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« Reply #100 on: March 22, 2006, 08:38:06 PM »

Arnold's Encyclopedia is a terrible book.

Its the best bodybuilding book ever! If you say otherwise just means you don't know bodybuilding!
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« Reply #101 on: March 23, 2006, 05:53:06 AM »

  Flex Wheeler wrote not to long ago that he has to use test therapy now for the rest of his life due to the amounts that he was taking when he was competing...his own system never kicked back in...I'm sure there are a lot more guys out there in the same boat.

Most likely he just made the choice to go on HRT and not the doctors. Likely he can still produce his own test(I've never seen a case of steroids stopping someone from producing forever).
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« Reply #102 on: March 23, 2006, 05:55:39 AM »

Tom Prince was 230 pounds at 5-7 before taking an ounce of gear. Just because your genetics limit you to 220 pounds, doesn't mean the same for everyone else. Read Arnold's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, steroids are a finishing touch, they do not make a physique.


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1.Tom Prince is a fucking liar!

2.Steroids aren't a "Finishing touch". Most Pro's since the 70's have used since their early 20's or even late teens. Arnold actually started around 18 or 19. Most likely Tom Prince started at around 17 or 18 also and used EXTREME amounts of the drugs very ignorantly.
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« Reply #103 on: March 23, 2006, 08:19:10 AM »

 He was not in contest shape at 230, but he was in pretty decent shape Roll Eyes
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« Reply #104 on: March 23, 2006, 08:21:06 AM »


Let's see...

1.Tom Prince is a fucking liar!

2.Steroids aren't a "Finishing touch". Most Pro's since the 70's have used since their early 20's or even late teens. Arnold actually started around 18 or 19. Most likely Tom Prince started at around 17 or 18 also and used EXTREME amounts of the drugs very ignorantly.

 Steroids don't make the physique. You are correct, someone can use steroids earlier, but they are not going to look any better than if they had been patient and used them as a finishing touch. They only add 5-10%.
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« Reply #105 on: March 23, 2006, 08:24:27 AM »

Arnold's Encyclopedia is a terrible book.

 It's the most important book in the history of bodybuilding. Where else would you learn about moon boots and donkey calf raises Angry
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« Reply #106 on: March 23, 2006, 08:48:57 AM »

Most likely he just made the choice to go on HRT and not the doctors. Likely he can still produce his own test(I've never seen a case of steroids stopping someone from producing forever).

How many cases have you seen Apollo?


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1.Tom Prince is a fucking liar!

2.Steroids aren't a "Finishing touch". Most Pro's since the 70's have used since their early 20's or even late teens. Arnold actually started around 18 or 19. Most likely Tom Prince started at around 17 or 18 also and used EXTREME amounts of the drugs very ignorantly.

Arnold started at 13 as stated in his unauthorised bibliography! Do some research before you open your mouth!
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« Reply #107 on: March 23, 2006, 09:16:21 AM »

How many cases have you seen Apollo?

Arnold started at 13 as stated in his unauthorised bibliography! Do some research before you open your mouth!


1.Alot.

2.13? Bullshit! "Unauthorised bibilography"?? WTF is that? Post a reliable source.
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« Reply #108 on: March 23, 2006, 04:23:34 PM »

I guess that explains why the greatest bodybuilder in history (Arnold) is white, why one of the most dominant bodybuilders in the modern era (Yates) is white, why the runner up at the last several Olympias (Cutler) is white, why two of the biggest competitive bodybuilders in the world (Gunter and Ruhl) are white. 
Not to make this a black /white issue, but before you go saying that the most dominant bodybuilders in history were white don't forget that Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman, and Lenda Murray have all broken Arnold's Olympia record. Vince Taylor and Kevin Levrone both have won more pro competitions than anyone in history. Do some research before making unsubstantiated comments like this. Kiss
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« Reply #109 on: March 23, 2006, 04:39:59 PM »

Linda doesn't count as a man and Levrone is half white!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #110 on: March 23, 2006, 04:48:34 PM »

Linda doesn't count as a man and Levrone is half white!!!!!!!!
We are talking genetics not gender and Levrone is black. If a person has one drop of black blood flowing through their veins white people will not claim them as white so don't even go there. Even if we exclude Levrone, Vince Taylor still kicks everybody's ass in the pro wins department.
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« Reply #111 on: March 23, 2006, 04:50:44 PM »

Personaly I don't think black people have better genetics. They are just more active.. me on the other hand got better genetics and work ethic than anyone!
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« Reply #112 on: March 23, 2006, 05:13:38 PM »

Ok Alex all of those guys juice and Tom Prince is like 170lbs right now so you may want to think about that one

As far as best ever natural no contest


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« Reply #113 on: March 23, 2006, 05:17:26 PM »

Since your so educated on the subject of Bodybuilding I assume the man needs no introduction

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« Reply #114 on: March 23, 2006, 05:18:19 PM »

when people say pros shrink like crazy when they retire cause they're off the juice they are only half right. when you retire you may get off the juice but the reason they shrink so much is because they RETIRE.
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« Reply #115 on: March 23, 2006, 05:20:01 PM »

Since your so educated on the subject of Bodybuilding I assume the man needs no introduction



Picture of your father or your gay lover or both?!
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« Reply #116 on: March 23, 2006, 05:26:35 PM »

when people say pros shrink like crazy when they retire cause they're off the juice they are only half right. when you retire you may get off the juice but the reason they shrink so much is because they RETIRE.

