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I have to admit... roids do take you to the next level! but you can't explain arnold and kevin cuz they're prolly not the type who get all swole off season. As for TP, give em a break, he's had enough bashing and should be happy to be alive too. as for Arnold, i dont think Ive ever seen any footage of him being swolen off season, he's the type that gets thin and once he trains for the O, he knows what the fuck to do and that goes for Levrone too.
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It's the character that makes a pro a pro right?
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It's crazy how thin Arnold is in that picture of him running. As for Levrone in the picture where he weighs 215, I think he looks better than in the contest pictures, except for his stomach. In fact, I would say his size there is quite ideal.
Tom...well...he was just an injection. A very strong one though.
And yeah, I would say that to his face. It would seem kind of awkward to bring up out of nowhere, but if the topic came up, I would say it.
Here we go again....
If it was that simple there PDI lines would looked gret by now.But as you can see roids alone dont do it.And only a handfull of people in the world are actualy worth seeing on a stage.
Please explain that ohh migthy guru.... ::)
STFU and GTFO.Its quite obvious you never used and have no idea about this subject ,so why you keep posting?
You only show your ignorace.
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So you are saying that Arnold didn't bust his ass in the gym?
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Yeah Its aaaaaaaaaaaaall about genetic.
Sorry folks, you guys cant beat natural Ronnie Coleman even if you guys use tons of gears.
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Sad when the ignorant calls the informed ignorant.
Maybe consider opening a scientific paper on the topic? ???
It is a fallacy to say that I can't speak on this topic with more accuracy than a steroid user simply because I do not use. Most pros couldn't even spell brachialis or acromegaly. Just because they display both of them better than I do doesn't mean they know more on the topic.
I may not have steroid experience but I do have a lot of education on the matter - I'm sure I know more about all aspects of bodybuilding than the sweeping majority of pros.
Consistency regarding the right drugs, a lot of food, years of training, and of course, the right genetics for shape and response to drugs will make you a pro. The reason more people don't turn pro is because they lack one or more of these factors. Drugs are WAY up there. Obviously they are more important than training (no shit), and on par with nutrition. Genetic response to drugs is important too of course.
If you were that informed you wouldnt say that.You might think you have some knowlage but I doubt you know much more then a few names.
I never said the pro's are geniuses,I just said you obviously have no idea.
Unlike you,who read some stupid collums from magazines I like to read : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed
Try to for some real info.Further more I personly have designed cycles for many men.
No one ever denyed roids dont do alot,but they are the catalyst more then anything else.
I had enough of you,go back to your constant comparing of heights... you feel so smart when you say someone is 5"11.232343.... ::)
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If Coleman's genetics are that good then why does he take so much juice?
I've seen pictures of him when he was a footballer yet he was no more muscular than the average guy and I doubt the little mass he had for football was natural.
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If its all about the drugs why are so many heavy juicers built like average guys.
genetics are 70 percent of the reason with the rest split between training/food and drugs
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Tom Platz was one of the hardest trainers around - but did you see this guy off drugs? He looked like a completely different person, both in the physique and in the face.
His cheeks looked like a frigging hamster's. I attended a Platz seminar and his chest was non-existant. It was so small he tried to hide it while he was posing.
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what a stupid argument. Neither of the 3 guys you posted were natural bodybuilders. when they cleaned up they also stopped training and eating a certain way. You think in those pictures Arnold was trying to win any competitions or even trying to grow naturally? This is really stupid. Why don't you get pictures of really big natural bodybuilders and show them a couple of years when they stop training and dieting... same thing.
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Anyone who believes that bodybuilding is about genetics is believing what the pros want them to. A thinner waist may place a competitor higher but it’s drugs and not genetics that have transformed their bodies.
Just look at the female bodybuilders for proof of that.
Hell, Woody Allen would be huge too if he was on a pro’s cycle and he wouldn’t even have to train either.
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What an ignorant thing to say. Each one of us knows a few people who are on steroids but we can't even tell... I wonder why. You think if that gay guy from the MTV steroid episode took more steroids he'd look like a pro?
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What an ignorant thing to say. Each one of us knows a few people who are on steroids but we can't even tell... I wonder why. You think if that gay guy from the MTV steroid episode took more steroids he'd look like a pro?
That's my opinion to
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What an ignorant thing to say. Each one of us knows a few people who are on steroids but we can't even tell... I wonder why. You think if that gay guy from the MTV steroid episode took more steroids he'd look like a pro?
I didn't say Woody Allen would look like a pro. I said that with the amount of juice the pros take and have taken even before they lifted up a weight, then Woody Allen would be huge too. There are many teens in the UK who are on steroids and don't work out at all and they are muscular.
And if you can't tell who's on steroids then it's no wonder you believe the pros.
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No buddy. By the way these teenagers who you consider muscular are probably not big at all. Secondly Woody Allen wouldn't be big at all. He'd still look very much like he does now. If it wasn't about genetics then why isn't Ahmad Haidar as big as Ronnie Coleman? Why wasn't Frank Zane as big as Lou Ferigno? You know who else was on steroids? McEnroe the tennis player! Imagine if he took tons and tons and tons of stuff? He'd probably be 170 instead of 140...
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I have to admit... roids do take you to the next level! but you can't explain arnold and kevin cuz they're prolly not the type who get all swole off season. As for TP, give em a break, he's had enough bashing and should be happy to be alive too. as for Arnold, i dont think Ive ever seen any footage of him being swolen off season, he's the type that gets thin and once he trains for the O, he knows what the f**k to do and that goes for Levrone too.
the other bad thing going for Prince is that, as you all know, you gotta keep up the heavy weights to hold the muscle, and more important than that is having to keep you protein intake up. When you kidney problems like Prince, you have to keep protein low to protect your kidneys.
....but what the hell is up with his fvcking belly button?????
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these teenagers who you consider muscular are probably not big at all. Why wasn't Frank Zane as big as Lou Ferigno?
You're right, they aren't big at all but steroids have changed the shape and texture of their muscles. That's only with a few dianabol and WITH NO training. Ferrigno is no bigger than Zane without streroids. Ferrigno just takes more.
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not true about Lou... and the shape of their muscles doesn't change because that can never change. only the size.. it's a known fact you can get bigger with steroids than without. everyone knows that.
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So you really believe that this female tennis player is clean? She's bigger than early pictures of Coleman and Ferrigno.
Shall I tell you what the difference between natural and professional bodybuilding is?
It's Money. The pros can afford to buy more drugs.
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If you guys are looking at gear cycles as what makes a pro a pro, you are looking in the wrong direction. The LAST thing that makes a pro a pro is their cycles. The very LAST friggin' thing!!!
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damn that levrone pic always amazes me.the funny thing is that in that pic levrone was training for mr olympia 2002 and in that pic he is 16 weeks out from the olympia.damn these roids do wonders..kevin placed 2nd at the olympia 2002 and its really hard to believe that kev transformed himself from looking like an obese guy to one of the most ripped bodies ever..
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bottom line is this... ANYONE who quits training for a long time gets that way. idiots say it's because they're off the sauce but it's because they're off everything. like i said before get a lifetime natural who's really big and have him quit training for a year...
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bottom line is this... ANYONE who quits training for a long time gets that way. idiots say it's because they're off the sauce but it's because they're off everything. like i said before get a lifetime natural who's really big and have him quit training for a year...
exactly
that 190 pounds or so of natural muscle you built Matt will vanish when you quit training and dieting natural or not
why are you such a hater all of a sudden?
You'll respond saying you're not hating just speaking the truth ::) There is some truth to it yeah but you're becoming true adonis junior
i don't think you are quite as secure as you like to think :-\
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Any women on here find that sh*t attractive? ...He's disgusting and that belly button looks like it exploded. :(
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exactly
that 190 pounds or so of natural muscle you built Matt will vanish when you quit training and dieting natural or not
why are you such a hater all of a sudden?
You'll respond saying you're not hating just speaking the truth ::) There is some truth to it yeah but you're becoming true adonis junior
i don't think you are quite as secure as you like to think :-\
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That is simply not true.
When Steve Reeves left for the army, he didn`t lose size. Nor did many others in that day.
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That is simply not true.
When Steve Reeves left for the army, he didn`t lose size. Nor did many others in that day.
It's tough to lose size when you don't have any.
Hell most men at that time GAINED size in the army.
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That is simply not true.
When Steve Reeves left for the army, he didn`t lose size. Nor did many others in that day.
you have definitive proof of this?
you will once again be a pencilneck geek when you quit training and dieting, that's a fact :-\
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exactly
that 190 pounds or so of natural muscle you built Matt will vanish when you quit training and dieting natural or not
why are you such a hater all of a sudden?
You'll respond saying you're not hating just speaking the truth ::) There is some truth to it yeah but you're becoming true adonis junior
i don't think you are quite as secure as you like to think :-\
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... never thought I'd agree with The Earl, but, the guy is spot on here
Mathew old chum, I do have to ask what is occuring in that mind of yours? Why have you adopted an anti steroid position all of a sudden? why - after previously intimating that you yourself were about to begin a gear cycle (asking - so many times - about gear cycles, safety aspects etc) - why have you now fucked off to the complete other side of the fence?
I think you are projecting somewhat. Is it because you [perhaps] have seen yourself not having the fortitude to follow through with your desired aim of hopping on the juice train? thus rendering a situation wherein you [rather than simply admit its not for you] have decided to go full pelt and attack any and all gear users in an effort to quash any sense of inability on your part?
I believe the answer lies in the fact that you, far from you believing gear is not for you, have infact not been able to reconcile your desire to hit the juice with your [thsufar] inability to follow through on such a plan
To wit:
Matt, stop fucking around! Get yourself hooked up with some quality tackle (at least two cycles worth, shit, come to Europe for an extended holiday if you require) get yourself stocked up with some good food, commit to training for the next six months and GET THE FUCKING JOB DONE!!!
You remind me of when I was in the 'grey area' just before hitting the gear for the first time
My friend, dont shit out, just go for a nice simple Test cycle, say 500mg for 6 weeks, enjoy the improved training, enjoy the increased feeling of well being, and enjoy drenching your girl and her friends more often than you [perhaps] currently are
Seriously, you are a good lad, but all of this bollocks is seriously compromising your image
Dont be a cunt, just fucking do it
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Matt C: why the hell are you so obsessed with steroids? ALL of your posts are about pros using steroids. So what? Everyone knows you can't be a pro without the gear. Get over it.
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... never thought I'd agree with The Earl, but, the guy is spot on here
yes a c u n t like you normally disagrees with facts ;D ;D
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yes a c u n t like you normally disagrees with facts ;D ;D
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Earl, you are usually so wide of the mark, thus, I felt the dazzling insight (contained within your above but one post) had to be highlighted
You are still Kevrones bender greasemonkey though
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monster buying clothes 2 sizes too large:
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LOL! ;D
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yes a c u n t like you normally disagrees with facts ;D ;D
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epic meltdown ;D
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Guys isn't it somewhere in the middle? It is genetics and gear, it is your bodies genetic response to gear. Some people have thousands of testosterone receptors and others just a few. But when all the gear is out of the system the body returns to its normal state. It is a sad fact and I pray that science will figure out a way for us guys to keep the mass we earned and deserve. Could the answer be a cortisol blocker?
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If you guys are looking at gear cycles as what makes a pro a pro, you are looking in the wrong direction. The LAST thing that makes a pro a pro is their cycles. The very LAST friggin' thing!!!
