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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: natural al on September 17, 2006, 03:46:40 PM
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I heard a rumor on another board that steve wienberger-or whatever his name is, the head judge over at the IFBB-was at the NOC yesturday. Reports say that he was yelling at competitors and shoving people around...basically playing the tough guy role.
Can anyone confirm or deny this report. From everything I've ever read about the guy he seems like the kind of guy that will yell and scream and play that role to get what he wants so I don't doubt it. Guy seems like an asshole to me but I don't know him personally so I might be wrong. I'm only making observations about what I've read. He tried to start a fight with Shawn Ray a few years ago at the Olympia, he yelled at some fans at the NOC a few years ago etc.
Anyway, is thei true or false, the part about him being at the NOC last night and bullying people?
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He was there being a great role model.
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He was there being a great role model.
Please expand...
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It was a good move for him to be there.
It shows that he doesn't feel threatened by the PDI. Rather, he probably sees it as an opportunity to grow the sport of bodybuilding over some new national boundaries and make it a more worldwide sport. Sure, some say he was having some heated exchange with those he considered disloyal for attending, and yeah, some say he was making a lot of threats - but he's a passionate guy. Those were probbaly just empty threats he was heard making. heat-of-the-moment type of stuff. Seeing the sport take on such growth and new excitement for the first time in a long time much have been pretty exciting!
It's good that Steve is embracing the PDI, and I hope others follow his lead.
Cheers!
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He was there being a great role model.
And you were as well....beating up on some amatuers. Do you have no shame for your craft.
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And you were as well....beating up on some amatuers. Do you have no shame for your craft.
vince c'mon. Let's be real for a minute. Expanding the sport or at least trying to is a noble thing. You just don't like lee, bottom line. He did nothing wrong here and in the end he'll probably loose money on this endevor.
Lee did something alot of guys were probably wishing they had the balls to do and I applaud him for it.
Good job, lee.
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And you were as well....beating up on some amatuers. Do you have no shame for your craft.
Anyone else suffocated by the irony of this statement? If you had even an ounce of shame then you would stop referring to yourself as a bodybuilder and would find another venue to fail miserably at.
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And you were as well....beating up on some amatuers. Do you have no shame for your craft.
Oh my Melvin, if this aint calling the kettle black. You are the biggest embarrassement there is. And the funny thing is you LOSE to guys way worse
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Steve is a try hard standover man who would cry like a baby if he ever got a good smack.His wife is a beautiful gal.
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And you were as well....beating up on some amatuers. Do you have no shame for your craft.
And you are who?
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Lee has the biggest balls in the IFBB to compete in the PDI. I think it's a good move. He's the star of the PDI, has the potential to get more attention and more endorsements.
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what's the website for the PDI show Lee was in? Scott said Lee is under 200 pounds. Talk about illusion! His legs looked MASSIVE.
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And you are who?
I'm Vince Goodrum, formally known as Venom Vince Versace.
The man who runs the block. The man who could put you in the Cobra Crosslock. The Carolina Cobra that drop more elbows than Dusty Rhodes, the one that's always pimping a stable full of ho's and if you don't knoooooooooowwwwww.....n ow you know.
That's who, Lee McCrutchen... ;D
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what's the website for the PDI show Lee was in? Scott said Lee is under 200 pounds. Talk about illusion! His legs looked MASSIVE.
Yes after the hospital and root canal 5 days before show help drop the weight :) i had to catch up couldn't train heavy so i would train each day the same body part twice and do 2 qnd a half hours cardio.I weighed 196 morning of show alittle flat but hey looked better then 2 weeks ago.So it all came together in the end
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Yes after the hospital and root canal 5 days before show help drop the weight :) i had to catch up couldn't train heavy so i would train each day the same body part twice and do 2 qnd a half hours cardio.I weighed 196 morning of show alittle flat but hey looked better then 2 weeks ago.So it all came together in the end
Congrats Lee, your transformation despite your problems was nothing short of amazing.
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Congrats Lee, your transformation despite your problems was nothing short of amazing.
Yea, and the fact that he was competing against amatuer bodybuilders that thought that they were pro.
Lee Priest deserves no props. He didn't have any real competition, no Dennis James, or Ronnie Coleman, or Melvin Anthony, or any pro for that matter. Like I said, its like Michael Jordan playing in a college basketball game.
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Yea, and the fact that he was competing against amatuer bodybuilders that thought that they were pro.
Lee Priest deserves no props. He didn't have any real competition, no Dennis James, or Ronnie Coleman, or Melvin Anthony, or any pro for that matter. Like I said, its like Michael Jordan playing in a college basketball game.
Vince you are a funny guy, I will give you that. But, we both saw what he looked like when he had the shoulder problem earlier. He bounced back from that like a champ. Congrats Lee, nice to see you didn't miss your carb up ::)
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Lee should be in perfect shape come Mr Olympia.
YIP
Zack
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Yea, and the fact that he was competing against amatuer bodybuilders that thought that they were pro.
Lee Priest deserves no props. He didn't have any real competition, no Dennis James, or Ronnie Coleman, or Melvin Anthony, or any pro for that matter. Like I said, its like Michael Jordan playing in a college basketball game.
Hey nothing stopped those guys from coming to the show and competing except themselves and thier fear
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Vince, you said that Lee would be escorted out of the building. I spoke with someone invovled with the O on the phone tonight who said that Lee is still a draw, has only irked a few people, and will be one of the most popular guys to meet this O weekend.
Do you still think he'll get kicked out? It sounds like he's going to be a rock star for the fans.
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Hey nothing stopped those guys from coming to the show and competing except themselves and thier fear
Lee with all this suspension talk, isn't their supposed to be some kind of hearing on a suspension? And you can file some sort of grievence or something and the suspension would not happen until all this went down...Wouldn't that take months to happen, so that the olympia wouldn't even be an issue?
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Lee with all this suspension talk, isn't their supposed to be some kind of hearing on a suspension? And you can file some sort of grievence or something and the suspension would not happen until all this went down...Wouldn't that take months to happen, so that the olympia wouldn't even be an issue?
Thats true also. How about that Chic. In fact it ishis right to file so actuallyLee can compete in this Olympia and the IFBB can do nothing about it. If they did try to enforce a suspension without any type of formal hearing then Lee could easily take them to court.
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so he was pushing and shoving guys around and yelling at people...classic. What a baby..I can't stand people like that, I'd love it if someone busted him in the mouth for being such a dick.
You can come to Powerhouse Gym in Syosset, NY, and come slap in his face yourself. Don't look for someone else to do it--be a man and step up to the plate since he is such a dick to you..
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Yea, and the fact that he was competing against amatuer bodybuilders that thought that they were pro.
Lee Priest deserves no props. He didn't have any real competition, no Dennis James, or Ronnie Coleman, or Melvin Anthony, or any pro for that matter. Like I said, its like Michael Jordan playing in a college basketball game.
Wow you are comparing Lee to Michael Jordan. Thats one hell of a compliment you little turd.
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I met Steve and his wife once in NYC. my friends and i were visiting, and went to train in his gym. He was cool with us. he offered to take a picture of me and my friends with Bev, shook all our hands. and i swear not two minutes later he was yelling his head off at some dude. i have heard the stories about him so i was a bit apprehensive about meeting him. but he was cool with me...at the time. he definitely looks like he can take care of himself.
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Correct me if I am wrong here, but except for Ronnie, hasn't Lee beat all of those other guys one time or another on stage? Before Ronnie started his Mr O strings, Lee probably beat him back in the old days as well.
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I'm Vince Goodrum, formally known as Venom Vince Versace. The man who runs the block. The man who could put you in the Cobra Crosslock. The Carolina Cobra that drop more elbows than Dusty Rhodes, the one that's always pimping a stable full of ho's and if you don't knoooooooooowwwwww.....n ow you know.
That's who, Lee McCrutchen... ;D
oh thats who you are, you sound like one of those guys in there late 20's early 30's who is obsessed with wrestling, collects wwe action figures and goes to wrestling shows with a big sponge hand wearing a hulk hogan t-shirt.
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You can come to Powerhouse Gym in Syosset, NY, and come slap in his face yourself. Don't look for someone else to do it--be a man and step up to the plate since he is such a dick to you..
settle down there steve. I don't have the time or the money to fly out to NY to confront you....realistically where would that get me? C'mon, man grow up, you can't just yell and scream and push people around for your whole life to get your way. What would that accomplish? I'm not in the BB public eye..he is and should conduct himself as such.
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Correct me if I am wrong here, but except for Ronnie, hasn't Lee beat all of those other guys one time or another on stage? Before Ronnie started his Mr O strings, Lee probably beat him back in the old days as well.
Lee has beaten Ronnie in the past.
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He was there making notes. Perhaps he wants to learn or get inspirations? Or does he just want to blackmail? Who knows..
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Christ Vince, just shut the fuck up already...all you do is throw insults when you should be directing that energy to improving yourself.
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Hey Lee,
Leave my name out of it Dude. I fear nothing. Good job on your win. We will see when we battle again. We have gone back and forth the last two Arnolds. See you on stage Superman ;)
Marvelous Melvin Anthony
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Hey Lee,
Leave my name out of it Dude. I fear nothing. Good job on your win. We will see when we battle again. We have gone back and forth the last two Arnolds. See you on stage Superman ;)
Marvelous Melvin Anthony
Where has lee mentioned your name in this thread?
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settle down there steve. I don't have the time or the money to fly out to NY to confront you....realistically where would that get me? C'mon, man grow up, you can't just yell and scream and push people around for your whole life to get your way. What would I say "hey steve, I heard your a dick"...what would taht accomplish? I'm not in the BB public eye..he is and should conduct himself as such.
I'm not Steve, but if you weren't at the show--don't post rumors that you aren't sure are fact. His ass would have been evicted/arrested/shot at the Beacon if he was pushing people around.
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I saw Steve there and he was totally cool. The only thing I heard was that he bumped into Rhino and absolutely nothing came of it. I can also tell you that there is about a billion other people I'd rather get into a fight with than Steve, and that's saying something.
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I met him once in Chicago at a breakfast we had with about 15 others people. Seemed nice then, but I read about some ofthe tuff he does and he just seems off. He was definitely at the show to report to Manion about everything. I am pretty sure a lot of conference calls have been made since the show with Weinberger, Manion, Chic and others. Each of the IFBB tools were wrong about the show and had egg thrown in their faces. They'll wait till the embarassment dies down and will be back to say how bad the show went and what a failure. I am surprised no one has ever just knocked him out.
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I'm not Steve, but if you weren't at the show--don't post rumors that you aren't sure are fact. His ass would have been evicted/arrested/shot at the Beacon if he was pushing people around.
There was an incident there - I'm not gonna spill it because pussies like to sue lol... but yes, something happened, there were threats, almost a fight, and it was the status quo - one guy who always starts crap with people, was there to start crap with people :(
Now if any of you who is anonymous would like to tell us what happened, please share it.
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I'm not Steve, but if you weren't at the show--don't post rumors that you aren't sure are fact. His ass would have been evicted/arrested/shot at the Beacon if he was pushing people around.
the original title of the thread was "was steve W at the NOC" somebody changed it and if you read my first post I asked if the rumors I heard were true or false. If they were false, great then just say they were false, if they were true then I can see it happening, everything I've ever read about steve has been about him confronting someone-Shawn Ray at the O a few years ago, yelling at the fans at the NOC a few years ago etc. From what I've heard it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. To come on here and tell me that all I gotta do is say it to steves face just kinda proves the point that he's a hothead. Wether he likes it or not he's in the public eye, it might be a small public eye, bodybuilding fans but it's still a public eye and he's subject to scrutiny.
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Romano, we all know that Steve is your boy, and Blechman likes him too but I was there too. I stood in the corner talking to some friends when Steve bumps/pushes that photo guy George as he was walking out of the theater. Next thing I heard was George yelling that if Steve "put his hands on" or pushed him again, he would have him arrested for assault. I heard George was a cop or something like that. He seemed pretty serious. I'd have loved to see NYPD's best cuff Weinberger and haul him off. His sole purpose of being there was to cause trouble IMO.
Also, and this goes for the other posters who want to drag Bev into this. It's not right to drag family into this BS.
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Lee has the biggest balls in the IFBB to compete in the PDI. I think it's a good move. He's the star of the PDI, has the potential to get more attention and more endorsements.
Having "balls" is when you are in a situation to lose something. When you have nothing to lose having balls is irrelavent.
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Having "balls" is when you are in a situation to lose something. When you have nothing to lose having balls is irrelavent.
Why does the ifbb care? They claim to hate lee and think he is a troublemaker right? So let the guy do what he wants. I love how the Olympia looked like a thrid rate production yet the iffbb disses the pdi like it is supposed to be first rate the first time out. Sweet venues the ifbb shows are held in lol.
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I think Steve has a similar hang up a la Mike Katz in Pumping Iron, if you get my drift. Steve just deals with it in a negative way.....
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I saw Steve there. He was sitting in his seat not bothering anybody. I saw him walk out at the night show, I said hello to him, he said hello to a few people and then he left. If he was bothering anyone or harassing anyone, why wouldn't the promoters have security throw him out? Also how come this one photographer guy - who obviously doesn't like him, is the only one to say that he was pushing people around? Don't you think that other BB's would have come and posted how Steve was "harassing" them too? This sounds like this Photographer is spouting off crap.... IMO, Steve had a right to be there to check out what was going on. A smart business move if you ask me. Obviously, they're having a problem with his being there.
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I have talked to 4 people who all saw the same thing. I'm not saying it's true. Just saying 4 people saw the same thing.
I'm sure someone here who knows him (which should be a lot of yall) could call him and ask him to post and clear it up so we'll know what really happened.
if he posts on here he'd probably threaten to beat up every member on this board.....he'd be using the old "fly down here and say it to my face" bullshit line....I predict he would have the first real meltdown in board history cause after about 10 minutes he'd put his fist through his computer...
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I spoke to Steve. George is not telling the truth. Steve did not push anybody nor touch him. Why would Steve push George? It’s a felony in New York to push someone, so go ahead. And Steve said ‘Why would I waste my time with you”. All Steve did was go to the show, and stayed to himself. Jeez - some of you guys as just too much.
