they.
I just asked if anyone uses this system because I thought (perhaps wrongfully so) that there was a DC heyday on this forum.
They may suffer from papabearitis - a deadly and highly transmissive disease often encountered in habitats where golden faucets have been installed.
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Dieted down to 5 % BF would cause them to weigh 180 pounds.
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His back looks like it has more boils than the pits of hell...That's a lot of bunk dirty gear running thru those veins...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628289.0;attach=720178;image)
mr snowman, that is a great observation i am sure has had some objects inserted into his "man hole" as well.
p.s he looks like shit
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Because there is more to life than beating your reps and or weight every single workout, it grinds you down
u got that right been there done that in my 20's got injured to
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So true about getting ripped. Most guys would be shocked how much weight they would have to lose from their standard permabulker weight.
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DC training gets you really strong. That's for sure.
Once your log book gets up there, it just becomes overkill. Total CNS destruction. Good for a bit, but you don't grow much after a certain point. You just get retard strength.
Furthermore, Dante is a fat fuck and a scammer. He only has pictures from a decade ago with his shitty t-taper. Skip is also a fucking scam artist. Fuck those idiots.
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So true about getting ripped. Most guys would be shocked how much weight they would have to lose from their standard permabulker weight.
great point not to mention when you bulk up that much and come down its a mother fucker to get cut. and a ton of work. unless you are on a shit load of drugs. if your coming down naturally it is alot of work
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DC training gets you really strong. That's for sure.
Once your log book gets up there, it just becomes overkill. Total CNS destruction. Good for a bit, but you don't grow much after a certain point. You just get retard strength.
Furthermore, Dante is a fat fuck and a scammer. He only has pictures from a decade ago with his shitty t-taper. Skip is also a fucking scam artist. Fuck those idiots.
He never sold his program, so what makes him a scammer?
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He never sold his program, so what makes him a scammer?
This.
I also happen to like Skip. He seems to be a straight shooter and gets the genetically fucked to develop their physiques to their full potential. I'd go as far to say that he's in the top 3 coaches I'd hire if I was serious enough to compete in bodybuilding.
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This.
I also happen to like Skip. He seems to be a straight shooter and gets the genetically fucked to develop their physiques to their full potential. I'd go as far to say that he's in the top 3 coaches I'd hire if I was serious enough to compete in bodybuilding.
Anyone happen to see Skip day to day what he really looks like?
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I once tried it with good results. More user friendly than Mentzers HIT. Volume approaches were never for me.
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This.
I also happen to like Skip. He seems to be a straight shooter and gets the genetically fucked to develop their physiques to their full potential. I'd go as far to say that he's in the top 3 coaches I'd hire if I was serious enough to compete in bodybuilding.
apparently he invented the shitload carb-up day cheat day off diet day skipload
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Sounds like just another excuse to have an eating disorder
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Fore those who thing that Dante is a fat fuck, here's a recent pic
(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18010609_10154411277566053_4452569424744619511_n.jpg?oh=cf05122752edb730528ec68f95afe022&oe=594E8E3C)
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Fore those who thing that Dante is a fat fuck, here's a recent pic
(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18010609_10154411277566053_4452569424744619511_n.jpg?oh=cf05122752edb730528ec68f95afe022&oe=594E8E3C)
He's lost a ton of weight and looks better for it...
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Too bad the guy won't do a show. As fanatical about BB as he is, I think he should.
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My suspicion as to why Danta didn't compete is because he realized that he wouldn't be a 275 pound behemoth onstage like Jay Cutler. Someone once said he was dieting down and then stopped because when he reached 240 pound he didn't like how he looked.
Ah, nearly all of us who have been on a stage have had that shocking realization for our first contest: we were not as big as we thought we were going to be when dieted down, especially those who went the distance for being shredded to ribbons.
Why didn't Trevor Smith (RIP) compete? I believe for the same reason: permabulkers think they're muscularly bigger than they are.
I am kind of getting worried about you man. You are kind of creeping me out. Nobody knows me anymore. I am so 12-15 years ago, people nowadays dont know who I am yet you have made 4-5 posts about me in the last couple months. Like its getting seriously creepy. Nobody gives a crap about me anymore...but you sure seem to do. You obviously follow me around on facebook...and seem to think about me alot.....what is your deal? I am 15 years ago! Even these pictures on this thread are from 2002. Its 2017. I havent had hair on my head since the 2000's. I dont come from the Instagram society, where everyone needs to put up pics to reaffirm themselves that they are ok. Ive been lean as hell, bulked to the gills and all over the place over the last 30 years at different times...Since you dont seem to understand it and you obviously want everyone to only follow what you do and your goals Ill explain it to you.....I wanted to get big from my starting point of 137lbs...I could give a crap what you and everyone elses goals where/are.....I was incredibly skinny and I wanted to do something about it and did.....it is what it is. I achieved every single goal I set out to do in spades. To correct you on what you said above about competing.....the last 2 times I dieted down to compete....(again back in the 2000's) I dieted down from 298 to 256lbs with 3.5 weeks to go and I was ready at that point...and my father called to say he had liver cancer at that point (pulled out). The time after that I believe I was 5 weeks out...sitting in my office...263lbs if i remember right and my work was suffering so badly....I had multiple employees, people who depended on me, and nothing was getting done because I was extremely tired.....and I came to realize this is freaking stupid...I have a highly successful business here and Im chasing a 15 dollar trophy for what? Because others wanted me to compete and I felt "ok yea maybe i should do what everyone expected of me" when in reality I dont care. My love has always been the battle in the gym, I could give 2 clucks about getting onstage in posing trunks. I wasnt satisfied when i was 150, 200, 250, 300 and now even at 253lbs....thats how an individual keeps driven....if I am ever satisfied why even lift to improve?
