Anyone remember what was gh15's guideline for max natty bw?

[Van_Bilderass]

I think you missed the sarcasm in Chick's posts.

Hmm... I guess I did. This was sarcasm? Was Chick heavier before he started the anabolics?

Couldn't be more spot on....I achieved 195 lbs. contest shape clean/ drug free....at 6'0. Best I believe I could have done was perhaps 200 with more years of training, and I believe I had some of the better genetics to start with based on my teen bodybuilding accomplishments...

Not sure why anyone doubts what you say...

[Moosejay]

that's Sandow right? well, it's pretty certain he was natural as roids weren't yet developed at that time. so, how tall was he and what did he weight in that photo, do you have any idea?

5'7" 180

[Figo]

that's Sandow right? well, it's pretty certain he was natural as roids weren't yet developed at that time. so, how tall was he and what did he weight in that photo, do you have any idea?

I heard he did a lot of orals and 1g test a week.

Used to buy from China mainly, and his bf Martinus Sieveking used to also get from Sandow's native homeland, Russia(eastern european stuff is best)....

[dj181]

I heard he did a lot of orals and 1g test a week.

Used to buy from China mainly, and his bf Martinus Sieveking used to also get from Sandow's native homeland, Russia(eastern european stuff is best)....

really? so was his "prime time" so to speak was in the 1930's or after? i thought anabolics weren't created til the 1930's? forgive my ignorance

[Van_Bilderass]

Sandow ate a lot of Orchic Bull Testicle Extract. Natural testosterone baby!

[Figo]

really? so was his "prime time" so to speak was in the 1930's or after? i thought anabolics weren't created til the 1930's? forgive my ignorance

Around 1901, he started dabbling in hgh, and in the 1910's, slin. The guy was a real pioneer, he used it all many decades before most thought it was even invented....

[candidizzle]

sandow looved his cytomel and his igflr3... big proponent if pcgl for getting rid of gyno from his 5 gram of weekly sustanon....   didnt have gyno sugery back then fellas, had to rely on ip if they wanted to get rid of the bitch tits

[gh15]

gh15 .. please.. when you and i are debating maintain the same level of respect ..that i have showed you i said you re talking garbage however i did not attack your person..
do you know how disrespectful it is to accuse someone of takin drugs or whatever....
...
if i was on drugs or anything i would have no problem sayin so..... also bodybuilding is not a big part of my life i lift weights thats all... 4 days a week thats it ..and eat normal food in normal quantities... ha ha u said something about a pro card see this is where u show your ignorance ..not because i post on a bbing board means i would ever want to be a bber or a pro one u couldnt give me one of those free...
you wouldnt catch me oiled up in skimpy underwear oiled up posing never never never... i respect bbers...  well some but i would never do that its not my thing... so please think before you ASSume and put your fingers on the keyboard...
please.... 
 
I find it laughable that you are gonna tell me about jamaicans... when i am from jamaica... and lived there for most of my life
anyway
i can see your game basically you cant lose the debate..because here i am exctly 204lb now between5 - 7% bf living proof that disproves your theory... and because all you did is turn around and accuse me of taking drugs.. so if a guy doesnt fit into... your formula... then he's on drugs...
 
ok ima leave you to think what you want to think..
have a good sunday sir
mes
 

i do respect you,,i also think you got one of the best physiqes that i have seen on this place from the amatuers if nto the best since you are natural from the pictures and video i looked of you,,
the fact im tellin you you could be a professional doesnt mean you need to become one,,it just means the way i see it which is 2-3 year hormone use and winning most competiution in england or where ever you are from,,the point being is that you have the potential to be somewhere in between melvin and vic richards which means lots of money and easy career but i never said you shoudl chose it just said the way i see it
now ,,4 times a week in gym is serious bodybuilder,,dex doesnt go any more and mr labradas didnt either infact he used to get in and finish his thing in 40 min believe it or not

now when you say you are 204lb you also shoudl notice that your bodyfat now is 7% most likley 8% but even if 7%..this is not 6 or 5% ...when you get down those 1-2% you will be right back in the 195lb if youre truly 204lb ,,,so you will end up on stage 192-193lb at 5% which is not bad ,,many win nationals with those status since when they card up they are 197-200lb and win the light heavy or in many times win the heavy as light heavy,,

in any case professional is not your thing as you say ,,so work for fun and strength and girls soem gusy pay lots of money to have yoru build after using hormones! so atleast enjoy it

[Disgusted]

Why not ?

Well, mainly cause most people will always say that they can still grow even though they stopped years ago. It's hard to convince anyone that they are done growing. There is also a limt to drug growth but I don't think that we have seen it yet. Most guys will add a drug, find new ones or up the dose. Of course that doesn't mean that one should quit lifting. I know guys who never lift unless they are "on". I love to lift no matter what so I never quit. I do take short breaks though.

[jr]

sandow looved his cytomel and his igflr3... big proponent if pcgl for getting rid of gyno from his 5 gram of weekly sustanon....   didnt have gyno sugery back then fellas, had to rely on ip if they wanted to get rid of the bitch tits

He also drank pregnant womens urine to get some HCG into his system during his massive cycles to prevent ball atrophy.

[Figo]

He also drank pregnant womens urine to get some HCG into his system during his massive cycles to prevent ball atrophy.

Very innovative.

[mesmorph78]

i do respect you,,i also think you got one of the best physiqes that i have seen on this place from the amatuers if nto the best since you are natural from the pictures and video i looked of you,,
the fact im tellin you you could be a professional doesnt mean you need to become one,,it just means the way i see it which is 2-3 year hormone use and winning most competiution in england or where ever you are from,,the point being is that you have the potential to be somewhere in between melvin and vic richards which means lots of money and easy career but i never said you shoudl chose it just said the way i see it
now ,,4 times a week in gym is serious bodybuilder,,dex doesnt go any more and mr labradas didnt either infact he used to get in and finish his thing in 40 min believe it or not

now when you say you are 204lb you also shoudl notice that your bodyfat now is 7% most likley 8% but even if 7%..this is not 6 or 5% ...when you get down those 1-2% you will be right back in the 195lb if youre truly 204lb ,,,so you will end up on stage 192-193lb at 5% which is not bad ,,many win nationals with those status since when they card up they are 197-200lb and win the light heavy or in many times win the heavy as light heavy,,

in any case professional is not your thing as you say ,,so work for fun and strength and girls soem gusy pay lots of money to have yoru build after using hormones! so atleast enjoy it

....
thx for the compliments..
but i keep tellin you... i swear on my mothers life.. i have never taken...anythin...I dont even know what hormones are... man...i just train thats it.. whether u choose to belive from here on out thats up to you..but i have no reason to lie