Shawn Ray 94 on youtube

[NarcissisticDeity]

if the shape and detail are not evident in video and in pics in some competitors but are in others, you can be that they are not there in those who do not show it..

you don't have to be sitting in front of dorian to see that his arms and quads do not have the shape and detail of a Ronnie coleman or a Flex Wheeler..

 

Selective criteria on your behalf . Yates has the edge in muscular bulk , density , conditioning , stop trying to pick small edges and claim a victory it doesn't work that way and Dorian doesn't need to have the best shape in the world to beat those who do , this is a fact , he beat Flex Wheeler who was one of the best shaped guys of the last 20 years , ever wonder why? stop trying to reduce Dorian's strenghts down to calves & back because there is NO way in hell he would win 15 of 17 if that were true .

[IceCold]

no, I call them as I see them - yates had unimpressive taper, overall detail (except for lower back and abs), arms, chest and quads.

put all that together and you get THIS:







smooth arms, smooth quads. not very impresive for a 6 time Mr. O.


its not delusion. Its called speaking the truth.

It takes more than a great lower back and abs to impress me.

It takes great arms, quads delts chest and detail too.








sorry, but shawn, ronnie and flex at thier best have a lot better shape, detail and overall quality than dorian did in my opinion. Just look at these shots. 

Dorian was lacking in huge areas (chest, arms, quads, delts, taper etc) in comparison.

once again, hulkster posting the worst pics of yates he can find.

i guess, according to you, mass, hardness, and seperation dont count for much.

would you rather be smaller, softer, and more defined or bigger, thicker, and harder?




chest, arms, delts, mid section look fine to me (and obviously the judges)



what a taper looks like on a mass monster


from the 94 Olympia


shawn getting dwrafed as well as being softer.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

hulkster still claiming he's not black.   

He did refer to Dorian as the " blocky white guy " that struck me odd .

[IceCold]

He did refer to Dorian as the " blocky white guy " that struck me odd .

as well as jay cutler.  another white bodybuilder who hulkster hates.

[NarcissisticDeity]

as well as jay cutler.  another white bodybuilder who hulkster hates.

He also claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder ............ever lol and he also claimed Matt Mendenhall was blocky 

[Hulkster]

don't even start the race game ND, for every single time it is a white bodybuilder vs a black one,

eg,

Arnold vs. Ronnie
Yates vs Ronnie
Labrada vs. Ray
Paris vs. Ronnie
Revees vs. anyone

you have choosen the "white guy" every single time.

 

Just because I value shape, detail and muscular quality (ie shawn, flex, ronnie over dorian) does not mean that I am black.

I am as white as can be.

[Hulkster]

He also claimed Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder ............ever lol and he also claimed Matt Mendenhall was blocky 

the pics and videos clearly show that dorian was at the very least overrated, and that video of Matt posted a while back PROVES that during his comeback, he was blocky.

ND owned again.

[Hulkster]

the fact that I prefer ronnie has nothing to do with colour.

[Hulkster]

wide waist.
small arms and chest for his frame.
smooth quads.

Why are you posting pics that prove exactly what I am saying?

not exactly the best way to prove your point.

[IceCold]

wide waist.
small arms and chest for his frame.
smooth quads.

Why are you posting pics that prove exactly what I am saying?

not exactly the best way to prove your point.

well i think it proves my point and proves you wrong.  you can see how hard is legs are and if his lats werent so big, his arms would look bigger.

[IceCold]

the fact that I prefer ronnie has nothing to do with colour.

no one cares if you prefer ronnie, its your constant bashing of dorian that is the problem.

[IceCold]

the pics and videos clearly show that dorian was at the very least overrated, and that video of Matt posted a while back PROVES that during his comeback, he was blocky.

ND owned again.

at the very least overrated?


he DOMINATED an era where some of the greatest bbers of all time competed in their prime.  competition not seen neither before or since,  how does that constitute overrated?  yeah, you can say he was blocky, which he was, but overrated is just fuccking retarted and completely untrue.