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Arnold at least kept a good build and so did Levrone. Maybe Prince would have been able to if his kidneys didn't die.
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there's a lot of denial in this sport. many competitors deny the drugs matter so much, deny the long-term consequences to organ function and test production, etc. There are also many "yes-men" in this sport, maybe because the athletes are so accessible.
When a pro who doesn't want to admit what he's doing to his body, is continually reinforced by starstruck adults who hang on every word they say, they're obviously going to minimize the drug influence, and try to claim most of the success is from their hard work and diet.
When you consider the heavy juicers are trading 20-40 years of their lives for the high that comes from being the best onstage or most impressive on a message board, you feel more sorry for them than anything else.
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some ppl just like to live life altered or feeling like superman.
makes the work force that much easier for those of us a tad more grounded.
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That is simply not true.
When Steve Reeves left for the army, he didn`t lose size. Nor did many others in that day.
Steve still worked out while in the Army and while overseas he actually found someone to forge him some weights and he paid top dollar for them , he only shrunk for Hollywood because the camera adds weight so they always wanted him smaller .
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It matters what you mean by "genetics". You will probably never be a champion bodybuilder if you aren't naturally symmetrical and well proportioned. You will also have trouble dieting down for contests if you have a slow metabolism, but at the same time it is difficult to build muscle if you have an extremely fast metabolism. All of these things are genetically determined.
Steroids aren't going to make you big and strong if you aren't genetically predisposed to being big and strong. So many bodybuilders lose all their muscle after going clean because they never built a natural base before juicing, but that doesn't mean their physiques were built entirely by steroids. Guys like Tom Prince and Lou Ferrigno would still be huge if they never took steroids and trained drug-free from the very beginning.
In my opinion, strength is the best judge of one's natural genetic ability. The biggest bodybuilders, natural or juiced, are all extremely strong. Weaker and more aesthetic bodybuilders like Frank Zane or Dexter Jackson would probably not be very big without steroids, but monsters like Ronnie and Jay would still dwarf anyone without drugs. It is pure foolishness to think otherwise. Someone on Muscle Mayhem saw Tom Prince do behind the neck presses with 365 lb. That's more than many steroid users can bench press. If you're still struggling to bench 250 and deadlift 400, no amount of steroids will ever put you in the same league as a Lee Haney or a Ronnie Coleman.
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Where the hell is DIVSION inviting Matt over to the dark side? ???
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bottom line is this... ANYONE who quits training for a long time gets that way. idiots say it's because they're off the sauce but it's because they're off everything. like i said before get a lifetime natural who's really big and have him quit training for a year...
I agree. I was up to 185lbs natural/clean in 99', stopped lifting and my diet went to crap. Dropped to 152lbs or so in a year or so. You lose it quick, especially when the diet isn't there. When a pro stops juicing and lifting, it's a double whammy. Loss of gear gains and natural ones...must suck...hahah. I know because losing just 30lbs felt like crap, no less one hundred. Up to 217lbs now though, eclipsing Levrone and Prince. I'm a BEAST!! haha
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If Coleman's genetics are that good then why does he take so much juice?
I've seen pictures of him when he was a footballer yet he was no more muscular than the average guy
Thats absolutely ridiculous. Very, very, very few men could attain a physique like Ronnie Coleman no matter how much gear they took. ::)
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what a stupid argument. Neither of the 3 guys you posted were natural bodybuilders. when they cleaned up they also stopped training and eating a certain way. You think in those pictures Arnold was trying to win any competitions or even trying to grow naturally? This is really stupid. Why don't you get pictures of really big natural bodybuilders and show them a couple of years when they stop training and dieting... same thing.
someone who gets it
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Thats absolutely ridiculous. Very, very, very few men could attain a physique like Ronnie Coleman no matter how much gear they took. ::)
So why does he take so much then? If he's a true genetic freak then he doesn't need to cheat.
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. But when all the gear is out of the system the body returns to its normal state. It is a sad fact and I pray that science will figure out a way for us guys to keep the mass we earned and deserve. Could the answer be a cortisol blocker?
Muscle you "earned" and "deserve"? You pray for something that trivial? No wonder you are nycbull. Does it stand for "bullshit"?
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So why does he take so much then? If he's a true genetic freak then he doesn't need to cheat.
No man is that much of a genetic freak that he can look like Coleman without drugs. It's not humanly possible.
For most of us it's not even possible if we took ten times the amount of drugs Coleman takes. That's where Coleman genetics come in to play.
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So why does he take so much then? If he's a true genetic freak then he doesn't need to cheat.
LOL, monster delusion, brutal 'I'm 130 soaking wet and will never amount to shit... even if I used drugs' jealousy
Fucking tiny tits cretin!
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So why does he take so much then? If he's a true genetic freak then he doesn't need to cheat.
The story goes that Coleman actually got his pro card while still natural WAY back in '91. Back then he in no way resembled the monster he has become.
You could take everyone on this forum and give them exactly what Coleman (or Gunter, or Ruhl, etc.) takes and not one of them would look like him or as good as him. THAT is genetics. There are a zillion wannabe BB'ers who juice and 98% of them STILL SUCK. Either they are small, they are narrow, have short bi's, big waist, shitty chest shape, hi lats, crappy insertions, poor symmetry - the list goes on. THAT is genetics. Drugs won't change any of those shortcomings.
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If Coleman's genetics are that good then why does he take so much juice?
I've seen pictures of him when he was a footballer yet he was no more muscular than the average guy and I doubt the little mass he had for football was natural.
You should probably stop posting on this topic because you're really making yourself sound like an idiot! Coleman was a lot more muscular than the average guy even before he got on the juice.
If you think that anyone could look like that if they just took enough drugs, you're very ignorant. There's a lot of gym rats on "pro" gear cycles who will never win a state competition, let alone turn pro.
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Thats absolutely ridiculous. Very, very, very few men could attain a physique like Ronnie Coleman no matter how much gear they took. ::)
Not true...I disagree...I say there is a "genetic" equivelant to Ronnie Coleman in almost every gym...He just chooses to pursue bodybuilding,while the others do not...How many guys in the NFL could look similiar to Ronnie if they choose to? I'm not taking anything away from Coleman...I'm just saying there are alot of genetic freaks running around...
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I bet 1/2 of high school athletes could be pro bodybuilders with enough gear. Even with their current understanding of training and diet.
I know many pro bodybuilders, and their lack of nutritional understanding is astounding.
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How many guys in the NFL could look similiar to Ronnie if they choose to?
I would say VERY FEW.
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it takes ahelluva lot more then a pin in your ass to be a champion,work ethic,diet,lifestyle,determination,beleivin in yourself when others dont are somethings to take into consideration.genetics smenetics, bodybuilding at the top level takes guts that most of us wouldnt understand,im sure afew of you know what im sayin
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You know what the funniest thing about this sport is? It happens in every gym across this nation daily. It's when natural "holier than thou" guys like Matt C finally decide to go to the "dark side" with anabolics and they end up only 10% bigger and better....and they realize "oh thats all that happens?" "How come Im not exploding into pro size?"
So where do they go from there? The next conspiracy theory in their head is "oh yeah well that huge guy over there in my gym and that huge pro in the magazines must be taking boatloads of juice to get that way".....then Matt C finds himself taking pretty large amounts and still realizes that he is still only 15% better than when he was natural. So whats the next conspiracy theory to make it fit right in your mind? "oh yea well that gigantic guy over there is taking 20 ius of GH a day and alot of insulin too!" and on and on it goes---whatever you need to do to make it feel right in your mind and not take away from your own genetics.
One million people in the United States have admitted to taking steroids. There are 300 million people in the United states, discount the elderly, children and women and that probably leaves you with 70 million males. So roughly one out of every 70 men have used steroids. How many big 300lb behemoths do you see walking around? 1 million? Not even remotely close.
Trust me, youll know when you have pro genetics when your gaining so fast out of the blocks it makes your head spin. Jay Cutler was competing nationally and winning 18 months after he started lifting and was a monster. Where were you after 18 months of lifting? Where was I? Not even close to looking anything like an advanced bodybuilder. Its pretty widely known that Ronnie Coleman won his pro card at the team universe at 228lbs clean roughly 15 years ago. That means an offseason weight of about 270lbs (natural) If Ronnie continued to train clean the last 15 years does anyone doubt that he would of put on at least another 25lbs of muscle mass (AT LEAST!) That would of put him at 253lbs onstage.
I dont know where you guys train or how long youve been in this sport but Ive seen guys with godlike genetics and they just fly by everyone else no matter what they do. You cant make woody allen, Jim Carrey, or pee wee herman into Jay Cutler no matter what ergo aids and dosages you give them and alot of you guys who are pissed off at not reaching a certain level....should maybe be blaming Mom and Pop instead of "that damn juice". Because I am willing to bet if you did do some of "that damn juice" you would end up sorely dissapointed that what you thought you were going to become pales in comparison to the end result. Some of you guys have been on the net for 10 years and have seen millions of posts on bodybuilding boards. How many of those guys that you have seen complaining that they "cant put on enough size" and therefore started using roids exploded into superhuman size and now have a pro card? NONE. Why? Because you put 6'5" Brent Barry and 6'5" Bob Sapp on the same stack and youll have one skinny guy with a little bit of muscle mass and one absolute behemoth of a bodybuilder...........an d the answer to the equation was genetics
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Dante, we're not going to read a book ::)
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heck I shortened it too--that was just the cliff notes
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heck I shortened it too--that was just the cliff notes
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It's good to have you back on getbig
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I wouldnt say "im back"....Ive always been good for about one post every 6 months so I guess you guys wont see me again till december
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I wouldnt say "im back"....Ive always been good for about one post every 6 months so I guess you guys wont see me again till december
Can you put a copy of 'Cycles for Pennies' in my stocking?
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I wouldnt say "im back"....Ive always been good for about one post every 6 months so I guess you guys wont see me again till december
Yeah well, feel free to fuck off again, Matts got his issues and doesnt need the clown prince amongst beef washers getting on his case
SEE MATT? YOU FUCKING CLOWN, ANY REP YOU MAY HAVE HAD IS RAPIDLY GOING TO SHIT
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DONT HAVE THE FUCKING WHEREWITHALL TO GO WITH THAT WHICH YOU WANT TO GO WITH, YOU POSTER OF INCONSISTANT ANTI STEROID PISSANT SHITE!!!!!
Look, get some gear, stop talking undaduterated shite about gear users (that you dont actually believe) and get back to posting about BB from another angle
Thats all
wankers!
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coleman had good gentetics a naturaly big guy prob about 225-245 if he didnt juice, however his body fat would be a bit higher, however juice is deff the magic drug. ive seen kids in my college go on it, get huge then 10 weeks after a cycle there back to there small size and usualy very angry. they take 4 steps forwards, then 5 steps back. id rtather do it the long way and slowly gain my mass naturaly but be able to maintain my body
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coleman had good gentetics a naturaly big guy prob about 225-245 if he didnt juice, however his body fat would be a bit higher, however juice is deff the magic drug. ive seen kids in my college go on it, get huge then 10 weeks after a cycle there back to there small size and usualy very angry. they take 4 steps forwards, then 5 steps back. id rtather do it the long way and slowly gain my mass naturaly but be able to maintain my body
When I hear you say "ive seen kids at my college get huge" the context of "huge" to you and I could be dramatically different. Ive seen this board numerous times have posts about the comedian Carrot Top and how huge he is now. 180 lb guys who turn themselves into 210lb guys and guys like carrot top arent my idea of huge
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When I hear you say "ive seen kids at my college get huge" the context of "huge" to you and I could be dramatically different. Ive seen this board numerous times have posts about the comedian Carrot Top and how huge he is now. 180 lb guys who turn themselves into 210lb guys and guys like carrot top isnt my idea of huge
hey Dante post that pic of you in the tuxedo, we all need a good laugh, monster 48 inch waist.
