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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Slick Vic on August 15, 2006, 07:38:50 PM
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Cardio I can deal with, but it's the diet that gets to me.
Those are the days when I miss Taco Bell and Krispy Kreme. :'(
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Nothing. It's all pretty easy.
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For me diet is harder, cardio is just boring
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cardio is just boring
Which is why I gotta have my iPod. I'll close my eyes and try to get in a zone.
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cardio 2 times a day for an hour on zero carb day with very little water is a little challenging.
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thank goodness like 99% of getbig i dont compete :P
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thank goodness like 99% of getbig i dont compete :P
You still have to drop fat every now and again.
(unless, like 99% of Getbig you're a 20%+ bf fatass who claims 10%. ::))
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(unless, like 99% of Getbig you're a 20%+ bf fatass who claims 10%. ::))
haha so true.
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getting weaker and ;loseing drive is what kills me most
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The cardio gets boring at times - but it isn't hard...
The diet (if planned well) isn't too bad either. Cravings suck though...
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getting weaker and ;loseing drive is what kills me most
what do you mean, losing drive?
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Cravings suck though...
I agree. I found that I feel like eating junk food mostly on days that I don't train or do cardio. Drinking a lot of water and caffeinated drinks and eating green vegetables seems to curb that.
Also never go more than 3 hours without eating or you'll feel like hitting the buffet and quitting bodybuilding. haha
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CARDIO.. as long as i have my Ipod loaded with my best music i got No problem at all with it ;D.
DIET.... no matter what u do IT knock u down + make u lazy + snappy + No memory ( looking for ur keys and its in ur Hand :o) and the day become very long
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Cardio I can deal with, but it's the diet that gets to me.
Those are the days when I miss Taco Bell and Krispy Kreme. :'(
Cardio is boring as hell.I can handle eating lean meals insted of jumping around on a treadmill.
The only good thing about going on the treadmills is that you can hit on some chicks that are on the treadmills next to you ;) ;D
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cardio is a bit boring.i only do cardio once a month..but the diet thing is just too much...no fat,less carbs and that just kills me..i can't do that.i had my own experince with dieting.i used to be 87kgs.before that i was 70kgs and i looked pretty thin.so then i started eating and eating to gain weight.i gained so much weight that it was like crazy.i went from being 70kgs to 87kgs in just 2 months of eating.so earlier i ate to get big but after that 87kgs on a 5.7 frame was just too much..then i dieted for 5 months straight and i completely stopped having sugar in form..i reduced 15kgs though but those 5 months were like hell fro me.for 5 monthst straight i was having headaches,i was not able to workout that well,i always flet tired and weak..so fater experimenting with dieting i said that this dieting is way too much for me..now my weight is maintained at 75kgs with alot of muscles..
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Diet and cardio are hard.. at the start. Then its all pretty easy. Eating less carbs and ok fats gives me much more stable energy levels then the spikes I get from eating tuna and rice all day.
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definitely the cardio :(
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Also never go more than 3 hours without eating or you'll feel like hitting the buffet and quitting bodybuilding. haha
hahaha.... ain't that the truth! :D
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10 pm is the hardest time of the day when I always want ot eat a poutine ;D
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Cardio I can deal with, but it's the diet that gets to me.
Those are the days when I miss Taco Bell and Krispy Kreme. :'(
It must be even tougher when people around you are indulging in those goodies.
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Diet is way easier for me than cardio.
Diet is all about mental control even if you are in 0 carb.
But,when you are in such a low carb intake,its really hard to train in the gym especaily cardio.
Thats really kill me.
But, I am in my job and home,it(Low carb or strict diet) doesnt bother me that much.
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I hate both... low carbs mess me up too much mentally to effectively do my job or live my life, and I have no energy for cardio in that state either.
My solution?
I never let myself get fat to begin with.
If I do have to drop a little fat, I can do it slowly without crashing my carbs and fuccking myself up.
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
Why do you guys waste time doing Cardio anyway?
Learn how to diet.
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
Why do you guys waste time doing Cardio anyway?
Learn how to diet.
I already said, so they're not "unfit".
Its part of dieting down, regaining some fitness
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
Why do you guys waste time doing Cardio anyway?
Learn how to diet.
uh....for your heart?
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hahahaah What a bunch of pussies.
This shit is too easy...
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
Why do you guys waste time doing Cardio anyway?
Learn how to diet.
I actually like doing cardio. I just crank the mp3 and look at myself in the mirror, which I never get tired of.
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low carb diet
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I actually like doing cardio. I just crank the mp3 and look at myself in the mirror, which I never get tired of.
I do too actually. But I don`t do it. Not neccessary.
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It must be even tougher when people around you are indulging in those goodies.
Tell me about it!
And then you've got those family gathering! Ugh!
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D-I-E-T is one of those bad 4 letter words your parents told you to avoid...I listened and will never say the "D" word ever again... I remain "a belly in training".
