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Title: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:35:13 PM
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Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Big N on September 14, 2006, 09:36:14 PM
Gustavo looks better what's going on here?



???
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Stavios on September 14, 2006, 09:37:35 PM
Monster stolen pictures from musclemayhem  ;D
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Marty Champions on September 14, 2006, 09:39:29 PM
i havent been this impressed with jay in about 10 years much improvment. his abs look alot tighter and better over all finally a white dude thats almost as awesome as me and adonis and alexx!!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:39:42 PM
Gustavo looks better what's going on here?



???

You are kidding right?

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Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Matt C on September 14, 2006, 09:40:23 PM
He's looking very well.  Pretty much as I expected.  I'm not sure why Jay has such difficulty understanding that even IF he deserves to win, he won't.  Optimism is cool, but not when it overshadows realism.  Jay is looking to take another strong second this year.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:40:38 PM
Monster stolen pictures from musclemayhem  ;D

No Shit - hence the reason Dave get's the credit for the photos!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: IFBBwannaB on September 14, 2006, 09:41:17 PM
Hmm he looks similar to when he slimed down for the ASC,but alitle bigger.
His quad diffrence is showing again.

He looks good,very dry.But I dont see him as a threat to Ronnie.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: dorkeroo on September 14, 2006, 09:41:35 PM
You are kidding right?

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Agreed. Jay looks better.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:41:49 PM
Jay better do something in the next few days or he is owned by the top 5 no offense.....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Big Worm on September 14, 2006, 09:44:06 PM
 He look's realy good!   But the only thing that matter's.. is how they look on the day!

 These guy's are on so much shit...they always manage to mess something up..at the last minute !
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: M75 on September 14, 2006, 09:46:39 PM
Cutler looks great.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:48:59 PM
Looks great but not enough to take the current pros...Sorry, I love Jay, but he is a joke to the up-and-coming.........
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Dball on September 14, 2006, 09:49:49 PM
welcome to the best damn white bodybuilder on the planet...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Wombat on September 14, 2006, 09:50:02 PM
i think once he pulls the water out, he will be fine...Looks hard in the photos...I too see the right side, left side diff-going on...Could be the camera angle though...

I'll be interested in seeing what Victor M. brings to the table...If Victor can come in super dry, i think he can beat cutler...

Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: AVBG on September 14, 2006, 09:50:41 PM
Jay will be ready.  :o
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: pobrecito on September 14, 2006, 09:51:10 PM
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Is this a joke ???....Cutler's back is in no way shape or form that of a Mr. Olympia. End of story.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:51:26 PM
but he is a joke to the up-and-coming.........

Please explain - I don't think you know what you are talking about.  Joke huh?  I'd say he's doing rather well............

2000 Night of Champions 1st place;

2000 Mr. Olympia, 8th place;

2000 Mr. Olympia Rome, 2nd place;

2000 English Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2001 Mr. Olympia, 2nd place;

2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 IronMan Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2003 Russia Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2003 British Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 Dutch Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 GNC Show of Strength, 2nd place;

2004 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2004 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2005 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

If that's a joke to the up and coming, they either are jealous of Jay or are just plain f*cking dumb!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: John Romano on September 14, 2006, 09:53:09 PM
Gustavo looks like he is ready to rain in theat picture.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:55:11 PM
If I am retarded than i will admit I am wrong any day of the week...The sad fact is that Jay doesn't add up to the conditioning and structure that is the future of bodybuilding...Take it from someone who really knows.....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:57:18 PM
Please explain - I don't think you know what you are talking about.  Joke huh?  I'd say he's doing rather well............

2000 Night of Champions 1st place;

2000 Mr. Olympia, 8th place;

2000 Mr. Olympia Rome, 2nd place;

2000 English Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2001 Mr. Olympia, 2nd place;

2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 IronMan Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2003 Russia Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2003 British Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 Dutch Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 GNC Show of Strength, 2nd place;

2004 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2004 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2005 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

If that's a joke to the up and coming, they either are jealous of Jay or are just plain f*cking dumb!

I could post careers of bodybuilders that had better careers than Jay also that never had an Olympia crown to their collection....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: pobrecito on September 14, 2006, 09:57:43 PM
Jay actually does look a lot smaller than last year....he is probably trying to beat Coleman on conditioning ala 2001.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:58:52 PM
I could post careers of bodybuilders that had better careers than Jay also that never had an Olympia crown to their collection....

Yeah, nothing less than 2nd place since 2000.  Yeah, that's a joke alright.  You don't know shit!  Post your lists and prepare to own yourself.  There are several great bodybuilders who never won an Olympia...Ray and Wheeler come to mind, but they weren't jokes were they? 
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 09:59:30 PM
Jay actually does look a lot smaller than last year....he is probably trying to beat Coleman on conditioning ala 2001.

I will agree with anyone that Jay owned Big Ron in 2001 and should have have taken the Mr.Olympia from him....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: body88 on September 14, 2006, 10:00:13 PM
Gustavo looks better what's going on here?



???


Shut up you fucking idiot.....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: body88 on September 14, 2006, 10:02:16 PM
Jay better do something in the next few days or he is owned by the top 5 no offense.....

Do you you live life every day knowing you are a dumb fuck face?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:02:58 PM
Yeah, nothing less than 2nd place since 2000.  Yeah, that's a joke alright.  You don't know shit!  Post your lists and prepare to own yourself.

How bout your brush up on your bodybuilding history and know that I know Jay should have won in 2001, but no way in 2000... Please understand that I judge competitions to this day...And that I am not judging you from your comments because they add entertainment value just as mine due.....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Tigerman on September 14, 2006, 10:04:03 PM
Jay actually does look a lot smaller than last year....he is probably trying to beat Coleman on conditioning ala 2001.
I agree! Jay is smaller and he's risking to lose his second place. I am in no way a Badell fan but he does look bigger in the new pictures, he might beat Jay...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: body88 on September 14, 2006, 10:04:14 PM
Okay post them.  He looks like he is in great condition and looks like he CAN bring it home.  The gut problems are cleared up and he has great outer quad sweep and symmetry.  People knocked him for going big last year and now he is too small?  Give me a break.

I know right. Ripped with great line at 260... Oh yah at 5'9. So small. These are the same clowns claiming phil h is huge! 225 at 5'11!!!!!! Jay has a tight waist, great lines this year and will be shredded come O time.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:05:41 PM
How bout your brush up on your bodybuilding history and know that I know Jay should have won in 2001, but no way in 2000... Please understand that I judge competitions to this day...And that I am not judging you from your comments because they add entertainment value just as mine due.....

My history if fine - I just posted Jay's history - I would be pretty damn proud of that record.  You said other bodybuilders think he's a joke - they must be stupid right?  A joke for chasing Ronnie?  EVERYONE is chasing the Champ!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:07:03 PM
I know right. Ripped with great line at 260... Oh yah at 5'9. So small. These are the same clowns claiming phil h is huge! 225 at 5'11!!!!!! Jay has a tight waist, great lines this year and will be shredded come O time.

The sad fact is that he doesn't have what it takes to take Mr. Olympia and we all know this....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: amoney86 on September 14, 2006, 10:09:24 PM
my god jay looks incredible. that lat spread is huge look at it!!!!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Karl Kox on September 14, 2006, 10:09:51 PM
looks about the same as always to me
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:10:03 PM
The sad fact is that he doesn't have what it takes to take Mr. Olympia and we all know this....

