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Title: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 05:50:37 PM
Post yours. I will take my pictures soon so the most impressive shot is gonna be seen in a couple of days.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on March 21, 2006, 05:56:36 PM
why would you think that Serge Nubret is natural?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 05:57:50 PM
why would you think that Serge Nubret is natural?

I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 06:00:08 PM
Not bad for a natty! How much does he weight here, 150?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: DEFCON on March 21, 2006, 06:00:30 PM
I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH AHAHHA


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: body88 on March 21, 2006, 06:01:15 PM
Not bad for a natty! How much does he weight here, 150?

Come on Alexxx i know youre a gimmick and try to get a rise out of everyone but calling serge 150??!! You know he looks good.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 06:01:55 PM
Come on Alexxx i know youre a gimmick and try to get a rise out of everyone but calling serge 150??!! You know he looks good.

ok maybe 170?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: body88 on March 21, 2006, 06:02:54 PM
200

Although I do think if he is a mutant he could be natty


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 06:14:30 PM
Reeves looking large!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Adam Empire on March 21, 2006, 06:14:54 PM
I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.

Joke account compliments of Alexxx.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on March 21, 2006, 06:15:07 PM
200

Although I do think if he is a mutant he could be natty

He was about as natural as a potato with a dick. He used to come to Bill Pearls gym in Pasadena in the mid to late 70's with a boat load of crap from Europe trying to get rid of it. I was there. Bill didn't know a thing but I do know if he found out Nubret would have been a bloody stump!!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: BayGBM on March 21, 2006, 06:18:52 PM
I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.

And I'm straight. No, really!  I am!!!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 06:21:42 PM
Sarcasm how many of these guys here are natural?

http://timinvermont.com/vintage/previewspimages01.html


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 06:30:41 PM
Reeves was strong for a natural too!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gh15 on March 21, 2006, 06:47:10 PM
reeves is the only natural out of those pics.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on March 21, 2006, 06:52:41 PM
reeves is the only natural out of those pics.

Yep!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2006, 06:57:14 PM
I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: body88 on March 21, 2006, 06:57:21 PM
Reeves was strong for a natural too!

That is the physique that made me want to lift.....


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Dan-O on March 21, 2006, 07:09:09 PM
He was about as natural as a potato with a dick. He used to come to Bill Pearls gym in Pasadena in the mid to late 70's with a boat load of crap from Europe trying to get rid of it. I was there. Bill didn't know a thing but I do know if he found out Nubret would have been a bloody stump!!

LOL, that's right, Nubret had a rep in the 70's as being the European pharmaceutical connection!  It was even all over the mags back in the day (Except Weider's mags of course).  And now apparently he's trying to rewrite history.  LOL again.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: lastrep on March 21, 2006, 07:09:56 PM
None of these are natural. Period.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: body88 on March 21, 2006, 07:15:58 PM
If you dont believe Steve Reeves is natural you are a fool. he was like 220 tops lol


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Croatch on March 21, 2006, 07:20:53 PM
I guess Reeves was as strong as me.  Impressive.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 21, 2006, 07:28:04 PM
Croatch,

You and I need to have a competition...

"Strongest Natural on GetBig"

...whaddya think? I'd say you have me on upper body (bench, curls etc), reckon I could take you in the lower body (squats, deadlifts). Though I reckon we're both on a par with Reeves at least strength wise.

I'll see if I can compress avi files on my computer to post some lifts.

The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2006, 07:36:02 PM
Put True Adonis in this competition too


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 07:52:37 PM
I blow all those fools away! I did 125 pounders dumbell incline presses! Buyaaa by my self on top of that!!! Soon I will go up to 150s!  :)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on March 21, 2006, 08:01:31 PM
steve reeves looks like a bald vagina


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: benchthis on March 21, 2006, 08:05:17 PM
ronnie coleamans a nat he said it in the unbelivable he would lie to us  ???


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: rufjunk on March 21, 2006, 08:06:10 PM
BDJ: Could you relay your own experience with drug use?


Sergio Olivia: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds! So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing, you know that it's phony.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/history/topic/46705-1.html


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: VegasPole on March 21, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
Post yours. I will take my pictures soon so the most impressive shot is gonna be seen in a couple of days.

Hey man, the black on the top doesn't even count...we can barely even see him! AND he's black...blacks have different genes than us whities... we'll have to have two categories one for natural whites...another for natural blacks,just so it's fair.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: brianX on March 21, 2006, 08:35:03 PM
Arthur Harris and Steve Reeves were natural. Serge Nubret and Dave Draper were not.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: body88 on March 21, 2006, 08:37:28 PM
Arthur Harris and Steve Reeves were natural. Serge Nubret and Dave Draper were not.

Word!!!!

Not believing Reeves was natty is rediculous wasent he like 6'1 220


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: brianX on March 21, 2006, 08:38:37 PM
Insecure juicers don't want to admit that there are naturals out there bigger than them.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 21, 2006, 09:12:09 PM
 FITNESS TIPS FOR 7/8/2004         
________________________ ____________________

Steve Reeves Workout - How Steve Reeves Trained

Steve Reeves had a classic physique body that is still admired
to this day. To many it is still the greatest physique of all time.
What's even more impressive is that Steve won the Mr. America,
Mr. World, and Mr. Universe titles without ever using steroids.

His top form measurements were:

height 6'1"
weight 215lb
shoulder breadth 23 1/2 in
neck 18 1/4 in
chest 52 in
waist 29 in
hips 38 in
biceps 18 1/4 in
forearms 14 3/4 in
wrist 7 1/4 in
thigh 26 in
calf 18 1/4 in
ankle 9 1/4 in.

Note that his calf, biceps and neck are the same measurement. He
did this deliberately based on the concept of Grecian ideal
proportions.

He also worked to get his shoulders as wide as possible and his
waist as small as possible in order to exaggerate his upper
body width. He didn't do shrugs or side bends as he thought large
traps took away from the visual illusion of shoulder width and
large obliques thickened the waist, spoiling his v-taper.

Steve Reeves Training Methods

I found one of Steve Reeves training routine in an old booklet
and was happy to see he trained  briefly, infrequently and
intensely to  make the fastest progress. He trained full body
workouts three times a week, doing about 3 sets for each
exercise. He choose mostly basic exercises that worked the
part of the muscle he wanted to bring out.

Steve Reeves once wrote that 12 reps is the ideal number,
but never at the expense of good form!

Of course he had great genetics, but he also trained the right
for a natural bodybuilder.

Exercises of Steve Reeves

1. Shoulders - Press Behind Neck
2. Thighs - Hack Squat (toes pointed at 'ten and two' heels closed)
3. Calves - Toe Raise (on block of wood at least 6" thick)
4. Chest - Dips on parallel bars
5. Back - Chin behind neck
6. Triceps - Pressdown on lat machine
7. Biceps - Incline dumbell curl


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: benchthis on March 21, 2006, 09:14:15 PM
wow thas some good shit thanx


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: tommywishbone on March 21, 2006, 09:22:43 PM
FWIW, I was involved in an 'anabolic transaction' with one of the 'natural bodybuilders' mentioned above. Did I watch him inject himself? No. Was the gear for him? I assumed it was, but...

Merci,
-Tom


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: onlyme on March 21, 2006, 09:35:00 PM
Steve Reevs was natural.  He led a very healthy life.  you can tell when he was older.  SOme the older guys just lived healthy that is why they look so good when they are older.  I don't Bill Pearl tokk roids either.  He and Steve reeves were incredible and had the perfct body most people would want in real life.  Bill is absolutely one of the finest guys I have ever met.  He is so nice and friendly and we talk allot when we see each other. 


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: cqfd on March 21, 2006, 09:49:01 PM
Bill pearl natural?

He already had a good body as a natural in the late 50s but you can clearly see a big change in the following years.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Wombat on March 21, 2006, 09:49:11 PM
they were all escilene freaks back then...If synthol would have been invented back then, they would have used it...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Wombat on March 21, 2006, 09:53:30 PM
Insecure juicers don't want to admit that there are naturals out there bigger than them.


back then it wasn't some moral issue that it seems to be today...Of course they used them...They way you "all natty" fools run the nearest GNC looking for the next big supplement...Your fooling yourself about steroids and you buy right into the propaganda the governments are throwing at you


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on March 21, 2006, 09:55:36 PM
Bill pearl natural?

He already had a good body as a natural in the late 50s but you can clearly see a big change in the following years.

He was. I trained with him when I was a teenager for three years.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Lion666 on March 21, 2006, 10:40:28 PM
thanks for the link rufjunk.  any of those guys natty, please.  and this is comin from a natty.  the stuff was legal back then it wasn't a big deal.  not like they took like the guys today.  all those pics posted on 1 are far superior than 95% of the pros today so juice not withstanding.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 21, 2006, 10:51:45 PM
He was about as natural as a potato with a dick. He used to come to Bill Pearls gym in Pasadena in the mid to late 70's with a boat load of crap from Europe trying to get rid of it. I was there. Bill didn't know a thing but I do know if he found out Nubret would have been a bloody stump!!

Yeah, you were there and I suppose you're going to tell us that Santa is real too. Bro, how did you get so delusional.  ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on March 21, 2006, 11:13:30 PM
Yeah, you were there and I suppose you're going to tell us that Santa is real too. Bro, how did you get so delusional.  ::)

STFU I've been around before you were even a thought in your daddy's pants. WORM. I can only hope YOU ARE Kamali!!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 21, 2006, 11:17:36 PM
STFU I've been around before you were even a thought in your daddy's pants. WORM. I can only hope YOU ARE Kamali!!

You're too easy.  ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: HowieW on March 21, 2006, 11:19:32 PM
BDJ: Could you relay your own experience with drug use?


Sergio Olivia: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds! So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing, you know that it's phony.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/history/topic/46705-1.html


Great points here. Sad but quite true but sensible use of drugs like decca gave a lot of bang for your buck in terms of gains vs health risks which to my knowledge are pretty minimal on that kind of stuff.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: body88 on March 21, 2006, 11:21:27 PM
Steve reeves is natural period. if you don't think that he is you must have some shitty ass genetics..... 6'1 215 is easily attainable for someone with the genetics he poss ed. hell he could have went further if he wanted to.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 21, 2006, 11:24:27 PM
He was. I trained with him when I was a teenager for three years.

Yep, you're delusional.  ???


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on March 21, 2006, 11:27:02 PM
You're too easy.  ;D


I know...it's a weakness :-\!!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on March 21, 2006, 11:32:49 PM
Yep, you're delusional.  ???

I won't fall for it again...at least not now!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 21, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
reeves was probably natural. he had the structure of a god.
nubret-no way. theres no way to have that kind of size and fullness AND 100% lean ultra deep abs at the same time with out the use of JUICE


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 22, 2006, 12:08:43 AM
I won't fall for it again...at least not now!

If you're sayin Bill Pearl was natural then your nuts.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Wombat on March 22, 2006, 12:10:46 AM
Steve reeves is natural period. if you don't think that he is you must have some shitty ass genetics..... 6'1 215 is easily attainable for someone with the genetics he poss ed. hell he could have went further if he wanted to.

what do John McEnroe weigh when he admitted to using steroids? What the hell does size and weight have to do with someone using steroids...Reeves ate like a bird...How heavy to you think your going to get eating 2000 cals a day?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 22, 2006, 12:12:17 AM
what do John McEnroe weigh when he admitted to using steroids? What the hell does size and weight have to do with someone using steroids...Reeves ate like a bird...How heavy to you think your going to get eating 2000 cals a day?

Finally a voice of reason.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: GMCtrk on March 22, 2006, 12:13:25 AM
what do John McEnroe weigh when he admitted to using steroids? What the hell does size and weight have to do with someone using steroids...Reeves ate like a bird...How heavy to you think your going to get eating 2000 cals a day?

looking at his pictures, Reeves does not have that "chemically enhanced" look at all. Looks can be wrong though...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: brianX on March 22, 2006, 12:26:37 AM
Bill Pearl started taking steroids around 1956. He was one of the first men in America to experiment with anabolic steroids. I'm pretty sure he admitted this in one of his books.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: brianX on March 22, 2006, 12:54:12 AM
back then it wasn't some moral issue that it seems to be today...Of course they used them...They way you "all natty" fools run the nearest GNC looking for the next big supplement...Your fooling yourself about steroids and you buy right into the propaganda the governments are throwing at you

Actually, lots of people were opposed to steroid use in the old days, and for the same reasons people oppose them now. You're fooling yourself if you think pumping artificial hormones into your body accomplishes anything of value in the long run. I have far more respect for someone who builds REAL muscle through HARD TRAINING than some steroid clown who trains a few months out of the year. Steroids have removed the athleticism from bodybuilding and turned it into a pharmaceutical freak show. Nobody cares about training anymore. It's all about DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Hendrix on March 22, 2006, 01:02:18 AM
Drugs used unlike that of Pros is totally acceptable who gives a fuck what took Sergio Olivia he was the MYTH.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Dos Equis on March 22, 2006, 02:11:54 AM
Hey man, the black on the top doesn't even count...we can barely even see him! AND he's black...blacks have different genes than us whities... we'll have to have two categories one for natural whites...another for natural blacks,just so it's fair.

