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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Scimowser on May 08, 2006, 11:27:49 AM
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Lets say that Ronnie suffers an injury this year which forces him to retire, or he simply opts to quit for whatever reason. You go to the Olympia and win it, finally getting your overdue Sandow. How would you feel?
Not in the sense of winning the competition, but winning it without Ronnie competing? Do you think you would accept the trophy with as much joy as you would if Ronnie was announced 2nd instead of absent.
Would you be able to accept that from the judges point of view, you just couldnt beat him?
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I personally think Jay has a better overall physique than Ronnie, but the judges haven't seen it that way, at least not yet. Sometimes I wonder where they find these judges, look at them, most don't even look like they've never stepped foot into a gym.
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Good question. Knowing that he knocked off every other BBer during that span, as well as arguably beat COleman in 2001, will probably give him some peace. No matter what you do, there will always be someone better at it.
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Cutler is getting close to the end of his peak. I hope he can hold it together to win the Olympia at least once. He is a true credit to the sport, and for a pro bber, he is a model of health.
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Cutler is getting close to the end of his peak. I hope he can hold it together to win the Olympia at least once. He is a true credit to the sport, and for a pro bber, he is a model of health.
ok Ronnie was older than Jay when he took his first O!
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I personally think Jay has a better overall physique than Ronnie, but the judges haven't seen it that way, at least not yet. Sometimes I wonder where they find these judges, look at them, most don't even look like they've never stepped foot into a gym.
Maybe you should check out the Mr. O videos to see how wrong you are. Dude, just because Jay posts here doesnt mean you have to kiss his ass big time. While Jay has a great physique and is well respected and all, IMO he is nowhere near Ronnie physically. In fact, I reckon at his best, Jay wouldn't be able to beat Dorian either (at Dorian's best). He more than holds his own with everyone else though 8)
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Jay said in his new dvd that he almost doesnt care about winning the Olympia right now. He just wants to beat Coleman. I think if Ronnie retires this year before the O and Jay does win (which he won't - Dex has his number) he won't be completely satisfied
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ok Ronnie was older than Jay when he took his first O!
I guess you're right... but how long can Jay stay injury free?
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Knowing that he knocked off every other BBer during that span, as well as arguably beat COleman in 2001 . . .
240 - HE CHEATED! How can anyone still argue that Jay won in 2001 when he took diuretics? His conditioning was the best in the show BECUASE HE TOOK DIURETICS. That's the only reason anyone says he had a chance of beating Big Ron. Fact is, Ronnie outmuscled him and utterly RAPED Jay from the back. I respect Jay and appreciate his physique but that doesnt mean he ever beat Coleman or ever will . . .
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I guess you're right... but how long can Jay stay injury free?
In his last DVD, Jay said that he was going to start training with heavier weights and much lower reps. Sounds ominous . . .
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In his last DVD, Jay said that he was going to start training with heavier weights and much lower reps. Sounds ominous . . .
It's worked for Ronnie!
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240 - HE CHEATED! How can anyone still argue that Jay won in 2001 when he took diuretics? His conditioning was the best in the show BECUASE HE TOOK DIURETICS. That's the only reason anyone says he had a chance of beating Big Ron. Fact is, Ronnie outmuscled him and utterly RAPED Jay from the back. I respect Jay and appreciate his physique but that doesnt mean he ever beat Coleman or ever will . . .
Dont know about the diuretics issue i.e whether the other competitors used them or not, but agree 100 % about your assesment of Ronnie outmuscling him. Anyone who doubts this should see the 2001 Prejudging video - Ronnie looked unbelievably freaky when he turned around and flexed his back :o Plus, Ronnie tightened up heaps for the night show and in a way, it was just like the 1997 Mr O in that from the front it was fairly close, but once the guys turned to the side and the back, there was no doubting who the clear winner was - Ronnie just blew everyone away, plain and simple ;)
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Big poppa J you really dont know much about what the hell you are talking about do you?
