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Title: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: galeniko on December 25, 2012, 08:05:09 AM
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Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 08:36:14 AM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.

maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less
Ya I am with you on this one and even all these bodybuilders doing fast paced walk, thinking that if they jog they will lose muscle, such horse shit. It's called lazyness. I jog at 6.5 when I do cardio. A light jog but at least I am not huffing and puffing going up a set of stairs.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: affeman on December 25, 2012, 08:38:30 AM
High intensity cardio burns muscle mass, low intensity burns bodyfat.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
High intensity cardio burns muscle mass, low intensity burns bodyfat.

Hope this helps.
bro science, when you are on 5 grams and gh you can sprint for 2 hours a day and you are not losing any muscle


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:46:15 AM
bro science, when you are on 5 grams and gh you can sprint for 2 hours a day and you are not losing any muscle

All drugs and sprinting


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: affeman on December 25, 2012, 08:46:20 AM
bro science, when you are on 5 grams and gh you can sprint for 2 hours a day and you are not losing any muscle

When you're on 5 grams and gh and you sprint for 100 meters you'll get a heart attack.

Maybe another reason for BB to prefer low intenisty cardio.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 08:49:37 AM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.

maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less
Good post .. i will take you for a jog  ;D with a bit of weight.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: el numero uno on December 25, 2012, 08:50:38 AM
bro science, when you are on 5 grams and gh you can sprint for 2 hours a day and you are not losing any muscle

And when you're not?  ???


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Shockwave on December 25, 2012, 08:54:10 AM
And when you're not?  ???
You get skinny.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 08:55:38 AM
And when you're not?  ???
then you might be overtraining your quads, nothing more.

When you're on 5 grams and gh and you sprint for 100 meters you'll get a heart attack.

Maybe another reason for BB to prefer low intenisty cardio.
lmao, true. ;D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 25, 2012, 09:24:10 AM
High intensity cardio burns muscle mass, low intensity burns bodyfat.

Hope this helps.

I think you have that backwards.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 09:34:43 AM
I think you have that backwards.
Please elaborate ....


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 25, 2012, 10:03:03 AM
tbfh

 - eat every 3 hours
 - slow paced treadmill after workout
 - 20g of bcaa before, during and after cardio and every workout  ::)

etc.

it's all utter horseshit. just pump the muscles and then run, jog, play sports, have fun and don't think about eating like some fucking bullimic moron. results will be same or maybe better because you will be actually motivated to do that.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 25, 2012, 10:14:51 AM
I agree. Higher intensity (not max'd out or anything) is better than low intensity, all things being equal.

But the reason I do low intensity is to take it easy on my joints. Especially knees and hips, which are totally fucked from playing football my whole life. I guess if I hadn't, I could run now. But, I played football. I made my choice. Now I pay for it.

Also, I never get below 225, and have gone as high as 275. Running at that weight is never a healthy thing once you're in your 30's. You're just asking for a blown achilles or some knee cartilage fuck ups.

But if I wasn't a bag of arthritis, damn right I'd be running. I loved sprinting and running when I could do it as a young man with pads and helmet on. You felt like a machine capable of crushing anything. Awesome feeling. I miss it.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 10:14:59 AM
i hope youre not serious, i do cardio as intense as possible, always near gassing out, never lost any mscle
when we meet i will show you cardio.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: a_ahmed on December 25, 2012, 10:21:36 AM
I can sprint like hell however... i try to do lower-medium intensity just cuz of knees/ankles..


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 10:27:44 AM
Me and Galeniko are great friends. I love the guy.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 25, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
Please elaborate ....

I can break it down more later, but I like using the comparison of the marathon runner and the sprinter. Who carries the most muscle and has the least amount of fat? Of course, it's the sprinter.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
I can break it down more later, but I like using the comparison of the marathon runner and the sprinter. Who carries the most muscle and has the least amount of fat? Of course, it's the sprinter.
Oh, I see, got you, indeed, you are right.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Purple Aki on December 25, 2012, 10:45:57 AM
im even a smoker,haha, but the sheer will drives me to good cardio feats.

 ;D


do you knwo victoria park in london?

i ran around that every single morning when i was there 8)

Some of the best runners i know are smokers. I find when I'm smoking regularly it only seems to effect my initial performance and once I get going my breathing is fine.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Alex23 on December 25, 2012, 10:49:45 AM
snx,man, no way youre all muscle when 275, no need to go that heavy.im seldom below 220 myself.

used to bulk up to similiar weight like you, its pointless.

maybe to you but snx is a real bodybuilder.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 11:13:48 AM
yes, its very easy, to get cut:

starve, learn starving and learn how to deal with it, theres ways to make it somewhat comfortable.

move around alot.

train hard

rest

eat enough protein

dont forget the steroids

and no, no slowly getting into diet, just crash, when on gear itll work.
^^^amen brother


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: dj181 on December 25, 2012, 11:19:43 AM
it's relatively easy to get to 8%

but getting to 6% is a whole different story


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
merry xmas, hermano :D
Merry Christmas and what gift you just gave getbig, instructions on how to get shredded in one post and yes as simple as that. Even 6%  :)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: usmcdevildoc on December 25, 2012, 11:41:03 AM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk

through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.
maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less

Use to think that too. Cardio=trying to see whether your EF improves. Funny the 70 year old may be at a slow pace, but check his incline! Inclines of 10 or greater are more cardio friendly and consume less calories but have greater cardiogenic effect than walking at the same pace with a zero incline. It's simple: at a faster pace you burn more calories but it may be less cardio-friendly.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
 


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: che on December 25, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
yes, its very easy, to get cut:

starve, learn starving and learn how to deal with it, theres ways to make it somewhat comfortable.

move around alot.

train hard

rest

eat enough protein

dont forget the steroids

and no, no slowly getting into diet, just crash, when on gear itll work.

I disagree


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 12:05:04 PM
I disagree
What exactly do you disagree with? hermano, yo soy de Costa Rica  ;)

Feliz Navidad  8)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 25, 2012, 12:06:55 PM
Anybody still confused about cardio needs to open a biochemistry book and read up on "respiratory quotient" and "energy systems/pathways."

There is inarguable proven researched literature on which cardio you should use to reach your goals (Purely lipolysis, or endurance, etc.)  But the answer is inside boring grad school textbooks, not Flex Magazine.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: che on December 25, 2012, 12:24:25 PM

 Q
What exactly do you disagree with? hermano, yo soy de Costa Rica  ;)

Feliz Navidad  8)
Feliz Navidad stud, I disagree with the starvation part, the drug part and the moving around part.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: a_ahmed on December 25, 2012, 12:26:19 PM
Hey one time i was wondering i am assuming you go for one hour at 6.5? Or? Do you do incline? Whenever I do treadmill i never do 0.0, I start at 3.5 to warm up then go up to 5.0 then keep increasing until i get to 10.0, used to do 12-15 but it just kills the knees.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 12:29:12 PM
QFeliz Navidad stud, I disagree with the starvation part, the drug part and the moving around part.
Oh I see, but the starvation part is not exactly starving yourself, he means no carbs by "starvation" cause let's face it, starvation and no carbs are almost the same, lol. The drug part is of course a personal choice, obviously it is not the only way but an easier way. Don't forget although you are natural and have a good physique you also have good genetics, the average person has shit genetics. To each their own  ;)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 25, 2012, 12:34:14 PM
Hey one time i was wondering i am assuming you go for one hour at 6.5? Or? Do you do incline? Whenever I do treadmill i never do 0.0, I start at 3.5 to warm up then go up to 5.0 then keep increasing until i get to 10.0, used to do 12-15 but it just kills the knees.
No, I only do a 3 mile run 3 times a week, nothing more, keep the tread mill flat, roughly half hour and I don't do it to burn fat although it is a bonus but rather to keep good air in my lungs cause I hate being over 250lb and not being able to breath.

Honestly about the knees, shoes make a huge difference, asics are king of running shoes. Will not run without them, just switching shoes for 1 run gets my knees sore.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: a_ahmed on December 25, 2012, 12:37:21 PM
What are asics? I need some running shoes.. I am on the market for some for sure... I am using my driving shoes which are OK for running but I am sure I could use something new...


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 12:48:29 PM
No, I only do a 3 mile run 3 times a week, nothing more, keep the tread mill flat, roughly half hour and I don't do it to burn fat although it is a bonus but rather to keep good air in my lungs cause I hate being over 250lb and not being able to breath.

Honestly about the knees, shoes make a huge difference, asics are king of running shoes. Will not run without them, just switching shoes for 1 run gets my knees sore.
asics are Great


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: che on December 25, 2012, 12:56:20 PM
Oh I see, but the starvation part is not exactly starving yourself, he means no carbs by "starvation" cause let's face it, starvation and no carbs are almost the same, lol. The drug part is of course a personal choice, obviously it is not the only way but an easier way. Don't forget although you are natural and have a good physique you also have good genetics, the average person has shit genetics. To each their own  ;)

 I never go zero  carb , I  believe in carb cycling (3-1, 4-1 ,5-1).