HAHA o man I resisted to the comment about Arnolds book being shitty..... But then this one i just couldent

Are you slow?
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« Reply #117 on: March 23, 2006, 06:14:04 PM »

Getting off the sauce makes them lose a lot of course but  people must also remember that they're not training for shows any more and sometimes not training at all for long periods of time. Flex supposedly did his last Olympia natural and he was still very big. Why would a pro retire and get off the sauce but continue to train like before? it makes no sense and that's what makes them retired. they don't train like that no more.
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« Reply #118 on: March 23, 2006, 06:31:56 PM »

Fans of bodybuilding can be strange; after a bodybuilder retires he/she is going to lose muscle mass and probably gain some fat. Why would they try to retain it all what would be the use, to walk on the beach as the biggest guy?

If the average pro has been training for 15-20 years at retirement (8-10 years to become pro and another 5-10 years of competing at the pro level) then he will probably want to take a break from the extremely restrictive eating schedule, the intense weight training (many actually don't seem to train any harder than the average gym rat), the extensive drug protocol, the constant cardio, and the politics and BS of the industry.

In basketball, football, tennis, soccer, rugby, baseball, sprinting, what ever the sport an athlete will not retain his/her ability or contest level when they retire. Heck most athletes start decline well before they retire.



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« Reply #119 on: March 23, 2006, 10:06:22 PM »

Personaly I don't think black people have better genetics. They are just more active.. me on the other hand got better genetics and work ethic than anyone!

I almost agree with his whole statement here.   But the truth is Look at how many white guys died in WWI and WWII.
No BS that is alot of warrior and strong men that got taken out of the gene pool.  It takes a couple of generations to start producing good genes again after a large kill off. 
This is why there are more blacks in competitive sports , not because of better genetics.
It is the "white man's" fault that blacks now dominate sports because they did not want to fight along side with them.

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« Reply #120 on: March 23, 2006, 10:14:13 PM »

Ben Tennesen - Best Natural right now.  Look him up.

Happens to be a friend of mine.

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« Reply #121 on: March 24, 2006, 02:58:48 AM »

I almost agree with his whole statement here.   But the truth is Look at how many white guys died in WWI and WWII.
No BS that is alot of warrior and strong men that got taken out of the gene pool.  It takes a couple of generations to start producing good genes again after a large kill off. 
This is why there are more blacks in competitive sports , not because of better genetics.
It is the "white man's" fault that blacks now dominate sports because they did not want to fight along side with them.

The Truth


Not really...Africans are naturally larger and more muscular. During the slave days slave owners would selectivly breed their slaves so as they were larger and stronger to be able to do more work. They would breed the largest black men with the largest black women..This is why we see so many blacks above 6'5"...Oh yes..It's definitily genetics. 300 years of selective breeding!
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« Reply #122 on: March 24, 2006, 06:07:41 AM »


Not really...Africans are naturally larger and more muscular. During the slave days slave owners would selectivly breed their slaves so as they were larger and stronger to be able to do more work. They would breed the largest black men with the largest black women..This is why we see so many blacks above 6'5"...Oh yes..It's definitily genetics. 300 years of selective breeding!
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« Reply #123 on: March 24, 2006, 09:28:38 AM »

I almost agree with his whole statement here.   But the truth is Look at how many white guys died in WWI and WWII.
No BS that is alot of warrior and strong men that got taken out of the gene pool.  It takes a couple of generations to start producing good genes again after a large kill off. 
This is why there are more blacks in competitive sports , not because of better genetics.
It is the "white man's" fault that blacks now dominate sports because they did not want to fight along side with them.

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You can't be serious. What are you smoking because that is some good $hit. More blacks died in the voyage over here from Africa than whites in WWI and WWII. Our race had to be strong to survive that $hit. And what do you mean blacks didn't want to fight? They weren't allowed to fight for the most part. The ones that were allowed in the military were given bull$hit jobs like cooks. There were black regiments that fought some of the fiercest battles in those wars. Your argument is total bull$hit. "Warrior and strong men,"  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #124 on: March 24, 2006, 10:06:31 AM »

You can't be serious. What are you smoking because that is some good $hit. More blacks died in the voyage over here from Africa than whites in WWI and WWII. Our race had to be strong to survive that $hit. And what do you mean blacks didn't want to fight? They weren't allowed to fight for the most part. The ones that were allowed in the military were given bull$hit jobs like cooks. There were black regiments that fought some of the fiercest battles in those wars. Your argument is total bull$hit. "Warrior and strong men,"  Roll Eyes


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