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I spoke to Steve. George is not telling the truth. Steve did not push anybody nor touch him. Why would Steve push George? It’s a felony in New York to push someone, so go ahead. And Steve said ‘Why would I waste my time with you”. All Steve did was go to the show, and stayed to himself. Jeez - some of you guys as just too much.
Where you there?
You believe anything any of these guys say. Pretty obvious by now. I bet if Titus told you he didn't do it you would believe him. No offense. But you always take the other side.
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I call and ask. Did you actually here George say 'Steve W touched him and pushed me'. Or did you hear him say "IF you push me, I will complain". Big difference in the story. Was Steve W on his way out leaving the show, or did Steve go up to George. Get your facts straight - if something happened - it would be big news here.
Can't anyone go to a show. I hope to see Wayne DeMilia at the Olympia too.
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I call and ask. Did you actually here George say 'Steve W touched him and pushed me'. Or did you hear him say "IF you push me, I will complain". Big difference in the story. Was Steve W on his way out leaving the show, or did Steve go up to George. Get your facts straight - if something happened - it would be big news here.
Can't anyone go to a show. I hope to see Wayne DeMilia at the Olympia too.
No offense Ron but if Steve was being a dick would he have just came out and said " oh ya I was being an asshole and acting like a total jackass"
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George used to post on here until he started posting his photoshopped pics of female bodybuilders, got pissed when he was told the truth about them and then asked his site visitors to boycott getbig. Ron and I had the distinct pleasure of meeting George in person at the Europa when he sat at our table for dinner, oh yes and Lonnie Tepper was there as well. George is a bitter man with strong opinions, nothing wrong with that but he will take shots at the IFBB any where and way he can. George needs to put down his bottle of alcohol once in awhile and he might gain some clarity. I know he comes here and reads the boards now, so don't be shy George - tell us the truth, you know like you told Ron and I you had no problem doing at the Europa?
I know Steve and yes he is one guy you wouldn't want to fuck with, but he also doesn't just hit or push anyone for no reason. He's a New Yorker who tells it how it is and many people can't handle that.
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Romano, we all know that Steve is your boy, and Blechman likes him too but I was there too. I stood in the corner talking to some friends when Steve bumps/pushes that photo guy George as he was walking out of the theater. Next thing I heard was George yelling that if Steve "put his hands on" or pushed him again, he would have him arrested for assault. I heard George was a cop or something like that. He seemed pretty serious. I'd have loved to see NYPD's best cuff Weinberger and haul him off. His sole purpose of being there was to cause trouble IMO.
Also, and this goes for the other posters who want to drag Bev into this. It's not right to drag family into this BS.
Nobody's my boy. Let's get that straight right from the get-go. I'm just telling you like I saw it. Steve was cool. I heard of - not saw - an incident that I also heard was bullshit. All I can tell you is what I saw, and what I saw was Steve being cool. He stayed out of the way, up in the balcony, and checked out the show, with a ticket he bought.
Yes, he called Manion while he was there, I also called my boss - in fact, they were both having dinner together in Cleveland when I called and I spoke to both bosses. They both told me Steve had called. You mean no one here would have predicted that? No one figured the other side would come check out the show?
Come on guys, there is little to no drama here.
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No offense Ron but if Steve was being a dick would he have just came out and said " oh ya I was being an asshole and acting like a total jackass"
Yes, actually he would. Have you ever spoken to Steve in person? Didn't think so.
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George used to post on here until he started posting his photoshopped pics of female bodybuilders, got pissed when he was told the truth about them and then asked his site visitors to boycott getbig. Ron and I had the distinct pleasure of meeting George in person at the Europa when he sat at our table for dinner, oh yes and Lonnie Tepper was there as well. George is a bitter man with strong opinions, nothing wrong with that but he will take shots at the IFBB any where and way he can. George needs to put down his bottle of alcohol once in awhile and he might gain some clarity. I know he comes here and reads the boards now, so don't be shy George - tell us the truth, you know like you told Ron and I you had no problem doing at the Europa?
I know Steve and yes he is one guy you wouldn't want to f**k with, but he also doesn't just hit or push anyone for no reason. He's a New Yorker who tells it how it is and many people can't handle that.
Haha I am a bostonian and I can fight. Does that give me the right to act like a dick? You are just another intimidated little bitch.
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Yes, actually he would. Have you ever spoken to Steve in person? Didn't think so.
Haha ok lift studios. I wish I was in the bodybuilding club like you!
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Haha I am a bostonian and I can fight. Does that give me the right to act like a dick? You are just another intimidated little bitch.
A bostonian with a computer who can fight? Woo look out. If you've never met the guy how can you say he acts like a dick.
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I'm sure that Ron can get both men on the phone, get both of their accounts, and get to the bottom of this story, whether it was an incident, or a non-incident.
No sense any of us stating anything as fact, or attacking either guy.
Hit em with the hard Qs Ron. First man to blink gets the wrath of the peanut gallery.
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A bostonian with a computer who can fight? Woo look out. If you've never met the guy how can you say he acts like a dick.
I am going on the man reputation. There have been numerous confirmed storeis on sevceral sights. People who can fight do not own computers?
You insinuated since he was a "new yorker" that was how they act/ I know many a tough new yorker and bostonian who act perfectly normal.
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Steve was there pencil and pad in hand, writing down the names of any IFBB Pros or NPC competitors in sight. According to MisterGX, all NPC competitors who entered the building, even to watch the show, will be penalized 5 places at their next competition. IFBB Pro Lee Priest will be banned, but IFBB Pro Valentin Jabes will not be, because it won't make any headlines.
Special "Just the Fux, Please" Ed
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A lot of you smartalecs wouldnt talk shit to Weinberger in person, the guy is a highly proficient fighter in Ancient Okinawa style Karate.
From what I've read he auditioned for the part of "Terry Silver" in Karate kid 3 but lost out to Thomas Ian Griffith.
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Ron shall drop the 411 on us!
The truth shall set someone free.
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A lot of you smartalecs wouldnt talk shit to Weinberger in person, the guy is a highly proficient fighter in Ancient Okinawa style Karate.
From what I've read he auditioned for the part of "Terry Silver" in Karate 3 but lost out to Thomas Ian Griffith.
HAHAHHAHAH!!!!!
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Ahhhh my experience with Steve guy (what eva) would support the negative response's on him in this post , I can only comment on what I have witnessed or encountered, and it is my first hand experience that would have me believe Steve Dripplebugger (what eva) is a very angry self absorbed man whom does like anyone whom does not give a toss who he is or what his role is in the sport !!
Just what I have, first hand,witnessed thats all !!
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Ahhhh my experience with Steve guy (what eva) would support the negative response's on him in this post , I can only comment on what I have witnessed or encountered, and it is my first hand experience that would have me believe Steve Dripplebugger (what eva) is a very angry self absorbed man whom does like anyone whom does not give a toss who he is or what his role is in the sport !!
Just what I have, first hand,witnessed thats all !!
ha ha proof lift studios is the little brown nosing bitch he is accused of being daily.
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And so it goes to say that Steve went and start pushing everyone. Come on - whatever your experience with Steve - did he ever push you? Or was it a lot of talking. Steve went to the show with a friend.
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Ron you obviously are a good friend of Steve's, and that is fine , my friends also call me a great guy and would defend me (I would hope) but there are lots and lots of stories out there about Steve's demeanor and unpersonable personality , and usually all stories start from some truth !!
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Who gives a fcuk?
Evidently Hamburger didn't push Georgy. Yada, yada, yada...
If there would've been a fight, maybe there would've been something to write home about.
Perhaps Georgie got scared and leaked his pants a bit, we don't know, so we can't say.
That could be a reason for him "bettering" the story. Perhaps.
Why not get on to why Wienerburger was there in the first place?
What, if anything, has he taken notes about, and reported back to IFBB?
YIP
Zack
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I heard a rumor on another board that steve wienberger-or whatever his name is, the head judge over at the IFBB-was at the NOC yesturday. Reports say that he was yelling at competitors and shoving people around...basically playing the tough guy role.
Can anyone confirm or deny this report. From everything I've ever read about the guy he seems like the kind of guy that will yell and scream and play that role to get what he wants so I don't doubt it. Guy seems like an asshole to me but I don't know him personally so I might be wrong. I'm only making observations about what I've read. He tried to start a fight with Shawn Ray a few years ago at the Olympia, he yelled at some fans at the NOC a few years ago etc.
Anyway, is thei true or false, the part about him being at the NOC last night and bullying people?
Sounds ify
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George used to post on here until he started posting his photoshopped pics of female bodybuilders, got pissed when he was told the truth about them and then asked his site visitors to boycott getbig. Ron and I had the distinct pleasure of meeting George in person at the Europa when he sat at our table for dinner, oh yes and Lonnie Tepper was there as well. George is a bitter man with strong opinions, nothing wrong with that but he will take shots at the IFBB any where and way he can. George needs to put down his bottle of alcohol once in awhile and he might gain some clarity. I know he comes here and reads the boards now, so don't be shy George - tell us the truth, you know like you told Ron and I you had no problem doing at the Europa? I know Steve and yes he is one guy you wouldn't want to f**k with, but he also doesn't just hit or push anyone for no reason. He's a New Yorker who tells it how it is and many people can't handle that.
I sent George your post. Just to set the record straight. Here is a paste of what he thinks and I quote "I'ssac is an asshole. I wasn't drinking. Yeah I did sit at the table with him and Ron but I never said one word to Hinds. So tell him for me to stop dropping names in posts...especially people he doesn't know anything about....and the next time he accuses me of being an alcoholic in a public forum...he better have a deep wallet...
Steve acted like a thug plain and simple....he initiated the pushing and called me a ass....that's when I yelled so everyone in the room could hear "if you put your hands on me or push me again....I'm gonna have you locked up for assault" ...it he denies it...he lieing...."
Well, there you have it straight from the source. I also asked if he was a cop. I come to find out that he's an officer of the courts in the State of Virginia. So I guess he does know the law, and I guess Steve pushed the wrong guy this time. Too bad really. I'd have loved to see the cops drag that prick off in cuffs. ;D oh and another thing he said my post probably wouldn't stay up too long that Issac would delete it. Just as he or someone else already deleted my original post on this incident.
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Mike Quinn was a bad ass also...So bad that he almost ended up in cement shoes...Anyone over the age of 25 that goes around running their mouth and putting their hands on other people to prove how bad they are--are just one blink away from messing with the wrong guy...
Almost everything i've ever read about this douch bag(steve) has been disgraceful...Like Titus, he probably has gotten away with it so far in his life ;)...But their is an invisible ticker counting down over these people....
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I saw Steve there and he was totally cool
JOHN !!!!! There is no way on this earth one could describe Steve Wannabatrooper as COOL !!! :D
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I sent George your post. Just to set the record straight. Here is a paste of what he thinks and I quote "I's asack is an asshole. I wasn't drinking. Yeah I did sit at the table with him and Ron but I never said one word to Hinds. So tell him for me to stop dropping names in posts...especially people he doesn't know anything about....and the next time he accuses me of being an alcoholic in a public forum...he better have a deep wallet...
Steve acted like a thug plain and simple....he initiated the pushing and called me a ass....that's when I yelled so everyone in the room could hear "if you put your hands on me or push me again....I'm gonna have you locked up for assault" ...it he denies it...he lieing...."
Well, there you have it straight from the source. I also asked if he was a cop. I come to find out that he's an officer of the courts in the State of Virginia. So I guess he does know the law, and I guess Steve pushed the wrong guy this time. Too bad really. I'd have loved to see the cops drag that prick off in cuffs. ;D oh and another thing he said my post probably wouldn't stay up too long that Issac would delete it. Just as he or someone else already deleted my original post on this incident.
Actually, no way this gets deleted.
I talked to Ron on the phone tonight, and as always, the most important thing on GetBig is getting out EVERY side to the story. This is George's statement in response to the event and recent statements made.
it rides :)
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JOHN !!!!! There is no way on this earth one could describe Steve Wannabatrooper as COOL !!!
I guess this pretty well F@#ks any chance of me making a come back then !!!! ;)
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No one figured the other side would come check out the show?
I think the piont is here, isnt there some type of rule or wording in the rules to the effect, of having a IFBB member or committe member seen supporting other organisastions events ??
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I think the piont is here, isnt there some type of rule or wording in the rules to the effect, of having a IFBB member or committe member seen supporting other organisastions events ??
Not if he was sent there by the boss ;)
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Not if he was sent there by the boss
Soooooooooooooo the boss sent him there in full knowledge that in doing so he would be breaking the Rule book , hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe the boss is trying to get rid of Steve huh huh huh huh , Im on to something here aernt I John, huh huh , I am arent I huh ????????
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Hey Lee,
Leave my name out of it Dude. I fear nothing. Good job on your win. We will see when we battle again. We have gone back and forth the last two Arnolds. See you on stage Superman ;)
Marvelous Melvin Anthony
Sounds like he coming to the PDI. Good job Melvin
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I sent George your post. Just to set the record straight. Here is a paste of what he thinks and I quote "I's asack is an asshole. I wasn't drinking. Yeah I did sit at the table with him and Ron but I never said one word to Hinds. So tell him for me to stop dropping names in posts...especially people he doesn't know anything about....and the next time he accuses me of being an alcoholic in a public forum...he better have a deep wallet...
Steve acted like a thug plain and simple....he initiated the pushing and called me a ass....that's when I yelled so everyone in the room could hear "if you put your hands on me or push me again....I'm gonna have you locked up for assault" ...it he denies it...he lieing...."
Well, there you have it straight from the source. I also asked if he was a cop. I come to find out that he's an officer of the courts in the State of Virginia. So I guess he does know the law, and I guess Steve pushed the wrong guy this time. Too bad really. I'd have loved to see the cops drag that prick off in cuffs. ;D oh and another thing he said my post probably wouldn't stay up too long that Issac would delete it. Just as he or someone else already deleted my original post on this incident.
