Why GH15 is full of it / is he Disgusted?

[Master Blaster]

Guess what part 2: If you ran exactly 1 mile every day for a year your V02 max would improve.

Whats so hard about this to understand?

[Howard]

Guess what part 2: If you ran exactly 1 mile every day for a year your V02 max would improve.

Whats so hard about this to understand?

This is the basic pt of my side of the argument. Your post is a great, basic example.

Now, in fairness to pellius, GH 15, etc to be a top level bodybuilder you have to use drugs. The freakish size and cuts required to be a top IFBB pro require enhancement and great genetics. We could argue just how important drugs are all day. BUT, without drug testing it is a moot pt and basic reality in hardcore ,elite level BB.

The reality is that most guys who lift are never going to come close to an IFBB pro card.
The vast majority of guys who lift simply want a "6 pack", a  bigger bench or bigger guns, etc.
ANY guiy who trains hard and east a decent diet can make gains WITHOUT a bunch of drugs.

[Howard]

What constitutes an impressive physique varies widely. The standards here on GetBig does not reflect the public at large. What gh15 is saying is that you cannot build a competitive bodybuilding physique without drugs. And at the top level it requires a lot of them. He does not like the lies being spewed to the young and naive that if you take supplements they endorse and follow their training protocol (which I doubt is accurately featured in the magazine articles) you can close to looking like Victor Martinez

I think gh15 once described a truly natural physique, not just clean, that can be attained with proper and consistent training and nutrition is one that looks "fit."

Recall how the general public thought how great Brad Pitt looked in Fight Club and I remember as a boy thinking Bruce Lee was a muscular marvel. Both would be laughed off this board.

I remember as a kid when I first saw this short 35 second clip in the movie house I thought to myself, "Bruce Lee looks just like those guys in the magazine." And when Bruce hit a lat spread the audible gasps of awe was clearly heard by all. LOL!

Great post and makes the pt for both sides of this debate. Most guys that lift could care less about being an IFBB pro. Most woman sure as hell don't want to look like a pro BB shebeast. In fact seeing some male freak with 10 coats of pro tan isn't the female idea of male sex appeal. BB is what it is and top level BB is quite unique.
 

[flexingtonsteele]

I made a reference to a previous post I made but just found out it never posted. This board is so fucking slow that I often reply to one comment in one window and make another comment in another GetBig window.

This board is great. Board performance is just unbelievably bad.

Here's the post I tried to make:

Not really. Everyone pretty much reaches a point where they max out of size and consequently also max out of strength. Or vice versa.

It varies here and there but a guy like Cutler is pretty much maxed out on size and strength.

Now you can make the opposite argument that you can get stronger but not bigger. Say in power lifting/Olympic lifting. But that is not because you are getting stronger in the sense of increase muscular contractile force but more likely from neurological efficiency and technique. Your body just gets better and more efficient in that particular movement (say, a bench press). 

not what i said at all.

what im saying is, simply this. u dont have to keep lifting heavier weights to get bigger.

now of course there is a time where u wont get any bigger or stronger, we see this all the time with pro bodybuilders and athletes in other sports.

[Howard]

not what i said at all.

what im saying is, simply this. u dont have to keep lifting heavier weights to get bigger.

now of course there is a time where u wont get any bigger or stronger, we see this all the time with pro bodybuilders and athletes in other sports.

I think every pro has had to: hoist some heavy iron at some pt and also would admit they can't always lift heavy and need some pumping.
If lifting the biggest wt was the real , end all key to BB success, the best bodybuilders would be the best powerlifters.

[~UN_$ung~]

ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.

Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.

this is why your a sickening old man............who who should be barred from speaking.  you are almost so dumb, its embarrasing.   and you dont do it anonymously either, EVERYONE knows who your creepy old ass is.


why would jim (disgusted) be GH15...............it makes ZERO sense to ANYONE with a fucking brain.


when you get past, gh15s 3rd person speech pattern, fucked up diction and nuanced way of speaking..............At the end of the day, what he says as far as hormones and pro bodybuilding is pretty much identical to what Disgusted says


so why would he need to make a gimmick............to say what he is already saying...........its fucking redundant


if i was going to make a gimmick, i would be to fuck with someone, or to be provocative and outlandish.............. ..not to say what i , myself, am already saying



and thats why your a moron................i honestly dont even know how people like you exist from day to day.............you must have mental problems, creepy old fuck