I guess that explains why the greatest bodybuilder in history (Arnold) is white, why one of the most dominant bodybuilders in the modern era (Yates) is white, why the runner up at the last several Olympias (Cutler) is white, why two of the biggest competitive bodybuilders in the world (Gunter and Ruhl) are white. 


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gordiano on March 22, 2006, 02:13:53 AM
I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.

You actually believed it?  ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 02:25:01 AM
NONE of those people who's pictures have been posted were natural.

Even guys like Steve Reeves likely used in the 50's and 60's when Steroids were very common. Notice how during the 40's and early 50's steve reeves remained about the same size but then in the mid 50's he got massive!
Likely reeves was using oral's during the mid 50's to mid 60's. Remember The first steroids had been invented during the early 40's! So it isn't like they didn't exist!



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Jack Jj on March 22, 2006, 02:42:18 AM
Yep, steroids have been around for so long. Longer than people are willing to accept

From World Anabolic Review by P. Grunding and M. Bachmann:

"Dianabol is an oral anabolic which was developed in 1956 by the American Dr. John Ziegler in collaboration with Ciba-Geigy Company. In the US it was introduced in the market in 1960 and within a short time it was available in many countries."

Even earlier...From Anabolics by William Llewellin:

"The first solid scientific experiments in this erea, wich eventually led to the discovery and replication of testosterone (and related androgens), where undertaken int the 1800's. During this  century a number of animal experiments where published most of which involved the removal and/or implantation of testicular material from/in a subject. By the turn of the century, scientists were able to produce the first experimental androgen injection. Chemists finally synthesized the structure of testosterone in the mid 1930's, sparking a new wave of interest in this hormone."

If steroids were available in that period, then my conclusion is that they were used in that period. Heck they didnt know much of any side affects..they probaly took it as a dietary supplement.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 22, 2006, 02:59:02 AM
NONE of those people who's pictures have been posted were natural.

Even guys like Steve Reeves likely used in the 50's and 60's when Steroids were very common. Notice how during the 40's and early 50's steve reeves remained about the same size but then in the mid 50's he got massive!
Likely reeves was using oral's during the mid 50's to mid 60's. Remember The first steroids had been invented during the early 40's! So it isn't like they didn't exist!



Reeves retired in 1950 , 6 years before the first oral steroid was produced ( Dianabol ) by Ciba labs and Dr John Ziegler , and his weight at while competing was 215lbs and he remained that for years , after he retired to pursue an acting career , the directors where always asking him to drop weight , so your assesment that he got huge is backwards , durring the mid 50s and early 60s he actually got smaller , when asked directly if he ever took steroids Reeves said outright no , he never even heard of them until the mid 60s , and steroids didn't make their way into the competitive bodybuilding scene until around 1960 and Bill Pearl did admit in Muscle & Fitness he used Dinabol and was one of the first bodybuilders to do so.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 03:04:08 AM
Reeves retired in 1950 , 6 years before the first oral steroid was produced ( Dianabol ) by Ciba labs and Dr John Ziegler , and his weight at while competing was 215lbs and he remained that for years , after he retired to pursue an acting career , the directors where always asking him to drop weight , so your assesment that he got huge is backwards , durring the mid 50s and early 60s he actually got smaller , when asked directly if he ever took steroids Reeves said outright no , he never even heard of them until the mid 60s , and steroids didn't make their way into the competitive bodybuilding scene until around 1960 and Bill Pearl did admit in Muscle & Fitness he used Dinabol and was one of the first bodybuilders to do so.


Do you have pictures of Reeves from the 40's 50's and then the 60's so we can judge how his size changed? I'm pretty sure he was his largest in the mid 60's.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: MAXX on March 22, 2006, 03:20:30 AM
Reeves was strong for a natural too!
damn Reeves was a strong sob. thats 160 pounds! :o


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 03:38:15 AM
(http://timinvermont.com/vintage/sp000063.jpg)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Powerlift66 on March 22, 2006, 04:06:25 AM
Dont forget this pre-contest pic of Vince caught working in his garden..

Monster Weed Puller!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 04:17:03 AM
Dont forget this pre-contest pic of Vince caught working in his garden..

Monster Weed Puller!

lmao!!!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on March 22, 2006, 05:24:30 AM
Not bad for a natty! How much does he weight here, 150?

That pic was taken in Jimmy Caruso's gym ( Studio Caruso ) in Montreal, Canada. I trained there many time s ( It's where Roy Callendar trained for years.)

I do not think all of those plates were real, I place money on it.

The Beef


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: analcandy on March 22, 2006, 06:08:48 AM
Actually, lots of people were opposed to steroid use in the old days, and for the same reasons people oppose them now. You're fooling yourself if you think pumping artificial hormones into your body accomplishes anything of value in the long run. I have far more respect for someone who builds REAL muscle through HARD TRAINING than some steroid clown who trains a few months out of the year. Steroids have removed the athleticism from bodybuilding and turned it into a pharmaceutical freak show. Nobody cares about training anymore. It's all about DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS.
true that.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 07:55:33 AM
Actually, lots of people were opposed to steroid use in the old days, and for the same reasons people oppose them now. You're fooling yourself if you think pumping artificial hormones into your body accomplishes anything of value in the long run.

Using steroids to gain muscle mass accomplishes the same thing as training naturally to do it...Gaining muscle mass. ::)

I have far more respect for someone who builds REAL muscle through HARD TRAINING than some steroid clown who trains a few months out of the year. Steroids have removed the athleticism from bodybuilding and turned it into a pharmaceutical freak show. Nobody cares about training anymore. It's all about DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS.

1.You don't know shit about steroids do you? Anabolic steroids increase protein synthesis which builds muscle mass. That IS REAL MUSCLE MASS that is being built...What..It's fake? HAHA!

2.If you think modern pro bodybuilding is only about drugs you're deluding yourself. If steroids were all it took to become Pro..There would be ALOT more pro's out there. Do you realize how many millions of people use anabolic steroids in the world..Yet there are only a few hundred active pro's..why? The fact is...Simply using AAS doesn't make you a bodybuilder. You have to WORK HARD at it even with AAS. Pro bodybuilders train as hard as they possibly can,Have good eating habits and they also use steroids.

However keep thinking that you can pop a few pills and become a PRO...Whatever helps you sleep! ::)



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Hypertrophy on March 22, 2006, 08:27:08 AM
(http://timinvermont.com/vintage/sp000063.jpg)

Wow! I had never seen this photo before. If this is what's obtainable,  remaining totally drug free (as in AAS), I am impressed. I have  DVD's of Reeves in his Hercules movies. Incredible build and very athletic quality. Honestly, what more could you want in physique development?

18+" arms, 18+" calves, 50+" chest and small waist. No wonder he was (and is) a legend!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 08:58:01 AM
His arms are probably about 17 inches there..18 tops.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 22, 2006, 09:49:38 AM
Using steroids to gain muscle mass accomplishes the same thing as training naturally to do it...Gaining muscle mass. ::)

1.You don't know shit about steroids do you? Anabolic steroids increase protein synthesis which builds muscle mass. That IS REAL MUSCLE MASS that is being built...What..It's fake? HAHA!

2.If you think modern pro bodybuilding is only about drugs you're deluding yourself. If steroids were all it took to become Pro..There would be ALOT more pro's out there. Do you realize how many millions of people use anabolic steroids in the world..Yet there are only a few hundred active pro's..why? The fact is...Simply using AAS doesn't make you a bodybuilder. You have to WORK HARD at it even with AAS. Pro bodybuilders train as hard as they possibly can,Have good eating habits and they also use steroids.

However keep thinking that you can pop a few pills and become a PRO...Whatever helps you sleep! ::)



What happens when you stop using steroids? You become small and strong like a girl! Those that lift naturally get to keep the muscle gains for far longer than those who juice. Also without all the health risks involved. I will prove to yoiu how far a natural physique can go!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 10:04:37 AM
What happens when you stop using steroids? You become small and strong like a girl! Those that lift naturally get to keep the muscle gains for far longer than those who juice. Also without all the health risks involved. I will prove to yoiu how far a natural physique can go!


You don't know anything about the endocrine system do you?

When you are using steroids it's true that your natural testosterone goes down..However any intelligent steroid user knows that they should go on a "Post cycle Therapy" at the end of their cycle to bring their natural testosterone levels back up to normal so as they keep as much mass as possible...Usually they only loose about 15% of what they have gained...Three steps foward one step back basically.

Secondly...When your natural testosterone goes down you'll loose muscle regardless. Natural Bodybuilders natural testosterone doesn't stay high any longer than a bodybuilder who uses steroids. When you get old..You stop producing as much testosterone..When you stop producing as much Test you loose muscle..That will happen no matter what. No studies show steroid users to be unable to produce testosterone later in life..As a matter of a fact Arnold in his late 50's hasn't used steroids for years yet is much more muscular than your average 56 year old.

Thirdly....If you wanted you could continue using Steroids as you grow older and get into your 50's and 60's. Plenty of people do this...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 22, 2006, 10:09:43 AM
Explain to me why so many pos have to use testosterone therapy for life? How come when pros stop using they look average?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 11:08:57 AM
Explain to me why so many pos have to use testosterone therapy for life? How come when pros stop using they look average?

Let's see..

1.They don't.

2.They don't.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: VegasPole on March 22, 2006, 11:33:41 AM
I guess that explains why the greatest bodybuilder in history (Arnold) is white, why one of the most dominant bodybuilders in the modern era (Yates) is white, why the runner up at the last several Olympias (Cutler) is white, why two of the biggest competitive bodybuilders in the world (Gunter and Ruhl) are white. 

Well said.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 22, 2006, 11:47:50 AM

You don't know anything about the endocrine system do you?

When you are using steroids it's true that your natural testosterone goes down..However any intelligent steroid user knows that they should go on a "Post cycle Therapy" at the end of their cycle to bring their natural testosterone levels back up to normal so as they keep as much mass as possible...Usually they only loose about 15% of what they have gained...Three steps foward one step back basically.

Secondly...When your natural testosterone goes down you'll loose muscle regardless. Natural Bodybuilders natural testosterone doesn't stay high any longer than a bodybuilder who uses steroids. When you get old..You stop producing as much testosterone..When you stop producing as much Test you loose muscle..That will happen no matter what. No studies show steroid users to be unable to produce testosterone later in life..As a matter of a fact Arnold in his late 50's hasn't used steroids for years yet is much more muscular than your average 56 year old.

Thirdly....If you wanted you could continue using Steroids as you grow older and get into your 50's and 60's. Plenty of people do this...

If having  normal test levels was not enough to make you bigger then why the hell would bringing them back to normal after a cycle help you keep the gains you get from steroids. WTF!!!! You self appointed drug gurus need to do us all a favor and either commit suicide or start taking Zoloft.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The True Adonis on March 22, 2006, 11:49:04 AM
Croatch,

You and I need to have a competition...

"Strongest Natural on GetBig"

...whaddya think? I'd say you have me on upper body (bench, curls etc), reckon I could take you in the lower body (squats, deadlifts). Though I reckon we're both on a par with Reeves at least strength wise.

I'll see if I can compress avi files on my computer to post some lifts.

The Luke

I win. :)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 12:06:56 PM
If having  normal test levels was not enough to make you bigger then why the hell would bringing them back to normal after a cycle help you keep the gains you get from steroids. WTF!!!! You self appointed drug gurus need to do us all a favor and either commit suicide or start taking Zoloft.

Because muscle goes down very slowly on normal test levels. If you gain 30lbs of muscle on a cycle with test levels 5 times normal..If you go back down to normal you still have the solid muscle you have gained and it doesn't just vanish into nowhere in a few months.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 22, 2006, 12:34:52 PM
Because muscle goes down very slowly on normal test levels. If you gain 30lbs of muscle on a cycle with test levels 5 times normal..If you go back down to normal you still have the solid muscle you have gained and it doesn't just vanish into nowhere in a few months.

Ah,.............no


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 01:08:28 PM
Ah,.............no


Fraid so...Right after a Steroid cycle your natural test levels are near zero. That's why you loose so much muscle mass right after a cycle if you don't go on PCT. However if you do go on PCT and get your normal test levels back up soon you won't loose much weight after the cycle and you will gradually loose weight over the years if you don't ever cycle again. Keeping your natural test levels high isn't difficult though after a cycle.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 22, 2006, 01:23:51 PM

Fraid so...Right after a Steroid cycle your natural test levels are near zero. That's why you loose so much muscle mass right after a cycle if you don't go on PCT. However if you do go on PCT and get your normal test levels back up soon you won't loose much weight after the cycle and you will gradually loose weight over the years if you don't ever cycle again. Keeping your natural test levels high isn't difficult though after a cycle.

You're making claims which are not baked by any proof therefore they are nothing more than opinion. Unless you can prove your opinion then it is nothing more than that. Although I welcome some kind of concrete proof.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 01:37:30 PM
You're making claims which are not baked by any proof therefore they are nothing more than opinion. Unless you can prove your opinion then it is nothing more than that. Although I welcome some kind of concrete proof.


