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What would you do?
I visited his YouTube channel this past Saturday and, with watery eyes I was watching how he keeps posting his 20 plus year famous clips squatting and deadlifting super heavy ass weight
And then "lifting". (more like swinging weights) damaging what's left to his nerves and shrinking his now Clarida like torso while his limbs look more like hemps......
I'm wondering what's the future of his channel/legacy? I'm now doubting he is accepting is all over "...
Yes with 8 sandows he is the GOAT ........but ....
What would you do now if you were King Ronnie?
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHh nuthing' but a XMAS
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I like Ronnie. He is the best. There will never be another. But he needs to let go. I understand that he is doing it because it's his love and it's all he really knows. But if he has to do it, do it in private. It's like the 30 year old that peaked in high school and can't stop reliving his high school football glory days at every single social event he goes to.
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I would enjoy my money. Sleep in everyday, eat very well, take naps, in the middle of the day, walks in the mountains, shit like that
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I would enjoy my money. Sleep in everyday, eat very well, take naps, in the middle of the day, walks in the mountains, shit like that
For the win
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I would enjoy my money. Sleep in everyday, eat very well, take naps, in the middle of the day, walks in the mountains, shit like that
Lol.
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For the win
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That feeling from waking up from extra naps, feeling like a trillion dollars.
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I would juice my brains out until I dropped dead. Unless you are addicted to being big and jacked you won’t get it. There is no other way to live. Go till your dead, nothing matters anyways so who cares.
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I would juice my brains out until I dropped dead. Unless you are addicted to being big and jacked you won’t get it. There is no other way to live. Go till your dead, nothing matters anyways so who cares.
Eating top quality food and taking lots of naps is a close second to the thrill of watching your body transform. I'm going to take a nap right now.
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Lol.
Yes, I know what I did there. But honestly he would have been walking if he just quit free weights after retiring from the pro stage. He could have done some reasonable machine work to stay in shape
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Yes, I know what I did there. But honestly he would have been walking if he just quit free weights after retiring from the pro stage. He could have done some reasonable machine work to stay in shape
He can still do that (ride on the mountains) on his powered wheelchair.
WOOOOssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhH H
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ronnie is a retard pure and simple who got blessed with great genetics here are some ronnie facts
addicted to opiods
only mr olympia who managed to crippled himself from lifting like a retard
father 20 kids and raised none of them.
got arrested for impersonating a police officer
now has to crawl onto stages in india and beg people to buy his supplements so he can keep the mortgage paid
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I would enjoy my money. Sleep in everyday, eat very well, take naps, in the middle of the day, walks in the mountains, shit like that
he cant even make it across the living room
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He can still do that (ride on the mountains) on his powered wheelchair.
WOOOOssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhH H
Definitely. If he stops destroying himself right now, there is still a lot of stuff he could do
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Have The Unbelievable and The Cost Of Redemption dvds on loop while enjoying life's little pleasures
(https://i.postimg.cc/PJ22qVQs/ezgif-4f2fcff47f98c512.gif)
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he cant even make it across the living room
Joswift would it surprise you if Ronnie’s white wife cheats on him with his homies spooky and cheese cause his dick don’t work anymore from the years of steroid and painkiller abuse
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At a certain point he said there is no turning back.
When he makes statements that he would go back and lift more it locks him further into his mental illness.
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Joswift would it surprise you if Ronnie’s white wife cheats on him with his homies spooky and cheese cause his dick don’t work anymore from the years of steroid and painkiller abuse
she insisted he bought a house with stairs , he cant even go upstairs anymore
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she insisted he bought a house with stairs , he cant even go upstairs anymore
Ha ha I bet she leaves his crippled ass on the floor and the dogs take turns farting g in his face
She probably has spooky and cheese come over after he passes out watching his old workout videos
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ronnie is a retard pure and simple who got blessed with great genetics here are some ronnie facts
addicted to opiods
only mr olympia who managed to crippled himself from lifting like a retard
father 20 kids and raised none of them.
got arrested for impersonating a police officer
now has to crawl onto stages in india and beg people to buy his supplements so he can keep the mortgage paid
The guys an idiot plain and simple, compared to someone like Jay, Shawn, Dorian who were meticulous in their training, nutrition, gear usage, knew what they were putting in their bodies
Ronnie didn’t know shit, he was just doing as told, big fucking moron. Human experiment, knew nothing about diet, gear, nothing. A guru guided him 100 percent and he still didn’t know what he was putting in his body
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The guys an idiot plain and simple, compared to someone like Jay, Shawn, Dorian who were meticulous in their training, nutrition, gear usage, knew what they were putting in their bodies
Ronnie didn’t know shit, he was just doing as told, big fucking moron. Human experiment, knew nothing about diet, gear, nothing. A guru guided him 100 percent and he still didn’t know what he was putting in his body
I think he was only putting muscles in his body, with protein.
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The guys an idiot plain and simple, compared to someone like Jay, Shawn, Dorian who were meticulous in their training, nutrition, gear usage, knew what they were putting in their bodies
Ronnie didn’t know shit, he was just doing as told, big fucking moron. Human experiment, knew nothing about diet, gear, nothing. A guru guided him 100 percent and he still didn’t know what he was putting in his body
Bevo Ronnie is so dumb he didn’t know your supposed to pull out before you cum that’s why he has 20 kids
I love seeing him crawl on stage in India he looks like a chocolate 🍫 jobba the hut
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I think Ronnie should live his life how he wants, to the best of his abilities.
I'm pressuming he has enough money to get by on & have a good standard
of living.
Good luck to him.
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Ronnie should see a shrink, but I'm afraid he is beyond repair.
The best?
No bodybuilder with such a gut can ever be called "the best" or "the greatest"
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSr98rcfponNW5FYIpv7ApJfpEhtsOJilzwjA&s)
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Pro-Bodybuilders-Bubble-Gut.jpg)
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Ronnie Coleman as natural:
(https://preview.redd.it/4xw65f70xoh61.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34ed75e962be382567b09c539732666a57e4a91f)
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I would juice my brains out until I dropped dead. Unless you are addicted to being big and jacked you won’t get it. There is no other way to live. Go till your dead, nothing matters anyways so who cares.