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 25, 2012, 12:56:50 PM
I have lost heaps of weight without cardio, i just do weights and cut out bread, anything with flour and fizzy drinks, i use to eat sushi, but cut that out. I drink cinnamon tea in the morning, afternoon at night, great for supressing the appetite and can still sleep well, no drugs needed.

I used to run on the treadmill daily, i did lose weight doing that, but realised if i just managed my calories i could save the cardio and think smart. Running for a hour will burn off one mars bar, just dont eat the mars bar.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Purple Aki on December 25, 2012, 12:59:32 PM
What are asics? I need some running shoes.. I am on the market for some for sure... I am using my driving shoes which are OK for running but I am sure I could use something new...

Go to a proper running shop. They will analyse your gait and recommend you a pair of shoes which suit how you run.

It will save you lots of aches and niggles in the long run.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 01:09:48 PM
Go to a proper running shop. They will analyse your gait and recommend you a pair of shoes which suit how you run.

It will save you lots of aches and niggles in the long run.
you know what half the muscle boys on this thread would not pass a BFT changed since my time 3 miles..1.5 squaded run and 1.5 best effort in 11 mins..in red pt vest and lightweights and boots


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 01:11:38 PM
fucking bollock running shoes we run in boots


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 25, 2012, 01:12:50 PM
What are asics? I need some running shoes.. I am on the market for some for sure... I am using my driving shoes which are OK for running but I am sure I could use something new...

(http://gadget123.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Asics-Gel-Kayano-19-2.jpg)

Trust me on this, best runners ever, you feel no impact at all, when i use to run heaps these were the shoes of choice. Kayanos 18 and now 19


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Purple Aki on December 25, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
you know what half the muscle boys on this thread would not pass a BFT

Mate, a lot of people at my unit cant pass a pfa.

We have people who've been on remedials for months and there are seniors that have been downgraded for most of their careers. Fucking creatures.

Quote
changed since my time 3 miles..1.5 squaded run and 1.5 best effort in 11 mins..in red pt vest and lightweights and boots

It's a very different army now. We had a battle PT session canceled because it was too windy, lol. :-\


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 01:22:47 PM
Mate, a lot of people at my unit cant pass a pfa.

We have people who've been on remedials for months and there are seniors that have been downgraded for most of their careers. Fucking creatures.

It's a very different army now. We had a battle PT session canceled because it was too windy, lol. :-\
  ??? i remember guys getting punched  for being unfit.. fuck me  ::) not saying it was correct but it was harsher discipline. i was in 1985 till 1995.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 01:30:06 PM
Basic training beatings were normal. I went straight to BAOR was us The Americans and Dutch.. the Germans you could forget fucking wankers..  shit like "stark"  (BAOR..British Army of the RHEINE)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: a_ahmed on December 25, 2012, 01:32:22 PM
(http://gadget123.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Asics-Gel-Kayano-19-2.jpg)

Trust me on this, best runners ever, you feel no impact at all, when i use to run heaps these were the shoes of choice. Kayanos 18 and now 19

Thanks for sharing bro. Will try to find them locally.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Purple Aki on December 25, 2012, 01:34:53 PM
  ??? i remember guys getting punched  for being unfit.. fuck me  ::) not saying it was correct but it was harsher discipline. i was in 1985 till 1995.

They'd bounce you if you so much as threatened some fatty these days.

You get the piss taken out of you for doing extra phys in your own time. The majority would rather hide in the block playing xbox and scranning domino's pizza.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 01:40:22 PM
They'd bounce you if you so much as threatened some fatty these days.

You get the piss taken out of you for doing extra phys in your own time. The majority would rather hide in the block playing xbox and scranning domino's pizza.
yes ok its diffrent now .. i mean we never had all that stuff..so we just got drunk  ;D got into trouble..maybe thats why it was harsher and when i did training there were a lot of old school guys.. but you boys got to do tours too so no disrespect ;)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
anyway i like my Bro  Galeniko so me and him will hit the whores here in Germany  ;D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Marty Champions on December 25, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
(http://gadget123.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Asics-Gel-Kayano-19-2.jpg) lol pathetic shoes like this only hold up on sub 180 pound twinks try running in timberland boots, double up on your socks for coushin


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 25, 2012, 01:58:17 PM
Thanks for sharing bro. Will try to find them locally.

kayanos 18's are cheaper but just as effective, but johhny falcon is right, running is so much better Otomix boots, i mean have a waist like yates is a dream come true.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 25, 2012, 02:48:19 PM
maybe to you but snx is a real bodybuilder.

Hahaa...it's ok King Alex. Gal is good peeps, despite his surly disposition!

Gal: I never said I was natural, my friend. I'll let you imagine what's possible when liberties are taken with hormonas.

But to answer your question: no, 275 is not solid. But I'm not over 20% at that weight, though am usually holding a lake's worth of water. Not pretty to look at, but then, I never was. I get by on my skillz in the boardroom, thank goodness.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on December 25, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
my point is this slow treadmill walking is an utter joke, same results while walking around in the city, shopping.

even more calories burnt, night out clubbing.


ppl eat loads protein, take all hormones in the book and think if they overdo cardio theyll lose muscle.hahaha.yeah right.

whats to say about people who bodybuild and work hard on construction sites?



I agree with you but, A lot of those guys are borderline type II diabetics. So just getting up and moving is going to have a positive effect on their disease. Once the limbs start going numb, they gotta get that blood circulating.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Hulkotron on December 25, 2012, 05:17:02 PM
High intensity cardio burns muscle mass, low intensity burns bodyfat.

Hope this helps.

This is horse manure.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 25, 2012, 09:19:50 PM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.

maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less

Doing something is preferable to doing nothing. If you lived where I live, you'd understand why someone might chose to get on a treadmill or stationary bicycle over taking a walk or bike ride through town. Walking or riding a bicycle in the pouring rain gets really old. You are right that diet combined with exercise is the way to go.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Nicademus on December 26, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
yes, its very easy, to get cut:

starve, learn starving and learn how to deal with it, theres ways to make it somewhat comfortable.

move around alot.

train hard

rest

eat enough protein

dont forget the steroids

and no, no slowly getting into diet, just crash, when on gear itll work.



How many total calories are you talking roughly? 


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: freespirit on December 26, 2012, 11:31:39 AM
What are asics? I need some running shoes.. I am on the market for some for sure... I am using my driving shoes which are OK for running but I am sure I could use something new...

Have these at the moment. Nice shoes to run in if you are into natural running.

(http://images.freshnessmag.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/03/nike-free-run-3-id-saint-patrics-day-sxsw-01.jpg)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 26, 2012, 11:38:49 AM
I have puma myself...but asics are great.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 26, 2012, 11:47:02 AM
Quick sprints are best.  Just compare sprinters to runners.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: dj181 on December 26, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
Quick sprints are best.  Just compare sprinters to runners.

yep


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Overload on December 26, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
I always did HIT cardio like sprints for 20 minutes a few days a week.

These days i like to do something intersting like muay thai or mountain biking.

Jogging on a treadmill or using a stationary bike is not something i would even consider these days.


8)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 26, 2012, 12:14:47 PM
if one can stand through it, 1500cals.

its terrible, but works.

What about metabolic damage? And how many calories do you take after that, how fast do you increase your caloric intake?

By the way, 1500kcal is just not only protein, how many fats and carbs?

If my goal would be get lean and stay strong, like 10% bf, how many carbs on training days would you take?

By the way, you've mentioned that you were strongest while beaning most lean coz of drugs - were you starving and still getting stronger? Did you take a lot of tren? :D That's the only drug that would make it possible, at least for me.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: 240 is Back on December 26, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
ronnie did low intensity cardio for 60 minutes, and was the second-greatest Bber ever (aside from phil heath).

low intensity works!


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 26, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
Like someone said.  Just get off the couch and do something.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Nicademus on December 26, 2012, 12:38:52 PM
What about metabolic damage? And how many calories do you take after that, how fast do you increase your caloric intake?

By the way, 1500kcal is just not only protein, how many fats and carbs?

If my goal would be get lean and stay strong, like 10% bf, how many carbs on training days would you take?

By the way, you've mentioned that you were strongest while beaning most lean coz of drugs - were you starving and still getting stronger? Did you take a lot of tren? :D That's the only drug that would make it possible, at least for me.

Those are good questions.  I'd like to hear your thoughts as well.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 26, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
Like someone said.  Just get off the couch and do something.
yes just move...where did you get that pic on your profile ...iike it...freaky


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 26, 2012, 01:16:07 PM
What about metabolic damage? And how many calories do you take after that, how fast do you increase your caloric intake?

By the way, 1500kcal is just not only protein, how many fats and carbs?

If my goal would be get lean and stay strong, like 10% bf, how many carbs on training days would you take?

By the way, you've mentioned that you were strongest while beaning most lean coz of drugs - were you starving and still getting stronger? Did you take a lot of tren? :D That's the only drug that would make it possible, at least for me.

"Metabolic damage"? Explain please.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 26, 2012, 01:30:01 PM
"Metabolic damage"? Explain please.