Cardio is more than 4 letters and ok in my book, I only wish they had a food meter on treadmills and climbers instead of just calories burned, etc. For example, if want to eat a donut or pc of cake you had to do so much cardio at this intensity.
Ya know, rather than focus on wt LOST, think about all the extra good food you can eat and remain at the same fun body wt.
Why lose fat/ wt when you can train in full sweats and look massive when you cinch your wt belt really tight to suck in your gut....works for me :o
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If you don't like cardio.. don't do it. Just train like a real man.
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If you don't like cardio.. don't do it. Just train like a real man.
ok "alexxx" haha ok.
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ok "alexxx" haha ok.
You gigling cause I said man again?
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Frank Zane never really did Cardio early on. It interesting that
His diet is the same as mine. Pretty cool.
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Frank Zane never really did Cardio early on. It interesting that
His diet is the same as mine. Pretty cool.
TA, what's your diet look like, how many carbs are you taking in a day?
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TA, what's your diet look like, how many carbs are you taking in a day?
My training is every other day...Hard and heavy....Every set to failure,drop sets, rest about a minute between sets.
I don`t count reps or sets. I do Legs one day,Chest one day,Back one day,Bis and Tris one day,Shoulders one day.
No telling how many sets I do. I just pick a heavy weight and lift it. Probably about 4-6 sets per exercise if I had to guess and about 5-10 different exercises depending. I basically train like the old guys, Reeves and Grimek.
My calories are probably 1200-1800 range. Possibly lower at times but not higher.
Protein is kept high. Fats are whatever is in the protiens and 1 serving of almond butter at night.
It really is too simple.
Muscle is HARD to lose in actuallity. People really have no clue.
My diet is sooooo simple and I eat really well.
My carbs are eaten in the first 2 meals of the day.
Meal 1 carbs:2 servings fiber one,1 cup of skim milk
Meal 2 carbs:1 piece of fruit.
The rest of the meals include a protein source and maybe vegetables. I eat a lot of gourmet cooked proteins such as manta ray and still have hamburgers everyday with ketchup.
No changes to diet.
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YES!
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Never do cardio and the dieting is a year 'round joy!
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My training is every other day...Hard and heavy....Every set to failure,drop sets, rest about a minute between sets.
I don`t count reps or sets. I do Legs one day,Chest one day,Back one day,Bis and Tris one day,Shoulders one day.
No telling how many sets I do. I just pick a heavy weight and lift it. Probably about 4-6 sets per exercise if I had to guess and about 5-10 different exercises depending. I basically train like the old guys, Reeves and Grimek.
My calories are probably 1200-1800 range. Possibly lower at times but not higher.
Protein is kept high. Fats are whatever is in the protiens and 1 serving of almond butter at night.
It really is too simple.
Muscle is HARD to lose in actuallity. People really have no clue.
My diet is sooooo simple and I eat really well.
My carbs are eaten in the first 2 meals of the day.
Meal 1 carbs:2 servings fiber one,1 cup of skim milk
Meal 2 carbs:1 piece of fruit.
The rest of the meals include a protein source and maybe vegetables. I eat a lot of gourmet cooked proteins such as manta ray and still have hamburgers everyday with ketchup.
No changes to diet.
Definitely hardcore and old school. Reeves and the boys would be proud.
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Never do cardio and the dieting is a year 'round joy!
You have the right idea too!
You look impressive. I laugh at the cardio-doers.
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cardio 2 times a day for an hour on zero carb day with very little water is a little challenging.
and why in the hell would you do 2 sessions of cardio on a zero carb day with little water??? WTF?
a little challenging, my ass. that's just plain fuggin' stupid.
what kills me is getting up earlier for the cardio. actually doing the cardio/diet is no problem after several years of it.
i'm going to adopt TA's approach to the offseason from now on so I don't have to do cardio. i'm done with getting fat, i'm finding it harder and harder each year to lean up, especially since i'm almost 30 :'(
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Cardio.. it beats up my feet, makes me feel run down, doing 40 min a night.. treadmill/recumbent bike and some stairs
Diets not bad..easy, get cravings like every other human bodybuilder but I can tolerate them.. 8)
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My training is every other day...Hard and heavy....Every set to failure,drop sets, rest about a minute between sets.
I don`t count reps or sets. I do Legs one day,Chest one day,Back one day,Bis and Tris one day,Shoulders one day.
No telling how many sets I do. I just pick a heavy weight and lift it. Probably about 4-6 sets per exercise if I had to guess and about 5-10 different exercises depending. I basically train like the old guys, Reeves and Grimek.
My calories are probably 1200-1800 range. Possibly lower at times but not higher.
Protein is kept high. Fats are whatever is in the protiens and 1 serving of almond butter at night.
It really is too simple.
Muscle is HARD to lose in actuallity. People really have no clue.
My diet is sooooo simple and I eat really well.
My carbs are eaten in the first 2 meals of the day.
Meal 1 carbs:2 servings fiber one,1 cup of skim milk
Meal 2 carbs:1 piece of fruit.