I agree. Ronnie should link up with Chad and get back on an Olympia protocol. I also agree with OSF, he is a retard, pure and simple.
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Ronnie Coleman as natural:
(https://preview.redd.it/4xw65f70xoh61.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34ed75e962be382567b09c539732666a57e4a91f)
I find that hard to believe, but anything is possible.
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I find that hard to believe, but anything is possible.
That's what he claimed at least.
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That's what he claimed at least.
It's possible considering he did 2x from there. Crazy genes
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It's possible considering he did 2x from there. Crazy genes
https://ffmicalculator.org/
put his stats in there that will give you an idea
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I think Ronnie should live his life how he wants, to the best of his abilities.
I'm pressuming he has enough money to get by on & have a good standard
of living.
Good luck to him.
Doing what he wants, and he wants to go to the gym... at this point the gym is no longer his friend"
- Shawn Ray
WoooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHhhh h
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Ronnie Coleman as natural:
(https://preview.redd.it/4xw65f70xoh61.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34ed75e962be382567b09c539732666a57e4a91f)
The extremely heavy training ruined his back, hips etc, but it's the growth hormones and other PEDs (different than the seventies builders used) that ruined his physique.
Although he was able to lift that insanely heavy because of his drug use.
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2026 and the question remains ...
Seriously , looks like his torso is going to snap in two any minute......
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH S A D
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2026 and the question remains ...
Seriously , looks like his torso is going to snap in two any minute......
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH S A D
reminds me of the end of "the pledge" with Nicholson sat in the desert totally gone with dementia
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What would you do?
I visited his YouTube channel this past Saturday and, with watery eyes I was watching how he keeps posting his 20 plus year famous clips squatting and deadlifting super heavy ass weight
And then "lifting". (more like swinging weights) damaging what's left to his nerves and shrinking his now Clarida like torso while his limbs look more like hemps......
I'm wondering what's the future of his channel/legacy? I'm now doubting he is accepting is all over "...
Yes with 8 sandows he is the GOAT ........but ....
What would you do now if you were King Ronnie?
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHh nuthing' but a XMAS
Pet shop even worst Ronnie dick has t worked in years
Because of the steroid and opiad abuse
He white gf pegs him in the ass and fucks his honeys spooky 👻 and cheese 🧀
Ronnie has to sleep In the living room floor every night cause he can’t walk
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Regret my actions intensely, pray and try to salvage what is left
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Ronnie Coleman as natural:
(https://preview.redd.it/4xw65f70xoh61.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34ed75e962be382567b09c539732666a57e4a91f)
Natural to bodybuilders mean low dosage, only thing Ronnie did different from 1991 to 1998 was upping the dosages on everything and doing what the chad told him. His training wasn’t any different, food intake likely up too, but it’s the same ole chicken breasts, steak , he been eating
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Ronnie Coleman as natural:
(https://preview.redd.it/4xw65f70xoh61.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=34ed75e962be382567b09c539732666a57e4a91f)
His skin looks light there. He probably also used tanning lotions later on. He also looks less primitive facially compared to later years.
Great build for a natural — if that's true.
Compare that to a dark skin:
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Meet The World Most Darkest Woman
Nyakim Gatwech, an American model of South Sudanese descent, has caught global attention for her stunning and unconventional beauty. According to several websites, this 27-year-old model, also known as "Queen of the Dark" is worth $4 million for her "beautiful dark skin tone".
https://www.boomplay.com/buzz/2599650
(https://source.boomplaymusic.com/buzzgroup1/M00/22/5D/rBEeLGFZw32AF5qTAAGNe11RAME03.webp)
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Natural to bodybuilders mean low dosage, only thing Ronnie did different from 1991 to 1998 was upping the dosages on everything and doing what the chad told him. His training wasn’t any different, food intake likely up too, but it’s the same ole chicken breasts, steak , he been eating
This.
Those who think Ronnie with 20 plus inch arms ,lean was natural is because they have never been to a real natural bodybuilding show.
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHH nuthing but a peanut
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When I was a kid growing up in the hood,we called this "blue black' !! ; d
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The more I watch this current version of King Ronnie the more I can't believe my eyes ....
From a 5'11 genetic freak to a 5'6" don't know what ...
He will die doing what he loves" and he is working hard to achieve it soon :'(
WOoooSSSHHHHHHHHHH
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(https://source.boomplaymusic.com/buzzgroup1/M00/22/5D/rBEeLGFZw32AF5qTAAGNe11RAME03.webp)
When I was a kid growing up in the hood,we called this "blue black' !! ; d
Racist and proud of it.
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The more I watch this current version of King Ronnie the more I can't believe my eyes ....
From a 5'11 genetic freak to a 5'6" don't know what ...
He will die doing what he loves" and is working hard to achieve it
WOoooSSSHHHHHHHHHH
Pet shop do you think Ronnie even realizes he is a crippled retard
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I agree. Ronnie should link up with Chad and get back on an Olympia protocol. I also agree with OSF, he is a retard, pure and simple.
Saw him at an event a few months ago at gym. I was training at the gym. I was not in line for memorabilia. Lol
He rode in on his scooter
The Sat and signed memorabilia got up for every picture
He did have a full time nurse with him
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The whole notion of “at least he loves what he does and has no regrets” is stupid
He could have done what he loves and still been a functional human being, he’s a moron , plain and simple
Look at him now, quality of life been shit for over a decade+ , 5’7 these days, and a body that looks like a mad scientist developed in a lab, throwing mismatched parts all together resembling a fucked up Frankenstein with disproportionate large torso, tiny arms, big GH gorilla hands, big ass dome head, legs worse than a 94 yr old senior citizen
The only other ex pro looking like a human experiment is Rich Gaspari but at least he can walk around and a bit “normal”
Many other O winners are ok, Haney, Dorian, Jay, Dexter, Arnold, Phil , etc….