I disagree - he's claimed 2nd what 4 years in a row?  No Ronnie and Jay is a 4-time winner.  He has what it takes.  Unfortunately for him, Ronnie is on another planet and has been for a very long time.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: ali23 on September 14, 2006, 10:10:21 PM
my god jay looks incredible. that lat spread is huge look at it!!!!

it's that massage therapist that jay flies in for!!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:11:37 PM
My history if fine - I just posted Jay's history - I would be pretty damn proud of that record.  You said other bodybuilders think he's a joke - they must be stupid right?  A joke for chasing Ronnie?  EVERYONE is chasing the Champ!

Look Brother I don't know what happened to my posts first off... And no, I don't support Big Ron...I don't give a shit if he is champ...Another deserves to be champ in my opinion...Don't hold me to my opinion cause in is a professional opinion....But structure will be rewarded very soon no matter how many posts of mine get erased...Jay and Ronnie will be now more sorry.....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: tony b on September 14, 2006, 10:14:55 PM
He looks like he is coming in potentially lighter than last year. His waist/obliques look pretty tight. Should be a good showing for Jay. Hopefully for him its not like the Arnold Classic where he tried to get ultra shredded and ended up looking flat/small, especially in the upper body.

Looks like he will be ready. Doesnt appear to have a lot of water to drop..
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 14, 2006, 10:15:17 PM
Can yall keep a secret?

I actually called Gustavo this past summer and told him I was John Romano.  I told him we were moving the O to October 30th this year, so he could start his diet a little late this year.  So he is really 45 days out.  HTH.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:16:48 PM
Can yall keep a secret?

I actually called Gustavo this past summer and told him I was John Romano.  I told him we were moving the O to October 30th this year, so he could start his diet a little late this year.  So he is really 45 days out.  HTH.


Amazing Bullshit left by Rob once again.....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: body88 on September 14, 2006, 10:17:07 PM
The sad fact is that he doesn't have what it takes to take Mr. Olympia and we all know this....

he cannot beat ronnie.... Who can? he is better than any of the other guys gunning tho.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 14, 2006, 10:18:37 PM
Smaller Hey!  He's 287 in these shots.
I guess you could say smaller yes.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:20:07 PM
Smaller Hey!  He's 287 in these shots.
I guess you could say smaller yes.

Dave, what's he going to compete at?  270ish?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: tony b on September 14, 2006, 10:21:07 PM
Smaller Hey!  He's 287 in these shots.
I guess you could say smaller yes.

Well he was in the 290s at this stage last year wasnt he??
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Knows_Everything on September 14, 2006, 10:21:23 PM
Jay looks ok to me, i would have wanted to see some drastic changes to his physique, but i don't see much difference from last year ??? He will be 2nd once again ::)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:22:13 PM
Well he was in the 290s at this stage last year wasnt he??

Tony, he wasn't that heavy - I don't think.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Adam Empire on September 14, 2006, 10:24:32 PM
It looks like Jay learned that crispness will give him his best shot.  He looks miles better than Gus - holding water or not.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:25:45 PM
It looks like Jay learned that crispness will give him his best shot.  He looks miles better than Gus - holding water or not.

Gunter has to come in "perfect" to beat Jay sorry....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: tony b on September 14, 2006, 10:27:49 PM
Tony, he wasn't that heavy - I don't think.

Might have been earlier in the diet last year. Oh well I suppose to see him compete in the 270s at 5'9 thats big.

I agree with you Adam, it looks like he must have stayed pretty lean year round, or had a really long diet to refrain from having to drop heaps of weight in the last couple weeks.

Good idea to get the tan happening as well.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: airrick on September 14, 2006, 10:28:09 PM
Jay physique and record ain't no joke, but WHY is every year everyone proclaims "it's jay's year!"???
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 14, 2006, 10:28:59 PM
He was 285 at 7 weeks out last year.
All the photographer can't get over the progress he's made compare to last year.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: PhoenixBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:30:47 PM
He was 285 at 7 weeks out last year.
All the photographer can't get over the progress he's made compare to last year.

Thanks Dave, he looks fantastic with still over 2 weeks to go. 
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:30:58 PM
Jay physique and record ain't no joke, but WHY is every year everyone proclaims "it's jay's year!"???

Because it makes them feel better at night to know there will always be a runner up to Mr. Olympia that just couldn't cut it....Mark my words Jay is great, but will never be a Mr.Olympia because of structure flaws.......
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:33:01 PM
Because it makes them feel better at night to know there will always be a runner up to Mr. Olympia that just couldn't cut it....Mark my words Jay is great, but will never be a Mr.Olympia because of structure flaws.......

Look, I believe Jay had it in 2001, but he has much more competition coming up...sorry but he can't hang with the future....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Danny on September 14, 2006, 10:36:09 PM
He looks very sharp for three weeks out, might surprise everybody and come in looking like he did in 2001 maybe a tad heavier and that would be very smart. I'm sure he paid attention to the fact that last year, his mid section wasn't as good as in the past  and it seems like he corrected the problem. He looks much more refined in these pics and could take Ronnie....wait and see. ;)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 10:37:38 PM
He looks very sharp for three weeks out, might surprise everybody and come in looking like he did in 2001 maybe a tad heavier and that would be very smart. I'm sure he paid attention to the fact that last year, his mid section wasn't as good as in the past  and it seems like he corrected the problem. He looks much more refined in these pics and could take Ronnie....wait and see. ;)

Jay looks like all the top 5 except Big Ron........
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: geeves20022000 on September 14, 2006, 11:14:23 PM
his lower back, glutes/hamstring tie actually look tighter than in years past, which is a problem for him, with over 2 weeks to go , he is looking good, waist is tight and shoulder/waist ration is looking good.
He doesnt look like he has too much fat to lose and then the water.

Bob what do you think about the photos?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 11:16:13 PM
his lower back, glutes/hamstring tie actually look tighter than in years past, which is a problem for him, with over 2 weeks to go , he is looking good, waist is tight and shoulder/waist ration is looking good.
He doesnt look like he has too much fat to lose and then the water.

Bob what do you think about the photos?

Asking a man that was given a gift so sad...But he does have good insight right????LoL
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: geeves20022000 on September 14, 2006, 11:19:24 PM
regardless of the masters fiasco,
he does know a lot of pros, has seen pre comp photos before of jay and maybe other olympia competitors, so he might as well give his opinion.
He has been competing a while and just interested to hear his input.  I think jay looks good, but ronnie will have to come in off or jay has to be absolutely shredded to win.  Unfortunately in bodybuilding, its hard to beat the champ
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on September 14, 2006, 11:27:39 PM
regardless of the masters fiasco,
he does know a lot of pros, has seen pre comp photos before of jay and maybe other olympia competitors, so he might as well give his opinion.
He has been competing a while and just interested to hear his input.  I think jay looks good, but ronnie will have to come in off or jay has to be absolutely shredded to win.  Unfortunately in bodybuilding, its hard to beat the champ

Wow....Without proof other than a newbie posting support for Jay on getbig doesn't get you anywhere... Sorry...But I am not arguing your point for I am around certain individuals that do affect the Olympias top 6....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: IFBBwannaB on September 15, 2006, 03:07:58 AM
He was 285 at 7 weeks out last year.
All the photographer can't get over the progress he's made compare to last year.