Never accused George of being an alcoholic. If he is that's his own problem and he appears to be the next guy to cry SUED! Give me a break. He's right, he never said one word to me at the table nor I to him. I was trying to be cordial to the guy. He made a smart ass comment on the way back to the car, don't make me sit next to that asshole Hinds. :'(
He called Steve a thug after the Colorado incident and knew nothing about it. George would rather hide out on Mayhem and have everyone tell him how great he and his photos are. Why would I delete anything related to this? I think it's quite amusing that George would yell like a little bitch when Steve approached him.
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This will be my last post here. I felt the need to tell my side of the story since Ron called me but evidently didn't use anything I told him....then I sent him this email. He did respond back to me with my user name....because I forgot it...
Hey I's asack....you must be the biggest assbiatch known to man...how many nuts have you hugged in the last week?
Here is the email I sent Ron....so much for getting to both sides of the story huh Ron? The only changes I made to the original email are the strike throughs....and some miss spellings to make it thru the profanity filters...
Ok Ron, I've gotten several emails from my "spy"...cut and pastes. As I don't even remember my screen name or login, to defend myself on your board anymore.. here is my side of the story...print it or not...no matter...but first...tell your asshole friend if he ever again accuses me of being drunk...he will be sorry....his wallet will be emptied...so he better start making some money from those shitty websites he makes. The only drinking I did there was from a WATER bottle....
As I was leaving the theatre steve thuglife was standing near the exit. The first thing he said to me was "next time spell my name right you coccksuucker" He was probably referencing some posts from MM where I called him whineberger. And I said "spell your name right...yeah right ok"....that's when he came up to me and shoved me and said that's right spell my name right you coccksuucker. Thats when I said as loud as I could for everyone to hear "if you put your hands on me again or push me...I'm gonna have you locked up for assault"...as I walked away he was still cursing me calling me a coccksuucker....then I stopped at the door...and turned and said...oh yeah...well what are you going to do?....Steve said "what...you some kind of tough guy now"?....and I said back to him...very
loudly....push me again and find out...I turned and walked out onto the street...even as he continued cursing me calling me coccksuucker and some other stuff....
If he denies it....he's a liar. And if you can find ANYONE who was there...that's not a ifbb puppet...they will tell you the truth...so print what you want....I stand by my story....if it happens again...there won't be any threats of an arrest...I will have him locked up...and when he gets out...I will sue his ass off in civil court.
You don't know me well...but I do know the law....I have locked up murderers, druggies and what have you....steve thuglife is a typical wannabe thug....I've arrrested his type too...thats right....I have arrested them....Guaranteed if this happend in Virginia....I'd have locked him up on the spot. What he doesn't know is that
I'm an officer of the courts in Virginia....and while it would only be considered simple assault with no batterey charge....it is a felony to assault an officer of the courts in Virginia....
As an ifbb rep he should know better than to come to another federation event and try to start trouble....if he was there only to report...he would have done so and left....so saying that he was only reporting is bull sshhit plain and
simple....maybe talk to some of the judges there too...I know he did get into it with 1 or 2 of them....the guy acted like a psycopath....and you can tell I's asack to keep is little phucking buttboy mouth shut about things he doesn't know anything about...
Ron....From what my spy sent me...you didn't even bother to put up anything I told you on the phone...so why do I even expect this email will be any different....
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Ron ain't going to day anything bad. MD lost thier press pass. Ron is scared of the same. And i heard from a guy who was there Steve also bumped into him with a good push but he just ignored Steve. So much for people being able to say what they want. What power does the IFBB or ami have over anyone answer F U C K I N NONE. Who are they without ATHLETES,FANS,MAGAZINE,SPONSORS ETC........ Why can't you people see that without any of these peoples money the IFBB would not exsist yet they dictate what people do and say and where to spend thier money....come on.
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Hey is it me or when Bob last night said that the IFBB has all the top BBs in the world blah blah blah,then goes on to rant about how you hate the org. and if you hate it so much why bother participating in the IFBB. Doesnt that sound kinda stupid? Thats like saying all best in one profession goes to ONE place, and if you are the one of the best in that profession, so where you going to go ??
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Ron ain't going to day anything bad.MD lost thier press pass Ron is scared of the same.And i heard from a guy who was there Steve also bumped into him with a good push but he just ignored Steve.So much for people being able to say what they want.What power does the IFBB or ami have over anyone answer F U C K I N NONE.Who are they without ATHLETES,FANS,MAGAZINE,SPONSORS ETC........Why can't you people see that without any of these peoples money the IFBB would not exsist yet they dictate what people do and say and where to spend thier money....come on.
I'm with you on this sentimentLee. BAck in 2004 i worked with an events company to organise Musclemania here in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia .Next thing i know, the ABBF/IFBB slapped me with a life ban (as i am a competitve bodybuilder myself). Of course i made such a ruckus that they eventually lifted my ban. It's so silly for such a huge organisation to feel intimated by some of the smaller organisations that they feel the need to ban athletes etc.And to think that they always go around preaching and promoting bodybuilding.... while on the other hand they are doing just the opposite by trying to kill the smaller organisations by means of threatening the ethletes to not compete yadda yadda yadda..... :P
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I was reviewing the tapes last night from Bodybuildersreality footage taken backstage while Lee is pumping up at the N.O.C.
There's some audio of one of the guys (competitors I believe) talking LOUDLY about an incident with "Steve".
Interesting and funny stuff...
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Im freemans trainer, hey ive known Steve forever.The guy knows there's a new league starting, And was taking notes...whats wrong with that .Well if you so called tough guys want to smack Weinburger talk all this shit ..stop bye powerhouse ..and if anyone has a beef with me for speaking I will for sure split there head wide open okay.Threaten with jail no big ...when I get bailed out, I will make sure beating is much worse ...any of you big talkers lets go.I welcome it ask around see If Im serious...That will be the day when the Ifbb And npc worry about this Punk ass bullshit.
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Im freemans trainer,hey ive known Steve forever.The guy knows there's a new league starting,
And was taking notes...whats wrong with that .Well if you so called tough guys want to smack
Weinburger talk all this shit ..stop bye powerhouse ..and if anyone has a beef with me for speaking
I will for sure split there head wide open okay.Threaten with jail no big ...when I get bailed out,
I will make sure beating is much worse ...any of you big talkers lets go.I welcome it ask around see
If Im serious...That will be the day when the Ifbb And npc worry about this Punk ass bullshit.
yeah i'll go to powerhouse and aks everyone if a trainer who recently has used Tony Freeman's getbig handle has been in, is hamburger your boyfriend sweetheart?
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I saw Steve there and he was totally cool. The only thing I heard was that he bumped into Rhino and absolutely nothing came of it. I can also tell you that there is about a billion other people I'd rather get into a fight with than Steve, and that's saying something.
No offense John, but he was not being cool. Nothing came of it, because I did nothing about it. He wanted and tried to engage me, which to me shows the effect I(we) have on him. Beating him up would accomplish nothing for me, as easy as it would be to do- He started with George L as well, only cursed at him and such. He is not a cool guy at all...At all.
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Im freemans trainer,hey ive known Steve forever.The guy knows there's a new league starting,
And was taking notes...whats wrong with that .Well if you so called tough guys want to smack
Weinburger talk all this shit ..stop bye powerhouse ..and if anyone has a beef with me for speaking
I will for sure split there head wide open okay.Threaten with jail no big ...when I get bailed out,
I will make sure beating is much worse ...any of you big talkers lets go.I welcome it ask around see
If Im serious...That will be the day when the Ifbb And npc worry about this Punk ass bullshit.
i dont know if i understood what you were trying to say correctly (what with the psychopathic undertones of it all), but are you saying that if people want to compete somewhere else or support another organization then they will get intimidated so they go back to the ifbb and if they speak against you they will get there head split wide open then when you get out of jail split it even wider?
what a stupid load of bollocks,since when did the ifbb hire "enforcers" to scare people back to stay loyal to the ifbb.
Btw some people might not go to the cops they might just split your head open right back.
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Rhino you should of snuffed him out !
It was funny, he was like a little bitch, trying to get my attention. The best way to deal with fuckheads like that is ignore them.
He needs to grow up.
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True plus people with money are always getting suckered into situations where we have more to loose than the other guy.
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No offense John, but he was not being cool. Nothing came of it, because I did nothing about it. He wanted and tried to engage me, which to me shows the effect I(we) have on him. Beating him up would accomplish nothing for me, as easy as it would be to do- He started with George L as well, only cursed at him and such. He is not a cool guy at all...At all.
Like I said, he was cool with me, and no one threw any punches. That's all I said. In my book talk is cheap. You going to do something, then do it. If Steve was there to get into a fight believe me, he would have gotten into one. However, if the reports are true and he did try to take care of some personal stuff while he was there, then that was showing poor judgement.
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Im freemans trainer,hey ive known Steve forever.The guy knows there's a new league starting,
And was taking notes...whats wrong with that .Well if you so called tough guys want to smack
Weinburger talk all this shit ..stop bye powerhouse ..and if anyone has a beef with me for speaking
I will for sure split there head wide open okay.Threaten with jail no big ...when I get bailed out,
I will make sure beating is much worse ...any of you big talkers lets go.I welcome it ask around see
If Im serious...That will be the day when the Ifbb And npc worry about this Punk ass bullshit.
no offense dude, but your post kinda looses it's effectiveness when you post using someone else's ID.......
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No offense John, but he was not being cool. Nothing came of it, because I did nothing about it. He wanted and tried to engage me, which to me shows the effect I(we) have on him. Beating him up would accomplish nothing for me, as easy as it would be to do- He started with George L as well, only cursed at him and such. He is not a cool guy at all...At all.
Not the smartest comment I've seen you make....be glad nothing came of it, or your costume for your posing routine would've been..."the patient".
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Not the smartest comment I've seen you make....be glad nothing came of it, or your costume for your posing routine would've been..."the patient".
Are you saying that Wienberger is tougher than rhino and would of handed his ass to him in a confrontatinon chick ?
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Not the smartest comment I've seen you make....be glad nothing came of it, or your costume for your posing routine would've been..."the patient".
Ummmmmmm, okay. Whatever.
I'll say what I want, just like you do. I'm not worried, those who know me, know I have nothing to worry about. Lie Romano said, if he was going to do something, he would have, he did'nt........Which was probably smart on his part.
Chick, you don't know me, I do understand you know Jimmy Mentis though, maybe he can explain......
As usuall, you talk about things you nothing of.
Go ahead, now keep poking fun at me, keep making yourself look stupid.......
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Like I said, he was cool with me, and no one threw any punches. That's all I said. In my book talk is cheap. You going to do something, then do it. If Steve was there to get into a fight believe me, he would have gotten into one. However, if the reports are true and he did try to take care of some personal stuff while he was there, then that was showing poor judgement.
Yeah, even if he didn't *hit* anyone, going to someone else's show and having multiple confrontations is poor judgment no matter what.
These things could have been handled on the phone the next day. The only things you get when you demand an immediate public confrontation is 1) an audience to spread rumors about it, 2) a poorly thought-out delivery laced with emotion, 3) the reputation that you are unable to control your temper and words.
I can only imagine what the guys' everyday life is like, if he gets into confrontations like this with multilpe people at so many events. I only hope he gets the anger under control before he is claimed by a heart attack. Unfortunately, heart disease often follows people who are continually involved in confrontations and is nature's way of telling you to settle down. The other option is society's restraint: Prison.
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True plus people with money are always getting suckered into situations where we have more to loose than the other guy.
Exactly, I am above this childish nonsense. But still, not a good idea to fuck with me........internet is one thing, face to face...another.
My buddie Jimmy vest was there, and nobody knows this, but with him, was a top ufc fighter.....Just waiting.
Rhino has all kinds of freinds(LOL).
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What's with all the "tough guys" at bodybuilding shows?
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Yeah, even if he didn't *hit* anyone, going to someone else's show and having multiple confrontations is poor judgment no matter what.
These things could have been handled on the phone the next day. The only things you get when you demand an immediate public confrontation is 1) an audience to spread rumors about it, 2) a poorly thought-out delivery laced with emotion, 3) the reputation that you are unable to control your temper and words.
I can only imagine what the guys' everyday life is like, if he gets into confrontations like this with multilpe people at so many events. I only hope he gets the anger under control before he is claimed by a heart attack. Unfortunately, heart disease often follows people who are continually involved in confrontations and is nature's way of telling you to settle down. The other option is society's restraint: Prison.
Agreed, backstage, and including one of the judges, Mr. Weinberger had multiple people there who, lets just say...Don't think very highly of him.
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What's with all the "tough guys" at bodybuilding shows?
insecurities and egos
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insecurities and egos
You are probably correct, but, it is sad that this kind of behaviour is tolerated at professional shows.
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Exactly, I am above this childish nonsense. But still, not a good idea to f**k with me........internet is one thing, face to face...another.
My buddie Jimmy vest was there, and nobody knows this, but with him, was a top ufc fighter.....Just waiting.
Rhino has all kinds of freinds(LOL).
Right....so it's not a good idea to "fuck with you"...but you needed a top UFC fighter to back you up?
Give it a rest...
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Right....so it's not a good idea to "f**k with you"...but you needed a top UFC fighter to back you up?
Give it a rest...
why? Steve's a pretty tough dude by all accounts, he's some kinda martial arts guy he shouldn't be scared of any UFC guys.
Chick, honestly can anyone from the IFBB do anything that you don't agree with. Seems to me they could piss on the US flag and you'd back them up. I'm serously considering you for lap dog status already.
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I never stated whether I agree or disagree with Steve's actions (if they are whats been said)...
Jack is the one talking shit...I called him on it.
Try and comprehend whats been posted before making more comments.
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Im freemans trainer, hey ive known Steve forever.The guy knows there's a new league starting, And was taking notes...whats wrong with that .Well if you so called tough guys want to smack Weinburger talk all this shit ..stop bye powerhouse ..and if anyone has a beef with me for speaking I will for sure split there head wide open okay.Threaten with jail no big ...when I get bailed out, I will make sure beating is much worse ...any of you big talkers lets go.I welcome it ask around see If Im serious...That will be the day when the Ifbb And npc worry about this Punk ass bullshit.
Is this Aponte? The guy who "trains" Tony for no charge, lets him stay at his apartment, cooks all of his meals for him, gives hime pedicures, etc.? I'm surprised that you were able to stop massaging Toney's feet long enough to hop on the keyboard and type those laughable threats. Please tell us that english is your second language.
