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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: willie mosconi on August 16, 2006, 09:51:31 AM
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He needs to meet my friend the deadlift.
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the famous 2300 lb leg press for Ronnie
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Crowd goes nuts when he hits that rear double bicep pose....and rightfully so...best ever (other than haneys)
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Crowd goes nuts when he hits that rear double bicep pose....and rightfully so...best ever (other than haneys)
Definatly one of the top.
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Crowd goes nuts when he hits that rear double bicep pose....and rightfully so...best ever (other than haneys)
you'd also have to include flex and ronnie in that select group
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Kind of feminine posing, no?
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Kind of feminine posing, no?
Yes , he always like the sultry R&b sound ....
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I have always maintained that overall, the three best ever physiques (all with flaws mind you) are:
Shawn Ray (1994 Olympia)
Flex Wheeler (1993 AC)
Ronnie Coleman (2001 AC)
(in no particular order)
This video of shawn only helps to illistrate this.
Fantastic - much much better than Dorian's mess that year.
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Shawn was genius with his posing and his music. for most people its boring to watch and sometimes it can come off as femine. he explains a little about it in his video.
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Shawn ray looked like a little child on stage....Dorian's lats were bigger than Ray's whole body
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Shawn ray looked like a little child on stage....Dorian's lats were bigger than Ray's whole body
Interesting how a 1994 Olympia competitor looks like a present day Team Universe competitor size-wise.....things that make you go hummmmm......
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Shawn ray looked like a little child on stage....Dorian's lats were bigger than Ray's whole body
maybe so, but quality is far far better than quantity.
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maybe in your mind, but not the IFBB judges.
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maybe in your mind, but not the IFBB judges.
Thats why bodybuilding is so fucked up.
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maybe in your mind, but not the IFBB judges.
but that does not mean that they were correct..
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026580.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy178.jpg)
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Thats why bodybuilding is so fucked up.
well, the fans got tired of seeing little physiques on stage. Shawn Ray was nothing new to the people. Now, the crows just went absolutely nuts in 93 when he came out and they announced him @ 257...
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Looked great but that music really makes me think he's gay.
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I agree, I know the crowds want to see bigger. But guys like Melvin Anothony, who is an incredable bodybuilder get no recognition. its like you have to come in at 280-300 and just shock the crowd to win or get any money at all.
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He needs to meet my friend the deadlift.
You need to meet my friend reality.
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You need to meet my friend reality.
Is she hot?
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well, the fans got tired of seeing little physiques on stage. Shawn Ray was nothing new to the people. Now, the crows just went absolutely nuts in 93 when he came out and they announced him @ 257...
Before Dorian, you had Lee Haney.
he was not little.
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Haney's conditioning was weak, why do you think he got out of the game, he was scared of the drugs and knew Dozzer didn't give a f*ck.
Haney was 250lbs at the 91 olympia....yet he lost the muscularity round to Dorian @ 239...hmmm, that's says something about Dorian's conditioning (or Haney's lack thereof) ;)
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Haney's conditioning was weak, why do you think he got out of the game, he was scared of the drugs and knew Dozzer didn't give a f*ck.
Haney was 250lbs at the 91 olympia....yet he lost the muscularity round to Dorian @ 239...hmmm, that's says something about Dorian's conditioning (or Haney's lack thereof) ;)
Its not that Haney wasn't coming in good, its that Dorian was coming in better.
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Damn he looked amazing that day. He should have won. And notice how even though he's breathing, his stomach never sticks out like a gut.
BTW, that is some crappy camera work. Always is with these videos. Half the time you can't tell what pose he's doing or what he looks like in the pose 'cause they're either 600 feet away (not zoomed in) or zoomed in on the back of his neck when he's doing a front double biceps pose or something. WTF?
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Interesting how a 1994 Olympia competitor looks like a present day Team Universe competitor size-wise.....things that make you go hummmmm......
That's a pretty stupid comment. Show me a Team U guy that looks remotely like this:
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/ray04.jpg)
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/ray51.jpg)
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/ray36.jpg)
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Interesting how a 1994 Olympia competitor looks like a present day Team Universe competitor size-wise.....things that make you go hummmmm......
that is a really stupid comment to make. Shawn looks better than any current pro. the 90s were the best decade for bb by far
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that is a really stupid comment to make. Shawn looks better than any current pro. the 90s were the best decade for bb by far
and who dominated the 90's?
