PDI Night of Champions: Steve Weinberger was there

[Picsman]

Talk is cheap and it's sad that grown ass men are online talking about how tough they are and ooo if I see you, you better bring it! Then claim to be above fighting in person. I could give two shits about it as I know if Steve wanted to do something about either one of them he would have.

George knows how I feel about him and I feel bad for the old fart. I'd comment on Rhino but he'd threatened to sue me again. Let's see George and Rhino both threatening me to sue because I comment on what 99.99999999% of the people see is blatant truth.

First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website....

Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me.....

[Gordon_Gekko]

Is this Aponte? The guy who "trains" Tony for no charge, lets him stay at his apartment, cooks all of his meals for him, gives hime pedicures, etc.? I'm surprised that you were able to stop massaging Toney's feet long enough to hop on the keyboard and type those laughable threats. Please tell us that english is your second language.

Ouch!...

If the bad English doesn't tell enough of his lack of intellect, threatening people with violence in a public forum certainly does. Most the contents of his posts are pretty much verbatim quotes from Joe Pesci's character in "Casino". I'm surprised he hasn't bragged about putting people's heads in vises and squeezing their eyeballs out. Freeman should be more careful about letting his "trainer" use his account IMO - no telling who's reading this board.

[Ron]

Steve Weinberger was spoon fed bodybuilding by Wayne Demilia at a very young age. Demilia took Steve every fuckin' place. Steve couldn't judge an apple from an orange but Wayne kept him around . In the early 80s Wayne introuduced Bev Frances who I know is a very nice person to Steve. Steve fell for Bev in a way big  way and they were married. Because Steve was a New York guy and a friend of Waynes, Jim Manion encouraged him to run for the NPC chairman for New York. He began to promote contests successfully on a local level. When Wayne was fired or whatever happened during that period, Weinberger started to run the NY Pro show.

Wayne was Steve’s mentor in the IFBB Pro division. Nothing is wrong with that. Like others who come into the sport, we learn a lot from the ones who have been there longer. Wayne introduced Bev Francis to Steve. That is true. Bev & Steve have a great relationship. Since Steve was in for a while, he became the NPC Chairman of New York. Great! And promoted contests successfully! Great again! Now - unfortunately Wayne and the IFBB and Ben Weider had some issues, and now Wayne is no longer there. Steve, as New York Chairman is still promoting shows, and also now running the NY Pro show. There is nothg wrong with that at all. Now as for being friendly with Wayne, unfortunately, the conflict begs to differ at the moment with them. One day perhaps - they may be friends again.

First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website....  Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me.....

George - your side of the story is up there, as you requested. But bashing Isaac shows you that you really don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t like it because he has an opinion that far differs from you on female bodybuilding and others. That is too bad. But calling him a guy because we try to promote the positiveness of the bodybuilding sport, and you don’t like it. Oh well. Isaac loves the sport of bodybuilding, and takes all sides of an arguement. Bottom line, Isaac will be around for a while in the sport, with the NPC, IFBB, and all things bodybuilders, and both of us try to be at many shows and expos. We enjoy the sport - have fun at the expo. But do you. Why go to the shows if all you do is complain, yell and scream. Come on now...

As for your family and income. Excellent. Kudos for you for having a good jobs, pets, a rocking chair, and most important, a family that loves you! That is a sense of balance. But talk about falling apart. Not cool. We had our words and hopefully we can debate with respect. But don’t bash Isaac. Because then it shows you dont know anything.

[Lift Studios]

First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website....

Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me.....

I thought you were posting you last post earlier?

I mentioned Lonnie Tepper was at the table because you were arguing with him and told him he went down a notch in your respect for him, or don't you recall that part?

Yes, I'm just a young whipper snapper that's full of piss and vinegar. At least you give me perspective that if I'm ever 1/2 as bitter as you it's time to move on to something else in life.

[onlyme]

Wayne was Steve’s mentor in the IFBB Pro division. Nothing is wrong with that. Like others who come into the sport, we learn a lot from the ones who have been there longer. Wayne introduced Bev Francis to Steve. That is true. Bev & Steve have a great relationship. Since Steve was in for a while, he became the NPC Chairman of New York. Great! And promoted contests successfully! Great again! Now - unfortunately Wayne and the IFBB and Ben Weider had some issues, and now Wayne is no longer there. Steve, as New York Chairman is still promoting shows, and also now running the NY Pro show. There is nothg wrong with that at all. Now as for being friendly with Wayne, unfortunately, the conflict begs to differ at the moment with them. One day perhaps - they may be friends again.