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I never stated whether I agree or disagree with Steve's actions (if they are whats been said)...
Jack is the one talking shit...I called him on it.
Try and comprehend whats been posted before making more comments.
you jumped in Rhino's shit...pretty much saying he was a wuss for having a UFC guy with him...what's not to comprehend? Why would you even get involved? Do you condone what steve allegedly did? How do you as athletes rep feel about guys being penalized for attending a non IFBB event? How about the use of scare tactics from a fairly well known and influential IFBB judge? What are you prepared to do for an athlete that was just watching the NOC and gets penalized in the future? Are there specific rules in the IFBB rulebook that state that you cannot ATTEND another org. events?
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It seems Steve Weinberger was in a state of irritation before he even walked into the theatre. What could have caused his calcitrant mood? Was it the jolt of being awaken from his comfortable sleep at the IFBB? After all he had a great job with unquestioned authority up until now. Suddenly he finds he has to stand by the values he has been espousing. Not an easy position to be in.
It is like a light being shone under a rock, the insects are awaken from their dark slumber, frightened and grumpy they scurry about in desperate confusion to reposition. Adapting to change isn't always easy. But sometimes there is no choice.
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I'm Vince Goodrum, formally known as Venom Vince Versace.
The man who runs the block. The man who could put you in the Cobra Crosslock. The Carolina Cobra that drop more elbows than Dusty Rhodes, the one that's always pimping a stable full of ho's and if you don't knoooooooooowwwwww.....n ow you know.
That's who, Lee McCrutchen... ;D
Didn't Ric Flair own you? I think I saw the Freebirds turkey stomp you one night too.
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I never stated whether I agree or disagree with Steve's actions (if they are whats been said)...
Jack is the one talking shit...I called him on it.
Try and comprehend whats been posted before making more comments.
You could'nt call me on shit.....you are one of those assholes who beats me up online, but then will say you were just kidding when I see you.
It's funny, we were talking about how foolish you looked when you called me a fraud concerning the North America, you are going down that route again.
Stop stalking me. it's really getting weird now chick.
why don't you get publicity on your own merit, instead of riding my coatails all the time.
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you jumped in Rhino's shit...pretty much saying he was a wuss for having a UFC guy with him...what's not to comprehend? Why would you even get involved? Do you condone what steve allegedly did? How do you as athletes rep feel about guys being penalized for attending a non IFBB event? How about the use of scare tactics from a fairly well known and influential IFBB judge? What are you prepared to do for an athlete that was just watching the NOC and gets penalized in the future? Are there specific rules in the IFBB rulebook that state that you cannot ATTEND another org. events?
If Steve was acting inappropriately, then no...of course I don't condone it.
No one has, or will be penalized for attending the NOC...or any other non IFBB function. There has never been one single case...
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It seems Steve Weinberger was in a state of irritation before he even walked into the theatre. What could have caused his calcitrant mood? Was it the jolt of being awaken from his comfortable sleep at the IFBB? After all he had a great job with unquestioned authority up until now. Suddenly he finds he has to stand by the values he has been espousing. Not an easy position to be in.
It is like a light being shone under a rock, the insects are awaken from their dark slumber, freightened and grumpy they scurry about in desperate confusion to reposition. Adapting to change isn't always easy. But sometimes there is no choice.
Exactly, and the best he could muster was to pick fights. Again, like I said, I am not afraid, just above it, best thing to do is ignore. Achknowlgeing him at all is exactly what he wants.
End of discussion, from my point of view.
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50 year old Steve Weinberger as an "Enforcer"? ;D ;D Did he have pony-tailed Steve Carrol with him as backup?
Run Biffy run!
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Steve gets his rep simply because he yells at the guys in the gym that do not follow the simple rules....They do not put their weights away, throw the weights down destroying the bells and scream and yell when lifting for no reason. I've never heard of him actually having a legit fight...not push and bs, but legit with anyone. ya take some ickboxing lessons and your all of the sudden starting fights and this guy going around fighting....if he was that way he would be getting into fights daily....not the truth.
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George used to post on here until he started posting his photoshopped pics of female bodybuilders, got pissed when he was told the truth about them and then asked his site visitors to boycott getbig.
Then he changed his name and continued posting with a 'slightly' different online personality.
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You could'nt call me on shit.....you are one of those assholes who beats me up online, but then will say you were just kidding when I see you.
It's funny, we were talking about how foolish you looked when you called me a fraud concerning the North America, you are going down that route again.
Stop stalking me. it's really getting weird now chick.
why don't you get publicity on your own merit, instead of riding my coatails all the time.
Riding YOUR coat tails?? lolololololol.......
Excuse me, but I think I've been around just a little longer than you, bro...
BTW...don't kid yourself...I'm not that guy that says one thing and then acts differently in person. You can ask Titus about when I confronted him at the USA's in front of 20 people.
I will, however, do something for you that apparently none of your "friends" were willing to do...tell you the truth.
You are not built for bodybuilding...and certainly not Pro BB. Go into powerlifting, pro wrestling, or into the circus as a stronman...but don't kid yourself, you have no business on a bodybuilding stage.
I'm sure you're a nice guy and all (bullshit on the boards aside)...but you need to realize that not everyone is made for the stage, and you're one of those guys...it wasn't the "carb up", you didn't go "flat", you didn't "mis-time your peak", etc....
If you really want an honest answer...ask your buddy Jimmy Mentis (since you brought him up)...ask him for the TRUTH. He'll tell you the same thing.
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Dont sugar coat it Bob, let him have it ..
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Riding YOUR coat tails?? lolololololol.......
Excuse me, but I think I've been around just a little longer than you, bro...
BTW...don't kid yourself...I'm not that guy that says one thing and then acts differently in person. You can ask Titus about when I confronted him at the USA's in front of 20 people.
I will, however, do something for you that apparently none of your "friends" were willing to do...tell you the truth.
You are not built for bodybuilding...and certainly not Pro BB. Go into powerlifting, pro wrestling, or into the circus as a stronman...but don't kid yourself, you have no business on a bodybuilding stage.
I'm sure you're a nice guy and all (bullshit on the boards aside)...but you need to realize that not everyone is made for the stage, and you're one of those guys...it wasn't the "carb up", you didn't go "flat", you didn't "mis-time your peak", etc....
If you really want an honest answer...ask your buddy Jimmy Mentis (since you brought him up)...ask him for the TRUTH. He'll tell you the same thing.
You think thats the first time someone has told me that????? You think those words are profetic?????
People have been telling me I could not be a bodybuilder since I started, everytime "they" said I could not, I did.
I could not win this or that, then could not be a pro, now its be a pro. I missed my mark, but that means nothing, I have won shows CHick.......
Oh, by the way, there were others I beat......At my best I would have been 11th or 12th....But I belonged there, like it or not. No I won't win, probably ever-but I am there for the love of it, and the fans.
I still think at me best I could beat you. And remember, this is just a hobby for me. Can you hear that? thats me laughing as I close another deal.
Chick, I really don't get it, you constantly tell me that I am nobody, and nothing, and yet, you are so threatened by me????
All bullshit aside, I seriously don't understand why you have such a problem with me. What the hell did I do to you????
Just keep insulting me, it's just fuel for my fire, acording to you, I am the wrost, so I guess I can only do better...with expectations like that, how can I lose???????
To you and all the haters, keep hating, it fuels me, although seriously, I will never get it.
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The real issue here is that there was even a (PDI) show for Steve to walk into at all.
I would've expected more 'shock' about that than anything from the talking heads here. Maybe something happened, maybe it didn't, but I just don't think Steve - or anyone - would've attended the NOC just to confront my buddy, George.
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You think thats the first time someone has told me that????? You think those words are profetic?????
People have been telling me I could not be a bodybuilder since I started, everytime "they" said I could not, I did.
I could not win this or that, then could not be a pro, now its be a pro. I missed my mark, but that means nothing, I have won shows CHick.......
Oh, by the way, there were others I beat......At my best I would have been 11th or 12th....But I belonged there, like it or not. No I won't win, probably ever-but I am there for the love of it, and the fans.
I still think at me best I could beat you. And remember, this is just a hobby for me. Can you hear that? thats me laughing as I close another deal.
Chick, I really don't get it, you constantly tell me that I am nobody, and nothing, and yet, you are so threatened by me????
All bullshit aside, I seriously don't understand why you have such a problem with me. What the hell did I do to you????
Just keep insulting me, it's just fuel for my fire, acording to you, I am the wrost, so I guess I can only do better...with expectations like that, how can I lose???????
To you and all the haters, keep hating, it fuels me, although seriously, I will never get it.
Tells me (and everyone else) exactly what I thought...you're delusional.
Bets of luck to you Jack...
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Tells me (and everyone else) exactly what I thought...you're delusional.
Bets of luck to you Jack...
Yeah, I know, I'm delusional, you're right......
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Yeah, I know, I'm delusional, you're right......
Rhino, You are delusional. Even though Chick has a weird body, he destroys you in the physique department...
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Yeah, I know, I'm delusional, you're right......
You are. it's kinda creepy actually. You couldn't beat me at your best. your best is pathetic. Face it,you suck
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Rhino, You are delusional. Even though Chick has a weird body, he destroys you in the physique department...
The hair might be a toss up... Is hair a body part?
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You are. it's kinda creepy actually. You couldn't beat me at your best. your best is pathetic. Face it,you suck
Thats great! An internet troll, telling me that I am "creepy".
Now I have heard it all.
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Thats great! An internet troll, telling me that I am "creepy".
Now I have heard it all.
I'm no troll douchebag. I'll put my physique up against that poor excuse of a body you have anyday. And I don't take juice.
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???this is some wwe shit ???
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I'm no troll douchebag. I'll put my physique up against that poor excuse of a body you have anyday. And I don't take juice.
yeah, yeah, yeah, another internet toughguy....."douchebag?" keep diggin your hole.
I'll be at the NOC next year, so feel free to bring it.......oh, you ned to qualify first(LOL)
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yeah, yeah, yeah, another internet toughguy....."douchebag?" keep diggin your hole.
I'll be at the NOC next year, so feel free to bring it.......oh, you ned to qualify first(LOL)
Hopefully you'll be in the audience where you belong.
I am qualified. i won the trans-europe express international invitational free posing round in 1993. I just don't have any proof.
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Jack your an enthusiastic guy and i'm sure a good guy, but you really do look ridiculous when you say stuff like you think you ca beat Bob...that's insane. bodybuilding is a tough game and to be good is pretty unique. Anyone can build a arm or chest or some muscle, but only a very very small number of people that compete actually do great...most will never win a legit show.
Seriously, and i aint being mean hearted or anything but you should NOT have been on a so called professional stage. I mean you can and should go back to the drawing board and change things up then give a show like the Ny state, Mets or Suburban a shot...see how you do....work hard, maybe put a little more effort in it than you would a hobby and see where it takes ya, but to go on a pro stage, refer to yourself as a pro and actually say things like you can beat Bob C is completely insane.
If Bob gets no respect from you as a person you should not and could not deny the fact that Bob was a better BB than you at age 18....he was then and is now one of the best in the country. I know you respect BB so try to put your defense responses on hold and think about it. No...absolutely no disrespect toward you here at all....I've been around competing for a long time myself and the one thing I can not stand (and I'm sure you agree) is when people don't give bodybuilding the respect it deserves, especially in this day and age of drugs. Today anyone can build a bit of muscle with the right drugs and minimal effort, but to be an elite level BB or even regional champion takes something more special.
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Steve was there pencil and pad in hand, writing down the names of any IFBB Pros or NPC competitors in sight. According to MisterGX, all NPC competitors who entered the building, even to watch the show, will be penalized 5 places at their next competition. IFBB Pro Lee Priest will be banned, but IFBB Pro Valentin Jabes will not be, because it won't make any headlines.
Special "Just the Fux, Please" Ed
According to me?? When did I become an NPC Official?? Get your people straight Ed.. I'm not Steve....
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According to me?? When did I become an NPC Official?? Get your people straight Ed.. I'm not Steve....
I was kidding MGX. Lighten up Francis.
Special "I spoke to God too" Ed
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I was kidding MGX. Lighten up Francis.
Special "I spoke to God too" Ed
Oh boy... ::)
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Here's some facts that very few know about. Steve Weinberger was spoon fed bodybuilding by Wayne Demilia at a very young age. Demilia took Steve every fuckin' place. Steve couldn't judge an apple from an orange but Wayne kept him around . In the early 80s Wayne introuduced Bev Frances who I know is a very nice person to Steve. Steve fell for Bev in a way big way and they were married.
Because Steve was a New York guy and a friend of Waynes, Jim Manion encouraged him to run for the NPC chairman for New York. He began to promote contests successfully on a local level. When Wayne was fired or whatever happened during that period, Weinberger started to run the NY Pro show. As in all things memories tend to be short and he has turned into a fucking lap dog for his friends at the big ranch. Remember where you came from and how you got there!
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Talk is cheap and it's sad that grown ass men are online talking about how tough they are and ooo if I see you, you better bring it! Then claim to be above fighting in person. I could give two shits about it as I know if Steve wanted to do something about either one of them he would have.
George knows how I feel about him and I feel bad for the old fart. I'd comment on Rhino but he'd threatened to sue me again. Let's see George and Rhino both threatening me to sue because I comment on what 99.99999999% of the people see is blatant truth.
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Talk is cheap and it's sad that grown ass men are online talking about how tough they are and ooo if I see you, you better bring it! Then claim to be above fighting in person. I could give two shits about it as I know if Steve wanted to do something about either one of them he would have.
George knows how I feel about him and I feel bad for the old fart. I'd comment on Rhino but he'd threatened to sue me again. Let's see George and Rhino both threatening me to sue because I comment on what 99.99999999% of the people see is blatant truth.
Oh, I was waiting for you to come out.....say what you want Issac, I told Ron to give you my best, that where I leave it, if you want to bash me because I missed my conditioning, go ahead....I'm not lowering myself.
Peace bro.seriously.