Ronnie just has low IQ
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The guys an idiot plain and simple, compared to someone like Jay, Shawn, Dorian who were meticulous in their training, nutrition, gear usage, knew what they were putting in their bodies
Ronnie didn’t know shit, he was just doing as told, big fucking moron. Human experiment, knew nothing about diet, gear, nothing. A guru guided him 100 percent and he still didn’t know what he was putting in his body
I think he was only putting muscles in his body, with protein.
I bet you Ronnie wouldn't know how much protein he was eating. If asked, he would say he ate so and so many ounces of protein per meal. Because coaches like Chad say eat 10 ounces per meal for example, meaning 10 ounces of meat. It's most likely the same with gear, he might know the number of CCs, not the milligrams. Ronnie wouldn't be the only one either, most good bodybuilders are almost totally uninterested in the technicalities. I remember when Lee Priest came onto the scene he said he couldn't tolerate any testosterone because his body was already producing so much, so no use taking any extra anyway. So he went to the anabolics instead. I've seen him still say similar things. It's true of other sports as well, the coach is the nerd and the athlete doesn't care to know about programming or diet or gear or anything, they just execute. Of course there are exceptions like Dorian.
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Coleman in 1990, claims he was natural till 1995/1996.
(https://thebarbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Ronnie-Coleman-1990.jpg)
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Coleman in 1990, claims he was natural till 1995/1996.
(https://thebarbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Ronnie-Coleman-1990.jpg)
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I bet you Ronnie wouldn't know how much protein he was eating. If asked, he would say he ate so and so many ounces of protein per meal. Because coaches like Chad say eat 10 ounces per meal for example, meaning 10 ounces of meat. It's most likely the same with gear, he might know the number of CCs, not the milligrams. Ronnie wouldn't be the only one either, most good bodybuilders are almost totally uninterested in the technicalities. I remember when Lee Priest came onto the scene he said he couldn't tolerate any testosterone because his body was already producing so much, so no use taking any extra anyway. So he went to the anabolics instead. I've seen him still say similar things. It's true of other sports as well, the coach is the nerd and the athlete doesn't care to know about programming or diet or gear or anything, they just execute. Of course there are exceptions like Dorian.
guy was a midget, why was the high test not making him grow?
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Is it true his spine surgery was botched at one point and that's why he can't walk?
The only other Ronnie legend I read about once was at an event and Ronnie had a table set up in the hall to sell videos and autographs. And he had a banana on his table. Well, a fan met Ronnie and supposedly touched or made contact with this banana. And Ronnie's security goon reprimanded this fan and told him "Don't touch the champ's banana!"
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Is it true his spine surgery was botched at one point and that's why he can't walk?
The only other Ronnie legend I read about once was at an event and Ronnie had a table set up in the hall to sell videos and autographs. And he had a banana on his table. Well, a fan met Ronnie and supposedly touched or made contact with this banana. And Ronnie's security goon reprimanded this fan and told him "Don't touch the champ's banana!"
I think he misheard him...
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I saw Coleman earlier this month at the Los Angeles Fit Expo. He had a booth, was sitting there, greeting fans, signing autographs, and doing photos albeit all with him sitting. He appeared to be in very good spirits.
To me, it is almost painful to see him in his current condition; his motorized wheelchair, his thin legs or arms taped up (I assume to prevent swelling). It's like one of those "you could never ever believe what this man used to look like compared to what he looks like today."
As for what I would do if I were him, I don't know. I might go away and hide forever so that no one would ever see what I look like today. Or, I might do exactly what he does: get out and interact with the fans and provide each a moment of enjoyment. And perhaps it provides him a lot of enjoyment as well.
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Is it true his spine surgery was botched at one point and that's why he can't walk?
The only other Ronnie legend I read about once was at an event and Ronnie had a table set up in the hall to sell videos and autographs. And he had a banana on his table. Well, a fan met Ronnie and supposedly touched or made contact with this banana. And Ronnie's security goon reprimanded this fan and told him "Don't touch the champ's banana!"
Shawn Ray said Ronnie neglected the doctors order and decided to work out anyways despite letting his back recover and broke the screws from his back
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Ronnie is in constant pain and can barely walk. How much can he really get out of life?
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Ronnie is in constant pain and can barely walk. How much can he really get out of life?
He takes a lot of painkillers so that leaves him with only the walking problem.
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He takes a lot of painkillers so that leaves him with only the walking problem.
Good post as walking is over rated anyway!!
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Good post as walking is over rated anyway!!
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I'm just keeping it real, no need to paint him as a warrior enduring great pains. Drugged out of his mind
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The guys an idiot plain and simple, compared to someone like Jay, Shawn, Dorian who were meticulous in their training, nutrition, gear usage, knew what they were putting in their bodies
Ronnie didn’t know shit, he was just doing as told, big fucking moron. Human experiment, knew nothing about diet, gear, nothing. A guru guided him 100 percent and he still didn’t know what he was putting in his body
How was Ronnie not meticulous with his nutrition or training? His diet was similar to all the other bodybuilders you mentioned. The lone difference may be VOLUME. Ronnie didn't eat just 2 or 3 chicken breasts. The ENTIRE surface area of his place was covered in chicken (tenderloins, from all appearances). He had one separate plate for meat and another for his carbs.
BTW, Jay Cutler had TWO nutritionists throughout his career: Hany Rambod and Chris Aceto. Does that make Jay DUMB? Was Jay "just doing as told" or a "big f-----g moron"?
And knowing nothing about training? You can't be serious!! This man is repping with weights that are maxes for most IFBB pros. Try 200-lb dumbbell presses with near perfect form....THAT'S A SHAWN RAY IN EACH HAND!! ;D
Being DUMB is knowing you need help but not getting it. Ronnie Coleman was anything but that. One could argue that Shawn Ray was "DUMB", because he was told how he needed to improve but didn't do it until it was too late. Had he competed at 210 or so in the early 90s, instead of waiting until the late 90s and 2000s to do so), he would have beaten Yates (especially in 1994 when Yates looked relatively awful) for a Sandow.