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and who dominated the 90's?
Dorian, but he didn't deserve at least 2 of his Mr Os, especially the 94 O
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Dorian, but he didn't deserve at least 6 of his Mr Os, especially the 94 O
agreed
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Chad Nicholls ruined pro bodybuilding single-handedly.
Before Ronnie got together with him, Ronnie was huge but not a GH mess that he later became. Then others had to follow the lead of taking drugs to catch up to Chad Nicholl's Frankenstein clients.
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I have always maintained that overall, the three best ever physiques (all with flaws mind you) are:
Shawn Ray (1994 Olympia)
Flex Wheeler (1993 AC)
Ronnie Coleman (2001 AC)
(in no particular order)
This video of shawn only helps to illistrate this.
Fantastic - much much better than Dorian's mess that year.
i knew you just couldnt resist.
was this more of a mess than ronnie 'beating' jay cutler at 2001? at least dorian didnt loose any of the rounds.
funny thing about the list you posted. guess who beat all 3 of those guys? 2 of which where in the same year that you posted them (shawn in 94 and flex in 93 in which he said that dorian was untoucable. never did say that about ronnie).
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agreed
and ronnie has?
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Thats what I call Bodybuilding !!!, Shawn's posing makes the sport look like a actual ART FORM , it actually makes the sport look legitimate and worthy !!
His shape and condition is inspirational to all novices as it looks achievable and healthy. Shawn and Lee Labrada lent a ART FORM to the sport that no other have done since .
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I bet Shawn lip syncs in the mirror naked to that music wearing lipstick and a blonde wig.
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I bet Shawn lip syncs in the mirror naked to that music wearing lipstick and a blonde wig.
Stop being such a ALPHA MALE and look deep inside yourself to find your feminine side !! :D :-*
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was this more of a mess than ronnie 'beating' jay cutler at 2001?
positively yes.
Ronnie had a better back than Jay in 2001. Better arms. Better chest. Better taper. Hence a debatable contest.
Dorian had...wider lats than Shawn in 1994. and more size. That's it. not much to go on is there?
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and flex in 93 in which he said that dorian was untoucable. never did say that about ronnie).
yes he did.
2003.
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I bet Shawn lip syncs in the mirror naked to that music wearing lipstick and a blonde wig.
wanna see a really gay seeming posing routine- none other than Batman Baker
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positively yes.
Ronnie had a better back than Jay in 2001. Better arms. Better chest. Better taper. Hence a debatable contest.
Dorian had...wider lats than Shawn in 1994. and more size. That's it. not much to go on is there?
Ronnie lost both the symmetry & muscularity rounds to Cutler in 01 and Ronnie won both posing rounds to beat Jay by just 4 points a VERY controversial contest.
Shawn Ray was trailing Kevin Levrone by 6 points going into the night show in 1994 and just barely beat Levrone for second place , Dorian was never in danger of losing that contest.
blind hero-worship allows your flawed thinking that 01 wasn't close and pure bias makes you think 94 was close . its all good you've never been accused of being a rational thinker.
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Ronnie lost both the symmetry & muscularity rounds to Cutler in 01 and Ronnie won both posing rounds to beat Jay by just 4 points a VERY controversial contest.
Shawn Ray was trailing Kevin Levrone by 6 points going into the night show in 1994 and just barely beat Levrone for second place , Dorian was never in danger of losing that contest.
blind hero-worship allows your flawed thinking that 01 wasn't close and pure bias makes you think 94 was close . its all good you've never been accused of being a rational thinker.
you keep acting like the judging in these contests was correct and spot on.
any fool can see that it wasn't ::)
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you keep acting like the judging in these contests was correct and spot on.
any fool can see that it wasn't ::)
You keep acting like you know better than the judges. and its only ' spot-on ' when its concerned with Ronnie ::) and questionable with Dorian when in fact most multiple Olympia winners had some questionable wins . so keep thinking you know more than the judges.