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Cutler is getting close to the end of his peak. I hope he can hold it together to win the Olympia at least once. He is a true credit to the sport, and for a pro bber, he is a model of health.
Think so? Hes only 32! Hes a young babay! I dont see any signs of his physique receeding. He trains smart too..
Ronnie is what, 42? Granted hes a freak for staying so youthfull and his musclemass still very healthy and not dwindelling- as we saw Nasser just go down hill.
Obviously it will be sweeter if he wins with ROnnie there..Even with ROnnie not there, Jay would have one every bodybuilding contest with one Mr Olympia win, by age 33. Amazaing imho.
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Big poppa J you really dont know much about what the hell you are talking about do you?
Do you have any specific objections or are you just another jackass without an actual argument of their own?
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Come on guys keep it civilized- I dont think all this will attract Jay to this thread ;)
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Well I may be a jackass no doubt but if you think Jay took a diuretic and Ronnie didnt you are on the outside looking in for sure ...thats all.
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Well I may be a jackass no doubt but if you think Jay took a diuretic and Ronnie didnt you are on the outside looking in for sure ...thats all.
I'll admit I'm going by what I've seen and what I've read. I'm certainly not privy to any behind the scenes behing closed doors insider information. That's why I come here - because there are people who do. Speaking of Getbig, welcome abaord mate - hopefully our next argument will be a more gentlemanly affair.
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Cool !! I am with that. I just see so much garbage on these boards sometimes I get a little excited!!!
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1- if he cheated, he shouldn't have been give second. He shouldn't have placed. He was either the best man onstage in 2001, or he was disqualified. Keeping him at second was a strange move.
2- cutler has been on intense levels of gear for about 8 years now. Coleman's been on for what, 9 or 10? Jay's side effects show pretty bad already. I can't imagine what another 8 years on it would do to him. I hope he retires with his health.
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1- if he cheated, he shouldn't have been give second. He shouldn't have placed. He was either the best man onstage in 2001, or he was disqualified. Keeping him at second was a strange move.
2- cutler has been on intense levels of gear for about 8 years now. Coleman's been on for what, 9 or 10? Jay's side effects show pretty bad already. I can't imagine what another 8 years on it would do to him. I hope he retires with his health.
Thats the only sad thing about this. We aspire and dream all our lives to look like them, only to be dissapointed and crushed, after realizing what else we would need to do- and even then, its not gonna happen, it most cases.. But we can be smaller versions, right? :D Thats why I still admire these guys, and am a huge fan..they can still help us and inspire us to no end..
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2- cutler has been on intense levels of gear for about 8 years now. Coleman's been on for what, 9 or 10? Jay's side effects show pretty bad already. I can't imagine what another 8 years on it would do to him. I hope he retires with his health.
Those are some serious charges, 240, if by "gear" you mean anabolic steroids. The Mr. Olympia, 'case you haven't heard, is a drug-tested competition. Joe Weider said so.
You're a joke-maker, though, I know, I know ...
The shit you come up with, man.
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Maybe you should check out the Mr. O videos to see how wrong you are. Dude, just because Jay posts here doesnt mean you have to kiss his ass big time. While Jay has a great physique and is well respected and all, IMO he is nowhere near Ronnie physically. In fact, I reckon at his best, Jay wouldn't be able to beat Dorian either (at Dorian's best). He more than holds his own with everyone else though 8)
Bump that.
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Bump this.
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he would retire
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240 - HE CHEATED! How can anyone still argue that Jay won in 2001 when he took diuretics? His conditioning was the best in the show BECUASE HE TOOK DIURETICS. That's the only reason anyone says he had a chance of beating Big Ron. Fact is, Ronnie outmuscled him and utterly RAPED Jay from the back. I respect Jay and appreciate his physique but that doesnt mean he ever beat Coleman or ever will . . .
Great point! It's often ignored.