There is no denying he looks good,but do you think he can take Ronnie?
This is gonna be a good fight  ;D :o
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: George Whorewell on September 15, 2006, 04:03:12 AM
He looks 100 X better then he did last year at this time and his stomach looks to be smaller, his back looks to be bigger and you can see the striations in his glutes. What the fuck are you idiots talking about?

Who knows if its his year ( it probably isnt no matter how good he looks) but unless your typing in braile and have your seeing eye dog sign you into get big, theres no way you can knock how he looks. 
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MAXX on September 15, 2006, 04:15:42 AM
Jay looks great. Back looks thicker and with that conditioning he could step on stage right now!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: irish_strenght on September 15, 2006, 04:16:19 AM
hopefully he doesnt go to low on the carbs and lose muscle again like at the arnold
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: vinnyvee on September 15, 2006, 04:23:58 AM
He's looking very well.  Pretty much as I expected.  I'm not sure why Jay has such difficulty understanding that even IF he deserves to win, he won't.  Optimism is cool, but not when it overshadows realism.  Jay is looking to take another strong second this year.

STFU bubble buster! >:(
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: denvmuscle on September 15, 2006, 04:33:19 AM
He's looking very well.  Pretty much as I expected.  I'm not sure why Jay has such difficulty understanding that even IF he deserves to win, he won't.  Optimism is cool, but not when it overshadows realism.  Jay is looking to take another strong second this year.

Once you've gotten screwed year after year, you'd have to have optimism to keep trying.  If the judges would open their eyes and get off the "Big Ronnnie" bandwagon, Jay would have a chance.

Mike
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Weightpit on September 15, 2006, 05:09:58 AM
Gustavo looks better what's going on here?


Put the crack pipe down!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Weightpit on September 15, 2006, 05:15:19 AM
There is no denying he looks good,but do you think he can take Ronnie?
This is gonna be a good fight  ;D :o

I love it....the thing is he CAN take Ronnie and he HAS beaten.....what all of you SHOULD be asking is if the judges will finaly give it to a deserving competitor.

Jay should be a 2 time Olympia winner at this point. I love Ronnie too but there is NO way he should have won 9 so far.....

As far as I'm concerned, Jay looks incredible and judging at the size of Ronnie's gut from some of the pics posted lately, he looks as if he's carrying too much weight.

Jay is the man to beat this year.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: adipo8 on September 15, 2006, 05:59:52 AM
Look, I believe Jay had it in 2001, but he has much more competition coming up...sorry but he can't hang with the future....

He knows that !
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: adipo8 on September 15, 2006, 06:03:46 AM
I love it....the thing is he CAN take Ronnie and he HAS beaten.....what all of you SHOULD be asking is if the judges will finaly give it to a deserving competitor.

Jay should be a 2 time Olympia winner at this point. I love Ronnie too but there is NO way he should have won 9 so far.....

As far as I'm concerned, Jay looks incredible and judging at the size of Ronnie's gut from some of the pics posted lately, he looks as if he's carrying too much weight.

Jay is the man to beat this year.


Ronnie is always the man too beat since he is the reigning Mr.O and the the body that beats Ronnie is a Bigger, taller and more seperated body < Gunter  2002>

Ronnie will always out muscle shorter men

Jay is making a strong living as a BB - he and king and 15 other bb should concentrate on Stream lining their midsections - it is not that hard! Then they can distrub Ronnie

TRUE STORY
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: swilkins1984 on September 15, 2006, 06:40:32 AM
Jay has really put some hard work into bringing up his back.  Its not as impressive as Ronnie's but I am sure the judges will reward him for the improvements.  This is a 2001 Olympia Jay with a new back. If the hamstrings and glutes come in like Coleman's then Ronnie will have to watch his ass (no pun intended  ;D)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: daddy8ball on September 15, 2006, 06:47:25 AM
Jay looks good. What's Ronnie's conditioning looking like? Anyone know?

Can anyone see this scenario: Ronnie comes in bloated/holding water, Jay in all time best condition and beats Ronnie out?


This is the only way I can see Jay beating Ronnie - if Ronnie screws up his conditioning.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: swilkins1984 on September 15, 2006, 06:53:28 AM
Jay looks good. What's Ronnie's conditioning looking like? Anyone know?

Can anyone see this scenario: Ronnie comes in bloated/holding water, Jay in all time best condition and beats Ronnie out?


This is the only way I can see Jay beating Ronnie - if Ronnie screws up his conditioning.

I agree 100% but Ronnie is not going to screw up his conditioning especially this year when he can make history. I want to see Ronnie's shots 2 weeks out.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: anvil on September 15, 2006, 07:04:32 AM
I agree 100% but Ronnie is not going to screw up his conditioning especially this year when he can make history. I want to see Ronnie's shots 2 weeks out.

True.  Jay looks the same as he always does, it's up to Ronnie to just go through the motions now and make history.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: natural al on September 15, 2006, 07:09:44 AM
all I've heard about Ronnie is he wants to do this show at 300+....now if he's going for size for the sake of going for size it might be a mistake, ron looked awsome a couple of years ago when he came in HUGE but he's still losing detail every year.  Look at his BDB last year and compare it to his first couple of O wins.  I don't think it's a good idea for him to be pushing 300.  Jay's got a chance but he has to capitalize on any mistake Ronnie makes-jay has to come in with the conditioning he had in 2001 and the size he was last year, make sure his waist is as small as he can get it andd go from there.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: phyxsius on September 15, 2006, 07:23:13 AM
Jay looks ok to me, i would have wanted to see some drastic changes to his physique, but i don't see much difference from last year ??? He will be 2nd once again ::)


his back looked pretty thick
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: sinbad on September 15, 2006, 07:33:24 AM
Huge guy, but didn't body building have something to do with Aesthetics at some point? What happened?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Mars on September 15, 2006, 07:38:18 AM
I never liked his physique, too blocky.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Rearden Metal on September 15, 2006, 07:46:33 AM
Huge guy, but didn't body building have something to do with Aesthetics at some point? What happened?

He's far more aesthetic than you are giving him credit for.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: donrhummy on September 15, 2006, 07:54:15 AM
Courtesy of Big Dave at Max Muscle.

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(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts1ec8.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts4gz1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts2tq7.jpg)

He looked better in 2001 and 2003 Ironman. Too bad.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: XFACTOR on September 15, 2006, 07:55:23 AM
his back looked pretty thick

 Unfortunately they want striated glutes in the olympia.  It's alll fine and dandy for Jay until they turn around.  Then it's game over Jay.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Weightpit on September 15, 2006, 07:56:40 AM
You know - I have to question the timing of these pics - why would Jay allow these to be taken a few weeks out and then posted to boards like this?? And according to his schedule, he wasn't doing any guest posings in August.....

Doesn't make sense......
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Weightpit on September 15, 2006, 07:59:30 AM
Unfortunately they want striated glutes in the olympia.  It's alll fine and dandy for Jay until they turn around.  Then it's game over Jay.

Dude.....do you honestly believe these pics were taken as stated?? A wise man told me long ago not to believe anything I hear and only half of what I see........
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: donrhummy on September 15, 2006, 08:06:17 AM
Gustavo looks like he is ready to rain in theat picture.