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How was Ronnie not meticulous with his nutrition or training? His diet was similar to all the other bodybuilders you mentioned. The lone difference may be VOLUME. Ronnie didn't 2 or 3 chicken breasts. The ENTIRE surface area of his place was covered in chicken (tenderloins, from all appearances). He had one separate plate for meat and another for his carbs.
BTW, Jay Cutler had TWO nutritionists throughout his career: Hany Rambod and Chris Aceto. Does that make Jay DUMB? Was Jay "just doing as told" or a "big f-----g moron"?
And knowing nothing about training? You can't be serious!! This man is repping with weights that are maxes for most IFBB pros. Try 200-lb dumbbell presses with near perfect form....THAT'S A SHAWN RAY IN EACH HAND!! ;D
Being DUMB is knowing you need help but not getting it. Ronnie Coleman was anything but that. One could argue that Shawn Ray wasn't "DUMB", because he was told how he needed to improve but didn't do it until it was too late. Had he competed at 210 or so in the early 90s, instead of waiting until the late 90s and 2000s to do so), he would have beaten Yates (especially in 1994 when Yates looked relatively awful) for a Sandow.
Good post 👍🏻👊🏻
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How was Ronnie not meticulous with his nutrition or training? His diet was similar to all the other bodybuilders you mentioned. The lone difference may be VOLUME. Ronnie didn't eat just 2 or 3 chicken breasts. The ENTIRE surface area of his place was covered in chicken (tenderloins, from all appearances). He had one separate plate for meat and another for his carbs.
BTW, Jay Cutler had TWO nutritionists throughout his career: Hany Rambod and Chris Aceto. Does that make Jay DUMB? Was Jay "just doing as told" or a "big f-----g moron"?
And knowing nothing about training? You can't be serious!! This man is repping with weights that are maxes for most IFBB pros. Try 200-lb dumbbell presses with near perfect form....THAT'S A SHAWN RAY IN EACH HAND!! ;D
Being DUMB is knowing you need help but not getting it. Ronnie Coleman was anything but that. One could argue that Shawn Ray was "DUMB", because he was told how he needed to improve but didn't do it until it was too late. Had he competed at 210 or so in the early 90s, instead of waiting until the late 90s and 2000s to do so), he would have beaten Yates (especially in 1994 when Yates looked relatively awful) for a Sandow.
Had Ronnie retired in 06 (entirely) age 42 he'd probably be like Jay Cutler is now. but Ronnie after leaving the stage kept the abuse, that nonsense eating, amount of food,juice and also a bottle of BBQ sauce daily and much garbage ..... swinging weights,crappy form and blood pressure trough the roof.......
Most of our champs/idols are more irresponsible than we like to accept, if they can hide their health issues or crumbling before our eyes then they had an "elite worth ethic or a very good coach "....
Same goes for Kevin Levroneeeee and Flex Wheeleerrrr
WooooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH Charlatanes
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Ronnie was propped up with the gear and painkillers, he trained though injuries when he should have backed off
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Ronnie said in a video his pain is 11/10 in severity. Can't be a good life. I like him but that sucks.
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as much as love big ronnie lol... hes got the addict mentality... i dont think he knows how to live life without bodybuilding..
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I'm just keeping it real, no need to paint him as a warrior enduring great pains. Drugged out of his mind
Medication does not necessarily touch all pain. Flex Wheeler decided to amputate his leg because no medication helped according to him. Unless you are like completely rendered unconscious. Reminded what the surgeon told me after my bicep reattachment. They used "twilight anesthesia" and apparently when they were almost completely finished I had suddenly screamed, "holy fuck it hurts!" and they had to increase the anesthesia and manually ventilate me. No memory of that, which is typical.
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How was Ronnie not meticulous with his nutrition or training?
And knowing nothing about training? You can't be serious!!
Bevo can clarify himself, but I don't think he was saying Ronnie wasn't meticulous or couldn't follow instructions. It's about whether you sort of understand what you are doing technically. It's like the difference between a bodybuilding coach giving you a bodybuilding diet who then pulls carbs out of it to keep you losing weight and a schooled actual licensed nutritionist who understands what happens in the body in response to a diet (are Hany and Aceto nutritionists or "nutritionists"? For example, do they make you sure your diet contains sufficient magnesium or whatever it may be, covering all the necessary bases?). I saw a clip of Mike O'Hearn getting pissed at a guy whose heels kept getting off the footplate as he was doing hacks. You could say Mike "knows" how to train, yet not. He's so stupid he doesn't understand the guy's heel can't stay down because he doesn't have the ankle flexibility. You can be a complete moron and still eat chicken and rice and lift dumbells.
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Bevo can clarify himself, but I don't think he was saying Ronnie wasn't meticulous or couldn't follow instructions. It's about whether you sort of understand what you are doing technically. It's like the difference between a bodybuilding coach giving you a bodybuilding diet who then pulls carbs out of it to keep you losing weight and a schooled actual licensed nutritionist who understands what happens in the body in response to a diet (are Hany and Aceto nutritionists or "nutritionists"? For example, do they make you sure your diet contains sufficient magnesium or whatever it may be, covering all the necessary bases?). I saw a clip of Mike O'Hearn getting pissed at a guy whose heels kept getting off the footplate as he was doing hacks. You could say Mike "knows" how to train, yet not. He's so stupid he doesn't understand the guy's heel can't stay down because he doesn't have the ankle flexibility. You can be a complete moron and still eat chicken and rice and lift dumbells.
do they fuck, they are drug/diuretic coaches
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do they fuck, they are drug/diuretic coaches
Chris Cook on the early Hany
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTo72xSj_QB/
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How was Ronnie not meticulous with his nutrition or training? His diet was similar to all the other bodybuilders you mentioned. The lone difference may be VOLUME. Ronnie didn't eat just 2 or 3 chicken breasts. The ENTIRE surface area of his place was covered in chicken (tenderloins, from all appearances). He had one separate plate for meat and another for his carbs.