[Howard]

this is why your a sickening old man............who who should be barred from speaking.  you are almost so dumb, its embarrasing.   and you dont do it anonymously either, EVERYONE knows who your creepy old ass is.


why would jim (disgusted) be GH15...............it makes ZERO sense to ANYONE with a fucking brain.


when you get past, gh15s 3rd person speech pattern, fucked up diction and nuanced way of speaking..............At the end of the day, what he says as far as hormones and pro bodybuilding is pretty much identical to what Disgusted says


so why would he need to make a gimmick............to say what he is already saying...........its fucking redundant


if i was going to make a gimmick, i would be to fuck with someone, or to be provocative and outlandish.............. ..not to say what i , myself, am already saying



and thats why your a moron................i honestly dont even know how people like you exist from day to day.............you must have mental problems, creepy old fuck

Hmmm, I guess the romance is over and the wedding postponed?

[DK II]

well ,,every 5-6 month or so ,,usually bi yearly,,mr howard like to come and challenge god of hormones,,now i could let my pack of hyenas tare him apart like they just did along the posting,,but i since he is an elder and love bodybuilding i will contribute to this thred with few facts for mr howard,,

1. the hormones are not a must inorder to be an ifbb pro ,,it is  amust to be able to compete in almost ANY COMPETITION unless you do a local classroom in middle texas competition but even part of those kids wil lbe on ,,so the drugs are there from the get go ,,

2. the more you take the bigger you will be,,it is a rule of thumb ,,yes there is diminishing returns but! the more legit test yuo are on the bigger you will be and 1 gram is not even close to diminishing anything

3. foundation is very impoerant and this is why i keep saying that phillip heath is a bad bodybuilder,,he just dont have it ,,same as tomas prince,,they blew up on drugs ,,so yes in this case i agree the foundation is a must inroder to develop an even better physiqe on hormones in relashion to fellas who just stuck needle in themselves


4. genetic repsonse is the key factor when it comes to pro level,,every one take drugs amatuer and professional but the professional responded better to it ,,their genetic RESPONSE was better thus were able to pull more for the same and also were able to sustain more drugs ,aka our body was able to use the drugs and sustain the abuse the best if you can call it the best,,


5. all the aspects you say about training and nutrition and th e such will be absolutely useless and worthless with out hormones and enough of those hormones for the lean muscle mass the bodybuilder is ,,it is not sustainable with out the constant use and abuse of those drugs,,

6. in relashion to who has best genetics ,,the ones with best genetics doesnt mean biggest size,,it means best muscle shape ,,those are usually fellas that sit at 160-170lb at 5'10 at 8% with well developed muscle bellies ,,thats what it is no more no less,,


7.in the amatuer level genetics means absolutely nothing,,it is the consistancy in drug taking and the ability to nail condition while maintainig enough size which wont be there unless the bodybuilder use hormones,,there was never a true  natural big fella that was able to get shredded down  to mid singles ,,never been such an animal as of yet,,in the PROS thats where genetics matter when you try to decide who win show at the top level thats when the little things come into considerations when everyone has similar development and you need to establish a winner ,,THATS WHEN GENETICS COMES INTO PLAY

8. ron colman was on hormones way way before he was even remotely a professional,,he was on all through amatuer levels

9. you can only GROW into a show by using HGH ,,no hgh meaning you can not grow into a show and can only DIET INTO ONE AKA LOSING WEIGHT INORDER TO GET ON STAGE,,

10. if the jew was fed what we take he may have not been a top pro or even top amatuer but he would be able to do national and place 15th like 1000s other bodybuilder around the world who do it on regular basis,,

11. diet ONLY matter when dieting for a show

12, jason cutler  and dorian are both fellas with average genetics as in NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT that responded to drugs PHENOMINALLY and the rest is history

13. the hormone smarket is absolutely HUGE ,,there is so much sells going in americana its starrts being equivelentto prostitution number,,that includes professional athletes liek the football players you were talkin about which are ALWAYS ON HORMONES,, not to forget gh has no way of being detcted,,anyone can claim being diabetic and in need of insulin ,,and no ester produducts being sold to pro athletes on regular basis via team docs,,via black market ,,and via gurus,, they all buy it in bulk from suppliers who sit both in europe and china

