Dante's Doggcrapp Training - unique and effective?

[natural al]

When you refer to an "extreme" stretch, I'm assuming you mean a "ballistic" stretch? Sorry I didn't read the entire thread.

extreme stretching is basically fascia stretching techniques that dante describes in the original dog log....there are detailed descriptions over at IM...I know how to do em but I think something would be lost in the translation if I typed it out.

[DOGGCRAPP]

Really Matt?

There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years

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[alexxx]

Really Matt?

There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years

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[davidpaul]

Really Matt?

There are roughly 400 pros. How many other pro's have you seen in the last 3 years put 40lbs of muscle tissue onto their stage weights? Dave won his pro card at 163 and competed last year at 204 (his true stage weight after the weigh in...Dave has a unique carb load in which he junkfood loads "known as Skiploading" starting at 6-7pm the night before a show)......I got him up to 228 at 5'5" 3/4 offseason last year and this year we are trying hard for 242lbs offseason and a whole new step up in muscle mass. So please feel free to list me the pro's that have gained 40lbs along with Dave on their stage weights the last couple years

(this should be good)

So by eating more (protein), and doing "weight training", aswell as using anabolics steroids (along with other substances such as gh/slin etc etc) he is getting bigger?

[pobrecito]

there is WAY to much emphasis put on training in bodybuilding. You see how Coleman trains? he doesn't fuck around...

[davidpaul]

ok, I stopped reading when you said Dave Henry was 5'5" and 3/4. 

isn't he like 4'10?!?!?!?!?!

[alexxx]

isn't he like 4'10?!?!?!?!?!

That sounds more accurate.

[Bluto]

I find the line "shawn dwarfing" funny, I don't know why 

[DOGGCRAPP]

So if Im talking on the phone with Dave and he tells me "he is 5'5" and change" because he actually got measured for something (military, suit and jacket, something I cant remember).....Im supposed to believe some guy named MattC on the net who doesnt know Dave from adam and is going by pictures than the ACTUAL person himself? I told Dave "hell people say you should tell everyone your 5'6" so your the same height as Dexter" and he said he really didnt care, he was measured at a shade under 5'6" and he has nothing to hide. Case closed

[davidpaul]

So if Im talking on the phone with Dave and he tells me "he is 5'5" and change" because he actually got measured for something (military, suit and jacket, something I cant remember).....Im supposed to believe some guy named MattC on the net who doesnt know Dave from adam and is going by pictures than the ACTUAL person himself? I told Dave "hell people say you should tell everyone your 5'6" so your the same height as Dexter" and he said he really didnt care, he was measured at a shade under 5'6" and he has nothing to hide. Case closed

Matt C has a great knowledge on the subject of human height, He is actually a leading person in this field, and not just some "guy off the net".

[alexxx]

I'm 5'10. 

hahaha midget!

[Blockhead]

 All of you HOLES got it wrong...Dave Henry didnt put that kind of muscle on(40lbs) becuse of a particular training method...or the use of anabolics, gh, slin or whatever...no no no...

 He uses MuscleTech supplements you big sillys! When you use research approved and scientifically formulated products like Anatorp70, Leukic and Gacik and NitroTech...then it's a wonder why he didnt gain 70lbs of muscle.

 You can clearly see Jeremy freeman gained 50lbs using MuscleTech products.

 You people got to wake up and smell the cell-tech...whats wrong with all of you?

[natural al]

Correct. 

And as I proved above, people like about their height.    I am in fact 5'9. 

5'5 I could possibly believe about Dave Henry, but 5'6 seems too high.  He is shorter than Lee Priest in pictures.  I know the angle of this picture works to Lee's favour, but he is taller than Dave for sure:



Not everyone can be 6'4 and 1/16th. 

not everyone lies about thier height....I'm short..I know it, it ain't gonna change..I've always been short.  I make fun of it more than anything else..I'm about 5'7 or 5'8, don't know since I have not checked in years..all I know is it sucks to have to climb to reach stuff on the top shelf at meijers..major bummer.

[alexxx]

Dante - what does training have to do with putting on mass? 

That comes down to nutrition more than anything.  Now if Dave is on a nutrition program you made, that can get some credit.

Stop training and start eating and come back to us with the results.

[natural al]

Stop training and start eating and come back to us with the results.

alexxx that was actually a "smart" comment.

[alexxx]

alexxx that was actually a "smart" comment.

Feels nice to hear that for a change!

[natural al]

the way I understand it is dante does a personal diet for all of his clients..I could be wrong but I think that he stated this in another thead...same thread whre he comfirmed that Adonis begged Dante to train him and since dante turned him down adonis has had a grudge.