BTW, Jay Cutler had TWO nutritionists throughout his career: Hany Rambod and Chris Aceto. Does that make Jay DUMB? Was Jay "just doing as told" or a "big f-----g moron"?
And knowing nothing about training? You can't be serious!! This man is repping with weights that are maxes for most IFBB pros. Try 200-lb dumbbell presses with near perfect form....THAT'S A SHAWN RAY IN EACH HAND!! ;D
Being DUMB is knowing you need help but not getting it. Ronnie Coleman was anything but that. One could argue that Shawn Ray was "DUMB", because he was told how he needed to improve but didn't do it until it was too late. Had he competed at 210 or so in the early 90s, instead of waiting until the late 90s and 2000s to do so), he would have beaten Yates (especially in 1994 when Yates looked relatively awful) for a Sandow.
You misread my whole entire post
How’s ronnie these days compared to the rest? Hows Jay doing, how’s Dorian doing? Etc
Like I said Ronnie was told what to do and he just did it, doesn’t mean he knew what he was putting in his body, if Chad said take this, he took it, eat this, he ate it
He was blessed with elite genetics that was out of his control, he had nothing to do with that part
Shawn was too small, he said himself he looked his best around 205-210, nothing else he could have done, he tried going up in weight, even doing the more than one show a year which was the Arnold and didn’t do well, and no , he wouldn’t have beaten Yates.
Bottom line, Shawn was too small and didn’t have the genetics for the “mass monster era” to win , nothing to do with his knowledge
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You misread my whole entire post
How’s ronnie these days compared to the rest? Hows Jay doing, how’s Dorian doing? Etc
Ronnie had a nagging back injury around which he trained until it finally caught up with him. If anything, that first surgery was botched and he's been jacked up ever since then.
Like I said Ronnie was told what to do and he just did it, doesn’t mean he knew what he was putting in his body, if Chad said take this, he took it, eat this, he ate it
He was blessed with elite genetics that was out of his control, he had nothing to do with that part
Again I ask, how is that any different than Jay Cutler doing what Rambod/Aceto told him to do?
Shawn was too small, he said himself he looked his best around 205-210, nothing else he could have done, he tried going up in weight, even doing the more than one show a year which was the Arnold and didn’t do well, and no , he wouldn’t have beaten Yates.
Bottom line, Shawn was too small and didn’t have the genetics for the “mass monster era” to win , nothing to do with his knowledge
I agree. Shawn was too small....in the mid 90s. The size he had in the late 90s and early 2000s is what he needed in 1994.
Had Ray been 210, coupled with Yates being way off with a bloated waist and torn bicep, he would have beaten Yates that year.compared it to Dexter Jackson upsetting Jay Cutler in 2008. Dex was at his best AND Jay was off.
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I see Ronnie has learned how to use AI so he's not going away anytime soon ;D
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Ronnie had a nagging back injury around which he trained until it finally caught up with him. If anything, that first surgery was botched and he's been jacked up ever since then.
Again I ask, how is that any different than Jay Cutler doing what Rambod/Aceto told him to do?
I agree. Shawn was too small....in the mid 90s. The size he had in the late 90s and early 2000s is what he needed in 1994.
Had Ray been 210, coupled with Yates being way off with a bloated waist and torn bicep, he would have beaten Yates that year.compared it to Dexter Jackson upsetting Jay Cutler in 2008. Dex was at his best AND Jay was off.
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Ronnie is the BB example of going “until the wheels fall off” mentality failing miserably.
He should have focused on his health and just by rebranding himself as a businessman after he retired.
Just having that business success is what many people dream to get from BB. It wasn’t enough for him though.
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Had Ronnie retired in 06 (entirely) age 42 he'd probably be like Jay Cutler is now. but Ronnie after leaving the stage kept the abuse, that nonsense eating, amount of food,juice and also a bottle of BBQ sauce daily and much garbage ..... swinging weights,crappy form and blood pressure trough the roof.......
Most of our champs/idols are more irresponsible than we like to accept, if they can hide their health issues or crumbling before our eyes then they had an "elite worth ethic or a very good coach "....
Same goes for Kevin Levroneeeee and Flex Wheeleerrrr
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Yes I agree, Ronnie pushed it to hard with the bbq sauce. I would understand if was using Sweet Baby Rays or something else quality but he was a KCMasterpiece guy….
It’s a shame.
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Isn't it obvious? Either an acting career or get with Levrone and form a band.
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Ronnie is the BB example of going “until the wheels fall off” mentality failing miserably.
He should have focused on his health and just by rebranding himself as a businessman after he retired.
Just having that business success is what many people dream to get from BB. It wasn’t enough for him though.
He aint Lee Labrada.
More to come
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Had your Grandmother been born a man she'd of been your Grandfather.
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IF & HAD ::)
Apparently, you didn't comprehend what I said. My initial statement was that Ray was too small in 1994, according to those judges. He was told he needed to be a bit bigger but keep his proportions; but he never did that in the mid 90s.
And that ties into the whole claim that Ronnie was simply a "dumb" guy who just did what he was told by his nutritionist/guru.
My point was (and remains) that Ronnie was SMART. Unlike Shawn Ray, he took the criticisms from the judges and his nutritionist. He needed to be bigger; he got bigger; he won the Olympia, leap-frogging over all the top guys.....including Shawn Ray.
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"You need to get bigger, but keep your proportions" that's some kind of expert judge advice?
I think you may be confusing what he was told:
EXPERT IFBB Judges: You need to be a Getbigger!
Ronnie C: Yeah Buddy!
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Apparently, you didn't comprehend what I said. My initial statement was that Ray was too small in 1994, according to those judges. He was told he needed to be a bit bigger but keep his proportions; but he never did that in the mid 90s.