The rest of the meals include a protein source and maybe vegetables. I eat a lot of gourmet cooked proteins such as manta ray and still have hamburgers everyday with ketchup.
No changes to diet.
WTF....1200-1800 calories ??? I know little women who have to eat more than that to maintain their weight.
If I do anything less than 3000/day I lose weight. So I usually cut around 2700/day. You must have a really slow metabolism. Good for cutting I guess, but you may turn into a tub of lard when you get older :o
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WTF....1200-1800 calories ??? I know little women who have to eat more than that to maintain their weight.
If I do anything less than 3000/day I lose weight. So I usually cut around 2700/day. You must have a really slow metabolism. Good for cutting I guess, but you may turn into a tub of lard when you get older :o
hahah You are delusional if you think you have to have that many calories.
Pros don`t even go that high.
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hahah You are delusional if you think you have to have that many calories.
Pros don`t even go that high.
You are an idiot.
I have a detailed log of every morsel of food I have ingested sine July 2nd. Anywhere from 2500-2700 cals per day (higher on training days, lower on rest days).
I am honestly surprised you dont shrivel up on your diet.
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It's easier to eat less than it is to do cardio to make up for the calories.
I do cardio for 20-30 min on a recumbant bike at a comfortable pace (while watching TV at the gym), I usually only burn 200-250 calories. Not hard stuff. I'll do higher intensity cardio (soccer and jogging) once or twice a weak to improve my heart and lung endurance.
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You are an idiot.
I have a detailed log of every morsel of food I have ingested sine July 2nd. Anywhere from 2500-2700 cals per day (higher on training days, lower on rest days).
I am honestly surprised you dont shrivel up on your diet.
post a picture to show how 'cut' you are. Unless you are tall and have a lot of muscle that is high calories for dieting.
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Not hard stuff. I'll do higher intensity cardio (soccer and jogging) once or twice a weak to improve my heart and lung endurance.
That's the only reason I do cardio. Those who have said you don't need it to get rid of fat, and that you can do it all with diet are right. But they're wrong to say it is unimportant... it is very important, just not for fat loss.
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True Adonis, from your recent pics, I wouldnt be braging too much abotu your philososphy- you look good, but very flat muscles, i dunno man, your just over dieting imho so far..looking SKINNY actually. :-\ But whatever works for you.
Especially your front lat spread, i mean, your chest just looks flat, you look dry, skin is looking thin, ..you came down from some heafty weight, and you didnt keep much (lost alot of mass)...
Now if you would of kept most of your mass, and lost BF, that would be ideal, but you kinda look like your starving yourself. And it doesnt help how lancky and long you are.
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True Adonis, from your recent pics, I wouldnt be braging too much abotu your philososphy- you look good, but very flat muscles, i dunno man, your just over dieting imho so far..looking skinny actually. :-\ But whatever works for you.
Well he is gonna be flat from having such low carbs. That doesn't mean he's losing muscle. My diet is similar to his.
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post a picture to show how 'cut' you are. Unless you are tall and have a lot of muscle that is high calories for dieting.
We all have different metabolisms. Mine just happens to be very fast, and through experimentation I've found that I need ~2500 calories per day to lose about a pound of fat per week. If I had my log with me I could post examples of my diet from day to day, but since I am in the lib, that will have to be held off 8)
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True Adonis, from your recent pics, I wouldnt be braging too much abotu your philososphy- you look good, but very flat muscles, i dunno man, your just over dieting imho so far..looking SKINNY actually. :-\ But whatever works for you.
Especially your front lat spread, i mean, your chest just looks flat, you look dry, skin is looking thin, but i wouldnt say your on point..you came down from some heafty weight, and you didnt keep much (lost alot of mass)...
No such thing as overdieting....Provide me proof of someone overdieting Please.
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No such thing as overdieting....Provide me proof of someone overdieting Please.
You are natural correct?
How much healthy fats are you taking in too keep your testosterone levels up? Honestly, on only 1200cal/day I am surprised you don't burn up all your muscle.
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We all have different metabolisms. Mine just happens to be very fast, and through experimentation I've found that I need ~2500 calories per day to lose about a pound of fat per week. If I had my log with me I could post examples of my diet from day to day, but since I am in the lib, that will have to be held off 8)
1lb a week is fine but if you're already pretty low body fat to begin with.
It would take 3 months to lose 12lbs at that rate, and some will be water.
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True Adonis, from your recent pics, I wouldnt be braging too much abotu your philososphy- you look good, but very flat muscles, i dunno man, your just over dieting imho so far..looking SKINNY actually. :-\ But whatever works for you.
Especially your front lat spread, i mean, your chest just looks flat, you look dry, skin is looking thin, ..you came down from some heafty weight, and you didnt keep much (lost alot of mass)...
Now if you would of kept most of your mass, and lost BF, that would be ideal, but you kinda look like your starving yourself. And it doesnt help how lancky and long you are.
