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« Reply #250 on: March 15, 2008, 10:35:26 PM »

Repeating them is, insisting over and over their improtance over hard work...i'd call that whining  Tongue

my genetics are fine, i guess my height sucks for bodybuilding and my chest is asymmetric (like i tore my right pec or something). I have good width, good quads (from a LOT of squatting), my traps grow from jsut deadlifting, but my calves suck (genetic Grin).

I agree. Shrugs are unecessary in my opinion for traps, deadlifts and shoulder exercises take care of them.
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« Reply #251 on: March 16, 2008, 12:16:49 PM »

Haider,

Stop argument mongering.

Deicide has a good point that genetics can be a major deciding factor in bodybuilding success... natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way... among successful natural trainees you have already filtered out those who don't train hard; don't eat right; don't rest properly... with all those variables being standardized, yes, genetics are the deciding factor.

If you don't agree with the blanket statement "all down to genetics", then please ask for clarification before resorting to personal attacks.



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That = a load of horsecrap. Most natural trainers don't even have their long term calorie deficit/surplus in order while dieting. Success as a natural when it comes to BF and gaining solid mass over the long term is mostly dependant on having a solid long term system that is followed every day over many months. Most naturals don't have it. Presuming a "standardized" eating plan for naturals = as delusional as they come.

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« Reply #252 on: March 16, 2008, 12:20:17 PM »

That = a load of horsecrap. Most natural trainers don't even have their long term calorie deficit in order while dieting. Success as a natural when it comes to BF and gaining solid mass over the long term is mostly dependant on having a solid long term system that is followed every day over many months. Most naturals don't have it. Presuming a "standardized" eating plan for naturals = as delusional as they come.


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« Reply #253 on: March 16, 2008, 12:27:48 PM »

I read an interview of with him in MuscleMag and he denies ever even touching a drug in his life.

I think that I read from muscle mag that Ronnie Coleman is all natural being police officer and all...
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« Reply #254 on: March 16, 2008, 12:52:24 PM »

So when you say all men are not equal are you saying that some are more important then others...and if that is true then who is the judge of who is more important and who is less.  With this statement you seem to be taking away the value of every person.  Just because I may not be as intelligent as Stephen Hawking, can't write as well as Ayn Rand, and am not as beautiful as Angelina Jolie-I am not equal to these people as a human being, their life is more important than mine?

Please tell me how important I am and how important you are-you seem to have all the answers.  Every single person is UNIQUE... I believe that people are equal-we all have different talents and personalities that no one else has.  In you little example it seems that if your mother died it wouldn't matter as much because she is not "equal" in intelligence or strength or popularity then someone else.  This just isn't true in real life because if your mother died it would affect You more deeply then if Jay Cutler or Stephen Hawking died.  One person is not more important then another, they just bring different things into our World-you can't judge everyone on the same scale.   



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« Reply #255 on: March 16, 2008, 02:37:13 PM »

That = a load of horsecrap. Most natural trainers don't even have their long term calorie deficit/surplus in order while dieting. Success as a natural when it comes to BF and gaining solid mass over the long term is mostly dependant on having a solid long term system that is followed every day over many months. Most naturals don't have it. Presuming a "standardized" eating plan for naturals = as delusional as they come.

Debussey,

I made the point that among SUCCESSFUL naturals training and diet are all standardised with genetics making the final differences, because you simply can't be successful as a natural if you do things incorrectly.

You say that isn't true because many naturals don't diet properly or successfully?


I think maybe you misread my post.... because your aggressive retort boils down to me claiming that all successful naturals diet properly (they can't be "all drugs" after all), and you interject that the non-successful ones don't diet properly.


This is what I'm talking about with regards to the argument mongering.
   You start a post by quoting my point then commenting: "That = a load of horsecrap".... then you go on to show that you don't disagree with me, you simply think you do because you've either only scanned my post and mischaracterized my contention, or lack basic reading comprehension.

Please re-read my original post. I'll await your apology.



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« Reply #256 on: March 16, 2008, 02:54:17 PM »

Luke you did say, and I quote "natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way".

So really what were u trying to say? It seems you made two contradictory statements before even completing your sentence, and you're blaming us for hte confusion?

If you say so  Wink
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« Reply #257 on: March 16, 2008, 04:20:02 PM »

Luke you did say, and I quote "natural trainers ALL train, eat and rest the same way".

So really what were u trying to say? It seems you made two contradictory statements before even completing your sentence, and you're blaming us for hte confusion?

If you say so  Wink


Good gawd, Are you a retard?   You and debuusey need comprehension skills.

Translation: "All things being equal....nutrition & shit...your results may differ as far as genetics go" 

Thats what theyre trying to say...not minimizing one or all....
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« Reply #258 on: March 16, 2008, 04:24:48 PM »

Haider,


Re-read (carefully) my original post which Debussey quoted...