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Its pretty widely known that Ronnie Coleman won his pro card at the team universe at 228lbs clean roughly 15 years ago. That means an offseason weight of about 270lbs (natural) If Ronnie continued to train clean the last 15 years does anyone doubt that he would of put on at least another 25lbs of muscle mass (AT LEAST!) That would of put him at 253lbs onstage.
Dante, your'e full of it
So, lets use your lower set of figures (228/270) we can see that Ron has - after using ALL THE FUCKING GEAR IN ALL OF THE FUCKING WORLD......
managed to...
........ put on 50lbs of mass?
Thats even before we employ your upper figures wherein you state Ron could have been 253 ON STAGE, thus only gaining 30lbs from ALL THE FUCKING GEAR IN ALL OF THE FUCKING WORLD
Yeah ok, Sugar
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You know what the funniest thing about this sport is? It happens in every gym across this nation daily. It's when natural "holier than thou" guys like Matt C finally decide to go to the "dark side" with anabolics and they end up only 10% bigger and better....and they realize "oh thats all that happens?" "How come Im not exploding into pro size?"
So where do they go from there? The next conspiracy theory in their head is "oh yeah well that huge guy over there in my gym and that huge pro in the magazines must be taking boatloads of juice to get that way".....then Matt C finds himself taking pretty large amounts and still realizes that he is still only 15% better than when he was natural. So whats the next conspiracy theory to make it fit right in your mind? "oh yea well that gigantic guy over there is taking 20 ius of GH a day and alot of insulin too!" and on and on it goes---whatever you need to do to make it feel right in your mind and not take away from your own genetics.
One million people in the United States have admitted to taking steroids. There are 300 million people in the United states, discount the elderly, children and women and that probably leaves you with 70 million males. So roughly one out of every 70 men have used steroids. How many big 300lb behemoths do you see walking around? 1 million? Not even remotely close.
Trust me, youll know when you have pro genetics when your gaining so fast out of the blocks it makes your head spin. Jay Cutler was competing nationally and winning 18 months after he started lifting and was a monster. Where were you after 18 months of lifting? Where was I? Not even close to looking anything like an advanced bodybuilder. Its pretty widely known that Ronnie Coleman won his pro card at the team universe at 228lbs clean roughly 15 years ago. That means an offseason weight of about 270lbs (natural) If Ronnie continued to train clean the last 15 years does anyone doubt that he would of put on at least another 25lbs of muscle mass (AT LEAST!) That would of put him at 253lbs onstage.
I dont know where you guys train or how long youve been in this sport but Ive seen guys with godlike genetics and they just fly by everyone else no matter what they do. You cant make woody allen, Jim Carrey, or pee wee herman into Jay Cutler no matter what ergo aids and dosages you give them and alot of you guys who are pissed off at not reaching a certain level....should maybe be blaming Mom and Pop instead of "that damn juice". Because I am willing to bet if you did do some of "that damn juice" you would end up sorely dissapointed that what you thought you were going to become pales in comparison to the end result. Some of you guys have been on the net for 10 years and have seen millions of posts on bodybuilding boards. How many of those guys that you have seen complaining that they "cant put on enough size" and therefore started using roids exploded into superhuman size and now have a pro card? NONE. Why? Because you put 6'5" Brent Barry and 6'5" Bob Sapp on the same stack and youll have one skinny guy with a little bit of muscle mass and one absolute behemoth of a bodybuilder...........an d the answer to the equation was genetics
If Ronnie did indeed win his procard at 228 clean, and it puts his off season weight(that year) at 270, does that mean that he has gained less than 4 lbs per year (off season) for the last 15 years, after taking more drugs than anyone on here can fathom? That just dosn't make any sense...furthermore, while there are many males that are willing to admit they took steroids at one time or another, how many will admit to ABUSING them? The real question is, how many of them have the balls to take the amounts of gear he uses? ...Take any linemen in the NFL, put him on the same gear, have him train and eat like it his job, and there would be a stage full of Ronnie Colemans...
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hey Dante post that pic of you in the tuxedo, we all need a good laugh, monster 48 inch waist.
No problem, can we post up that pic of your 20 inch guns (well when you add the right and left measurements together I mean)
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If Ronnie did indeed win his procard at 228 clean, and it puts his off season weight(that year) at 270, does that mean that he has gained less than 4 lbs per year (off season) for the last 15 years, after taking more drugs than anyone on here can fathom? That just dosn't make any sense...furthermore, while there are many males that are willing to admit they took steroids at one time or another, how many will admit to ABUSING them? The real question is, how many of them have the balls to take the amounts of gear he uses? ...Take any linemen in the NFL, put him on the same gear, have him train and eat like it his job, and there would be a stage full of Ronnie Colemans...
i'd go one step further and say that there would be a stage full of guys who absolutely DWARF Ronnie Coleman.
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No problem, can we post up that pic of your 20 inch guns (well when you add the right and left measurements together I mean)
Hey, just before you piss off to give your Cow a nice pre-teatime bath or whatever shite you like to engage in, answer these gems:
Its pretty widely known that Ronnie Coleman won his pro card at the team universe at 228lbs clean roughly 15 years ago. That means an offseason weight of about 270lbs (natural) If Ronnie continued to train clean the last 15 years does anyone doubt that he would of put on at least another 25lbs of muscle mass (AT LEAST!) That would of put him at 253lbs onstage.
Dante, your'e full of it
So, lets use your lower set of figures (228/270) we can see that Ron has - after using ALL THE FUCKING GEAR IN ALL OF THE FUCKING WORLD......
managed to...
........ put on 50lbs of mass?
Thats even before we employ your upper figures wherein you state Ron could have been 253 ON STAGE, thus only gaining 30lbs from ALL THE FUCKING GEAR IN ALL OF THE FUCKING WORLD
Yeah ok, Sugar
We wont wait
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I agree...
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No problem, can we post up that pic of your 20 inch guns (well when you add the right and left measurements together I mean)
ok tubby, are you still telling all of your hypnosis victims....i mean trainees drinking the protein that you conveniently sell, hahahaha, monster ethics.
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i'd go one step further and say that there would be a stage full of guys who absolutely DWARF Ronnie Coleman.
Sarcasm, tell us, as you have [honourably] admitted to your previous gear use, tell us, did you [as one might expect] gain well? perhaps on the order or 20lbs+ from your first cycle? or, AS PER DANTES PREVIOUS POSTS, did you gain Colemanesque gains on the order of, oh I dont know, 0.0099981lbs maybe? perhaps? fuck knows, I mean, Colemans only a freak with great juice genetics, f**k knows what we were thinking eh?
20lbs per gear cycle as an AVERAGE gain for most users? yeah ok, we are SO fucking wrong, perhaps we imagined all the nice new mass ::)
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Hey, just before you piss off to give your Cow a nice pre-teastime bath ot whatever shite you like to engage in, answer these gems:
Dante, your'e full of it
So, lets use your lower set of figures (228/270) we can see that Ron has - after using ALL THE FUCKING GEAR IN ALL OF THE FUCKING WORLD......
managed to...
........ put on 50lbs of mass?
Thats even before we employ your upper figures wherein you state Ron could have been 253 ON STAGE, thus only gaining 30lbs from ALL THE FUCKING GEAR IN ALL OF THE FUCKING WORLD
Yeah ok, Sugar
We wont wait
Where are you getting your figures? He showed up at the Russian Grand Prix at 300lbs and was 296 at his largest Olympia win. I talked to his training partner last week and he said he is coming in at 300 this year so your figures are a little off (well way off)
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Sarcasm, tell us, as you have [honourably] admitted to your previous gear use, tell us, did you [as one might expect] gain well, perhaps on the order or 20lbs+ from you first cycle? or, AS PER DANTES PREVIOUS POSTS, did you gain Colemanesque gains on the order of, oh I dont know, 0.0099981lbs maybe? perhaps? f**k knows, I mean, Colemans only a freak with great juice genetics, f**k knows what we were thinking eh?
20lbs per gear cycle as an AVERAGE gain for most users? yeah ok, we are SO fucking wrong, perhaps we imagined all the nice new mass ::)
i did my first cycle in the fall of 99 at age 27, 5'11" 220lbs., i was 242 by March 2000, i used 500mg. Sustenon/week and 5 pink d-bols per day.
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Where are you getting your figures? He showed up at the Russian Grand Prix at 300lbs and was 296 at his largest Olympia win. I talked to his training partner last week and he said he is coming in at 300 this year so your figures are a little off (well way off)
I took the figures from one of your above posts, as quoted, you spastic cunt
You previously claimed that Ronnie - if remaining natural - could have turned up on stage at 250+, thus you [DE FUCKING FACTO] claim that Ron has only - USING ALL THE FUCKING GEAR IN THE WORLD - been able to put on a PISS POOR 40-50lbs TO ARRIVE AT A JUICED BODYWEIGHT OF 300LBS
Shit, I appreciate that beef washing may be in diametric opposition to mathamatical ability, but, you really need to think before hitting number lock
wanker!
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i did my first cycle in the fall of 99 at age 27, 5'11" 220lbs., i was 242 by March 2000, i used 500mg. Sustenon/week and 5 pink d-bols per day.
Precisely, YET, Dante dogshit would have us believe that Ronnie - after using high doses of IFG1Lr3, GH, Insulin, Interleukins, and all manner of other shite (schmoe sperm etc) - has only managed to cobble together marginally more gains than your fragrant self?
Yeah ok, what a slag!
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Precisely, YET, Dante dogshit would have us believe that Ronnie - after using high doses of IFG1lr3, GH, Insulin, Interleukins, and all manner of other shite (schmoe sperm etc) - has only managed to cobbled together marginally more gains than fragrant self?
Yeah ok, what a slag!
Dante's a moron who has been on mayhem too long where they all think it's about how much chicken and rice you eat ::) i consider myself pretty average genetically and i even put on 20 pounds, Ronnie would be 215 completely natural.
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300lbs and 253lbs (which was just speculation, I have no idea what he would be and you dont either) arent a big difference in your book?
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Dante's a moron who has been on mayhem too long where they all think it's about how much chicken and rice you eat ::) i consider myself pretty average genetically and i even put on 20 pounds, Ronnie would be 215 completely natural.
Exactly, shit, what next? Paul Dillets 'how to gain 15lbs in a year with Test/Anadrol/IGFand Insulin'
For fucks sake, did Dante read that crap before posting it?
Piss off back to Mayhem, someone 'might' give a fuck, failing that, I can start a thread about some cunt that sells eggwhites or some other shit?
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yea 300lbs ::)
True Adonis said he talked to Ronnie at an expo once and Ronnie said his heaviest he was 262 on stage, and supplement companies inflate the numbers.
You are pulling shit out of your ass if you think Ronnie could 253lbs ripped naturally.
monster honesty.
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300lbs and 253lbs (which was just speculation, I have no idea what he would be and you dont either) arent a big difference in your book?