Your assessment is way off. You have never seen my chest. I have not lost any mass whatsoever...I am bigger and leaner than last year at a higher bodyweight.
You have no clue what you are talking about. I will be way leaner than you. Believe that.
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You are natural correct?
How much healthy fats are you taking in too keep your testosterone levels up? Honestly, on only 1200cal/day I am surprised you don't burn up all your muscle.
That is a fallacy....In a defecit fat is used as fuel anyways.
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No such thing as overdieting....Provide me proof of someone overdieting Please.
Well, I shouldnt be telling you this, I should just let you keep doing what your doing ;D
But, if I were you, I would try to get fuller. Your too flat. Thats all Im gonna say.
And there is such a thing as overdieting. Overdieting= sacrifice extra muscle...and its too obvious on your long frame.
Up the carbs, that will fill you in a little at least.
Yes you will be leaner than me. Not bc you know more, but bc of where I had to start from. Im 210 now.
This is more for fun for me and getting myself in Great offseason shape ;D
Just myopinion. Your ches tlooks flat in that front latspread/ relaxed pose.
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We all have different metabolisms. Mine just happens to be very fast, and through experimentation I've found that I need ~2500 calories per day to lose about a pound of fat per week. If I had my log with me I could post examples of my diet from day to day, but since I am in the lib, that will have to be held off 8)
Just post a picture fat body. You won`t because you know you are a joke.
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That is a fallacy....In a defecit fat is used as fuel anyways.
What is a fallacy ???
Healthy fats are scientifically shown to keep testosterone levels up....you need them, and people almost always underestimate their necessity.
Secondly, you obviously know near nothing about human physiology. Carbohydrates are the #1 source of energy and protein will be used 2nd. Fat is the final source to be used.
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Well, I shouldnt be telling you this, I should just let you keep doing what your doing ;D
But, if I were you, I would try to get fuller. Your too flat. Thats all Im gonna say.
And there is such a thing as overdieting. Overdieting= sacrifice extra muscle...and its too obvious on your long frame.
Up the carbs, that will fill you in a little at least.
Again, provide me with proof of overdieting. People OVEREAT when they diet. Plus it works out the same.....You guys are burning 300-500 calories from cardio and taking in 2500. So that makes you about 2000.....Some of you gaywods then do another session....You are now at 1500 calories.
What a waste of time and eating.
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uh....for your heart?
That avatar is hilarious...LOL!
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Wow, pick a poison "diet or cardio"? hahah
I hate doing both but since dieting is part of my favorite lifestyle since it deals with food, I have my favorite diet food and I enjoy em year-round... and besides, the heat here in So. Cali, hard intense training, raising my metabolism compensates for my cardio... BOO to CARDIO!
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Again, provide me with proof of overdieting. People OVEREAT when they diet. Plus it works out the same.....You guys are burning 300-500 calories from cardio and taking in 2500. So that makes you about 2000.....Some of you gaywods then do another session....You are now at 1500 calories.
What a waste of time and eating.
I don't do cardio ;)
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Again, provide me with proof of overdieting. People OVEREAT when they diet. Plus it works out the same.....You guys are burning 300-500 calories from cardio and taking in 2500. So that makes you about 2000.....Some of you gaywods then do another session....You are now at 1500 calories.
What a waste of time and eating.
This is why you look skinny, and lancky.... its different. By doing cardio, and having the right portions of protein % Carbs% fats% you can make your body burn stored fat and the excess protein and carbs if eaten at the right times will sheild your muscle mass from loss, you on th eother hand, are starving yourself, and training hard, which is giving you a nice look, but I think your looking very skinny, and drawn in.
Look at basty, hes full..
Just a heads up man.. dont over diet and come in looking like you were starving.
Dude you look fine, im just blaabing here...i gues sits the look YOU prefer, do what works best for you.
LOL...for you to say we are all stupid for doing cardio, well, maybe your the only person in the planet that thinks that, as far as bodybuilding is concerned, and prepping for a show! 8)
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Did Adonis even make it out of high school ???
This dummy thinks muscle is hard to lose in a caloric deficit :-\
let me ask you "Adonis" have you ever heard of gluconeogenesis, and could you please list off all 11 conversion steps? ....becuase I can ;)
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What is a fallacy ???
Healthy fats are scientifically shown to keep testosterone levels up....you need them, and people almost always underestimate their necessity.
Secondly, you obviously know near nothing about human physiology. Carbohydrates are the #1 source of energy and protein will be used 2nd. Fat is the final source to be used.
ROFLMAO!
Wrong. Fats fall second. Protein is not metabolized into usuable energy that efficently ESPECIALLY when in a defecit.......200 grams of fat or over will barely do anything to Testosterone levels. Anything lower really does nothing. When dieting you shouldn`t be eating that much fat anyways.
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This is why you look skinny, and lancky.... its different. By doing cardio, and having the right portions of protein % Carbs% fats% you can make your body burn stored fat and the excess protein and carbs if eaten at the right times will sheild your muscle mass from loss, you on th eother hand, are starving yourself, and training hard, which is giving you a nice look, but I think your looking very skinny, and drawn in.