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You keep acting like you know better than the judges. and its only ' spot-on ' when its concerned with Ronnie ::) and questionable with Dorian when in fact most multiple Olympia winners had some questionable wins . so keep thinking you know more than the judges.
keeping thinking that you can judge bodybuilding contests on paper without opening your eyes.
Myself and EVERYONE who has said that Dorian did not deserve to win in 1994 has done so based on our own visual assesement of thier physiques on that night.
Your assesement is based on the scorecard alone.
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compare dorian here to the shawn routine posted. (this clip doesn't show much of Shawn but focases on Dorian)
Dorian had better calves, and wider lats.
but as far as overall quality goes, he would soundly defeated that night.
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keeping thinking that you can judge bodybuilding contests on paper without opening your eyes.
Myself and EVERYONE who has said that Dorian did not deserve to win in 1994 has done so based on our own visual assesement of thier physiques on that night.
Your assesement is based on the scorecard alone.
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compare dorian here to the shawn routine posted. (this clip doesn't show much of Shawn but focases on Dorian)
Dorian had better calves, and wider lats.
but as far as overall quality goes, he would soundly defeated that night.
Again you're basing you assesment on your OWN personal perferences and again with this EVERYONE nonsense , stop seeking comfort in numbers , all that matter is the JUDGES declared he was the obvious winner and not a close winner like Coleman 01 and their opinions are the ONLY ones who matter because they decide who wins and who don't.
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stop seeking comfort in numbers
there are very, very few people who feel that Dorian deserved to win in 1994.
that, when combined with the overwhelming visual evidence, would indicate that Shawn was robbed.
Personal preference?
You prefer this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy32.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy179.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026580.jpg)
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
to this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/shawnray1.jpg)
(http://www.radikalfitness.com/images/clases_historia/mo_94/ray_01.jpg)
you clearly have no idea what muscular qualities are important in a bodybuilding contest..
Its not all about size.
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awesome comparison. I love Yates and his mentality towards training but physque wise, I prefer Shawns.
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you keep acting like the judging in these contests was correct and spot on.
any fool can see that it wasn't ::)
funny, how whenever dorian is involved in a contest and wins, its always the judges were wrong.
but with coleman, the judges are always right. ???
even ronnie knew he lost to jay when he was holding up two fingers. ronnie's back was better, but that was it. just look at any of the pics.
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there are very, very few people who feel that Dorian deserved to win in 1994.
that, when combined with the overwhelming visual evidence, would indicate that Shawn was robbed.
Personal preference?
You prefer this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy32.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy179.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026580.jpg)
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
to this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/shawnray1.jpg)
(http://www.radikalfitness.com/images/clases_historia/mo_94/ray_01.jpg)
you clearly have no idea what muscular qualities are important in a bodybuilding contest..
Its not all about size.
yes, i prefer dorian and the judges did as well.
the first picture you posted of yates is one of his best. i'm suprised you actually showed a good pic of him for once.
hulkster, one question:
are you black?
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Shawn WAS mrO 1994.
Judges think the big man with one bicep was...so he got the check and the statue.
Shawn may be a lot of things, good and bad, but he was MrO 1994 - just not in wieders eyes
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keeping thinking that you can judge bodybuilding contests on paper without opening your eyes.
Myself and EVERYONE who has said that Dorian did not deserve to win in 1994 has done so based on our own visual assesement of thier physiques on that night.
Your assesement is based on the scorecard alone.
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compare dorian here to the shawn routine posted. (this clip doesn't show much of Shawn but focases on Dorian)
Dorian had better calves, and wider lats.
but as far as overall quality goes, he would soundly defeated that night.
WOW. Can anyone do a screenshot of Dorian's back double bicep pose there? He actually looks narrow (for Dorian)!
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yes, i prefer dorian and the judges did as well.
the first picture you posted of yates is one of his best. i'm suprised you actually showed a good pic of him for once.
hulkster, one question:
are you black?
no I am not black.
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the first picture you posted of yates is one of his best. i'm suprised you actually showed a good pic of him for once.
no it isn't - its from 1994 - smooth quads, wide waist, poor taper..
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funny, how whenever dorian is involved in a contest and wins, its always the judges were wrong.
but with coleman, the judges are always right
thats because Yates won based on his size, not necessarily overall quality (except for the lower back and abs):
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy35.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75219.0;attach=82367;image)
Ronnie won because he was big AND had excellent shape and detail in major bodyparts, like arms, quads and chest.