You speculated that Ron - if he had remained natural - would have grown to 253, thus, DE CUNTING FACTO, you believe Ron would have/has put on [based on the 253 hypothesis] only 40-50lbs (47lbs in this case) once gear had been introduced to the equation
www.sesamestreet.com (http://www.sesamestreet.com)
Just face it, you pulled the bullshit 253 figure out of your arse as part of your condescending 'look at me' post to Matt earlier
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Garreath claims he has 254lbs of muscle. hahahaha
hahaha, even at 242 i was FAR MORE than 18 percent, i'm man enough to admit that, i was pretty fat at that weight.
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yea 300lbs ::)
True Adonis said he talked to Ronnie at an expo once and Ronnie said his heaviest he was 262 on stage, and supplement companies inflate the numbers.
You are pulling shit out of your ass if you think Ronnie could 253lbs ripped naturally.
They did official weigh ins at the Ironman a couple years back and 5'8" Tom Prince weighed in at 276lbs and 6'2" Mohamed Anouti weighed in at 279lbs, are you going to say a 5'11" Ronnie is smaller than those guys? No way
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I went from 210 to 260 in a year naturally...then from 260 to 310 in another year w/ drugs (bout 18% bf the whole time - never dieted). Does this mean I'm a genetic god? ::)
Your'e a fucking hunk of a man, dont underestimate your ability to turn straight guys on yourself
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They did official weigh ins at the Ironman a couple years back and 5'8" Tom Prince weighed in at 276lbs and 6'2" Mohamed Anouti weighed in at 279lbs, are you going to say a 5'11" Ronnie is smaller than those guys? No way
shit, we are on the ropes now lads
Note the TOTAL avoidance of the natural/juiced bodyweight claims
FFS, Dante, everyone knows TP is allergic to scales, True Adonis OWNED the dialysis loving wanker on that very issue
Just admit you pulled the figures out of your arse, then run along
nobody here gives a fuck either way,
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shit, we are on the ropes now lads
Note the TOTAL avoidance of the natural/juiced bodyweight claims
FFS, Dante, everyone knows TP is allergic to scales, True Adonis OWNED the dialysis loving wanker on that very issue
Just admit you pulled the figures out of your arse, then run along
nobody here gives a f]uck either way,
plus Tom had about 10 pounds of clothes on in that weighin, that was the one where all the competitors wore the big max Muscle long sleeved jerseys, sweatpants and shoes, plus Tom has a HUGE bone structure, much bigger than Ronnies so a lot of Toms weight is there.
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2004oly_ian_mro39.jpg)
If Ronnie is 5' 11" then Arnold must be 6' 5"
Shit, next you will be saying: 'hey doesnt ronnie look small next to a WAY UNDER 300lb Arnie and Triple HHH? even though they have suits on, I dont believe Ron is anywhere near 300lbs
Heaven forfend that anyone would make such a statement for fear of the little Colemaniacs running to the defence of their Speak and Spell loving moron idol
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shit, we are on the ropes now lads
Note the TOTAL avoidance of the natural/juiced bodyweight claims
FFS, Dante, everyone knows TP is allergic to scales, True Adonis OWNED the dialysis loving wanker on that very issue
Just admit you pulled the figures out of your arse, then run along
nobody here gives a fuck either way,
Im not avoiding anything, you just dont make sense. You look at 47lbs of muscle mass like its pitiful. If a guy trained for 10 years natural and was 210 onstage ripped and then juiced and was 257lbs onstage he would be absolutely monstrous. 47lbs is incredible especially when its all muscle mass. Ronnie trained for a heck of a long time clean and built up a great deal of muscle mass clean. There is a huge difference between jumping on a stack in your second year of lifting and jumping on a stack after lifting clean for 10 years. There would of been a natural progression of things anyway
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Im not avoiding anything, you just dont make sense. You look at 47lbs of muscle mass like its pitiful. If a guy trained for 10 years natural and was 210 onstage ripped and then juiced and was 257lbs onstage he would be absolutely monstrous. 47lbs is incredible especially when its all muscle mass. Ronnie trained for a heck of a long time clean and built up a great deal of muscle mass clean. There is a huge difference between jumping on a stack in your second year of lifting and jumping on a stack after lifting clean for 10 years. There would of been a natural progression of things anyway
OK, sit yourself down, change your [now dark orange] pissbag and listen
You claimed Ron would have a realistic off-season bodyweight of 270 if he had remained natural, fine...
... what is Rons current off-season bodyweight again?
At this point, you might now want to revise your line re: 'hey, 50lbs of muscle and fat gain from gear is a tremendous gain' although, I could care less if you want to make such a claim, you will only succeed in making yourself look quite the olympic level retard cunt
Please come back for a fourth time and tell us these figures have gone over your head
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Tom Prince is built like a cow without the cuts.
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OK, sit yourself down, change your [now dark orange] pissbag and listen
You claimed Ron would have a realistic off-season bodyweight of 270 if he had remained natural, fine...
... what is Rons current off-season bodyweight again?
At this point, you might now want to revise your line re: 'hey, 50lbs of muscle and fat gain from gear is a tremendous gain' although, I could care less if you want to make such a claim, you will only succeed in making yourself look quite the olympic level retard cunt
Please come back for a fourth time and tell us these figures have gone over your head
330lbs offseason now....Im speculating he was 270 or so when he dieted down to 228 and probably was alot smoother than his 330 now if he is coming in at 300....your point? because you dont seem to have one. Your talking about the elite of genetics here where it really doesnt apply in the general sense of things
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Out of curiosity, does anyone on here consider training to be a more important factor in bodybuilding than hormones?
On mayhem, that point of view seems to prevail where they want to attribute all their gains to juice.
To which I would respond: train naturally and compete. Simple.
Jesus Matt, sometime you really do come across as a guy that has NEVER used (funny that, eh ;) )
Matt, its ALL fucking important, the food, the training, the gear and the hot tranny action
THE THREE PILLARS
But, you cannot make a silk purse form a sows ear my friend
(BTW, shit supps from Dante are not part of the essentials)
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Jesus Matt, sometime you really do come across as a guy that has NEVER used (funny that, eh ;) )
Matt, its ALL fucking important, the food, the training, the gear and the hot tranny action
THE THREE PILLARS
But, you cannot make a silk purse form a sows ear my friend
(BTW, shit supps from Dante are not part of the essentials)
you mean "True Protein" isn't better than every other whey protein out there? ::)
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you mean "True Protein" isn't better than every other whey protein out there? ::)
Sarcasm you have a serious case of menstipation.
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330lbs offseason now....Im speculating he was 270 or so when he dieted down to 228 and probably was alot smoother than his 330 now if he is coming in at 300....your point? because you dont seem to have one. Your talking about the elite of genetics here where it really doesnt apply in the general sense of things
JESUS, YOU HAVE JUST REPEATED MY POINT, WELL DONE, YOU HAVE NOW WON THE GOLD IN THE SIMPLETON 4X4 MEDLAY
You speculated Ron to have been 270.. natural, thus, you are de facto stating that Ron has only managed to put on 50lbs of mass (fat and muscle, based on an off-season weight of 320lb that we are all aware of)
MONSTER GAINS!!!!
BRUTAL BEEF WASHING SPAS!!!!!
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Here is a picture of Ronnie at the 1991 Nationals when he passed the drug test:
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1588&stc=1)
Looks awesome and he is natural! :o :o
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Here is a picture of Ronnie at the 1991 Nationals when he passed the drug test:
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1588&stc=1)
what a shame he looked incredible there.
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(BTW, shit supps from Dante are not part of the essentials)
Well since Trueprotein's customer list is a who's who of professional bodybuilders, national bodybuilders, and professional and college sports athletes, I have to tend to disagree with you. But hey this whole thread for you has been about "hey look at all the cussing i can do guys, aint I cool?" anyway so I wont give it a second thought
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Here is a picture of Ronnie at the 1991 Nationals when he passed the drug test:
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1588&stc=1)
Matt, PM me a secure address, I fucking swear I am going to send you some Iranian test and Russian D'Bol
You will have to arrange the hot tranny, BUT BY CHRIST, you need a fucking break, really!!!!
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Well since Trueprotein's customer list is a who's who of professional bodybuilders, national bodybuilders, and professional and college sports athletes, I have to tend to disagree with you. But hey this whole thread for you has been about "hey look at all the cussing i can do guys, aint I cool?" anyway so I wont give it a second thought
come on you know that pro bodybuilders are the biggest paranoid copycats out there, one top guy takes something and the rest don't want to feel like they're at a disadvantage so they take it too regardless of whether they see anything from it.
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Well since Trueprotein's customer list is a who's who of professional bodybuilders, national bodybuilders, and professional and college sports athletes, I have to tend to disagree with you. But hey this whole thread for you has been about "hey look at all the cussing i can do guys, aint I cool?" anyway so I wont give it a second thought
LOL, caught you, thanks for obliging
Right, tell us just 'why' your shite is better that the rest? come on, lets get into the powders you use, the companies you buy from, your EXTREME mark ups, in short, all the stuff I know about the industry and will gladly make you look a cuntbox over
LOL, shit, I bet your idiot customers think you actually make the stuff in your fucking warehouse rather than buying in from whichever dairy you use? or do you pull the line re: 'but our products have a better range of added micronutrients'
Hahahahaha, oh brother, gayer than rimming fairy cakes by the pool with Liberace
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ok, I'll get right on that. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=74597.0;attach=82504;image)
Sorry Adam, I just...just had to. ;D
I always thought that dude had a remarkable similarity to Sarah Young:
(http://www.netcountry.dk/model%2012_files/image004.jpg)
Forward that package on to me...here's your trannie(s):
http://www.wpse.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/G_Display.asp?iCategoryUnq=61
Five of them...bleh
Nice selection there:
(http://www.wpse.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/127553/1708/1/1/hot_girls/Chicks_With_Dicks_-_Kylee.jpg)
I would!!
-edit- even Vinces ball area is looking good, WOW!!!!
Garraeth, you bandwidth tight ass! LOL-edit-
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An observation here...
It seems like many people that juice say roids aren't a big factor. While those that don't juice say they are a very big factor.
The truth is probably somewhere inbetween.
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ok, I'll get right on that. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=74597.0;attach=82504;image)
Sorry Adam, I just...just had to. ;D
if adonis quits traing for 6 months he will once again look like that
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if adonis quits traing for 6 months he will once again look like that
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Which one?
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/genetics/Prince-ES03j%5B1%5D.jpg)
"Quaid! Start the reactor!!!!!"
(http://www.warpedimage.com/warpedbg/quato-hq.jpg)
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If Ronnie did indeed win his procard at 228 clean, and it puts his off season weight(that year) at 270, does that mean that he has gained less than 4 lbs per year (off season) for the last 15 years, after taking more drugs than anyone on here can fathom? That just dosn't make any sense...furthermore, while there are many males that are willing to admit they took steroids at one time or another, how many will admit to ABUSING them? The real question is, how many of them have the balls to take the amounts of gear he uses? ...Take any linemen in the NFL, put him on the same gear, have him train and eat like it his job, and there would be a stage full of Ronnie Colemans...
This is so true. There are people out there, who have far better genetics than Coleman, but we will never know because they never chose to live the lifestyle of a pro bodybuilder. Who knows, Einstein could have had better genes for building muscle than Coleman, but he chose a life of science. (Maybe he should have put his mind into developing a anabolic drug with no side effects).