 ??? What?! Are you really a writer? Did you mean:

"Gustavo looks like he is ready to reign in that picture"
(meaning he looks ready to reign as Olympia king)

or

"Gustavo looks like he is ready to rein in that picture"
(meaning he's going to stop Jay, who's in "that picture" )

or did you really mean "rain" in that he looks wet and drippy?!

Seriously, a writer?  :(
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: dorkeroo on September 15, 2006, 08:11:04 AM
??? What?! Are you really a writer? Did you mean:

"Gustavo looks like he is ready to reign in that picture"
(meaning he looks ready to reign as Olympia king)

or

"Gustavo looks like he is ready to rein in that picture"
(meaning he's going to stop Jay, who's in "that picture" )

or did you really mean "rain" in that he looks wet and drippy?!

Seriously, a writer?  :(


Maybe a high/drunk/sleep-walking writer? ;D
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: bigmo6891 on September 15, 2006, 08:34:52 AM
jay looks okay... mustafa would own him
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Adam Empire on September 15, 2006, 08:36:39 AM
Good idea to get the tan happening as well.

Jay leave noting to chance when it comes to tanning.  I believe he tans 1-2 times a day for like 8 weeks beofre a show.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: dorkeroo on September 15, 2006, 08:37:45 AM
Jay leave noting to chance when it comes to tanning.  I believe he tans 1-2 times a day for like 8 weeks beofre a show.

Monster melanoma! :P
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Condor on September 15, 2006, 08:46:27 AM
Jay looks like all the top 5 except Big Ron........

He looks like all of the top five ::)  Hell even Gustavo said he can't out-mass Jay, in fact, there's nobody else that can.  Who else can touch his back (Victor is the closest)?  Who can touch his most muscular with those delts?  Who can beat his quads?  And it looks as though he has cleared up his midsection tremendously....so yes I do see improvement from last year.  Seriously, you're ready to throw in, say, a Branch Warren in Jay's class?  It's no secret how he jumped up to #2 all of a sudden, but yeah, you're right, he looks like everyone else.  Might as well put him placing 9th or so.  Dumbass.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: dan18 on September 15, 2006, 09:05:51 AM
Please explain - I don't think you know what you are talking about.  Joke huh?  I'd say he's doing rather well............

2000 Night of Champions 1st place;

2000 Mr. Olympia, 8th place;

2000 Mr. Olympia Rome, 2nd place;

2000 English Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2001 Mr. Olympia, 2nd place;

2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 IronMan Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2003 Russia Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2003 British Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 Dutch Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 GNC Show of Strength, 2nd place;

2004 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2004 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2005 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

If that's a joke to the up and coming, they either are jealous of Jay or are just plain f*cking dumb!
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM IN YOUR FACE HAHAHAHAH..
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 15, 2006, 09:11:07 AM
Dude.....do you honestly believe these pics were taken as stated?? A wise man told me long ago not to believe anything I hear and only half of what I see........

They are from yesterday because I said so.  Anybody who knows me or of me know that I do not bullshit.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: shootfighter1 on September 15, 2006, 09:23:47 AM
A couple of you guys are just off.

Jay is heavier and tighter than this time last year.  His legs are bigger and looks like his waist is better.  There is definite improvement.  He has 2 more weeks to sharpen up and drop water too.  He will look incredible onstage.  I think more emphysis should be placed on aesthetics too (ie Flex, phil heath, etc) but the judges are rewarding ronnie and jay has to be this size to compare.

If Ronnie is not at his best this year, Jay has a good chance to beat him in this condition.  If Ronnie is concerned about primarily competing over 300lbs, that could be a mistake.  If he blurrs his separation more and comes in with the distended abdomen, he should be penalyzed and there could be a new Mr. O.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Adam Empire on September 15, 2006, 09:32:51 AM
Ronnie over 300 - does he think for himself or does he just do what Chad tells him?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Big Worm on September 15, 2006, 09:40:18 AM
They are from yesterday because I said so.  Anybody who knows me or of me know that I do not bullshit.
I disagree....You said it was Jay's yr..  I don't see anything different ...

 Truth be told..Jay stresses himself out...He's so hell bent on beating King Coleman,that he's at his best before the contest..?

 He nailed it once..And I agree with everyone els.."he deserved the win".

 It doesn't matter..If they eat the same as the year before and train harder...Noone has ever duplicated their size or conditioning from their previous contest..

 Your body goes through  natural changes..On top of the drug's..

 All he can do is work hard! Jay ..is an absolute machine ..in the gym.

 Better than all the other guy's ? Yes!  Better than Coleman?. NO!!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MB on September 15, 2006, 09:41:05 AM
Jay's quad sweep looks improved from last year.  A smart move by Jay because this will help give the illusion of a smaller waist, especially in the ab and thigh pose, where his expanding waistline has been so noticable.    
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nycbull on September 15, 2006, 10:04:15 AM
Jay winning will be bring a positive change to the industry. Bodybuilding has lost its appeal to much of the public and its participants. The sport is viewed as a ghetto of unintelligent, criminal and extreme worshiping buffoons. A man like Jay who carries himself professionally, presents a clean cut, tastefull and healthy image, avoids trash talk and the party lifestyle, would be an outstanding leader. His winning the Olympia would bring a resurgence of interest and optimism from young fans and athletes desperately seeking a healthy and honorable sport to participate in.

Think about it judges.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: efirkey on September 15, 2006, 10:13:04 AM
Jay looks great!  I will make a bold prediction and place him in 2nd place.

Like Ronnie it doesn't matter how Jay looks they will give him 2nd place.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Shockwave on September 15, 2006, 10:13:31 AM
Mustafa is going to push Jay to 3rd.

I'd say Jay's grown to an 8 on the Jay Cutler Chin Sizmograph. Good Job!

Yeah. Good luck with that. ::)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: efirkey on September 15, 2006, 10:21:16 AM
What's going to be amusing is when Ronnie finally retires and Jay still gets 2nd place behind someone else.  I would love to see that in person.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: fitnessman on September 15, 2006, 10:27:57 AM
ha ha funny jay has no  Aesthetics at all

wide blocky waste crappy arms , a back with no detail just good legs

if jay were black he would be in the back of the pack
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: efirkey on September 15, 2006, 10:30:56 AM
ha ha funny jay has no  Aesthetics at all

wide blocky waste crappy arms , a back with no detail just good legs

if jay were black he would be in the back of the pack

If Jay were black he would have a smaller waist and no calfs.  He might even win.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: legbreaker on September 15, 2006, 10:41:26 AM
jay consistantly looks good, but is no where near Ronnie at all.  Even with his tighter look there just isn't the detail in the shoulders and arms.  The hams and glutes are not too sharp at all...especially for top in the world.  It appears like his lats haven't improved or his trunk girth has increased over the past year.  I don't know if Jay used a lot of the nuclear nutrition synthol when he was hanging around Trevor, but it appears that way and DEFINITLY has held back his physique......once you consistantly use that garbage or any oil you will never return to the sharpness you once had.   
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: dizzleman06 on September 15, 2006, 10:48:43 AM
I think he looks good given the monsters he has to compete with...He definately is much closer to ready than Badell though...  he looks like he could go on stage in a week!  his waste is wide, but there ain't shit he can do about it with 3 weeks to go.  from these pics, he has 2nd locked down!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Jr. Yates on September 15, 2006, 10:52:20 AM
What's going to be amusing is when Ronnie finally retires and Jay still gets 2nd place behind someone else.  I would love to see that in person.
oh man that makes me cringe! could happen but i think Cutler would snap!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Colossus_1986 on September 15, 2006, 10:53:53 AM
??? What?! Are you really a writer? Did you mean:

"Gustavo looks like he is ready to reign in that picture"
(meaning he looks ready to reign as Olympia king)

or

"Gustavo looks like he is ready to rein in that picture"
(meaning he's going to stop Jay, who's in "that picture" )

or did you really mean "rain" in that he looks wet and drippy?!

