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Title: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 12:34:59 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/obama-voters-stunned-to-discover-that-they-too-are-millionaires-and-billionaires



Ha ha ha ha

F you liberal morons! 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
if anyone is in "state of shock" (which is of course ridiculous) then they are simply stupid

a temporary discount EXPIRED

that's all that happened and since the middle class got their tax cut made permanent it's basically a wash (or very close)

the only people making hay about this are right wing morons



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 12:39:18 PM
if anyone is in "state of shock" (which is of course ridiculous) then they are simply stupid

a temporary discount EXPIRED

that's all that happened and since the middle class got their tax cut made permanent it's basically a wash (or very close)

the only people making hay about this are right wing morons



Yet o-94er keeps putting millions on SSDI so all this new revenue ainst doing squat for the program but keeping deadbeats going. 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 12:43:04 PM
Yet o-94er keeps putting millions on SSDI so all this new revenue ainst doing squat for the program but keeping deadbeats going. 

here's the deal

every time you claim that Obama voter, libs ,whatever are "in shock", "melting down" etc.

it means that NO ONE is actually doing that



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: 24KT on January 04, 2013, 12:45:35 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/obama-voters-stunned-to-discover-that-they-too-are-millionaires-and-billionaires



Ha ha ha ha

F you liberal morons! 

Do you really think YOU are the one to be calling ANYONE, let alone liberals morons for being in a state of shock over something that was so very predictable? I mean it has barely been 2 months, but have you forgotten the sate of shock YOU were in after the election results?

Just thinking about it has got me laughing out loud.
I hope you've reached a place where you can laugh about how blindsided you were. If not... nevermind.  :-X


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 12:45:46 PM
here's the deal

every time you claim that Obama voter, libs ,whatever are "in shock", "melting down" etc.

it means that NO ONE is actually doing that



I guess that is correct for some since you applaud O-SHITHEAD robbing peoples' paychecks to fund deadbeats and dopers


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 12:46:49 PM
Do you really think YOU are the one to be calling ANYONE, let alone liberals morons for being in a state of shock over something that was so very predictable? I mean it has barely been 2 months, but have you forgotten the sate of shock YOU were in after the election results?

Just thinking about it has got me laughing out loud.
I hope you've reached a place where you can laugh about how blindsided you were. If not... nevermind.  :-X

Somewhat true - i was blindsided by how stupid the electorate really is to re-elect O-Vomit


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 12:53:01 PM
Somewhat true - i was blindsided by how stupid the electorate really is to re-elect O-Vomit

the only thing that blindsided you was your own hatred and profound stupidity

it's odd though that this would have been a surprise to you since you've got such a long track record with the same results


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
the only thing that blindsided you was your own hatred and profound stupidity

it's odd though that this would have been a surprise to you since you've got such a long track record with the same results


So does O-TWINK - whatever he touches turns to shit 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 12:54:40 PM
So does O-TWINK - whatever he touches turns to shit 

your response doesn't even make any sense

as usual


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: dario73 on January 04, 2013, 01:01:50 PM
if anyone is in "state of shock" (which is of course ridiculous) then they are simply stupid

a temporary discount EXPIRED

that's all that happened and since the middle class got their tax cut made permanent it's basically a wash (or very close)

the only people making hay about this are right wing morons


Middle class got a PERMANENT tax cut?  HEHEHEHEHE!!

So you think that the middle class will never EVER see a tax increase.

You idiots never learn.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: 24KT on January 04, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Somewhat true - i was blindsided by how stupid the electorate really is to re-elect O-Vomit

Somewhat? C'mon, you were blindsided by the fact that you didn't even see it coming. lol.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: 24KT on January 04, 2013, 01:16:24 PM
So does O-TWINK - whatever he touches turns to shit 

Not his re-election campaign.  ;D


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 01:16:29 PM
Somewhat? C'mon, you were blindsided by the fact that you didn't even see it coming. lol.

Agreed.   But now the idiocracy gets their cult leader.  


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 01:16:52 PM
Middle class got a PERMANENT tax cut?  HEHEHEHEHE!!

So you think that the middle class will never EVER see a tax increase.

You idiots never learn.


Apparently idiots such as yourself haven't paid attention to what happened in the last couple of days


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 01:17:50 PM
Not his re-election campaign.  ;D

or about 20 other success with the most recent happening just a few days ago

surely there will be many more over the next 4 years


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 01:18:46 PM
Agreed.   But now the idiocracy gets their cult leader.  

Don't forget

He's your leader too....for the next four years

enjoy


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: 24KT on January 04, 2013, 01:18:52 PM
Agreed.   But now the idiocracy gets their cult leader.  

By idiocracy, do you mean all those right wingers who chose NOT to run a viable candidate agains him? The ones who thought they could serve up shit on a stick, and still take the oval office?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 01:19:38 PM
By idiocracy, do you mean all those right wingers who chose NOT to run a viable candidate agains him? The ones who thought they could serve up shit on a stick, and still take the oval office?

I voted for Ron Paul - dont blame me 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: 24KT on January 04, 2013, 01:20:10 PM
Don't forget

He's your leader too....for the next four years

enjoy

OK, now that's just rubbing salt in his wounds. lol  ;D


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: 24KT on January 04, 2013, 01:21:53 PM
I voted for Ron Paul - dont blame me 

So you were part of the "idiocrasy" that split the vote against Obama,
...but you bear no blame in the election outcome? Gotcha! LOL.  ;D


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 01:34:03 PM
OK, now that's just rubbing salt in his wounds. lol  ;D

just doing my part to keep him tethered to reality



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: 24KT on January 04, 2013, 01:38:53 PM
just doing my part to keep him tethered to reality


I think he's too far gone for that at this stage.

I gotta admit tho, I would really love to be a fly on his wall in the event of a Democratic LANDSLIDE in 2014


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
Fact is ppl are paying more in taxes the they did last week...END OF STORY

the only way for us to keep more of our money is through smaller more efficient govt


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 02:00:51 PM
Fact is ppl are paying more in taxes the they did last week...END OF STORY

the only way for us to keep more of our money is through smaller more efficient govt

fair enough

gotta keep in simple for the simpletons

Do you know what the name of the bill that just expired?

The Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 02:35:40 PM
fair enough

gotta keep in simple for the simpletons

Do you know what the name of the bill that just expired?

The Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011
FACT IS PPL ARE PAYING MORE IN TAXES THAN THE DID LAST WEEK..,

you know those middle class families everyone was talking about.

I'm sorry the govt shouldn't be asking anybody for more money while its as big and inefficient as it is


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 03:28:38 PM
FACT IS PPL ARE PAYING MORE IN TAXES THAN THE DID LAST WEEK..,

you know those middle class families everyone was talking about.

I'm sorry the govt shouldn't be asking anybody for more money while its as big and inefficient as it is

It's also a fact that the discount in payroll tax was temporary

again, simpletons can piss in their diapers about it

I wouldn't expect anything less


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 05:19:41 PM
so where the other tax cuts that were made permenant...

they could have done the same with this one, instead obama and congress elected to raise taxes on the sacred middles class by 3.5% in the middle of a recession.

you should be pissed about this straw. The bloated, ineffecient, wasteful piss of govt are taking more money away from you while spending more and more.

I hope this opens the eyes of a lot of the idiots who voted for bigger govt and more entitlements or didnt vote at all

sooner or later the middle class will end up footing the bill


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Mr.1derful on January 04, 2013, 06:11:16 PM
I voted for Ron Paul - dont blame me 

If only more had done the same.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 04, 2013, 06:14:31 PM
so where the other tax cuts that were made permenant...

they could have done the same with this one, instead obama and congress elected to raise taxes on the sacred middles class by 3.5% in the middle of a recession.

you should be pissed about this straw. The bloated, ineffecient, wasteful piss of govt are taking more money away from you while spending more and more.

I hope this opens the eyes of a lot of the idiots who voted for bigger govt and more entitlements or didnt vote at all

sooner or later the middle class will end up footing the bill

I think it was only a 2% raise, but you are correct... Taxes on people like you and I got raised... That's true.

I do wonder and did wonder during all of this discussion why no one said "Hey, that payroll tax cut should be extended."

Why didn't anyone do that I wonder?



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 06:25:17 PM
I believe its 3.5 and also the employers have to pay the other half of that so they also pay 3.5% more per employee.

Imagine how that is going to hurt working capital and the bottom line for many companies...

you think they arent hiring now, it just got more expensive per employee...

way to go obama and congress, you FUCKED US AGAIN!!!!


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 06:42:20 PM
I think it was only a 2% raise, but you are correct... Taxes on people like you and I got raised... That's true.

I do wonder and did wonder during all of this discussion why no one said "Hey, that payroll tax cut should be extended."

Why didn't anyone do that I wonder?



Repubs weren't in favor of the original temporary cut

It as the FIRST TIME they found a tax cut they didn't like


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: whork on January 04, 2013, 06:43:39 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/obama-voters-stunned-to-discover-that-they-too-are-millionaires-and-billionaires



Ha ha ha ha

F you liberal morons! 

It doesnt take much to shock an Obama voter ::)

They will get over it.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 06:46:50 PM
It doesnt take much to shock an Obama voter ::)

They will get over it.



apparently Repubs don't understand the meaning of the word Temporary even though it's right there in the title of the bill


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 06:50:31 PM
Repubs weren't in favor of the original temporary cut

It as the FIRST TIME they found a tax cut they didn't like

Money for obamphones , welfare, food stamps, UE, Muslim brotherhood, etc. Workers get fucked by o-pofs


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 07:08:20 PM
apparently Repubs don't understand the meaning of the word Temporary even though it's right there in the title of the bill
first this isnt a rep/dem thing this is a GOVT FUCKING ITS CONSTITUENTS thing

all the tax cuts were temporary strawman, why not make this one permenant?

FACT is ppl are paying more now than a week ago when all the tax cuts were temporary.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: GigantorX on January 04, 2013, 07:17:17 PM
The govt. will come for the the Upper-Middle Class on down to the Lower-Middle Class money soon enough and I really don't think it's up for argument. There will be no spending "cuts" or cuts to future growth, only more spending, printing and taxing.

Taxes will be raised and deductions will be closed. Only a matter of time.

This is what was voted for.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 07:20:49 PM
The govt. will come for the the Upper-Middle Class on down to the Lower-Middle Class money soon enough and I really don't think it's up for argument. There will be no spending "cuts" or cuts to future growth, only more spending, printing and taxing.

Taxes will be raised and deductions will be closed. Only a matter of time.

This is what was voted for.


The funny thing is that they did not even make this public and only die hards like us knew this was coming.  The idiot obama voters had no clue. 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 07:21:41 PM
The govt. will come for the the Upper-Middle Class on down to the Lower-Middle Class money soon enough and I really don't think it's up for argument. There will be no spending "cuts" or cuts to future growth, only more spending, printing and taxing.

Taxes will be raised and deductions will be closed. Only a matter of time.

This is what was voted for.
read and understand this ppl...

whether you feel you voted for this or not, this is the result of what you voted for...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 07:42:35 PM
fair enough

gotta keep in simple for the simpletons

Do you know what the name of the bill that just expired?

The Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011

Then, why don't you explain that to the SIMPLETON Obama voters, who are getting bent out of shape about this tax hike?

Apparently, they got this strange impression that only those EEEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIILLLLL LL rich people would get got. I wonder from where they got that message.  ::)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
Then, why don't you explain that to the SIMPLETON Obama voters, who are getting bent out of shape about this tax hike?

Apparently, they got this strange impression that only those EEEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIILLLLL LL rich people would get got. I wonder from where they got that message.  ::)

I know plenty of them and no one has mentioned it

if you look at 333 retarded link you might understand why this claim is total nonsense (assuming you're not a moron)



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 04, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
I know plenty of them and no one has mentioned it

if you look at 333 retarded link you might understand why this claim is total nonsense (assuming you're not a moron)



That is because the cult of Obama does not care what he does. 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
unless you get paid every week you havent received a paycheck yet to notice.

chances are most ppl didnt even notice as was the case with my co-workers who were upset when I told them about it.

The girl that works next to me said "I thought the deal was supposed to help the middle class"...

think again, big govt fuking over its constituents once again...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: dario73 on January 04, 2013, 08:22:05 PM
Then, why don't you explain that to the SIMPLETON Obama voters, who are getting bent out of shape about this tax hike?

Apparently, they got this strange impression that only those EEEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIILLLLL LL rich people would get got. I wonder from where they got that message.  ::)

Exactly.

The point that the retard Straw keeps missing is that he voted for this. Obama bears as much blame as anyone.

No one earning under $250k was supposed to see any tax increase. You would have thought that the Democrats and Obama would have kept that promise and prevented this from happening.

Now you see the moronic Obama supporters solely blaming the Republicans while giving obama a pass. Stating that the original cuts were permanent. So? If the Dems care so much for the middle class they could have made them permanent.

Nope. Obama and Dems are culpable.

It's 2-3% now. It will be higher soon and even higher later on to pay for Obamacare.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 08:23:57 PM
unless you get paid every week you havent received a paycheck yet to notice.

chances are most ppl didnt even notice as was the case with my co-workers who were upset when I told them about it.

The girl that works next to me said "I thought the deal was supposed to help the middle class"...

think again, big govt fuking over its constituents once again...

That's true. For those who get paid twice a month, their last check was probably on the 28th, the 31st, or the 2nd. Either way, that's December 2012 pay, not January 2013 pay.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
Exactly.

The point that the retard Straw keeps missing is that he voted for this. Obama bears as much blame as anyone.