What do you want proof for? Be specific?



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Disgusted on March 22, 2006, 01:39:43 PM

What do you want proof for? Be specific?



Fraid so...Right after a Steroid cycle your natural test levels are near zero. That's why you loose so much muscle mass right after a cycle if you don't go on PCT.

This please.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 02:02:31 PM
Fraid so...Right after a Steroid cycle your natural test levels are near zero. That's why you loose so much muscle mass right after a cycle if you don't go on PCT.

This please.


What happens during a steroid cycle is your Testosterone levels increase. Your body wanting to maintain homeostasis then stops producing it's own testosterone so as your test level's don't get to high. The more steroids you use the less testosterone your own body produces. Once you stop using your body needs a few months to get back to normal test levels naturally. This is why testicular atrophy occurs..Your testicles produce testosterone. When they stop producing it they shrink. Get it? Inorder to restore hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis you go on a "post cycle therapy" that increases serum testosterone and blocks estrogen receptors.



Quote
Furthermore, to combat the natural testosterone suppression and to restore proper HPTA function, what is known as 'post cycle therapy' (PCT) is self prescribed. PCT takes place after the course of anabolic steroids. It typically consists of a combination of the following drugs depending on which protocol is used:

A SERM such as clomiphene citrate and/or tamoxifen citrate (this is the primary PCT drug).
An aromatase inhibitor such as anastrozole.
Human chorionic gonadotropin, HCG (this has become less common as it is now more often used throughout the cycle rather than after).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 22, 2006, 02:10:07 PM
Captain Apollo are you saying those bodybuilders who have been using drugs non stop for over 20 years, will have the same test levels as those who went the natural way, if they stop their cycle??


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 22, 2006, 02:20:39 PM
Captain Apollo are you saying those bodybuilders who have been using drugs non stop for over 20 years, will have the same test levels as those who went the natural way, if they stop their cycle??


As far as all scientific studies suggest..Yes. Look at pro's who were competing during the 90's such as Dorian yates. Today he's about 220 solid still and probably hasn't used for years.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 22, 2006, 02:22:28 PM

As far as all scientific studies suggest..Yes. Look at pro's who were competing during the 90's such as Dorian yates. Today he's about 220 solid still and probably hasn't used for years.

You are clearly ignorant. How old are you captain Apollo?



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Bones on March 22, 2006, 02:48:02 PM
Captain Apollo are you saying those bodybuilders who have been using drugs non stop for over 20 years, will have the same test levels as those who went the natural way, if they stop their cycle??
  Flex Wheeler wrote not to long ago that he has to use test therapy now for the rest of his life due to the amounts that he was taking when he was competing...his own system never kicked back in...I'm sure there are a lot more guys out there in the same boat.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Oldschool Flip on March 22, 2006, 04:05:31 PM
You are clearly ignorant. How old are you captain Apollo?



He claims 25, but after a couple of background checks on his REAL name ( he states it's Jonathan Apollo)
absolutely nothing came up in CA or US. He says he lives in Blythe CA and only moved there to near Mexico. He uses quotes and good scientific facts to back up most of what he says, but boy can't back up his sh*t when I offered to come to his town and go a few rounds with him. "Afraid" I might press charges on him when he "whoops" my ass. Still I waited for a reply and got none. By the way "Johnny" it's spelled lose not loose. The latter is an adjective smart ass.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Wombat on March 22, 2006, 04:11:21 PM
Actually, lots of people were opposed to steroid use in the old days, and for the same reasons people oppose them now. You're fooling yourself if you think pumping artificial hormones into your body accomplishes anything of value in the long run. I have far more respect for someone who builds REAL muscle through HARD TRAINING than some steroid clown who trains a few months out of the year. Steroids have removed the athleticism from bodybuilding and turned it into a pharmaceutical freak show. Nobody cares about training anymore. It's all about DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS.

yes but like i've stated before "all natty's" are running to GNC looking for the next big thing to make their muscles grow...And most don't care what it is as long as its "not illegal"...They have bought right into the propaganda against "steroids"...I remember back in the 80s when one could buy GHB right in GNC..and GBL up to the late 90s...A few guys in my gym who wouldn't take hormones(supposedly) were raving about what GHB were doing for them...Fast forward to the 21st century and mention GHB to almost anyone even on here and most will precieve you as a druggy or say you use a date rape drug...hell you can get more time from this drug then almost any other today...my point is that ghb got a bad rap because to the raves of the 90s and what the government put out their in the form of propaganda...Steroids aren't the main thing that is making what you call the "freaks"...I could say that "legal" inslin plays a role just as great if not greater in muscle building...The difference of todays bodybuilder and yesterdays is HGH and Inslin and igf-synthol-among other things(hardly illegal substances)with better nutrition and more information being available...Its just evolution...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: LuciusFox on March 22, 2006, 04:21:03 PM
Actually, lots of people were opposed to steroid use in the old days, and for the same reasons people oppose them now. You're fooling yourself if you think pumping artificial hormones into your body accomplishes anything of value in the long run. I have far more respect for someone who builds REAL muscle through HARD TRAINING than some steroid clown who trains a few months out of the year. Steroids have removed the athleticism from bodybuilding and turned it into a pharmaceutical freak show. Nobody cares about training anymore. It's all about DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS.

 Steroids only add 5-10%. They are a finishing touch, nothing more.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gh15 on March 22, 2006, 05:07:15 PM
Steroids only add 5-10%. They are a finishing touch, nothing more.

hormones are not only  "FINISHING TOUCH". we train natural up to 190-200 pounds@ 8-10% anything over that is hormones. now! before BOB chic is coming and getting his fat ass into what im saying....it is 5'9" 5'10" 190-200 8-10%!! every inch = 7 pounds! so for a 6'1 it will be 220lb @ 8-10% before he turns to hormones.

NOW there is no need to argue with me! i know everything when it comes to bodybuilding and the people involved in it from the local gym rat to the beggining pro to the old timer apperson kinda pro. we sell and import the products. we, unlike few claims i see around here, really make 400-500k/ year.

the real "in the know" will never try to argue with me. eventhough they dont always know who i am they simply wont.  the ones who try to argue with me are doing it out of boredom and lack of knowledge.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 22, 2006, 06:14:51 PM
hormones are not only  "FINISHING TOUCH". we train natural up to 190-200 pounds@ 8-10% anything over that is hormones. now! before BOB chic is coming and getting his fat ass into what im saying....it is 5'9" 5'10" 190-200 8-10%!! every inch = 7 pounds! so for a 6'1 it will be 220lb @ 8-10% before he turns to hormones.

NOW there is no need to argue with me! i know everything when it comes to bodybuilding and the people involved in it from the local gym rat to the beggining pro to the old timer apperson kinda pro. we sell and import the products. we, unlike few claims i see around here, really make 400-500k/ year.

the real "in the know" will never try to argue with me. eventhough they dont always know who i am they simply wont.  the ones who try to argue with me are doing it out of boredom and lack of knowledge.

I'm currently 6'4" 235 going on 260 naturally. All I take is protein and vitamins. How about you sponsering me to become mr. Olympia?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: LuciusFox on March 22, 2006, 06:34:54 PM
hormones are not only  "FINISHING TOUCH". we train natural up to 190-200 pounds@ 8-10% anything over that is hormones. now! before BOB chic is coming and getting his fat ass into what im saying....it is 5'9" 5'10" 190-200 8-10%!! every inch = 7 pounds! so for a 6'1 it will be 220lb @ 8-10% before he turns to hormones.

NOW there is no need to argue with me! i know everything when it comes to bodybuilding and the people involved in it from the local gym rat to the beggining pro to the old timer apperson kinda pro. we sell and import the products. we, unlike few claims i see around here, really make 400-500k/ year.

the real "in the know" will never try to argue with me. eventhough they dont always know who i am they simply wont.  the ones who try to argue with me are doing it out of boredom and lack of knowledge.

 Tom Prince was 230 pounds at 5-7 before taking an ounce of gear. Just because your genetics limit you to 220 pounds, doesn't mean the same for everyone else. Read Arnold's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, steroids are a finishing touch, they do not make a physique.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: sarcasm on March 22, 2006, 06:35:57 PM
that's why Prince is a buck seventy five now right?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gibberj2 on March 22, 2006, 06:46:37 PM
Anyone who says Reeves wasn't Natural is a stupid hater. This guy competed between 1946 and 1950. Gimme a break. Also Reeves stopped competing at 24 years old! If he had continued he'd have been untouchable.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Wombat on March 22, 2006, 09:31:04 PM
Tom Prince was 230 pounds at 5-7 before taking an ounce of gear. Just because your genetics limit you to 220 pounds, doesn't mean the same for everyone else. Read Arnold's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, steroids are a finishing touch, they do not make a physique.

thats pretty funny considering he wouldn't step on stage until he competed at 250(so he says) and when he did compete at 250, he was juiced to the gills...Just a 20 pound weight gain he had juiced to the gills..That must be some kind of record...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gibberj2 on March 22, 2006, 09:37:15 PM
Arnold's Encyclopedia is a terrible book.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 22, 2006, 09:38:06 PM
Arnold's Encyclopedia is a terrible book.

Its the best bodybuilding book ever! If you say otherwise just means you don't know bodybuilding!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 23, 2006, 06:53:06 AM
  Flex Wheeler wrote not to long ago that he has to use test therapy now for the rest of his life due to the amounts that he was taking when he was competing...his own system never kicked back in...I'm sure there are a lot more guys out there in the same boat.

Most likely he just made the choice to go on HRT and not the doctors. Likely he can still produce his own test(I've never seen a case of steroids stopping someone from producing forever).


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 23, 2006, 06:55:39 AM
Tom Prince was 230 pounds at 5-7 before taking an ounce of gear. Just because your genetics limit you to 220 pounds, doesn't mean the same for everyone else. Read Arnold's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, steroids are a finishing touch, they do not make a physique.


Let's see...

1.Tom Prince is a fucking liar!

2.Steroids aren't a "Finishing touch". Most Pro's since the 70's have used since their early 20's or even late teens. Arnold actually started around 18 or 19. Most likely Tom Prince started at around 17 or 18 also and used EXTREME amounts of the drugs very ignorantly.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: LuciusFox on March 23, 2006, 09:19:10 AM
 He was not in contest shape at 230, but he was in pretty decent shape ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: LuciusFox on March 23, 2006, 09:21:06 AM

Let's see...

1.Tom Prince is a fucking liar!

2.Steroids aren't a "Finishing touch". Most Pro's since the 70's have used since their early 20's or even late teens. Arnold actually started around 18 or 19. Most likely Tom Prince started at around 17 or 18 also and used EXTREME amounts of the drugs very ignorantly.

 Steroids don't make the physique. You are correct, someone can use steroids earlier, but they are not going to look any better than if they had been patient and used them as a finishing touch. They only add 5-10%.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: LuciusFox on March 23, 2006, 09:24:27 AM
Arnold's Encyclopedia is a terrible book.

 It's the most important book in the history of bodybuilding. Where else would you learn about moon boots and donkey calf raises >:(


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 23, 2006, 09:48:57 AM
Most likely he just made the choice to go on HRT and not the doctors. Likely he can still produce his own test(I've never seen a case of steroids stopping someone from producing forever).

How many cases have you seen Apollo?


Let's see...

1.Tom Prince is a fucking liar!

2.Steroids aren't a "Finishing touch". Most Pro's since the 70's have used since their early 20's or even late teens. Arnold actually started around 18 or 19. Most likely Tom Prince started at around 17 or 18 also and used EXTREME amounts of the drugs very ignorantly.

Arnold started at 13 as stated in his unauthorised bibliography! Do some research before you open your mouth!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 23, 2006, 10:16:21 AM
How many cases have you seen Apollo?

Arnold started at 13 as stated in his unauthorised bibliography! Do some research before you open your mouth!


1.Alot.