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Oh, I was waiting for you to come out.....say what you want Issac, I told Ron to give you my best, that where I leave it, if you want to bash me because I missed my conditioning, go ahead....I'm not lowering myself.
Peace bro.seriously.
I don't need to bash you Jack, the photos speak volumes.
Best of luck in your future endeavors.
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I don't need to bash you Jack, the photos speak volumes.
Best of luck in your future endeavors.
You know waht, I have had it with you, fact is, you never finished my fucking website, never got bck to me. Then you threatened me to "reveal all the bullshit on my site" there is no bullshit on my site. Fact is you never took the time to finish my site, you did, however, take my my money. Your actions speak volumes and frankley I am sick of you and your bullshit. I went with Rob, because rob finished the job, for half the money, be a man, and send me my $500 back. Theif.
Oh, and I can others you have done the same to.
You need to be a better man, and stop leaching off people, more and more people are using Rob, because your reputation speaks volume...Now how you like them apples.
Want to play hardball?????? Fuck you.
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You know waht, I have had it with you, fact is, you never finished my fucking website, never got bck to me. Then you threatened me to "reveal all the bullshit on my site" there is no bullshit on my site. Fact is you never took the time to finish my site, you did, however, take my my money. Your actions speak volumes and frankley I am sick of you and your bullshit. I went with Rob, because rob finished the job, for half the money, be a man, and send me my $500 back. Theif.
Oh, and I can others you have done the same to.
You need to be a better man, and stop leaching off people, more and more people are using Rob, because your reputation speaks volume...Now how you like them apples.
Want to play hardball?????? f**k you.
WHOA bad move JACK! BAD MOVE! Do you REALLY want to go here Jack?
BTW you never paid me $500. You paid me $419 and never provided content.
Do you really want me to post your emails and expose your lying ass here for all to see?
You wanna talk lawsuits - slander me, my company and my business on a message board where I interact. You're starting to build a very good case for that.
Shall we continue or do you want me to take you down like 17 others did in the PDI show?
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WHOA bad move JACK! BAD MOVE! Do you REALLY want to go here Jack?
BTW you never paid me $500. You paid me $419 and never provided content.
Do you really want me to post your emails and expose your lying ass here for all to see?
You wanna talk lawsuits - slander me, my company and my business on a message board where I interact. You're starting to build a very good case for that.
Shall we continue or do you want me to take you down like 17 others did in the PDI show?
Take the high road and take this to PM man. Just a suggestion.
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Take the high road and take this to PM man. Just a suggestion.
I did and this is the route Jack is taking.
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Wow all this I will show you mine if you show me yours shit is nice but for Fuks sake Jack it's Over,Past Forget about it.If you haven't worked out how this place works then you are Dumb.Nobody cares.Everyone burns and talks shit,.this is like Hell.Go and train and spend some of ya millions$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.Do you get it.
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WHOA bad move JACK! BAD MOVE! Do you REALLY want to go here Jack?
BTW you never paid me $500. You paid me $419 and never provided content.
So what did you give him for the 419?, even without content, a lot can be accomplished, ie. layout, navigation, programming, fonts, palette, etc..
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This is for ''insiderxyz''There is always A mutt that acts like a dogg.Listen whats the ''beef ...but this ''insiderxyz'' this board shit but ...Look you have know idea whats up .. or what dragon you might wake UP....
Bro ''WANT SOME'', in jail punks like you when they were tied to the shower and there arm pits were ice picked some of the bad things you see....Think of who you insult and the people you might be messing with.I would really think about these insults or go find whoever you want to beef with and get your faced sliced wide ''OPEN AT BEST''SOUNDS LIKE.MAYBE YOU you need a lesson, and who knows keep on and you might get that wish.NO THREATS INTENDED JUST THOUGHTS PASSED ALONG. ;D
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To be clear that was not freeman posting just someone posting under that ,but you guys need to kool out on this whole deal ,peace out :-X
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Here's some facts that very few know about. Steve Weinberger was spoon fed bodybuilding by Wayne Demilia at a very young age. Demilia took Steve every fuckin' place. Steve couldn't judge an apple from an orange but Wayne kept him around . In the early 80s Wayne introuduced Bev Frances Who I know is avery nice person to Steve. Steve fell for Bev in a way big way and they were married. Because Steve was a New York guy and a friend of Waynes, Jim Manion encouraged him to run for the NPC chairman
for New York. He began to promote contests successfully on a local level. When Wayne was fired or whatever happened during that period ,Weinberger started to run the NY Pro show. As in all things memories tend to be short and he has turned into a fucking lap dog for his friends at the big ranch. Remember where you came from and how you got there, you douchebag
Same thing can be said for Wayne... The I.F.B.B. made him a wealthy man..
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Must we all quit our hobbies if we're not the best evah?
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Ice pick in the arm pits Now that shit would hurt,beats the arse out of a pillow case full of soap and a bag over the head.Yes alot of these boys want to hope they never get the go to jail pass.IMO.
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I did and this is the route Jack is taking.
If this is true Jack has made an error. :-\
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To be clear that was not freeman posting just someone posting under that ,but you guys need to kool out on this whole deal ,peace out :-X
Why are you letting illiterate ex-cons post under your handle?
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I had Steve stay at my place for a couple of days. If it weren't for Bev he would still be delivering bundles of newspapers in New York.
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I had Steve stay at my place for a couple of days. If it weren't for Bev he would still be delivering bundles of newspapers in New York.
;D Ouch.
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I think people have the story wrong. I HEARD it was Jocelyn Peltier who was pushing people around in the audience. True? ;)
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I think people have the story wrong. I HEARD it was Jocelyn Peltier who was pushing people around in the audience. True? ;)
Now THAT makes sense! Finally someone clarifies things.
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Talk is cheap and it's sad that grown ass men are online talking about how tough they are and ooo if I see you, you better bring it! Then claim to be above fighting in person. I could give two shits about it as I know if Steve wanted to do something about either one of them he would have.
George knows how I feel about him and I feel bad for the old fart. I'd comment on Rhino but he'd threatened to sue me again. Let's see George and Rhino both threatening me to sue because I comment on what 99.99999999% of the people see is blatant truth.
First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website....
Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me..... :'(
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Is this Aponte? The guy who "trains" Tony for no charge, lets him stay at his apartment, cooks all of his meals for him, gives hime pedicures, etc.? I'm surprised that you were able to stop massaging Toney's feet long enough to hop on the keyboard and type those laughable threats. Please tell us that english is your second language.
(http://www.wondertvbuys.com/images/hooked_phon.jpg)
Ouch!... ;D
If the bad English doesn't tell enough of his lack of intellect, threatening people with violence in a public forum certainly does. Most the contents of his posts are pretty much verbatim quotes from Joe Pesci's character in "Casino". I'm surprised he hasn't bragged about putting people's heads in vises and squeezing their eyeballs out. Freeman should be more careful about letting his "trainer" use his account IMO - no telling who's reading this board.
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Steve Weinberger was spoon fed bodybuilding by Wayne Demilia at a very young age. Demilia took Steve every fuckin' place. Steve couldn't judge an apple from an orange but Wayne kept him around . In the early 80s Wayne introuduced Bev Frances who I know is a very nice person to Steve. Steve fell for Bev in a way big way and they were married. Because Steve was a New York guy and a friend of Waynes, Jim Manion encouraged him to run for the NPC chairman for New York. He began to promote contests successfully on a local level. When Wayne was fired or whatever happened during that period, Weinberger started to run the NY Pro show.
Wayne was Steve’s mentor in the IFBB Pro division. Nothing is wrong with that. Like others who come into the sport, we learn a lot from the ones who have been there longer. Wayne introduced Bev Francis to Steve. That is true. Bev & Steve have a great relationship. Since Steve was in for a while, he became the NPC Chairman of New York. Great! And promoted contests successfully! Great again! Now - unfortunately Wayne and the IFBB and Ben Weider had some issues, and now Wayne is no longer there. Steve, as New York Chairman is still promoting shows, and also now running the NY Pro show. There is nothg wrong with that at all. Now as for being friendly with Wayne, unfortunately, the conflict begs to differ at the moment with them. One day perhaps - they may be friends again.
First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website.... Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me.....
George - your side of the story is up there, as you requested. But bashing Isaac shows you that you really don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t like it because he has an opinion that far differs from you on female bodybuilding and others. That is too bad. But calling him a guy because we try to promote the positiveness of the bodybuilding sport, and you don’t like it. Oh well. Isaac loves the sport of bodybuilding, and takes all sides of an arguement. Bottom line, Isaac will be around for a while in the sport, with the NPC, IFBB, and all things bodybuilders, and both of us try to be at many shows and expos. We enjoy the sport - have fun at the expo. But do you. Why go to the shows if all you do is complain, yell and scream. Come on now...
As for your family and income. Excellent. Kudos for you for having a good jobs, pets, a rocking chair, and most important, a family that loves you! That is a sense of balance. But talk about falling apart. Not cool. We had our words and hopefully we can debate with respect. But don’t bash Isaac. Because then it shows you dont know anything.
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First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website....
Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me..... :'(
I thought you were posting you last post earlier?
I mentioned Lonnie Tepper was at the table because you were arguing with him and told him he went down a notch in your respect for him, or don't you recall that part?
Yes, I'm just a young whipper snapper that's full of piss and vinegar. At least you give me perspective that if I'm ever 1/2 as bitter as you it's time to move on to something else in life.
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Wayne was Steve’s mentor in the IFBB Pro division. Nothing is wrong with that. Like others who come into the sport, we learn a lot from the ones who have been there longer. Wayne introduced Bev Francis to Steve. That is true. Bev & Steve have a great relationship. Since Steve was in for a while, he became the NPC Chairman of New York. Great! And promoted contests successfully! Great again! Now - unfortunately Wayne and the IFBB and Ben Weider had some issues, and now Wayne is no longer there. Steve, as New York Chairman is still promoting shows, and also now running the NY Pro show. There is nothg wrong with that at all. Now as for being friendly with Wayne, unfortunately, the conflict begs to differ at the moment with them. One day perhaps - they may be friends again.
George - your side of the story is up there, as you requested. But bashing Isaac shows you that you really don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t like it because he has an opinion that far differs from you on female bodybuilding and others. That is too bad. But calling him a guy because we try to promote the positiveness of the bodybuilding sport, and you don’t like it. Oh well. Isaac loves the sport of bodybuilding, and takes all sides of an arguement. Bottom line, Isaac will be around for a while in the sport, with the NPC, IFBB, and all things bodybuilders, and both of us try to be at many shows and expos. We enjoy the sport - have fun at the expo. But do you. Why go to the shows if all you do is complain, yell and scream. Come on now...
As for your family and income. Excellent. Kudos for you for having a good jobs, pets, a rocking chair, and most important, a family that loves you! That is a sense of balance. But talk about falling apart. Not cool. We had our words and hopefully we can debate with respect. But don’t bash Isaac. Because then it shows you dont know anything.
Ron, you have Issac wrong. He does not love Bodybuilding or he would have been on here promoting the NOC and Wayne instead of trying to put it down, which failed miserably. He loves the IFBB and Weiders. He IS A guy and everyone on here sees it plain as day. He bashes with the best of them. So if he can't take it he should leave.
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Ron, you have Issac wrong. He does not love Bodybuilding or he would have been on here promoting the NOC and Wayne instead of trying to put it down, which failed miserably. He loves the IFBB and Weiders. He IS A guy and everyone on here sees it plain as day. He bashes with the best of them. So if he can't take it he should leave.
Talk about him like he's not here Keith.
I have never waivered where my loyalty is and that's the IFBB. Call me a nut hugger, a puppet whatever. Call me stupid for being loyal to the best bodybuilding organization out there. Everyone likes to see those at the top fail, the IFBB is no different. You must not love bodybuilding at all because of all the shit you talk about the IFBB if that's the logic you are going with.
You have the biggest hardon for Shawn Ray and tried to undermine the Colorado Pro Show. You talked out of your ass for months on it and tried to see if fail, simply because of your hate for Shawn.
Don't you have some Tshirts to hunt down?
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First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website....
Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me..... :'(
D'oh! ;D
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I rather like Picsman/George's posting style
Guy practically melts down on every post :D
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Talk about him like he's not here Keith.
I have never waivered where my loyalty is and that's the IFBB. Call me a nut hugger, a puppet whatever. Call me stupid for being loyal to the best bodybuilding organization out there. Everyone likes to see those at the top fail, the IFBB is no different. You must not love bodybuilding at all because of all the shit you talk about the IFBB if that's the logic you are going with.
You have the biggest hardon for Shawn Ray and tried to undermine the Colorado Pro Show. You talked out of your ass for months on it and tried to see if fail, simply because of your hate for Shawn.
Don't you have some Tshirts to hunt down?
I am pretty sure I have over the past several years proved that I must like Bodybuilding. Cause I have well over $250,000 promoting it. That doesn't include the thousands of hours working on either my shows or others. BB is great. The IFBB is what sucks. They are the worse organization there is when it comes to equality and caring about there members. there is not many people that would or could argue that.
SUre the IFBB has been the best, cause till now they have been the only. It is easy to be the best when you are the only one. duhhhhhhh. And till now the IFBB has been able to do anything they want. Well now the times have changed. The PDI if anything is going to change BB. It's that simple. They already have made a change. For more than 40 years the IFBB has been the only real BB organization to put on a pro show and give away money. Well the PDI just had a successful show and gave away allot of money. And in the future the prize money is going to go up very fast.
I hate the IFBB because of the way they treat their members. It's that simple. They use and abuse with no compensation whatesoever. Their main objective is to advance Bodybuilding for their own purposes not the members. Whatever they do topromote the sport is for themselves not the BB's themselves. And if you don't see this then you are as blind as Chic and the others. Lee is the only one who has the eyes to see this. He is the only BB out there with the balls and the means to take a chance to see if it is better on the other side. He took that chance and it paid off. And it is going to pay off even more in the future. What you and the other IFBB schmoes need to realize is that the PDI is here and here to stay.
Major sponsors ARE coming on board and prize money is going to rival any of the IFBB shows in a relatively short time. The experinces the PDI guys will be way more vast and financially rewarding than they would ever experince in the IFBB.