Seriously, a writer?  :(


RAIN in the sense that he hold alot of water IE: A CLOUD...dumbass ;D...don't ever diss Romano! and i agree with John.
PS: jays looking awesome!1!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Max on September 15, 2006, 10:56:46 AM
Looks great.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: HUGEPECS on September 15, 2006, 11:13:32 AM
2 weeks out, I hope Jay's glutes will look much drier comes saturday 30th
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Adam Empire on September 15, 2006, 11:15:56 AM
2 weeks out, I hope Jay's glutes will look much drier comes saturday 30th

I bet you do  ;D
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Tigerman on September 15, 2006, 11:17:54 AM
Jay winning will be bring a positive change to the industry. Bodybuilding has lost its appeal to much of the public and its participants. The sport is viewed as a ghetto of unintelligent, criminal and extreme worshiping buffoons. A man like Jay who carries himself professionally, presents a clean cut, tastefull and healthy image, avoids trash talk and the party lifestyle, would be an outstanding leader. His winning the Olympia would bring a resurgence of interest and optimism from young fans and athletes desperately seeking a healthy and honorable sport to participate in.

Think about it judges.

Bullshit!! Judges are supposed to reward the best physique on stage. And guess what? So far Jay has never been good enough to beat Ronnie, like it or not. It's not a competition for who has the best image or is better spoken. Last time I checked Mr O. is a bodybuilding show, not a "cleancut building" parade.
Also, did you write "Jay Cutler" and "healthy" in the same sentence???   ::)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: HERACLES on September 15, 2006, 11:30:01 AM
Jay has some SICK, SICK wheels, a great super wide back...he looks great..hes a professional, and he will change dramatically more in 15 days too..
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: donrhummy on September 15, 2006, 11:40:12 AM
I think he looked better in 2003. (Yes, they're contest pics but he looked bigger with a smaller waist then)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: donrhummy on September 15, 2006, 11:40:51 AM
One more...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nycbull on September 15, 2006, 11:48:05 AM
Bullshit!! Judges are supposed to reward the best physique on stage. And guess what? So far Jay has never been good enough to beat Ronnie, like it or not. It's not a competition for who has the best image or is better spoken. Last time I checked Mr O. is a bodybuilding show, not a "cleancut building" parade.
Also, did you write "Jay Cutler" and "healthy" in the same sentence???   ::)

wake up to reality dude, all competitions take other factors like personality and moral character into judging and rightfully so. The title Mr. Oympia should go to a man of great physical stature, presence, depth of character and good moral standing. Jay has all four. As the title holder he can lead the way to make bodybuilding more than a pursuit of muscular gluttony and extremism.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: younggunz on September 15, 2006, 11:50:12 AM
Ya he's pretty much all Mass'ed out. not much has changed in 3 years only thing he can hope on is coming in unbelievably dry and beat Ron on conditioning like in 2001. Ron's genetics are jus to freaky.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Tigerman on September 15, 2006, 12:16:13 PM
wake up to reality dude, all competitions take other factors like personality and moral character into judging and rightfully so. The title Mr. Oympia should go to a man of great physical stature, presence, depth of character and good moral standing. Jay has all four. As the title holder he can lead the way to make bodybuilding more than a pursuit of muscular gluttony and extremism.



No you have to wake up sir. Tell me just one competition where the factors that you have listed have had some importance. If and when that happened, those were very controversial decision (see Mr. O. 1980 when Arnold won for the last time) and real bb fans didn't t like that.
I don't see that happening today. You may argue that the judging citeria are wrong, that aesthetics should play a bigger role. But once you fix the parameters to evaluate athletes then you have to stick to those, not to bullshit like "moral standing".... Do you really think that someone can judge in a bb competition the moral standards of an athlete???
The truth is that Ronnie today represents the best bber given the criteria the judges follow, muscularity, simmetry and definition. And, deservedly he got his title for 8 times. If he will meet those criteria once more, he will win again in 2 weeks.
 
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: body88 on September 15, 2006, 12:18:13 PM
I think he looked better in 2003. (Yes, they're contest pics but he looked bigger with a smaller waist then)

You posy pics that show his waist straight on then from an angle ::) If you look at the lat spread comparison you can clearly see his waist is the exact same in the first and third pic.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nycbull on September 15, 2006, 12:43:24 PM

No you have to wake up sir. Tell me just one competition where the factors that you have listed have had some importance. If and when that happened, those were very controversial decision (see Mr. O. 1980 when Arnold won for the last time) and real bb fans didn't t like that.
I don't see that happening today. You may argue that the judging citeria are wrong, that aesthetics should play a bigger role. But once you fix the parameters to evaluate athletes then you have to stick to those, not to bullshit like "moral standing".... Do you really think that someone can judge in a bb competition the moral standards of an athlete???
The truth is that Ronnie today represents the best bber given the criteria the judges follow, muscularity, simmetry and definition. And, deservedly he got his title for 8 times. If he will meet those criteria once more, he will win again in 2 weeks.
 

I am suggesting the judges do so irregardless of the rules. To push an agenda and set a precedent to restore the title to its original meaning: the ideal man in body and spirit. The body can be measured with numbers and rules, but without an internal life we are all just looking at shells. Whats the point? If the judges care about this sport and the direction it is moving they will take into consideration factors other than muscular gluttony, extremism, ego obsession and pharmacuetical acrobatics. I am suggesting they look at the title Mr. Olympia and think about what it means to them and to all the youngsters dreaming of becoming ideal men. They can forge ahead or they can tow the line. What will it be?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Rearden Metal on September 15, 2006, 01:32:50 PM
I am suggesting the judges do so irregardless of the rules. To push an agenda and set a president to restore the title to its original meaning: the ideal man in body and spirit. The body can be measured with numbers and rules, but without an internal life we are all just looking at shells. Whats the point? If the judges care about this sport and the direction it is moving they will take into consideration factors other than muscular gluttony, extremism, ego obsession and pharmacuetical acrobatics. I am suggesting they look at the title Mr. Olympia and think about what it means to them and to all the youngsters dreaming of becoming ideal men. They can forge ahead or they can tow the line. What will it be?