2.13? Bullshit! "Unauthorised bibilography"?? WTF is that? Post a reliable source.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 23, 2006, 05:23:34 PM
I guess that explains why the greatest bodybuilder in history (Arnold) is white, why one of the most dominant bodybuilders in the modern era (Yates) is white, why the runner up at the last several Olympias (Cutler) is white, why two of the biggest competitive bodybuilders in the world (Gunter and Ruhl) are white. 
Not to make this a black /white issue, but before you go saying that the most dominant bodybuilders in history were white don't forget that Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman, and Lenda Murray have all broken Arnold's Olympia record. Vince Taylor and Kevin Levrone both have won more pro competitions than anyone in history. Do some research before making unsubstantiated comments like this. :-*


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 23, 2006, 05:39:59 PM
Linda doesn't count as a man and Levrone is half white!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 23, 2006, 05:48:34 PM
Linda doesn't count as a man and Levrone is half white!!!!!!!!
We are talking genetics not gender and Levrone is black. If a person has one drop of black blood flowing through their veins white people will not claim them as white so don't even go there. Even if we exclude Levrone, Vince Taylor still kicks everybody's ass in the pro wins department.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 23, 2006, 05:50:44 PM
Personaly I don't think black people have better genetics. They are just more active.. me on the other hand got better genetics and work ethic than anyone!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: NYCDVR on March 23, 2006, 06:13:38 PM
Ok Alex all of those guys juice and Tom Prince is like 170lbs right now so you may want to think about that one

As far as best ever natural no contest


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: NYCDVR on March 23, 2006, 06:17:26 PM
Since your so educated on the subject of Bodybuilding I assume the man needs no introduction



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gibberj2 on March 23, 2006, 06:18:19 PM
when people say pros shrink like crazy when they retire cause they're off the juice they are only half right. when you retire you may get off the juice but the reason they shrink so much is because they RETIRE.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 23, 2006, 06:20:01 PM
Since your so educated on the subject of Bodybuilding I assume the man needs no introduction



Picture of your father or your gay lover or both?!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: body88 on March 23, 2006, 06:26:35 PM
when people say pros shrink like crazy when they retire cause they're off the juice they are only half right. when you retire you may get off the juice but the reason they shrink so much is because they RETIRE.

HAHA o man I resisted to the comment about Arnolds book being shitty..... But then this one i just couldent

Are you slow?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gibberj2 on March 23, 2006, 07:14:04 PM
Getting off the sauce makes them lose a lot of course but  people must also remember that they're not training for shows any more and sometimes not training at all for long periods of time. Flex supposedly did his last Olympia natural and he was still very big. Why would a pro retire and get off the sauce but continue to train like before? it makes no sense and that's what makes them retired. they don't train like that no more.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: myseone on March 23, 2006, 07:31:56 PM
Fans of bodybuilding can be strange; after a bodybuilder retires he/she is going to lose muscle mass and probably gain some fat. Why would they try to retain it all what would be the use, to walk on the beach as the biggest guy?

If the average pro has been training for 15-20 years at retirement (8-10 years to become pro and another 5-10 years of competing at the pro level) then he will probably want to take a break from the extremely restrictive eating schedule, the intense weight training (many actually don't seem to train any harder than the average gym rat), the extensive drug protocol, the constant cardio, and the politics and BS of the industry.

In basketball, football, tennis, soccer, rugby, baseball, sprinting, what ever the sport an athlete will not retain his/her ability or contest level when they retire. Heck most athletes start decline well before they retire.





Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: dukebrown on March 23, 2006, 11:06:22 PM
Personaly I don't think black people have better genetics. They are just more active.. me on the other hand got better genetics and work ethic than anyone!

I almost agree with his whole statement here.   But the truth is Look at how many white guys died in WWI and WWII.
No BS that is alot of warrior and strong men that got taken out of the gene pool.  It takes a couple of generations to start producing good genes again after a large kill off. 
This is why there are more blacks in competitive sports , not because of better genetics.
It is the "white man's" fault that blacks now dominate sports because they did not want to fight along side with them.

The Truth


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: MadisonWI on March 23, 2006, 11:14:13 PM
Ben Tennesen - Best Natural right now.  Look him up.

Happens to be a friend of mine.



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 24, 2006, 03:58:48 AM
I almost agree with his whole statement here.   But the truth is Look at how many white guys died in WWI and WWII.
No BS that is alot of warrior and strong men that got taken out of the gene pool.  It takes a couple of generations to start producing good genes again after a large kill off. 
This is why there are more blacks in competitive sports , not because of better genetics.
It is the "white man's" fault that blacks now dominate sports because they did not want to fight along side with them.

The Truth


Not really...Africans are naturally larger and more muscular. During the slave days slave owners would selectivly breed their slaves so as they were larger and stronger to be able to do more work. They would breed the largest black men with the largest black women..This is why we see so many blacks above 6'5"...Oh yes..It's definitily genetics. 300 years of selective breeding!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Bones on March 24, 2006, 07:07:41 AM

Not really...Africans are naturally larger and more muscular. During the slave days slave owners would selectivly breed their slaves so as they were larger and stronger to be able to do more work. They would breed the largest black men with the largest black women..This is why we see so many blacks above 6'5"...Oh yes..It's definitily genetics. 300 years of selective breeding!
   MANDINGO!! ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 24, 2006, 10:28:38 AM
I almost agree with his whole statement here.   But the truth is Look at how many white guys died in WWI and WWII.
No BS that is alot of warrior and strong men that got taken out of the gene pool.  It takes a couple of generations to start producing good genes again after a large kill off. 
This is why there are more blacks in competitive sports , not because of better genetics.
It is the "white man's" fault that blacks now dominate sports because they did not want to fight along side with them.

The Truth
You can't be serious. What are you smoking because that is some good $hit. More blacks died in the voyage over here from Africa than whites in WWI and WWII. Our race had to be strong to survive that $hit. And what do you mean blacks didn't want to fight? They weren't allowed to fight for the most part. The ones that were allowed in the military were given bull$hit jobs like cooks. There were black regiments that fought some of the fiercest battles in those wars. Your argument is total bull$hit. "Warrior and strong men,"  ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 24, 2006, 11:06:31 AM
You can't be serious. What are you smoking because that is some good $hit. More blacks died in the voyage over here from Africa than whites in WWI and WWII. Our race had to be strong to survive that $hit. And what do you mean blacks didn't want to fight? They weren't allowed to fight for the most part. The ones that were allowed in the military were given bull$hit jobs like cooks. There were black regiments that fought some of the fiercest battles in those wars. Your argument is total bull$hit. "Warrior and strong men,"  ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: MadisonWI on March 24, 2006, 11:35:15 AM

Not really...Africans are naturally larger and more muscular. During the slave days slave owners would selectivly breed their slaves so as they were larger and stronger to be able to do more work. They would breed the largest black men with the largest black women..This is why we see so many blacks above 6'5"...Oh yes..It's definitily genetics. 300 years of selective breeding!

That's a bunch of crap.  They didn't selectively breed slaves.  In fact, most slaveowners WANTED their slaves to get married since they felt they were less likely to try to escape.  Maybe a FEW tried.  But to say that blacks are bigger because of that is a joke.  If that were the case, they would have had to castrate that smaller males and sterilize the smaller black females to prevent them from breeding and "polluting the population".  Dude, slaves were screwing left and right when they got back to their "houses".  There was no systematic "selective breeding".

Black men are not generally taller than whites either.  If you are assuming this because of all of the tall blacks in the NBA (which is where I think your premise comes from) then you have to try to think more "big picture" than the NBA.  What about the classic moniker "7 foot white center"???  I would be willing to bet there are MORE 7 foot white guys than black guys in the NBA.

If you think that "300 years" of "selective breeding" occured and would do so much to increase size, then wouldn't "300 years of poor diet" cause blacks to be UNDERSIZED??  Do you think the ol' plantation owner was giving the slaves he wanted bigger, extra food and healthcare??  Prenatal vitamins???  Slaves ate for SHIT.

Owned.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: MadisonWI on March 24, 2006, 11:38:17 AM
Here's my take........

Blacks aren't more muscular. 

They have naturally less bodyfat due to the climates that blacks and white typically came from.  Not to mention they have darker skin (obviously).

Less bodyfat and darker skin make for a more muscular LOOKING person.

But if blacks were more muscular, you wouldn't have the WHITEST of WHITE guys from Eastern Europe DOMINATING powerlifting events.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: LuciusFox on March 24, 2006, 02:09:20 PM
 Hahahahahaha...I have seen this thread on Getbig 10000x  ;D Have fun boys, I'll make you some lemonade for when you're ready to come back inside.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 24, 2006, 02:13:31 PM
That's a bunch of crap.  They didn't selectively breed slaves.  In fact, most slaveowners WANTED their slaves to get married since they felt they were less likely to try to escape.  Maybe a FEW tried.  But to say that blacks are bigger because of that is a joke.  If that were the case, they would have had to castrate that smaller males and sterilize the smaller black females to prevent them from breeding and "polluting the population".  Dude, slaves were screwing left and right when they got back to their "houses".  There was no systematic "selective breeding".

Black men are not generally taller than whites either.  If you are assuming this because of all of the tall blacks in the NBA (which is where I think your premise comes from) then you have to try to think more "big picture" than the NBA.  What about the classic moniker "7 foot white center"???  I would be willing to bet there are MORE 7 foot white guys than black guys in the NBA.

If you think that "300 years" of "selective breeding" occured and would do so much to increase size, then wouldn't "300 years of poor diet" cause blacks to be UNDERSIZED??  Do you think the ol' plantation owner was giving the slaves he wanted bigger, extra food and healthcare??  Prenatal vitamins???  Slaves ate for SHIT.

Owned.


1.Maybe they did not selectivly breed them however the work they did was extremly tough and many of them died from being overworked. The slaves who were stronger and more fit would of survived and the weaker smaller ones would of died. So the stronger and larger ones were more likely to breed and pass their genes on.

2.Bad nutrition is not inhereted since it's phenotype and not genotypical change. 2 people could of lived the first 20 years of their life with terrible nutrition and be under 5'0" because of that and then have a child who is 6'0". Bad Nutrition can't be inhereted.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: NYCDVR on March 24, 2006, 05:36:21 PM
Alex its Eugen Sandow the  father of Modern Bodybuilding

He was a strongman performer in the 1890's He wrote several books on weight training

He also organized the first bodybuildinng contest ever in 1901

Oh yeah and he is the guy whose bronze statue they hand to the winner of the MR Olympia contest every year

You post the blond myth and serge nubret as natural and don't reconize Sandow? Maybe you should look a little further into things.

Or just flame away and speak on subjects you don't know




Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 24, 2006, 05:40:49 PM
Alex its Eugen Sandow the  father of Modern Bodybuilding

He was a strongman performer in the 1890's He wrote several books on weight training

He also organized the first bodybuildinng contest ever in 1901

Oh yeah and he is the guy whose bronze statue they hand to the winner of the MR Olympia contest every year

You post the blond myth and serge nubret as natural and don't reconize Sandow? Maybe you should look a little further into things.

Or just flame away and speak on subjects you don't know




I know who that is I just denounce any guy man as a bodybuilding legend!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 24, 2006, 07:00:22 PM
Looks like I'm finishing that article on ethnicity/race and how they relate to bodybuilding just in time... you guys don't seem to undestand anything about heredity or eugenics.

Look for the article late next week on the Natural board.

The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 25, 2006, 05:57:00 AM
Looks like I'm finishing that article on ethnicity/race and how they relate to bodybuilding just in time... you guys don't seem to undestand anything about heredity or eugenics.

Look for the article late next week on the Natural board.

The Luke


1.I know plenty about heredity.

2.What the fuck does Eugenics have to do with it? Do you even know what eugenics is?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 25, 2006, 09:31:18 AM
Yes I do...

My point was that some of the population pressures mentioned in this thread as being DYSgenic for bodybuilding genes, well, simply... aren't.

The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 25, 2006, 09:51:10 AM
Yes I do...

My point was that some of the population pressures mentioned in this thread as being DYSgenic for bodybuilding genes, well, simply... aren't.

The Luke

I don't know what you're talking about. Dysgenics is the weakening of a populations genetics due to weak natural selection. For instance WW1 would of caused dysgenics due to the fitter individuals going to war(and dying) and the weaker less fit one's staying home because they were not fit for military purpose thus the porliferation of weaker genetics.
Give me an example of what you mean by population pressures not being dysgenic as mentioned in this thread.

Secondly Eugenics is the selective breeding of those with "Favorable" traits and not breeding those without them so those with favorable traits are more common within a population. I don't see how this has any relation to this topic except for White slave owners selectivly breeding blacks which I myself admited might not of happened.

However this still brings us to the fact that it was not easy being a slave and the work they did was extremly difficult. MILLIONS of africans died on the trip to america and during the work they had to do. The stronger slaves would of survived long enough to breed and the weaker ones would of died out before they could of passed their weaker genetics on to the next generation. Thus the proliferation of "stronger" genetics was the result.


I'm not sure you have enough knowledge of population genetics/Evolutionary biology to write an article on the implications of race differences in bodybuilding.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: analcandy on March 25, 2006, 10:21:48 AM
reeves was probably natural. he had the structure of a god.
nubret-no way. theres no way to have that kind of size and fullness AND 100% lean ultra deep abs at the same time with out the use of JUICE

you are gay.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: SteelePegasus on March 25, 2006, 11:03:21 AM
Looks like I'm finishing that article on ethnicity/race and how they relate to bodybuilding just in time... you guys don't seem to undestand anything about heredity or eugenics.

Look for the article late next week on the Natural board.

The Luke

Please provide a link I would love to read it


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: SteelePegasus on March 25, 2006, 11:08:34 AM
Mr. Alexx we are all waiting for that picture of yours.  Show us that all of your talking can be backed up.


Those Arthur Harris pictures are sick


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 25, 2006, 04:17:03 PM
I don't know what you're talking about. Dysgenics is the weakening of a populations genetics due to weak natural selection. For instance WW1 would of caused dysgenics due to the fitter individuals going to war(and dying) and the weaker less fit one's staying home because they were not fit for military purpose thus the porliferation of weaker genetics.
Give me an example of what you mean by population pressures not being dysgenic as mentioned in this thread.