No one earning under $250k was supposed to see any tax increase. You would have thought that the Democrats and Obama would have kept that promise and prevented this from happening.

Now you see the moronic Obama supporters solely blaming the Republicans while giving obama a pass. Stating that the original cuts were permanent. So? If the Dems care so much for the middle class they could have made them permanent.

Nope. Obama and Dems are culpable.

It's 2-3% now. It will be higher soon and even higher later on to pay for Obamacare.



no one under 400k is seeing any tax increase
 
their payroll tax is no higher than the day Obama took office


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:26:15 PM
That's true. For those who get paid twice a month, their last check was probably on the 28th, the 31st, or the 2nd. Either way, that's December 2012 pay, not January 2013 pay.
yup at my work we get paid every week so everyone was able to get a first hand view of the effects of big govt today.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 08:26:26 PM
Exactly.

The point that the retard Straw keeps missing is that he voted for this. Obama bears as much blame as anyone.

No one earning under $250k was supposed to see any tax increase. You would have thought that the Democrats and Obama would have kept that promise and prevented this from happening.

Now you see the moronic Obama supporters solely blaming the Republicans while giving obama a pass. Stating that the original cuts were permanent. So? If the Dems care so much for the middle class they could have made them permanent.

Nope. Obama and Dems are culpable.

It's 2-3% now. It will be higher soon and even higher later on to pay for Obamacare.



Straw would have you believe that he and his fellow Obama-voting buddies saw this coming and gleefully voted for a tax hike (or "expiration of the discount", as he calls it).

But the withholding tax isn't the only one that hits the middle class.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:28:12 PM
Straw would have you believe that he and his fellow Obama-voting buddies saw this coming and gleefully voted for a tax hike (or "expiration of the discount", as he calls it).

But the withholding tax isn't the only one that hits the middle class.

there was no tax hike on people under 400k

I know you need something to piss and moan about so go right ahead but you could make a bit of effort to find something real


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 08:28:45 PM
no one under 400k is seeing any tax increase

Yes, they are. Among the tax hikes is that little monstrosity, known as ObamaCare.
 



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:29:20 PM
no one under 400k is seeing any tax increase
 
their payroll tax is no higher than the day Obama took office

LMFAO not even you believe that...

are ppl paying more in taxes than a week ago?

the tax cut may have been temporary but the tax rate has increased since last week even if you want to make a distinction without a difference and say that the tax cut just expired the end result is us paying a higher % than last week.

no way of getting around it straw, were paying a higher % of payroll taxes than last week.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:29:54 PM
Yes, they are. Among the tax hikes is that little monstrosity, known as ObamaCare.
 

no they are not but you gave me a laugh the the use of monstrosity

you need to get some perspective in your life



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 08:30:37 PM
there was no tax hike on people under 400k

I know you need something to piss and moan about so go right ahead but you could make a bit of effort to find something real

Apparently, your fellow Obama worshippers are also doing that "piss and moan" routine. Why don't you tell them that they're not really getting bilked.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
LMFAO not even you believe that...

are ppl paying more in taxes than a week ago?

the tax cut may have been temporary but the tax rate has increased since last week even if you want to make a distinction without a difference and say that the tax cut just expired the end result is us paying a higher % than last week.

no way of getting around it straw, were paying a higher % of payroll taxes than last week.

of course I believe it and don't be such an idiot as to tell me what I do and don't believe

if anything you know I say exactly what I belive


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:31:44 PM
Apparently, your fellow Obama worshippers are also doing that "piss and moan" routine. Why don't you tell them that they're not really getting bilked.

like I already said, I haven't met one yet

who am I supposed to tell?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
of course I believe it and don't be such an idiot as to tell me what I do and don't believe

if anything you know I say exactly what I belive
remember the rules libtard

are we paying a higher % in payroll taxes than last week strawman?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:33:05 PM
remember the rules libtard

are we paying a higher % in payroll taxes than last week strawman?

what rule did I break?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:34:15 PM
what rule did I break?
answer the question

are we paying a higher % for payroll taxes than last week?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 08:34:28 PM
LMFAO not even you believe that...

He does believe that. The concept of Obama, lying through his teeth to secure his vote, only to fiscally shank him and his fellow liberals (once it's politically safe) hasn't quite registered.


are ppl paying more in taxes than a week ago?

the tax cut may have been temporary but the tax rate has increased since last week even if you want to make a distinction without a difference and say that the tax cut just expired the end result is us paying a higher % than last week.

no way of getting around it straw, were paying a higher % of payroll taxes than last week.

Tack on ObamaCare and the cost of good and services that will be passed onto the consumer; and, there you have it. But, that's liberal fare for you. The way you get them to vote for tax hikes on themselves is to call them anything and everything BUT tax hikes (except when they're on those EEEEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLL rich people).


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:39:30 PM
He does believe that. The concept of Obama, lying through his teeth to secure his vote, only to fiscally shank him and his fellow liberals (once it's politically safe) hasn't quite registered.

Tack on ObamaCare and the cost of good and services that will be passed onto the consumer; and, there you have it. But, that's liberal fare for you. The way you get them to vote for tax hikes on themselves is to call them anything and everything BUT tax hikes (except when they're on those EEEEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLL rich people).
LOL no doubt...

so we are paying more for payroll taxes now than we have for the last 10 years but there hasnt been an increase in the tax rates.

Were paying a higher % now than a week ago but the tax rate has stayed the same, right straw?

LMFAO


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:41:26 PM
answer the question

are we paying a higher % for payroll taxes than last week?

if I give you a temporary price cut and then it expires did I RAISE prices

again, if you want to piss and moan and pretend or even actually believe Obama raised your taxes then go right ahead

I think I've made it clear I don't agree with you


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
if I give you a temporary price cut and then it expires did I RAISE prices

again, if you want to piss and moan and pretend or even actually believe Obama raised your taxes then go right ahead

I think I've made it clear I don't agree with you
yes, lol you RAISED the price back to its original level.

an increase in price is still an increase in price no matter how it happens. FACT IS WE ARE PAYING A HIGHER % THAN LAST WEEK...THE % WE ARE PAYING HAS INCREASED SINCE LAST WEEK!!!

you CANNOT DISAGREE WITH THAT LMFAO

ok so obama didnt make the payroll tax cut permenant like he did the others, why?

obama let the payroll tax cut expire...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:51:22 PM
yes, lol you RAISED the price back to its original level.

an increase in price is still an increase in price no matter how it happens. FACT IS WE ARE PAYING A HIGHER % THAN LAST WEEK...THE % WE ARE PAYING HAS INCREASED SINCE LAST WEEK!!!

you CANNOT DISAGREE WITH THAT LMFAO

ok so obama didnt make the payroll tax cut permenant like he did the others, why?

obama let the payroll tax cut expire...

that is not a raise/rise in prices

if you don't understand this by now then there's is really nothing more to say


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:52:42 PM
by the way im not just blaming obama but to think that obama isnt responsible for this at all is just ignorant.

This is a big ineffecient govt thing not a rep/dem thing, WE ALL GET FUCKED IN THIS DEAL...WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
by the way im not just blaming obama but to think that obama isnt responsible for this at all is just ignorant.

This is a big ineffecient govt thing not a rep/dem thing, WE ALL GET FUCKED IN THIS DEAL...WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

lol

why all the caps ?

are you angry ?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 08:54:21 PM
that is not a raise/rise in prices

if you don't understand this by now then there's is really nothing more to say
so there was no increase/rise in tax rates from this week to last week but we are still paying a higher %...got it


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
so there was no increase/rise in tax rates from this week to last week but we are still paying a higher %...got it

there is no tax increase

haven't I made position on that clear ?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 08:56:29 PM
lol

why all the caps ?

are you angry ?

You really expect him to be happy about higher taxes and less money in his pocket, with more fiscal destruction on the horizon?



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 08:59:35 PM
You really expect him to be happy about higher taxes and less money in his pocket, with more fiscal destruction on the horizon?

this is the kind of statement that is just dumb (as in stupid) because I've said many times that we should have let all the Bush tax cuts expire so obviously I'm fine with higher marginal tax rates

I guess I should be happy that Obama has extended all Bush era tax cuts  < 400k (single person)permanently

so....what is there for me to be unhappy about ?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 09:00:11 PM
there is no tax increase

haven't I made position on that clear ?
hahah yet we are still paying a higher % than last week...

its a distinction without a difference...obama/congress let this tax rate expire meaning that we are now paying a higher % than we have for the last 10 years...

our taxes are higher, there is less take home pay...your splitting hairs doesnt change any of that.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
hahah yet we are still paying a higher % than last week...

its a distinction without a difference...obama/congress let this tax rate expire meaning that we are now paying a higher % than we have for the last 10 years...

our taxes are higher, there is less take home pay...your splitting hairs doesnt change any of that.

exactly

you do get it at least for brief moments


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 09:07:28 PM
exactly

you do get it at least for brief moments
haha i got it from the moment you spouted it, which is why I dont understand why youre making such a big deal about it.

Were paying a higher % than the last 10 years, we have less money in our take home pay now.

Obama/congress could have made this permenant just like they did the others. They decided to let it return to pre bush rates taking more money out of our hands and causing business cost per employee to increase.

All the while spending more and more with no real intention of cutting spending.

and you sit here and split hairs ::)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 04, 2013, 09:09:44 PM
this is the kind of statement that is just dumb (as in stupid) because I've said many times that we should have let all the Bush tax cuts expire so obviously I'm fine with higher marginal tax rates

I guess I should be happy that Obama has extended all Bush era tax cuts  < 400k (single person)permanently

so....what is there for me to be unhappy about ?


THIS is the kind of statement that is just dumb (as in mind-boggling, bone-headedly STUPID), because I didn't ask if YOU were happy about Obama's lying through his teeth and bilking folks out of their money.

I asked if you expect HIM (as in Tony) to be happy with this mess.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 04, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
haha i got it from the moment you spouted it, which is why I dont understand why youre making such a big deal about it.

Were paying a higher % than the last 10 years, we have less money in our take home pay now.

Obama/congress could have made this permenant just like they did the others. They decided to let it return to pre bush rates taking more money out of our hands and causing business cost per employee to increase.

All the while spending more and more with no real intention of cutting spending.

and you sit here and split hairs ::)

no you are not


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 04, 2013, 09:31:09 PM
no you are not
really when did the tax cut get put in place then?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 04, 2013, 11:11:21 PM
no one under 400k is seeing any tax increase
 
their payroll tax is no higher than the day Obama took office


It is higher than it was last week... That's a fact.

Many people who have seen their first paychecks of the year are saying that the money is less.

I am quite certain I will lose some myself.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 12:47:01 AM
It is higher than it was last week... That's a fact.

Many people who have seen their first paychecks of the year are saying that the money is less.

I am quite certain I will lose some myself.
Straw is right, it's higher now because of the experation of a temporary break which means it's not actually higher.  It's back to what it was.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/expired-payroll-tax-cut-means-most-to-pay-more-in-2013-1.1425009


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 01:09:01 AM
Straw is right, it's higher now because of the experation of a temporary break which means it's not actually higher.  It's back to what it was.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/expired-payroll-tax-cut-means-most-to-pay-more-in-2013-1.1425009
Straw is right, it's higher now because of the experation of a temporary break which means it's not actually higher.  It's back to what it was.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/expired-payroll-tax-cut-means-most-to-pay-more-in-2013-1.1425009

I understand that.

However, if you are fighting to make tax breaks on the middle class permanent, why not fight for the payroll tax reduction as well?

Yes. It is the same as the day Obama took office.

It's still more than it was last week.

Right?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 01:21:43 AM
I understand that.

However, if you are fighting to make tax breaks on the middle class permanent, why not fight for the payroll tax reduction as well?

Yes. It is the same as the day Obama took office.

It's still more than it was last week.

Right?
well yea, it's higher than it was last week lol...  The only think I was saying was that what straw stated on the board is true.  I wasn't trying to evaluate why they didn't become permanent or who's fault that is.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: GigantorX on January 05, 2013, 08:46:48 AM
The semantical arguments are funny.

The fact is that the payroll tax holiday was a horrible, misguided and dumb idea.

Now it goes from 4.2% back to 6.2% doesn't take away the fact that the employee payroll tax rate went up. It's also a very, very regressive tax so this doesn't help anyone.

In the end, taxes went up for everyone, taxes will continue to rise for everyone as government continues to grow and suck up resources. The next Debt Ceiling Farce will give us a clearer picture of just how much the government wants to rape us. As I said before, this was only the beginning....taxes are going up, deductions will start to be closed and when that doesn't do the trick they will begin to come for anything that has a store of wealth.

This is what was voted for.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: whork on January 05, 2013, 08:49:11 AM
I voted for Ron Paul - dont blame me 

You supported the backstabbing of RP at the convention so he should blame you.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 09:08:37 AM
If Obama felt all of the tax rates were temporary - why did he not fight to make this permanent? 


He lied and is engaging in his usual scams by forcing workers to pay for more druggies and dopers who are enrolling in SSDI as well as the new flood of people soon to be on medicaid. 

F Obama!  He is disgusting 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 09:11:44 AM
Straw is right, it's higher now because of the experation of a temporary break which means it's not actually higher.  It's back to what it was.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/expired-payroll-tax-cut-means-most-to-pay-more-in-2013-1.1425009

they all know that

they just have an irrational need to find something, anything to get mad at Obama about and since they have nothing valid they need to make shit up

totally pathetic when you think about it


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 09:18:35 AM
they all know that

they just have an irrational need to find something, anything to get mad at Obama about and since they have nothing valid they need to make shit up

totally pathetic when you think about it

LOL.   So why didnt obama fight to make that one permanent considering he argued the same thing about the evil tax rates for the rich?  