14. the black market got so big that any kid now days in americana buy poweders cook them and open some stupid ug lab that sell bunk balonie ,,they keep everything for thmselves and sell you kids bunk shit that make you think you have average response since you INJECT BUNK GEAR,,those are the real criminals ,,they abuse the begginers who have all intention to be serious in bodybuilding and  make a lot of money out of your dream

15. the bodybuilder who got anywhere always got there buy using HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,he always have good connection and always use good prducts ,,it is never hrt by the way and always black market but! it is legit products sold by legit suppliers,,

16. the fact mr howard didnt become a professional doesnt mean he should come here and ruin it to the beggining fellas which i consider my pupils,,the fact you coudnt do it doesnt mean they cant,,and trust me there are a number on this board that one day will be professionals and dont need your bad karma ,,the reason they will be professionals is not new technics or new food ,,it is because they knew to begin with what to do ! they had god of hormones to guide them when they were 18 and saved them years over years of the TEARS YOU SHED BECAUSE OF YOUR GYM RAT ATTITUDE BACK IN THE DAY,,

17. there sare many boards on the internet ,,gh15 has invitation to each and every one of them including BEGGINGS to just come and be member of honor just to the board get following,,gh15 refused to all,,gh15 chose the getbig board because it is a no bullshit place ,,majority of members here are the bodybuilders themselves who compete and also fans who know the real truth and have no agenda!,,all other boards have agendas with suppliers and corrupt people on them who live and make a living on your stupidity,,this is the only place that is not and thats why it became the DUNGEON OF BODYBUILDING,,this is the place to be ,,and this is not a place to spit bullcrap,,you as a past competetive bodybuilder should know that this cult is mainly drugs,,you know it well and so are everyone around on each and every board concerning bodybuilding,,


18. next time you try to say what gh15 says ,,make sure you quote it right,,i said majority of bodybuilding is hormones ,,there is still training and nutrition in the equation,,its just not as important as the products you use in modern bodybuilding

for I! AM THE GOD OF HORMONES,,
gh15 approved

aahahaahah, now that must've hurt, Howie.

[Howard]

aahahaahah, now that must've hurt, Howie.

No, not really hehe. In fact I started an outline fromat thread on BOTH sides of this debate.
Think about adding your thoughts on the drugs issue in that thread.There is more than enough silly insult threads here. Maybe, just maybe we can all act like adults and argue on an actual topic,  Thanks

[DK II]

No, not really hehe. In fact I started an outline fromat thread on BOTH sides of this debate.
Think about adding your thoughts on the drugs issue in that thread.There is more than enough silly insult threads here. Maybe, just maybe we can all act like adults and argue on an actual topic,  Thanks

I guess disturbia was right when he mentioned that you're so dull that you only get one tenth of all the jokes around here and completely no understand that nobody here likes you.

[tbombz]

Size and strength is of course related. But what stimulates an adaptive response, i.e., muscle growth in this case is subjecting your body to a stimuli it is not accustom to. This could be an increase resistance, or time under tension (TUT) often measured by an increase in reps. But like all things this has it's limits. As I mentioned in my previous post you can keep increasing load but this may be that you are simply getting better at the movement. If you switch the stimuli, say squats to front squats, this may trigger a new adaptive response.

Of course, everything has it's limits no matter what you do or what you take. 

the only thing thats going to cause an adaptive response is if you overload the muscle and cause trauma. only possible if your using more weight or more reps (or same weight and same reps just faster on the concentric and slower on the eccentric)

[pellius]

the only thing thats going to cause an adaptive response is if you overload the muscle and cause trauma. only possible if your using more weight or more reps (or same weight and same reps just faster on the concentric and slower on the eccentric)

No, you can also do so by changing the stimuli. Your body adapts very readily. Say, you have been flat dumbbell flies for eons. You're able to add weight over the years but eventually weight/overload progression slows considerably. You never experience DOMS. Then say you switch to the pec dec. Chances are you will experience DOMS.

You can also vary the stimuli using various intensity variables (forced reps, partials/burns, drop sets, rest pause...).

There is a correlation between size and strength but not necessarily a direct causation. A world class bodybuilder at the same height and weight of a power lifter/Olympic lifter carries far more muscle yet the power/Olympic lifter can lift more weight -- far more weight -- than a bodybuilder.

[tbombz]

your only going to grow from the new stimuli if the weight your using is enough to overload the muscle based on the weights you have been lifting with the other stimuli.