Precedent.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nicorulez on September 15, 2006, 02:00:01 PM
What a load of malarkey.  ::) ::)  The judges are going to carry out a mental check list of all the worthwhile charities and such that Jay contributes to..yes, he deserves to beat Ronnie as he gave to the children.  Give me a f__ing break.  NYCBull is full of utter BS.  This is a bodybuilding show.  If Jay were going to win, it would have happened five years ago.  Please, that is the biggest bunch of BS I have heard on this board...ever...an I partook in the Dorian vs Ronnie thread.  Please, Jay loses because he lacks detail in the back, hams and glutes that Ronnie possesses.  Ronnie's is bigger, has better arms and looks plain better.  This is not rocket science.  Jay is second place until Ronnie retires or comes in sans arms or legs....not going to happen.  Get over your pontifications about moral character and eloquence winning bodybuilding shows.  Actually, if intelligence were the only issue, then Lee Labrada would be fifteen time Mr. Olympia by now.  It is not a required prerequisite.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nycbull on September 15, 2006, 03:56:48 PM
What a load of malarkey.  ::) ::)  The judges are going to carry out a mental check list of all the worthwhile charities and such that Jay contributes to..yes, he deserves to beat Ronnie as he gave to the children. 

Yes absolutely. What good is a man that posesses the ideal male physique if the character behind it is inferior?  Is he really an ideal man if he leads a self serving life? Will he really represent the top spot in the sport if he is morally bankrupt?

If the ideal man was just about measurements then why not bring out the measuring tape just like a cattle show?  I think the judges should take into consideration the whole life of the bodybuilder. After all he is representing a male ideal. What point is there if it is just the physical. The "Mr" in the title Mr. Olympia implies not only a person with an ideal male physique but also a person who carries themselves with maturity, respect and acts in a morally sound way.
 
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Dnizneer on September 15, 2006, 04:05:16 PM
He's looking very well.  Pretty much as I expected.  I'm not sure why Jay has such difficulty understanding that even IF he deserves to win, he won't.  Optimism is cool, but not when it overshadows realism.  Jay is looking to take another strong second this year.

But, If for any reason Ronnie cant compete, then Jay has to be at his all time best, less they give the title to someone else.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 15, 2006, 04:08:45 PM
I think he looked better in 2003. (Yes, they're contest pics but he looked bigger with a smaller waist then)
in that comparison jay look exactly on track for his 2001 look with a exstra 5 to 10 lbs in his arms  pecs and lats , very subtle difference but noticable plus his back was waybetter last yr then 2001 so if jay hits his conditioning like 01 wich it looks like he might this will be his best total pakhage ever.... might not beat ronnie if ronnies on....
BUT most forget on here ronnie really was showing his age last yr with old looking skin and the lat and tricep problem, so i wouldnt be surprised if ronnie just gets old right in front of our eyes and loses his crown!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nicorulez on September 15, 2006, 04:16:03 PM
NYCBull, you are joking right.  ::) ::) The judges are going to make a mental checklist of the fact that Jay is married and lives a life of ... wait a sec..he is a pro bodybuilder.  With that, he is using tons of anabolics, GH, insulin and diuretics.  This is an example.  Go home buddy.  Moral character is not part of the Mr. Olympia checklist.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: In it 2 win it on September 15, 2006, 04:16:48 PM
Jay looks awesome. In those pics, do his quads look better in 2001?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 15, 2006, 04:25:12 PM
Jay looks awesome. In those pics, do his quads look better in 2001?
look at the first pic on page 1 , his quads blow away his 2001 in every way possible!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Shockwave on September 15, 2006, 04:33:27 PM
His lat spread looks crazy. Waist looks MUCH improved, with a much wider spread. Looks like he is really pushing it this year.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 15, 2006, 04:35:30 PM
I know right. Ripped with great line at 260... Oh yah at 5'9. So small. These are the same clowns claiming phil h is huge! 225 at 5'11!!!!!! Jay has a tight waist, great lines this year and will be shredded come O time.

Jay has great lines?  Are you drunk?

Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Adam Empire on September 15, 2006, 04:36:32 PM
It looks like he stayed lighter this year - maybe more sushi!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Dball on September 15, 2006, 04:46:34 PM
easily no. 2 at the LOWEST.  this will be jays best showing yet.  it should be a real battle.  let the bidding for 3rd on down start now.  the only problem is that right bicep...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Special Ed on September 15, 2006, 06:20:57 PM
Jay's legs look ridonkulous. His back is bigger than it's ever been. If Ronnie is off, Jay can win this year. He looks sharp for 2 weeks out.

Special "Eagle Eye" Ed
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: thisiskeith12 on September 15, 2006, 06:57:50 PM
He looks like he's holding a bit of water.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Bast000 on September 15, 2006, 06:59:19 PM
Looks good except his v-taper is weak in this pose:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts2tq7.jpg)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Dball on September 15, 2006, 07:36:29 PM
yeah, i bet he eats alot of birthday cake for his contest prep...  ::)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: willie mosconi on September 15, 2006, 07:46:51 PM
Looks good except his v-taper is weak in this pose:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts2tq7.jpg)

his waist will always be his "fatal" flaw
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 15, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
jeez some diuretics and its gonna be lights out unless things change!
dude looks like his 01 conditioning 15 lbs heavier!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 15, 2006, 10:16:25 PM
That's right, I've been saying it and everybody kept saying, Oh Ron can't lose, he can't be beat, well we'll see this year, I can already see many people changing their mind already, today at the 2nd day of the Lund's shoot with Gunter he looked even dryer and fuller.  I think a lot of apologies will be in order on Oct 1st.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Stavios on September 15, 2006, 10:50:25 PM
I agree that Jay's taper isn't great in the abs shot but Ronnie looks like total crap in that shot so Jay win this one
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nicorulez on September 15, 2006, 11:08:10 PM
He will get his ass handed to him again from the back..Sorry MadMax, Jay is second again.  Better hope that Ronnie comes in off, because if he is ninety percent on, it is game over.  Jay has too many structural flaws.  However, his thighs do look the best I have ever seen them.  Unfortunately for him, his waist is wider than ever.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: ali23 on September 15, 2006, 11:09:51 PM
He will get his ass handed to him again from the back..Sorry MadMax, Jay is second again.  Better hope that Ronnie comes in off, because if he is ninety percent on, it is game over.  Jay has too many structural flaws.  However, his thighs do look the best I have ever seen them.  Unfortunately for him, his waist is wider than ever.

were talking about bodybuilding, not gay sex. You might be on the wrong site...

YIP
Ali
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: donrhummy on September 15, 2006, 11:11:50 PM
jeez some diuretics and its gonna be lights out unless things change!
dude looks like his 01 conditioning 15 lbs heavier!

Looking good! He *almost* has the "fingers" that dorian's back had in that pose.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: TheEgoCrusher on September 15, 2006, 11:12:32 PM
If Ronnie's off, Jay will win this year.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: donrhummy on September 15, 2006, 11:13:45 PM
If Ronnie's off, Jay will win this year.

Since '00, when has Ronnie not been off?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 15, 2006, 11:17:07 PM
2001 ASC and 2003 Olympia
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 15, 2006, 11:35:45 PM
He will get his ass handed to him again from the back..Sorry MadMax, Jay is second again.  Better hope that Ronnie comes in off, because if he is ninety percent on, it is game over.  Jay has too many structural flaws.  However, his thighs do look the best I have ever seen them.  Unfortunately for him, his waist is wider than ever.
what part of ronnie  has a lat deflation  wich showed at last yrs o did you miss,  most people actually put jay ahead from the back last yr minus the striated glutes!

the only thing that keeps ronnie afloat  is the glutes other then that jay beats him in just about every pose nowadays!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: the shadow on September 15, 2006, 11:51:07 PM
a couple of more pics of jay...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: the shadow on September 15, 2006, 11:52:47 PM
one more
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: 240 is Back on September 16, 2006, 12:10:13 AM
uh, i have $100 going on King Ron.