Why?  Because o-THUG is a lying snake and a fraud and a con man.  


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 09:22:13 AM
The semantical arguments are funny.

The fact is that the payroll tax holiday was a horrible, misguided and dumb idea.

Now it goes from 4.2% back to 6.2% doesn't take away the fact that the employee payroll tax rate went up. It's also a very, very regressive tax so this doesn't help anyone.

In the end, taxes went up for everyone, taxes will continue to rise for everyone as government continues to grow and suck up resources. The next Debt Ceiling Farce will give us a clearer picture of just how much the government wants to rape us. As I said before, this was only the beginning....taxes are going up, deductions will start to be closed and when that doesn't do the trick they will begin to come for anything that has a store of wealth.

This is what was voted for.


Romney proposed a hell of a lot more cuts to deductions than Obama.  Not saying Obama was the right choice but just saying on that point.  And I didn't vote Obama this time.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 09:24:01 AM
like i said before they're     fox news smart     when you get all your information from foxs news and hate radio this is what you get oh and Egyptian papers   :D :D :D :D :D

If  O-TWINK was arguing that all tax rates were temporary and he only fought to keep some rates permanent - why did he not fight to keep this permanent too and not have people taking home less money each week.  

And what is funny - the money is going to fund the drug addicts, worthless deadbeats, alchies, etc going on SSDI, not shoring up the system.  

F Obama!   



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 09:25:46 AM
If Obama felt all of the tax rates were temporary - why did he not fight to make this permanent?


He lied and is engaging in his usual scams by forcing workers to pay for more druggies and dopers who are enrolling in SSDI as well as the new flood of people soon to be on medicaid.  

F Obama!   

jesus this might be one of the dumbest sentences you've ever written

http://www.ssa.gov/legislation/legis_bulletin_122811.html


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 09:28:46 AM
jesus this might be one of the dumbest sentences you've ever written

http://www.ssa.gov/legislation/legis_bulletin_122811.html

Obama lied - peoples' paychecks died. 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 09:33:16 AM
Obama lied - peoples' paychecks died. 
It was orginally intended and stated to be temporary.  How is that a lie?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 09:35:56 AM
Debate people...  cut back on the one line insults and make points then debate the points made.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 09:36:24 AM
It was orginally intended and stated to be temporary.  How is that a lie?

Its not a lie - but so were all the Bush tax rates right?  Obama fought to keep some permanent and others go up correct?  

Why not this too since all of these people make less than 250k a year and now will be taking home less $$$$$ as other taxes and ObamaCare kick in?


Obama knows that he has a base who never question him and never imagined or were informed that their paychecks would shrink.   He knew if he was honest about it - he would not get away w his lies and deceptions.

I really am enjoying seeing liberals have their paychecks eaten away while obama puts more people on SSDI and food stamps.  THEY VOTED FOR THIS!


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: GigantorX on January 05, 2013, 09:38:11 AM
Romney proposed a hell of a lot more cuts to deductions than Obama.  Not saying Obama was the right choice but just saying on that point.  And I didn't vote Obama this time.

I never said you did and I understand about Romney.

Neither had/has an actual solution. The disaster we are currently in the throes of is evidence of that. I mean, who thinks it's a great idea to cut someones taxes 2% and then raise them back up at the end of some arbitrary time period? This is all window dressing. It makes little sense.

I will restate my guess that the Debt Ceiling Theater will give us a much clearer picture of how much government  is going to grow and how much we are truly fucked.

This doesn't end well.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 09:50:08 AM
Its not a lie - but so were all the Bush tax rates right?  Obama fought to keep some permanent and others go up correct?  

Why not this too since all of these people make less than 250k a year and now will be taking home less $$$$$ as other taxes and ObamaCare kick in?


Obama knows that he has a base who never question him and never imagined or were informed that their paychecks would shrink.   He knew if he was honest about it - he would not get away w his lies and deceptions.

I really am enjoying seeing liberals have their paychecks eaten away while obama puts more people on SSDI and food stamps.  THEY VOTED FOR THIS!
dude, I don't have a full accounting of what they pushed for then conceded during this fiscal cliff fight and I doubt you do either.  That shit went back and forth so many times in a short period of time.  I'm not going to make claims for what was wanted by who other than the major points we all know about.  I'm not sure how you can.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 09:52:08 AM
dude, I don't have a full accounting of what they pushed for then conceded during this fiscal cliff fight and I doubt you do either.  That shit went back and forth so many times in a short period of time.  I'm not going to make claims for what was wanted by who other than the major points we all know about.  I'm not sure how you can.

I know that Obama did not warn about this to his voters and supporters right? 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 09:53:55 AM
I never said you did and I understand about Romney.

Neither had/has an actual solution. The disaster we are currently in the throes of is evidence of that. I mean, who thinks it's a great idea to cut someones taxes 2% and then raise them back up at the end of some arbitrary time period? This is all window dressing. It makes little sense.

I will restate my guess that the Debt Ceiling Theater will give us a much clearer picture of how much government  is going to grow and how much we are truly fucked.

This doesn't end well.
sorry, I just added the "I didn't vote for Obama" thing because I got so much shit for doing it the first time ;D  Just in case someone thought I was supporting Obama lol... I wanted to duck the rocks before they were thrown lol


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 09:59:58 AM
I know that Obama did not warn about this to his voters and supporters right? 
I think the general idea of something signed into law with a temporary fixed ending that was announced to the people is that you expect it to end unless it's extended.  We're not idiots. I expect him to tell us if he's extending it, not that it was going to end when planned ::)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 10:01:18 AM
I think the general idea of something signed into law with a temporary fixed ending that was announced to the people is that you expect it to end unless it's extended.  We're not idiots. I expect him to tell us if he's extending it, not that it was going to end when planned ::)

Ok - how about this -

Obama fought to extend the TEMPORARY UE benefits right?   YES OR NO? 

Why didnt he fight for this as well? 




Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 10:10:01 AM
Ok - how about this -

Obama fought to extend the TEMPORARY UE benefits right?   YES OR NO? 

Why didnt he fight for this as well? 



I don't know, maybe because he only got half the deal he wanted in the fiscal cliff fiasco.

You're odd, I thought you wanted these lower life forms to be paying more?  You've said that in the past.  Shouldn't you be thanking Obama then? lol


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 10:14:34 AM
I know that Obama did not warn about this to his voters and supporters right? 

you know NOTHING as usual

the name of the legislation was: 

 H.R. 3765 The “Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011”


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
you know NOTHING as usual

the name of the legislation was: 

 H.R. 3765 The “Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011”

So why no continue it so workers under 250k a year keep their paycheck going and not having to pay more like obama kept railing about over and over and over and over and over. 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 10:18:25 AM
wait a second... Now that I think about it...  3333, how do you say supporting the extention of unemployment benefits is on the same level with not continuing a temporary break in payroll taxes?  I think you have to explain that one more than me lol...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 10:20:54 AM
wait a second... Now that I think about it...  3333, how do you say supporting the extention of unemployment benefits is on the same level with not continuing a temporary break in payroll taxes?  I think you have to explain that one more than me lol...

I'm saying that obama went to bat for certain things and not for others showing where his priorities are. 

The deal he pushed for is a scam and does nothing at all but keep the welfare thugs going, hollywood rich, nascar getting breaks, etc, w a token increase on a few high income people - while doing not a fucking thing for the average guy. 

Personally - I would end UE altogether and cancel SS and Medicare and medicade 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2013, 10:27:38 AM
UE altogether and cancel SS and Medicare and medicade 
Run for office and see how far that platform gets you ;D  I think a large portion of registered republicans would even say fuck that.

If you get rid of these, you don't just cancel them.  You have to phase them out over a long period of time and you better have a good direction to send people in as well as having the fucking balls to put checks on related companies in the process.  It wouldn't be easy.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 10:36:36 AM
Run for office and see how far that platform gets you ;D  I think a large portion of registered republicans would even say fuck that.

If you get rid of these, you don't just cancel them.  You have to phase them out over a long period of time and you better have a good direction to send people in as well as having the fucking balls to put checks on related companies in the process.  It wouldn't be easy.

Agreed - I could not get elected dog catcher and I know that.   


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Mr.1derful on January 05, 2013, 10:45:59 AM
Agreed - I could not get elected dog catcher and I know that.   

Just give out free phones, you'll get elected in a heart beat.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 05, 2013, 10:49:40 AM
Just give out free phones, you'll get elected in a heart beat.

True - and condoms and birth control 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 01:23:25 PM
the rates were paying didnt increase but were paying more now than last week...GOT IT ;) ::)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
the rates were paying didnt increase but were paying more now than last week...GOT IT ;) ::)

I agree with you... at a basic level, everyone's paycheck is going to have less net than it did a week ago.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
I agree with you... at a basic level, everyone's paycheck is going to have less net than it did a week ago.

dont worry im sure when everyone hears that it was just an expiration of tax cuts and that the rates really havent gone up it will make them all feel better.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 01:57:58 PM
dont worry im sure when everyone hears that it was just an expiration of tax cuts and that the rates really havent gone up it will make them all feel better.
Whatever the "cause", it's less money in everyone's pocket from this year compared to last year... That's just the plain and simple fact of it.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 02:01:36 PM
you know NOTHING as usual

the name of the legislation was:  

 H.R. 3765 The “Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011”

And apparently, most Obama voters know nothing, as usual. You really think they actually know the name and number title of this particular bill?

Do you really think, if the Obama-worshipping media had actually put out that this "expiration of a discount" were coming, they would have gleefully voted for Obama without asking that this "discount" be made permanent?

No matter how you try and spin it, Straw, Obama and his minions lied through their teeth by painting the picture that ONLY those EEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLL rich people would have their taxes go up.

You think the "rich" are saying, "Well, it's really not a tax hike; it's just an 'expiration of a discount', because the tax rate is back to what it was in the late 90s/early 2000s?"

So much for intellectual honesty, on your end.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
And apparently, most Obama voters know nothing, as usual. You really think they actually know the name and number title of this particular bill?

Do you really think, if the Obama-worshipping media had actually put out that this "expiration of a discount" were coming, they would have gleefully voted for Obama without asking that this be made permanent?

No matter how you try and spin it, Straw, Obama and his minions lied through their teeth by painting the picture that ONLY those EEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLL rich people would have their taxes go up.

You think the "rich" are saying, "Well, it's really not a tax hike; it's just an 'expiration of a discount', because the tax rate is back to what it was in the late 90s/early 2000s?"

So much for intellectual honesty, on your end.

Good comparison...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 02:09:40 PM
Whatever the "cause", it's less money in everyone's pocket from this year compared to last year... That's just the plain and simple fact of it.

EXACTLY!! And, you knew Obama isn't about just taxing the "millionaires and billionaires", because he rejected Boehner's Plan B (which was really Pelosi's plan, warmed over, hiking rates on those making at least $1 million), "as if those making $900,000 can't afford to pay a little bit more"

Obama and his liberal goons want this floating term of "fair share" and "rich", so they can bleed whomever they like, when Washington doesn't get enough money. When he doesn't get enough from millionaires and billionaires, he lowers the income bar.

And that bar will be (and has been) lowered to hit the middle class, especially once Obama's rich benefactors and supporters have carved their emergency exits out of this crap.

As I said weeks ago: It always starts with the rich; but, it never ends with the rich.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 02:10:38 PM
Good comparison...

That's been my point from the get-go. Straw can't quite see that, due to his being infected with Chris Matthews' disease.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 02:14:12 PM
That's been my point from the get-go. Straw can't quite see that, due to his being infected with Chris Matthews' disease.

Grrr... God do I hate that guy!


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 02:17:40 PM
Grrr... God do I hate that guy!

But, I do have one correction to make: There was ONE Obama-worshipping minion, who actually told the truth about the left's intentions: Howard Dean.

He flat-out stated that taxes had to go up on EVERYBODY, in order to solve our fiscal problems (which won't work, of course).

Had Obama run on his true intentions, he would have lost to Romney, despite the less-than-stellar (which is being gracious) campaign run by the former Mass. governor.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: whork on January 05, 2013, 02:19:30 PM
EXACTLY!! And, you knew Obama isn't about just taxing the "millionaires and billionaires", because he rejected Boehner's Plan B (which was really Pelosi's plan, warmed over, hiking rates on those making at least $1 million), "as if those making $900,000 can't afford to pay a little bit more"

Obama and his liberal goons want this floating term of "fair share" and "rich", so they can bleed whomever they like, when Washington doesn't get enough money. When he doesn't get enough from millionaires and billionaires, he lowers the income bar.

And that bar will be (and has been) lowered to hit the middle class, especially once Obama's rich benefactors and supporters have carved their emergency exits out of this crap.

As I said weeks ago: It always starts with the rich; but, it never ends with the rich.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
True - and condoms and birth control 

And back in reality Obama never promised any free phones or condoms but he did promise to raise taxes on the wealthy.   I guess thats why he got re-elected


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 02:36:21 PM
And back in reality Obama never promised any free phones or condoms but he did promise to raise taxes on the wealthy.   I guess thats why he got re-elected

Wait... let me make sure I understand what you are saying.

You're saying that letting the Bush Tax cuts expire is "raising taxes on the wealthy", but letting the temporary payroll cut expire is NOT raising taxes on the middle class as well?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
And apparently, most Obama voters know nothing, as usual. You really think they actually know the name and number title of this particular bill?

Do you really think, if the Obama-worshipping media had actually put out that this "expiration of a discount" were coming, they would have gleefully voted for Obama without asking that this "discount" be made permanent?