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hahahahahah How did I miss this gem.
Duchaine is back, The Squad owning fat Dante`. hahahahahah
I will have to put my 2 cents in when I wake up.....
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plus Tom had about 10 pounds of clothes on in that weighin, that was the one where all the competitors wore the big max Muscle long sleeved jerseys, sweatpants and shoes, plus Tom has a HUGE bone structure, much bigger than Ronnies so a lot of Toms weight is there.
He doesn't look like he has a huge bone structure, based on the pictures of him off steroids.
Here's some examples of olympic weightlifters with 'huge' bone structures:
Serge Reding - 315lbs at 5'8"
(http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/7342/73wc2.jpg)
Sultan Rakmanov
(http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/7342/Rak2.jpg)
Bill Kaz is an example of a powerlifter with a big frame.
Paul Anderson had a giant hip structure (obviously useless to bodybuilding). His leg size genetics are unmatched, imagine him on anabolics.
(http://www.cbass.com/IMAGES/ANDERS~1.JPG)
Tom Prince was just a average boned guy who responded well to anabolics.
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There are a lot of things genetics control, allmost everything, so yes it's mostly genetic.
What is genetic?
Muscle size
body structure
response to juice
muscle definition
muscle type
etc
some factors are character trades and therefore a large part genetic:
Perseverance
dedication
What genetic advantage does RC have over 99% of the rest of the world?
good response to juice, that means he can get very big ( the quantity factor)
good muscle definition and bone structure (the quality factor)
some people have one of these genetic predispositions aswell, or both but to a lesser extent.
take Big Ron off the juice and he would be a lot smaller, but still have a very good physique.
So yes it's genetics but genetics and juice are both part of the same equation! The juice brings out the genetics so to speak.
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hahahahahah How did I miss this gem.
Duchaine is back, The Squad owning fat Dante`. hahahahahah
I will have to put my 2 cents in when I wake up.....
You do realize that 4 posts up there is a picture of you looking like a reject from a "Barry Manilow lookalike" contest groping a transvestite?
As much bullshitting as youve done on all your years on the net, your opinion holds as much weight as the drunk hobo hanging out at the dumpster at 7 11.
Now go back to singing "Oh mandy"
And no I still wont take you on as a trainee, get over it...I rejected you and it burns you up to this day. "Character of person" is part of the equation and your wearing a leather helmet and sitting in the short bus on that front
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Nothing like Getbig to get even Dante to try his hand at some owning. TA has owned you more times than a pawned VCR, Dante, nice try though.
Dante, your words would carry alot more weight if you would just own up to some things.
Admit that your DC training program is simply a take off of HIT trainining which was pioneered by Mentzer back when you were watching Gilligan's Island reruns after school.
Stretching was incorporated by Parillo back when you were still taking pics of yourself at a buck forty eight in your tighty whiteys.
There is no science behind food combinations or carbohydrate timing. This can and will never be proved. That way is not superior or cutting edge or whatever you want to call it, it's just something you do to justify the 5 bills you charge your customers.
Rinsing ground beef in the sink is stupid.
Drinking olive oil to "get over humps" is stupid.
Consuming 500+ grams of protein is overkill. We won't go in to the amount of posts and threads of scrawny kids on your website that posted their diets all with insane amounts of protein.
Hanging from a chin rack with a weight in your lap will NOT increase your back width. Show me any proof that changing grip/width or whatever else you want to do will cause your back to grow in any different shape than it is genetically predispositioned to. Pulldowns are pulldowns, chins are chins big guy. (and don't post the damn bird wing study) ::)
Come clean Dante >:(
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I am also tired of people saying If this guy weren't on steroids he wouldn't win a state show. Maybe... BUT remember the guys who DO win are on steroids... If everyone's on. you gotta be on too. But that's the whole point. Everyone's doing it so the playing field is level as far as juice goes.
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I went from 210 to 260 in a year naturally...then from 260 to 310 in another year w/ drugs (bout 18% bf the whole time - never dieted). Does this mean I'm a genetic god? ::)
Garraeth, how much of those two 50 pounds gains were actually muscle?
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yea 300lbs ::)
True Adonis said he talked to Ronnie at an expo once and Ronnie said his heaviest he was 262 on stage, and supplement companies inflate the numbers.
You are pulling shit out of your ass if you think Ronnie could 253lbs ripped naturally.
dude so ur saying that coleman was not 287lbs and 296lbs onstage at the olympia 2003 and 2004..come on man.ronnie looked so small at the olympia 2002 and he was 247lbs...compare his 2003 and 2002 form and u do see a major difference..coleman was big thick and full virutually everywhere during his 2003 olympia win and its easy to say that coleman looked 280lbs plus.it was all in the magazines and various web sites...coleman is a 280lbs ripped mass freak
UR A FUCKIN LIAR AND SO AS ADONIS
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Nothing like Getbig to get even Dante to try his hand at some owning. TA has owned you more times than a pawned VCR, Dante, nice try though.
Dante, your words would carry alot more weight if you would just own up to some things.
Admit that your DC training program is simply a take off of HIT trainining which was pioneered by Mentzer back when you were watching Gilligan's Island reruns after school.
Stretching was incorporated by Parillo back when you were still taking pics of yourself at a buck forty eight in your tighty whiteys.
There is no science behind food combinations or carbohydrate timing. This can and will never be proved. That way is not superior or cutting edge or whatever you want to call it, it's just something you do to justify the 5 bills you charge your customers.
Rinsing ground beef in the sink is stupid.
Drinking olive oil to "get over humps" is stupid.
Consuming 500+ grams of protein is overkill. We won't go in to the amount of posts and threads of scrawny kids on your website that posted their diets all with insane amounts of protein.
Hanging from a chin rack with a weight in your lap will NOT increase your back width. Show me any proof that changing grip/width or whatever else you want to do will cause your back to grow in any different shape than it is genetically predispositioned to. Pulldowns are pulldowns, chins are chins big guy. (and don't post the damn bird wing study) ::)
Come clean Dante >:(
ROFLMAO.....Owning of Cataclysmic Proportions. This sums it all up. Count Grishnackh has now earned full-time membership in THE SQUAD.
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dude so ur saying that coleman was not 287lbs and 296lbs onstage at the olympia 2003 and 2004..come on man.ronnie looked so small at the olympia 2002 and he was 247lbs...compare his 2003 and 2002 form and u do see a major difference..coleman was big thick and full virutually everywhere during his 2003 olympia win and its easy to say that coleman looked 280lbs plus.it was all in the magazines and various web sites...coleman is a 280lbs ripped mass freak
UR A FUCKIN LIAR AND SO AS ADONIS
I am not lying. Other people were there that heard it including Noah Steere. Noah reads the boards but does not post. Noah, if oyu read this, please post what Ronnie said about his weight on stage being 255.
I am not making this up.....This is straight from the man himself.
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Noah Steere also Dwarfed Ronnie and he was between 300-350 (Noah`s words). He literally dwarfed him in Thickness,Width and of course height.
That is some perspective.
Noah is one cool cat, he instantly recognized me and was like, "Oh Fuck, The True Adonis". hahahahahahha
I asked him, " What do you make of Tom Prince claiming to weigh 230 lbs at 5-8 percent". He started laughing and said, "No Fucking Way".
We took a few pictures and I tried to get him to do the thumbs up pose, hahahah he was like I`m not going to let them tear into me (them being Getbiggers).
I can safely say that Noah is one bodybuilder that nobody has anything bad to say about.
We also talked a bit about the whole sport in general. Judging etc....I asked him what his plans and thoughts were. He went on to say, "I`m getting kind of sick of it all". I then replied, "Is it worth it?" He then said,"Is any of it worth it?".
He then gave me his screen name and told me to keep in touch.....Like an idiot I forgot to write it down. Noah is definitely Squad Material and also gets a Lifetime membership should he start to post.
We also talked about "Gayhem, and how gay it was." hahhahah
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Nothing like Getbig to get even Dante to try his hand at some owning. TA has owned you more times than a pawned VCR, Dante, nice try though.
Dante, your words would carry alot more weight if you would just own up to some things.
Admit that your DC training program is simply a take off of HIT trainining which was pioneered by Mentzer back when you were watching Gilligan's Island reruns after school.
Stretching was incorporated by Parillo back when you were still taking pics of yourself at a buck forty eight in your tighty whiteys.
There is no science behind food combinations or carbohydrate timing. This can and will never be proved. That way is not superior or cutting edge or whatever you want to call it, it's just something you do to justify the 5 bills you charge your customers.
Rinsing ground beef in the sink is stupid.
Drinking olive oil to "get over humps" is stupid.
Consuming 500+ grams of protein is overkill. We won't go in to the amount of posts and threads of scrawny kids on your website that posted their diets all with insane amounts of protein.
Hanging from a chin rack with a weight in your lap will NOT increase your back width. Show me any proof that changing grip/width or whatever else you want to do will cause your back to grow in any different shape than it is genetically predispositioned to. Pulldowns are pulldowns, chins are chins big guy. (and don't post the damn bird wing study) ::)
Come clean Dante >:(
Fucking hell, if you add in some curse words, pretentious latinisms and a few condescending putdowns that only an English Lord can give, then, it could almost seem as if I had written the above post
Top post, all valid points, of which, Dante will avoid every single one
fucking meat slinging wanker
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Noah Steere also Dwarfed Ronnie and he was between 300-350 (Noah`s words). He literally dwarfed him in Thickness,Width and of course height.
That is some perspective.
Noah is one cool cat, he instantly recognized me and was like, "Oh f**k, The True Adonis". hahahahahahha
I asked him, " What do you make of Tom Prince claiming to weigh 230 lbs at 5-8 percent". He started laughing and said, "No Fucking Way".
We took a few pictures and I tried to get him to do the thumbs up pose, hahahah he was like I`m not going to let them tear into me (them being Getbiggers).
I can safely say that Noah is one bodybuilder that nobody has anything bad to say about.
We also talked a bit about the whole sport in general. Judging etc....I asked him what his plans and thoughts were. He went on to say, "I`m getting kind of sick of it all". I then replied, "Is it worth it?" He then said,"Is any of it worth it?".
He then gave me his screen name and told me to keep in touch.....Like an idiot I forgot to write it down. Noah is definitely Squad Material and also gets a Lifetime membership should he start to post.
We also talked about "Mayhem, and how gay it was." hahhahah
Thats pretty cool little man.
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Thats pretty cool little man.
Yes it is.
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Noah was a really nice guy...and he was HUGE...he definitely dwarfed Ronnie. :)
I was surprised about Ronnie....even I was taller than him. It's quite an illusion when they stand alone on stage.
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Take any linemen in the NFL, put him on the same gear, have him train and eat like it his job, and there would be a stage full of Ronnie Colemans...
Uhh, not that long ago, many linemen in the NFL were taking the same gear, and I never saw anyone looking like Coleman.
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sure they were taking the same gear as ronnie "unskinny"
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Noah was a really nice guy...and he was HUGE...he definitely dwarfed Ronnie. :)
I was surprised about Ronnie....even I was taller than him. It's quite an illusion when they stand alone on stage.
yeah okay ::)
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sure they were taking the same gear as ronnie "unskinny"
OK, so maybe no GH or slin, but gear is gear, and there isn't any secret stuff (except what Balco guys take). WinV, Tren, Test, Primo - you don't think pro athletes take the same shit as pro BB'ers? ::) The quantity maybe different...