And we found the shirts. I will have them available on my website www.musclemafia.com (http://www.musclemafia.com) hopefully by the weekend.
Oh by the way, you are STUPID, you are loyal to the worst and most corrupt BB organization out there. That might be why people tend not to like you much. It is called guilt by association. If you were more open and supprted BB and not just the IFBB then you would probably be alright.
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I am pretty sure I have over the past several years proved that I must like Bodybuilding. Cause I have well over $250,000 promoting it. That doesn't include the thousands of hours working on either my shows or others. BB is great. The IFBB is what sucks. They are the worse organization there is when it comes to equality and caring about there members. there is not many people that would or could argue that. SUre the IFBB has been the best, cause till now they have been the only. It is easy to be the best when you are the only one. duhhhhhhh. And till now the IFBB has been able to do anything they want. Well now the times have changed. The PDI if anything is going to change BB. It's that simple. They already have made a change. For more than 40 years the IFBB has been the only real BB organization to put on a pro show and give away money. Well the PDI just had a successful show and gave away allot of money. And in the future the prize money is going to go up very fast. I hate the IFBB because of the way they treat their members. It's that simple. They use and abuse with no compensation whatesoever. Their main objective is to advance Bodybuilding for their own purposes not the members. Whatever they do topromote the sport is for themselves not the BB's themselves. And if you don't see this then you are as blind as Chic and the others. Lee is the only one who has the eyes to see this. He is the only BB out there with the balls and the means to take a chance to see if it is better on the other side. He took that chance and it paid off. And it is going to pay off even more in the future. What you and the other IFBB schmoes need to realize is that the PDI is here and here to stay. Major sponsors ARE coming on board andprize money is going to rival any of the IFBB shows in a relatively short time. The experinces the PDI guys will be way more vast and financially rewarding than they would ever experince in the IFBB.
And we found the shirts. I will have them available on my website www.musclemafia.com (http://www.musclemafia.com) hopefully by the weekend.
I too support bodybuilding with my dollars by going to shows, sponsoring shows, working backstage at shows, donating design and web site hours to shows. I think the NPC and IFBB have a better product and even your beloved Wayne claims it is no competition for the IFBB.
You said all the same things before the show. "Sell out crowd" "bigger and better web site" then anything the IFBB has ever done, "BIG TIME sponsors" coming on board. ::) blah blah blah
At least one thing is clear; You, George and Jack all have a deep hatred for the IFBB/NPC. Funny how you are the loudest three stooges claiming victory and bashing the IFBB at every turn; while the rest of the world is still wondering what the f**k a leprechaun is doing on stage at a bodybuilding show.
;D
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I too support bodybuilding with my dollars by going to shows, sponsoring shows, working backstage at shows, donating design and web site hours to shows. I think the NPC and IFBB have a better product and even your beloved Wayne claims it is no competition for the IFBB.
You said all the same things before the show. "Sell out crowd" "bigger and better web site" then anything the IFBB has ever done, "BIG TIME sponsors" coming on board. ::) blah blah blah
At least one thing is clear; You, George and Jack all have a deep hatred for the IFBB/NPC. Funny how you are the loudest three stooges claiming victory and bashing the IFBB at every turn; while the rest of the world is still wondering what the f**k a leprechaun is doing on stage at a bodybuilding show.
;D
It sure is funny how you don't mention how everything you have said about the PDI and NOC was wrong. Issac truly you really need to open your eyes. themore you talk and support the IFBB the more stupid you look. The IFBB has nearly 40 years of ripping off their members. Do not see that. Are you seriously that blind and stupid.
DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind. Answer that question. Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation. Answer that question. DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice. Answer that question. Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair. Answer that question.
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DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind. Answer that question. Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation. Answer that question. DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice. Answer that question. Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair. Answer that question.
These are important questions. Everyone that claims to care about the sport and the athletes should show us all some respect and answer these questions truthfully.
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Ive been to jail and unless your a nonce(paedophile), a grass, wife beater, old woman mugger, or just a prick no one at all will f**k with you, i laugh when people always try and make it out to be worse than it is and that you get bummed every night or something, lol what a load of bollocks.
Stop trying to act tough on an internet message board theres NOTHING you can say to silence people so get over it.
Stop it, someone using Freeman's handle is trying to scare us. Let's see what else he can come up with. ;D
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Stop it, someone using Freeman's handle is trying to scare us. Let's see what else he can come up with. ;D
Isnt it funny when people try and scare people into shutting up, it just makes people do it more and makes them even more frustrated, like the guy who posted his phone number ;D that shit was hilarious.
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DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind. Answer that question. Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation. Answer that question. DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice. Answer that question. Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair. Answer that question.
have these questions been answered yet?, maybe he PM'ed you?
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It sure is funny how you don't mention how everything you have said about the PDI and NOC was wrong. Issac truly you really need to open your eyes. themore you talk and support the IFBB the more stupid you look. The IFBB has nearly 40 years of ripping off their members. Do not see that. Are you seriously that blind and stupid.
Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair. Answer that question.
What did I say about the PDI that was wrong? I didn't say they wouldn't have a show. I pointed out facts like the qualifiers being cancelled. Note QUALIFIERS. You came back with some lame ass excuse on why that was. I pointed out you were boasting about them having a world class website - yet there still isn't anything up. That's smart marketing there, new organization and no web site. Good job of marketing in 2006. There was supposed to be a PDI radio station - that never happened. The show was supposed to be about symmetry and the physiques of the classic days. That show was a far cry from that. Tons of sponsors were supposed to be coming on board and we'd all eat our words. None of that happened. SELL OUT CROWD yet we all know that wasn't the case. So I ask you what of the above is false?
DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind. Answer that question.
Yes, I will refer to Chic to point out what they've done to continue to improve. The IFBB has some old school ways but I do believe they are changing and with people who are positive and willing to work with them, they are responsive. It's clowns like you that just say they suck repeatedly that does nothing to help the member's cause. The competitors piss and moan but don't do anything to help change it. They need to work with Chic to help get things changed if they don't think they are being treated fairly.
Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation. Answer that question.
No but it continues to improve. I'm not a member of the IFBB and neither are you. That's why the members should be more supportive of Bob because he does have their best interest in mind to help on things like this. Many of these people think just because they are IFBB pros they should be paid large sums of money. That's not the case with most of them. Just because you're a pro doesn't mean jack shit in the long run if you don't prove your worth.
DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice. Answer that question.
What are they doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground? The PDI seems to do a good job on their own of preventing it from getting off the ground. Numerous press releases announcing health care at a mental hospital. Promised contracts and guest posings around the world. Tshirts not showing up. Village people on stage. Cancelling their qualifying shows. Having a guy who still owes IFBB pros money signed up to promote your PDI shows. The list goes on. You are quick to point out anything about the IFBB but look in the PDI mirror and tell us what you see.
Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair. Answer that question.
I agree with the not competing in other organizations, to me that is fair. I don't agree with not allowing them to be at seminars, guest posings, expos, etc. that aren't IFBB related. To me it would be smart to have them there, they'd have more people know about the best organization there is to compete in and the competitors would make more money.
Any more questions for me Keith?
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I think it's great that Steve Weinberger was there. Bodybuilding is Bodybuilding.
I would love to see Wayne go to the NY Pro Show and Jim Manyon go to the NABBA Universe. If it's promoted the right way there is room for several federations that lift bodybuilding as a sport.
I hope they all go to the Asian Games in Qatar in December, where every amateur weight class winner gets US$ 500,000.00
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Perfect someone sees it for what it is..Thank God.The Trainer.
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The show was supposed to be about symmetry and the physiques of the classic days.
It was,were you there? Frey, Haddad, Voros, Sinton all had exemplary classic golden age physiques. I hope none of them play into the IFBB size game, they would ruin their bodies and health.
The IFBB has some old school ways
Yes IFBB created and enforced old school ways. Glad you admit it.
No
Enough said. The IFBB has been in existence for how many years and still the answer is "No" c'mon dude, how much more time do they need?
Just because you're a pro doesn't mean jack shit in the long run if you don't prove your worth.
Is that some of the IFBB Old School sentiment you were referring too?
The PDI seems to do a good job on their own of preventing it from getting off the ground.
Good job at skirting the question.
I don't agree with not allowing them to be at seminars, guest posings, expos, etc. that aren't IFBB related.
Absolutely, now your talking.
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Jesus dont you guys ever get tired of this ? And I mean the competing guys, not the ones who make this 'type' of discussion a new internet sport.
Just do your contest and let others do theirs, why comment or attack on everything ?
Seem like all stereotypes are true after all :)
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Jesus dont you guys ever get tired of this ? And I mean the competing guys, not the ones who make this 'type' of discussion a new internet sport.
Just do your contest and let others do theirs, why comment or attack on everything ?
Seem like all stereotypes are true after all :)
Wrong newbie, there is an organized attempt to strongarm anyone who tries to create new avenues for pro bodybuiders to make money.
There is no "live and let live" attitude from the old dogs in power. Their teeth are exposed and they are ready to attack.
The competitors and fans are having an open, educated and honest discourse (however crude it may be) in hopes to bring a better day for bodybuilding. It is actually quite honorable.
The behavior here actually dispells the stereotype, so you have it wrong my friend.
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Riding YOUR coat tails?? lolololololol.......
Excuse me, but I think I've been around just a little longer than you, bro...
BTW...don't kid yourself...I'm not that guy that says one thing and then acts differently in person. You can ask Titus about when I confronted him at the USA's in front of 20 people.
I will, however, do something for you that apparently none of your "friends" were willing to do...tell you the truth.
You are not built for bodybuilding...and certainly not Pro BB. Go into powerlifting, pro wrestling, or into the circus as a stronman...but don't kid yourself, you have no business on a bodybuilding stage.
I'm sure you're a nice guy and all (bullshit on the boards aside)...but you need to realize that not everyone is made for the stage, and you're one of those guys...it wasn't the "carb up", you didn't go "flat", you didn't "mis-time your peak", etc....
If you really want an honest answer...ask your buddy Jimmy Mentis (since you brought him up)...ask him for the TRUTH. He'll tell you the same thing.
oh the irony LOL
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Wrong newbie, there is an organized attempt to strongarm anyone who tries to create new avenues for pro bodybuiders to make money.
There is no "live and let live" attitude from the old dogs in power. Their teeth are exposed and they are ready to attack.
The competitors and fans are having an open, educated and honest discourse (however crude it may be) in hopes to bring a better day for bodybuilding. It is actually quite honorable.
The behavior here actually dispells the stereotype, so you have it wrong my friend.
Great post and you have stated the absolute truth in regards to the strong arm tactics being used to discourage competitors and sponsors in free trade. I think when sponsors realize that The IFBB owes them ,things will change.
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The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders. There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.
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The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders. There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.
TRUE DAT BRO !!
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The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders. There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.
Very good point! :)
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The IFBB has a life president. There is no way to remove him from his office. Therefore there is no accountability. This is the problem the IFBB has.
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Im freemans trainer, hey ive known Steve forever.The guy knows there's a new league starting, And was taking notes...whats wrong with that .Well if you so called tough guys want to smack Weinburger talk all this shit ..stop bye powerhouse ..and if anyone has a beef with me for speaking I will for sure split there head wide open okay.Threaten with jail no big ...when I get bailed out, I will make sure beating is much worse ...any of you big talkers lets go.I welcome it ask around see If Im serious...That will be the day when the Ifbb And npc worry about this Punk ass bullshit.
AHAHAHAHAHAH!! THANX FOR THIS POST BROTHER!!! YOU ARE WAY TOOOOO DUMB AHAHAHAHAH!!!!
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The IFBB has a life president. There is no way to remove him from his office. Therefore there is no accountability. This is the problem the IFBB has.
I agree for a Sporting Body this would have to be one of the silliest set up,s ever , shit even the UN doesnt even have that rule , The catholic church does (the pope) but look what hassel that causes them !!
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Also that being the case why is it that the presidents of there respected nations for the IFBB are only allowed a yearly tenders unless revoted in !!!
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Ouch!... ;D
If the bad English doesn't tell enough of his lack of intellect, threatening people with violence in a public forum certainly does. Most the contents of his posts are pretty much verbatim quotes from Joe Pesci's character in "Casino". I'm surprised he hasn't bragged about putting people's heads in vises and squeezing their eyeballs out. Freeman should be more careful about letting his "trainer" use his account IMO - no telling who's reading this board.
I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.
God Bless, peace out.
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The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders. There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.
Romano, you have made a brilliant point here.
I would really like to hear your reaction to this quote:
All true Ron...the voice of reason as usual.
Funny thing is...I'm not so sure that people aren't looking at the bigger picture here.
Is another federation REALLY in the athletes best interest?
Lets consider the fact that there are lass than 30 "names" when you look at the "best of the best"...The tier 1 guys as people like to put it. Much like when we (the NPC) decided to create a SHW class...within a few years, it watered down the heavyweight division, which in turn, made for two mediocre classes as opposed to one strong one....and the depth of the competition has suffered since.
Lets assume for the sake of conversation, that The PDI actually comes to be...and that 1/2 of the top guys decide to compete there...equally divided among talent...Jay in one, Ronnie in another..etc, etc.
Given the fact that IFBB shows don't always pack the house, and the lower purse shows either barely make it, or get nixed....is there enough market to sustain BOTH?
Fans have dictated by their response, that they will suppport the bigger shows with the bigger names competing...they'll pay to see the best there is. What they won't do, is pay to see 1 or 2 great bodybuilders and a bunch of guys that are pretty good, and some they've never heard of.
McMahon thought the world could use another football league, too...had some funky new rules...some jazzy uniforms and cool names for the teams...and some damn good players, not the BEST, but very good by any standards. Same premise...same results. The fans showed little interest and it tanked in record time. Keep in mind, this was done with MILLIONS invested, TV time/ exposure.
The questions remain...are there enough fans out there to support 2 federations?
If there were 2 mediocre federations, would the athletes make MORE money, or quite possibly LESS?
The 25-30 best bodybuilders in the world can only compete in so many shows per year...if they were allowed to compete in both equally, would they compete more often? Could they financially or physically?
Heres some things I have to consider as the Athletes Representative...is it REALLY in the athletes best interests? I have to dig deep and consider ALL relevant issues...not just scratch the surface.