No matter how you try and spin it, Straw, Obama and his minions lied through their teeth by painting the picture that ONLY those EEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLL rich people would have their taxes go up.

You think the "rich" are saying, "Well, it's really not a tax hike; it's just an 'expiration of a discount', because the tax rate is back to what it was in the late 90s/early 2000s?"

So much for intellectual honesty, on your end.

Is this post supposed to be a joke?

go find the name of the bill and tell me what it is.

btw  - does no one here remeber when this thing was passed?
It was ALWAYS made clear it was temporary

people on this boatd are acting like that was some kind of secret

This entire thread is baffling in its stupidity


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 02:46:12 PM
Wait... let me make sure I understand what you are saying.

You're saying that letting the Bush Tax cuts expire is "raising taxes on the wealthy", but letting the temporary payroll cut expire is NOT raising taxes on the middle class as well?

Good point.

since both were a temporary discount designed to expire you could say no ones taxes are going up and since the Bush tax cuts expired youncan also say that Obama (and dems and repubs) gave a new tax cut to everyone below 400k


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 02:49:24 PM
Good point.

since both were a temporary discount designed to expire you could say no ones taxes are going up and since the Bush tax cuts expired youncan also say that Obama (and dems and repubs) gave a new tax cut to everyone below 400k

I didn't say anything...

You said that the expirations were a "promise to raise taxes on the wealthy".

So you are changing your stance as to what the expirations were, correct?

Just making sure I understand and we are on the same page.

I personally believe you were correct in your first statement... expirations are causing people to lose "NET" funds. Ergo, they are a tax increase.

I believe that for both groups.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 02:55:53 PM
I didn't say anything...

You said that the expirations were a "promise to raise taxes on the wealthy".

So you are changing your stance as to what the expirations were, correct?

Just making sure I understand and we are on the same page.

I personally believe you were correct in your first statement... expirations are causing people to lose "NET" funds. Ergo, they are a tax increase.

I believe that for both groups.

You right.

Obama did not keep that promise.
the temporary discount known as the bush tax cuts expired and the Obama and Dems and Repubs gave people making under 400k a new permanent tax cut

Obama did not raise taxes on anyone



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 02:56:55 PM
Is this post supposed to be a joke?

The joke would be your ridiculous posts here.


go find the name of the bill and tell me what it is.

btw  - does no one here remeber when this thing was passed?
It was ALWAYS made clear it was temporary

people on this boatd are acting like that was some kind of secret

This entire thread is baffling in its stupidity

This thread is baffled by YOUR stupidity. The question was asked do you think OBAMA VOTERS actually went for Obama again, knowing this mess was going to happen?

In case you forgot, genius, we conservatives KNEW Obama's tax hikes would not be limited to the rich. That's why we voted for Romney, warts and all.

We are hardly surprised that this is taking place, perhaps surprised that the fiscal sodomizing of the American people is well underway barely a week into 2013.

And back in reality Obama never promised any free phones or condoms but he did promise to raise taxes on the wealthy.   I guess thats why he got re-elected

He promised that, WITHOUT raising taxes on the middle class. He raised taxes on the middle class, despite your pitiful euphemisms, in a pathetic attempt to disguise the obvious. Hence, he is a liar and you and your Obama-voting buddies are card-carrying suckers.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
The joke would be your ridiculous posts here.

This thread is baffled by YOUR stupidity. The question was asked do you think OBAMA VOTERS actually went for Obama again, knowing this mess was going to happen?

In case you forgot, genius, we conservatives KNEW Obama's tax hikes would not be limited to the rich. That's why we voted for Romney, warts and all.

We are hardly surprised that this is taking place, perhaps surprised that the fiscal sodomizing of the American people is well underway barely a week into 2013.

He promised that, WITHOUT raising taxes on the middle class. He raised taxes on the middle class, despite your pitiful euphemisms, in a pathetic attempt to disguise the obvious. Hence, he is a liar and you and your Obama-voting buddies are card-carrying suckers.



what was the name of the bill?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 02:59:57 PM
You right.

Obama did not keep that promise.

Obama didn't keep a lot of promises. Yet, you have tons of excuses for those, as well.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 04:05:58 PM
Can the political aficionados on this board please explain how they remained totally ignorant to the fact the the payroll tax cut was temporary (McWay and 333 don't need to answer as I already know how they continue to remain ignorant of things like this - i.e. know well know public facts)

Here's the story of the Wall Street Journal in December of 2010

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704156304576003441518282986.html

In true GB.com fashion you don't even have to bother reading the article
The headline will do just fine


Deal Struck on Tax Package
Grand Bargain Includes One-Year Drop in Wage Levy, Estate Tax of 35%


Since the payroll tax cut was only supposed to last for a year the Dems and Obama had to push for an extension

The legislation that extended the payroll tax for another year was H.R 3765


H.R.3765 -- Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate]

Here's a link to the text of the bill (hey McWay - make note of the title of the bill)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:1:./temp/~c112hFEmDG::


None of this should really be necessary since it was extensively talked about in the media BOTH TIMES as being a temporary tax break

If anyone was not aware of this then they only have their own ignorance to blame


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 04:31:32 PM
And apparently, most Obama voters know nothing, as usual. You really think they actually know the name and number title of this particular bill?

Do you really think, if the Obama-worshipping media had actually put out that this "expiration of a discount" were coming, they would have gleefully voted for Obama without asking that this "discount" be made permanent?

No matter how you try and spin it, Straw, Obama and his minions lied through their teeth by painting the picture that ONLY those EEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLL rich people would have their taxes go up.

You think the "rich" are saying, "Well, it's really not a tax hike; it's just an 'expiration of a discount', because the tax rate is back to what it was in the late 90s/early 2000s?"

So much for intellectual honesty, on your end.

if you actually made even the slightest effort to pay attention you would have seen the "temporary" part of the story all over the media

I actually remembered it from the time so I didn't need to remind myself but here is some examples of the the media apparently hid this fact from you:

Once again, for the attentionally challenged - you don't even need to read past the headlines though of course reading the article would be better

Senate Leaders Agree on 2-Month Extension of Payroll Tax Cut
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/us/politics/boehner-ties-oil-pipeline-to-payroll-tax-bill.html?_r=0

Payroll Tax Cut Temporarily Extended into 2012
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Payroll-Tax-Cut-Temporarily-Extended-into-2012

Payroll Tax Cut Extended to the End of 2012
http://www.examiner.com/article/payroll-tax-cut-extended-to-the-end-of-2012

Pelosi: Don't extend payroll tax cut next year
http://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-dont-extend-payroll-tax-cut-next-205645408--election.html

Payroll tax cut in its last lap?
http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/29/news/economy/payroll-tax-cut/index.htm

Temporary 2012 Payroll Tax Cut Extension – Obama Extends Social Security Tax Cut
http://www.taxesandstuff.com/2011/12/temporary-2012-payroll-tax-cut-extension-obama-extends-social-security-tax-cut/


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 04:31:55 PM
Can the political aficionados on this board please explain how they remained totally ignorant to the fact the the payroll tax cut was temporary (McWay and 333 don't need to answer as I already know how they continue to remain ignorant of things like this - i.e. know well know public facts)

Here's the story of the Wall Street Journal in December of 2010

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704156304576003441518282986.html

In true GB.com fashion you don't even have to bother reading the article
The headline will do just fine


Deal Struck on Tax Package
Grand Bargain Includes One-Year Drop in Wage Levy, Estate Tax of 35%


Since the payroll tax cut was only supposed to last for a year the Dems and Obama had to push for an extension

The legislation that extended the payroll tax for another year was H.R 3765


H.R.3765 -- Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate]

Here's a link to the text of the bill (hey McWay - make note of the title of the bill)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:1:./temp/~c112hFEmDG::


None of this should really be necessary since it was extensively talked about in the media BOTH TIMES as being a temporary tax break

If anyone was not aware of this then they only have their own ignorance to blame


Can the clueless and sometimes cowardly Straw Man please answer the question as to how the Obama voters, not those who saw this crap coming a mile away, but the OBAMA VOTERS knew this was coming (as in Obama campaigning on it, as part of his promise to stick it to the rich), voted for it anyway, yet are now blubbering about their money getting yanked from them?

You see. Straw has trouble reading at times, as he thinks those who voted for Romney (or at least, against Obama) are surprised that this took place, even though the title of 333386's thread is: OBAMA VOTERS In State of Shock as 2% Withholding Hike Takes Hold


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 04:40:40 PM
Can the clueless and sometimes cowardly Straw Man please answer the question as to how the Obama voters, not those who saw this crap coming a mile away, but the OBAMA VOTERS knew this was coming (as in Obama campaigning on it, as part of his promise to stick it to the rich), voted for it anyway, yet are now blubbering about their money getting yanked from them?

You see. Straw has trouble reading at times, as he thinks those who voted for Romney (or at least, against Obama) are surprised that this took place, even though the title of 333386's thread is: OBAMA VOTERS In State of Shock as 2% Withholding Hike Takes Hold

what makes the abundantly stupid poster think that the majority of people did not know the temporary payroll tax was set to expired.   Heck they even saw it about to expire at the end of 2011 and saw it extended for 2 month in 2012 and then again for the rest of 2012

How could ANYONE not know about it

Why do you assume the vast majority of Obama voter didn't know about it

No such proof has been offered

All I see is  1 tweet on page 1 and that person could just be really stupid and uninformed like some of the posters on this thread and they may not even be real Obama voters

where you do come up with the unsubstantiated claims and then just expect people to take them at face value?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 04:47:18 PM
what makes the abundantly stupid poster think that the majority of people did not know the temporary payroll tax was set to expired.   Heck they even saw it about to expire at the end of 2011 and saw it extended for 2 month in 2012 and then again for the rest of 2012

How could ANYONE not know about it

Why do you assume the vast majority of Obama voter didn't know about it

No such proof has been offered

All I see are a few anonymous tweets on page 1 and those people could just be really stupid and uninformed like some of the posters on this thread and they may not even be real Obama voters

where you do come up with the unsubstantiated claims and then just expect to take them at face value?


This is hardly the lone story on this issue; and, as Tony indicated, a number of folks have yet to receive their first 2013 check.

Yet, you keep running your mouth, acting as if I, 333386, Tony or others who voted for Romney/against Obama didn't know this was coming. We did, which is why we voted the way we did (for those who voted).

We are referring to those who bought Obama's BS about merely hiking taxes on the rich, only to find themselves lighter in the wallet, as a result.

Even in this economy, clues are cheap. Try getting one.




Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 04:51:37 PM
This is hardly the lone story on this issue; and, as Tony indicated, a number of folks have yet to receive their first 2013 check.

Yet, you keep running your mouth, acting as if I, 333386, Tony or others who voted for Romney/against Obama didn't know this was coming. We did, which is why we voted the way we did (for those who voted).

We are referring to those who bought Obama's BS about merely hiking taxes on the rich, only to find themselves lighter in the wallet, as a result.

Even in this economy, clues are cheap. Try getting one.




oh really, so you and Tony and 333 voted against Obama because the temporary payroll tax cut was going to expire

can you show me any posts where you said this

Also, if you three less then brilliant people knew then why do you think an abundance of Obama voters didn't know (again - you've offered zero proof and just made the claim)

I knew about it because I paid attention and it was clearly stated as a TEMPORARY REDUCTION from the very beginning

BTW - I don't remember Romney saying anything about extending it so why would you vote for him.....again, I'm assuming you were being honest in your statement above and just not talking out of your ass as usual


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 04:58:06 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/obama-voters-stunned-to-discover-that-they-too-are-millionaires-and-billionaires

Ha ha ha ha

F you liberal morons! 

speaking of morons

The entire premise of this thread it based on 1 TWEET by 1 person who may or may not be an Obama voter

that's all it takes to make the fallacious claim "Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold"

and then certain morons on this board run with it and even double down on it and can't understand why everyone just doesn't agree with them


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 05:09:28 PM
oh really, so you and Tony and 333 voted against Obama because the temporary payroll tax cut was going to expire

can you show me any posts where you said this

We've said for months that taxes would go up, if Obama got re-elected. I made a thread to that effect. And those taxes are UP. All Obama is doing is the same thing YOU'RE doing: Using flowery euphemisms and other BS to deflect from the obvious.
 
Such as:"You know my top priority has been preventing a tax hike that could have hit 98% of all Americans in 2013. Because the last thing middle-class families can afford right now would be to pay upwards of $2,000 more in taxes this year. - President Obama, Jan. 2

Instead, middle-class families will be paying around $1500 more per year....YAAAAAAY!!!!!!  ::)

Obama's campaign screamed at near full lung capacity that taxes would only go up on the rich. We knew that was bogus and this (not to mention ObamaCare) shows we were right. And unfortunately, Obama's not done yet.


Also, if you three less then brilliant people knew then why do you think an abundance of Obama voters didn't know (again - you've offered zero proof and just made the claim)

Because the less-THAN-brilliant Obama voters think he's going to stick it to the rich without them being hit.

I knew about it because I paid attention and it was clearly stated as a TEMPORARY REDUCTION from the very beginning

BTW - I don't remember Romney saying anything about extending it so why would you vote for him.....again, I'm assuming you were being honest in your statement above and just not talking out of your ass as usual
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You're one to talk about speaking out one's backside. I asked you why Tony is supposed to be happy about less money being in his pocket, as a result of this, and you start flapping your beak about how happy YOU ARE about the tax hike.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

Somehow you were aware that the payroll tax were temporary (congratulations genius) but Obama voters did not?