Secondly Eugenics is the selective breeding of those with "Favorable" traits and not breeding those without them so those with favorable traits are more common within a population. I don't see how this has any relation to this topic except for White slave owners selectivly breeding blacks which I myself admited might not of happened.

However this still brings us to the fact that it was not easy being a slave and the work they did was extremly difficult. MILLIONS of africans died on the trip to america and during the work they had to do. The stronger slaves would of survived long enough to breed and the weaker ones would of died out before they could of passed their weaker genetics on to the next generation. Thus the proliferation of "stronger" genetics was the result.


I'm not sure you have enough knowledge of population genetics/Evolutionary biology to write an article on the implications of race differences in bodybuilding.

Whoa... whoa...there Johnny Apollo,

Don't you know how to ask for clarification of things you don't understand? Or do you prefer taking umbridge and then launching into unfounded diatribes? Ever post of yours that I read is so defensive and aggressive it encourages me more and more to read less of them in future.

The point I was trying to make, (without pre-empting the theme of my article) was that events such as the slave trade, WW1 and WW2 simply don't have the kind of impact necessary to cause even micro-evolution among populations, despite what people think. The world wars combined only had evolutionary effects for... say 30 years, the slave trade (as it relates to African Americans) for maybe 300 years. Compare that with the cold adaption among northern European whites which lasted approx. 30,000 years. That is the kind of timescale needed to substantially concentrate genetic traits.

I'll go into more detail in my article.

As for your last point:
"I'm not sure you have enough knowledge of population genetics/Evolutionary biology to write an article on the implications of race differences in bodybuilding."
   ...is that your considered opinion based on BOTH the sentences I posted in this thread? Or ar you psychic?

The Luke
 


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 06:57:18 PM
He was about as natural as a potato with a dick. He used to come to Bill Pearls gym in Pasadena in the mid to late 70's with a boat load of crap from Europe trying to get rid of it. I was there. Bill didn't know a thing but I do know if he found out Nubret would have been a bloody stump!!

You trained at Bill Pearl's gym. He looked rugged. He would have kicked Nubret's ass for real?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 06:58:42 PM
I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.

Charlie manson said he never killed anybody also.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:00:04 PM
Reeves was strong for a natural too!

Reeves was the greatest bodybuilder of all time.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:01:04 PM
reeves is the only natural out of those pics.

Man, to have Reeves genetics!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:04:18 PM
BDJ: Could you relay your own experience with drug use?


Sergio Olivia: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds! So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing, you know that it's phony.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/history/topic/46705-1.html



Sergio is full of shit. That story has been debunked over and over. Those drugs weren't even available until 1962, 1963 time period. Reeves last competition was 1952.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:13:18 PM
Bill pearl natural?

He already had a good body as a natural in the late 50s but you can clearly see a big change in the following years.

Bill in one of his fitness books I got at the library said he took a steroid in the early 1960's. He gained weight and size but said he didn't like the way it made him look. So he experimented that one time and that was it. The book was published in 1985. I read in a forum in susequent later print runs of the book that chapter was deleted as a result of steroids being made a controlled substance by federal law. I believe him because to this day he has a great physique.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:14:58 PM
He was. I trained with him when I was a teenager for three years.

Ever see Dave Johns or Chris dickerson training?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:20:15 PM
Finally a voice of reason.


Size and strength have EVERYTHING to do with steroids in bodybuilding. McEnroe wasn't trying to get bigger. He was a fucking tennis player. Bodybuilders ARE using the sauce to get bigger and stronger. ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:22:33 PM
Yep, steroids have been around for so long. Longer than people are willing to accept

From World Anabolic Review by P. Grunding and M. Bachmann:

"Dianabol is an oral anabolic which was developed in 1956 by the American Dr. John Ziegler in collaboration with Ciba-Geigy Company. In the US it was introduced in the market in 1960 and within a short time it was available in many countries."

Even earlier...From Anabolics by William Llewellin:

"The first solid scientific experiments in this erea, wich eventually led to the discovery and replication of testosterone (and related androgens), where undertaken int the 1800's. During this  century a number of animal experiments where published most of which involved the removal and/or implantation of testicular material from/in a subject. By the turn of the century, scientists were able to produce the first experimental androgen injection. Chemists finally synthesized the structure of testosterone in the mid 1930's, sparking a new wave of interest in this hormone."

If steroids were available in that period, then my conclusion is that they were used in that period. Heck they didnt know much of any side affects..they probaly took it as a dietary supplement.


Yes, but its common knowledge bodybuilders started using them in the 1962/1963 time period.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:25:27 PM
Reeves retired in 1950 , 6 years before the first oral steroid was produced ( Dianabol ) by Ciba labs and Dr John Ziegler , and his weight at while competing was 215lbs and he remained that for years , after he retired to pursue an acting career , the directors where always asking him to drop weight , so your assesment that he got huge is backwards , durring the mid 50s and early 60s he actually got smaller , when asked directly if he ever took steroids Reeves said outright no , he never even heard of them until the mid 60s , and steroids didn't make their way into the competitive bodybuilding scene until around 1960 and Bill Pearl did admit in Muscle & Fitness he used Dinabol and was one of the first bodybuilders to do so.

All of what you posted is true. Reeves had the greatest physique ever. Not the biggest but the ideal physique. He built it before steroids were readily available. Why do people have to besmirch his reputation which is spotless?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:26:48 PM
damn Reeves was a strong sob. thats 160 pounds! :o


He was VERY strong.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:30:37 PM
Let's see..

1.They don't.

2.They don't.



It happened to Ken Caminiti who I know used a helluva less lot of juice than a competitive bodybuilder.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:36:21 PM
Tom Prince was 230 pounds at 5-7 before taking an ounce of gear. Just because your genetics limit you to 220 pounds, doesn't mean the same for everyone else. Read Arnold's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, steroids are a finishing touch, they do not make a physique.


Arnold reportedly started gulping Dianabol like candy at the ripe old age of 15. ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:39:25 PM
Ok Alex all of those guys juice and Tom Prince is like 170lbs right now so you may want to think about that one

As far as best ever natural no contest


Is that Sandow?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 25, 2006, 07:44:02 PM
You can't be serious. What are you smoking because that is some good $hit. More blacks died in the voyage over here from Africa than whites in WWI and WWII. Our race had to be strong to survive that $hit. And what do you mean blacks didn't want to fight? They weren't allowed to fight for the most part. The ones that were allowed in the military were given bull$hit jobs like cooks. There were black regiments that fought some of the fiercest battles in those wars. Your argument is total bull$hit. "Warrior and strong men,"  ::)

Ever see that show on History channel where The Congressional Medal of Honor was awarded to 7 black American soldiers for heroism in WWII? Only one of them was still alive. Awesome show. Men are men. All are created equal under the eyes of god.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 26, 2006, 10:19:38 AM
Ever see that show on History channel where The Congressional Medal of Honor was awarded to 7 black American soldiers for heroism in WWII? Only one of them was still alive. Awesome show. Men are men. All are created equal under the eyes of god.

I agree and thank you for your imput!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 26, 2006, 10:57:36 AM
Ever see that show on History channel where The Congressional Medal of Honor was awarded to 7 black American soldiers for heroism in WWII? Only one of them was still alive. Awesome show. Men are men. All are created equal under the eyes of god.



Humans aren't created by anyone expept their parents. There isn't any evidence a "GOD" plays any role in the creation of humans. Concluding one does is absurd.

All humans aren't equal. Are you saying that Cutler is EQUAL physique wise to Stephen hawking? Is Stephen Hawking EQUAL intelligence wise to Cutler? Of course not. Some people are born with shitty physiques and shitty intelligence and shitty looks and well shitty everything! Not All people are "Equal". Far from the truth.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 26, 2006, 11:01:41 AM


Humans aren't created by anyone expept their parents. There isn't any evidence a "GOD" plays any role in the creation of humans. Concluding one does is absurd.

All humans aren't equal. Are you saying that Cutler is EQUAL physique wise to Stephen hawking? Is Stephen Hawking EQUAL intelligence wise to Cutler? Of course not. Some people are born with shitty physiques and shitty intelligence and shitty looks and well shitty everything! Not All people are "Equal". Far from the truth.

Your a sad miserable human being. In other threads people have already shown you undeniable evidence of the bible's accuracy. You just chose not to believe because you are delusional!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 26, 2006, 11:23:22 AM
Your a sad miserable human being. In other threads people have already shown you undeniable evidence of the bible's accuracy. You just chose not to believe because you are delusional!


What fucking threads? You're delusional! I challenge you to go to those threads....Copy and repaste the "Undeniable evidence" In THOSE THREADS(Not this one) and i'll refute it all. The fact is...ANY arguments they have made I have refuted in minutes and if you can't see that you're fucking blind!

Don't reply to this in this thread because I don't want to bring it off topic. Go to the thread where this "Undeniable evidence" is and then show it to me and i'll refute it AGAIN just for you.

Don't reply in this thread..I wont respond to it.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 26, 2006, 11:30:37 AM

What fucking threads? You're delusional! I challenge you to go to those threads....Copy and repaste the "Undeniable evidence" In THOSE THREADS(Not this one) and i'll refute it all. The fact is...ANY arguments they have made I have refuted in minutes and if you can't see that you're fucking blind!

Don't reply to this in this thread because I don't want to bring it off topic. Go to the thread where this "Undeniable evidence" is and then show it to me and i'll refute it AGAIN just for you.

Don't reply in this thread..I wont respond to it.


The proof is right in front of you but you choose to keep your eyes closed. Your a smart guy Apollo, you can do the research yourself.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 26, 2006, 11:32:41 AM

The proof is right in front of you but you choose to keep your eyes closed. Your a smart guy Apollo, you can do the research yourself.



Evasion...


Put up or Shut up.


Post the "Evidence" in that thread "If you aren't lifting for God..." And i'll refute it all.

This is the last time i'll even post about this in this thread.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 26, 2006, 11:35:26 AM


Evasion...


Put up or Shut up.


Post the "Evidence" in that thread "If you aren't lifting for God..." And i'll refute it all.

This is the last time i'll even post about this in this thread.

Johny has a priest molested you or something when you where a young brat? Ok I will go look for the evidence to save whats left of your soul!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The BEAST on March 26, 2006, 05:27:52 PM


All humans aren't equal. Are you saying that Cutler is EQUAL physique wise to Stephen hawking? Is Stephen Hawking EQUAL intelligence wise to Cutler? Of course not. Some people are born with shitty physiques and shitty intelligence and shitty looks and well shitty everything! Not All people are "Equal". Far from the truth.

So when you say all men are not equal are you saying that some are more important then others...and if that is true then who is the judge of who is more important and who is less.  With this statement you seem to be taking away the value of every person.  Just because I may not be as intelligent as Stephen Hawking, can't write as well as Ayn Rand, and am not as beautiful as Angelina Jolie-I am not equal to these people as a human being, their life is more important than mine?

Please tell me how important I am and how important you are-you seem to have all the answers.  Every single person is UNIQUE... I believe that people are equal-we all have different talents and personalities that no one else has.  In you little example it seems that if your mother died it wouldn't matter as much because she is not "equal" in intelligence or strength or popularity then someone else.  This just isn't true in real life because if your mother died it would affect You more deeply then if Jay Cutler or Stephen Hawking died.  One person is not more important then another, they just bring different things into our World-you can't judge everyone on the same scale.   



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmacsys on March 26, 2006, 05:53:35 PM
I almost agree with his whole statement here.   But the truth is Look at how many white guys died in WWI and WWII.
No BS that is alot of warrior and strong men that got taken out of the gene pool.  It takes a couple of generations to start producing good genes again after a large kill off. 
This is why there are more blacks in competitive sports , not because of better genetics.
It is the "white man's" fault that blacks now dominate sports because they did not want to fight along side with them.

The Truth

That is utter nonsense. Please don't have children and reproduce from your genes. ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 27, 2006, 05:55:52 AM
So when you say all men are not equal are you saying that some are more important then others...and if that is true then who is the judge of who is more important and who is less.  With this statement you seem to be taking away the value of every person.  Just because I may not be as intelligent as Stephen Hawking, can't write as well as Ayn Rand, and am not as beautiful as Angelina Jolie-I am not equal to these people as a human being, their life is more important than mine?

Please tell me how important I am and how important you are-you seem to have all the answers.  Every single person is UNIQUE... I believe that people are equal-we all have different talents and personalities that no one else has.  In you little example it seems that if your mother died it wouldn't matter as much because she is not "equal" in intelligence or strength or popularity then someone else.  This just isn't true in real life because if your mother died it would affect You more deeply then if Jay Cutler or Stephen Hawking died.  One person is not more important then another, they just bring different things into our World-you can't judge everyone on the same scale.   