 

George - your side of the story is up there, as you requested. But bashing Isaac shows you that you really don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t like it because he has an opinion that far differs from you on female bodybuilding and others. That is too bad. But calling him a guy because we try to promote the positiveness of the bodybuilding sport, and you don’t like it. Oh well. Isaac loves the sport of bodybuilding, and takes all sides of an arguement. Bottom line, Isaac will be around for a while in the sport, with the NPC, IFBB, and all things bodybuilders, and both of us try to be at many shows and expos. We enjoy the sport - have fun at the expo. But do you. Why go to the shows if all you do is complain, yell and scream. Come on now...

As for your family and income. Excellent. Kudos for you for having a good jobs, pets, a rocking chair, and most important, a family that loves you! That is a sense of balance. But talk about falling apart. Not cool. We had our words and hopefully we can debate with respect. But don’t bash Isaac. Because then it shows you dont know anything.

Ron, you have Issac wrong.  He does not love Bodybuilding or he would have been on here promoting the NOC and Wayne instead of trying to put it down, which failed miserably.  He loves the IFBB and Weiders. He IS A guy and everyone on here sees it plain as day.  He bashes with the best of them.  So if he can't take it he should leave.

[Lift Studios]

Ron, you have Issac wrong.  He does not love Bodybuilding or he would have been on here promoting the NOC and Wayne instead of trying to put it down, which failed miserably.  He loves the IFBB and Weiders. He IS A guy and everyone on here sees it plain as day.  He bashes with the best of them.  So if he can't take it he should leave.

Talk about him like he's not here Keith.

I have never waivered where my loyalty is and that's the IFBB. Call me a nut hugger, a puppet whatever. Call me stupid for being loyal to the best bodybuilding organization out there. Everyone likes to see those at the top fail, the IFBB is no different. You must not love bodybuilding at all because of all the shit you talk about the IFBB if that's the logic you are going with.

You have the biggest hardon for Shawn Ray and tried to undermine the Colorado Pro Show. You talked out of your ass for months on it and tried to see if fail, simply because of your hate for Shawn.

Don't you have some Tshirts to hunt down?

[JKDMan]

First off...talk is very cheap....and....I don't give 2 shits about what you feel....and the reality of what 99.9% of the people here and elsewhere see and think is that you're an assclown....you talk about shit that you know nothing about.....you drop names....who really gives a shit about you having dinner with Lonnie Tepper?...and you're one of the biggest nuthuggers in the history of bb. NOW THAT'S THE BLATANT TRUTH!....and you know what....you keep on calling me an old fart...that's ok....just know that you're a young punk....who's trying to be someone he isn't and will never be .......Me?...I've had a pretty full life....SEVERAL REAL good jobs.....a six figure income$$$.....a family of my own complete with a college boy who boasts a 3.8 avg....my PRIDE AND JOY....and even pets....especially an addopted one that can be seen on the way to the gallery section of my website....

Yes Hinds, I can sit on my porch in my rocking chair in my old age and tell great stories....while you on the other hand will only be able to recall the volume of nuts you've hugged in your life....now that's pretty pathetic if you ask me.....

D'oh! 

[CQ]

I rather like Picsman/George's posting style

Guy practically melts down on every post

[onlyme]

Talk about him like he's not here Keith.

I have never waivered where my loyalty is and that's the IFBB. Call me a nut hugger, a puppet whatever. Call me stupid for being loyal to the best bodybuilding organization out there. Everyone likes to see those at the top fail, the IFBB is no different. You must not love bodybuilding at all because of all the shit you talk about the IFBB if that's the logic you are going with.

You have the biggest hardon for Shawn Ray and tried to undermine the Colorado Pro Show. You talked out of your ass for months on it and tried to see if fail, simply because of your hate for Shawn.

Don't you have some Tshirts to hunt down?

I am pretty sure I have over the past several years proved that I must like Bodybuilding.  Cause I have well over $250,000 promoting it.  That doesn't include the thousands of hours working on either my shows or others.  BB is great.  The IFBB is what sucks.  They are the worse organization there is when it comes to equality and caring about there members.  there is not many people that would or could argue that. 