[Hulkster]

competition not seen neither before or since,  how does that constitute overrated?

because he looks like this at his best:



and beat guys that look like this:


thats why.

Look I am not saying that dorian never deserved to be Mr. O. But with arms, legs, blocky taper and chest like that, I would say that the guy was overrated at the very least.

any fool should be able to see the quality differences in the shots I just posted.

and no, that is not a bad shot of dorian. It is at his very best all time pre-tear shape, the 1993 Mr. O.

Size was too much in vouge during his reign.  That much should be very, very obvious.

I am not "bashing dorian" I am simply calling them as I see them: his taper, arms, chest and quads were not up to the standard of his calves, lats and back.

its that simple.

Everyone has flaws.

But having flaws as huge as quads chest and your arms, well, thats a bit much to brush off.  It makes you seem overrated. Plain and simple.

[Hulkster]

well i think it proves my point and proves you wrong.  you can see how hard is legs are and if his lats werent so big, his arms would look bigger.

1. well if Ronnie's quads weren't so big, his calves would look bigger And ND claims Dorian is far more balanced than Ronnie

2. it doesn't matter how "hard" his quads are, they were still smooth compared to other top pros, like Chris, Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and Flex.

You guys are getting owned royally..

You are trying to argue a losing argument..

[davidpaul]

why have you turned this inot a another ronnie vs dorian thread, you guys need to get a life.

[willie mosconi]

why have you turned this inot a another ronnie vs dorian thread, you guys need to get a life.

my sentiments exactly. fucking losers.

[IceCold]

1. well if Ronnie's quads weren't so big, his calves would look bigger And ND claims Dorian is far more balanced than Ronnie

2. it doesn't matter how "hard" his quads are, they were still smooth compared to other top pros, like Chris, Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and Flex.

You guys are getting owned royally..

You are trying to argue a losing argument..

of course, if ronnie's legs werent so big, his calves would look bigger.

have you ever seen a video of dorian at mr. o.  he does a "thigh stomp" before the abs and thigh pose.  nothing moves when he does it.  no other pro can do that.  if they were smooth, they would shake.

have you ever seen a video of dorian at mr. o.  he does a "thigh stomp" before the abs and thigh pose.  nothing moves when he does it.  no other pro can do that.  if they were smooth, they would shake.

[bailey]

Dorian had some awesome forearm thickness. You got to give him that.

[Hulkster]

Dorian had some awesome forearm thickness. You got to give him that.

holy mother of god

he has to beat ronnie now!

[Hulkster]

have you ever seen a video of dorian at mr. o.  he does a "thigh stomp" before the abs and thigh pose.  nothing moves when he does it.  no other pro can do that.  if they were smooth, they would shake.

yes I have - on youtube.


and when he freezes his thigh, it is as smooth as a baby's ass... (at least in comparison to ronnie, shawn, flex, kevin, and chris

[theonlyone]

positively yes.

Ronnie had a better back than Jay in 2001. Better arms. Better chest. Better taper. Hence a debatable contest.

Dorian had...wider lats than Shawn in 1994. and more size. That's it. not much to go on is there?

Dorian has wider lats, bigger chest, bigger delts, bigger calves and when two stood together Doryan dominated and Shawn looked a midget.

[theonlyone]

You can guys cooment on 3732732 pages.
But see the Mr 94 when three kevin, doryan and shaws stay together waiting for the place them given. Doryan billions years ahead.

[donrhummy]

why have you turned this inot a another ronnie vs dorian thread, you guys need to get a life.

And it's weird that they spend so much time trying to decide who's the better sub-par, flawed Mr. Olympia.

[Adam Empire]

That is not a posing routine.  It looks more like a "So you think you can dance" out take.  Why all the fruity spinning?

[IceCold]

yes I have - on youtube.


and when he freezes his thigh, it is as smooth as a baby's ass... (at least in comparison to ronnie, shawn, flex, kevin, and chris

and that's why they ever came close to beating dorian.   

but they all beat guys bigger than dorian - nasser, paul, fux, francois, etc.  

how about saying "owned" in a british accent.