Look at basty, hes full..
Just a heads up man.. dont over diet and come in looking like you were starving.
hahhah BAST eat LESS than I do at times.
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ROFLMAO!
Wrong. Fats fall second. Protein is not metabolized into usuable energy that efficently ESPECIALLY when in a defecit.......200 grams of fat or over will barely do anything to Testosterone levels. Anything lower really does nothing. When dieting you shouldn`t be eating that much fat anyways.
I am about to own your f*cking ass when I find my new england journal of medicine sources here in a minute.
you have NO CLUE what the fuck you are talking about. Like I said son, gluconeogenesis, you have no clue what it is, but it's burning up your precious muscle mass.
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This is why you look skinny, and lancky.... its different. By doing cardio, and having the right portions of protein % Carbs% fats% you can make your body burn stored fat and the excess protein and carbs if eaten at the right times will sheild your muscle mass from loss, you on th eother hand, are starving yourself, and training hard, which is giving you a nice look, but I think your looking very skinny, and drawn in.
Look at basty, hes full..
Just a heads up man.. dont over diet and come in looking like you were starving.
Dude you look fine, im just blaabing here...i gues sits the look YOU prefer, do what works best for you.
LOL...for you to say we are all stupid for doing cardio, well, maybe your the only person in the planet that thinks that, as far as bodybuilding is concerned, and prepping for a show! 8)
I`ve done a traditonal bodybuilding diet of 300 grams protein 225 carb cycle to 100 grams of carbs and 50 grams fat. AND CARDIO!
Guess what happened? I lost at the same rate as I did now. However, I was alot weaker and weighed EVEN LESS.
Go look at my past diet on Musclemayhem....You will see. I posted what I ate everyday.
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I am about to own your f*cking ass when I find my new england journal of medicine sources here in a minute.
you have NO CLUE what the f**k you are talking about. Like I said son, gluconeogenesis, you have no clue what it is, but it's burning up your precious muscle mass.
STFU already and stop trying to make him change what hes doing!! :D
Hey TA, seriously do what works for you, no need for us to butt heads about the topic..if it worked the same, then hey more power to you, you lucky bastad for not having to do cardio!!! 8)
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hahhah BAST eat LESS than I do at times.
Yup, my diet is very simliar. Once a week or so I'll have high carbs and probably get 2500 calories.
Otherwise I'm getting 1400-1800.
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and why in the hell would you do 2 sessions of cardio on a zero carb day with little water??? WTF?
a little challenging, my ass. that's just plain fuggin' stupid.
That's what I was thinkin'.
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Yup, my diet is very simliar. Once a week or so I'll have high carbs and probably get 2500 calories.
Otherwise I'm getting 1400-1800.
MIne are about that los, def under 2000, but im shedding lot of bad weight..so im surprised you two are doing the same. this is my diet, in the basic..
meal 1- Designer prtein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats
meal2- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies
meal3- designer protein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats
Workout**
meal5- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies AND 1/2 cup oats
Cardio session**
meal6- designer protein (40g protein)
bedtime
8)
Pretty low eh?
Been following this since April, started at 240 as of today im 210..
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In Arnold's book he writes that you should get at least 1g protein per pound, enough carbs to stay out of ketosis, and 20% should be fat.
So say you're 180lbs.
200g protein (20 more than need to be safe)
75g carbs will keep you out of ketosis safely.
30g fat. (around 20% of total calories)
=1450 calories.
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Its hard as hell to lose muscle.
I have never run into someone who "overdieted" for a competition. You know why?
Because they always come back the same.
Its an excuse.
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Now if you would of kept most of your mass, and lost BF, that would be ideal, but you kinda look like your starving yourself. And it doesnt help how lancky and long you are.
Thanks for saying this last part for me.
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MIne are about that los, def under 2000, but im shedding lot of bad weight..so im surprised you two are doing the same. this is my diet, in the basic..
meal 1- Designer prtein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats
meal2- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies
meal3- designer protein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats
Workout**
meal5- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies AND 1/2 cup oats
Cardio session**
meal6- designer protein (40g protein)
bedtime
8)
Pretty low eh?
You are shedding alot because you are fat....Its not muscle you are losing.
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I'm dieting using TA's methods which are basically "stop eating like a fat fucking American and have some control" and it's working great. It's easy and people are amazed at that what I eat only amounts to 1400 calories.
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Yup, my diet is very simliar. Once a week or so I'll have high carbs and probably get 2500 calories.
Otherwise I'm getting 1400-1800.
that's why Bast looks more full in his photos, he throws in a high carb day once a week, TA doesn't.
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MIne are about that los, def under 2000, but im shedding lot of bad weight..so im surprised you two are doing the same. this is my diet, in the basic..
meal 1- Designer prtein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats
meal2- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies
meal3- designer protein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats
Workout**
meal5- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies AND 1/2 cup oats
Cardio session**
meal6- designer protein (40g protein)
bedtime
8)
Pretty low eh?