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OK, so maybe no GH or slin, but gear is gear, and there isn't any secret stuff (except what Balco guys take). WinV, Tren, Test, Primo - you don't think pro athletes take the same shit as pro BB'ers? ::) The quantity maybe different...
Thats correct, they have all been using the same crap since about 85 with GH, and mid 90s with IGF - of one varient or another, other than that, schmoe sperm may have some anabolic properties?
The only difference between the guys from other iron type endeavours and bodybuilders is, that bodybuilders enjoy pumping themselves into 300+lbs of non functional bags of sarcoplasmic shit, God bless them
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Why do self proclaimed gurus do this? They make up something radical seemingly because it sells (?), despite no science being behind it.
Not entirely true
Beradi is hardly a self proclaimed guru, he subscribes to the notion of food combinations (avoiding insulin spiking foods for fat loss etc) Lyle McDonald on the other hand doesnt
Who is correct? Lyle obviously, Beradis a cunt, but you get the point?
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dante knows his shit guys, and is bigger then most on getbig. fuck i hate how people talk about owning on the internet. your on the internet you fag, stop pretending to be cool, and stop spending all your time " chatting " on the board were you feel important.
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dante knows his shit guys, and is bigger then most on getbig. f**k i hate how people talk about owning on the internet. your on the internet you fag, stop pretending to be cool, and stop spending all your time " chatting " on the board were you feel important.
I think you will find that Dante was all up for mixing it - unfortunately he decided to mix it with folks far and away beyond his game
It wasnt until he realised he was in way over his neck with intellectual giants such as TA, Mars and moi, that he packed his argumentative bags and fucked off sharpish
Listen, you dont piss in the big boys pool, ok sonny?
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It wasnt until he realised he was in way over his neck with intellectual giants such as TA, Mars and moi, that he packed his argumentative bags and fucked off sharpish
LMAO!! I literally laughed out loud on that one ;D
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I think you will find that Dante was all up for mixing it - unfortunately he decided to mix it with folks far and away beyond his game
It wasnt until he realised he was in way over his neck with intellectual giants such as TA, Mars and moi, that he packed his argumentative bags and fucked off sharpish
Listen, you dont piss in the big boys pool, ok sonny?
Actually I was just kind of getting bored with it all.....but whatever makes you feel awesome about yourself works for me. You fine sir are truly the baddest MFer 21.95 internet access can buy....now let me get back to doing something a little more important....(which is cleaning my desktop)
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Actually I was just kind of getting bored with it all.....but whatever makes you feel awesome about yourself works for me. You fine sir are truly the baddest MFer 21.95 internet access can buy....now let me get back to doing something a little more important....(which is cleaning my desktop)
Either way Dante`, there never has been a natural bodybuilder under 6 ft, over 220 lbs completely ripped. You can`t name one, nobody can name one. You have never trained one, Nobody has ever trained one.
Wake the fuck up.
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Either way Dante`, there never has been a natural bodybuilder under 6 ft, over 220 lbs completely ripped. You can`t name one, nobody can name one. You have never trained one, Nobody has ever trained one.
Wake the f**k up.
Dante trains plenty of guys who are 5'10" 330lbs. at 60 percent bodyfat and can press 350 on Smith machine inclines with rest pause reps and static contraction, hahahaha, monster soft ass p.ussy training.
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Dave Henry was in the low 160s when he was competed in the nationals:
http://www.repetrope.com/men/competitors/detail.asp?CompetitorID=2433
What weight would he be without steroids?
Dexter Jackson was a bantam weight.
These guys wouldn`t even turn a head at the YMCA.
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I think you will find that Dante was all up for mixing it - unfortunately he decided to mix it with folks far and away beyond his game
It wasnt until he realised he was in way over his neck with intellectual giants such as TA, Mars and moi, that he packed his argumentative bags and fucked off sharpish
Listen, you dont piss in the big boys pool, ok sonny?
Intellectual giants? LOL :-X
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Actually I was just kind of getting bored with it all.....but whatever makes you feel awesome about yourself works for me. You fine sir are truly the baddest MFer 21.95 internet access can buy....now let me get back to doing something a little more important....(which is cleaning my desktop)
You cant stay away, you fucking love it
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You cant stay away, you fucking love it
:D
Don`t you like how I just got to the point and told him that there never has been anyone NATURAL under 6 feet,220 lbs Ripped. He can`t provide anyone that would exceed that criteria, yet for some reason he thinks its possible.
Warped mind. No matter how many hamburger patties are rinsed and how much olive oil is guzzled or protein powdered shat out, the fact remains that there never has been anyone to meet those standards.
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Don`t you like how I just got to the point and told him that there never has been anyone NATURAL under 6 feet,220 lbs Ripped. He can`t provide anyone that would exceed that criteria, yet for some reason he thinks its possible.
Warped mind. No matter how many hamburger patties are rinsed and how much olive oil is guzzled or protein powdered shat out, the fact remains that there never has been anyone to meet those standards.
TA, are you saying that Dante knows as much about this game as a sweaty swimming pool full of old mincers, each with a penchant for washing 'meaty treats' just prior to guzzling down a hot mouthfull of steaming freshly 'rinsed' protein?
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Sarcasm's style translated to British English. LOL! I'm sitting here eating digestive cookies and giggling my tits off.
what are digestive cookies?
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what are digestive cookies?
Probabaly Digestive Biscuits, sort of an oatmeal/wheatmeal type of item
(http://www.123healthybalance.com/i/products/digestives.jpg)
Lovely to dunk in tea
A chocolate variation is also available:
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TA, are you saying that Dante knows as much about this game as an sweaty swimming pool full of old mincers, each with a penchant for washing 'meaty treats' just prior to guzzling down a hot mouthfull of steaming freshly 'rinsed' protein?
Yes. I`m also alluding to the fact that Dante` is a practitioner of internet-hypnosis and an Olive-Oil connoisseur. A true patron of the fat-cell bodybuilding art.
(http://cookandladder.com/catalog/images/Olive-Oil-GIft-Set-web.jpg)
MUST HAVE OLIVE OIL..................... .AND EXTREME STRETCH................. WITH RACK CHINSSSSSSS ARGGGGG(http://www2.gol.com/users/noman/images/charac/dead34.jpg)
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British people also use words like "fortnight."[/center]
Enlighten me, what term do you use to describe a 14 day period?
If Earl was answering, he would undoubtedly say 'a gay holiday to san fran', he loves to take teh cock for 14 days straight, with no breaks!!!!
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To wrap this issue up, can I just ask, has Dante got any top flight guys that endorse his methods? or are the 'we luv DC' ranks full of cretins at his board and Gayhem?
What are Dantes substantial claims to fame? if he indeed has any?
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David Henry says DC has been the magic bullet.
My goodness, thats me sold, fucking TA and his bum info LOLOLOL
LOL!!!
See if not for you where would I be on a Friday night? Out clubbing doing copious* E's and supporting Israel.
*another Brit word.
If it were not so fucking hot, I would have retired long since for a jolly good wank over some 70's porn, probably Color Climax feat Tiny Tove
As it goes, I'm sat here STARK BOLLOCK NAKED feeling as if I have just shoved some DNP up my ring :(
(http://www.adultpixhost.com/Tiny_Tove/ttt2.jpg)
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Probabaly Digestive Biscuits, sort of an oatmeal/wheatmeal type of item
(http://www.123healthybalance.com/i/products/digestives.jpg)
Lovely to dunk in tea
hahaha you Brits actually dunk in tea ;D
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Too right! Hob-nobs are the best lol, they don't fall apart upon dunkage :)
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Too right! Hob-nobs are the best lol, they don't fall apart upon dunkage :)
LOL, we love our British compatriots! Keep on being British and we'll keep on being American and Canadian! ;D
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Lucius Fox?! where the hell have you been?
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Lucius Fox?! where the hell have you been?
I finished school and started a job, but mostly I just burned out from posting so much! ;D
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no timeout or nothin? :P
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so adonis ur saying that coleman was never 287lbs or 296lbs at the olympia 2003 and 2004... i don't believe this...
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Woten - are you saying that Dante's only claim to fame is being a wanker full of bollocks with a penchant for a swimming pool for of mincers every fortnight?
dave henry, mark dugdale and a few nationally ranked guys are training dc style....there is a thread over at IM with a bunch of guys, in the IM article dante mentions some guys but I don't have that in front of me and I don't have time to go over to IM and get everyone's name..maybe Rob Lopez? I think Ron Harris is training dc right now also, he talks about it in his daily pump pics thread over at mayhem.
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dave henry, mark dugdale and a few nationally ranked guys are training dc style....there is a thread over at IM with a bunch of guys, in the IM article dante mentions some guys but I don't have that in front of me and I don't have time to go over to IM and get everyone's name..maybe Rob Lopez? I think Ron Harris is training dc right now also, he talks about it in his daily pump pics thread over at mayhem.
I am currently in the process of collating a database of [high ranking] DC followers, to wit, could you go a little slower? I think I am running out HDD space and need to grab a few packs of CD's
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I am currently in the process of collating a database of [high ranking] DC followers, to wit, could you go a little slower? I think I am running out HDD space and need to grab a few packs of CD's
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sorry slick, just started reading this thread....I thought it was a serious question...
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no timeout or nothin? :P
Definitely not in timeout. Ron loves me! :D
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sorry slick, just started reading this thread....I thought it was a serious question...
It was, albeit rhetorical, the same is to be said for the other questions raised by such luminaries as TA et al
Questions - all of which - Dante loves to avoid
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I plan to become fluent in British English very soon. Tell me, does this make much sense at all?
I'm crossing my fingers and hoping it does.
girls.
You fucking poncy old slag!
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It was, albeit rhetorical, the same is to be said for the other questions raised by such luminaries as TA et al
Questions - all of which - Dante loves to avoid
I can only imagine the type of questions that have been raised. As far as Dante avoiding them...well lets just say, and I'm not even trying to get involved in this mess just saying...what could he say that would honestly satisfy the guys going after him?
The bottom line is this, either you like the guy and think his methods work or you don't, I don't think he could say a thing or post a pic that would change anyone's mind, so why should he bother? He's doing fine without the guys on getbig that hate him so why try to change thier opinions?
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Woten - are you saying my attempt to replicate fine British comedy is gayer than a merchant who has a penchant for mincers?
Jesus you soppy tart, turn it up, you gaylord
do you not have some Israeli E's to be necking?
Fucking toerag!
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Sometimes i ask myself what if i did roids? ???
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dave henry, mark dugdale and a few nationally ranked guys are training dc style....there is a thread over at IM with a bunch of guys, in the IM article dante mentions some guys but I don't have that in front of me and I don't have time to go over to IM and get everyone's name..maybe Rob Lopez? I think Ron Harris is training dc right now also, he talks about it in his daily pump pics thread over at mayhem.
Let me correct you. What you ARE saying is that these guys are training with Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty / HIT training and are incorporating Parillo's muscle fascia stretching techniques (which have never been proven to be effective).
Dante cannot come on here and debate any of the points I made in my original post (thanks for the props TA and Woten), because he will simply be bullshitting everyone.
If you want to take someone else's techniques and use them for your own and if people want to pay you for passing on that knowledge, more power to you. But you at least owe it to the originators and pioneers of these methods to pay them 100% full credit and let everyone know you are simply appying their techniques.