So again you got a 50 year old man with a family and kids who is very removed from bodybuilding and you keep thinking about him and posting about him....I havent trained ANYONE since 2009....and I am still on your brain.... isnt that kind of weird to you?
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I am kind of getting worried about you man.
honestly... u look like shit, but what I'm curious about is... do u actually have little girl hands? cuz it looks that way in ur pics.
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apparently he invented the shitload carb-up day cheat day off diet day skipload
That's a big no. Carb up days or any variation of it has been going on for decades.
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I am kind of getting worried about you man. You are kind of creeping me out. Nobody knows me anymore. I am so 12-15 years ago, people nowadays dont know who I am yet you have made 4-5 posts about me in the last couple months. Like its getting seriously creepy. Nobody gives a crap about me anymore...but you sure seem to do. You obviously follow me around on facebook...and seem to think about me alot.....what is your deal? I am 15 years ago! Even these pictures on this thread are from 2002. Its 2017. I havent had hair on my head since the 2000's. I dont come from the Instagram society, where everyone needs to put up pics to reaffirm themselves that they are ok. Ive been lean as hell, bulked to the gills and all over the place over the last 30 years at different times...Since you dont seem to understand it and you obviously want everyone to only follow what you do and your goals Ill explain it to you.....I wanted to get big from my starting point of 137lbs...I could give a crap what you and everyone elses goals where/are.....I was incredibly skinny and I wanted to do something about it and did.....it is what it is. I achieved every single goal I set out to do in spades. To correct you on what you said above about competing.....the last 2 times I dieted down to compete....(again back in the 2000's) I dieted down from 298 to 256lbs with 3.5 weeks to go and I was ready at that point...and my father called to say he had liver cancer at that point (pulled out). The time after that I believe I was 5 weeks out...sitting in my office...263lbs if i remember right and my work was suffering so badly....I had multiple employees, people who depended on me, and nothing was getting done because I was extremely tired.....and I came to realize this is freaking stupid...I have a highly successful business here and Im chasing a 15 dollar trophy for what? Because others wanted me to compete and I felt "ok yea maybe i should do what everyone expected of me" when in reality I dont care. My love has always been the battle in the gym, I could give 2 clucks about getting onstage in posing trunks. I wasnt satisfied when i was 150, 200, 250, 300 and now even at 253lbs....thats how an individual keeps driven....if I am ever satisfied why even lift to improve?
So again you got a 50 year old man with a family and kids who is very removed from bodybuilding and you keep thinking about him and posting about him....I havent trained ANYONE since 2009....and I am still on your brain.... isnt that kind of weird to you?
If that's a recent pic of you, you look great.
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Alot of respect lost towards Danta Doggcrapp after he backed out of training Adonis.
You did him wrong on that one.
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Alot of respect lost towards Danta Doggcrapp after he backed out of training Adonis.
You did him wrong on that one.
maybe he kept telling Danta a calorie is just a calorie...
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The legend returns! :o
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so why did 15 hate his fuckng guts so much ???
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so why did 15 hate his fuckng guts so much ???
the shill version probably got banned from dealing at pm muscle.
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What was Gh15's beef with danta and sons then, he had a real hate....
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What was Gh15's beef with danta and sons then, he had a real hate....
Resented that Dante promoted his training system as the optimal way to build muscle. gh15 believed it was only hormones that mattered. Felt DC was lying filth. Nothing to do with his training. Only hormones.
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BTW, can someone explain and describe the "widow maker". DC has made reference to this many
times but I haven't been able to find a description.
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BTW, can someone explain and describe the "widow maker". DC has made reference to this many
times but I haven't been able to find a description.
It was just a relatively heavy high rep set (20 to 30 reps) after the main heavy set to failure, started out in his leg routines e.g. Squats would be one heavy set of 8-12 then after rest a set of 20 +
later it was used to bring up other lagging body parts usually starting with a weight you can do 30 reps with and other a long period increasing weight but fighting to not lose reps eventually ending in the 8-12 rep range after a long period with that exercise
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It was just a relatively heavy high rep set (20 to 30 reps) after the main heavy set to failure, started out in his leg routines e.g. Squats would be one heavy set of 8-12 then after rest a set of 20 +
later it was used to bring up other lagging body parts usually starting with a weight you can do 30 reps with and other a long period increasing weight but fighting to not lose reps eventually ending in the 8-12 rep range after a long period with that exercise
Thanks. BTW, his recent pic isn't coming up for me. Says it's expired. Can anyone repost it?
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It was just a relatively heavy high rep set (20 to 30 reps) after the main heavy set to failure, started out in his leg routines e.g. Squats would be one heavy set of 8-12 then after rest a set of 20 +
later it was used to bring up other lagging body parts usually starting with a weight you can do 30 reps with and other a long period increasing weight but fighting to not lose reps eventually ending in the 8-12 rep range after a long period with that exercise
I've always done similar with squats.... as many reps as possible, with a weight i would typically get 8ish reps with, for my final set...these become 15-20 reps sets with breathing in between grinding the last few out.....can last a min or two...
These would make Oscar Pristoriuos' legs grow!
It's just variations on prog overload at the end of the day, and that works, always has always will. I think the most pertinent thing to take from DC Training is to log and better yourself each time out.
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I have used some of DC principles with great success.
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What are you up to these days, Dante? Have your thoughts on diet, training, and drugs changed since the DC days?
Your ideas influenced me a lot at one time.
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What are you up to these days, Dante? Have your thoughts on diet, training, and drugs changed since the DC days?
Your ideas influenced me a lot at one time.
Good questions, I would like to know that as well