You diet down using very low-caloric diet, metabolism slows down. Then you go all out, binge, eat everything in sight, gain a lot of the fat back but metabolism remains slow. Then you want to diet down again, metabolism is arleady slower, process repeats. After few "cycles" you're ruined and not able to loose fat.

Happens to naturals who compete a lot, described by Layne Norton, but I've observed it as well, especially among chicks.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Master Blaster on December 26, 2012, 01:38:51 PM
High intensity cardio burns muscle mass, low intensity burns bodyfat.

Hope this helps.


Yeah, those Olympic sprinters are TINY 


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 26, 2012, 01:41:59 PM
You diet down using very low-caloric diet, metabolism slows down. Then you go all out, binge, eat everything in sight, gain a lot of the fat back but metabolism remains slow. Then you want to diet down again, metabolism is arleady slower, process repeats. After few "cycles" you're ruined and not able to loose fat.

Happens to naturals who compete a lot, described by Layne Norton, but I've observed it as well, especially among chicks.
Metabolism does not change like that. There are 2 mechanism (for lack of a better term) in your metabolism. One---changes in the long run through age and hormones produced by the body, these are long term alterations in metabolism. Two---are short term changes based on the foods you eat. Now if your metabolism slows down from calorie deficit and you all of a sudden start pigging out then your metabolism will not stay "slowed down" as you suggested, it will instantly speed back up the second you start pigging out.

Now the reason you feel like it is still in 'slowed down' mode is because you are packing on fat but that is not cause of your metabolism, that is because you are pigging out.

Solution; Don't pig out after dieting  ;)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 26, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.

maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less

lol

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=53668.10

I see people running all the time like the next marathon is coming up in Feb?  I'm sure you burn a bit more fat while running, but wouldn't you rather keep more muscle by low intensity cardio...in return increasing your metabolism?  Boring thread, just wondering though.  Not every post can have the flair of the now infamous, gay for pay Derek Anthony.  Classic.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Master Blaster on December 26, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
(http://marcoathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/runner-sprinter.jpg)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 26, 2012, 02:06:38 PM
(http://marcoathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/runner-sprinter.jpg)

love it hahahaha.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: ukjeff on December 26, 2012, 02:08:30 PM
Guys who drive a couple of miles to the gym and then do a couple of miles at a snails pace on the treadmill after their workout.  ???

Im sure they could do something different.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 26, 2012, 02:09:07 PM
Guys who drive a couple of miles to the gym and then do a couple of miles at a snails pace on the treadmill after their workout.  ???

Im sure they could do something different.

How you doing Brian?


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: ukjeff on December 26, 2012, 02:09:53 PM
my names not Brian, thats the dog in my avatar


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 26, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
my names not Brian, thats the dog in my avatar

I know man.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Nomad on December 26, 2012, 02:29:08 PM
They'd bounce you if you so much as threatened some fatty these days.

You get the piss taken out of you for doing extra phys in your own time. The majority would rather hide in the block playing xbox and scranning domino's pizza.

ahahahahahahaha   :o

What faggy girl of a liberal military is this?


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Overload on December 26, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
Sprinters incorporate weight training, runners do not.

There is a huge difference in training strategies between a sprinter and a long distance runner.


8)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 26, 2012, 02:47:04 PM
(http://marcoathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/runner-sprinter.jpg)

Yup...as I was saying!


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 26, 2012, 02:47:36 PM
anyone try Tabata?


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 26, 2012, 05:59:46 PM
Metabolism does not change like that. There are 2 mechanism (for lack of a better term) in your metabolism. One---changes in the long run through age and hormones produced by the body, these are long term alterations in metabolism. Two---are short term changes based on the foods you eat. Now if your metabolism slows down from calorie deficit and you all of a sudden start pigging out then your metabolism will not stay "slowed down" as you suggested, it will instantly speed back up the second you start pigging out.

Now the reason you feel like it is still in 'slowed down' mode is because you are packing on fat but that is not cause of your metabolism, that is because you are pigging out.

Solution; Don't pig out after dieting  ;)

So how would you diet as a weightlifter who wants to retain most muscle and strength and diet down to 10% bf in order to make weight?

My goal weight is 73kg, right now I'm around 77kg, off cycle. Cycle will be low dose prop, higher tren and cabaser to manage prolactin. I'm around 15% bf, started around 18% bf @ 82kg with ton of water. Last time I just starved and tren made me gain strength regardless, not sure if it happens this time around coz I'm much stronger.

My idea is carb backloading + basic IF concepts like only several meals per day (I hate eatig many small meals and it makes zero sense from both scientific and practical point of view). Zero carbs for several days until I feel like shit, then higher carbs (not too high) for several days, going by feel.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 26, 2012, 06:02:23 PM
I agree with everything Galenako and OTH said in this thread. But 1500 calories a day? holy shit, I am in pure misery on 3,000 calories a day. I'd be the worst contestant on "Survivor" of all time.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Army of One on December 26, 2012, 06:06:28 PM
he said i have lungs of a professional sportsman



Maybe he meant Dan Hill


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Krankenstein on December 26, 2012, 06:12:10 PM
High intensity cardio burns muscle mass, low intensity burns bodyfat.

Hope this helps.

LOL....riiiiiiight


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 26, 2012, 06:52:22 PM
You diet down using very low-caloric diet, metabolism slows down. Then you go all out, binge, eat everything in sight, gain a lot of the fat back but metabolism remains slow. Then you want to diet down again, metabolism is arleady slower, process repeats. After few "cycles" you're ruined and not able to loose fat.

Happens to naturals who compete a lot, described by Layne Norton, but I've observed it as well, especially among chicks.

What's your.definition of "metabolism"????


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: kevinf on December 26, 2012, 07:40:30 PM
yes, its very easy, to get cut:

starve, learn starving and learn how to deal with it, theres ways to make it somewhat comfortable.

move around alot.

train hard

rest

eat enough protein

dont forget the steroids

and no, no slowly getting into diet, just crash, when on gear itll work.

can you share tips on how you deal with the starving part? thanks


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: MichaelScottDM on December 26, 2012, 08:21:32 PM
anyone try Tabata?

I use that once in a while jumping rope. You can bang out a quick 5 minutes at the end of weight training and get yourself a good heart pump. I'd only do it skipping rope if you are pretty experienced and can go very fast without mistakes.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Quickerblade on December 26, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
I use that once in a while jumping rope. You can bang out a quick 5 minutes at the end of weight training and get yourself a good heart pump. I'd only do it skipping rope if you are pretty experienced and can go very fast without mistakes.

i can do it on a cross trainer, never skipping ropes, props to anyone that can


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Rudee on December 27, 2012, 12:20:32 AM

Yeah, those Olympic sprinters are TINY 


I always get a chuckle when I hear people compare the muscular development of Olympic Sprinters to Long Distance Runners, and attribute this difference in muscularity to the intensity of their cardio, yet only a fool would fail to understand that the main reason they are so different muscularity speaking, is because Olympic Sprinters are juiced to the gills.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Rudee on December 27, 2012, 12:21:53 AM
(http://marcoathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/runner-sprinter.jpg)

Guy on left Natural.   Guy on right, juiced to the gills.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 27, 2012, 03:05:37 AM
So how would you diet as a weightlifter who wants to retain most muscle and strength and diet down to 10% bf in order to make weight?

My goal weight is 73kg, right now I'm around 77kg, off cycle. Cycle will be low dose prop, higher tren and cabaser to manage prolactin. I'm around 15% bf, started around 18% bf @ 82kg with ton of water. Last time I just starved and tren made me gain strength regardless, not sure if it happens this time around coz I'm much stronger.

My idea is carb backloading + basic IF concepts like only several meals per day (I hate eatig many small meals and it makes zero sense from both scientific and practical point of view). Zero carbs for several days until I feel like shit, then higher carbs (not too high) for several days, going by feel.
Oh shit that kind of puts a twist on things. I would eat carbs before your workout and eliminate all carbs after your workout until the next day. That way you have enough carbs to keep your workout strong and you also have eliminated enough to start dropping weight. Personally I am just as strong on carb days as no carb days, however I use ephedrine pre-workout on no carbs to keep my strengths the same.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 27, 2012, 03:40:17 AM
What's your.definition of "metabolism"????

Caloric expenditure or resting caloric expenditure, depending on context.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Stephano on December 27, 2012, 05:19:10 AM

yes, strongest when leanest, wasnt due to tren, it was something very similiar, with a dog and cat on the packaging, something veterinary

Mibolerone "cheque drops"?


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: ukjeff on December 27, 2012, 05:32:25 AM
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1189817!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/lance-armstrong-shirtless.jpg)
Guy in the pic natural...oh wait a minute....


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 27, 2012, 08:36:37 AM
Caloric expenditure or resting caloric expenditure, depending on context.

Mmm, all due respect. That's not it. But that is YOUR definition.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 27, 2012, 08:43:58 AM
Mmm, all due respect. That's not it. But that is YOUR definition.