[alexxx]

the way I understand it is dante does a personal diet for all of his clients..I could be wrong but I think that he stated this in another thead...same thread whre he comfirmed that Adonis begged Dante to train him and since dante turned him down adonis has had a grudge.

This one

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=81335.msg1164747#msg1164747

[Palpatine Q]

All of you HOLES got it wrong...Dave Henry didnt put that kind of muscle on(40lbs) becuse of a particular training method...or the use of anabolics, gh, slin or whatever...no no no...

 He uses MuscleTech supplements you big sillys! When you use research approved and scientifically formulated products like Anatorp70, Leukic and Gacik and NitroTech...then it's a wonder why he didnt gain 70lbs of muscle.

 You can clearly see Jeremy freeman gained 50lbs using MuscleTech products.

 You people got to wake up and smell the cell-tech...whats wrong with all of you?

All you have to do is walk into a GNC and you add 20 lbs. to your bench.

[alexxx]

Look at it this way:

If you train perfectly but eat poorly or eat perfectly and train poorly where will you make the most gains?

If you train perfectly, but eat poorly (in a calorie deficit) you will not gain anything.  If you eat perfectly, you can train like a koala bear and you will still make decent gains.  Muscle building is a matter of putting your body in a state where you take in more calories (and more of the right calories) than you burn.  There is a lot less "give" possible when it comes to slacking off on nutrition.  You need food and training to grow, but you can't do DC training for three years and eat below the amount you burn and gain ANYTHING.  On the other hand, if you eat above and beyond your caloric needs and do circuit training exercises (pushups, chinups, dips), you will gain, providing you haven't already reached a peak or anything like that.

And natural al - 5'7 or 5'8 is not short, it is just not tall.

What are you babling about? You said you don't need to do any training to grow.. well.. prove us wrong.

[natural al]

This one

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=81335.msg1164747#msg1164747

thanks...massive scourned lover syndrome by TA.

[natural al]

Look at it this way:

If you train perfectly but eat poorly or eat perfectly and train poorly where will you make the most gains?

If you train perfectly, but eat poorly (in a calorie deficit) you will not gain anything.  If you eat perfectly, you can train like a koala bear and you will still make decent gains.  Muscle building is a matter of putting your body in a state where you take in more calories (and more of the right calories) than you burn.  There is a lot less "give" possible when it comes to slacking off on nutrition.  You need food and training to grow, but you can't do DC training for three years and eat below the amount you burn and gain ANYTHING.  On the other hand, if you eat above and beyond your caloric needs and do circuit training exercises (pushups, chinups, dips), you will gain, providing you haven't already reached a peak or anything like that.

And natural al - 5'7 or 5'8 is not short, it is just not tall.

well if you take ten of my friends...I'm the shortest..I'm the 2nd shortest guy at work..the shortest guy is asian, my wife's family is all tall except her..all the guys are at least 6 foot.  My brother is taller than me, my cousins...trust me, I'm short.

What is this bizzaro land?  I'm trying to prove that I'm short?  What has this board come to?

[alexxx]

Well I didn't mean that so let me rephrase:

It's not that you need no training, but the basics will do it.

If Dave Henry kept the same diet and juice program and then changed to DC training and put on 40 pounds, it would be testament to the effectiveness of DC.  However, in all probability he changed his diet and changed his juice program, so there are too many confounding variables to conclude that DC training is effective.

Why don't you take it up and make you're own conclusions.. but there is a kicker.. you actually gotta follow it to the letter.

[natural al]

Well I didn't mean that so let me rephrase:

It's not that you need no training, but the basics will do it.

If Dave Henry kept the same diet and juice program and then changed to DC training and put on 40 pounds, it would be testament to the effectiveness of DC.  However, in all probability he changed his diet and changed his juice program, so there are too many confounding variables to conclude that DC training is effective.

There are also too many variables to say that it's not effective.  I think it is.  Is it the best thing since sliced bread?  Don't know.  What I do know is that I've gotten pretty strong off of it, I'm in decent shape and it's a very convienient way to train when you don't have alot of time.

[natural al]

Yeah, true.  It might help me get over a plateau.

Still - too many variables for the Dave Henry example to mean anything!  He obviously started dabbling in more gear at the same time he took up DC training.

If you train hard and eat right you will grow.  The only "trick" is being consistent (easier said than done).

I agree witht he consistancy thing. 

One thing you have to understand when doing DC training and this is very hard to explain..you have to be ready to go to failure.  It's a learned process.  I "thought" I was training to failure 10 years ago but now I realize that I was not..it's kinda hard to explain and I'm not saying that you don't know how to go to failure but sometimes a newbie won't get as much out of the program and this is the reason.  Intensity is learned, it's not given.