And I'm getting kinda nervous here...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Adam Empire on September 16, 2006, 12:44:32 AM
If Ron wins just because he has a bigger back - the sport has nobody but the judges to blame...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 16, 2006, 01:43:37 AM
uh, i have $100 going on King Ron.

And I'm getting kinda nervous here...
ronnie would have to take another step back do to age like last yr for jay to win wich is very possible, he looks unreal in clothes but who knows what kind of saggy skin injuries lay underneath due to age!

ronnies been getting bigger every yr but worse, hes nothing like he was 6 or so yrs ago'''

hes gonna be huge but i got a feeling hes gonna have even less detail in his thighs wich mite spell the end of the rd.


jays gonna have to out do his 01 condition to win wich mite be enuff as he  looks like hes on track to do !

bigger quads + more detail throughout would have beaten ronnie of last yr!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nicorulez on September 16, 2006, 05:57:00 AM
were talking about bodybuilding, not gay sex. You might be on the wrong site...

YIP
Ali

Dipshit, I am talking about Bodybuilding.  Every year is Jay's year.  Last year Ronnie won running away.  Will not be any different this year, unless Ronnie comes in less than 90 percent.  Even then, ala 2001, he won.  240, your money is safe.  Ali, you are exceedingly stupid.  From the back, where can Jay even hope to touch Ronnie.  It aint nothing but a peanut baby.

Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Royalty on September 16, 2006, 06:22:22 AM
I think Jay looks good and he will get 2nd. I do think the lighting was not that great in those pics and he was a bit depleted. I cant see him beating Ronnie.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: JKDMan on September 16, 2006, 08:30:25 AM
uh, i have $100 going on King Ron.

And I'm getting kinda nervous here...
???
Why, you're afraid being $100 richer would change you?
Jay can't...won't...beat Ronnie.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 08:32:09 AM
If Ron wins just because he has a bigger back - the sport has nobody but the judges to blame...

Ron will not have the bigger back.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: thisiskeith12 on September 16, 2006, 08:35:20 AM
uh, i have $100 going on King Ron.

And I'm getting kinda nervous here...

 :D
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: thisiskeith12 on September 16, 2006, 08:42:32 AM
One huge change from last year is Jay's quads! They are phenomenal!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: legbreaker on September 16, 2006, 08:59:10 AM
The unfortuante thing with being so good for so long is everyone is waiting for you to fumble and fall slightly short.  therefore, if you come in at 90% of your best, which was the best possible physique one could attain in BB) then you have failed and some uneducated fans will talk like you are nothing.  Whereas if your in Jay's shoes and you make slight improvements, but are still short of the guy next to you that day some uneducated fans will act as if you should easily win and if not were robbed.

Judge the physiques as they are ON THAT DAY ONLY, not who made improvement and what not because that means nothing.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 09:03:09 AM
How much did he weigh in those pics?  How does that compare to last year?

Good question, last year 2 weeks out he was 276 at 3.6 % bf, this year he weigh in at 284 first thing in the morning at 3 %.  How's that?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: donrhummy on September 16, 2006, 09:03:33 AM
2001 ASC and 2003 Olympia

2001 ASC I'll give you but I disagree on 2003 'O. That year, his v-taper was it's worst ever -- his obliques were wider than ever before.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90114.0;attach=101964;image)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Stavios on September 16, 2006, 09:06:46 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94464.0;attach=102641;image)

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 09:12:13 AM
Wow, that's a cool comparison, somebody is a little wizz with the computer.  LOL!!!
Thanks for that.
D.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Colossus_1986 on September 16, 2006, 09:12:22 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94464.0;attach=102475;image)

i find jay has put too much "thickness" on his oblique-section, you can see in 2001 it was very small compared to his rectus-abdominus (front abdominal wall) and now it just doesnt go down. I think thats what hurts him the most, because he need every bit of V-taper help/boost he can get.

I HOPE HE WINS! HAIL KING JAY :D
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: delta9mda on September 16, 2006, 09:18:54 AM
lets see, torn quad, tricep injury and missing a complete muscle in the back? im not say ing ronnie is done, but come on man!!!!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Colossus_1986 on September 16, 2006, 09:21:23 AM
(https://www.powerstar.de/gallery/profis/images/jay_cutler_od_2001MrO_the_day_after_0001.jpg)
2001

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2005/05omens_irvgleb582.jpg)
2005
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on September 16, 2006, 09:49:16 AM
Jay is at his all time biggest and best.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: davidpaul on September 16, 2006, 09:53:35 AM
second place is his.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 16, 2006, 10:16:09 AM
Good question, last year 2 weeks out he was 276 at 3.6 % bf, this year he weigh in at 284 first thing in the morning at 3 %.  How's that?
is that measurement with skin calipers, bod pod or underwater weighing? with calipers i hope he drops to 1.5 % since that would be about 3% with under water weighing.

to drop to 1.5% in a week hed have to lose near 3lbs of fat wich in my oipinion would leave no stone unturned as far as his conditioning goes!

im guessing ronnie measures  near 0 to 1% (about 2 to 2.5%  with underwater weiging) with calipers on game day thats why every piece of his ass muscle shows!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: dearth on September 16, 2006, 10:21:32 AM
I heard that Flex Wheeler measured Jay's bodyfat to be 0.0%!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Weightpit on September 16, 2006, 10:26:11 AM
They are from yesterday because I said so.  Anybody who knows me or of me know that I do not bullshit.

Sorry, man.....I didn't mean to offend you at all. I didn't realize it was you who posted. I saw some previous posts that you know Jay pretty well and can back it up. Then this is the real deal.

Please understand that most of these boards contain too many scam artists......

Anyways, great pix and thanks for sharing. If you can share, how is Jay holding up these days.....he never seems to be stressed out.

Thanks : )
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 16, 2006, 10:26:43 AM
if he drops 1% more this area will be complete(plus the water)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Hulkster on September 16, 2006, 10:41:02 AM
Jay is looking like he is on track..

the unknown factor here is of course, Ronnie.

The rumours are that he will be 300 pounds onstage.

If I recall, the last time he was 300 pounds onstage he looked like this:

(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0289.jpg)
if he shows up looking like this, jay can be in his all time best shape and it still won't be good enough...

If he shows up lighter, he might still win because he all know that Ronnie shows great muscle shape and detail at lighter bodyweights..

 However, IF he shows up big but holding water, ala 2004 O., he might be in trouble..

that is my take, anyway.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Weightpit on September 16, 2006, 10:46:56 AM
Jay is looking like he is on track..

the unknown factor here is of course, Ronnie.

The rumours are that he will be 300 pounds onstage.

If I recall, the last time he was 300 pounds onstage he looked like this:

(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0289.jpg)
if he shows up looking like this, jay can be in his all time best shape and it still won't be good enough...


If he shows up lighter, he might still win because he all know that Ronnie shows great muscle shape and detail at lighter bodyweights..

 However, IF he shows up big but holding water, ala 2004 O., he might be in trouble..

that is my take, anyway.