Dante can blow his yap about morals and ethics and credo all he wants. Simple fact is it's all hot air, he doesn't even practice what he preaches. Charging people $500 and passing off what others have perfected as his own is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Dante, why don't you explain to everyone how your "patented" rack chins develop lat width and/or thickness better than any other back exercise, such as regular chins, bent over rows or reverse grip pulldowns. Break it down how that ridiculous exercise is superior for your trainees.
Wide grip rack chins do not make your back "wider" lol But then again, they are "DC" training. ::)
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Let me correct you. What you ARE saying is that these guys are training with Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty / HIT training and are incorporating Parillo's muscle fascia stretching techniques (which have never been proven to be effective).
Dante cannot come on here and debate any of the points I made in my original post (thanks for the props TA and Woten), because he will simply be bullshitting everyone.
If you want to take someone else's techniques and use them for your own and if people want to pay you for passing on that knowledge, more power to you. But you at least owe it to the originators and pioneers of these methods to pay them 100% full credit and let everyone know you are simply appying their techniques.
Dante can blow his yap about morals and ethics and credo all he wants. Simple fact is it's all hot air, he doesn't even practice what he preaches. Charging people $500 and passing off what others have perfected as his own is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Dante, why don't you explain to everyone how your "patented" rack chins develop lat width and/or thickness better than any other back exercise, such as regular chins, bent over rows or reverse grip pulldowns. Break it down how that ridiculous exercise is superior for your trainees.
Wide grip rack chins do not make your back "wider" lol But then again, they are "DC" training. ::)
yes it's true that parillo introduced fascia stretching, how many people realistically used that technique? I'm not arguing or starting shit but asking realistic questions. Yes people stretched after training but I don't remember ever reading an ariticle about stretching in a way that would cause the fascia to stretch. I don't have John's 50 workout secrets in front of me but I remember reading about his stretching and most of the stuff he had you do was a pain in the ass. Remember "skin the cat"? No way, no how could I ever pull that off if I read it and understood it the right way. Dante's aprrorach is much more down to earth and easier to understand and perform. Did johh come up with the concept or was it something published in a medical or sports performance article and he ran with it? I don't know.
Dante's RP training is different than what metzer was preaching. I don't think he ever claimed to have invented the technique just looked at it a little different. As far as rack chins go, when did he ever say they were the give all end all? When did he say you had to do them? I've read the dogg log and I don't remember that. If he did then I'd like to see it. I think it's just presented as another option. I've never done them so I don't know if they work or not. Are they as effective for lat width as some other movements? I'm sure they have merit, almost everything has some merit. I work out alone so it's pretty hard to do the movement, would I like to try them? Sure, why not? What have I got to loose?
I really don't want to fight, I just don't get all the venom. What you posted could be applied to every personal trainer in the world. Do you really expect the local guy at powerhouse to start every training session off with a new guy saying "ok, first we're gonna do this wieder principle, then we're gonna do this stretch that was prefected by john parillo, then we might do this prefected by this guy".
Supply and demand is simple. Dante supplies a service and the demand is there for people to pay him.
I'm wondering, can you guys REALLY find a guy that has been trained by Dante, one of the guys in the Doggcrapp trainees thread over at IM that regrets being trained by him? I think that would prove your point...and if you can't that kinda proves his.
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Better late than never.... Here goes.... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahaha hahaha..... Shit Adonis... WTF man.... :-X :-\ :-X
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Any help?
Apparently it means "not queer but effete" :-\
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Any help?
Matt, did you make the following post originally?
YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT.
What in the blue fuck is a "mincer"?
I dont recall it?
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Yes I made that post originally.
Most of my good work is stolen from you.
This Posting © Matt Canning 2006
With Good Nutrition Good Things Happen.
Tits, Lovely Bouncy Tits
I just didnt recall the 'ELEMENT' part
Anyhoo, a mincer is a raving old queef ie: 'fuck off you mincing homo, or I'll cut you right up, you poncy bender'
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matt I think dan d is a bad influence on you :-\
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Fucking sensitive bitches you two are...
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Matt C...I agree with yuo wholeheartedly on regards to the issue.
I wrote this on another post (Wheeler VS Heath):
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What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.
If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.
Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or 170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....
To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?
I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....
What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing that his body adapted so well?
I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.
But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.
It is hard being a natural....
Some say that "supplements" dont really help you and say that there is proof because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.
Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.
Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....
Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at over 230-240 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....
But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....
I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...
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Matt C...I agree with yuo wholeheartedly on regards to the issue.
I wrote this on another post (Wheeler VS Heath):
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What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.
If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.
Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or 170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....
To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?
I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....
What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing that his body adapted so well?
I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.
But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.
It is hard being a natural....
Some say that "supplements" dont really help you and say that there is proof because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.
Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.
Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....
Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at over 230-240 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....
But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....
I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...
yeah you definetely need help.
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No...youre the dude that needs the help ;)
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No...youre the dude that needs the help ;)
I need help Dammit! >:( You know me so well!
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bottom line is we can speculate forever on what this guy or that guy would look like on roids but the truth is youll never know cause its impossible to tell how someone,s receptors would respond to the juice unless he uses the juice and sees the outcome
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This is a better off the sauce pic.
(http://www.freakestphysique.blogger.com.br/pro05.jpg)
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id say kevin in that pic looks better then 90% of the people in most gyms,ofcoarse he cant go into the olympia anytime soon but nonetheless he still looks awesome imo
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This is a better off the sauce pic.
(http://www.freakestphysique.blogger.com.br/pro05.jpg)
Epic attempt at a thousand yard stare
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This is a better off the sauce pic.
(http://www.freakestphysique.blogger.com.br/pro05.jpg)
monster 14 inch arms.
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his arms are as big as your 17.5" pipes sarcasm
don't forget no training and dieting matt c ;D
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his arms are as big as your 17.5" pipes sarcasm
don't forget no training and dieting matt c ;D
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of course they are sweetie. :-*
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monster 14 inch arms.
But look at how fucked up his face looks. Monster alien resemblance.
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But look at how fucked up his face looks. Monster alien resemblance.
hahahaha, he's always looked like that though, Levrone has always been an ugly dude, half black, half chinese.
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I thought Levrone was part Italian..not chinese? ???
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hahahaha, he's always looked like that though, Levrone has always been an ugly dude, half black, half chinese.
your a very handsome frenchman ;D
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I think he has a great look right now - very ideal. I'm sure he still trains and eats, just not like he used to.
He doesn`t look like that right now by the way.
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i saw kevin guest pose and chicks were all over him,i guess the ugly comments aint holdin no weight,he had some hot chicks surrounding him all night,go kev
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He doesn't look like he has a huge bone structure, based on the pictures of him off steroids.
Here's some examples of olympic weightlifters with 'huge' bone structures:
Serge Reding - 315lbs at 5'8"
(http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/7342/73wc2.jpg)
Sultan Rakmanov
(http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/7342/Rak2.jpg)
Bill Kaz is an example of a powerlifter with a big frame.
Paul Anderson had a giant hip structure (obviously useless to bodybuilding). His leg size genetics are unmatched, imagine him on anabolics.
(http://www.cbass.com/IMAGES/ANDERS~1.JPG)
Tom Prince was just a average boned guy who responded well to anabolics.
True dat...
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Reding was a beast, 405lb. standing presses behind neck, 885lb. squats.
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Uhh, not that long ago, many linemen in the NFL were taking the same gear, and I never saw anyone looking like Coleman.
Not even close...
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Not even close...
welcome to last week
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Sorry about that... :-\
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Matt C, have you seen this study:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/1/207
Subjects who were put on 200mg testosterone plus 50mcg T3 (to simulate a catabolic state) while lying in bed for 28 days put on 2kg of lean body mass!
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There are some pretty big dudes in the nfl. Maybe not as big as Coleman (at least not as lean) but some players aren't too far from pro physique.
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Matt C, have you seen this study:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/1/207
Subjects who were put on 200mg testosterone plus 50mcg T3 (to simulate a catabolic state) while lying in bed for 28 days put on 2kg of lean body mass!
welcome to a Will Brink article from ten years ago
;)
Seriously, Brink also mentioned studies that featured a group of non training juciers whom faired better than a natural training group, which I found most interesting
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There are some pretty big dudes in the nfl. Maybe not as big as Coleman (at least not as lean) but some players aren't too far from pro physique.
like who?
the best i've seen were TO and vernon Davis and they are far from pro physiques
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like who?
the best i've seen were TO and vernon Davis and they are far from pro physiques
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So are you saying pro BBers are genetically superior to NFL athletes? Bodybuilding is the fallback career for failed athletes,not the other way around.
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So are you saying pro BBers are genetically superior to NFL athletes? Bodybuilding is the fallback career for failed athletes,not the other way around.
i'm saying their physiques aren't currently pro material and probably couldn't be that successful due to being like 6'4
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i'm saying their physiques aren't currently pro material and probably couldn't be that successful due to being like 6'4
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Oh, definitely a WR is too long and lanky, but I'm sure a couple of RB's could do damage.
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his arms are as big as your 17.5" pipes sarcasm
don't forget no training and dieting matt c ;D
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Ok 17.5 inch arms. I don't know,... Are those big arms for a pigshit fatass??? He must me fat, why else would you not post a pic? Lots of fat people with 17.5 inches that don't even go to the gym...
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Ok 17.5 inch arms. I don't know,... Are those big arms for a pigshit fatass??? He must me fat, why else would you not post a pic? Lots of fat people with 17.5 inches that don't even go to the gym...
hahahaha, sounds like you're still angry about me owning you in all the Israel threads on the general board.
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hahahaha, sounds like you're still angry about me owning you in all the Israel threads on the general board.
You are stupid as fuck arn't you? Did I miss some posts... Aside from the racist side of hating all Jews, I agreed with your posts and how did you own me without replying to anything I said??? Must have been some owning... I don't remember it happening... Links Pigshit?
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You are stupid as f**k arn't you? Did I miss some posts... Aside from the racist side of hating all Jews, I agreed with your posts and how did you own me without replying to anything I said??? Must have been some owning... I don't remember it happening... Links Pigshit?
hahahaha, sounds like you're still angry about me owning you in all the Israel threads on the general board.
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You are stupid as f**k arn't you? Did I miss some posts... Aside from the racist side of hating all Jews, I agreed with your posts and how did you own me without replying to anything I said??? Must have been some owning... I don't remember it happening... Links Pigshit?
meltdown
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You are stupid as f**k arn't you? Did I miss some posts... Aside from the racist side of hating all Jews, I agreed with your posts and how did you own me without replying to anything I said??? Must have been some owning... I don't remember it happening... Links Pigshit?
Yes, sarcasm hates all Jews, except that monkey-armed Jewboy named "True Adonis". They seem to make a good couple.
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bottom line is this... ANYONE who quits training for a long time gets that way. idiots say it's because they're off the sauce but it's because they're off everything. like i said before get a lifetime natural who's really big and have him quit training for a year...
this is as far as i let myself read in this thread,,too long :D BUT the guy who wrote the above is still living in denial. i have stopped training many times for weeks if not months!! and stayed hormonized and i lost somewhere around 5lb. i wasnt as swole as when training,,nor were my muscles "screaming" through the skin as much,,but the look was pretty much the same as in size.
you still dont understand just HOW MUCH important androgenic/anabolic/growth hormones are. when there is high level of hormones in blood 100% of the people will grow thus look big no matter how big their bones are or their frames are or their height is,,,they will all become big and more important THICK.