How does one judge "Importance"? As far as "Personal importance" goes i'm sure "Bob" from podunk idaho is very important to his family and or friends. However as you will notice I never used the word "Important" considering just about anyone can be "important" to anyone else regardless of attributes. No..I'm refering to "Equality". Let us use the example of "Gog" and "Magog" fictional chacters for this example. Let's say Gog is strong,intelligent,Brave,Handsome,Healthy,Fast..In short he has all of the attributes someone could have. Now let's say Magog has no attributes, He is weak,stupid,cowardly,ugly,lazy and unhealthy and inconsiderate. Is Gog=Magog? Of course not. In noway is Gog equal to Magog. Gog is obviously superior in every way be it from genetics or simply from work.

To say "Everyone is equal" doesn't make sense. What are they equal in? Maybe "Equal in the eyes of the law" but "Equal outright"? No. Not everyone is "Equal"..Some people are born superior to others genetically. Some people are born richer some people work to get superior. Some people have all of the attributes you can imagine. Some people have hardly any.

Just because everyone is "Unique" does not mean they are all equal. Everyone is different but that does not mean everyone is equal. Clearly not everyone is "equal". Some are Superior, Some are Inferior as far as attributes go.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: GET_BIGGER on March 27, 2006, 09:32:45 AM
Everyone is different and has their own special skills and attributes.  Just because you don't understand their attributes, or they chose not to refine them doesn't mean their any less equal then someone who choses to refine and practice their attributes.  Granted others have more of an "opportunity" to be successful and taught, but that has nothing to do with their equality.   


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 27, 2006, 09:47:03 AM
Everyone is different and has their own special skills and attributes.  Just because you don't understand their attributes, or they chose not to refine them doesn't mean their any less equal then someone who choses to refine and practice their attributes.  Granted others have more of an "opportunity" to be successful and taught, but that has nothing to do with their equality.   


No. Some people are born without anything to offer and no skills or attributes. Some people are born with deadly diseases that make the cripple and unable to work or do anything. Some people are born cripple,retarded and basically unable to do anything also. So it doesn't matter what their environment is, They won't go as far in life as someone who is healthy and fit.

Genetics play a large role in how successful you will be in life and like it or not some people are delt a better hand than others.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: GET_BIGGER on March 27, 2006, 09:56:47 AM

No. Some people are born without anything to offer and no skills or attributes. Some people are born with deadly diseases that make the cripple and unable to work or do anything. Some people are born cripple,retarded and basically unable to do anything also. So it doesn't matter what their environment is, They won't go as far in life as someone who is healthy and fit.

Genetics play a large role in how successful you will be in life and like it or not some people are delt a better hand than others.

It's not the hand your delt but how you play it.  As far as healthy people are concerend, everyone has talent whether they know it or not. It's part of thier personality, character, make-up, who they are.  Whether they chose to use it or not is up to them.  I think in a sense your getting determination mixed up with equality.  Disease, thats a whole other topic in my opinion.  If you would like to debate about that PM me.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 27, 2006, 10:01:52 AM
It's not the hand your delt but how you play it.  As far as healthy people are concerend, everyone has talent whether they know it or not. It's part of thier personality, character, make-up, who they are.  Whether they chose to use it or not is up to them.  I think in a sense your getting determination mixed up with equality.  Disease, thats a whole other topic in my opinion.  If you would like to debate about that PM me.

The initial claim was "Everyone is equal" and I haven't seen anyone demonstrate how this is true.

Explain to me how someone born into a Coma or born without arms or legs can possibly be "equal" with someone who is completly healthy? How do people born into comas "Play the hand they are delt"? lol.

If "Everyone is equal" then no matter how hard you work..You can never become superior to anyone else? Well then what's the point of working hard and improving yourself? Why not be a bum who doesn't do anything for himself and never workout or eat healthy or study because afterall..You'll still equal!  ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: GET_BIGGER on March 27, 2006, 10:07:21 AM
The initial claim was "Everyone is equal" and I haven't seen anyone demonstrate how this is true.

Explain to me how someone born into a Coma or born without arms or legs can possibly be "equal" with someone who is completly healthy? How do people born into comas "Play the hand they are delt"? lol.

If "Everyone is equal" then no matter how hard you work..You can never become superior to anyone else? Well then what's the point of working hard and improving yourself? Why not be a bum who doesn't do anything for himself and never workout or eat healthy or study because afterall..You'll still equal!  ::)

This time did you ready MY response?   ;D  As healthy people are concerned I believe they are equal and they can play the hand they are dealt.  Homeless people usually have a disability or disease and have nobody willing to take care of them.  Homeless people who are not disabled or have a disease IMO have a determination problem and chose not to use their attributes that everyone has.....which in my opinion makes them equal to everyone else even though their attrubutes may be different.   


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 27, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
This time did you ready MY response?   ;D  As healthy people are concerned I believe they are equal and they can play the hand they are dealt.  Homeless people usually have a disability or disease and have nobody willing to take care of them.  Homeless people who are not disabled or have a disease IMO have a determination problem and chose not to use their attributes that everyone has.....which in my opinion makes them equal to everyone else even though their attrubutes may be different.   


So explain to me in what way is "Gog" equal to "Magog"? You don't seem to be reading or understanding what i'm typing. There are people out there who have no real attributes and aren't "equal" to other people in any sort of way. Be they weak or ignorant or what have you, They aren't equal in any sense of the term to superior people.

Some people who have a "Determination problem" might suffer from a mental disorder such as ADD/ADHD..So saying they aren't "Playing the cards they are delt" doesn't make sense since if they have a mental disorder those ARE the cards they were delt. In which case they have a much more difficult time even staying on the same level as others let alone being "equal".

Secondly people with born disabilities really can't be equal in any way...Espically the more severe one's.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: brianX on March 27, 2006, 11:26:47 AM

Not really...Africans are naturally larger and more muscular. During the slave days slave owners would selectivly breed their slaves so as they were larger and stronger to be able to do more work. They would breed the largest black men with the largest black women..This is why we see so many blacks above 6'5"...Oh yes..It's definitily genetics. 300 years of selective breeding!

Nonsense. Most American blacks are descended from a small group of slaves who arrived in the late 18th century. Black slaves were only present in numbers in the US for around 90 years, hardly enough time for a massive breeding experiment. White interbreeding with the slaves had a far more significant effect on black racial characteristics. Almost all American blacks have some white ancestry, which accounts for many of their physical traits. West African blacks (from whom American blacks are descended) aren't particularly big or strong. Instead, Africans were chosen mainly for their resistance to disease (malaria, etc).

Africans are not a monolithic group, either. West Africans are different from East Africans. I don't think there's any scientific evidence that "Africans" are taller or more muscular than whites. White people from the Nordic countries have always dominated strength sports, and Denmark actually has the tallest population of any country.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: G.R.H. on March 28, 2006, 04:30:04 PM
nice pics for naturals!  :o


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: CAPTAIN MARVEL on March 28, 2006, 11:37:44 PM
Apollo, keep your Nietzchean bullshit out of this thread and go fuck your sister like your hero.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 29, 2006, 10:13:52 AM
Apollo, keep your Nietzchean bullshit out of this thread and go f**k your sister like your hero.




He never was in love with his sister contrary to popular belief. He loved Lou Andreas-Salomé. His sister was very protective of him though and seemed to of broken their relationship up.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 29, 2006, 10:42:25 AM
Can we get off the topic of race and just post some pics of some great drug free bodybuilders?  Here' three plus one of myself. 8)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Ursus on March 29, 2006, 12:21:48 PM
i thought dianabol was invented to put meat on pow's and holocaust people before being reunited with family batallion etc...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Bast175 on March 29, 2006, 12:34:52 PM
i thought dianabol was invented to put meat on pow's and holocaust people before being reunited with family batallion etc...

HAHHAHA, not at all.  It was created by a German doctor for nazi soldiers.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 29, 2006, 12:48:18 PM
Alexxx's new ideal!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 29, 2006, 12:50:15 PM
HAHHAHA, not at all.  It was created by a German doctor for nazi soldiers.


No..Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) was created by an american doctor named John Bosley Ziegler and was released in the US by Ciba a swiss company.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 29, 2006, 12:59:17 PM

No..Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) was created by an american doctor named John Bosley Ziegler and was released in the US by Ciba a swiss company.

In what year?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Ursus on March 29, 2006, 01:11:26 PM
guy who owns my gym was a big name in uk bodybuilding knew every bodybuilder said he knew of it in the 40s. alsos he has corner of file page from betil fox saying "not doin it" when tlkin abt doin shows. in ealy 80s or late 70s my gym owner had organised 20+ guest posing shows for bertil, her was to earn £17, 000 for it, a lot of money!

bertil was apparantly anti white and sed wat r u gettin from this? he wa smore concerned with ppl trying to hamstring him and wat he was making from it than his own large fee.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: gibberj2 on March 29, 2006, 01:11:50 PM
Alexxx if you wanna look like Reeves you'll never win any contests that aren't natural. make up your mind.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Johnny Apollo on March 29, 2006, 02:53:43 PM
Wasn't released until 1956.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Crazykid909 on March 31, 2006, 03:30:12 PM
The Luke and Croatch should definatly do a comp.....maybe even a boxing match.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on April 01, 2006, 04:06:17 PM
Hey Crazykid909,

What do you mean by that comment??

"The Luke and Croatch should definatly do a comp.....maybe even a boxing match."

There's no beef between Croatch and I... Don't be starting shite, this board is already overflowing with petty fueds and squabbles.

Or am I misinterpreting you??

The luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on April 09, 2006, 01:23:38 PM
BUMP :)


Hey mods I think you should pin this topic and keep posting pics and routines of all the best natural physiques. Could be like a shrine.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: candidate2025 on April 09, 2006, 05:50:18 PM
Alexxx's new ideal!
about on par with your genetics, loser. haha.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: candidate2025 on April 09, 2006, 05:52:45 PM
Ok Alex all of those guys juice and Tom Prince is like 170lbs right now so you may want to think about that one

As far as best ever natural no contest
EBING CHREDDED DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD BODYBUILDER!!!!

this guy loooks like hes 14 years old.      sssmmaaaaallllllll.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: candidate2025 on April 09, 2006, 05:54:10 PM
Reeves was strong for a natural too!

those are only 100's.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on April 09, 2006, 05:57:08 PM
about on par with your genetics, loser. haha.

That must be the greatest compliment ever from anyone. Thank you.

those are only 100's.

You do have math classes right? Don't skip them again!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: DK II on November 23, 2007, 08:50:58 AM
reeves is the only natural out of those pics.

bump!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: beard on December 30, 2007, 11:50:06 AM
The problem with most naturals is that most naturals aren't naturals. ::)

So.. if naturals only could be natural, then it would be much easier for us naturals ...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on December 30, 2007, 03:54:26 PM
There are no real natural sports, only on paper.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on January 28, 2008, 10:19:51 AM
Here are a few random shots from a photo shoot this summer one week out from the 2007 NPC Coastal USA.
Photos by Jim Hartz.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: mrhighintensity on January 29, 2008, 04:06:56 AM
Me at my best shape ever at 198lbs - currently getting ready for Musclemania Superbody in June trying ti compete in same condition just a few pounds heavier  - MR


(http://a302.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_68fe13b30e7660217d65e54c2564a67d.jpg)

www.markusreinhardt.com (http://www.markusreinhardt.com)
www.myspace.com/markusreinhardt (http://www.myspace.com/markusreinhardt)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on January 29, 2008, 05:47:16 AM
Me at my best shape ever at 198lbs - currently getting ready for Musclemania Superbody in June trying ti compete in same condition just a few pounds heavier  - MR


(http://a302.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_68fe13b30e7660217d65e54c2564a67d.jpg)

www.markusreinhardt.com (http://www.markusreinhardt.com)
www.myspace.com/markusreinhardt (http://www.myspace.com/markusreinhardt)
Most impressive. Good luck.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: mrhighintensity on January 29, 2008, 01:39:27 PM
Most impressive. Good luck.

Thx my man! - Just checkd ur site out - the fact that ur a drug free for life blows me away - all respect to you my man!

MR


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: jrod on February 02, 2008, 07:46:58 PM
Chris Faildo


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: jrod on February 02, 2008, 07:48:37 PM
Skip


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: jrod on February 02, 2008, 07:50:19 PM
Jeff Willet


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: stuntmovie on February 21, 2008, 01:41:33 PM
Regarding Steve Reeves and when he was in his best shape ........

Check out a 1954 MGM movie production called "ATHENA". Steve had a role in that movie and he was in great shape for a couple of scenes.

It's available on DVD if you can find it.






Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 02, 2008, 04:12:58 AM
Jeff Willet

Hhahahaaha jrod you are delusional!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmuscle90 on March 02, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
Philip Recardo Jr who won the gold medal at the natural olympia in Greece.  Also staff sergeant in the U.S. Marines.  Very good build.

(http://www.southernmuscleplus.com/images/webquality/2005_05/South_FL_Overalls.jpg)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 04, 2008, 02:21:43 PM
Philip Recardo Jr who won the gold medal at the natural olympia in Greece.  Also staff sergeant in the U.S. Marines.  Very good build.