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What are u trying to say that others didn't take it, they just didn't get caught. Just like Ben Johnson in the 1988 Olympics, he was just the dummy that got caught.
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240 - HE CHEATED! How can anyone still argue that Jay won in 2001 when he took diuretics? His conditioning was the best in the show BECUASE HE TOOK DIURETICS. That's the only reason anyone says he had a chance of beating Big Ron. Fact is, Ronnie outmuscled him and utterly RAPED Jay from the back. I respect Jay and appreciate his physique but that doesnt mean he ever beat Coleman or ever will . . .
hahahaha "he cheated". get it right it is more like he tested positive (got caught, so the magazines say). do you think jay was the only one there that may or may not have been using diuretics. i wasnt there and i didnt handle the samples for testing so i have no idea what is up. if a bb'r tested + for roids would you say "he cheated!".
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What are u trying to say that others didn't take it, they just didn't get caught. Just like Ben Johnson in the 1988 Olympics, he was just the dummy that got caught.
That's true, but it is still against the rules and he got away with it.
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hahahaha "he cheated". get it right it is more like he tested positive (got caught, so the magazines say). do you think jay was the only one there that may or may not have been using diuretics. i wasnt there and i didnt handle the samples for testing so i have no idea what is up. if a bb'r tested + for roids would you say "he cheated!".
I can't claim that nobody but Jay was using diuretics, but probably they just reduced their dosages. Otherwise I can't explain why so many competitors were soft that year, including Ronnie (never in 15 years he has been seen holding that much water)...
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I can't claim that nobody but Jay was using diuretics, but probably they just reduced their dosages. Otherwise I can't explain why so many competitors were soft that year, including Ronnie (never in 15 years he has been seen holding that much water)...
I don't believe everyone was tested.
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Lets say that Ronnie suffers an injury this year which forces him to retire, or he simply opts to quit for whatever reason. You go to the Olympia and win it, finally getting your overdue Sandow. How would you feel?
Not in the sense of winning the competition, but winning it without Ronnie competing? Do you think you would accept the trophy with as much joy as you would if Ronnie was announced 2nd instead of absent.
Would you be able to accept that from the judges point of view, you just couldnt beat him?
Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...
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Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...
Great point!
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Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...
I can sense ND and Hulkster will bring their gay debate in this thread..
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Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...
Dorian never beat Haney ::)
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i know about the Haney/Yates/Coleman situation, thats why i am so keen to see what Jay's opinion is on the matter. He has all the tools to beat Ronnie except for an unbiased judging system (his back width and thickness is incredible, hes catching ronnie up), but he is running out of time to get the shot against him he needs. If Ronnie retires then people will forever say Jay COULDNT beat him plain and simple. If he does beat him in the next 2 years then some might actually start saying crap like "oh Ronnies over the hill, passed his best" blah blah blah.
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Jay would never beat Ronnie when Ronnie is in shape. Big Ron has a better chest, back, glutes, quads, hams, and arms (easily). Jay has equivalent delts and better calves. His abs aren't even much better lately as he has developed some GH bloat also. In the end, Ronnie is harder and more vascular. His density is much greater. Jay is great, but he better watch out for the next wave of guys. Ronnie is the Mr. O till he retires. Big Poppa J is right on with his assessment.
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Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...
But also remember this...Ronnie was never Dorian's top rival, Flex was. Ron was ninth in '97
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I don't think Jay's gonna respond.
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i beg to differ. Ronnie has a droopy chest, his abs are shite when you can see them, who cares about a rippes arse, his legs arent of Jays standard/class (theyre bigger but not better)
He has Jay on arms, back, Xframe and size but jay has better legs, abs, equal delts and can bring in a different package every contest
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i beg to differ. Ronnie has a droopy chest, his abs are shite when you can see them, who cares about a rippes arse, his legs arent of Jays standard/class (theyre bigger but not better)
He has Jay on arms, back, Xframe and size but jay has better legs, abs, equal delts and can bring in a different package every contest
Jay doesn't quite have the detail :-\
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Jay doesn't quite have the detail :-\
He is still lacking from the back... but if he comes in dry, look out!