Ronnie had the quality of a flex wheeler or shawn ray, but with the size and lat width of dorian..
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974028279.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
the differences are obviou between Ronnie, Flex (with great shape and quality) and then there is Dorian, who won mainly based on his overwhelming size..
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wanna see a really gay seeming posing routine- none other than Batman Baker
He makes no attempt to hide that gut either.
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Is Shawn Ray still around the BB scene?
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no I am not black.
sure you're not.
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sure you're not.
LOL
I am not black (not that there is anything wrong with that!)
I am a Canadian Caucasian
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Is Shawn Ray still around the BB scene?
Better to keep your mouth shut and be presumed an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt.
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thats because Yates won based on his size, not necessarily overall quality (except for the lower back and abs):
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy35.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75219.0;attach=82367;image)
Ronnie won because he was big AND had excellent shape and detail in major bodyparts, like arms, quads and chest.
Ronnie had the quality of a flex wheeler or shawn ray, but with the size and lat width of dorian..
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974028279.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
the differences are obviou between Ronnie, Flex (with great shape and quality) and then there is Dorian, who won mainly based on his overwhelming size..
what about nasser, paul, fux, and kevin's size. yates wasnt overwhelming them in size, but won on conditioning. if great shape and quality were the most important things then melvin anthony and darrem charles would be mr. olympia. yates won bc he presented the best package, from all angles. you act like her barely won, like most of ronnie's wins against much, much lesser competition.
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positively yes.
Ronnie had a better back than Jay in 2001. Better arms. Better chest. Better taper. Hence a debatable contest.
Dorian had...wider lats than Shawn in 1994. and more size. That's it. not much to go on is there?
The only thing Ronnie had on Jay in 2001 was back. And that's it. Jay had better everything else AND THE JUDGES AGREED...that was until the power's that be decided that Coleman was going to win despite losing the contest (prejudging).
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and in the same light, 2001 was very , very different from 1994.
-In 1994, Dorian DID NOT lose any rounds to Shawn Ray
-In 2001, Ronnie was outmuscled by Jay Cutler and had worse symmetry PLUS a monster gut
-In 1994, Dorian made Shawn Ray look like a little child
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and in the same light, 2001 was very , very different from 1994.
-In 1994, Dorian DID NOT lose any rounds to Shawn Ray
-In 2001, Ronnie was outmuscled by Jay Cutler and had worse symmetry PLUS a monster gut
-In 1994, Dorian made Shawn Ray look like a little child
^You are just joking with this statement, right?
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Whata ironic is he says how much of a travisty it was that Shawn lost in 1994 , when in fact he was BEHIND Levrone going into the nightshow ,and he only edged out Kev in the posing rounds and when he placed ahead of Levrone it was meet with thunderous boos
this is a fact plain & simple , Dorian Yates was NEVER in danger of losing to Shawn Ray in 1994 ! it wasn't even close not on paper and not in reality.
Hulkster you'd have something to work with if it was close on points , like Coleman/Flex 98 Coleman/Cutler 01 or Coleman/Levrone 02 but you have nothing ( except bias )
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Whata ironic is he says how much of a travisty it was that Shawn lost in 1994 , when in fact he was BEHIND Levrone going into the nightshow ,and he only edged out Kev in the posing rounds and when he placed ahead of Levrone it was meet with thunderous boos
this is a fact plain & simple , Dorian Yates was NEVER in danger of losing to Shawn Ray in 1994 ! it wasn't even close not on paper and not in reality.
Hulkster you'd have something to work with if it was close on points , like Coleman/Flex 98 Coleman/Cutler 01 or Coleman/Levrone 02 but you have nothing ( except bias )
not to mention there was thunderous applaus when Dorian won the crown again ;)
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not to mention there was thunderous applaus when Dorian won the crown again ;)
Hi NarcissisticDeity
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hard to believe how delusion hulkster really is.
he thinks yates is the same caliber of kamali and ken jones. refuses to acknowledge just how good dorian was. it can be bad judging for dorian, but not for coleman despite what the score sheets say or even the audience in attendance.
acts like dorian was 400 lbs on stage and just won bc he was so much bigger than everyone else.
continually posts 'bad' pictures of dorian, and if its a good picture, makes ridiculous comments on taper or how something is soft. but bad pics of coleman dont exist, at least according to him. then he'll post another pic of dorian from 1990 or one with a bad angel or him relaxing in the lineup.
on another note, hulkster, do you know what dorian went through for some of his olympias? from his injuries, he didnt even really train the last 8 weeks before a show, when most guys do the most work 2 months out. that happened in 94 and 97 and he still dominated.