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I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.
God Bless, peace out.
Ok cool hes a hard dude but unless you didnt notice this is the internet, so how is that going to deter people from speaking there mind? these people are probably miles and miles away from each other.
Did you make an account just to tell people how tough toney freemans trainer is?
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Ok cool hes a hard dude but unless you didnt notice this is the internet, so how is that going to deter people from speaking there mind? these people are probably miles and miles away from each other.
Did you make an account just to tell people how tough toney freemans trainer is?
I'm sure they are Miles away from each other but not when they're both at the same competition. I saw a bad situation getting worse so yes I did sign up so I could post my warning. I have no problem with speaking your mind on a forum (after all, that's what I did) but when it becomes personal and threatening there has to be a line drawn in the sand at some point. If these 2 want to go at it that's fine with me, but I speak from personal experience having had my ass kicked by Aponte many years ago, and I grew up in the same neighborhood with the guy. We're friends now but I will never mess with him again. As my screen name implies, I literally bent down to pick up my severed ear off the ground after my tangle with him.
Nuf` said... I'll butt out of this one.
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I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.
God Bless, peace out.
this guy profreeman sounds really cool, Im a NY Italian and we dudes need to stick together. maybe I am on Steve's side now after all. Hey profreeman, where can i get some real Italian food, what happened to Manhattan. I live in Hells Kitchen and all there is f**in Tai and bulshit Asian crap. It sucks man where have all the Italians gone. The food sucks in Manhattan and all these fools come here and pay a fortune for crap absolute crap. stupid anglos. They woudnt' know good food if it was right in front them. What happened to all the good pizza joints. Anyway dude, hope you stay on the board. We need more Italians here. Too many midwestern nerds who eat skim milk and bolonga sandwiches every day try to fill out a guinea T and think their badasses. haaaaaaaaaaa
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Romano, you have made a brilliant point here.
I would really like to hear your reaction to this quote:
is there enough audience to support both film and TV? Can an actor in a sit-com go and do a movie and still come back an do TV with out getting fined? Wayne needs to make the spectacle of the PDI more different than the IFBB. If his point of difference is wide enough, he will attract the same people that go to IFBB shows because people want to be entertained.
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is there enough audience to support both film and TV? Can an actor in a sit-com go and do a movie and still come back an do TV with out getting fined? Wayne needs to make the spectacle of the PDI more different than the IFBB. If his point of difference is wide enough, he will attract the same people that go to IFBB shows because people want to be entertained.
market segmentation. monster niching. epic application of marketing schema.
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Also that being the case why is it that the presidents of there respected nations for the IFBB are only allowed a yearly tenders unless revoted in !!!
Simple, if someone they appoint do something wrong or not they want, they can be ousted easier.
And is trainer also mean boyfriend in some hidden code way or something
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Chick,
this is exactly what you should tell your friend Tamali
You are not built for bodybuilding...and certainly not Pro BB. Go into powerlifting, pro wrestling, or into the circus as a stronman...but don't kid yourself, you have no business on a bodybuilding stage.
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I take it english is not your first language
This is for ''insiderxyz''There is always A mutt that acts like a dogg.Listen whats the ''beef ...but this ''insiderxyz'' this board shit but ...Look you have know idea whats up .. or what dragon you might wake UP....
Bro ''WANT SOME'', in jail punks like you when they were tied to the shower and there arm pits were ice picked some of the bad things you see....Think of who you insult and the people you might be messing with.I would really think about these insults or go find whoever you want to beef with and get your faced sliced wide ''OPEN AT BEST''SOUNDS LIKE.MAYBE YOU you need a lesson, and who knows keep on and you might get that wish.NO THREATS INTENDED JUST THOUGHTS PASSED ALONG. ;D
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I spoke to Steve. George is not telling the truth. Steve did not push anybody nor touch him. Why would Steve push George? It’s a felony in New York to push someone, so go ahead. And Steve said ‘Why would I waste my time with you”. All Steve did was go to the show, and stayed to himself. Jeez - some of you guys as just too much.
Yea I trust what he would say. He has numerous times he has started shit at actual NPC and IFBB shows. Now you are saying "no way he would do that I believe him". My god Ron, unless you are joking and you know he did it.
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The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders. There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.
of course there is an argunment, that is if you are Chick or another ifbb puppet
the PDI "dilutes" the talent pool
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market segmentation. monster niching. epic application of marketing schema.
You asked ;D
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The IFBB has a life president. There is no way to remove him from his office. Therefore there is no accountability. This is the problem the IFBB has.
that is because the IFBB is not a federation or even an athletic organization, but a privately held company.
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that is because the IFBB is not a federation or even an athletic organization, but a privately held company.
A privately held non-profit corporation.
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I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.
God Bless, peace out.
Interesting post.
I do not doubt he is tough, but I found it weird he posted a threatening comment to me in another thread, when all I said was why he is using Toney's handle. For one, I hardly think that is some big instigatory comment that I desrved to be threatened for. It was a simple question. Also, since he is so tough and all, I would assume he could pick a more worthy opponent than myself. My massive 5ft 4" 130lb frame is hardly a big challenge to overcome. Granted I once went to a self defence seminar for women, and my nails are pretty long so maybe I could squeeze in a little facial scratch or something, but it would not really take a tough guy to beat me. I would assume most guys could beat me. I might be able to take Chad Mower though :D
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'let me clear this up 'first THE REASON WHY IM USING PRO FREEMANS HANDLE BECAUSE IT IS LOCKED IN MY P.C.That answer that.2nd I don't have a handle because I'm not really on boards except,
To see progress of other Bodybuilders so the ones I choose to consult with,I know what advice and nutrition programs can be made for so they can improve using the proper programs for the person.
These are two programs together.3rd like I said have no beef with anyone but if someone is gonna insult or
Threat I'm gonna bring it right to there face.The handles ''gatrainer AND Gordon gecko have any beef or ,
Whatever I welcome that.. I'm easy to find .I'm not trying to threaten or this or that.''Keeping it real''
The 4th is 'if anyone does not want to compete in the .NP.C or Ifbb no one forces them.I think this is such
Shit..I know ''Weinberger''I doubt he hit anyone..if he did you would still hear it two days later.I also think
it is totally disrespectful to talk about the 'number two guy in the league'.Steve is kool''and a up front guy
''People you gotta respect that.I wasn't at the PDI SHOW so I don't know anything about that.I know if
I'm around and this so called tough guy touches ''Weinberger''all I pray that I'm there that day.THE JERK,
WHO SAYS HE WOULD LIKE TO SMACK STEVE...LOL.LOL now thats funny.I wish you guys would keep it real.I'm also not trying to deter anyone ...from anything either so don't get shit ''twisted''Im saying my peace and responding to bullshit insults and threats.The league is a private owned deal thats right .The way to see it this is there must always be a leader and-J.M is it .Look at all the positive things..don't see
Any ..then go somewhere else,this is a tough sport its not for everyone.Stop winding .Only the very best
Do well in this .Well then get better and be the best or try to beat the best... or just shut the f'-ck up.I'm
Old school 'yea right 'Italian,LATIN-EST'F-CKN CST.I'm coming home to NY...I just suffered a terrible loss.
My sis passed .''YO N.yCBULL''you got go out to long island or jersey for good pizza.Now this is''EAR TO THE GROUND''I know who this is.I never got to say''sorry about your ear.Dogg if you ever need
Or already have a hearing aid or its costing you money,you know how to get hold of me ..send me the bills.
I'm sorry about that whole deal, glad you made it to the hospital in time. TAKE CARE KEEP IT EAST COAST , GOD BLESS MY SIS ...My heart bleeds for you sis ''Rest in Peace''Im out The Trainer.
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'let me clear this up 'first THE REASON WHY IM USING PRO FREEMANS HANDLE BECAUSE IT IS LOCKED IN MY P.C.That answer that.2nd I don't have a handle because I'm not really on boards except,
To see progress of other Bodybuilders so the ones I choose to consult with,I know what advice and nutrition programs can be made for so they can improve using the proper programs for the person.
These are two programs together.3rd like I said have no beef with anyone but if someone is gonna insult or
Threat I'm gonna bring it right to there face.The handles ''gatrainer AND Gordon gecko have any beef or ,
Whatever I welcome that.. I'm easy to find .I'm not trying to threaten or this or that.''Keeping it real''
The 4th is 'if anyone does not want to compete in the .NP.C or Ifbb no one forces them.I think this is such
Shit..I know ''Weinberger''I doubt he hit anyone..if he did you would still hear it two days later.I also think
it is totally disrespectful to talk about the 'number two guy in the league'.Steve is kool''and a up front guy
''People you gotta respect that.I wasn't at the PDI SHOW so I don't know anything about that.I know if
I'm around and this so called tough guy touches ''Weinberger''all I pray that I'm there that day.THE JERK,
WHO SAYS HE WOULD LIKE TO SMACK STEVE...LOL.LOL now thats funny.I wish you guys would keep it real.I'm also not trying to deter anyone ...from anything either so don't get shit ''twisted''Im saying my peace and responding to bullshit insults and threats.The league is a private owned deal thats right .The way to see it this is there must always be a leader and-J.M is it .Look at all the positive things..don't see
Any ..then go somewhere else,this is a tough sport its not for everyone.Stop winding .Only the very best
Do well in this .Well then get better and be the best or try to beat the best... or just shut the f'-ck up.I'm
Old school 'yea right 'Italian,LATIN-EST'F-CKN CST.I'm coming home to NY...I just suffered a terrible loss.
My sis passed .''YO N.yCBULL''you got go out to long island or jersey for good pizza.Now this is''EAR TO THE GROUND''I know who this is.I never got to say''sorry about your ear.Dogg if you ever need
Or already have a hearing aid or its costing you money,you know how to get hold of me ..send me the bills.
I'm sorry about that whole deal, glad you made it to the hospital in time. TAKE CARE KEEP IT EAST COAST , GOD BLESS MY SIS ...My heart bleeds for you sis ''Rest in Peace''Im out The Trainer.
Look at yourself.
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I was waiting to tell you'''F-CK OFF ;D
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Hey bye the way...IF YOU CANT F-CK N HEAR ME I CAN FIX YOUR FUCKING ''EAR AS WELL'' ;) The Trainer
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trainer, tell toney to drop me a line when he's ready for a website
www.FlashRob.com
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'let me clear this up 'first THE REASON WHY IM USING PRO FREEMANS HANDLE BECAUSE IT IS LOCKED IN MY P.C.That answer that.2nd I don't have a handle because I'm not really on boards except,
To see progress of other Bodybuilders so the ones I choose to consult with,I know what advice and nutrition programs can be made for so they can improve using the proper programs for the person.
These are two programs together.3rd like I said have no beef with anyone but if someone is gonna insult or
Threat I'm gonna bring it right to there face.The handles ''gatrainer AND Gordon gecko have any beef or ,
Whatever I welcome that.. I'm easy to find .I'm not trying to threaten or this or that.''Keeping it real''
The 4th is 'if anyone does not want to compete in the .NP.C or Ifbb no one forces them.I think this is such
Shit..I know ''Weinberger''I doubt he hit anyone..if he did you would still hear it two days later.I also think
it is totally disrespectful to talk about the 'number two guy in the league'.Steve is kool''and a up front guy
''People you gotta respect that.I wasn't at the PDI SHOW so I don't know anything about that.I know if
I'm around and this so called tough guy touches ''Weinberger''all I pray that I'm there that day.THE JERK,
WHO SAYS HE WOULD LIKE TO SMACK STEVE...LOL.LOL now thats funny.I wish you guys would keep it real.I'm also not trying to deter anyone ...from anything either so don't get shit ''twisted''Im saying my peace and responding to bullshit insults and threats.The league is a private owned deal thats right .The way to see it this is there must always be a leader and-J.M is it .Look at all the positive things..don't see
Any ..then go somewhere else,this is a tough sport its not for everyone.Stop winding .Only the very best
Do well in this .Well then get better and be the best or try to beat the best... or just shut the f'-ck up.I'm
Old school 'yea right 'Italian,LATIN-EST'F-CKN CST.I'm coming home to NY...I just suffered a terrible loss.
My sis passed .''YO N.yCBULL''you got go out to long island or jersey for good pizza.Now this is''EAR TO THE GROUND''I know who this is.I never got to say''sorry about your ear.Dogg if you ever need
Or already have a hearing aid or its costing you money,you know how to get hold of me ..send me the bills.
I'm sorry about that whole deal, glad you made it to the hospital in time. TAKE CARE KEEP IT EAST COAST , GOD BLESS MY SIS ...My heart bleeds for you sis ''Rest in Peace''Im out The Trainer.
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REALLY WOW,NO WORRIES' SORRY IM NOT GAY AND YOU CANT SUCK MY SACK.. LITTLE girl ''NO WORRIES 'Bro come meet me I will tear your f-cking head right the f-ck off ...just another little bitch.All
Talk,240 What do you think ''I think ''No worries needs his faced side kick in .Then maybe he wants to give
Head.''No worries if thats true I can make your dreams come true. Stop talking shit''lets do this ''little girl''.Beef as I said ready anytime.I will speak my mind and if you like ''split your head wide the f-ck open.
This way I make two points at one time,240 I will pass the message to BG T Freeman,Thanks Bro The Trainer . ;)
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Trainer will you be at the Olympia? If so find Ron and I, we'll get a video interview with you.
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Does Toney know your using his account to MELTDOWN all over this place, man up and quit yer bitchin. If I ever ran into I would smack the shit out of you cause you remind me of a whiney lil ho.
Hope this Helps
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I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.
God Bless, peace out.
Thanks for the "advice".
Now let me get this straight...
A new guy who has contributed nothing else to the board comes online and starts making threats of violence under someone else's handle. Myself and others point out the comical absurdity of this, and now you say I should be scared because this guy is a real-life "connected", wealthy, ex-con toughguy whose father was a wealthy mafioso. I guess he's also bulletproof as well?
I suppose I should now stop commenting on the silliness of this bulletproof clown because he might track me down and jump into his private jet and fly a couple of thousand miles to whack me out, throw my family a beating, and kick my dog. All because I laughed at the silly, juvenile threats of violence he made to users on a internet message board whose posts somehow wounded his delicate psyche. I'm so scared I think I'll just stop posting.