Been following this since April, started at 240 as of today im 210..
That's low, so how are you eating much more than Adonis? you're not.
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In Arnold's book he writes that you should get at least 1g protein per pound, enough carbs to stay out of ketosis, and 20% should be fat.
So say you're 180lbs.
200g protein (20 more than need to be safe)
75g carbs will keep you out of ketosis safely.
30g fat. (around 20% of total calories)
=1450 calories.
30g of fat is not nearly enough. Arnold's advice is moot becuase he was juiced to the gills. Dieting naturally vs. chemically enhanced is very different.
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Procebito is an idiot....He thinks Protein is up there with carbs and is metabolized first before stored body fat is. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . If that were the case, we would be storing Protein.hahhahahahhaah What an idiot...I always knew he was a clown.
Carbohydrates and Fats for Fuel
Nutrients get converted to ATP based upon the intensity and duration of activity, with carbohydrate as the main nutrient fueling exercise of a moderate to high intensity, and fat providing energy during exercise that occurs at or below 50% VO2 max. Fat is a great fuel for endurance events, but it is simply not adequate for high level aerobic exercise (over 50% VO2Max) or for anaerobic exercise such as sprints or intervals. intensity. If exercising at or below 50-60% VO2Max, you can utilize fat stores for energy. At a low intensity, you have enough stored fat to fuel activity for several days (most people have 100,000 Calories of energy stored as fat) as long as there is sufficient oxygen to allow fat metabolism to occur.
As exercise intensity increases to 60 and 90% VO2Max, carbohydrate metabolism takes over and is more efficient than fat metabolism. Since a well-fed athlete can hold about 1500 carbohydrate Calories, this level of intensity can be sustained for approximately 2 hours. After that, stored carbohydrates are used up and you may hit the wall or ‘bonk.’ An athlete can sustain 60-90% VO2Max for more than 2 hours by simply replenishing carbohydrate stores during exercise. This is why it is critical to eat easily digestible carbohydrates during moderate exercise that lasts more than a few hours. If you don’t take in enough carbohydrates, you will be forced to reduce your intensity to less than 50%VO2Max and tap back into fat metabolism to fuel activity.
As VO2Max is reached and surpassed, carbohydrate metabolism efficiency drops off dramatically and anaerobic metabolism takes over. This is because your body can not take in and distribute oxygen quickly enough to use either fat or carbohydrate metabolism easily. In fact, carbohydrates can produce nearly 20 times more energy (in the form of ATP) per gram when metabolized in the presence of adequate oxygen than when generated in the oxygen-starved, anaerobic environment that occurs once you reach and surpass your VO2Max.
With training, there are several cardiovascular system adaptations that dramatically improve the ability to reach higher levels of exercise intensity over longer periods of time. First, training can increase an athlete's VO2Max. This improves the efficiency of oxygen transport to working muscles, allowing greater exercise duration at higher intensity before anaerobic pathways are needed. Higher Vo2Max levels also help remove lactic acid more quickly, which leads to faster recovery from anaerobic sprints, or other speed bursts. Another key to training is that it improves an athlete's ability to withstand greater build-up of lactic acid before discomfort requires a reduction in exercise intensity.
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that's why Bast looks more full in his photos, he throws in a high carb day once a week, TA doesn't.
Thats not true either.
Different body types. Plus I do look full in full body pictures......Looking full is another bullshit term in actuallity and so is the carb up process for a natural.
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Procebito is an idiot....He thinks Protein is up there with carbs and is metabolized first before stored body fat is. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . If that were the case, we would be storing Protein.hahhahahahhaah What an idiot...I always knew he was a clown.
We do store protein - it's called muscle.
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pobrecito. Go back over to teenbodybuilding.com and set up elborate training schemes for dudes who have been lifting for 2 weeks and decide to "cut" hahahahahah
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That's low, so how are you eating much more than Adonis? you're not.
not rightnow Bast, I know what I gotta do.. But I would change it to up the protein, maybe carbs slightly. This is just to shed excess fat. But once im down to your type of %, forghetaboutit...it will go down to one protein shake a day, and subsitiute in 2 food meals, of you know, chicken/fish or lean meat with a carb..
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you can't judge someones physique when they are dieting hard, depleting and training hard. At least let them carb up slowly for 3 to 4 days, then do the judging...
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you can't judge someones physique when they are dieting hard, depleting and training hard. At least let them carb up slowly for 3 to 4 days, then do the judging...
This is true..
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Also, not to take anything away from Bast,because he knows I am his boy for life and I think he has done very well,
but you have to take into account the distance of pictures....His are close up,mine are always far away.....The closer the more impressive and bigger you look....The further away, the harder it gets. :)
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not rightnow Bast, I know what I gotta do.. But I would change it to up the protein, maybe carbs slightly. This is just to shed excess fat. But once im down to your type of %, forghetaboutit...it will go down to one protein shake a day, and subsitiute in 2 food meals, of you know, chicken/fish or lean meat with a carb..