SUre the IFBB has been the best, cause till now they have been the only.  It is easy to be the best when you are the only one.  duhhhhhhh. And till now the IFBB has been able to do anything they want.  Well now the times have changed.  The PDI if anything is going to change BB.  It's that simple.  They already have made a change.  For more than 40 years the IFBB has been the only real BB organization to put on a pro show and give away money.  Well the PDI just had a successful show and gave away allot of money.  And in the future the prize money is going to go up very fast. 

I hate the IFBB because of the way they treat their members.  It's that simple.  They use and abuse with no compensation whatesoever.  Their main objective is to advance Bodybuilding for their own purposes not the members.  Whatever they do topromote the sport is for themselves not the BB's themselves. And if you don't see this then you are as blind as Chic and the others.  Lee is the only one who has the eyes to see this.  He is the only BB out there with the balls and the means to take a chance to see if it is better on the other side.  He took that chance and it paid off.  And it is going to pay off even more in the future.  What you and the other IFBB schmoes need to realize is that the PDI is here and here to stay. 

Major sponsors ARE coming on board and prize money is going to rival any of the IFBB shows in a relatively short time.  The experinces the PDI guys will be way more vast and financially rewarding than they would ever experince in the IFBB. 

And we found the shirts.  I will have them available on my website www.musclemafia.com hopefully by the weekend.

Oh by the way, you are STUPID, you are loyal to the worst and most corrupt BB organization out there.  That might be why people tend not to like you much.  It is called guilt by association.  If you were more open and supprted BB and not just the IFBB then you would probably be alright.

[Lift Studios]

I am pretty sure I have over the past several years proved that I must like Bodybuilding.  Cause I have well over $250,000 promoting it.  That doesn't include the thousands of hours working on either my shows or others.  BB is great.  The IFBB is what sucks.  They are the worse organization there is when it comes to equality and caring about there members.  there is not many people that would or could argue that.  SUre the IFBB has been the best, cause till now they have been the only.  It is easy to be the best when you are the only one.  duhhhhhhh. And till now the IFBB has been able to do anything they want.  Well now the times have changed.  The PDI if anything is going to change BB.  It's that simple.  They already have made a change.  For more than 40 years the IFBB has been the only real BB organization to put on a pro show and give away money.  Well the PDI just had a successful show and gave away allot of money.  And in the future the prize money is going to go up very fast.  I hate the IFBB because of the way they treat their members.  It's that simple.  They use and abuse with no compensation whatesoever.  Their main objective is to advance Bodybuilding for their own purposes not the members.  Whatever they do topromote the sport is for themselves not the BB's themselves. And if you don't see this then you are as blind as Chic and the others.  Lee is the only one who has the eyes to see this.  He is the only BB out there with the balls and the means to take a chance to see if it is better on the other side.  He took that chance and it paid off.  And it is going to pay off even more in the future.  What you and the other IFBB schmoes need to realize is that the PDI is here and here to stay.  Major sponsors ARE coming on board andprize money is going to rival any of the IFBB shows in a relatively short time.  The experinces the PDI guys will be way more vast and financially rewarding than they would ever experince in the IFBB. 

And we found the shirts.  I will have them available on my website www.musclemafia.com hopefully by the weekend.

I too support bodybuilding with my dollars by going to shows, sponsoring shows, working backstage at shows, donating design and web site hours to shows. I think the NPC and IFBB have a better product and even your beloved Wayne claims it is no competition for the IFBB.

You said all the same things before the show. "Sell out crowd" "bigger and better web site" then anything the IFBB has ever done, "BIG TIME sponsors" coming on board.  blah blah blah

At least one thing is clear; You, George and Jack all have a deep hatred for the IFBB/NPC. Funny how you are the loudest three stooges claiming victory and bashing the IFBB at every turn; while the rest of the world is still wondering what the f**k a leprechaun is doing on stage at a bodybuilding show.

 

[onlyme]

I too support bodybuilding with my dollars by going to shows, sponsoring shows, working backstage at shows, donating design and web site hours to shows. I think the NPC and IFBB have a better product and even your beloved Wayne claims it is no competition for the IFBB.