Honestly, why do you always play these stupid cat and mouse games on the board? Is it to demonstrate superiority by lording purported knowledge over others?

We all get it...you do this shit for a living and you're very good at it, etc...

Why don't you try contributing your knowledge instead of posting your passive-aggressive barbs? It's a little old and tired.

If you're so damned good at coaching, then be a coach on the boards for christ's sake.

Just tell the fucking guy what metabolism is, and be done with it. Teach/coach something...don't try to expose people and then laugh at them. It's childish bullying. Unless that's the only reason you come here. In which case, we have a lot of those guys here...get in line. And you're not funny enough to be one of them so work on your game.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 27, 2012, 08:47:29 AM
ha.smoking helps alot.i know not the best approach.

drinking loads of water.

the initial starve is brutal, but goes away after an hour, then later on it returns with pains in the stomach, thats when i idealy have the next meal ;D




Smoking is a great fat burner - totally agree. A little out there because it's addictive, but it works. Nicotine is an excellent trigger for norepinephrine release, which is a key thermogenic agent. And NE also kills your appetite, making it wonderful when dieting. And, the NE released is a great stimulant to deal with the blahs of low-cal dieting.

If you don't like the smoker's breath/stink, you can get away with nicorette gum, which works real well. Addictive, but it works. I'm sure for most bodybuilders, chewing gum/smoking is not the most unhealthy thing they'll do to get lean.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Shockwave on December 27, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
Smoking is a great fat burner - totally agree. A little out there because it's addictive, but it works. Nicotine is an excellent trigger for norepinephrine release, which is a key thermogenic agent. And NE also kills your appetite, making it wonderful when dieting. And, the NE released is a great stimulant to deal with the blahs of low-cal dieting.

If you don't like the smoker's breath/stink, you can get away with nicorette gum, which works real well. Addictive, but it works. I'm sure for most bodybuilders, chewing gum/smoking is not the most unhealthy thing they'll do to get lean.
Well he could just start smoking Meth instead, I hear it works great as well.  ;D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 08:53:27 AM
Any "Hash head" pot smoker i have ever known looked thin.. even though they had always the "munchies", donīt know the Biological effect of cannabis but i always just saw thin Hash smokers.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Nicademus on December 27, 2012, 09:31:38 AM
Mmm, all due respect. That's not it. But that is YOUR definition.

I saw pics of your wife.  She looks to be on more AAS than you.  I'd like to hear her approach to getting ripped abs.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 27, 2012, 09:42:12 AM
I saw pics of your wife.  She looks to be on more AAS than you.  I'd like to hear her approach to getting ripped abs.

Why the shot at my wife, dickhead?


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 27, 2012, 09:43:56 AM
Honestly, why do you always play these stupid cat and mouse games on the board? Is it to demonstrate superiority by lording purported knowledge over others?

We all get it...you do this shit for a living and you're very good at it, etc...

Why don't you try contributing your knowledge instead of posting your passive-aggressive barbs? It's a little old and tired.

If you're so damned good at coaching, then be a coach on the boards for christ's sake.

Just tell the fucking guy what metabolism is, and be done with it. Teach/coach something...don't try to expose people and then laugh at them. It's childish bullying. Unless that's the only reason you come here. In which case, we have a lot of those guys here...get in line. And you're not funny enough to be one of them so work on your game.

Sorry, you are correct. It's a character flaw.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Nicademus on December 27, 2012, 09:49:47 AM
Why the shot at my wife, dickhead?

It's a compliment.  I'd like to hear her thoughts on getting lean while on AAS.  From what I've seen-you shouldn't advise anyone on being lean.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 27, 2012, 09:56:21 AM
It's a compliment.  I'd like to hear her thoughts on getting lean while on AAS.  From what I've seen-you shouldn't advise anyone on being lean.

Well, considering she never used...


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Nicademus on December 27, 2012, 09:59:32 AM
Well, considering she never used...

Sure man.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
(http://marcoathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/runner-sprinter.jpg)
all this picture proves is that blacks are more muscular than whites


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: CT_Muscle on December 27, 2012, 10:07:30 AM
yes, its very easy, to get cut:

starve, learn starving and learn how to deal with it, theres ways to make it somewhat comfortable.

move around alot.

train hard

rest

eat enough protein

dont forget the steroids

and no, no slowly getting into diet, just crash, when on gear itll work.

What he said  ;D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 27, 2012, 10:25:26 AM
It's a compliment.  I'd like to hear her thoughts on getting lean while on AAS.  From what I've seen-you shouldn't advise anyone on being lean.

What ever you say chief.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2012, 11:29:25 AM
the munchies thing goes away after a while and is replaced by apetitelessness.

the famous hamdy smokes all the time.

and so does dennis wolf.

oh, and btw, as another "trick" to have keep the hunger down, i think of the self righteous fatasses who eat like swine and look even worse all the while kids die of hunger somewhere else on the globe.

and i think of the disgusting semi human fatsos known as mcdonalds customers, its serves for me similair funtion to the graphic warning image on cigarette packs


 :)

i think off the pathetic weak who cant stand through diet and then they engage in eternal self pity, then i think about hos the ladies get in line to get some of me just because im in great shape.

its all worth it.

or like Sgt. Barnes would say... "just shut up and take the pain"

one of my tricks is to remember the suffering of running 5 hard miles, that kinda training toughens ya up and makes it easier to take the pain of starvation


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 27, 2012, 11:43:09 AM
Mmm, all due respect. That's not it. But that is YOUR definition.

With all due respect, this is what I mean when I write metabolism. It doesn't matter how you call it.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 27, 2012, 11:44:09 AM
well, her body obviously isnt natural.



LOL...you're new at this aren't ya?


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 27, 2012, 12:15:01 PM
hey i thought i have to get back to that post, since youre cool ppl.

what i meant is, depending on how much i take, i always come out similiar looking after dieting, dont matter for me if i do a bulking or go off gear before dieting(and then diet on gear), ill look about the same.

i prefer going off totally and eat whatever i want and not even care about training to a bulking cycle, the water and the fat gained from bulking is very hard and tiresome and fustrating to diet away, as the results show slowly(unless when around 10%, then on a diet you look better weekly),
and i get shit bloodwork results from bulking and feel lethargic, cant even sex properly, getting out of breat easily etc, and most of all i look utter horseshit during a steroid bulk, from face to feet all the way ;D

the joints arguments of yours counts, no doubt, but sitting on stationary bike, allow fast paced cardio even at that weight.

just felt like explaining my position.

 8)

Very true...no excuse for me not to do high intensity cardio on the bike.

I left off my other reason for doing slow cardio, and though I'm a bit ashamed of it, not so ashamed I will stop.

Slow cardio gives me 60 minutes each day to watch beautiful girls at the gym. I'm not working so hard that I can't appreciate how good they look, and get an eyeful. Also, the slow cardio (60 mins) allows me to get in a full episode of my favorite TV shows on the boob tube (i.e. Dexter, Spartacus, Band of Brothers, etc...). So it's a peaceful way to pass the time that provides enjoyment. Sometimes, I like to just take a long walk at night and think about business, or life, or my family...helps me clear my mind and come to terms with life...I can't do that if I'm working hard.

If I didn't have hot girls or TV to watch at the gym, you're damned right I'd be doing intense cardio. I fucking hate just plain cardio with no distrations...I can't imagine anything more boring.

I also agree that bulking doesn't help me really gain more muscle than staying lean. Again...I don't have a valid reason for bulking. I wind up doing it because I like to eat good foods, and I like to eat a lot of them. The only difference for me between contest dieting and non-contest dieting is I eat less. But I'll eat prosciutto on my diet; I'll eat prime rib; I'll eat cookies; I'll eat eggs benedict...whatever I want when I'm contest dieting. I just don't get to eat as much. And my problem is I like to eat a lot to feel full. So, when I'm contest dieting, I often go towards foods that really fill you up but don't provide much calories (vegetables with no sauce, chicken breast, egg whites). Sometimes, it's more important that I feel full when dieting than eating something tasty. But when I want tasty things and feel I can control my appetite, I just do it. I'm dieting right now for a show, and yesterday this is what I ate:

Meal one at noon: 2 eggs benedict with english muffins for breakfast, and a liter of diet coke

Meal two at 6pm: 8 oz of roast beef and some gravy and 2 liters of flavored water

Meal three at 8 pm: 3 cups of plain popcorn with salt and vinegar flavor and 2 liters of flavored water

Meal four at 10 pm: 1 super massive greek salad with tomoatoes, cucumbers, feta, olives, onions and basil leaves and my homemade vinaigrette. And 8 slices of black forest ham

But I agree with everything you said about bulking. It's pretty stupid to do it, and doesn't help you grow much. Let the drugs help you grow...the extra food is a nuisance. The only reason I do it is because I'm weak, and I know I can't suffer every day of the year. It's why I'll never be a good bodybuilder. I've made my peace with that. I do it now because frankly, I'm too beat up to do any sports, and this makes me feel good enough about myself that I feel personally validated. Until I find a better hobby that fills the void that sports left when I quit all contact sports, I'll keep bodybuilding.