So you're saying you will increase carbs later on?
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I'd rather just not eat than have to do cardio.
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Also, not to take anything away from Bast,because he knows I am his boy for life and I think he has done very well,
but you have to take into account the distance of pictures....His are close up,mine are always far away.....The closer the more impressive and bigger you look....The further away, the harder it gets. :)
yea i agree.
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Plus, You guys are forgetting that you DO NOT burn the same amount of calories everyday....I sit at a desk all day.....Some of you don`t. Therefore you just may be burning more calories than me..hahhaahahhahahahh By your rationales you are more catabolic since you are burning more with the cardio and more activity level than I am.
You are NOT eating much more than me at all.
hahhahahha
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this shit is classic. I feel like the circus is in town.
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Also, not to take anything away from Bast,because he knows I am his boy for life and I think he has done very well,
but you have to take into account the distance of pictures....His are close up,mine are always far away.....The closer the more impressive and bigger you look....The further away, the harder it gets. :)
Plus all of Bast's shot are reflected from a circus mirror so making him look huge.
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this shit is classic. I feel like the circus is in town.
hahahh they sulk in their delusions.
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Plus, You guys are forgetting that you DO NOT burn the same amount of calories everyday....I sit at a desk all day.....Some of you don`t. Therefore you just may be burning more calories than me..hahhaahahhahahahh By your rationales you are more catabolic since you are burning more with the cardio and more activity level than I am.
You are NOT eating much more than me at all.
hahhahahha
you eat like a bird, and due to your pathetically low fat intake your testosteone levels are lower than they potentially could be. Where are your EFAs? The fact that you have almond butter before bed is good, but you need more of it throughout the day.
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Pobrecito... maybe he should put olive oil in his shakes and rinse his ground beef?
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you eat like a bird, and due to your pathetically low fat intake your testosteone levels are lower than they potentially could be. Where are your EFAs? The fact that you have almond butter before bed is good, but you need more of it throughout the day.
Keep singing your delusional song. You cry about EFA`s like they are some wonder drug...They will not keep Testosterone levels up to any noticeable degree. But go ahead, waste your money of Flaxseed. Go ahead eat your fat, and wonder why you don`t even have a vein in your forearm. haaa clown.
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Keep singing your delusional song. You cry about EFA`s like they are some wonder drug...They will not keep Testosterone levels up to any noticeable degree. But go ahead, waste your money of Flaxseed. Go ahead eat your fat, and wonder why you don`t even have a vein in your forearm. haaa clown.
you are fighting scientifically supported evidence that healthy fats are a necessity to keeping testosterone levels as high as possible (.5g/LBM minimum). Why you choose to fight this I don't know and make assinine comments towards me I don't know. You know nothing about gluconeogenesis yet tell me it's a fallacy that you can't lose muscle in a caloric defecit ??? YOU are the delusional one.
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Pobrecito. Post a pic bro. Back up the facts with results. I'm being serious.
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hahaaha yeahah hahahaha Probrecito is feeding the fat,. hahaha oh brother!!!!!!!!!!!!
powned!
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you are fighting scientifically supported evidence that healthy fats are a necessity to keeping testosterone levels as high as possible (.5g/LBM minimum). Why you choose to fight this I don't know and make assinine comments towards me I don't know. You know nothing about gluconeogenesis yet tell me it's a fallacy that you can't lose muscle in a caloric defecit ??? YOU are the delusional one.
Do you have any idea how fucking HIGH your fat intake would be to promote a fluctuation in Testosterone levels? Even then it wouldn`t make much of a difference at all.
When dieting for fat loss,in a caloric defecit, You simply CANNOT have a high enough fat intake to do anything. You will end up in a surplus of calories and then the result is stored bodyfat.
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Back up the facts with results
I have no need to do this. The facts have already been "backed up" in several peer reviewed medical journals. Once I find the link I am looking for I will post it up.
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Do you have any idea how fucking HIGH your fat intake would be to promote a fluctuation in Testosterone levels? Even then it wouldn`t make much of a difference at all.
When dieting for fat loss,in a caloric defecit, You simply CANNOT have a high enough fat intake to do anything. You will end up in a surplus of calories and then the result is stored bodyfat.
You need to rearrange your macros. You doubt the high importance of healthy fats like many others. You will learn in time.
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Thats not true either.
Different body types. Plus I do look full in full body pictures......Looking full is another bullshit term in actuallity and so is the carb up process for a natural.
i'm just saying you looked more full in your chest last year, that's all.
as lean as you are, a high carb day now and again would actually help you more than hurt you btw...
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I have no need to do this. The facts have already been "backed up" in several peer reviewed medical journals. Once I find the link I am looking for I will post it up.
Your "peer Reviewed Journal" DOES NOT apply to someone trying to get to 3-4 percent bodyfat.