You said all the same things before the show. "Sell out crowd" "bigger and better web site" then anything the IFBB has ever done, "BIG TIME sponsors" coming on board.  blah blah blah

At least one thing is clear; You, George and Jack all have a deep hatred for the IFBB/NPC. Funny how you are the loudest three stooges claiming victory and bashing the IFBB at every turn; while the rest of the world is still wondering what the f**k a leprechaun is doing on stage at a bodybuilding show.

 

It sure is funny how you don't mention how everything you have said about the PDI and NOC was wrong.  Issac truly you really need to open your eyes.  themore you talk and support the IFBB the more stupid you look.  The IFBB has nearly 40 years of ripping off their members.  Do not see that.  Are you seriously that blind and stupid.

DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind.  Answer that question.  Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation.  Answer that question.  DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice.  Answer that question.  Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair.  Answer that question.

[nycbull]

DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind.  Answer that question.  Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation.  Answer that question.  DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice.  Answer that question.  Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair.  Answer that question.

These are important questions. Everyone that claims to care about the sport and the athletes should show us all some respect and answer these questions truthfully.

[dorkeroo]

Ive been to jail and unless your a nonce(paedophile), a grass, wife beater, old woman mugger, or just a prick no one at all will f**k with you, i laugh when people always try and make it out to be worse than it is and that you get bummed every night or something, lol what a load of bollocks.

Stop trying to act tough on an internet message board theres NOTHING you can say to silence people so get over it.

Stop it, someone using Freeman's handle is trying to scare us. Let's see what else he can come up with.

[Yorkie T]

Stop it, someone using Freeman's handle is trying to scare us. Let's see what else he can come up with.

Isnt it funny when people try and scare people into shutting up, it just makes people do it more and makes them even more frustrated, like the guy who posted his phone number  that shit was hilarious.

[nycbull]

DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind.  Answer that question.  Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation.  Answer that question.  DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice.  Answer that question.  Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair.  Answer that question.

have these questions been answered yet?,  maybe he PM'ed you?

[Lift Studios]

It sure is funny how you don't mention how everything you have said about the PDI and NOC was wrong.  Issac truly you really need to open your eyes.  themore you talk and support the IFBB the more stupid you look.  The IFBB has nearly 40 years of ripping off their members.  Do not see that.  Are you seriously that blind and stupid.

 Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair.  Answer that question.

What did I say about the PDI that was wrong? I didn't say they wouldn't have a show. I pointed out facts like the qualifiers being cancelled. Note QUALIFIERS. You came back with some lame ass excuse on why that was. I pointed out you were boasting about them having a world class website - yet there still isn't anything up. That's smart marketing there, new organization and no web site. Good job of marketing in 2006. There was supposed to be a PDI radio station - that never happened. The show was supposed to be about symmetry and the physiques of the classic days. That show was a far cry from that. Tons of sponsors were supposed to be coming on board and we'd all eat our words. None of that happened. SELL OUT CROWD yet we all know that wasn't the case. So I ask you what of the above is false?

DO you honestly think the IFBB has the members best interest in mind.  Answer that question.

Yes, I will refer to Chic to point out what they've done to continue to improve.  The IFBB has some old school ways but I do believe they are changing and with people who are positive and willing to work with them, they are responsive. It's clowns like you that just say they suck repeatedly that does nothing to help the member's cause. The competitors piss and moan but don't do anything to help change it. They need to work with Chic to help get things changed if they don't think they are being treated fairly.

Do you think the IFBB is giving the members what they deserve in terms of support and monetary compensation.  Answer that question.

No but it continues to improve. I'm not a member of the IFBB and neither are you. That's why the members should be more supportive of Bob because he does have their best interest in mind to help on things like this. Many of these people think just because they are IFBB pros they should be paid large sums of money. That's not the case with most of them. Just because you're a pro doesn't mean jack shit in the long run if you don't prove your  worth.

DO you think what they are doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground, fair practice.  Answer that question.

What are they doing to try and prevent the PDI from getting off the ground? The PDI seems to do a good job on their own of preventing it from getting off the ground. Numerous press releases announcing health care at a mental hospital. Promised contracts and guest posings around the world. Tshirts not showing up. Village people on stage. Cancelling their qualifying shows. Having a guy who still owes IFBB pros money signed up to promote your PDI shows. The list goes on. You are quick to point out anything about the IFBB but look in the PDI mirror and tell us what you see.