If you read up on successful natural trainees you'll indeed find that they do indeed all follow the same principles:

-basic healthy wholefood diet, rich in protein with lots of water
-low volume or HIT training, three or so days a week

...granted, there are lots of naturals following all sorts of different routines and diets. But none of them are making any real progress.

It's not really fair to class these other "hobbyists" as being natural bodybuilders, they might lift weights but they don't manage to build any real muscle.


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« Reply #259 on: March 16, 2008, 06:17:57 PM »


Good gawd, Are you a retard?   You and debuusey need comprehension skills.

Translation: "All things being equal....nutrition & shit...your results may differ as far as genetics go" 

Thats what theyre trying to say...not minimizing one or all....
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Haider,


Re-read (carefully) my original post which Debussey quoted...

If you read up on successful natural trainees you'll indeed find that they do indeed all follow the same principles:

-basic healthy wholefood diet, rich in protein with lots of water
-low volume or HIT training, three or so days a week
Addressing the part in bold, not true at all as far as I know... I actually know of ZERO 'successful' natural trainers who train HIT...I have suspicions that markus dudes natural status.

As far as optimal training goes, it appears that periodised training is the way to go. I haven't come across any serious scientific backing for HIT training.

But that's not what this argument was about, just pointing out that it's merely your opinion that HIT training is the most optimal method of training.

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...granted, there are lots of naturals following all sorts of different routines and diets. But none of them are making any real progress.

It's not really fair to class these other "hobbyists" as being natural bodybuilders, they might lift weights but they don't manage to build any real muscle.


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There you go, if you had cleared that first then there wouldn't have been an argument.
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« Reply #260 on: March 16, 2008, 06:37:59 PM »

Ughhhhh   Hello,    Huh
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« Reply #261 on: March 16, 2008, 07:10:49 PM »

I think its better we give Haider the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he's trying to start trouble... I don't think english is his first language.


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« Reply #262 on: March 16, 2008, 08:58:41 PM »

Yup...genetics are definitely not important. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #263 on: March 16, 2008, 09:17:25 PM »

I think its better we give Haider the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he's trying to start trouble... I don't think english is his first language.


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« Reply #264 on: March 16, 2008, 09:27:26 PM »

Yup...genetics are definitely not important. Roll Eyes
Is there something, deicide?

Let's take it down to the Y, bitch.
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« Reply #265 on: March 17, 2008, 05:55:04 AM »

Is there something, deicide?

Let's take it down to the Y, bitch.

This thread is dead.
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« Reply #266 on: March 17, 2008, 07:30:57 AM »

This thread is shifted from the topic. Lets get it back on track. Here is a pic of The Texas Shredder Dave Goodin. He has been around for many years and is a great natural bodybuilder.

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« Reply #267 on: March 17, 2008, 07:31:01 PM »

Dave is the man. I hope I still hit that type of conditioning at that age.
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« Reply #268 on: March 17, 2008, 08:16:40 PM »

At 49 he is still awesome. He guest posed at one of the very first shows I did back in the day. That was like 1995. His physique has been carved over time like a sculpture. The true meaning of muscle maturity.
Dave is the man. I hope I still hit that type of conditioning at that age.
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« Reply #269 on: March 18, 2008, 01:44:57 PM »

im all natural


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« Reply #270 on: March 19, 2008, 02:17:47 AM »

im all natural

Would be pretty sad if that wasn't the case  Grin
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« Reply #271 on: March 19, 2008, 09:25:09 AM »

Not bad JJ.  Thats how you should have done getbig...wouldve been better off.
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« Reply #272 on: March 19, 2008, 11:38:31 AM »

This thread is shifted from the topic. Lets get it back on track. Here is a pic of The Texas Shredder Dave Goodin. He has been around for many years and is a great natural bodybuilder.


Dag, BH!  You beat me to it.  I used to train at the same gym in Austin where Dave was back in the mid-late 90's.  He encouraged me to stay natural and is a great inspiration.  Do you know how he faired in MuscleMania last fall?


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« Reply #273 on: March 19, 2008, 01:31:41 PM »

Croatch,

You and I need to have a competition...

"Strongest Natural on GetBig"

...whaddya think? I'd say you have me on upper body (bench, curls etc), reckon I could take you in the lower body (squats, deadlifts). Though I reckon we're both on a par with Reeves at least strength wise.

I'll see if I can compress avi files on my computer to post some lifts.

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« Reply #274 on: March 19, 2008, 02:23:15 PM »

I've been wondering about this for quite a while...

A strength contest would be pretty fun, several of the natural guys on this board are immensely strong in the 6-10 rep range... more so than many of the powerlifters on the strength boards.


Over the next month I'll be putting up a vid of my attempt at 405 for 15 reps in the deadlift (I've managed 12 and reckon I might manage a thirteenth with some specialist training).

If that kicks off such a competition then that will help with the boards popularity.



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