Are you aware you (or 333) hasn't actually offered any proof to support that premise

It's seems kind of implausible considering how much the "temporary" part was in the media and especially given that even proven dunces claimed to be aware of it





Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 05:26:10 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

Somehow you were aware that the payroll tax were temporary (congratulations genius) but Obama voters did not?

They're the one, surprised by this mess, not me. So, BAHAAAHHHAAAHHAAA that!!!

Somehow they got the impression that they would go unscatched. Gee....I wonder how that happened.  ::)



Are you aware you (or 333) hasn't actually offered any proof to support that premise

It's seems kind of implausible considering how much the "temporary" part was in the media and especially given that even proven dunces claimed to be aware of it


Hardly implausible!

Obama voters are whining about something you claim was in plain media view for months. Those are your "dunces".

Maybe they missed that, because of the media, echoing Obama's promises to stick it only to those EEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLL rich people.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 05:29:48 PM
They're the one, surprised by this mess, not me. So, BAHAAAHHHAAAHHAAA that!!!

Somehow they got the impression that they would go unscatched. Gee....I wonder how that happened.  ::)

Hardly implausible!

Obama voters are whining about something you claim was in plain media view for months. Those are your "dunces".

Maybe they missed that, because of the media, echoing Obama's promises to stick it only to those EEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLL rich people.


No, the are not

You've offered ZERO proof of that premise

how many times do you need to be told this before it sinks in

just show some proof than any significant number of Obama voters were unaware of this VERY PUBLIC FACT



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 05:31:57 PM
so tax rates didnt increase but were still paying more in payroll taxes than we did last week...GOT IT ;) ::)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 05:35:05 PM
so tax rates didnt increase but were still paying more in payroll taxes than we did last week...GOT IT ;) ::)

I guess Obama learned his lesson about giving people temporary tax relief





Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 05:37:49 PM
I guess Obama learned his lesson about giving people temporary tax relief




Im sure that will make all those middle class ppl feel real good, especially the ones that voted for him


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 05:41:52 PM
Im sure that will make all those middle class ppl feel real good, especially the ones that voted for him

no need to worry about them

I'm sure most of them were fully aware that the payroll tax cut was temporary

I mean, how could they not know it since it was originally only supposed to be in effect for one year and then was very publicly opposed by Repubs before extended 2 months and then once again for 10 months

How could they not know that
 
You knew that and I knew that and McWay knew that so why do you assume others didn't know it ?



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 05:44:05 PM
LMFAO, you live in this country...

you know how woefully inept this countrys citizens are at political knowledge

and you expect them to keep track of something like this? LMFAO

I knew that b/c Im one of a handful of ppl who post on a politics board!!!


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 05:44:48 PM
No, the are not

You've offered ZERO proof of that premise

how many times do you need to be told this before it sinks in

just show some proof than any significant number of Obama voters were unaware of this VERY PUBLIC FACT


333386 has already done that. Why are these folks on Twitter (hardly exhaustive) yelping again? And it's not limited to them.

As more people get their reduced checks, the cries will grow louder. And you will continue to make stupid excuses, claiming they knew it was coming.

And this "VERY PUBLIC FACT" was overshadowed by Obama's lying about only the rich having their taxes increased. When did Obama state in his campaign that the payroll tax was going bye-bye again?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 05:46:02 PM
333386 has already done that. Why are these folks on Twitter (hardly exhaustive) yelping again? And it's not limited to them.

As more people get their reduced checks, the cries will grow louder. And you will continue to make stupid excuses, claiming they knew it was coming.

And this "VERY PUBLIC FACT" was overshadowed by Obama's lying about only the rich having their taxes increased. When did Obama state in his campaign that the payroll tax was going bye-bye again?


No, he has not

I've already pointed this out

I'm beginning to understand why you were unaware the payroll tax cut was temporary



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 05:51:09 PM
Only people are exceptionally wealthy or do not work at all think it's ok that payroll taxes went up.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 05:52:54 PM
Only people are exceptionally wealthy or do not work at all think it's ok that payroll taxes went up.

did you poll everyone in the country or do you have some other proof for this claim ?



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 05:55:57 PM
did you poll everyone in the country or do you have some other proof for this claim ?



This is called the power of deduction... See... It's very simple.... People with jobs have to pay more...

Middle class and poor working people do not want to give more of their money.. They don't have a lot.

Wealthy people can handle an extra 2 percent....

Jobless people are not paying anything extra.

See... by logic and reason, it's easy to see that my statement is accurate.

I do not need "poll the country" to deduce correct information.

Did you poll the country to determine that people KNEW their taxes rates would increase?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 05:57:06 PM
This is called the power of deduction... See... It's very simple.... People with jobs have to pay more...

Middle class and poor working people do not want to give more of their money.. They don't have a lot.

Wealthy people can handle an extra 2 percent....

Jobless people are not paying anything extra.

See... by logic and reason, it's easy to see that my statement is accurate.

I do not need "poll the country" to deduce correct information.

Did you poll the country to determine that people KNEW their taxes rates would increase?

you're joking right

this is mean to make me laugh?

Seriously TU I truly expected something better from you


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 05:59:19 PM
you're joking right

this is mean to make me laugh?

Seriously TU I truly expected something better from you

So you have no better response, so you return to the "don't make me laugh" argument.

I see...

You only expect better when my opinion agrees with yours... In this instance it does not so you "expect better".

I would expect better from you than to side skirt an issue or to use "technicalities" to appear right.

Either you are paying more this year or you are not... That's really what it comes down to.

Anything else is just spin.

You can refute my statements above?

If so, please do.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:01:56 PM
So you have no better response, so you return to the "don't make me laugh" argument.

I see...

You only expect better when my opinion agrees with yours... In this instance it does not so you "expect better".

I would expect better from you than to side skirt an issue or to use "technicalities" to appear right.

Either you are paying more this year or you are not... That's really what it comes down to.

Anything else is just spin.

You can refute my statements above?

If so, please do.

ok, let's try this

Can you and I agree that it was a blatant public fact that the payroll cuts were:

1.  only supposed to last one year
2.  were very publicly opposed by Repubs and they also opposed extending them.
3.  eventually only agreed to extend them for 2 months
4.  finally agreed to extend them through 2012

Can we agree that the above information was abundantly available to anyone who bother to pay attention

yes or no and then we can proceed


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
So you have no better response, so you return to the "don't make me laugh" argument.

I see...

You only expect better when my opinion agrees with yours... In this instance it does not so you "expect better".

I would expect better from you than to side skirt an issue or to use "technicalities" to appear right.

Either you are paying more this year or you are not... That's really what it comes down to.

Anything else is just spin.

You can refute my statements above?

If so, please do.

Indeed, it is just spin. Unable to admit that Obama lied through his teeth about taxes and the middle class (among other things: halving the deficit, immigration reform in year one of term one, etc), Straw is clucking this preposterous notion that the lion's share of Obama voters KNEW their taxes would go up, along with those of the EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL rich people but happily voted for it anyway.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:03:52 PM
ok, let's try this

Can you and I agree that it was a blatant public fact that the payroll cuts were:

1.  only supposed to last one year
2.  were very publicly opposed by Repubs and they also opposed extending them.
3.  eventually only agreed to extend them for 2 months
4.  finally agreed to extend them through 2012

Can we agree that the above information was abundantly available to anyone who bother to pay attention

yes or no and then we can proceed

We can agree that it was information that was available...

That said, you must now agree that society and most people do not read or pay attention and are highly uninformed.

You must also then agree that it is on record that many legislatures who vote on bills do not know what they contain and simply vote based upon the party of the bill originator.

Do you agree with these statements?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
We can agree that it was information that was available...

That said, you must now agree that society and most people do not read or pay attention and are highly uninformed.

You must also then agree that it is on record that many legislatures who vote on bills do not know what they contain and simply vote based upon the party of the bill originator.

Do you agree with these statements?

I don't agree with your statements

If they were informed enough to know about the payroll tax cut then they would de facto have to been informed enough to know it was only supposed to last 12 months since that was how it was talked about at the time. 

Now, can you tell me when Obama ran for re-election did he promise to extend the payroll tax cuts beyond 2012 (hint - he can't actually do that by himself as I'm sure you know)

Here is another hint for you:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/21/payroll-tax-cut-obama-romney_n_1997274.html

Is your answer to that question yes or no


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
We can agree that it was information that was available...

That said, you must now agree that society and most people do not read or pay attention and are highly uninformed.

You must also then agree that it is on record that many legislatures who vote on bills do not know what they contain and simply vote based upon the party of the bill originator.

Do you agree with these statements?
He will not...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:11:03 PM
I don't agree with your statements

If they were informed enough to know about the payroll tax cut then they would de facto have to been informed enough to know it was only supposed to last 12 months since that was how it was talked about at the time. 

Now, can you tell me when Obama ran for re-election did he promise to extend the payroll tax cuts beyond 2012 (hint - he can't actually do that by himself as I'm sure you know)

Here is another hint for you:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/21/payroll-tax-cut-obama-romney_n_1997274.html

Is your answer to that question yes or no

If you do not agree with my statements then we have no reason to discuss further... The simple fact is that you are trying very hard to be antagonistic about the well known fact that people in this country are very ill informed and that even the informed people have so much information shoved at them that they often lose sight of some of the more mundane and myopic items at any time.

I'm sure if someone during the debates had actually said, no matter what, your taxes will go up, even on the middle class, that people would have taken notice.

If you insist on saying otherwise, then you are just being disingenuous and there is nothing else to discuss.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:13:36 PM
If you do not agree with my statements then we have no reason to discuss further... The simple fact is that you are trying very hard to be antagonistic about the well known fact that people in this country are very ill informed and that even the informed people have so much information shoved at them that they often lose sight of some of the more mundane and myopic items at any time.

I'm sure if someone during the debates had actually said, no matter what, your taxes will go up, even on the middle class, that people would have taken notice.

If you insist on saying otherwise, then you are just being disingenuous and there is nothing else to discuss.

I gave you my reason for not agreeing with your statement and also provided abundant proof that the temporary status of the tax cuts was a WELL KNOWN PUBLIC FACT

If you knew about the tax cuts then you would have also been HIGHLY LIKELY to know they were temporary

If you don't agree with that then you're right that we have nothing more to talk about

I will just add that Obama NEVER ran for re-election on the premise that he would or could extend this temporary tax cut so no Obama voter would have any reason to feel upset about it.   


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:17:02 PM
I gave you my reason for not agreeing with your statement and also provided abundant proof that the temporary status of the tax cuts was a WELL KNOWN PUBLIC FACT

If you knew about the tax cuts then you would have also been HIGHLY LIKELY to know they were temporary

If you don't agree with that then you're right that we have nothing more to talk about

I will just add that Obama NEVER ran for re-election on the premise that he would or could extend this temporary tax cut so no Obama voter would have any reason to feel upset about it.   

Yes... as I said... you are being disingenuous and we will go with that.

Let's also not forget the quote that Obama said... "They found a rather all-encompassing quote from Obama in which he said, as a “firm pledge,” familes making less than $250,000 will not “see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/515/no-family-making-less-250000-will-see-any-form-tax/

So as you can now see quite plainly... unless you again decide to be disingenuous... That Obama DID in fact campaign on that.

Please retort at your leisure.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:18:16 PM
LOL straw just give it a rest bro


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
Yes... as I said... you are being disingenuous and we will go with that.

Let's also not forget the quote that Obama said... "They found a rather all-encompassing quote from Obama in which he said, as a “firm pledge,” familes making less than $250,000 will not “see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/515/no-family-making-less-250000-will-see-any-form-tax/

So as you can now see quite plainly... unless you again decide to be disingenuous... That Obama DID in fact campaign on that.

Please retort at your leisure.

tell me the date of that quote?

can you?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:20:57 PM
tell me the date of that quote?

can you?

I can... Does it matter?

Do you believe the date matters... Would there be some reason why a promise made at one date no longer matters at another? Does the quote have some time table attached to it?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:21:36 PM
I can... Does it matter?

Do you believe the date matters... Would there be some reason why a promise made at one date no longer matters at another?

of course it does

what is the date ?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:22:19 PM
of course it does

what is the date ?

2008 when he was first running for president... I do not believe the date matters.

Again, there is no time table on a promise.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Does the quote have some time table attached to it?
when its a liberal making the quote, absolutely

when its a conservative making the quote, absolutely NOT


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:23:31 PM
when its a liberal making the quote, absolutely

when its a conservative making the quote, absolutely NOT

As I already stated... I do not believe a promise to not do something has an expiration date.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:23:43 PM
2008 when he was first running for president... I do not believe the date matters.

Again, there is no time table on a promise.

I believe it does matter and here is why

payroll taxes are not higher now (2013) than they were when he made that statement




Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:25:09 PM
do you not believe letting lower rates expire is a form of raising tax rates?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:27:09 PM
do you not believe letting lower rates expire is a form of raising tax rates?

seriously dude

why are you asking a question I've personally answered for you at least 2 or 3 times already?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:27:20 PM
I believe it does matter and here is why

payroll taxes are not higher now (2013) than they were when he made that statement




You and the people over at The Washington Post are in disagreement then... as well as politifact.

At least we can see you are simply disagreeing to be disagreeable... No because you really have any reason of merit.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:30:08 PM
You and the people over at The Washington Post are in disagreement then... as well as politifact.

At least we can see you are simply disagreeing to be disagreeable... No because you really have any reason of merit.


so what  ?

He made that statement in 2008 and taxes are not higher now than they were in 2008 for people making less than 250k

that is a fact


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:32:27 PM
The payroll tax rate they are paying now is 3.5% higher than they were paying a week ago straw, do you agree with that?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:32:36 PM
so what  ?