That is for healthy eating perhaps or athletic performance....Even then Ingesting fat really won`t do much to Natural Testosterone levels at any point.
You actually think 20-30 more fat grams is really going to initiate a considerable Hormonal Response?
You are an idiot.
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i'm just saying you looked more full in your chest last year, that's all.
as lean as you are, a high carb day now and again would actually help you more than hurt you btw...
It wouldn`t help. It wouldn`t do anything actually....It is not going to make me stronger and I NEVER run out of energy and the body does not adapt to a low defecit.
So why bother?
My chest is the same if not a bit bigger this year by the way :)
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I have no need to do this. The facts have already been "backed up" in several peer reviewed medical journals. Once I find the link I am looking for I will post it up.
No, you see that's EXACTLY what you have to do. You're telling a guy who's proved that what he does worked and you're sitting in your tower telling him it's wrong. Don't give me fucking book knowledge. Post a PICTURE of you applying your knowledge to your body and WORKING. If you can't do that then you're the same as a fat doctor telling a patient how to lose weight.
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Your "peer Reviewed Journal" DOES NOT apply to someone trying to get to 3-4 percent bodyfat.
That is for healthy eating perhaps or athletic performance....Even then Ingesting fat really won`t do much to Natural Testosterone levels at any point.
You actually think 20-30 more fat grams is really going to initiate a considerable Hormonal Response?
You are an idiot.
Yes, it does apply to anyone, in fact, when going down to 5% or lower, the importance of healthy fats INCREASES...becuase your androgen levels will be down in the gutter.
You need .5g/lb LMB minimum fat intake. You should be around 100g of fats per day. And to your statement that EFAs are worthless, well, chew on this:
Essential fats such as the Omega 3 fatty acids (found in fish and flaxseed) and saturated fats are essential for normal testosterone production. All steroid hormones are produced from cholesterol and when fats are deficient in the diet, this process will be inhibited. Studies clearly indicate that low fat diets result in lower testosterone levels. Those higher in protein, lower in carbohydrate, and moderate in fat cause the greatest sustained levels of testosterone.
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Yes, it does apply to anyone, in fact, when going down to 5% or lower, the importance of healthy fats INCREASES...becuase your androgen levels will be down in the gutter.
You need .5g/lb LMB minimum fat intake. You should be around 100g of fats per day. And to your statement that EFAs are worthless, well, chew on this:
Essential fats such as the Omega 3 fatty acids (found in fish and flaxseed) and saturated fats are essential for normal testosterone production. All steroid hormones are produced from cholesterol and when fats are deficient in the diet, this process will be inhibited. Studies clearly indicate that low fat diets result in lower testosterone levels. Those higher in protein, lower in carbohydrate, and moderate in fat cause the greatest sustained levels of testosterone.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH hes advocating 100 grams of fat plus!
D E L U S I O N A L.
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Looks like poopbrecito is trolling wikipedia.
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Looks like poopbrecito is trolling wikipedia.
hahahahah Lets go get our Flaxseed Oil and have a flax party.
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Get him a shower cap so he can rinse wherever he wants. hahahahahahahahahah rack chins for everybody. They make you .00000000000000000001% more anabolic.
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Get him a shower cap so he can rinse wherever he wants. hahahahahahahahahah rack chins for everybody. They make you .00000000000000000001% more anabolic.
Maybe I`ll buy a fannypack full of MCT oils...............That might make me 000000000000000000000000 0000000000029% more anabolic while dieting.
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hahahahahahahah yeah. Perhaps if I take some CLA stacked with MSG and some Altoids I'll be able to spur my testosterone to an 18year old swedish swim team members level
give me a fucking break
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you dont loose muscle when dieting if you are natural. but you do lose volume because of a lack of carbs and fats that are stored INSIDE your muscles....oh yeah you guys are stupid that is why i am the king (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/P1010004.jpg)
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hahahahahahahah yeah. Perhaps if I take some CLA stacked with MSG and some Altoids I'll be able to spur my testosterone to an 18year old swedish swim team members level
give me a fucking break
haahaaaaahahahaha
Don`t forget your Kre-Alkalyn so you can fuel your MONSTER HARDCORE 6-9 set WORKOUT hahahahahaahah
These people have no clue.
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you dont loose muscle when dieting if you are natural. but you do lose volume because of a lack of carbs and fats that are stored INSIDE your muscles....oh yeah you guys are stupid that is why i am the king
Daddy is holding more water than lake michigan...
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i think i agree with one thing though in this lame thread. people tend to not eat enough fat though in certain circumstances. no need for me to really explain though since i am the master
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me and the adonis are light years and many galaxies above you pee-ons
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I feel like the circus is in town.
Getbig is the circus! :D
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i hate cardio...prefer to diet similar to adonis and bast. my only difference is i slowly drop calories week by week until i hit 2000. at 2000 calories a day i shed fat very quickly and i only do 45 minutes of cardio 2-3 times a week. mainly for health and i enjoy swimming outside.
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