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Whata ironic is he says how much of a travisty it was that Shawn lost in 1994 , when in fact he was BEHIND Levrone going into the nightshow ,and he only edged out Kev in the posing rounds and when he placed ahead of Levrone it was meet with thunderous boos
this is a fact plain & simple , Dorian Yates was NEVER in danger of losing to Shawn Ray in 1994 ! it wasn't even close not on paper and not in reality.
Hulkster you'd have something to work with if it was close on points , like Coleman/Flex 98 Coleman/Cutler 01 or Coleman/Levrone 02 but you have nothing ( except bias )
this means nothing if you are truly objective. judges can say one thing, but the naked eye of an unbiased observer sees another- that ray was clearly the best, levrone second, and yates at best third
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this means nothing if you are truly objective. judges can say one thing, but the naked eye of an unbiased observer sees another- that ray was clearly the best, levrone second, and yates at best third
So you're claiming the judges are biased? and not objective? do you presume to know more than the judges? and their opinion mean everything because in the end they pick who is the best.
whats ironic is Ray said he got the place he deserved so while you may have personally like the package Ray presented better than Yates its nothing more than your opinion .
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do you presume to know more than the judges?
its not about "knowing" than the judges.
Its about objectively judging muscular qualities such as shape, vascularity, detail and quality, something that Dorian was far trailing behind shawn in 1994.
Use your eyes man and watch the clips and look at the pics.
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he thinks yates is the same caliber of kamali and ken jones. refuses to acknowledge just how good dorian was.
no, I call them as I see them - yates had unimpressive taper, overall detail (except for lower back and abs), arms, chest and quads.
put all that together and you get THIS:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30855.0;id=29844;image)
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1658&stc=1)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/95%20olympia/2.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
(http://www.cn-fitness.com/olympia2/dorian_yates_new_defalt.gif)
smooth arms, smooth quads. not very impresive for a 6 time Mr. O.
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994107.jpg)
its not delusion. Its called speaking the truth.
It takes more than a great lower back and abs to impress me.
It takes great arms, quads delts chest and detail too.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974182578.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=910&stc=1)
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=89573.0;attach=96726;image)
sorry, but shawn, ronnie and flex at thier best have a lot better shape, detail and overall quality than dorian did in my opinion. Just look at these shots.
Dorian was lacking in huge areas (chest, arms, quads, delts, taper etc) in comparison.
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So you're claiming the judges are biased? and not objective? do you presume to know more than the judges? and their opinion mean everything because in the end they pick who is the best.
whats ironic is Ray said he got the place he deserved so while you may have personally like the package Ray presented better than Yates its nothing more than your opinion .
i really wish this dick knob would delete his account or just post pictures without comment. you and also hulkster (by encouraging your mindless responses) are ruining nearly every thread. go back to that stupid ass 350 page thread about dorian and ronnie
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its not about "knowing" than the judges.
Its about objectively judging muscular qualities such as shape, vascularity, detail and quality, something that Dorian was far trailing behind shawn in 1994.
Use your eyes man and watch the clips and look at the pics.
Again this statement presumes to know for than the judges who were there , live and in person , this is why you're an internet-fan and you look at a few scans and compressed video and claim to know lol
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hulkster still claiming he's not black. ::)
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Again this statement presumes to know for than the judges who were there , live and in person , this is why you're an internet-fan and you look at a few scans and compressed video and claim to know lol
if the shape and detail are not evident in video and in pics in some competitors but are in others, you can be that they are not there in those who do not show it..
you don't have to be sitting in front of dorian to see that his arms and quads do not have the shape and detail of a Ronnie coleman or a Flex Wheeler..