Also, I like the way the wife molests me because I have some muscles and her other girlfriends have fat husbands. It adds a certain desperation to her attempts to keep me happy in the sack (I think she does this because she thinks I'll be tempted by other women if she doesn't pull out all the stops), which leads to excellent sex. I'd never stray anyways, but if this is how she has to handle business in the bedroom, who am I to complain? ;D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Overload on December 27, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
well, you do 8hrs construction site work daily, cant be starving there.this also takes care of the moving around part.

the drug part is each ones personal choice

This is true. I work in an office all day and spend 90% of my work day sitting in front of a computer. It's no wonder there are so many fat people in my office. I find that i have to do some type of cardio to keep my body lean.

I look at it two ways, you can either starve yourself or suffer through cardio. If you can find a type of cardio you enjoy then why starve yourself? I eat pretty clean and get down to around 1500 calories when it's time to get really lean, but most of the year I'm eating between 3-4000 calories.

I find starving myself works but it makes life worse for me than doing some cardio a few days a week on days i don't lift weights. I dated this Russian girl years ago that loved to fuck for a good hour every day and i would have marathon bang sessions with her every day. I lost 30 pounds in like 6 weeks with no other form of cardio. Hard to find a girl that can take a fucking for a hour straight every day though.


8)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 01:00:22 PM
missing one thing here .. itīs about your HEART too. Itīs important to work it all .. if you walk...then jog or run then walk you are doing a type of Interval training. Jump rope anything. I feel losing weight is also about activity too. The human body was made to walk ..up hill ..climb. Diet is of course key. The more you eat the more you have to lose..


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2012, 01:02:21 PM
missing one thing here .. itīs about your HEART too. Itīs important to work it all .. if you walk...then jog or run then walk you are doing a type of Interval training. Jump rope anything. I feel losing weight is also about activity too. The human body was made to walk ..up hill ..climb. Diet is of course key. The more you eat the more you have to lose..

you gotta learn to take pain and to like it ;)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 01:07:07 PM
you gotta learn to take pain and to like it ;)
very true.. ;D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
farrah said in his kai grene seminar that cardio is more useful for bulking than cutting


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: ukjeff on December 27, 2012, 01:56:21 PM
eat less, go for a walk, lift weights , take gear.
Jeez, its easy.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: che on December 27, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
well, you do 8hrs construction site work daily, cant be starving there.this also takes care of the moving around part.

the drug part is each ones personal choice


I've not work construction my whole life, Galeniko.




Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 27, 2012, 02:22:22 PM
So you're saying fuck bulking and just diet down and add drugs and muscle will come?

I agree that bulking on gear is fucking brutal and makes you look like horseshit :DD

90% of older guys at my gym just drink whole year and then get on gear and get shredded. They drink a lot during weekends, barely eat anything and take a lot of amphetamine :D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 27, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
This is true. I work in an office all day and spend 90% of my work day sitting in front of a computer. It's no wonder there are so many fat people in my office. I find that i have to do some type of cardio to keep my body lean.

I look at it two ways, you can either starve yourself or suffer through cardio. If you can find a type of cardio you enjoy then why starve yourself? I eat pretty clean and get down to around 1500 calories when it's time to get really lean, but most of the year I'm eating between 3-4000 calories.

I find starving myself works but it makes life worse for me than doing some cardio a few days a week on days i don't lift weights. I dated this Russian girl years ago that loved to fuck for a good hour every day and i would have marathon bang sessions with her every day. I lost 30 pounds in like 6 weeks with no other form of cardio. Hard to find a girl that can take a fucking for a hour straight every day though.


8)

I spend almost all my days not giving a fuck


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.

maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less

Don't forget with towel wrapped around neck. 


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 02:45:41 PM
So you're saying fuck bulking and just diet down and add drugs and muscle will come?

I agree that bulking on gear is fucking brutal and makes you look like horseshit :DD

90% of older guys at my gym just drink whole year and then get on gear and get shredded. They drink a lot during weekends, barely eat anything and take a lot of amphetamine :D
i thought you had to be big and bloofy the first few years to build foundation

then get shredded


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: ukjeff on December 27, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
bulking is a waste of time, getting fat just to diet it off again.   ::)
Train hard year round and do some cardio precontest.
Off season just knock the cardio on the head.
Up the cutting drugs pre-contest.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2012, 02:58:14 PM
i'm trying to bulk without adding fat and it's going ok so far

if i start adding too much fatty tissue i'll just drop the cals a bit


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 27, 2012, 03:01:06 PM
very nice post, very good points.

the easy distraction cardio is a good point, why not watch bit tv, i read papers or books when i do it, as we got no tvs on the cardio machines ion the gym, i prefer bycycle outside,thjough, if its warm enough, its easy on the joints.
however at my roughly 220,i can manage to jog, just need rests every 15mintues or so :-X

yeah doing this all for little bit female appreciation is what it is about for me.contest dieting is hell.

btw, this is something ive always wondered about, the fullness issue.i think fullness depends on what the body is used to for the previous weeks of food intake.
during diet, if i just slightly increase calories, im full to the point where it gets painful when pumped.

during bulking, i feel i need to eat more and more and more every couple days to reach the same fullness, or to go lower in food intake and then charge up again, i always had problems to get fullness when bulking.

i know sounds odd, but thats how it was for me.

oh and bulking can be usefull for newcomers who want to add some serious mass i think, i believe if i didnt do the 2 years bulking when i started out i would be alot alot thinner than now.had positive long term effect i think.


I find the same things about fullness.

When I'm lean (sub 8%), I can have an extra 700 calories and the veins jump out and the pump from that next workout is painful.

But when I'm at my heaviest when not competing, I can't get the same painful pumps.

You'd think it would happen all the time, but it doesn't. I feel the same way you do about this. Maybe it's just the drastic change that pumps you out...but when you're always full your body just gets used to it. And there's only so much you can bloat up with more water once you're already full. Anymore, and you just piss it out.

I think that's part of the post-workout garbage loading that goes on. You eat like a hog, and you look super full and vascular and look like a freak. One week after a contest, I blow up from 220 to 260, and I look like a freak at 260...I even freak myself out. But that 260 is way different than the 260 I start my diet at.

After the show, I blow up to 260, then the water regulates again and goes back to normal, and I drop back down to about 235. Then slowly fatten up to about 260 just by eating whatever I want.

But I never feel fuller, or like the way I look more, than the 2-4 days after a contest. If I could always look like that, I'd love it. But it's a dragon you chase...you can catch it for a bit, but then it burns you badly if you keep after it.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Borracho on December 27, 2012, 03:05:04 PM
bulking is a waste of time, getting fat just to diet it off again.   ::)
Train hard year round and do some cardio precontest.
Off season just knock the cardio on the head.
Up the cutting drugs pre-contest.


We all gotta start somewhere.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 27, 2012, 04:00:43 PM
90% of older guys at my gym just drink whole year and then get on gear and get shredded. They drink a lot during weekends, barely eat anything and take a lot of amphetamine :D

How old is older? At my age, which is 68, I don't eat as much as I did when I was younger. Being retired, I don't get as much exercise as I did when I worked. In my work, I walked at least half of my day if not more. If one isn't burning as many calories, they shouldn't get as hungry or eat as much as people who are more active.

I don't drink like the folks you describe. I don't take amphetamines. I eat every day. I am not currently on HRT. However, I am considering going back on testosterone cypionate in another 6 months to boost my testosterone levels which are normally rather low. However, my dosage is very modest compared to what some bodybuilders self prescribe.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 27, 2012, 04:01:37 PM
How old is older? At my age, which is 68, I don't eat as much as I did when I was younger. Being retired, I don't get as much exercise as I did when I worked. In my work, I walked at least half of my day if not more. If one isn't burning as many calories, they shouldn't get as hungry or eat as much as people who are more active.

I don't drink like the folks you describe. I don't take amphetamines. I eat every day. I am not currently on HRT. However, I am considering going back on testosterone cypionate in another 6 months to boost my testosterone levels which are normally rather low. However, my dosage is very modest compared to what some bodybuilders self prescribe.

68 is not older, 68 is dead.

I mean over 40 years old.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 27, 2012, 04:31:44 PM
How old is older? At my age, which is 68, I don't eat as much as I did when I was younger. Being retired, I don't get as much exercise as I did when I worked. In my work, I walked at least half of my day if not more. If one isn't burning as many calories, they shouldn't get as hungry or eat as much as people who are more active.

I don't drink like the folks you describe. I don't take amphetamines. I eat every day. I am not currently on HRT. However, I am considering going back on testosterone cypionate in another 6 months to boost my testosterone levels which are normally rather low. However, my dosage is very modest compared to what some bodybuilders self prescribe.

Why are you waiting to get on HRT? Do yourself a favor...it's the quality in life that matter and test brings quality to a man's life. Not like you need me to tell you that, as you have wisdom on your side that I don't. Just my opinion....