Well put and couldn't be said any better........
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Sean-DeMarco on September 16, 2006, 10:50:15 AM
looks about the same as always to me

...my thoughts exactly.~ ::)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 11:55:40 AM
The measurements were made with skinfold calipers at 10 different spots.
Weightpit, no problem.
Jay is feeling and doing great, he's in great spirits, he's not suffering as he was already lean and big when he started the diet, 9 weeks out he was 285 and when the pics were taken he was at 287, you do the math, that's a lot of muscle gained and fat lost during a diet, the same thing hapenned in 2001 but not as drastic than this year.
Milos is right, this year will be the best Cutler EVER.
All we have to do is wait and see.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: willie mosconi on September 16, 2006, 12:27:59 PM
Jay is at his all time biggest and best.

better than the 03 Ironman?

I find it hard to believe the Jay can ever top that
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 12:51:34 PM
better than the 03 Ironman?

I find it hard to believe the Jay can ever top that

it's a different look but yes, much better.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Alex23 on September 16, 2006, 01:01:46 PM
If I am retarded than i will admit I am wrong any day of the week...The sad fact is that Jay doesn't add up to the conditioning and structure that is the future of bodybuilding...Take it from someone who really knows.....

Yet another pro hater... You're joking right?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Necrosis on September 16, 2006, 01:21:43 PM
milos, was ronnie looking like his all time best too. who's looking better at this far out?
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Adam Empire on September 16, 2006, 01:45:39 PM
milos, was ronnie looking like his all time best too. who's looking better at this far out?

Good question - Milos just saw Ronnie too!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: willie mosconi on September 16, 2006, 02:03:20 PM
I bet Cutler wants Ronnie to retire very badly
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 02:04:24 PM
Actually no, he'd rather beat him onstage.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: willie mosconi on September 16, 2006, 02:21:07 PM
Actually no, he'd rather beat him onstage.

but I think deep down in his heart,he knows it will never happen. even if he deserves to win, it would take a miracle for the judges to actually allow him to win  :-\
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: nicorulez on September 16, 2006, 02:26:21 PM
Delta, even with a torn lat he is bigger and more detailed than anyone but Dexter (detail, not size) from behind.  His triceps are not torn.  He had olecranon bursitis; this is far from a tear.  Ronnie will win as usual if he is even 90% of his usual beastly self.  Dorian won for years when he was a good 20% less than his 1993/1995 shape.  You have to knock out the Mr. Olympia and Jay will definitely not do that with his poor taper and wide obliques.  If the dude had a midsection like Heath it would be a war.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: hillbilly on September 16, 2006, 02:28:01 PM
Courtesy of Big Dave at Max Muscle.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts3fe3.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts1ec8.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts4gz1.jpg)

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts2tq7.jpg)

OMG jay looks sick! best i've eva seen him! he looks like he's carrying about another 5lb since last years O
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: gmflex on September 16, 2006, 02:31:34 PM
Jay deserves the Sandow ;)
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 02:37:02 PM
OMG jay looks sick! best i've eva seen him! he looks like he's carrying about another 5lb since last years O

5?  Try 10lbs + better condition.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: G.STEELE on September 16, 2006, 02:49:35 PM
but I think deep down in his heart, it will never happen. even if he deserves to win, it would take a miracle for the judges to actually allow him to win  :-\
Yup. The judges will not give it to him after this long. Jay will get 3rd.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: hillbilly on September 16, 2006, 02:53:38 PM
5?  Try 10lbs + better condition.

wow shame there gonna hand it to ronnie! becus i'd say unless ronnie is also improved on last year jay deserves the win
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: slayer on September 16, 2006, 04:24:38 PM
5?  Try 10lbs + better condition.
as jay fan i hope he comes in 1 to 1.5% less bf then last yr wich is about 3 lbs and 5 to 10 more lbs of lean mass!

if he does that and doesnt win then ronnie will be better then laat yr wich i highly doubt do to age!

so basically im hoping hes still in the losing fat mode  for another 5 to 7 days. at 3% hes not gonna get the glutes and detail that will surge him ahead of ronnie and make the judges have no choice but  to give him the sandow!
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: legbreaker on September 16, 2006, 05:03:15 PM
wow shame there gonna hand it to ronnie! becus i'd say unless ronnie is also improved on last year jay deserves the win

Once again...you DO NOT get judged on improvements made!!!  You only get judged based on comparison with the other guys THAT time on stage.  Someone can make many many improvements and still be way behind Ronnie.  jay does look impressive...much better detail than the past few years BUT is he better than Ronnie? 
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: MADMAX6 on September 16, 2006, 05:15:05 PM
Once again...you DO NOT get judged on improvements made!!!  You only get judged based on comparison with the other guys THAT time on stage.  Someone can make many many improvements and still be way behind Ronnie.  jay does look impressive...much better detail than the past few years BUT is he better than Ronnie? 

You are absolutely right and that's what you'll be seeing in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Wombat on September 16, 2006, 05:15:26 PM
Then how the hell do you explain Kamali then?  He improved for the last show and was given a gift.  Wolf looked alot better and got screwed.

5 judges instead of 7...Kamali placing would stir up the boards and bring excitement to BB...Good or Bad...
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Special Ed on September 16, 2006, 07:12:31 PM
240,

I took you up on your offer of 2:1 odds with your selection of Ron-Dex-Jay in that order.

Do we have a bet? My $100 to your $50??

Yeah or Nay?

Special "In the Red" Ed
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: hillbilly on September 16, 2006, 07:30:44 PM
Once again...you DO NOT get judged on improvements made!!!  You only get judged based on comparison with the other guys THAT time on stage.  Someone can make many many improvements and still be way behind Ronnie.  jay does look impressive...much better detail than the past few years BUT is he better than Ronnie? 

well that WAS my point i think jay IS better than ronnie of last year  ;D
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: legbreaker on September 16, 2006, 07:42:33 PM
well that WAS my point i think jay IS better than ronnie of last year  ;D

I aint gonna argue with that. Bodybuilding, like skating, gymnastics, etc is subjective.  No doubt he is in the very elite, but to me Ronnie is incredibly unique with the separation and mass combo.   
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: vein-x on September 16, 2006, 08:35:28 PM
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/PhoenixBuff/cuts1ec8.jpg)

I'm not even going to scroll through all the posts looking to see whether this has already been posted...


LOOK AT THE MIDSECTION IN THIS PIC!!


...what the hell is going on? No, that's not a FLAW in the lightning, that's a MAJOR fvcking problem! Trying to play the 'mass game' with Ronnie has brought Jay to the end, in terms of size. Like the so-called experts always say, he either beats Ronnie by one-upping him or conditioning, or loses completely. GH + Jay's Midsection = ....LOOK!

Good Lord... if he doesn't beat Ronnie THIS year, he will NEVER beat him. He can only hope for Ronnie's retirement, and from what I understand, that's NOT how he wants to be Mr. O....
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Rami on September 16, 2006, 08:51:09 PM
Midsection looks very good. To have that much shredded mass with a midsection that is in control is awesome, and a rarity in BB today. I would say Jay looks his best ever.
Title: Re: Cutler 15 Days Out!
Post by: Wombat on September 16, 2006, 08:57:24 PM
the first time i checked out this thread a few days ago, i thought that Jay looked like Jay always does....But as i really took a look at these pictures, i too think that this is Jay's best...extreme detail already from the front and pretty damn hard from the back...And he hasn't pulled the water out yet...

I tend to think that Ronnie is unbeatable however this one could be very close...