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hulkster still claiming he's not black. ::)
does that mean that you think that the scores of people who think that dorian should have lost in 1994 or that Ronnie is better than Dorian are also black? ::)
you are an idiot.
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if the shape and detail are not evident in video and in pics in some competitors but are in others, you can be that they are not there in those who do not show it..
you don't have to be sitting in front of dorian to see that his arms and quads do not have the shape and detail of a Ronnie coleman or a Flex Wheeler..
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Selective criteria on your behalf . Yates has the edge in muscular bulk , density , conditioning , stop trying to pick small edges and claim a victory it doesn't work that way and Dorian doesn't need to have the best shape in the world to beat those who do , this is a fact , he beat Flex Wheeler who was one of the best shaped guys of the last 20 years , ever wonder why? stop trying to reduce Dorian's strenghts down to calves & back because there is NO way in hell he would win 15 of 17 if that were true .
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no, I call them as I see them - yates had unimpressive taper, overall detail (except for lower back and abs), arms, chest and quads.
put all that together and you get THIS:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30855.0;id=29844;image)
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1658&stc=1)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/95%20olympia/2.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
(http://www.cn-fitness.com/olympia2/dorian_yates_new_defalt.gif)
smooth arms, smooth quads. not very impresive for a 6 time Mr. O.
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994107.jpg)
its not delusion. Its called speaking the truth.
It takes more than a great lower back and abs to impress me.
It takes great arms, quads delts chest and detail too.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974182578.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=910&stc=1)
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=89573.0;attach=96726;image)
sorry, but shawn, ronnie and flex at thier best have a lot better shape, detail and overall quality than dorian did in my opinion. Just look at these shots.
Dorian was lacking in huge areas (chest, arms, quads, delts, taper etc) in comparison.
once again, hulkster posting the worst pics of yates he can find.
i guess, according to you, mass, hardness, and seperation dont count for much.
would you rather be smaller, softer, and more defined or bigger, thicker, and harder?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy213.jpg)
chest, arms, delts, mid section look fine to me (and obviously the judges)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy52.jpg)
what a taper looks like on a mass monster
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy4.jpg)
from the 94 Olympia
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy174.jpg)
shawn getting dwrafed as well as being softer.
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hulkster still claiming he's not black. ::)
He did refer to Dorian as the " blocky white guy " that struck me odd .
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He did refer to Dorian as the " blocky white guy " that struck me odd .
as well as jay cutler. another white bodybuilder who hulkster hates.
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as well as jay cutler. another white bodybuilder who hulkster hates.
He also claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder ............ever lol and he also claimed Matt Mendenhall was blocky ???
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don't even start the race game ND, for every single time it is a white bodybuilder vs a black one,
eg,
Arnold vs. Ronnie
Yates vs Ronnie
Labrada vs. Ray
Paris vs. Ronnie
Revees vs. anyone
you have choosen the "white guy" every single time.
:P
Just because I value shape, detail and muscular quality (ie shawn, flex, ronnie over dorian) does not mean that I am black.
I am as white as can be.
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He also claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder ............ever lol and he also claimed Matt Mendenhall was blocky ???
the pics and videos clearly show that dorian was at the very least overrated, and that video of Matt posted a while back PROVES that during his comeback, he was blocky.
ND owned again.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy213.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman01.jpg)
the fact that I prefer ronnie has nothing to do with colour.
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(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy4.jpg)
wide waist.
small arms and chest for his frame.
smooth quads.
Why are you posting pics that prove exactly what I am saying?
not exactly the best way to prove your point.
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(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy4.jpg)
wide waist.
small arms and chest for his frame.
smooth quads.
Why are you posting pics that prove exactly what I am saying?
not exactly the best way to prove your point.
well i think it proves my point and proves you wrong. you can see how hard is legs are and if his lats werent so big, his arms would look bigger.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy213.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman01.jpg)
the fact that I prefer ronnie has nothing to do with colour.
no one cares if you prefer ronnie, its your constant bashing of dorian that is the problem.
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the pics and videos clearly show that dorian was at the very least overrated, and that video of Matt posted a while back PROVES that during his comeback, he was blocky.
ND owned again.
at the very least overrated?
he DOMINATED an era where some of the greatest bbers of all time competed in their prime. competition not seen neither before or since, how does that constitute overrated? yeah, you can say he was blocky, which he was, but overrated is just fuccking retarted and completely untrue.