He made that statement in 2008 and taxes are not higher now than they were in 2008 for people making less than 250k

that is a fact

He did not use the term "today"... He said they would not see ANY tax increase... ANY.

Get used to the 3 letter words.

ANY means ANY... Not just from 2008.

ANY is ALL encompassing... I'm sure you understand the word.

It's like if I say I won't post on getbig more than X posts a day... YOU WILL NOT SEE ANY increase in my posting... and I decrease, then I come back and post the same rate... There IS in fact, an increase.

So I would have lied.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
The payroll tax rate they are paying now is 3.5% higher than they were paying a week ago straw, do you agree with that?

of course

that exactly how it was intended to be

how could you have missed that after all this time?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:36:04 PM
not only did he say "any"

he said "any form of tax increase"

fact is letting a lower rate expire is a form of tax increase.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:37:03 PM
not only did he say "any"

he said "any form of tax increase"

fact is letting a lower rate expire is a form of tax increase.

I can not be ANY more clear on the matter.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:37:31 PM
not only did he say "any"

he said "any form of tax increase"

fact is letting a lower rate expire is a form of tax increase.

no it's not but I know you want to believe that so go right ahead



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:39:54 PM
so were paying a higher tax rate than last week but there hasnt been ANY FORM of increase at all...

LMFAO got it ;)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 06:41:16 PM
so were paying a higher tax rate than last week but there hasnt been ANY FORM of increase at all...

LMFAO got it ;)

Straw has so clearly lost this debate that only in his mind are we incorrect... I'm sure a poll of most people on getbig would in fact, result in an overwhelming decision in our favor on the meaning of the word, ANY.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 06:52:09 PM
Straw has so clearly lost this debate that only in his mind are we incorrect... I'm sure a poll of most people on getbig would in fact, result in an overwhelming decision in our favor on the meaning of the word, ANY.

I think I've clearly won

I've shown that taxes are no higher than when Obama made his statement in 2008

I've provided abundant proof that the temporary nature of the payroll tax cut was widely known and commented on in the media

I've pointed out that there is no proof that Obama voters were unaware of the temporary nature of the payroll tax cut (in spite of 333's single solitary tweet by a person who we don't even know if they voted for Obama)

I've pointed out that Obama never ran for re-election on the promise of extending the payroll tax

The only thing your side has is that the temporary tax cuts expired

That's it

Why weren't you guys bitching about a tax increase the day Obama signed the first 12 month temporary reduction.   I don't recall anyone on the right screaming that Obama just signed a tax increase.    I wonder why not?



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 06:54:45 PM
I think I've clearly won

I've shown that taxes are no higher than when Obama made his statement in 2008
the tax rates were paying are higher than when obama made his statement in 2008


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 07:00:13 PM
the tax rates were paying are higher than when obama made his statement in 2008

no they are not


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 07:04:40 PM
no they are not
LMFAO so the tax rates we are paying now arent higher than what we were paying last week?

why is there less money in my pay check?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 07:06:30 PM
LMFAO so the tax rates we are paying now arent higher than what we were paying last week?

why is there less money in my pay check?

you wrote

the tax rates were paying are higher than when obama made his statement in 2008

and the answer is still no


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 07:12:40 PM
you wrote

and the answer is still no
so were paying the same rate but were getting less money?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 07:17:03 PM
so what  ?

He made that statement in 2008 and taxes are not higher now than they were in 2008 for people making less than 250k

that is a fact

WRONG!!

Obamacare's tax hike: The Obamacare law made one change to this tax provision: it raised the "haircut" from 7.5 percent of AGI to 10 percent of AGI. Since virtually all taxpayers claiming this income tax deduction make less than $200,000 per year, the income tax hike falls almost exclusively on the middle class:

-Virtually every family taking this deduction made less than $200,000 in 2009. Over 90 percent earned less than $100,000.

-The average taxpayer claiming this deduction earns just over $53,000 annually.

-ATR estimates that the average income tax increase for the average family claiming this tax benefit will be $200 - $400 per year.

-This income tax increase is focused on families with the largest medical bills that weren't covered by insurance. So the target population is low- and middle-income families with debilitating medical costs. That's a good definition of the opposite of “affordable” or “caring.”

According to the Joint Tax Committee, this tax increase is scheduled to raise between $2 billion and $3 billion annually. That may be a drop in the bucket in Washington DC, but try telling that to the $53,000 family with high medical bills that just saw a tax increase.  

The tax is a clear violation of President Obama's "firm pledge" in 2008 to not enact "any form of tax increase" on these families.

President Obama and his Democrat congressional allies have some explaining to do.


Read more: http://atr.org/obamacare-high-medical-bills-tax-hit-a7401#ixzz2H9qBEdVW


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Irongrip400 on January 05, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
Hahaha, ah man. I read to page four, then skipped to this page, and the arguments are the same. Almost word for word. And the "you're wrong", "no I'm not" arguments are still rolling. Fact is, I'm a business owner and had my guys in on Wednesday after I approved payroll for this week and we all take a hit. Call it an increase, call it and expiration. Facts are facts, and the take home amount is less. For me, it doesn't really matter, because my wife and I make almost $25k(gross) a month, and my fixed bills are less than $5,500. But, for the people making less money, it can get tough taking home a few less bucks. I don't have a problem with a higher tax for me for a few years, if it were going to be used to get us out of the hole, while the government tightens its purse strings as well. But that won't happen. I did not vote for Obama, and do not agree with his politics, but we're strapped into the roller coaster and are all along for the ride, so I wish him, and us well. Only time will tell, but I can assure you I'm saving my pennies for a rainy day, and a quick exit from America if need be.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 05, 2013, 07:32:48 PM
Hahaha, ah man. I read to page four, then skipped to this page, and the arguments are the same. Almost word for word. And the "you're wrong", "no I'm not" arguments are still rolling. Fact is, I'm a business owner and had my guys in on Wednesday after I approved payroll for this week and we all take a hit. Call it an increase, call it and expiration. Facts are facts, and the take home amount is less. For me, it doesn't really matter, because my wife and I make almost $25k(gross) a month, and my fixed bills are less than $5,500. But, for the people making less money, it can get tough taking home a few less bucks. I don't have a problem with a higher tax for me for a few years, if it were going to be used to get us out of the hole, while the government tightens its purse strings as well. But that won't happen. I did not vote for Obama, and do not agree with his politics, but we're strapped into the roller coaster and are all along for the ride, so I wish him, and us well. Only time will tell, but I can assure you I'm saving my pennies for a rainy day, and a quick exit from America if need be.

And, that's what the bottom line is: LESS TAKE-HOME PAY for the middle class, courtesy of the blatantly lying president who said the middle class would not be affected by ANY tax hikes.

Yet, Straw is making this boneheaded claim that the bulk of the middle class knew this was coming and voted for it anyway, just to sock it to the rich (who have far better means of ducking these tax hikes, including the rich who support Obama).

At least, Howard Dean had the balls to be straight up about it and say that taxes would have to go up on the middle class. Obama lied through his teeth, waited until he was politically safe, proceeded with the fiscal sodomy of America, especially the middle class.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 05, 2013, 07:33:30 PM
^^^^

No, No, No Irongrip

the tax rates were paying havent changed at all, were just paying more for no reason...

Just ask straw.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: dario73 on January 05, 2013, 08:01:51 PM
I think I've clearly won


Further proof of your stupidity.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 05, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
I think I've clearly won



That's because on this topic, you are delusional.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 05, 2013, 10:54:10 PM
That's because on this topic, you are delusional.

this topic ?

you mean the alleged state of shock of Obama voters?

LOL


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 02:52:51 AM
this topic ?

you mean the alleged state of shock of Obama voters?

LOL

No... The actual fact that peoples taxes did go up... ANY taxes... ANY ANY ANY.

You actually ARE insane... Notice how not even one of the other Obama fans are touching this?

They can not possibly back you on this one... You are simply ridiculous.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: GigantorX on January 06, 2013, 11:32:50 AM
The payroll tax went from 4.2% to 6.2%.

But in some peoples strange world taxes didn't go up.

Interesting.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 11:36:30 AM
The payroll tax went from 4.2% to 6.2%.

But in some peoples strange world taxes didn't go up.

Interesting.



Some people are truly either:

1. Ignorant
2. Stupid
3. Delusional.


You tell me which.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 06, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
Some people are truly either:

1. Ignorant
2. Stupid
3. Delusional.


You tell me which.
Number 2. for the win!!!!


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2013, 11:57:36 AM
I love the geniuses on this board who are so desperate to find something to piss and moan about that they have to pretend that Obama (and don't forget Dems and Repubs) raised their taxes

I've said this many times now

A discount expired

that's all that happened

Taxes are the same now as the day Obama made that statement in 2008

Taxes have not gone up though I understand the people on this board will continue to cry about it



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 12:01:06 PM
I love the geniuses on this board who are so desperate to find something to piss and moan about that they have to pretend that Obama (and don't forget Dems and Repubs) raised their taxes

I've said this many times now

A discount expired

that's all that happened

Taxes are the same now as the day Obama made that statement in 2008

Taxes have not gone up though I understand the people on this board will continue to cry about it



You are in fact, delusional.

ANY increase in taxes...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: GigantorX on January 06, 2013, 12:17:02 PM
I love the geniuses on this board who are so desperate to find something to piss and moan about that they have to pretend that Obama (and don't forget Dems and Repubs) raised their taxes

I've said this many times now

A discount expired

that's all that happened

Taxes are the same now as the day Obama made that statement in 2008

Taxes have not gone up though I understand the people on this board will continue to cry about it



Taxes haven't gone up even though they went from 4.2% to 6.2%?

Interesting.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 06, 2013, 12:18:40 PM
Taxes haven't gone up even though they went from 4.2% to 6.2%?

Interesting.
NO, GIGANTOR...THEY HAVE STAYED THE EXACT SAME WE ARE JUST DONATING MONEY NOW!!!


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Shockwave on January 06, 2013, 12:22:29 PM
I love the geniuses on this board who are so desperate to find something to piss and moan about that they have to pretend that Obama (and don't forget Dems and Repubs) raised their taxes

I've said this many times now

A discount expired

that's all that happened

Taxes are the same now as the day Obama made that statement in 2008

Taxes have not gone up though I understand the people on this board will continue to cry about it


You're getting hammered pretty bad here brah. You're arguing semantics, and you're not arguing it very well at that. It was promised that taxes wouldn't go up for the middle class even one dime... they could have fought to extend the discount you're attempting to argue about - but they didn't, effectively raising taxes on the people that were promised they wouldn't pay any more.

The end result, regardless of whichever bullshit you choose to call it, is that people are paying more in taxes now than they were a couple days ago, and it was completely avoidable.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2013, 12:39:39 PM
You're getting hammered pretty bad here brah. You're arguing semantics, and you're not arguing it very well at that. It was promised that taxes wouldn't go up for the middle class even one dime... they could have fought to extend the discount you're attempting to argue about - but they didn't, effectively raising taxes on the people that were promised they wouldn't pay any more.

The end result, regardless of whichever bullshit you choose to call it, is that people are paying more in taxes now than they were a couple days ago, and it was completely avoidable.

they are the ones arguing semantics over the word "increase"

they are trying to portray the expiration of a discount as a tax increase

how about this

if you salary is temporarily reduced and then reinstated did you get a raise

I'm sure certain people on this board will think so


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Shockwave on January 06, 2013, 12:48:05 PM
they are the ones arguing semantics over the word "increase"

they are trying to portray the expiration of a discount as a tax increase

how about this

if you salary is temporarily reduced and then reinstated did you get a raise

I'm sure certain people on this board will think so
Effectively, yes. If you're pay is docked you're making less than you were, and then when it goes back up, you're effectively making more.
Stop with your bullshit semantics arguments and look at the end result - people are paying more now than they were a couple days ago, no matter how you cut it.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
they are the ones arguing semantics over the word "increase"

they are trying to portray the expiration of a discount as a tax increase

how about this

if you salary is temporarily reduced and then reinstated did you get a raise

I'm sure certain people on this board will think so

No... You didn't get a RAISE,  but your Salary DID increase.

How about you learn the meaning of the word "increase".



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 06, 2013, 12:51:56 PM
No... You didn't get a RAISE,  but your Salary DID increase.

How about you learn the meaning of the word "increase".


hahahaha


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2013, 12:52:31 PM
Effectively, yes. If you're pay is docked you're making less than you were, and then when it goes back up, you're effectively making more.
Stop with your bullshit semantics arguments and look at the end result - people are paying more now than they were a couple days ago, no matter how you cut it.

damn, I wish I had employees who were that stupid

I may try that this year

I'll explain to everyone that they are going to get a raise in June but first I'm going to cut their pay by 25% from Feb thru May and then I'm going to reinstate their original salary in June and that will be their raise

do you honestly think anyone would consider that to be a raise ?

If the answer is yes then I've really underestimated the intelligence level on this board





Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2013, 12:54:39 PM
No... You didn't get a RAISE,  but your Salary DID increase.

How about you learn the meaning of the word "increase".

exactly

the semantic argument

you all know full well that Obama did not raise your taxes even though your payroll tax rate did increase due to the expiration of a discount

but you're still going to piss and moan about the word increase and pretend he lied to you


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Shockwave on January 06, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
damn, I wish I had employees who were that stupid

I may try that this year

I'll explain to everyone that they are going to get a raise in June but first I'm going to cut their pay by 25% from Feb thru May and then I'm going to reinstate their original salary in June and that will be there raise

do you honestly think anyone would consider that to be a raise ?