[gh15]

This is the basic pt of my side of the argument. Your post is a great, basic example.

Now, in fairness to pellius, GH 15, etc to be a top level bodybuilder you have to use drugs. The freakish size and cuts required to be a top IFBB pro require enhancement and great genetics. We could argue just how important drugs are all day. BUT, without drug testing it is a moot pt and basic reality in hardcore ,elite level BB.

The reality is that most guys who lift are never going to come close to an IFBB pro card.
The vast majority of guys who lift simply want a "6 pack", a  bigger bench or bigger guns, etc.
ANY guiy who trains hard and east a decent diet can make gains WITHOUT a bunch of drugs.

NO,, EVERY BODYBUILDER WAY BEFORE PROFESSIONAL ANYTHING,,ANY BODYBUILDER ANY LIFTER THAT WANNA WALK AT 5'10 220LB AT 10% USE HORMONES ,,ITS NOT ONLY THE FREAKY ONE OR THE ONE WHO HAVE DEEP CUT,,IT IS EVERY LIFTER WHO WANT TO GO PAST NATURAL LIMITS WHISH I STATED WHAT THEY WERE ,,,7LB PER INCH OF HEIGHT A NATURAL LIMIT IS STANDING AT 5'9 175-180 AT 8% ,,THAT IS CORRECT YOU WILL NEVER BE OVER 165LB ON STAGE NATURALLY AT THE HEIGHT OF 5'9 AT TRUE! 6%  YOU HEARD ME RIGHT FRIENDS,,YOU WILL NEVER SEE 4-5% UNLESS HORMONIZED OR HAVE STOMACK DEASESE IF HEALTH PROBLEM IS WHY YOU ARE 4% IT WILL BE EVEN WITH ALL YOU CAN EAT DIET AND YOU WILL BE 6'3 175LB IN THAT RATIO DEPARTMENT,,AGAIN 7LB PER EVERY INCH OF HEIGHT

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL HOWARD THAT MY WORDS ARE NOT UP FOR ARGUMENTS ,,I DO YOU A FAVOR I WRITE THIS ,,YOU ALREADY KNOW IT BUT! I DO A FAVOR FOR THE 100S OF THE INNOCENT BODYBUILDERS WHO GET ROBBED AND MISLEADED ON DAILY BASIS STARTING AT AGE 15 AND GOING UP TO LATE 20S WHEN THEY DISCOVER HOW IT REALLY IS,,THE ONES WHO DONT LISTEN TO OLD  GEEZER LIKE YOU ARE ON HORMONES FROM AGE 20 AND BY 30 ARE ALREADY PROFESSIONALS AND TOP AMATUERS ,,THE ONES WHO LISTEN TO THE DANTAS AND HAWIS ARE NEVER BODYBUILDERS PER SAY ...THEY ARE MORE OF A FAN JUST LIKE YOU HOWARD,,YOU WILL FIND THEM AT THE O EXPO WAITING IN LINE TO GET ME TO SIGN THEIR STUPID SHIRT,,

THE IMPORTANT OF DRUGS IS IN EVERY SPORT ,,AND IN BODYBUILDING AT ALL STAGES THAT INCLUDES LOCAL MR BATHROOM,, THE RESPONSE TO THOSE HORMONES WILL DETERMINE WHO WILL MAKE MONEY FROM BODYBUILDING ,,AND EVEN THEN! YOU NEED TO KISS ASS AND BE VERY VERY LUCKY AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE DECENT LIFE,,NOTHING MORE THAN DECENT! BECAUSE YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO PUT MONEY ON LOTS AND LOTS OF ...YOU GOT THAT RIGHT HORMONES!

gh15 approved

[gh15]

in regards to strengh,,strengh does NOT = size,,it has nothing to do with eachother,,the genetic repsond to the hormones with the ability to put stress aka training it with heavy weight = size,,  the size will stop coming at a point even if you increase in strength ,,it will come slower and slower into a complete stop UNLESS you increase doses of hormones,,

training routine has nothing to do with it,, nutrition has absolutly nothing to do with it ,,YOUR TENDOINDS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT ,,YOUR BONE STRUCTURE AND BONE STRENGH,,YOUR GENETIC ORIGIN,,AND YOU HEART AND MIND,,then a good strength drugs such as halotestin and suspension and superdrol which is laune norton lover will make any mouce into a strong beyond belif tiger,, there is no ifs or buts ,,this is not up for debate

gh15 approved

[pellius]

THE ONES WHO LISTEN TO THE DANTAS AND HAWIS ARE NEVER BODYBUILDERS PER SAY ...THEY ARE MORE OF A FAN JUST LIKE YOU HOWARD,,YOU WILL FIND THEM AT THE O EXPO WAITING IN LINE TO GET ME TO SIGN THEIR STUPID SHIRT,,

gh15 approved

LOL! Gold. Pure Gold.