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competition not seen neither before or since, how does that constitute overrated?
because he looks like this at his best:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy183.jpg)
and beat guys that look like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
thats why.
Look I am not saying that dorian never deserved to be Mr. O. But with arms, legs, blocky taper and chest like that, I would say that the guy was overrated at the very least.
any fool should be able to see the quality differences in the shots I just posted.
and no, that is not a bad shot of dorian. It is at his very best all time pre-tear shape, the 1993 Mr. O.
Size was too much in vouge during his reign. That much should be very, very obvious.
I am not "bashing dorian" I am simply calling them as I see them: his taper, arms, chest and quads were not up to the standard of his calves, lats and back.
its that simple.
Everyone has flaws.
But having flaws as huge as quads chest and your arms, well, thats a bit much to brush off. It makes you seem overrated. Plain and simple.
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well i think it proves my point and proves you wrong. you can see how hard is legs are and if his lats werent so big, his arms would look bigger.
1. well if Ronnie's quads weren't so big, his calves would look bigger ::) And ND claims Dorian is far more balanced than Ronnie ::)
2. it doesn't matter how "hard" his quads are, they were still smooth compared to other top pros, like Chris, Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and Flex.
You guys are getting owned royally..
You are trying to argue a losing argument..
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why have you turned this inot a another ronnie vs dorian thread, you guys need to get a life. ::)
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why have you turned this inot a another ronnie vs dorian thread, you guys need to get a life. ::)
my sentiments exactly. fucking losers.
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1. well if Ronnie's quads weren't so big, his calves would look bigger ::) And ND claims Dorian is far more balanced than Ronnie ::)
2. it doesn't matter how "hard" his quads are, they were still smooth compared to other top pros, like Chris, Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and Flex.
You guys are getting owned royally..
You are trying to argue a losing argument..
of course, if ronnie's legs werent so big, his calves would look bigger.
have you ever seen a video of dorian at mr. o. he does a "thigh stomp" before the abs and thigh pose. nothing moves when he does it. no other pro can do that. if they were smooth, they would shake.
have you ever seen a video of dorian at mr. o. he does a "thigh stomp" before the abs and thigh pose. nothing moves when he does it. no other pro can do that. if they were smooth, they would shake.
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Dorian had some awesome forearm thickness. You got to give him that.
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Dorian had some awesome forearm thickness. You got to give him that.
holy mother of god 8)
he has to beat ronnie now! ;D
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have you ever seen a video of dorian at mr. o. he does a "thigh stomp" before the abs and thigh pose. nothing moves when he does it. no other pro can do that. if they were smooth, they would shake.
yes I have - on youtube.
and when he freezes his thigh, it is as smooth as a baby's ass... :-\ (at least in comparison to ronnie, shawn, flex, kevin, and chris :))
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positively yes.
Ronnie had a better back than Jay in 2001. Better arms. Better chest. Better taper. Hence a debatable contest.
Dorian had...wider lats than Shawn in 1994. and more size. That's it. not much to go on is there?
Dorian has wider lats, bigger chest, bigger delts, bigger calves and when two stood together Doryan dominated and Shawn looked a midget.
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You can guys cooment on 3732732 pages.
But see the Mr 94 when three kevin, doryan and shaws stay together waiting for the place them given. Doryan billions years ahead.
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why have you turned this inot a another ronnie vs dorian thread, you guys need to get a life. ::)
And it's weird that they spend so much time trying to decide who's the better sub-par, flawed Mr. Olympia.
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That is not a posing routine. It looks more like a "So you think you can dance" out take. Why all the fruity spinning?
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yes I have - on youtube.
and when he freezes his thigh, it is as smooth as a baby's ass... :-\ (at least in comparison to ronnie, shawn, flex, kevin, and chris :))
and that's why they ever came close to beating dorian. ::)
but they all beat guys bigger than dorian - nasser, paul, fux, francois, etc.
how about saying "owned" in a british accent.
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and that's why they ever came close to beating dorian. ::)
but they all beat guys bigger than dorian - nasser, paul, fux, francois, etc.
how about saying "owned" in a british accent.
ownT