If the answer is yes then I've really underestimated the intelligence level on this board




You're now going off into something completely inconsequential in a vain attempt to validate your bullshit argument.

If your employees get demoted and their pay drops... their salaries decrease. If they later are promoted back, their salary increases. That is and EFFECTIVE raise, is it not? They were making less, they are now making more. You created a bullshit scenario to try and make some sense of your argument, but it's all smoke and mirrors.. and at the end, it's still bullshit.

People are paying more money now than they were. Guess what, it's an increase in taxes on the middle class.

Hurrr fuckin' durrrr bro.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 12:56:39 PM
exactly

the semantic argument

you all know full well that Obama did not raise your taxes even though your payroll tax rate did increase due to the expiration of a discount

but you're still going to piss and moan about the word increase and pretend he lied to you


That's not a semantic... It's a fucking fact.

I'm not saying he lied... You're saying he didn't... I'm saying he is certainly guilty by omission.

I'm starting to think you're no longer delusional and have moved on to outright stupidity.

Did you figure out what the word "increase" meant vs. "raise"?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
You're now going off into something completely inconsequential in a vain attempt to validate your bullshit argument.

If your employees get demoted and their pay drops... their salaries decrease. If they later are promoted back, their salary increases. That is and EFFECTIVE raise, is it not? They were making less, they are now making more. You created a bullshit scenario to try and make some sense of your argument, but it's all smoke and mirrors.. and at the end, it's still bullshit.

People are paying more money now than they were. Guess what, it's an increase in taxes on the middle class.

Hurrr fuckin' durrrr bro.

I never said anything about a demotion

times are tough and I need to save money so I need to cut their salaries (basically the same argument as saying times are tough so I'm going to give you a temporary tax decrease)

when times are better I'll reinstate your original salary and I'll say I gave you a raise



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 12:58:40 PM
I never said anything about a demotion

times are tough and I need to save money so I need to cut their salaries (basically the same argument as saying times are tough so I'm going to give you a temporary tax decrease)

when times are better I'll reinstate your original salary and I'll say I gave you a raise



You know damn well you aren't a business owner... If you were, you certainly wouldn't be ok with the fact your payroll just went up 2% over last year.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 06, 2013, 12:59:08 PM
straw are ppl paying more in payroll taxes than a week ago?

did the payroll tax rates they were paying increase over a week ago?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2013, 01:00:39 PM
That's not a semantic... It's a fucking fact.

I'm not saying he lied... You're saying he didn't... I'm saying he is certainly guilty by omission.

I'm starting to think you're no longer delusional and have moved on to outright stupidity.

Did you figure out what the word "increase" meant vs. "raise"?

You know full well that your tax rate didn't increase

from your perspective the day Obama signed a one year tax reduction he was giving you a de facto tax increase the day it expired

That's an idiotic way to look at it but I understand that's how you and other choose to look at it



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Shockwave on January 06, 2013, 01:01:07 PM
I never said anything about a demotion

times are tough and I need to save money so I need to cut their salaries (basically the same argument as saying times are tough so I'm going to give you a temporary tax decrease)

when times are better I'll reinstate your original salary and I'll say I gave you a raise


Which has zero to do with anything, again. If their pay goes down for whatever reason, its a decrease. If it goes up, it's an increase. There is no fucking way you actually can believe the shit you're spewing.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 06, 2013, 01:02:29 PM
You know full well that your tax rate didn't increase

from your perspective the day Obama signed a one year tax reduction he was giving you a de facto tax increase the day it expired

That's an idiotic way to look at it but I understand that's how you and other choose to look at it
the tax rate they are paying certainly did increase did it not?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Shockwave on January 06, 2013, 01:03:00 PM
the tax rate they are paying certainly did increase did it not?
Clearly it did not, they're paying more but nothing changed.

Derp.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 01:03:20 PM
You know full well that your tax rate didn't increase

from your perspective the day Obama signed a one year tax reduction he was giving you a de facto tax increase the day it expired

That's an idiotic way to look at it but I understand that's how you and other choose to look at it



So the amount of money I'm paying in taxes did not go up since last year?

Really?

That's what you're saying.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 01:04:14 PM
Clearly it did not, they're paying more but nothing changed.

Derp.

He has certainly moved beyond delusional.

Obviously jobless.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 06, 2013, 02:52:16 PM
He has certainly moved beyond delusional.

Obviously jobless.

now you've deduced I'm jobless ?

are you kidding

this entire thread is a bunch of babies crying because there tax discount went away (after being extended twice) and complaining about a tax increase (an increase baked into the original legislation by the fact that it was TEMPORARY)

I swear this is possibly one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen

I can't imagine anyone trying to make this argument in person or in real life

Something this retarded could only happen on a message board


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tonymctones on January 06, 2013, 02:53:40 PM
straw are ppl paying more in payroll taxes than a week ago?

did the payroll tax rates they were paying increase over a week ago?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: GigantorX on January 06, 2013, 03:15:51 PM
You know full well that your tax rate didn't increase

from your perspective the day Obama signed a one year tax reduction he was giving you a de facto tax increase the day it expired

That's an idiotic way to look at it but I understand that's how you and other choose to look at it



The payroll tax went from 4.2% to 6.2%.

That is an increase of 2%.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Shockwave on January 06, 2013, 03:20:36 PM
The payroll tax went from 4.2% to 6.2%.

That is an increase of 2%.
No, you're wrong. That isn't an increase.

/sarcasm


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2013, 03:41:23 PM
Give I up and move on.


now you've deduced I'm jobless ?

are you kidding

this entire thread is a bunch of babies crying because there tax discount went away (after being extended twice) and complaining about a tax increase (an increase baked into the original legislation by the fact that it was TEMPORARY)

I swear this is possibly one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen

I can't imagine anyone trying to make this argument in person or in real life

Something this retarded could only happen on a message board


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 06, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
Give I up and move on.



I have given up... it's obvious I'm dealing with someone complete void of rational thought.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2013, 04:47:59 PM
I have given up... it's obvious I'm dealing with someone complete void of rational thought.



 ;D


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 06, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases
The Washington Times online ^ | Sunday, January 6, 2013 | Joseph Curl
Posted on January 6, 2013, 7:23:49 PM EST by Reagan is King

Sometimes, watching a Democrat learn something is wonderful, like seeing the family dog finally sit and stay at your command.

With President Obama back in office and his life-saving “fiscal cliff” bill jammed through Congress, the new year has brought a surprising turn of events for his sycophantic supporters.

“What happened that my Social Security withholding’s in my paycheck just went up?” a poster wrote on the liberal site DemocraticUnderground.co m. “My paycheck just went down by an amount that I don’t feel comfortable with. I guarantee this decrease is gonna’ hurt me more than the increase in income taxes will hurt those making over 400 grand. What happened?”

Shocker. Democrats who supported the president’s re-election just had NO idea that his steadfast pledge to raise taxes meant that he was really going to raise taxes. They thought he planned to just hit those filthy “1 percenters,” you know, the ones who earned fortunes through their inventiveness and hard work. They thought the free ride would continue forever.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/6/obama-supporters-shocked-angry-new-tax-increases/#ixzz2HFCXe3pO

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 06, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
You're now going off into something completely inconsequential in a vain attempt to validate your bullshit argument.

If your employees get demoted and their pay drops... their salaries decrease. If they later are promoted back, their salary increases. That is and EFFECTIVE raise, is it not? They were making less, they are now making more. You created a bullshit scenario to try and make some sense of your argument, but it's all smoke and mirrors.. and at the end, it's still bullshit.

People are paying more money now than they were. Guess what, it's an increase in taxes on the middle class.

Hurrr fuckin' durrrr bro.

And, that's not just from the payroll or withholding tax. Let's not forget that pesky ObamaCare.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 06, 2013, 06:32:54 PM
CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases
The Washington Times online ^ | Sunday, January 6, 2013 | Joseph Curl
Posted on January 6, 2013, 7:23:49 PM EST by Reagan is King

Sometimes, watching a Democrat learn something is wonderful, like seeing the family dog finally sit and stay at your command.

With President Obama back in office and his life-saving “fiscal cliff” bill jammed through Congress, the new year has brought a surprising turn of events for his sycophantic supporters.

“What happened that my Social Security withholding’s in my paycheck just went up?” a poster wrote on the liberal site DemocraticUnderground.co m. “My paycheck just went down by an amount that I don’t feel comfortable with. I guarantee this decrease is gonna’ hurt me more than the increase in income taxes will hurt those making over 400 grand. What happened?”

Shocker. Democrats who supported the president’s re-election just had NO idea that his steadfast pledge to raise taxes meant that he was really going to raise taxes. They thought he planned to just hit those filthy “1 percenters,” you know, the ones who earned fortunes through their inventiveness and hard work. They thought the free ride would continue forever.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/6/obama-supporters-shocked-angry-new-tax-increases/#ixzz2HFCXe3pO

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


“_Alex™” sounded bummed. “Obama I did not vote for you so you can take away alot of money from my checks.” Christian Dixon seemed crestfallen. “I’m starting to regret voting for Obama.” But “Dave” got his dander up over the tax hike: “Obama is the biggest f***ing liar in the world. Why the f*** did I vote for him”?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu0Bm_HfX-s


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 06, 2013, 06:37:40 PM
That's true. For those who get paid twice a month, their last check was probably on the 28th, the 31st, or the 2nd. Either way, that's December 2012 pay, not January 2013 pay.

That article just echoed what I said earlier:

A whole new wave of Obama supporters still don’t even know: They’ll get their first 2013 paychecks on the 15th of the month. So when you’re shooting the breeze in the lunchroom with your grumbling co-workers on the 16th, just ask them, “Who’d you vote for in November?” When they say Mr. Obama, just tell them: “Well, you got what you voted for. You did know he was going to raise taxes, right?”

The looks on their faces will be priceless.
r
 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: dario73 on January 07, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
That article just echoed what I said earlier:

A whole new wave of Obama supporters still don’t even know: They’ll get their first 2013 paychecks on the 15th of the month. So when you’re shooting the breeze in the lunchroom with your grumbling co-workers on the 16th, just ask them, “Who’d you vote for in November?” When they say Mr. Obama, just tell them: “Well, you got what you voted for. You did know he was going to raise taxes, right?”

The looks on their faces will be priceless.
r
 


It was hilarious to see some of the people that attend the church I go to have that empty look in their eyes. No matter how much I warned them during bible study, some of them were too ignorant and voted for the failure sitting in the white house.

When I stood in front of them last Friday I said, "Well, you people didn't actually believe Obama when he said he wasn't going to raise taxes on the so called middle class. Did you? Wait until the government needs more money in the future to keep afloat that trainwreck called obamacare. Word to the wise. The government never gives anything for free. Someone has to pay for it. And guess who is going to pay?"

One of the biblical passage we were studying was 1 Kings 12:4. Taxes has always been controversial.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
It was hilarious to see some of the people that attend the church I go to have that empty look in their eyes. No matter how much I warned them during bible study, some of them were too ignorant and voted for the failure sitting in the white house.

When I stood in front of them last Friday I said, "Well, you people didn't actually believe Obama when he said he wasn't going to raise taxes on the so called middle class. Did you? Wait until the government needs more money in the future to keep afloat that trainwreck called obamacare. Word to the wise. The government never gives anything for free. Someone has to pay for it. And guess who is going to pay?"

One of the biblical passage we were studying was 1 Kings 12:4. Taxes has always been controversial.

lol.   I see it on my facebook w delusional obama drones.  Dumb can not even begin to describe the false narratives, lies, and bogus nonsense these tools believe in. 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 04:09:26 PM
That article just echoed what I said earlier:

A whole new wave of Obama supporters still don’t even know: They’ll get their first 2013 paychecks on the 15th of the month. So when you’re shooting the breeze in the lunchroom with your grumbling co-workers on the 16th, just ask them, “Who’d you vote for in November?” When they say Mr. Obama, just tell them: “Well, you got what you voted for. You did know he was going to raise taxes, right?”

The looks on their faces will be priceless.
r
 


if he didn't know then he's just a moron ( no shortage of them in either party)

What I don't understand it why the Repubs and the rest of the media didn't blame Obama for RAISING taxes the day he signed the 12 month TEMPORARY REDUCTION of the payroll tax

Maybe because at that time it hadn't occurred to them to pretend to be upset about this

That's my assumption


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: blacken700 on January 07, 2013, 04:11:45 PM
lol.   I see it on my facebook w delusional obama drones.  Dumb can not even begin to describe the false narratives, lies, and bogus nonsense these tools believe in. 

sounds like you


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 04:21:45 PM
sounds like you

that can been seen in this entire thread

Obama (and Dems and Repubs) sign a temporary payroll tax cut (initially only supposed to last 12 months but instead last 24 months) and all brain dead Repubs can do is pretend it's a tax increase because payroll tax rates went back to the exact same level they were the day Obama took office

I wonder why no reporter from Fox News has had the balls to ask Obama why he was raising taxes in this regard in any press conference in the last two years

Could it be because his fellow reporters would laugh him out of the room and he would look like a complete fool on national TV


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 04:25:21 PM
sounds like you

New rules.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 04:27:20 PM
New rules.

stop whining

did you see how many times the "new rules" were violated in this thread

did you see me saying anything about it?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 07, 2013, 04:53:08 PM
stop whining

did you see how many times the "new rules" were violated in this thread

did you see me saying anything about it?

You mean because people said you were insane or delusional based upon some of the things you posted?

I don't think that's on the same level at all.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 05:24:59 PM
You mean because people said you were insane or delusional based upon some of the things you posted?