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ok Ronnie was older than Jay when he took his first O!
But his chin wasn't touching the floor either!
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I will go for @ least 3 more yrs, I will be 35 then, its about being the best for me and will do what I need to do to get there, but stay healthy doing so... I am not tapped out yet guys, trust me. I have a lot to give to the bodybuilding world still. Thanks for the support.
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I will go for @ least 3 more yrs, I will be 35 then, its about being the best for me and will do what I need to do to get there, but stay healthy doing so... I am not tapped out yet guys, trust me. I have a lot to give to the bodybuilding world still. Thanks for the support.
Great attitude bro!!! That's what your fans need to hear! I think 3 years is a little short compared to how long people are going but only you can make that call. Till then rock on, c-ya @ Golds!
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Hello Jay Cutler, on the bodybuilding radio you mentioned some packaged whole food called abulous or abulus?? I was wondering if it tastes good and where I can get them, Thanks.
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Hello Jay Cutler, on the bodybuilding radio you mentioned some packaged whole food called abulous or abulus?? I was wondering if it tastes good and where I can get them, Thanks.
dude, you have the coolest name in getbig history. congrats!
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people always question jays back. Sure he lacks detail for his level and its not crispy dry, but his whole package is incredible. The Ronnie fanatics are always eager to point out Jays weaknesses when its clearly evident the great man has plenty of his own. If he was viewed through neutral eyes then it would be different.
Thanks for the answer Jay. It is much appreciated
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people always question jays back. Sure he lacks detail for his level and its not crispy dry, but his whole package is incredible. The Ronnie fanatics are always eager to point out Jays weaknesses when its clearly evident the great man has plenty of his own. If he was viewed through neutral eyes then it would be different.
Thanks for the answer Jay. It is much appreciated
I don't think Jay has Ronnie's back detail, but I think he has more width.
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I will go for @ least 3 more yrs, I will be 35 then, its about being the best for me and will do what I need to do to get there, but stay healthy doing so... I am not tapped out yet guys, trust me. I have a lot to give to the bodybuilding world still. Thanks for the support.
That's it?
Man. Gypped.
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I will go for @ least 3 more yrs, I will be 35 then, its about being the best for me and will do what I need to do to get there, but stay healthy doing so... I am not tapped out yet guys, trust me. I have a lot to give to the bodybuilding world still. Thanks for the support.
I remember how you said that you're going to promote bodybuilding and winning the Sandow would help your credentials in doing so. All the best Jay, you really think for the sport.
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Hang it up Jay, youve won enough
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Hang it up Jay, youve won enough
How can you tell him what to do dick hole
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Hang it up Jay, youve won enough
>:(
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Bump this thread .....for Mon_of_Steele
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Bump this thread .....for Mon_of_Steele
Jay Cutler Last Active: June 25, 2006, 12:56:51 PM
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Jay just forgot his password..
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Jay Cutler Last Active: June 25, 2006, 12:56:51 PM
Wonder how many times he comes on here as a "guest"? Jay should come back and post. Yeah, he'll get some flaming but he's gotta just ignore it.
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Jay just forgot his password..
"Humalog" is case-sensitive.
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"Humalog" is case-sensitive.
monster assumption that jay even does drugs..
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monster assumption that jay even does drugs..
Brutal assumption that jay is even his real name.
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240 - HE CHEATED! How can anyone still argue that Jay won in 2001 when he took diuretics? His conditioning was the best in the show BECUASE HE TOOK DIURETICS. That's the only reason anyone says he had a chance of beating Big Ron. Fact is, Ronnie outmuscled him and utterly RAPED Jay from the back. I respect Jay and appreciate his physique but that doesnt mean he ever beat Coleman or ever will . . .
But they all took diuretics though ???