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deadz on December 27, 2012, 05:58:30 PM
Low intensity cardio works to burn fat, fact.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Hulkotron on December 27, 2012, 06:26:32 PM
I am leanest in the morning right when I wake up, I suspect there is a secret here.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 27, 2012, 06:26:59 PM
Low intensity cardio works to burn fat, fact.
of course but so does high intesity  ;)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 27, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
I am leanest in the morning right when I wake up, I suspect there is a secret here.
Yes, it's called dehydrated from not drinking water all night.  :) ;)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2012, 06:30:28 PM
of course but so does high intesity  ;)

high intensity is MUCH BETTER because of the metabolic cost of it

but one needs to be very careful with it, coz it can put one into a state of over-training right quick

i tried to do it 3 times per week, but it was a no-go

twice a week was all i could handle


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: OTHstrong on December 27, 2012, 06:33:40 PM
high intensity is MUCH BETTER because of the metabolic cost of it

but one needs to be very careful with it, coz it can put one into a state of over-training right quick

i tried to do it 3 times per week, but it was a no-go

twice a week was all i could handle
when you are on enough juice over training is not a problem, however being sore might interfere with your workouts.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
when you are on enough juice over training is not a problem, however being sore might interfere with your workouts.

i'm not sure if you know exactly what i'm talking about

i never got sore from it, but at the end of a proper session i'd be laying on the floor nearly passed out huffing and puffing like a freight train close to heart fibrillation for a good 5-10 min lol


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: snx on December 27, 2012, 07:15:09 PM
very interesting, i have the same exact experiences.

when very lean and eat full junk food till sick for couple days everything blows up, then when i carry on, get softer, then if i go back low carbs i look like absulte shit and look deflated and the gained fat shows.

just small observation.wondering if its same for you

Yes. Exact same for me. Funny stuff!

When I diet for shows, I eat whatever I want for the last two meals on Sunday. Just something I've learned to work with over time that helps me deal with dieting. On Monday, when I wake up after having not had enough to drink, I look my best that week. But by Monday night, after returning to low calories, doing my cardio and working out, I flatten right out. And by Thursday, I look like shit. Because I know to expect it, I don't freak out over how flat and fat I think I look (even when I'm sub 10%). I know I'm a few big meals and extra calories away from looking good again. But if I do it too soon, I don't keep the body in a caloric deficit long enough to get as lean as I need to, so I have to suffer.

It's all just head games. If you can starve and suffer and keep your eye on your goal, you tend to ignore the games your body plays with your mind. Also, the more you do it, the more you come to expect this and are able to just shrug it off as no big deal.

My first show was a mindfuck though. Didn't know what to expect...read a bunch of books, but wasn't ready for what happened to the body when you applied the tactics. Probably should have had a coach or friend who'd done it before help me, but I was the only guy at my school who did bodybuilding back then, so I was on my own. Probably explains why I sucked ass at the show. All the guys and girls at school thought I looked like a freak and would totally win. Then I do a show and realize that i wasn't really that special. What a wake-up call!


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 28, 2012, 12:46:40 AM
some good posts on here...intresting


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: NO ABSENCE OF MUSCLE on December 28, 2012, 01:09:02 AM
funny vid of ronnie coleman walking up a set of stairs to the cinema -totally out of breath....it was like he had climbed mt everest....

these fuckers have zero cardio ability...sad, fucking sad and pathetic.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 28, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
Cardio is important ..i saw my father have a  heart attack ..they say its genetic . Just hope i take it like a man on the chin


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: anabolichalo on December 28, 2012, 10:50:20 AM
Cardio is important ..i saw my father have a  heart attack ..they say its genetic . Just hope i take it like a man on the chin
doesnt weight training train the heart


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 28, 2012, 10:54:54 AM
they opened my fathers chest like a pig to slaughter to replce some heart valves or whatever, looks like its bound to happen to me one day.

enjoy every day to fullest, dont do very stupid things, we never know the minute, we never know the day.

My father is a gynecologist. He told me that once during some seminar he was surgery on penis. When huge fat woman cut some guy's dick in half he lost it.

Heart problems are nothing man, imagine having prostate cancer. They cut it out with nerves, everything. You won't be able to get out of home without diapers. Testosterone? Forget about it, they will treat you with shit to reduce your natural testosterone. Sex? Well, viagra won't work. You'll have to inject shit straight to your penis in order to make it go up.

Personally, if I ever get prostate cancer I'll say - thank you very much, I'd rather die.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 28, 2012, 11:01:41 AM
We are all men together here (no homo )... :)


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 29, 2012, 06:20:48 PM
My father is a gynecologist. He told me that once during some seminar he was surgery on penis. When huge fat woman cut some guy's dick in half he lost it.

Heart problems are nothing man, imagine having prostate cancer. They cut it out with nerves, everything. You won't be able to get out of home without diapers. Testosterone? Forget about it, they will treat you with shit to reduce your natural testosterone. Sex? Well, viagra won't work. You'll have to inject shit straight to your penis in order to make it go up.

Personally, if I ever get prostate cancer I'll say - thank you very much, I'd rather die.

I had prostate cancer. Fortunately, your description of a prostatectomy is way off base. Robotic surgery is nerve sparing. I wore panty liners for about a month after the surgery in case I dripped. This almost never happened and today I have no incontinence issues. In fact, minus the enlarged prostate, I am back to peeing like a horse.

I had ED prior to the surgery. It didn't get any better with the surgery. At 68 years of age, not getting an erection is not a huge deal to me. The shots work and they are relatively painless. I've started having nocturnal erections again recently. I suppose the nerves could be making new connections.   

I was on HRT prior to the prostate cancer diagnosis. My doctor indicated I could go back on it after a year. Since my PSA numbers are undetectable now, he indicated I could go back on testosterone cypionate sooner if I wanted. I will make that decision in three months when I have the next PSA and a testosterone level check. I suspect it is low. It was low prior to the cancer which is why I was on HRT.

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer men get. I've heard that eventually, all men end up with this cancer but most die of something else before they die from prostate cancer as it is sometimes slow growing. It is a good idea to have your PSA checked at least once a year. If one has prostate cancer it is better caught early rather than later.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: D.O.U.P on December 29, 2012, 07:51:59 PM
so does going to bed sleeping hungry.

You're both correct.

Add in two or three HIT cardio sessions (stadium steps, sprints) per week= LEAN.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Quickerblade on December 29, 2012, 09:38:02 PM
hard to run lately, have developed a fucked up callus on the outer left part of my left foot.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: hardgainerj on December 29, 2012, 10:52:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNjSCBo2x4


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: hardgainerj on December 29, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
Munzer even swam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3alS4rTR-bQ


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: arce1988 on December 29, 2012, 11:12:56 PM
 :D


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 29, 2012, 11:20:01 PM
68 is not older, 68 is dead.

I mean over 40 years old.

Spoken like 30 something year old.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Donny on December 30, 2012, 01:31:15 AM
Spoken like 30 something year old.
Itīs true prime at that age they worry more than we do..


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: anabolichalo on December 30, 2012, 10:20:29 AM
I had prostate cancer. Fortunately, your description of a prostatectomy is way off base. Robotic surgery is nerve sparing. I wore panty liners for about a month after the surgery in case I dripped. This almost never happened and today I have no incontinence issues. In fact, minus the enlarged prostate, I am back to peeing like a horse.

I had ED prior to the surgery. It didn't get any better with the surgery. At 68 years of age, not getting an erection is not a huge deal to me. The shots work and they are relatively painless. I've started having nocturnal erections again recently. I suppose the nerves could be making new connections.   

I was on HRT prior to the prostate cancer diagnosis. My doctor indicated I could go back on it after a year. Since my PSA numbers are undetectable now, he indicated I could go back on testosterone cypionate sooner if I wanted. I will make that decision in three months when I have the next PSA and a testosterone level check. I suspect it is low. It was low prior to the cancer which is why I was on HRT.

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer men get. I've heard that eventually, all men end up with this cancer but most die of something else before they die from prostate cancer as it is sometimes slow growing. It is a good idea to have your PSA checked at least once a year. If one has prostate cancer it is better caught early rather than later.
in 2 years you are 70 holy shit

i'm probably going to get prostate cancer also

it runs in the family

and some studies suggest that premature balders have even more chance


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: anabolichalo on December 30, 2012, 10:25:44 AM
Munzer even swam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3alS4rTR-bQ
great bodybuilder

rip


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 30, 2012, 10:28:15 AM
Spoken like 30 something year old.