Do you think the way the IFBB controls how their members can lead their lives and earn a living is fair.  Answer that question.

I agree with the not competing in other organizations, to me that is fair. I don't agree with not allowing them to be at seminars, guest posings, expos, etc. that aren't IFBB related. To me it would be smart to have them there, they'd have more people know about the best organization there is to compete in and the competitors would make more money.

Any more questions for me Keith?

[christinafitness]

I think it's great that Steve Weinberger was there. Bodybuilding is Bodybuilding.
I would love to see Wayne go to the NY Pro Show and Jim Manyon go to the NABBA Universe. If it's promoted the right way there is room for several federations that lift bodybuilding as a sport.
I hope they all go to the Asian Games in Qatar in December, where every amateur weight class winner gets US$ 500,000.00

[profreeman]

Perfect someone sees it for what it is..Thank God.The Trainer.

[nycbull]

The show was supposed to be about symmetry and the physiques of the classic days.

It was,were you there? Frey, Haddad, Voros, Sinton all had exemplary classic golden age physiques. I hope none of them play into the IFBB size game, they would ruin their bodies and health.

The IFBB has some old school ways

Yes IFBB created and enforced old school ways. Glad you admit it.

No

Enough said. The IFBB has been in existence for how many years and still the answer is "No"    c'mon dude, how much more time do they need?

Just because you're a pro doesn't mean jack shit in the long run if you don't prove your  worth.

Is that some of the IFBB Old School sentiment you were referring too?

The PDI seems to do a good job on their own of preventing it from getting off the ground.

Good job at skirting the question.

I don't agree with not allowing them to be at seminars, guest posings, expos, etc. that aren't IFBB related.

Absolutely, now your talking.

[Moen]

Jesus dont you guys ever get tired of this ? And I mean the competing guys, not the ones who make this 'type' of discussion a new internet sport.

Just do your contest and let others do theirs, why comment or attack on everything ?

Seem like all stereotypes are true after all

[nycbull]

Jesus dont you guys ever get tired of this ? And I mean the competing guys, not the ones who make this 'type' of discussion a new internet sport.

Just do your contest and let others do theirs, why comment or attack on everything ?

Seem like all stereotypes are true after all

Wrong newbie, there is an organized attempt to strongarm anyone who tries to create new avenues for pro bodybuiders to make money.
There is no "live and let live" attitude from the old dogs in power. Their teeth are exposed and they are ready to attack.

The competitors and fans are having an open, educated and honest discourse (however crude it may be) in hopes to bring a better day for bodybuilding.  It is actually quite honorable.

The behavior here actually dispells the stereotype, so you have it wrong my friend.

[toolarge4u]

Riding YOUR coat tails?? lolololololol.......

Excuse me, but I think I've been around just a little longer than you, bro...

BTW...don't kid yourself...I'm not that guy that says one thing and then acts differently in person. You can ask Titus about when I confronted him at the USA's in front of 20 people.


I will, however, do something for you that apparently none of your "friends" were willing to do...tell you the truth.

You are not built for bodybuilding...and certainly not Pro BB. Go into powerlifting, pro wrestling, or into the circus as a stronman...but don't kid yourself, you have no business on a bodybuilding stage.

I'm sure you're a nice guy and all (bullshit on the boards aside)...but you need to realize that not everyone is made for the stage, and you're one of those guys...it wasn't the "carb up", you didn't go "flat", you didn't "mis-time your peak", etc....

If you really want an honest answer...ask your buddy Jimmy Mentis (since you brought him up)...ask him for the TRUTH. He'll tell you the same thing.

oh the irony LOL

[lonewolf]

Wrong newbie, there is an organized attempt to strongarm anyone who tries to create new avenues for pro bodybuiders to make money.
There is no "live and let live" attitude from the old dogs in power. Their teeth are exposed and they are ready to attack.

The competitors and fans are having an open, educated and honest discourse (however crude it may be) in hopes to bring a better day for bodybuilding.  It is actually quite honorable.

The behavior here actually dispells the stereotype, so you have it wrong my friend.

Great post and you have stated the absolute truth in regards to the strong arm tactics being used to discourage competitors and sponsors in free trade. I think when sponsors realize that The IFBB owes them ,things will change.

[John Romano]

The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders.  There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.

[HRDCOR]

The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders.  There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.                               

TRUE DAT BRO !!