(http://www.southernmuscleplus.com/images/webquality/2005_05/South_FL_Overalls.jpg)
Very impressive physique.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 06, 2008, 08:03:44 AM
Very impressive physique.


Indeed. And by judging the shoulders you can also see that he is natural.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: dam225 on March 06, 2008, 01:06:35 PM
Very impressive physique.


Rico is the man


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: romeo on March 07, 2008, 09:16:22 AM
Indeed. And by judging the shoulders you can also see that he is natural.

what do you mean by that musclehedz?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Slintowin4424 on March 07, 2008, 11:58:05 AM
I can promise you that he is not always natural


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: DK II on March 07, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
I can promise you that he is not always natural

thanks for a voice of reason.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmuscle90 on March 07, 2008, 03:56:06 PM
The Iatomasi family.  Father in middle with two sons.. good size arms and waist.  Look much better than most these guys who take juice and walk around with fat guts and deformed shoulders.  Respect to them.

(http://www.naturalmuscle.com/assets/images/db_images/db_DSC_00361.jpg)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 07, 2008, 03:58:11 PM
what do you mean by that musclehedz?


Lifetime naturals don't have large/round/full shoulders.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 07, 2008, 03:59:28 PM
The Iatomasi family.  Father in middle with two sons.. good size arms and waist.  Look much better than most these guys who take juice and walk around with fat guts and deformed shoulders.  Respect to them.

(http://www.naturalmuscle.com/assets/images/db_images/db_DSC_00361.jpg)


Straight out of the concentration camp. No disrespect but who wants to look at this?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmuscle90 on March 07, 2008, 07:30:57 PM
Too much trash talking..  more naturals looking good.  People take drugs and look like nothing because they dont push themselves to eat and train right.  Thats what it is.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 08, 2008, 04:05:02 PM
Too much trash talking..  more naturals looking good.  People take drugs and look like nothing because they dont push themselves to eat and train right.  Thats what it is.

Exactly. Those juicers look like shit. They lack discipline and don't want to train and eat right.

(http://www.inbfnys.com/images/levrone.jpg)



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Ursus on March 08, 2008, 04:24:23 PM
about that round shoulders its possible to have round full shoulders if you are lifetime natural and have good genetics and been training for many years.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: alexxx on March 08, 2008, 09:09:47 PM
about that round shoulders its possible to have round full shoulders if you are lifetime natural and have good genetics and been training for many years.

I definitely agree with Goudy. Your genetic shape dictates the fullness of your shoulder girdle but that does not mean you cannot improve on what you where given.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: slaveboy1980 on March 09, 2008, 04:19:33 PM
 ::) willett nor la cock are natural.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 09, 2008, 07:43:30 PM
Philip Recardo Jr who won the gold medal at the natural olympia in Greece.  Also staff sergeant in the U.S. Marines.  Very good build.

(http://www.southernmuscleplus.com/images/webquality/2005_05/South_FL_Overalls.jpg)

AWESOME CALVES!  ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 10, 2008, 09:25:43 AM
::) willett nor la cock are natural.
On paper they are


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 10, 2008, 09:26:59 AM
about that round shoulders its possible to have round full shoulders if you are lifetime natural and have good genetics and been training for many years.

Show me


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 10, 2008, 07:08:52 PM
Show me
Round from every angle, and lifetime drug-free baby!!! Pics taken at the 2007 Team Universe.



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: flexingtonsteele on March 10, 2008, 07:52:45 PM
baby herc whats ur stats?

and how did u place at the team u's?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 10, 2008, 08:23:26 PM
baby herc whats ur stats?

and how did u place at the team u's?
I competed in the lightweights in that show at a weight if 147 at 5'4". I placed 7th  :(
I am currently 165 and 10 weeks out from the Jr USA. I am sitting at about 8% bodyfat right now, so I figure I'll be 150-153 the day of the show.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 11, 2008, 02:22:27 AM
Round from every angle, and lifetime drug-free baby!!! Pics taken at the 2007 Team Universe.




I'm talking about heavyweights, not bantam.  You are not match for that sgt.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 11, 2008, 08:14:27 AM

I'm talking about heavyweights, not bantam.  You are not match for that sgt.
Roundness and fullness of the delts doesn't have anything to do with a weightclass. Its more about how you train and your genetics. You "might" have a point if you are talking about the extreme development in the delts of drug users, but it still comes down to genetics and training. There are plenty of big guys who use steroids and have crappy shoulder development due to the fact that they either don't train them likke they should, or didn't pick the right parents ;D
My dad had great shoulder development back in his prime in the Marine Corps at a height of 5'10" and a weight of 210. Totally natural. So I got it honestly. Everything but the height >:(  I blame my mom for that ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: jaejonna on March 11, 2008, 10:45:15 AM
shoulders are mostly genetic, that and calves are my best bodyparts..


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: bmuscle90 on March 14, 2008, 04:48:01 PM
Both baby hercules and jaejonna have good builds.   Natural is the way to go.  So many people are taking steroids and all types of drugs but they look terrible.  Why risk getting guts and deformed arms?  So many are mad because the natural who trains harder looks better in the end.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 15, 2008, 01:48:58 AM
Both baby hercules and jaejonna have good builds.   Natural is the way to go.  So many people are taking steroids and all types of drugs but they look terrible.  Why risk getting guts and deformed arms?  So many are mad because the natural who trains harder looks better in the end.

Ye, just take a look at the "natural" pro's and the real guys at the IFBB.  ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 09:24:52 AM
shoulders are mostly genetic, that and calves are my best bodyparts..

Everything is genetic. Muscle size, structure, quality...genetic. Drug response, genetic. Metabolism, genetic. Bone structure, genetic. All genetic.

People need to stop talking about hard work because hard work is a given. I know lots of guys who bust their arse with diet and lifting and look totally average because of shitty genetics.

It's all genetics, drugs or no drugs.



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 11:47:57 AM
Everything is genetic. Muscle size, structure, quality...genetic. Drug response, genetic. Metabolism, genetic. Bone structure, genetic. All genetic.

People need to stop talking about hard work because hard work is a given. I know lots of guys who bust their arse with diet and lifting and look totally average because of shitty genetics.

It's all genetics, drugs or no drugs.


Hardwork and nutrition is a given, eh?

Fvcking idiot.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 04:51:11 PM
Hardwork and nutrition is a given, eh?

Fvcking idiot.

For some people it is, Mr. Mo-Ham-Head. I was referring to people I know for whom it is a give but make few gains because of genetic limitations.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 15, 2008, 05:10:16 PM
Keep it civil children... this isn't the Y-board.


The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 05:14:36 PM
For some people it is, Mr. Mo-Ham-Head. I was referring to people I know for whom it is a give but make few gains because of genetic limitations.
and among people I've seen there is a guy who blew up from 150 pounds to 190 pounds naturally because he got his diet and exercise in order...he is still lean w/ abs. Yea, some people have it easy, and others have to work harder. But everything isn't 'all genetics' as u claim, diet and exercise are a big big factor.

Like your obession with irrelevant topics, i don't think the 'all genetics' thing is going away anytime soon for ya  ;)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 05:19:00 PM
Keep it civil children... this isn't the Y-board.


The Luke

Haider never keeps it civil. He invades my posts with childish, snide remarks all the time. I have offered him an opportunity to let it go and just keep it polite but he kept on about it so I am just repaying him in kind.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 05:20:30 PM
and among people I've seen there is a guy who blew up from 150 pounds to 190 pounds naturally because he got his diet and exercise in order...he is still lean w/ abs. Yea, some people have it easy, and others have to work harder. But everything isn't 'all genetics' as u claim, diet and exercise are a big big factor.

Like your obession with irrelevant topics, i don't think the 'all genetics' thing is going away anytime soon for ya  ;)

My comment on all genetics presupposed proper diet and exercise. What don't you get about that kid?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 05:46:13 PM
My comment on all genetics presupposed proper diet and exercise. What don't you get about that kid?
you clearly said it's all genetics, as a general statement; downplaying the role of diet and exercise like that's the "easy part".

btw, u need to calm the fvck down, it ain't all that serious. Saying that for the millionth time anyway.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 15, 2008, 07:05:42 PM
Haider,

Stop argument mongering.

Deicide has a good point that genetics can be a major deciding factor in bodybuilding success... natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way... among successful natural trainees you have already filtered out those who don't train hard; don't eat right; don't rest properly... with all those variables being standardized, yes, genetics are the deciding factor.

If you don't agree with the blanket statement "all down to genetics", then please ask for clarification before resorting to personal attacks.



The Luke 


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 07:32:28 PM
Haider,

Stop argument mongering.

Deicide has a good point that genetics can be a major deciding factor in bodybuilding success... natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way... among successful natural trainees you have already filtered out those who don't train hard; don't eat right; don't rest properly... with all those variables being standardized, yes, genetics are the deciding factor.

If you don't agree with the blanket statement "all down to genetics", then please ask for clarification before resorting to personal attacks.



The Luke 

Cheers...

Dia Dhuit agus Tapadh leat!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 15, 2008, 07:42:34 PM
Dia Dhuit agus Tapadh leat!

...Tapadh leat?

Gaeilge? An bhfuil cupla focal agat?


The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 08:07:40 PM
...Tapadh leat?

Gaeilge? An bhfuil cupla focal agat?


The Luke

Hmm...fucking mutation and Celtic languages....you got me...I would hazard a guess I fear it is wrong.

What does it mean?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 15, 2008, 08:17:30 PM
Gaeilge? An bhfuil cupla focal agat?

translation:
"Irish? Are you an Irish speaker?"

That "Tapadh leat" is not Irish by the way, well not to the best of my knowledge.



The Luke




Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 08:25:19 PM
Haider,

Stop argument mongering.

Deicide has a good point that genetics can be a major deciding factor in bodybuilding success... natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way... among successful natural trainees you have already filtered out those who don't train hard; don't eat right; don't rest properly... with all those variables being standardized, yes, genetics are the deciding factor.

If you don't agree with the blanket statement "all down to genetics", then please ask for clarification before resorting to personal attacks.



The Luke 
there were no personal attacks, he clearly said "all genetics" as he has been in the past. Him backpeddling on his points is not my fault, I was merely defending the reason for my original reply.

I highly disagree with your contention that we all train and eat with the same discipline (in bold), or in a proper scientific manner (periodised training, lean bulking, etc.). The rest of your post isn't something I disagreed with at all.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 08:49:48 PM
there were no personal attacks, he clearly said "all genetics" as he has been in the past. Him backpeddling on his points is not my fault, I was merely defending the reason for my original reply.

I highly disagree with your contention that we all train and eat with the same discipline (in bold), or in a proper scientific manner (periodised training, lean bulking, etc.). The rest of your post isn't something I disagreed with at all.

My post presupposed it. That was the point.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 09:05:51 PM
My post presupposed it. That was the point.
why the fvck would u do that? I understood what you were saying, just didn't agree with why you would do such a thing, unless ofcourse you think the role of these two things are minimal.  :)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 09:07:26 PM
why the fvck would u do that? I understood what you were saying, just didn't agree with why you would do such a thing, unless ofcourse you think the role of these two things are minimal.  :)

Obviously I think diet and training are essential, however given these factors, only superior genetics will prevail.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 09:14:27 PM
Obviously I think diet and training are essential, however given these factors, only superior genetics will prevail.
you can't do anything about genetics, only what you eat and how you train. Stop whining  ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 09:20:56 PM
you can't do anything about genetics, only what you eat and how you train. Stop whining  ;D

I am not whining. I have bad genetics when it comes to bodybuilding. I lift because I enjoy it as well as for philosophical reasons.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 09:26:33 PM
I am not whining. I have bad genetics when it comes to bodybuilding. I lift because I enjoy it as well as for philosophical reasons.
i think you are, u keep bringing it up.

Speaking of reasons for lifting weights, I still haven't figured out mine. It's jsut kind of an obsession  ;D But I enjoy it  :)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
i think you are, u keep bringing it up.

Speaking of reasons for lifting weights, I still haven't figured out mine. It's jsut kind of an obsession  ;D But I enjoy it  :)

Stating facts does not equate to whining.

Do you have good genetics? I have never seen pics of you?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 15, 2008, 09:49:30 PM
Stating facts does not equate to whining.

Do you have good genetics? I have never seen pics of you?
Repeating them is, insisting over and over their improtance over hard work...i'd call that whining  :P

my genetics are fine, i guess my height sucks for bodybuilding and my chest is asymmetric (like i tore my right pec or something). I have good width, good quads (from a LOT of squatting), my traps grow from jsut deadlifting, but my calves suck (genetic ;D).


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 15, 2008, 10:35:26 PM
Repeating them is, insisting over and over their improtance over hard work...i'd call that whining  :P

my genetics are fine, i guess my height sucks for bodybuilding and my chest is asymmetric (like i tore my right pec or something). I have good width, good quads (from a LOT of squatting), my traps grow from jsut deadlifting, but my calves suck (genetic ;D).