23. i could hook you up with my grandpa, she is of your age.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: anabolichalo on December 30, 2012, 10:36:17 AM
23. i could hook you up with my grandpa, she is of your age.
do you realize it has already been 5 years since hs

soon you are 30 :-\


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 30, 2012, 10:38:24 AM
do you realize it has already been 5 years since hs

soon you are 30 :-\

A hell lot of things happened since then, at this rate I'm gonna get old and die before 30.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Agent69 on December 30, 2012, 11:46:39 AM
-you can throw the Bro science out the window--whens the last time you saw a lean thick top pro bodybuilder  sprint for 2 hours daily ?? or run consistantly?? NEVER-(ya picture jay-ronnie in his prime-markus- kai-phil-branch or any big thick top pro SPRINTING 2 HOURS DAILY.LMAO -- first of all why the fuck would you want to risk doing it for injury reasons ??
its all about heart rate(fat burning cardio) and diet and drugs and what you eat and when you eat it when trying to get contest lean...if you sprinted for 2 hours everyday-do you guys actually think this would be good for a 270 lb bodybuilder for maintaining his mass while dieting ?? although i have seen some guys do pathetic cardio-you should be soaked in sweat when your done and ya the heart rate should go upto and stay at your fat burning heart rate for your age-
i understand  the logic behind the running/sprinting and fat loss- and I use it  lots when training figure girls and bikini girls and physique guys and girls they can do sprints and some running but it also depends on there body types and metabolisms for how much they would do--..
but big thick bodybuilders-lol not likely ever when trying to hold onto all your mass when dieting----i would pay to see jay-or ronnie or dorian in there prime doing sprints--lol


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: anabolichalo on December 30, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1-ygiI6_3M


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: a_ahmed on December 30, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
I was checking out Asics last night.. didn't have that model that was mentioned. I DO need new running shoes badly.. my current ones are so loose and worn out.. can't run worth poop in them anymore... Damn shoes make a big difference and unless we think about it or are told about it we don't know it...


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Quickerblade on December 30, 2012, 01:01:45 PM
I was checking out Asics last night.. didn't have that model that was mentioned. I DO need new running shoes badly.. my current ones are so loose and worn out.. can't run worth poop in them anymore... Damn shoes make a big difference and unless we think about it or are told about it we don't know it...

you mean the kayanos? what country are you in?


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: OTHstrong on December 30, 2012, 01:02:21 PM
I was checking out Asics last night.. didn't have that model that was mentioned. I DO need new running shoes badly.. my current ones are so loose and worn out.. can't run worth poop in them anymore... Damn shoes make a big difference and unless we think about it or are told about it we don't know it...
honestly all asics are good, I don't like to spent over 2 hundred bones on the latest model, so I just get the last years model for 120 or so, works good for me.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 30, 2012, 01:29:37 PM
in 2 years you are 70 holy shit

i'm probably going to get prostate cancer also

it runs in the family

and some studies suggest that premature balders have even more chance

If premature balding is an indicator of future prostate cancer, then I am a classic example. I started going bald in my late teens and was bald on top by my late 20's. I also had prostatitis frequently as a young man. I started seeing a urologist in my 30's for an enlarged prostate. The doctor said my prostate was the size of a racket ball when he removed it. Considering it is supposed to be the walnut sized, that was pretty big.

Just so you know, when I was in my 20's and 30's I never imagined I would live to be this old. Now that I am nearly 70 years old and feel great with no major health issues, it seems possible that I will live to be even older than I am now. LOL! I credit all the time I spend exercising and being relatively cautious about what I eat, plus good genetics for my longevity.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 30, 2012, 01:32:16 PM
23. i could hook you up with my grandpa, she is of your age.

Thanks, but I am happily married.

My oldest granddaughter is 23. Just goes to show....


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 30, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
A hell lot of things happened since then, at this rate I'm gonna get old and die before 30.

My mom liked to go to fortune tellers. One fortune teller she saw told her I would die before I was 30 years old. I suspect she wasn't very accomplished at he profession since I am still kicking nearly 40 years after the time she predicted my death.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: deceiver on December 30, 2012, 02:00:21 PM
My mom liked to go to fortune tellers. One fortune teller she saw told her I would die before I was 30 years old. I suspect she wasn't very accomplished at he profession since I am still kicking nearly 40 years after the time she predicted my death.

There was this crazy mathematician who predicted exact date of his death. He was so upset it didn't come that he committed suicide that day.


Title: Re: bodybuilders "cardio"
Post by: Primemuscle on December 30, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
There was this crazy mathematician who predicted exact date of his death. He was so upset it didn't come that he committed suicide that day.

That's one heck of a way to make sure your predictions are accurate. I think I will pass on predicting my own death.  ::)


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Howard on December 30, 2012, 07:59:41 PM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70 year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.

maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less

I used to think like that when I was lean and under 200.
Now at a chunky age 54 and 250 it is a different deal.

Now, think about some pro that is 300 lbs in the off season and you get the idea.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: hrspwr1 on December 30, 2012, 08:34:27 PM
I was checking out Asics last night.. didn't have that model that was mentioned. I DO need new running shoes badly.. my current ones are so loose and worn out.. can't run worth poop in them anymore... Damn shoes make a big difference and unless we think about it or are told about it we don't know it...

 Don`t know about asics but I have used a running shoe made by nike that was similar to their running styles and found they don`t work for me. I buy the new balance trail running shoes with the thick soles. The thinner style running shoes beat my feet to death as compared to the thicker trail runners
 My running shoes last about 3 months and they are done, the new balance trail runners only cost about $40 to $50 a pair. I run 2 or 3 days a week just for a couple miles at a clip but a 220lb man is hard on sneakers no matter who makes them.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2012, 02:22:13 AM
yes for you big guys good running shoes are very important. while i get away with my average Puma shoes you guys need better quality. Asics are great shoes and they are the number 1 choice if you got the money for a good pair. I wait till the models are old and they are cheaper to buy. As hrspwr1 wrote trail running shoes are more robust and running in the woods is much better for you. I have worn these as well and run on both roads and trails in the woods. walking is great too at a good pace and add some hills in your route and if your lucky and have a beach nearby thats even better. steve reeves enjoyed power walking..walking trains your leg muscles and calves too. gives a diffrent feel and effect than jogging/running.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Quickerblade on December 31, 2012, 02:26:49 AM
yes for you big guys good running shoes are very important. while i get away with my average Puma shoes you guys need better quality. Asics are great shoes and they are the number 1 choice if you got the money for a good pair.

Donny, this is getbig, millionaires baby. I buy $150 Asics just to walk to my mailbox


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: snx on December 31, 2012, 06:26:37 AM
Donny, this is getbig, millionaires baby. I buy $150 Asics just to walk to my mailbox

I know! I bought a pair just so I had something to throw at my gardener when he didn't trim the gardenias just right. Size 12's upside Sancho's head.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2012, 06:57:48 AM
Donny, this is getbig, millionaires baby. I buy $150 Asics just to walk to my mailbox
;D


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: OTHstrong on December 31, 2012, 07:43:53 AM
Don`t know about asics but I have used a running shoe made by nike that was similar to their running styles and found they don`t work for me. I buy the new balance trail running shoes with the thick soles. The thinner style running shoes beat my feet to death as compared to the thicker trail runners
 My running shoes last about 3 months and they are done, the new balance trail runners only cost about $40 to $50 a pair. I run 2 or 3 days a week just for a couple miles at a clip but a 220lb man is hard on sneakers no matter who makes them.
You get what you pay for. You say your runners last 3 or 4 months and they cost 50 bucks, well trust me asics are indestructible, they last forever. I was running 16 k 5 days a week for 4 months prior to my marathon I ran in 09, then did the marathon and after that ran 3 days a week only at 5-8 k per run and my shoes lasted another 4-5 months. asics are  the best .


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: hrspwr1 on December 31, 2012, 08:06:52 AM
you may be right but all I have is my personal experience of me being extremely hard on shoes. I have even bought top of the line boots and manage to destroy them in 6 months.
 there may be something to the terrain I cover as well, here in the mountains I run on gravel roads and rocky trails, maybe the asics could hold up to that type of abuse but for me it just seems prudent to replace my running shoes every 3 to 4 months.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 31, 2012, 12:14:28 PM
Running shoes should be replaced every 6 months or so if you are a regular runner. They still might look good but the support and padding get shot. On a side note I can't believe how much running sneakers cost. They got to be kidding me charging $125 for a Chinese made sneaker.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2012, 12:25:14 PM
Running shoes should be replaced every 6 months or so if you are a regular runner. They still might look good but the support and padding get shot. On a side note I can't believe how much running sneakers cost. They got to be kidding me charging $125 for a Chinese made sneaker.

yes i agree..crazy. where my wife works they sell them and i wait untill the model is running out then get them cheaper plus because she works there i get a % off...