And that ties into the whole claim that Ronnie was simply a "dumb" guy who just did what he was told by his nutritionist/guru.
My point was (and remains) that Ronnie was SMART. Unlike Shawn Ray, he took the criticisms from the judges and his nutritionist. He needed to be bigger; he got bigger; he won the Olympia, leap-frogging over all the top guys.....including Shawn Ray.
Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight
Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person
I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that
Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler
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Apparently, you didn't comprehend what I said. My initial statement was that Ray was too small in 1994, according to those judges. He was told he needed to be a bit bigger but keep his proportions; but he never did that in the mid 90s.
And that ties into the whole claim that Ronnie was simply a "dumb" guy who just did what he was told by his nutritionist/guru.
My point was (and remains) that Ronnie was SMART. Unlike Shawn Ray, he took the criticisms from the judges and his nutritionist. He needed to be bigger; he got bigger; he won the Olympia, leap-frogging over all the top guys.....including Shawn Ray.
Also Ronnie was told after 2003 that he was too big and in 2004 and 2005 he actually came in smaller and harder, it's a mystery how he lost In 2006.
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Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight
Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person
I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that
Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler
Shawn's all time best was 96, and he was denied a sandow because the judges were bitter that he never competed at 230 like they demanded.
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Also Ronnie was told after 2003 that he was too big and in 2004 and 2005 he actually came in smaller and harder, it's a mystery how he lost In 2006.
Ronnie was bigger in 2004 than he was in 2003
Supposedly 287-290 in 03 and 296 in 2004
I can tell you seeing him 3-4 wks out in 2003, he was in the 300+ range and was just massive
The irony was that he def should have lost in 2001 and in 2002 he tired to come in smaller and was off , and that year the line up was weak even though Kevin was 2nd and Cormier was 3rd, they were no threat and Jay so happens to have taken that year off
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Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight
Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person
I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that
Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler
Maybe Ronnie wasn’t comfortable disclosing his illegal drug use to Gus in an environment where others could hear him?
I’m not disagreeing or main point of Ronnie not paying attention though. He said in an interview that he cut up potatoes to look like French fries, then he baked them and everyone thought he was eating French fries but they were cut up potatoes.
Guy was playing checkers while everyone else was playing chess.
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Maybe Ronnie wasn’t comfortable disclosing his illegal drug use to Gus in an environment where others could hear him?
I’m not disagreeing or main point of Ronnie not paying attention though. He said in an interview that he cut up potatoes to look like French fries, then he baked them and everyone thought he was eating French fries but they were cut up potatoes.
Guy was playing checkers while everyone else was playing chess.
why would it matter if they were French Fries as long as he takes into account the calories?
I eat fries almost every day cooked in beef dripping
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Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight
Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person
I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that
Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler
Are you trying to tell us that the greatest bodybuilder of all time did not measure his whitefish in grams?
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Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight
Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person
I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that
Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler
I agree with you on that point. I like Ronnie's physique from the 90s and early 2000s. Heck, his Mr. Universe physique, his 1995 look when he won his first show, and the 2001 ASC form are the top 3 (in no particular order) in terms of his best appearances.
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Bevo can clarify himself, but I don't think he was saying Ronnie wasn't meticulous or couldn't follow instructions. It's about whether you sort of understand what you are doing technically. It's like the difference between a bodybuilding coach giving you a bodybuilding diet who then pulls carbs out of it to keep you losing weight and a schooled actual licensed nutritionist who understands what happens in the body in response to a diet (are Hany and Aceto nutritionists or "nutritionists"? For example, do they make you sure your diet contains sufficient magnesium or whatever it may be, covering all the necessary bases?). I saw a clip of Mike O'Hearn getting pissed at a guy whose heels kept getting off the footplate as he was doing hacks. You could say Mike "knows" how to train, yet not. He's so stupid he doesn't understand the guy's heel can't stay down because he doesn't have the ankle flexibility. You can be a complete moron and still eat chicken and rice and lift dumbells.
What you're basically describing is the difference between theoretical science and operational/empirical science. Simply put, knowing how something works vs. knowing simply THAT it works.
The guys from the "golden era" of the 70s were more of the latter. They knew what worked even if they couldn't get into the weeds and give you egghead explanations as to why.
My guess is Ronnie fit that mold, too. If it worked, he used it; if it didn't he dropped it and did something else.
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why would it matter if they were French Fries as long as he takes into account the calories?
I eat fries almost every day cooked in beef dripping
It doesn’t really matter what he ate, he was the champion.
He ate French fries. He literally described how he made them, but said they weren’t French fries.
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If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.
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If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.
If I were Ronnie today I'd just fucking kill myself. What a fucking retard.
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Ronnie is Lee Labrada, so i would continue be the best businessman i could be, take naps during the day and hike in the mountains per usual.
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If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.
Who knows if that's exactly what he's already doing at this point
Wouldn't surprise me a bit if they find all kinds of recreational drugs in his blood work
Ironically the gas is the only drug that no longer has an effect on Ronnie
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Ronnie was bigger in 2004 than he was in 2003
Supposedly 287-290 in 03 and 296 in 2004
I can tell you seeing him 3-4 wks out in 2003, he was in the 300+ range and was just massive
The irony was that he def should have lost in 2001 and in 2002 he tired to come in smaller and was off , and that year the line up was weak even though Kevin was 2nd and Cormier was 3rd, they were no threat and Jay so happens to have taken that year off
Also Ronnie was told after 2003 that he was too big and in 2004 and 2005 he actually came in smaller and harder, it's a mystery how he lost In 2006.
Bevo, you don't seriously believe he "definitely" should've lost in 01. I mean, you could say it was close, could've gone either way, Ronnie looked like shit at the day show but pulled it together by the night show but Jay was sharp all day and night... however one can frame it. But definitely ? C'mon man. It was close because Ronnie DID improve over the course of the show but I believe he rightfully won.
I know, I know bodybuilding is more of a pageant than a sport but in every other sport the mark of a champion is the ability to comeback from a deficit. To turn the ship around, so to speak.