3times/week on hormones can create and have created PROFFESSIONAL bodybuilders. only 3 times! (majority of us train a hell of a lot more,, but 2-3 times a week is very common for few very very femiliar faces you love to admire)
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meltdown.
lol?? why you pawning yourself?
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heck I shortened it too--that was just the cliff notes
That was a damn good post, man.
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I think you will find that Dante was all up for mixing it - unfortunately he decided to mix it with folks far and away beyond his game
It wasnt until he realised he was in way over his neck with intellectual giants such as TA, Mars and moi, that he packed his argumentative bags and fucked off sharpish
Listen, you dont piss in the big boys pool, ok sonny?
dante tp is same as any other protein company out there. they buy their powders from the outside sources like every other company out there. the only diff is that when you buy from tp,, you can get them individually (micellar,,isolate,,hydrolized) and you know what you are getting! the moment you try doing the same with other companies you never know what you get because it is usually a mix of proteins! and IF you get one specific protein it almost always cost more as in at the $25+ range for 2lb (micellar) while tp will be ~$20 for 2lb (micellar). you save money and even if you DONT save money you still get a protein that doesnt have tons of fillers and addetives! you make your own shake out of pure protein powder and that is why i like it. you simply dont get bloated and have stomack problems like with 90% of protein out there that stick shit in (as per order from big mama) in the final product. the only one that i find close to tp is dymatize and dorian yates,,and i been drinking protein powders for long long time (16+ years) on and off.
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on another note,,the first getbigger that comes to me with the identity of the woten kid is getting from me personally individual advice about training/hormones. unlimited. i need accurate information! this will have to be verified by me so it might take few days after i get the info from you.
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i just read the whole posts on this thread. PLEASE get me information on that decent guy ;) you wont regret it.
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Those are great pics of Arnold. He's came a long way.
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I thought Levrone was part Italian..not chinese? ???
Half black Half Italian.
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When it comes down to it top pro bodybuilders e.g. Coleman, Cutler, Martinez have better genetics for building muscle than the average person and a better response to steriods. However average pros are just average guys with average genetics for building muscle but they have a an extraordinary response to steriods, much more so than the average person.
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Those are great pics of Arnold. He's came a long way.
He was huge BEFORE and after those pics.
Anyways, i just read this whole fucking thread and openly laughed out loud at all the british swearing. You guys have really taken it to a new level.
Who knew getbig was this entertaining? ;D
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fcuk woten. why would you wanna associate yourself with rasict douchebags?
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No, there are people who're funny that make racist jokes and then there are people who are racists that happen to be funny. We're looking at the latter here.
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damn.
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I don't know what's more massive. Tom's biceps, or his belly button! :o
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/genetics/Prince-ES03j%5B1%5D.jpg)
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I don't know what's more massive. Tom's biceps, or his belly button! :o
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/genetics/Prince-ES03j%5B1%5D.jpg)
Sick thickness.
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Sick thickness.
Thick sickness.
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It's crazy how thin Arnold is in that picture of him running. As for Levrone in the picture where he weighs 215, I think he looks better than in the contest pictures, except for his stomach. In fact, I would say his size there is quite ideal.
Tom...well...he was just an injection. A very strong one though.
And yeah, I would say that to his face. It would seem kind of awkward to bring up out of nowhere, but if the topic came up, I would say it.
I remember there was a period where, on muscle mayhem, Tom claimed that even off steroids he couldn't get below 250 lbs (or so). He used it as evidence that the drugs didn't make much of a diff, and that drug free he was still huge. Wonder if he'd still say that?
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_20/ai_98488345
"What's your least favorite vice?
I think I've quit all the vices that I don't like. I used to party, but I stopped five years ago. I'm proud of that."
::)
Party = mainlining coke and meth.
Matt C,
You seem to be a Knowledgeable person, but Matt your are terrible wrong regarding anabolics and their response in athletes. It is major misconception to assume that anabolics will provide the larger part of an athletes sucess and this misconception is the factor responsable for its abuse. The body genitic ability to respond to high levels of hormones, training and metabolism rates are fundamental genetic factors. All Naturals LOVE to dream that their difference to a Pro is nothing more than a few injections. Well that is obvious way to feel close to athletes and not accept your inferior genetic make up. Trust me no amount of anabolic is going to make you as good as Barry bonds ...Did it help HIM no doubt...too bad for the kids that think that they are only a few injections away....too bad... Let's stop being DISILLUSIONED
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Check out his exact quote below. Unfortunately all the screencaps I had of Tom's quotes got stolen along with my computer, but I should still have access to a few of them.
Yep, that's the one. I hope once and for all that eliminates the misguided claims that anabolics add "the last 10%." Sure, 10%. So if Tom Prince weighs 260 on anabolics, only 26 lbs of that is from the drugs, and he'd weigh a muscular 234 lbs (at 5' 7") drug-free. ::)
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Matt C,
You seem to be a Knowledgeable person, but Matt your are terrible wrong regarding anabolics and their response in athletes. It is major misconception to assume that anabolics will provide the larger part of an athletes sucess and this misconception is the factor responsable for its abuse. The body genitic ability to respond to high levels of hormones, training and metabolism rates are fundamental genetic factors. All Naturals LOVE to dream that their difference to a Pro is nothing more than a few injections. Well that is obvious way to feel close to athletes and not accept your inferior genetic make up. Trust me no amount of anabolic is going to make you as good as Barry bonds ...Did it help HIM no doubt...too bad for the kids that think that they are only a few injections away....too bad... Let's stop being DISILLUSIONED
wrong!
aas will not change your muscle shape and your muscle shape will determine how well you will do as a bodybuilder,,never the less aas can and will add on you muscle mass to new levels and ew horizons that you never dreamed possible,,
the person with the WORST GENETICS ON PLANET EARTH CAN GET AT THE LEAST 30-40LB OF OVER ALL QUALITY MUSCLE MASS ON HORMONES,,
growth insulin and igf have been showing the ability to add muscle fibers thus not only blowing your muscle to new dimention but also changing it as in changin your genetic limits to a point!
i claim that muscle shape,,original muscle shape can not be changed but it can be thickened and blown from within to new bigger dimentions by the use of aas and growth,,the aas will blow your muscle,,anyones muscle not only the "genetically talented",, and the adding of growth will allow this blowing up to multyply,,it simply will allow your body to carry more muscle than it is able with on aas only
as i said before what prince said is a complete nonesense,,ignore
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FACT. Millions of people take anabolics
FACT LESS 250 ACTIVE PROS
FACT LESS that 20 sucessuful PROS
KEEP DREAMING FEEL SO GOOD
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never said any one can be get a pro card,,,read agaiin what i wrote carefully!
it is MUSCLE SHAPE that will determine your chances to get a pro card!
not only that but you need to win it among a very hard competition from bunch of guys as gifted as you,,muscle shape wize,, and also come on 100% on the show day,,it is a lot more than just drugs
it takes more than hormones to get a pro card and i said it MANY TIMES BEFORE,,but! ANYONE I CLAIM ANY ONE !! CAN GET TO A LEVEL OF A NATIONAL SHOW AND DO A NATIONAL SHOW NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,,
time in the gym,,
hormones,,
training,,
nutrition,,
sleep,,
free time for bodybuilding
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never said any one can be get a pro card,,,read agaiin what i wrote carefully!
it is MUSCLE SHAPE that will determine your chances to get a pro card!
not only that but you need to win it among a very hard competition from bunch of guys as gifted as you,,muscle shape wize,, and also come on 100% on the show day,,it is a lot more than just drugs
it takes more than hormones to get a pro card and i said it MANY TIMES BEFORE,,but! ANYONE I CLAIM ANY ONE !! CAN GET TO A LEVEL OF A NATIONAL SHOW AND DO A NATIONAL SHOW NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,,
time in the gym,,
hormones,,
training,,
nutrition,,
sleep,,
free time for bodybuilding
Our current Mr Olympia has average genetics. And truth be told, is nowhere near being the best BB
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never said any one can be get a pro card,,,read agaiin what i wrote carefully!
it is MUSCLE SHAPE that will determine your chances to get a pro card!
not only that but you need to win it among a very hard competition from bunch of guys as gifted as you,,muscle shape wize,, and also come on 100% on the show day,,it is a lot more than just drugs
it takes more than hormones to get a pro card and i said it MANY TIMES BEFORE,,but! ANYONE I CLAIM ANY ONE !! CAN GET TO A LEVEL OF A NATIONAL SHOW AND DO A NATIONAL SHOW NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,,
time in the gym,,
hormones,,
training,,
nutrition,,
sleep,,
free time for bodybuilding
Completly agree with the first part of your statment, but disagree with the second part. Have seen dozens of regional guys using tons of anabolics could not even win their class on the show....like you said losing to guy with better muscle shape
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Our current Mr Olympia has average genetics. And truth be told, is nowhere near being the best BB
Jay Does NOT have average genetics because the ability to weight 280 lb with 3% body fat is a genetic factor that must be considered. Obviously you could not compare him with Dexter or Victor in terms of structure, but again how many pros could be 5'8 at 280lb.
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Completly agree with the first part of your statment, but disagree with the second part. Have seen dozens of regional guys using tons of anabolics could not even win their class on the show....like you said losing to guy with better muscle shape
Why is no one reading what gh15 posted? He never said you could WIN a national level competition, just that you could be good enough to compete IN one.
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Why is no one reading what gh15 posted? He never said you could WIN a national level competition, just that you could be good enough to compete IN one.
Well its some regional shows with only couple competitors you could qualified to the nationals but even on regional shows guys are using anabolics so ever them muscle shape and structure is a factor
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matt haven't you lost 20 pounds recently with very little training and diet?
looks like I was right all along :)
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wrong!
aas will not change your muscle shape and your muscle shape will determine how well you will do as a bodybuilder,,never the less aas can and will add on you muscle mass to new levels and ew horizons that you never dreamed possible,,
true, but growth hormone can.
Hyperplasia (or "hypergenesis") is a general term for an increase in the number of the cells of an organ or tissue causing it to increase in size. It may be due to any number of causes including (but not limited to) increased demand, chronic inflammatory response, hormonal dysfunctions, or neoplasia.
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Hyperplasia may also be induced artificially by injecting hormones such as IGF-1 and human growth hormone Perhaps the most interesting and potent effect IGF has on the human body is its ability to cause hyperplasia, which is an actual splitting of cells. Hypertrophy is what occurs during weight training and steroid use and is simply an increase in the size of muscle cells. With IGF use, one is able to cause this hyperplasia which actually increases the number of muscle cells present in the tissue. Weight training and, more dangerously, anabolic steroid use enables these new cells to mature in size and strength. In addition, animal tests have shown that stretching a muscle can trigger hyperplasia though this phenomenon has yet to be confirmed in humans. (MY NOTE: Doggcrap!)
Organ hypertrophy is the increase of the size of an organ or in a select area of the tissue. It should be distinguished from hyperplasia which occurs due to cell division increasing the number of cells while their size stays the same; hypertrophy occurs due to an increase in the size of cells, while the number stays the same.
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In what respect?
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecolemanunbelievabledvd2.html
In my opinion that is the best response to bodybuilding and hormones that we will ever see.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecolemantheunbelievabledvd/146.jpg)
he means jay cutler
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Hello everyone.