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: dj181 on December 31, 2012, 12:31:12 PM
fuck them greedy shoemakers, run barefoot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIT7t2jtdP0


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 31, 2012, 03:24:48 PM
If you're from Kenya and have been bare foot from birth to 16 run bare foot. To run bare foot now is just asking for a injury or an infection.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: hardgainerj on December 31, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
I was checking out Asics last night.. didn't have that model that was mentioned. I DO need new running shoes badly.. my current ones are so loose and worn out.. can't run worth poop in them anymore... Damn shoes make a big difference and unless we think about it or are told about it we don't know it...
get brooks


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Primemuscle on December 31, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
fuck them greedy shoemakers, run barefoot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIT7t2jtdP0

It has been so long since I have gone barefoot for more than a few minutes, my feet couldn't stand it if I ran barefoot. If you really want to do this, work up to it slowly making sure the bottoms of your feet have a chance to toughen up. Some running shoe manufacturers actually make shoes which are similar to running barefoot. Here are a couple of links to shoes that are somewhat like going barefoot: http://www.altrazerodrop.com/?gclid=CLSphNyvxrQCFYp_Qgodhz8A3w (http://www.altrazerodrop.com/?gclid=CLSphNyvxrQCFYp_Qgodhz8A3w), http://store.nike.com/us/en_us/?l=shop,free_run (http://store.nike.com/us/en_us/?l=shop,free_run), http://barefootrunningshoes.org/ (http://barefootrunningshoes.org/). The last link to Barefoot running shoes is the best I think because it offers a wide variety of shoes which simulate running barefoot.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: OTHstrong on January 01, 2013, 08:38:06 AM
you may be right but all I have is my personal experience of me being extremely hard on shoes. I have even bought top of the line boots and manage to destroy them in 6 months.
 there may be something to the terrain I cover as well, here in the mountains I run on gravel roads and rocky trails, maybe the asics could hold up to that type of abuse but for me it just seems prudent to replace my running shoes every 3 to 4 months.
OH shit gravel kills the shoes fast,.. Ya you are right about being over priced, trust me I buy all my shoe at wal-mart except my runners


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Lord Chronos on January 01, 2013, 12:18:40 PM
haha, i always have to laugh when i see permabulkers stepping a treadmill or stationary bicycle slower than the 70 year old right next to them.

whats the oint of this, the same effect can be had by a walk through town.

hell, masturbation burns more calories than that.

maybe the solution is also to eat  a little bit less

The reason they have to go slow, is that their heart has been irrevocably damaged from drug abuse, electrical conductivity in the cardiac tissue is completely fucked (scientific term), high intensity cardio for most would result in a heart attack at some point.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: wild willie on January 01, 2013, 02:25:02 PM
 ::)


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: a_ahmed on January 01, 2013, 05:08:06 PM
Well I just bought myself some Asics GT-2170 running shoes. Could not find Kayan 18s in my shoe size were only selling 9, 9.5... They seemed the same to me more or less from my very inexperienced eye as I have no experience with running shoes.

Anyways as soon as i put them on i felt these will be good for running, tight fit, comfy, cushiony and the way they are shaped 'it makes me want to run' lol... however im gonna explain that.. my first real pair of running shoes...

Will test them out sprinting tomorrow morning :)

http://www.runningshoesguru.com/2011/12/asics-gt-2170-running-shoes-review/

http://forums.runnersworld.com/forums/shoes-stuff/shoes/asics-gt-2170-review

Paid 148CAD after tax at foot locker.. was 129 before tax. What a rip off... when I check online prices... they go for like 80 bux :-/ Oh well I'm happy with how they test fitted though.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 01, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
Well I just bought myself some Asics GT-2170 running shoes. Could not find Kayan 18s in my shoe size were only selling 9, 9.5... They seemed the same to me more or less from my very inexperienced eye as I have no experience with running shoes.

Anyways as soon as i put them on i felt these will be good for running, tight fit, comfy, cushiony and the way they are shaped 'it makes me want to run' lol... however im gonna explain that.. my first real pair of running shoes...

Will test them out sprinting tomorrow morning :)

http://www.runningshoesguru.com/2011/12/asics-gt-2170-running-shoes-review/

http://forums.runnersworld.com/forums/shoes-stuff/shoes/asics-gt-2170-review

Paid 148CAD after tax at foot locker.. was 129 before tax. What a rip off... when I check online prices... they go for like 80 bux :-/ Oh well I'm happy with how they test fitted though.

If you use them regularly and you get benefit from them - there is no waste.    If you had paid 40 bux and never used them = waste


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: a_ahmed on January 01, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Can't wait to try them tomorrow morning looking forward to it will report back! Footlocker has a 30 day return policy so if they are not feeling right I can return/exchange and get something else. They had a few other Asic running shoes, I was just looking for the kayanos as that's what was recommended by OTH.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: a_ahmed on January 02, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
Couldn't wait to post my initial review of running with these puppies!

One word... AMAZING! I've never had legit running shoes for the very purpose of running. Maybe as a kid I had running shoes but I didn't think of running lol. I highly recommend EVERYONE invest in legit running shoes. These asics GT-2170 are the best pair of shoes I've ever run in. I've always run in whatever shoes I had... until now. Never again!

Running up hill, running full speed, no pain in ankles, no pain in knees, feels effortlessly literally, feels like being on a cloud. No impact felt, nothing. Can't believe all these past weeks cutting I was running on the pos shoes I had.........

Buy them!


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Quickerblade on January 02, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
Couldn't wait to post my initial review of running with these puppies!

One word... AMAZING! I've never had legit running shoes for the very purpose of running. Maybe as a kid I had running shoes but I didn't think of running lol. I highly recommend EVERYONE invest in legit running shoes. These asics GT-2170 are the best pair of shoes I've ever run in. I've always run in whatever shoes I had... until now. Never again!

Running up hill, running full speed, no pain in ankles, no pain in knees, feels effortlessly literally, feels like being on a cloud. No impact felt, nothing. Can't believe all these past weeks cutting I was running on the pos shoes I had.........

Buy them!
awesome, big difference when you get the right shoe, some losers run in hiking boots.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Alex23 on January 03, 2013, 10:03:32 PM
Well I just bought myself some Asics GT-2170 running shoes. Could not find Kayan 18s in my shoe size were only selling 9, 9.5... They seemed the same to me more or less from my very inexperienced eye as I have no experience with running shoes.

Anyways as soon as i put them on i felt these will be good for running, tight fit, comfy, cushiony and the way they are shaped 'it makes me want to run' lol... however im gonna explain that.. my first real pair of running shoes...

Will test them out sprinting tomorrow morning :)

http://www.runningshoesguru.com/2011/12/asics-gt-2170-running-shoes-review/

http://forums.runnersworld.com/forums/shoes-stuff/shoes/asics-gt-2170-review

Paid 148CAD after tax at foot locker.. was 129 before tax. What a rip off... when I check online prices... they go for like 80 bux :-/ Oh well I'm happy with how they test fitted though.

wow @ how "invested" you are in this place. Not a soul gives any of the fucks you crave so much.

Hope this Helps. I really do.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: BIG ACH on January 03, 2013, 10:12:27 PM

Best success I've had with cardio was doing two a days....  45 minutes-1 hour walk in the morning on an empty stomach and then in the evening doing 15-20 of HIT cardio!

But you guys see how heavy I get in the off-season, I need all the cardio I get!



Right now I'm doing only the HIT cardio in the evenings after my work out!  I am of the belief that this is more beneficial than a slow walk for a longer period!


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Primemuscle on January 04, 2013, 10:43:23 AM
Best success I've had with cardio was doing two a days....  45 minutes-1 hour walk in the morning on an empty stomach and then in the evening doing 15-20 of HIT cardio!

But you guys see how heavy I get in the off-season, I need all the cardio I get!



Right now I'm doing only the HIT cardio in the evenings after my work out!  I am of the belief that this is more beneficial than a slow walk for a longer period!

Do you still think it is necessary to bulk up off season? Could there be benefits is maintaining moderately low body fat ratios all the time, while building and refining muscle development? It seems like a lot of folks are in that yo yo dieting rut where so many people eventually lose the battle and end up fat or obese. Would it make sense to maybe only fluctuate 10 lbs on or off season?

Cardio is great. A healthy diet combined with cardio is excellent in my opinion.   


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on January 04, 2013, 11:28:01 AM
Best success I've had with cardio was doing two a days....  45 minutes-1 hour walk in the morning on an empty stomach and then in the evening doing 15-20 of HIT cardio!

But you guys see how heavy I get in the off-season, I need all the cardio I get!



Right now I'm doing only the HIT cardio in the evenings after my work out!  I am of the belief that this is more beneficial than a slow walk for a longer period!

you're just inflaming your heart - eventually it will be a scarred mess.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 05:27:20 AM
If you're from Kenya and have been bare foot from birth to 16 run bare foot. To run bare foot now is just asking for a injury or an infection.

Maybe Obama can give us some tips. 


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: a_ahmed on January 05, 2013, 10:11:42 AM
wow @ how "invested" you are in this place. Not a soul gives any of the fucks you crave so much.

Hope this Helps. I really do.

Wait you're Alex. Everyone makes fun of you for being fat and pointless.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: TrueBB93 on January 05, 2013, 12:59:30 PM
Wait you're Alex. Everyone makes fun of you for being fat and pointless.

Alex is a low life. A waste of time even to mention is name, everyone hates him.


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: HTexan on January 05, 2013, 01:06:13 PM
If they are not interested in health, couldn't they just eat less calories?  ??? Shouldn't the heavy weight training and drugs be enough?


Title: Re: Bodybuilders "cardio" - have to laugh at the slow rate
Post by: f450 on January 05, 2013, 02:04:09 PM
you're just inflaming your heart - eventually it will be a scarred mess.

Now you're just talking out your ass. how does cardio inflame the heart up to the point of scarification?  just shut the fuck up.