MethylMike, as far as 2006, are you saying you don't know how the hell the judges gave it to the fridge? Or are you saying you don't know how the hell Ronnie managed to blow it and lose after being so dominant?
At the time of the 06 Olympia, I remember watching the live updates and , at the time, being somewhat relieved that Jay won. But it didn't make any sense. The biggest criticism of Ronnie was the whole conversation around aesthetics, and they were talking about deducting points for bloated stomachs, and rewarding more streamlined physiques... so they rewarded the fridge? LOL. I was tired of Ronnie winning and didn't want him to break Haneys record BUT I also thought, if you're just gonna give it to Jay, why? Ronnie was still bigger and more ripped. There were imbalances in Ronnie, but Jay had a Left/Right imbalance too, and it wouldn't be the first time a guy with imbalances (Dickerson and Dorian) won the Olympia. So I really do think Jay winning in 06 should've been more controversial than Ronnie winning in 01. I mean Jay looked very impressive in his very first Olympia where he was 15th, he looked great in 01 and 09. Otherwise Jay LLS IMO.
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If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.
Dead by 80.
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Dead by 80.
At this point you have to commit to riding the horse that got you there.
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Ronnie is on the really good prescription pain meds. He's high as a kite most of the day.
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Bevo, you don't seriously believe he "definitely" should've lost in 01. I mean, you could say it was close, could've gone either way, Ronnie looked like shit at the day show but pulled it together by the night show but Jay was sharp all day and night... however one can frame it. But definitely ? C'mon man. It was close because Ronnie DID improve over the course of the show but I believe he rightfully won.
I know, I know bodybuilding is more of a pageant than a sport but in every other sport the mark of a champion is the ability to comeback from a deficit. To turn the ship around, so to speak.
MethylMike, as far as 2006, are you saying you don't know how the hell the judges gave it to the fridge? Or are you saying you don't know how the hell Ronnie managed to blow it and lose after being so dominant?
At the time of the 06 Olympia, I remember watching the live updates and , at the time, being somewhat relieved that Jay won. But it didn't make any sense. The biggest criticism of Ronnie was the whole conversation around aesthetics, and they were talking about deducting points for bloated stomachs, and rewarding more streamlined physiques... so they rewarded the fridge? LOL. I was tired of Ronnie winning and didn't want him to break Haneys record BUT I also thought, if you're just gonna give it to Jay, why? Ronnie was still bigger and more ripped. There were imbalances in Ronnie, but Jay had a Left/Right imbalance too, and it wouldn't be the first time a guy with imbalances (Dickerson and Dorian) won the Olympia. So I really do think Jay winning in 06 should've been more controversial than Ronnie winning in 01. I mean Jay looked very impressive in his very first Olympia where he was 15th, he looked great in 01 and 09. Otherwise Jay LLS IMO.
I remember the score card and Jay had him by a mile, it was politics as usual how Jay lost in the end. Ronnie was off, just like in 02. Doing the Arnold classic 01 show he missed his peak for the Olympia. If Ronnie brought his 01 Arnold form, he would have won. 2001 Jay was his best showing imo, better than 09 his 2nd best showing
And I hate jay’s physique overall, but the damn fridge in 2001 put it all together and should have won. Hell, Jay should have competed in 02 since Ronnie was worse in 02 than 01.
Don’t get me wrong, Jay got a lot of gifts , he should have lost to Cormier in Arnold classic, forgot which year and jay’s 2006 and 07 Olympia wins he wasn’t great. Def politics, weiders wanted him to win since placing 2nd at the 01 O.
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Bevo, you don't seriously believe he "definitely" should've lost in 01. I mean, you could say it was close, could've gone either way, Ronnie looked like shit at the day show but pulled it together by the night show but Jay was sharp all day and night... however one can frame it. But definitely ? C'mon man. It was close because Ronnie DID improve over the course of the show but I believe he rightfully won.
I know, I know bodybuilding is more of a pageant than a sport but in every other sport the mark of a champion is the ability to comeback from a deficit. To turn the ship around, so to speak.
MethylMike, as far as 2006, are you saying you don't know how the hell the judges gave it to the fridge? Or are you saying you don't know how the hell Ronnie managed to blow it and lose after being so dominant?
At the time of the 06 Olympia, I remember watching the live updates and , at the time, being somewhat relieved that Jay won. But it didn't make any sense. The biggest criticism of Ronnie was the whole conversation around aesthetics, and they were talking about deducting points for bloated stomachs, and rewarding more streamlined physiques... so they rewarded the fridge? LOL. I was tired of Ronnie winning and didn't want him to break Haneys record BUT I also thought, if you're just gonna give it to Jay, why? Ronnie was still bigger and more ripped. There were imbalances in Ronnie, but Jay had a Left/Right imbalance too, and it wouldn't be the first time a guy with imbalances (Dickerson and Dorian) won the Olympia. So I really do think Jay winning in 06 should've been more controversial than Ronnie winning in 01. I mean Jay looked very impressive in his very first Olympia where he was 15th, he looked great in 01 and 09. Otherwise Jay LLS IMO.
I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06. And if it wasn't going to be Ronnie, it should have went to Victor or Dexter.
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I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06. And if it wasn't going to be Ronnie, it should have went to Victor or Dexter.
Does it really matter now?
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Does it really matter now?
I agree, we should discuss the 1980 Olympia in more depth
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Does it really matter now?
Of course it does.
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Does it really matter now?
Ask Mentzer in heaven ;D
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Ask Mentzer in heaven ;D
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It's a shame Mike wasn't around to hear Ronnie's "why complain" speech. It would've saved Mike from years of bitterness, improved his quality of life and perhaps extended his life span.
Mike would've done well to apply that advice to the 80 Olympia.