I don't think that's on the same level at all.

now if I were 333 I'd piss and moan about the "new rules" but I don't give a shit

I don't understand why no sharp reporter has jumped on this in the last two years and asked Obama why he was violating his 2008 campaign statement, when he (and Dems and Repubs) temporarily lowered the payroll tax.

You'd think someone would have asked him this by now

It's so obvious

he's had plenty of press conferences, interviews etc.. and this is such a blatant lie that you think someone would have jumbed on it and made a name for themselves (of course that name would have been douchebag or moron but so what)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 07, 2013, 06:12:55 PM
now if I were 333 I'd piss and moan about the "new rules" but I don't give a shit

I don't understand why no sharp reporter has jumped on this in the last two years and asked Obama why he was violating his 2008 campaign statement, when he (and Dems and Repubs) temporarily lowered the payroll tax.

You'd think someone would have asked him this by now

It's so obvious

he's had plenty of press conferences, interviews etc.. and this is such a blatant lie that you think someone would have jumbed on it and made a name for themselves (of course that name would have been douchebag or moron but so what)

That's a good question actually... I wonder why myself.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:16:54 PM
That's a good question actually... I wonder why myself.


the answer is in my post


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 07, 2013, 06:24:25 PM
the answer is in my post

I do not see it.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:28:19 PM
I do not see it.

now if I were 333 I'd piss and moan about the "new rules" but I don't give a shit

I don't understand why no sharp reporter has jumped on this in the last two years and asked Obama why he was violating his 2008 campaign statement, when he (and Dems and Repubs) temporarily lowered the payroll tax.

You'd think someone would have asked him this by now

It's so obvious

he's had plenty of press conferences, interviews etc.. and this is such a blatant lie that you think someone would have jumbed on it and made a name for themselves (of course that name would have been douchebag or moron but so what)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 06:28:27 PM
I love the geniuses on this board who are so desperate to find something to piss and moan about that they have to pretend that Obama (and don't forget Dems and Repubs) raised their taxes

I've said this many times now

A discount expired

that's all that happened

Taxes are the same now as the day Obama made that statement in 2008

Taxes have not gone up though I understand the people on this board will continue to cry about it





Because you continue to lie about it.  The 3.8% on investment income is an increase.  Not one that everybody will pay, but an increase nonetheless.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:30:26 PM


Because you continue to lie about it.  The 3.8% on investment income is an increase.  Not one that everybody will pay, but an increase nonetheless.

are you referring to real estate or something else ?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 07, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
The only lie is the one you keep telling straw... You are in fact the ONLY person on this board willing to continue telling it!

Not one SINGLE OTHER Obama fan is willing to stoop SO low.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 06:34:23 PM
are you referring to real estate or something else ?


Applies to capital gains, interest, dividends, maybe rent income.  Don't know all.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:37:22 PM
The only lie is the one you keep telling straw... You are in fact the ONLY person on this board willing to continue telling it!

Not one SINGLE OTHER Obama fan is willing to stoop SO low.

I've made my point of view VERY CLEAR

you choose to interpret Obama's quote in a particular way (one which I consider to be completely stupid) and I choose to interpret it in another way

you consider "increase" to mean if the rate is temporarily lowered and then brought back to the place it started as an "increase"

I consider an increase to be an actual increase from the original starting point i.e. a true net increase and not an expiration of a discount

Most people would completely understand this which is why no reporter in his right mind would get on national TV and make a fool of himself by asking Obama about your chosen perspective on the words "increase"




Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 07, 2013, 06:37:54 PM
I've made my point of view VERY CLEAR

you choose to interpret Obama's quote in a particular way (one which I consider to be completely stupid) and I choose to interpret it in another way

you consider "increase" to mean if the rate is temporarily lowered and then brought back to the place it started as an "increase"

I consider an increase to be an actual increase from the original starting point i.e. a true net increase and not an expiration of a discount

Most people would completely understand this which is why no reporter in his right mind would get on national TV and make a fool of himself by asking Obama about your chosen perspective on the words "increase"




Yes... YOU ARE A LIAR.

We are all very very clear on that.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 06:38:22 PM
now if I were 333 I'd piss and moan about the "new rules" but I don't give a shit

I don't understand why no sharp reporter has jumped on this in the last two years and asked Obama why he was violating his 2008 campaign statement, when he (and Dems and Repubs) temporarily lowered the payroll tax.

You'd think someone would have asked him this by now

It's so obvious

he's had plenty of press conferences, interviews etc.. and this is such a blatant lie that you think someone would have jumbed on it and made a name for themselves (of course that name would have been douchebag or moron but so what)

1.  Obama never takes questions from the press.  

2.  The press has never questioned obama - why start now ?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:39:03 PM

Applies to capital gains, interest, dividends, maybe rent income.  Don't know all.

you don't know all yet you're making the claim

how about getting some specifics

you seem to have a specific figure of 3.8% which has been debunked MANY TIMES in the last two years as it pertains to Real Estate Transaction

I'm sure you are aware of that so you must not be referring to Real Estate so what exactly are you referring to

You may actually have a valid point here but how about some specific details


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:40:04 PM
1.  Obama never takes questions from the press.  

2.  The press has never questioned obama - why start now ?

of course he doesn't   ::)

why would you believe anything different



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:40:48 PM
Yes... YOU ARE A LIAR.

We are all very very clear on that.

no I'm not

I told you EXACTLY how I arrived at my conclusion and there is NOTHING FALSE about it


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 06:41:12 PM
of course he doesn't   ::)

why would you believe anything different



He has had little or no press conferences in memory.  And those that he has are potemkin village replicas w his hand maidens picked to ask pre screened questions


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 07, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
no I'm not

I told you EXACTLY how I arrived at my conclusion and there is NOTHING FALSE about it

Oh look... another lie.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoS26kgyGDvl5ITmPMfTln2dygis8JFT8SeRLD1MR5vUej_YAgLQ)


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 06:42:28 PM
you don't know all yet you're making the claim

how about getting some specifics

you seem to have a specific figure of 3.8% which has been debunked MANY TIMES in the last two years as it pertains to Real Estate Transaction

I'm sure you are aware of that so you must not be referring to Real Estate so what exactly are you referring to

You may actually have a valid point here but how about some specific details



You're just running for cover.  The 3.8% is very real and nothing to debunk.  That's not to say all people will be affected.  And it applies to capital gains, interest, dividends, and NET rents.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 06:44:19 PM
Oh look... another lie.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoS26kgyGDvl5ITmPMfTln2dygis8JFT8SeRLD1MR5vUej_YAgLQ)



Yes.  The 3.8% is a new tax.  Now, it's very targeted and not everyone is going to pay. 

But a new tax is an INCREASE regardless.



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:44:50 PM
Reporter - Mr. President, by signing this one year temporary reduction in the payroll tax aren't you violating your 2008 campaign statement to that there would be no tax increase on those making 250k or less. Isn't it true that in twelve months the 2% discount will go away and taxes will "increase" back to where they were before the discount.    Aren't you literally signing a bill to increase taxes

Obama - You aren't actually seriously asking me that idiotic question.... are you?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:45:41 PM


You're just running for cover.  The 3.8% is very real and nothing to debunk.  That's not to say all people will be affected.  And it applies to capital gains, interest, dividends, and NET rents.

Fine - you know it's "real" so tell me EXACTLY what you're referring to



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:46:24 PM


Yes.  The 3.8% is a new tax.  Now, it's very targeted and not everyone is going to pay. 

But a new tax is an INCREASE regardless.


I though Obama said taxes would not increase on those making less than 250k



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 06:48:40 PM
I though Obama said taxes would not increase on those making less than 250k



He lied since there are taxes in obamcare applying to everyone. 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:49:56 PM
He lied since there are taxes in obamcare applying to everyone. 

false


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 06:50:56 PM
Fine - you know it's "real" so tell me EXACTLY what you're referring to





Educate yourself.

http://money.msn.com/health-and-life-insurance/know-the-facts-on-new-38percent-tax


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
I though Obama said taxes would not increase on those making less than 250k





I believe it's 200/250


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 06:54:05 PM
false


LOL!!!!  

Medical device tax, tanning tax, the mandates driving up premiums are a tax, the inflation tax, the expiration of the payroll tax break, etc etc

Bottom line - under Obama people have far less money in  their check  


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
LOL!!!! 

Medical device tax, tanning tax, the mandates driving up premiums are a tax, the inflation tax, the expiration of the payroll tax break, etc etc

Bottom line - under Obama people have far less money in  their check   



Yeah...the companies just push it off to consumers.  So of course it affects us.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 06:56:34 PM


Educate yourself.

http://money.msn.com/health-and-life-insurance/know-the-facts-on-new-38percent-tax


did you actually read it

btw- here is Obama's quote regarding taxes ” families making less than $250,000 will not “see any form of tax increase"

now go actually read the article you posted and then check back in


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 07:00:52 PM
did you actually read it

btw- here is Obama's quote regarding taxes ” families making less than $250,000 will not “see any form of tax increase"

now go actually read the article you posted and then check back in




You clearly didn't read the whole thing.

If you're investment exceeds even with the deduction then you will pay it.

As I said earlier...it's not going to affect everyone.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 07:03:21 PM


You clearly didn't read the whole thing.

If you're investment exceeds even with the deduction then you will pay it.

As I said earlier...it's not going to affect everyone.


only if your AGI > 250k and even then that's ONLY after you get your first 250k profit tax free (for individual) and 500k for couples

so, you're COMPLETELY WRONG

This has been debunked on this board and in the media MANY MANY TIMES

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/04/02/there-is-no-obamacare-tax-on-most-home-sales-really/


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 07:03:51 PM
He has had little or no press conferences in memory.  And those that he has are potemkin village replicas w his hand maidens picked to ask pre screened questions

it's a well established fact that your memory sucks


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 07:05:09 PM
it's a well established fact that your memory sucks

When was the last real press conference O-Twink had?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 07:08:25 PM
When was the last real press conference O-Twink had?

He's never had one

Isn't that your recollection?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 07:11:12 PM
He's never had one

Isn't that your recollection?

Maybe he had one a few months ago w a few meaningless questions, but he is not accesible or approachable for real questions. 

He rather do interviews w dj's like pimp w a limp 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 07:17:29 PM
Maybe he had one a few months ago w a few meaningless questions, but he is not accesible or approachable for real questions. 

He rather do interviews w dj's like pimp w a limp 

I gotta give you credit

that was a much faster back pedal than usual

I can only imagine the "real" questions you would ask him


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 07:19:09 PM
I gotta give you credit

that was a much faster back pedal than usual

I can only imagine the "real" questions you would ask him

Obama is never around for questions - when is he ever in front of a panel for questions 


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Skip8282 on January 07, 2013, 07:19:51 PM
only if your AGI > 250k and even then that's ONLY after you get your first 250k profit tax free (for individual) and 500k for couples

so, you're COMPLETELY WRONG

This has been debunked on this board and in the media MANY MANY TIMES

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/04/02/there-is-no-obamacare-tax-on-most-home-sales-really/




Yeah...so if the investment returns enough, it's enough to push somebody into that bracket.  Like I said, you haven't debunked anything.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 07, 2013, 07:20:45 PM



Yeah...so if the investment returns enough, it's enough to push somebody into that bracket.  Like I said, you haven't debunked anything.

yep...greater than 250k in AGI

Isn't that what I said before?


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2013, 08:32:15 PM

Hilarious: Obama Voters Furious About Tax Hikes
 Kyle Becker January 7, 2013 8:34 pm








Democrat voters received a dose of economic reality after their New Year’s hangovers wore off, when they looked down at their 2013 paystubs and saw not Obama bucks, but higher federal taxes.

How misplaced was their trust in re-electing defender of the middle class tax-raiser President Obama? Workers making $30,000 will take a bigger hit on their pay than those earning $500,000 under the fiscal cliff deal. And Democrats are seeking $1 trillion more in tax “revenue” by the end of this year.

Now, it’s not nice to laugh at other people’s shock and surprise, but this is about as delicious as it gets. Voters seem to think that the president can hand out massive freebies like bailouts, stimulus, cash for clunkers, green energy subsidies and Obamacare, while somehow winding up personally protected by President Nice Guy from massive tax hikes and rising inflation.



Even if you’re not one of the evil rich, you’ll still pay — whether in your paychecks or at the gas pump and supermarket. Well, unless you’re one of those few welfare recipients taking out cash at strip clubs, liquor stores and X-rated shops.

As the national debt clock overheats from spinning so fast, voters don’t need to see those flipping numbers represent more debt. That’s way too abstract. What they need to see in those numbers is the national taxes/inflation clock, which is much more accurate. And that clock only shows about $16 trillion of the future unfunded debts of about $86 trillion.

[Click here to read "Steyn: Congress Spent 2 Months Arguing for 10 Hours Worth of Spending Cuts."]

Some Tweets from the website Twitchy show some awesomely outraged Obama voters who were duped by their Supreme Leader (we’ll leave the NC-17 ones for Twitchy). Below pretty much sums them all up:


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Straw Man on January 08, 2013, 01:24:36 PM



Yeah...so if the investment returns enough, it's enough to push somebody into that bracket.  Like I said, you haven't debunked anything.

still no tax increase for anyone making less than 250k



Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: MCWAY on January 08, 2013, 01:34:45 PM
still no tax increase for anyone making less than 250k



Wrong again. See ObamaCare taxes on page 8.


Title: Re: Obama voters in state of shock as 2% withholding hike takes hold.
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on January 08, 2013, 07:48:32 PM
So you were part of the "idiocrasy" that split the vote against Obama,
...but you bear no blame in the election outcome? Gotcha! LOL.  ;D

hilarious  ::)