I think it's likely that you and he are the same person, or at least very good friends. Next time you watch "Goodfellas", "Casino", etc., think about how long ago the periods of time those movies were set in were. And think about how many of your Mob heroes ate a bullet at a young age, died in jail, or became "rats". Check out "Junior" Gotti's views on the Mob and his father. My advice would be to find new role models to emulate. The truth is that the mob is nowhere near as powerful or "glamorous" as it was 25 years ago.
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HEY you ''greasy '',ANYTIME ::) BYE THE WAY go f-ck yourself as well.I do what I wanna do,you do what
You gotta do,ask BG T if I can be slaped.Shit Id make you beg me for your life..after I spit the meat from
The side of your f-cking face to the ground.Think about that ,have a nice day ,F-CK FACE.The Trainer
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From another thread. Toney has been deleting some of these lovely posts under his handle. I do wonder why ::)
Sorry Guys, I've removed his post under my name. We are no longer working together I must be still logged on his computer. I've been back home since sept.1 please overlook the... whatever he's saying...peace
Toney Freeman
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Listen ...Stop right there I could care lees about the mob and all this shit you guys said not me.Public info is public info.Im legit leave my dad the f-ck out .He has been passed for sometime.Im defending myself
Towards insults and threats.Im keeping it real.I COULD GIVE A FLYING F-CK.Mob movies what a classic.
Look if any of you have a beef like I said ..then come find me.Guys sorry I dont do interviews ..only with
''M.D. Steve B is kool.I just dont take shit..fuck all the history on this mob shit ..everyone thats ''Itailian
is mob deep.No im just a bad mother f-cker..so again get f-ucked.Keep it ''Thug n''The Trainer. 8)
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Listen ...Stop right there I could care lees about the mob and all this shit you guys said not me.Public info is public info.Im legit leave my dad the f-ck out .He has been passed for sometime.Im defending myself
Towards insults and threats.Im keeping it real.I COULD GIVE A FLYING F-CK.Mob movies what a classic.
Look if any of you have a beef like I said ..then come find me.Guys sorry I dont do interviews ..only with
''M.D. Steve B is kool.I just dont take shit..f**k all the history on this mob shit ..everyone thats ''Itailian
is mob deep.No im just a bad mother f-cker..so again get f-ucked.Keep it ''Thug n''The Trainer. 8)
Glad to see another colorful character join the getbig community.
6pac - Perhaps you could register your thug self so you don't continue to tarnish Toney's name for the newbies who aren't familiar with you using his name.
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Glad to see another colorful character join the getbig community.
6pac - Perhaps you could register your thug self so you don't continue to tarnish Toney's name for the newbies who aren't familiar with you using his name.
Exactly. Personally I find his e-thuggin pretty amusing, but it definitely does not look good for Toney :)
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BLA BLA...l dont look for anyone just come find me and bring some ice for your future broke n jaw.
Im not looking for anything ''attention''...please Im entertaining myself.F-ck n jerk off.What are you doing
Working in a deli....wow awesome job dick face.. ::)Bro get some change out of the register ''take the bus
Then when it gets up to 35 40 jump the f-ck off with your dead life...can you say'' melt dn''. ::)Wow
The deli guy is coming...ahh I needed a good laugh.The only thing that would happen is you probably will,
Get a corned beef on rye stuffed up your tight little ass. ;D
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BLA BLA...l dont look for anyone just come find me and bring some ice for your future broke n jaw.
Im not looking for anything ''attention''...please Im entertaining myself.F-ck n jerk off.What are you doing
Working in a deli....wow awesome job dick face.. ::)Bro get some change out of the register ''take the bus
Then when it gets up to 35 40 jump the f-ck off with your dead life...can you say'' melt dn''. ::)Wow
The deli guy is coming...ahh I needed a good laugh.The only thing that would happen is you probably will,
Get a corned beef on rye stuffed up your tight little ass. ;D
jesus dude, let it go. Get outside enjoy the air, perform a drive by. Just stop posting. Tony already said he isnt working with you and is deleting some of your insane drivel. Move on or at least make your own account and stop hurting his name. Seriously...you mother didnt hug you enough. Also I would like a corned beef on white with mustard. Thanks
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BLA BLA...l dont look for anyone just come find me and bring some ice for your future broke n jaw.
Im not looking for anything ''attention''...please Im entertaining myself.F-ck n jerk off.What are you doing
Working in a deli....wow awesome job dick face.. ::)Bro get some change out of the register ''take the bus
Then when it gets up to 35 40 jump the f-ck off with your dead life...can you say'' melt dn''. ::)Wow
The deli guy is coming...ahh I needed a good laugh.The only thing that would happen is you probably will,
Get a corned beef on rye stuffed up your tight little ass. ;D
hahah i removed my post cause i thought that your dead sister and me owning you would lead you to suicide you roid head nut. Work at a deli ? hahahaha I work for a top law firm in the city doing research, i was telling you were I was going to have my sandwich you putts. hahahah you couldnt afford my gym socks, your just a personal trainer who stole Big Toneys laptop...hahahah have fun meltingdown in your brain, i loved your sister, but the bitch couldnt suck a dick to save her life.... hahahahah she did have a tight lil ass
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Bro could not afford...dude please ..come find me and I wiil put you right next to my sis.I dont take any roids either..you theif lawyer F-uck.Dont worry yes Im cocky and rich..LAWYER..worst then any mob.
Bro you cant get me mad...your just a week ass bitch.I know people are saying boy ..your lucky your not
In front of me ''people who know me'the punishment would be given to you slow.Im gonna ignore you and prey I never see you.Look a pissed public defender /deliworker I would be pissed to.Listen you''shitbag''
Trust me...the cops could come..but to jail a body part of yours comes with me ..be it a ear or whatever.
f-CK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES girl FACE LAWYER /deli worker girl face.HA your upset .See ya f-ck Face.No more questions Im done with this witness ...you can step dn ''bitch'',Thats a wrap.Im out,The Trainer. 8)
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''YO N.yCBULL''you got go out to long island or jersey for good pizza.
yea I know, I have family out in Jersey. I hear Belmont in the Bronx is good for real Italian food too. Just weird, move here from Jersey now I gotta leave the island to get good food. Italians made this city what it is, the foreginers now don't contribute anything, just take. Italians built every building on this island. Wish they never left the city but I guess they wanted to give their kids a better life in the burbs. Not the same though.
Good to have you around the board, we need some original points of view plus it will be fun watchin you slap around a few of these internet nerds.
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You sound ridiculous. But i guess thats overstating the obvious. Have fun in meltdown land! hahahahahah
Jaejowned!!
ps... "The Trainer" - nice way to tell everyone what job you were fired from hahahahahah
Monster Career !!
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Good to have you around the board, we need some original points of view plus it will be fun watchin you slap around a few of these internet nerds.
I've always thought we need more members who threaten to kill other members. Glad someone agrees.
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Some of these interent tough guys arent really as tough as they talk !!
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I've always thought we need more members who threaten to kill other members. Glad someone agrees.
thats right. If you don't like having your life threatened then go to Mayhem.
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Tell em bro keep it ''east coast''I will be back soon with my new handle.Thug Training ..Peace The Trainer. 8)
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Jaejonna..Monster career.AHH lets see 5 pro shows aout of this camp --4 1st pl wins.
The NOC with VIC M ,THE GNC and the Europa with FREEMAN-1ST-PL,AND tHE ARNOLD WITH A FEMALE.IM NOTWITH FREEMAN ''MY CHOICE''I at this time have other projects..read the book.''
Im moving on to other things.We wish him well,and I have the right to say whatever I want as you.
Im planting my flag''RIGHT THE F-CK HERE''.nycbull we must hook up for pizza when im in town.Fired ive
Been retired for the most part since 98.Jajonna I will be fine...its you im worried about..you have twatidess get well soon ,The Trainer.''Thug Training'' 8)
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sounds unintelligible
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Bro could not afford...dude please ..come find me and I wiil put you right next to my sis.I dont take any roids either..you theif lawyer F-uck.Dont worry yes Im cocky and rich..LAWYER..worst then any mob.
Bro you cant get me mad...your just a week ass bitch.I know people are saying boy ..your lucky your not
In front of me ''people who know me'the punishment would be given to you slow.Im gonna ignore you and prey I never see you.Look a pissed public defender /deliworker I would be pissed to.Listen you''shitbag''
Trust me...the cops could come..but to jail a body part of yours comes with me ..be it a ear or whatever.
f-CK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES pussy FACE LAWYER /deli worker pussy face.HA your upset .See ya f-ck Face.No more questions Im done with this witness ...you can step dn ''bitch'',Thats a wrap.Im out,The Trainer. 8)
Oh my another tough guy on the internet. Hey pussy, post a pic f your self so we know how bad you are. Or are you just another internet ball-licker who in reality if about 5'5" 150. Uhhhhhhhhh! I am shutter to think about how hard you can kick my ankles. Hey dork get over it, you are just a pussy who finally got a computer for his birthday. Now get off it cause I hear you mom calling you to go to bed. And by the way.....................
don't bother I found a pic of you at the fair last week.
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It is sad when a "special" person like profreeman comes on here. We are supposed to help people like him not make fun of him. YOu can tell he has a learning disability and is a result of heavy drug use. His tone of voice tells you that he must have just broke up with his boyfriend or whatever. He was surely the "bitch" in jail for most of the nerds in there. He is colorful as LiftStudios put it but I hope we don't mistake being colorful for being retarded. He may have that turets syndrome or something like that. He is defintiely handicapped in some way or just a plain moron. But, then again it sounds like it could be this Weinburger fellow. Either way, he will lose his computer use priviledges when his mommy finds out.
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Jaejonna..Monster career.AHH lets see 5 pro shows aout of this camp --4 1st pl wins.
The NOC with VIC M ,THE GNC and the Europa with FREEMAN-1ST-PL,AND tHE ARNOLD WITH A FEMALE.IM NOTWITH FREEMAN ''MY CHOICE''I at this time have other projects..read the book.''
Im moving on to other things.We wish him well,and I have the right to say whatever I want as you.
Im planting my flag''RIGHT THE F-CK HERE''.nycbull we must hook up for pizza when im in town.Fired ive
Been retired for the most part since 98.Jajonna I will be fine...its you im worried about..you have twatidess get well soon ,The Trainer.''Thug Training'' 8)
From the enscription of letters and words I transplated it to be this:
You take credit for Victor's NOC and GNC , Freemans Europa and some random first place Arnold win in Female BB.... hahaha you sound like an idiot here, i cant wait for pics to surface showing this butt munch in all his glory!! hahah
Retired since 98? You havent been workin for 8 years!! hahahah get a job and give Toney his computer back.
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Ja jonna jerkoff.Listen to me everyone already knows.The ones dont know are ''fans like you.Jerkoff.peaon. ::)The Trainer
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Im freemans trainer
IM NOT WITH FREEMAN ''MY CHOICE''I at this time have other projects..read the book.'' Im moving on to other things.We wish him well
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hahahahahahah
I can crush you if i please!!! Your all over the place, you dont want to be jaejowned mr. tough guy. trust me on this one. Im in the industry, I have an insider edge!! Lets just say I tell the guy who tells the guy who tells the guy to tell chick to say something !!
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'let me clear this up 'first THE REASON WHY IM USING PRO FREEMANS HANDLE BECAUSE IT IS LOCKED IN MY P.C.
No, the reason you're using ProFreeman's handle is because you're a complete moron. See the "logout" button up towards the top of the screen? That's how you "UNLOCK" ;D your P.C. HAHAHA. Once you do that try hitting the "Register" button and creating your highly anticipated "THUG TRAINING" account. I can see them lining up around the corner to work with you. What a mental giant....
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Ja jonna jerkoff.Listen to me everyone already knows.The ones dont know are ''fans like you.Jerkoff.peaon. ::)The Trainer
you should get together with KingNoli and C-swole and have a shit talking contest.
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You take credit for Victor's NOC and GNC
BTW, I was there for both of those shows. Why, because I was visiting a friend by the name of Chris Aceto. You know, the guy who REALLY prepared Victor for both of those shows? THUG TRAINING... lol
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nycbull we must hook up for pizza when im in town.
cool dude.
ya know, these skinny anglos in their Gap tank tops eatin bolonga sandwiches are actually thrilled to be exchangin words with a real thug like you, believe me, they would kill to hang with you.
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Wow Now for sure I'm gonna clear the air.Bro funny last 7 weeks of the ..PREP for N.O.C Bg VIC was
Under my direction 'ask him and Vic Munoz proedge .5weeks out again Vic under my direction''diet and supp direction for the G.N.C I never took credit never asked was happy Vic won and thats what that was about.''ON THE REAL I along with pro edge helped get Vic qualified at the N.Y PRO.BG Steve;s show.
Vic is so tough''the toughest''lost 61 lbs in 6 weeks not the best ..but good enough to 'qualify for MR O.
Then started working with Freeman--26lbs of muscle in 20 or so months another beast.I'm not here to ever
Take credit for anything I have not 'literally busted my ass for the person I'm working with.I don't post
On this site. Only on 'Milo's site''under the myth..I'm not like that when its about credit. I'm so proud of my
Work with the baddest bodybuilders of this day..say what you want .I'm keeping it 1000 percent real.
I have nothing to prove,but that is the truth .I want no credit but the truth is the truth.I luv the sport.
Ive been with the N P C forever and ifbb,like I said wait till you read the book.ASK MILOS. IS HE EVER WRONG.The thing was Vic was on my diet because he stopped listening to Cris at that point...7weeks out.
Kool but thats the balls ass truth..ask ''CHAD himself''The guru knows like him hate him 'Chad knows all.
Milo's 'never wrong... this.The truth shall set yee free having fun learning how to build monsters 1 at a time,Im out peace,The Myth guess who.....The Trainer who is that swishhhhhhh.
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Did you pay membership fees at Vics Gym ? Did you get your money back when the bank renegged its loan and took all the equipment back?
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i was in vic's gym the membership was only 125 at the end