I agree. Shrugs are unecessary in my opinion for traps, deadlifts and shoulder exercises take care of them.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Master on March 16, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
Haider,

Stop argument mongering.

Deicide has a good point that genetics can be a major deciding factor in bodybuilding success... natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way... among successful natural trainees you have already filtered out those who don't train hard; don't eat right; don't rest properly... with all those variables being standardized, yes, genetics are the deciding factor.

If you don't agree with the blanket statement "all down to genetics", then please ask for clarification before resorting to personal attacks.



The Luke 

That = a load of horsecrap. Most natural trainers don't even have their long term calorie deficit/surplus in order while dieting. Success as a natural when it comes to BF and gaining solid mass over the long term is mostly dependant on having a solid long term system that is followed every day over many months. Most naturals don't have it. Presuming a "standardized" eating plan for naturals = as delusional as they come.



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 16, 2008, 12:20:17 PM
That = a load of horsecrap. Most natural trainers don't even have their long term calorie deficit in order while dieting. Success as a natural when it comes to BF and gaining solid mass over the long term is mostly dependant on having a solid long term system that is followed every day over many months. Most naturals don't have it. Presuming a "standardized" eating plan for naturals = as delusional as they come.


Debussey comes for the rescue, thank you my friend  8)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Beefjake on March 16, 2008, 12:27:48 PM
I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.

I think that I read from muscle mag that Ronnie Coleman is all natural being police officer and all...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Master on March 16, 2008, 12:52:24 PM
So when you say all men are not equal are you saying that some are more important then others...and if that is true then who is the judge of who is more important and who is less.  With this statement you seem to be taking away the value of every person.  Just because I may not be as intelligent as Stephen Hawking, can't write as well as Ayn Rand, and am not as beautiful as Angelina Jolie-I am not equal to these people as a human being, their life is more important than mine?

Please tell me how important I am and how important you are-you seem to have all the answers.  Every single person is UNIQUE... I believe that people are equal-we all have different talents and personalities that no one else has.  In you little example it seems that if your mother died it wouldn't matter as much because she is not "equal" in intelligence or strength or popularity then someone else.  This just isn't true in real life because if your mother died it would affect You more deeply then if Jay Cutler or Stephen Hawking died.  One person is not more important then another, they just bring different things into our World-you can't judge everyone on the same scale.   



haha! ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 16, 2008, 02:37:13 PM
That = a load of horsecrap. Most natural trainers don't even have their long term calorie deficit/surplus in order while dieting. Success as a natural when it comes to BF and gaining solid mass over the long term is mostly dependant on having a solid long term system that is followed every day over many months. Most naturals don't have it. Presuming a "standardized" eating plan for naturals = as delusional as they come.

Debussey,

I made the point that among SUCCESSFUL naturals training and diet are all standardised with genetics making the final differences, because you simply can't be successful as a natural if you do things incorrectly.

You say that isn't true because many naturals don't diet properly or successfully?


I think maybe you misread my post.... because your aggressive retort boils down to me claiming that all successful naturals diet properly (they can't be "all drugs" after all), and you interject that the non-successful ones don't diet properly.


This is what I'm talking about with regards to the argument mongering.
   You start a post by quoting my point then commenting: "That = a load of horsecrap".... then you go on to show that you don't disagree with me, you simply think you do because you've either only scanned my post and mischaracterized my contention, or lack basic reading comprehension.

Please re-read my original post. I'll await your apology.



The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 16, 2008, 02:54:17 PM
Luke you did say, and I quote "natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way".

So really what were u trying to say? It seems you made two contradictory statements before even completing your sentence, and you're blaming us for hte confusion?

If you say so  ;)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: War-Horse on March 16, 2008, 04:20:02 PM
Luke you did say, and I quote "natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way".

So really what were u trying to say? It seems you made two contradictory statements before even completing your sentence, and you're blaming us for hte confusion?

If you say so  ;)


Good gawd, Are you a retard?   You and debuusey need comprehension skills.

Translation: "All things being equal....nutrition & shit...your results may differ as far as genetics go" 

Thats what theyre trying to say...not minimizing one or all....


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 16, 2008, 04:24:48 PM
Haider,


Re-read (carefully) my original post which Debussey quoted...

If you read up on successful natural trainees you'll indeed find that they do indeed all follow the same principles:

-basic healthy wholefood diet, rich in protein with lots of water
-low volume or HIT training, three or so days a week

...granted, there are lots of naturals following all sorts of different routines and diets. But none of them are making any real progress.

It's not really fair to class these other "hobbyists" as being natural bodybuilders, they might lift weights but they don't manage to build any real muscle.


The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 16, 2008, 06:17:57 PM

Good gawd, Are you a retard?   You and debuusey need comprehension skills.

Translation: "All things being equal....nutrition & shit...your results may differ as far as genetics go" 

Thats what theyre trying to say...not minimizing one or all....
Hi warhorse!  ;)

Haider,


Re-read (carefully) my original post which Debussey quoted...

If you read up on successful natural trainees you'll indeed find that they do indeed all follow the same principles:

-basic healthy wholefood diet, rich in protein with lots of water
-low volume or HIT training, three or so days a week
Addressing the part in bold, not true at all as far as I know... I actually know of ZERO 'successful' natural trainers who train HIT...I have suspicions that markus dudes natural status.

As far as optimal training goes, it appears that periodised training is the way to go. I haven't come across any serious scientific backing for HIT training.

But that's not what this argument was about, just pointing out that it's merely your opinion that HIT training is the most optimal method of training.

Quote
...granted, there are lots of naturals following all sorts of different routines and diets. But none of them are making any real progress.

It's not really fair to class these other "hobbyists" as being natural bodybuilders, they might lift weights but they don't manage to build any real muscle.


The Luke
There you go, if you had cleared that first then there wouldn't have been an argument.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: War-Horse on March 16, 2008, 06:37:59 PM
Ughhhhh   Hello,    ???


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 16, 2008, 07:10:49 PM
I think its better we give Haider the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he's trying to start trouble... I don't think english is his first language.


The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 16, 2008, 08:58:41 PM
Yup...genetics are definitely not important. ::)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 16, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
I think its better we give Haider the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he's trying to start trouble... I don't think english is his first language.


The Luke
They shoved your fucking language down my throat since the day I was born and this is  the fucking thanks I get?

FUCK you all  >:(


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: haider on March 16, 2008, 09:27:26 PM
Yup...genetics are definitely not important. ::)
Is there something, deicide?

Let's take it down to the Y, bitch.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2008, 05:55:04 AM
Is there something, deicide?

Let's take it down to the Y, bitch.

This thread is dead.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 17, 2008, 07:30:57 AM
This thread is shifted from the topic. Lets get it back on track. Here is a pic of The Texas Shredder Dave Goodin. He has been around for many years and is a great natural bodybuilder.

(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/500/fav_mm.jpg)


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: jude2 on March 17, 2008, 07:31:01 PM
Dave is the man. I hope I still hit that type of conditioning at that age.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 17, 2008, 08:16:40 PM
At 49 he is still awesome. He guest posed at one of the very first shows I did back in the day. That was like 1995. His physique has been carved over time like a sculpture. The true meaning of muscle maturity.
Dave is the man. I hope I still hit that type of conditioning at that age.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: jaejonna on March 18, 2008, 01:44:57 PM
im all natural


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: musclehedz on March 19, 2008, 02:17:47 AM
im all natural

Would be pretty sad if that wasn't the case  ;D


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: War-Horse on March 19, 2008, 09:25:09 AM
Not bad JJ.  Thats how you should have done getbig...wouldve been better off.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Colossus_500 on March 19, 2008, 11:38:31 AM
This thread is shifted from the topic. Lets get it back on track. Here is a pic of The Texas Shredder Dave Goodin. He has been around for many years and is a great natural bodybuilder.

(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/500/fav_mm.jpg)
Dag, BH!  You beat me to it.  I used to train at the same gym in Austin where Dave was back in the mid-late 90's.  He encouraged me to stay natural and is a great inspiration.  Do you know how he faired in MuscleMania last fall?


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 19, 2008, 01:31:41 PM
Croatch,

You and I need to have a competition...

"Strongest Natural on GetBig"

...whaddya think? I'd say you have me on upper body (bench, curls etc), reckon I could take you in the lower body (squats, deadlifts). Though I reckon we're both on a par with Reeves at least strength wise.

I'll see if I can compress avi files on my computer to post some lifts.

The Luke
if there was ever a competition like this i would gladly join...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 19, 2008, 02:23:15 PM
I've been wondering about this for quite a while...

A strength contest would be pretty fun, several of the natural guys on this board are immensely strong in the 6-10 rep range... more so than many of the powerlifters on the strength boards.


Over the next month I'll be putting up a vid of my attempt at 405 for 15 reps in the deadlift (I've managed 12 and reckon I might manage a thirteenth with some specialist training).

If that kicks off such a competition then that will help with the boards popularity.



The Luke
PS-jaejonna, if you need a diet for the Mr GetBig 3 then pm me; I'll help you out.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Baby_Hercules on March 19, 2008, 06:57:21 PM
Dag, BH!  You beat me to it.  I used to train at the same gym in Austin where Dave was back in the mid-late 90's.  He encouraged me to stay natural and is a great inspiration.  Do you know how he faired in MuscleMania last fall?

Not sure how he did at the musclemania, but we competed together at the Team Universe last year. He took second to Chris Faildo in the welterweights. That was a stacked line up.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: slaveboy1980 on March 19, 2008, 08:07:52 PM
Haider,


Re-read (carefully) my original post which Debussey quoted...

If you read up on successful natural trainees you'll indeed find that they do indeed all follow the same principles:

-basic healthy wholefood diet, rich in protein with lots of water
-low volume or HIT training, three or so days a week

...granted, there are lots of naturals following all sorts of different routines and diets. But none of them are making any real progress.

It's not really fair to class these other "hobbyists" as being natural bodybuilders, they might lift weights but they don't manage to build any real muscle.


The Luke

havent read the whole thread, so i dont really know what your discussing. but your incorrect regarding all successful natural trainees using HIT/low volume. and besides, you havent seen every "successful natural trainee" workout, so you cant make blanket statements like that.

and how do you define successful natural trainee.



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on March 26, 2008, 08:48:25 PM



Over the next month I'll be putting up a vid of my attempt at 405 for 15 reps in the deadlift

That's a great lift Luke (not flaming BTW).  You weigh under 200 right?  If so, then a double BW DL for that many reps is very impressive.  I don't think I could DL 560 for 15 :P


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The Luke on March 27, 2008, 05:04:26 AM
That's a great lift Luke (not flaming BTW).  You weigh under 200 right?  If so, then a double BW DL for that many reps is very impressive.  I don't think I could DL 560 for 15 :P

...don't be too impressed just yet, my best so far is only 12 reps.

I'm gonna need some help with the technicals as well... might meet up with some of GetBig's Irish contingent and have someone else video the lift for proprieties sake.

The Luke


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: mrhighintensity on May 12, 2008, 09:03:39 PM
I thought I might add some of my own pics here - I be posting more closer to my next contest!

Pic no1 is at 198 shredded pounds winning my class in Musclemania

Pic no2 is me at around 212 checking myself out in the mirror 2 weeks before another contest

I will be looking even better this year as I am planning to come in even more ripped for my next contest - SuperBody June 20th in Miami!

HIT HARD!
MR
www.markusreinhardt.com
Now FREE Weekly HIT chats in Member section!


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: uberman09 on October 26, 2009, 06:25:16 PM
im all natural

and you re all creatine.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: clued-up on October 27, 2009, 07:03:40 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60780.0;attach=251443;image)

natural??

not to troll.. but I looked at the first.. and last page of this thread. I see nothing but juiced bodybuilders.. if you say otherwise you're a lying piece of shit. this place is a joke.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: garebear on October 27, 2009, 08:35:55 PM
...


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Stefano on December 15, 2009, 12:16:29 PM
...

what the deuce?  ???
 :D



Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 16, 2009, 08:43:18 AM
I thought I might add some of my own pics here - I be posting more closer to my next contest!

Pic no1 is at 198 shredded pounds winning my class in Musclemania

Pic no2 is me at around 212 checking myself out in the mirror 2 weeks before another contest

I will be looking even better this year as I am planning to come in even more ripped for my next contest - SuperBody June 20th in Miami!

HIT HARD!
MR
www.markusreinhardt.com
Now FREE Weekly HIT chats in Member section!

get the fuck out of here. your not natural lol you fucking drugged up liar. secondy hit training stop with this HIT bullshit..its not the best way to train for strength or muscle mass. specially not the extreme low variations.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: The BEAST on December 16, 2009, 03:16:55 PM
He looks natural to me, if he is on he is screwed...for a natural he looks great though


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: slaveboy1980 on December 16, 2009, 08:11:27 PM
He looks natural to me, if he is on he is screwed...for a natural he looks great though

he doesnt look natural and he isnt natural.


Title: Re: MOST IMPRESSIVE NATURALS PICS!!!
Post by: Rougestan on August 03, 2010, 01:14:05 AM
If you would consider a couple of d-bols and test natural LOL!!