[jude2]

WTF dose GH15 mean 7 pounds per inch of height? So 60 inches would be 420 pounds natural. Something is wrong here. Or does he mean 7 # per inch past 5'9 180.

[tbombz]

in regards to strengh,,strengh does NOT = size,,it has nothing to do with eachother,,the genetic repsond to the hormones with the ability to put stress aka training it with heavy weight = size,,  the size will stop coming at a point even if you increase in strength ,,it will come slower and slower into a complete stop UNLESS you increase doses of hormones,,

training routine has nothing to do with it,, nutrition has absolutly nothing to do with it ,,YOUR TENDOINDS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT ,,YOUR BONE STRUCTURE AND BONE STRENGH,,YOUR GENETIC ORIGIN,,AND YOU HEART AND MIND,,then a good strength drugs such as halotestin and suspension and superdrol which is laune norton lover will make any mouce into a strong beyond belif tiger,, there is no ifs or buts ,,this is not up for debate

gh15 approved

im not saying you dont know what your talking about. certainly strength doesnt equal size. but if you look at what im saying, i never said that strength did equal size. see, saying: "in order to get bigger you have to get stronger" is not the same thing as saying "in order to get stronger you have to get bigger". im only saying the first one. 

[SgtSpar]

Guess what part 2: If you ran exactly 1 mile every day for a year your V02 max would improve.

Whats so hard about this to understand?

No, it won't.  If you have already been running a mile for any length of time and you don't increase the distance or speed, your VO2 max won't change at all.  If you haven't been running and you start, it will increase very rapidly at first and then will stagnate.  If you keep running at the same pace and the same distance, your VO2 max will never increase again past the point it reached quickly.  If you run another ten years at that same pace and distance, you will maintain your VO2 max at exactly the same level.

[The Showstoppa]

No, it won't.  If you have already been running a mile for any length of time and you don't increase the distance or speed, your VO2 max won't change at all.  If you haven't been running and you start, it will increase very rapidly at first and then will stagnate.  If you keep running at the same pace and the same distance, your VO2 max will never increase again past the point it reached quickly.  If you run another ten years at that same pace and distance, you will maintain your VO2 max at exactly the same level.

It's kinda like an analogy I like to use about swinging a hammer.  Think of how many times a carpenter does it, or at least used to before nail-guns, and their arms don't get any bigger....now if they were to bump up to a 25lb or 50lb sledge, you would see a difference.

[SgtSpar]

It's kinda like an analogy I like to use about swinging a hammer.  Think of how many times a carpenter does it, or at least used to before nail-guns, and their arms don't get any bigger....now if they were to bump up to a 25lb or 50lb sledge, you would see a difference.

Exactly right.  On another hammering note, MunchAnus told me he didn't think it was fair that you can pound 1000 nails and it doesn't make you a carpenter, but you suck one cock and you're a homo forever.

[žoklis]

LOL! Gold. Pure Gold.

You have trained with Rickson Gracie...wasn`t he claiming 5`10 185lbs an he was prete lean about 10% -he also claimed of not lifting weights! Was thous claims real or was he used steroids?

[pellius]

You have trained with Rickson Gracie...wasn`t he claiming 5`10 185lbs an he was prete lean about 10% -he also claimed of not lifting weights! Was thous claims real or was he used steroids?

He didn't train with weights in the sense that we do. But he did do resistance training and that often included weights. Steroids weren't even in his world. Wasn't even a thought let alone a consideration. Just not their thing. He even was against weight lifting as we know it, or at least had a dim view of it. Still had that old school way of thinking that it made you stiff and inflexible.

BTW, Rickson and Royce are half brothers. As is common in third world countries, males have several families and Helio (Rickson's father) as well as the rest of that generation of Gracies were very -- well, reproductive. Rickson's mother is suppose to have been part Black.