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I remember the score card and Jay had him by a mile, it was politics as usual how Jay lost in the end. Ronnie was off, just like in 02. Doing the Arnold classic 01 show he missed his peak for the Olympia. If Ronnie brought his 01 Arnold form, he would have won. 2001 Jay was his best showing imo, better than 09 his 2nd best showing
And I hate jay’s physique overall, but the damn fridge in 2001 put it all together and should have won. Hell, Jay should have competed in 02 since Ronnie was worse in 02 than 01.
Don’t get me wrong, Jay got a lot of gifts , he should have lost to Cormier in Arnold classic, forgot which year and jay’s 2006 and 07 Olympia wins he wasn’t great. Def politics, weiders wanted him to win since placing 2nd at the 01 O.
I was at the 2001 olympia and Jay won the show. He looked phenomenal in person. His back wasnt as big as ronnies but his conditioning and stage presence were unbelievable. Heading into the night show Ronnie was behind and if I remember correctly Ronnie pulled an American flag out his posing trunks (technically against the rules as props are not allowed) but the crowd was all sentimental and shit from 9/11 and Ronnie was gifted the win. It was sad.
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Ronnie was bigger in 2004 than he was in 2003
Supposedly 287-290 in 03 and 296 in 2004
I can tell you seeing him 3-4 wks out in 2003, he was in the 300+ range and was just massive
The irony was that he def should have lost in 2001 and in 2002 he tired to come in smaller and was off , and that year the line up was weak even though Kevin was 2nd and Cormier was 3rd, they were no threat and Jay so happens to have taken that year off
I met Ronnie July 2003 and he was so fucking big, it was, it was just ridiculous. He was wearing a checkered bed sheet for a shirt I think. His arms were the size of a man's entire torso. People were standing around talking about getting autographs and getting intimidated and not having the gall to approach him. So big, I'll never forget it.
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Bevo, you don't seriously believe he "definitely" should've lost in 01. I mean, you could say it was close, could've gone either way, Ronnie looked like shit at the day show but pulled it together by the night show but Jay was sharp all day and night... however one can frame it. But definitely ? C'mon man. It was close because Ronnie DID improve over the course of the show but I believe he rightfully won.
I know, I know bodybuilding is more of a pageant than a sport but in every other sport the mark of a champion is the ability to comeback from a deficit. To turn the ship around, so to speak.
MethylMike, as far as 2006, are you saying you don't know how the hell the judges gave it to the fridge? Or are you saying you don't know how the hell Ronnie managed to blow it and lose after being so dominant?
At the time of the 06 Olympia, I remember watching the live updates and , at the time, being somewhat relieved that Jay won. But it didn't make any sense. The biggest criticism of Ronnie was the whole conversation around aesthetics, and they were talking about deducting points for bloated stomachs, and rewarding more streamlined physiques... so they rewarded the fridge? LOL. I was tired of Ronnie winning and didn't want him to break Haneys record BUT I also thought, if you're just gonna give it to Jay, why? Ronnie was still bigger and more ripped. There were imbalances in Ronnie, but Jay had a Left/Right imbalance too, and it wouldn't be the first time a guy with imbalances (Dickerson and Dorian) won the Olympia. So I really do think Jay winning in 06 should've been more controversial than Ronnie winning in 01. I mean Jay looked very impressive in his very first Olympia where he was 15th, he looked great in 01 and 09. Otherwise Jay LLS IMO.
I thought ronnie deserved the win In 2006. It's controversial because the judges had told Ronnie to come down in weight which he did, compared to 05, yet gave the sandow to Jay for not being as dominant as usual.
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Ask Mentzer in heaven ;D
woosshhhhhhhhhhhhh
He's arguing with God over his consolidated routine.
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I thought ronnie deserved the win In 2006. It's controversial because the judges had told Ronnie to come down in weight which he did, compared to 05, yet gave the sandow to Jay for not being as dominant as usual.
WTF - what Olympia were you watching - Half his upper body was Atrophied.
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WTF - what Olympia were you watching - Half his upper body was Atrophied.
I agree with Mike. OK, so there was a left right imbalance. Its not like Jay was the king of symmetry. Jay looked like a fat fuck with muscles spray painted on. Ronnie's atrophied side was still bigger than Jay's good side. Ronnie was still huge and shredded. Jay looked like he had a double chin.
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The only two Olympia's I thought Jay looked really good at were 01 and 09. I still would have given 01 to Ronnie and I know I'm in the minority but I liked Dexter better in 09. My conspiracy theory is that they put Branch in 2nd in 09 to avoid comparing Jay directly with Dex. Branch beating Dex. LMFAO.
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The only two Olympia's I thought Jay looked really good at were 01 and 09. I still would have given 01 to Ronnie and I know I'm in the minority but I liked Dexter better in 09. My conspiracy theory is that they put Branch in 2nd in 09 to avoid comparing Jay directly with Dex. Branch beating Dex. LMFAO.
Somewhat agree. Jay was ripped and just carried so much more muscle than Dexter. Overall, Dexter has a better physique but I have to appreciate the effort Jay made that year. You could see he was very dedicated in his prep. I always said aside from 01 and 09, Jay looked like a fat guy with muscles painted on. But in 09 he looked like he was cut out of diamond or something. But no fucking way on earth Branch was better than Dexter. Absurd. Branxh was a fucking goblin and Dexter is one of the most successful pros of all time. Then in 10 Jay was back looking like the same old fridge. Just with a different haircut.
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Somewhat agree. Jay was ripped and just carried so much more muscle than Dexter. Overall, Dexter has a better physique but I have to appreciate the effort Jay made that year. You could see he was very dedicated in his prep. I always said aside from 01 and 09, Jay looked like a fat guy with muscles painted on. But in 09 he looked like he was cut out of diamond or something. But no fucking way on earth Branch was better than Dexter. Absurd. Branxh was a fucking goblin and Dexter is one of the most successful pros of all time. Then in 10 Jay was back looking like the same old fridge. Just with a different haircut.
I actually think some of Jays other runner ups to Ronnie were better than most of his victories. Probably told you this before but I was at the Opera House when Dexter won his pro card. Even then weighing less than 190 I believe, he was just on a different level.