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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #75 on: July 31, 2009, 04:45:55 PM »
n o yeah..i forgot..the Drake equation

http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html


o..btw..i did read somewhere that folks at CERN already sent the wave front of a particle as billionth of a second into the past....look up electron tunneling...i could be wrong here
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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #76 on: August 01, 2009, 11:05:18 AM »
Yes.  But not in our lifetimes.  Have you seen any good Mars movies lately?

Red Planet (2000) was pretty lame but


Mission to Mars (2000)--at least the last half hour--was cool.   :)


Read the "Red Mars", "Blue Mars" and "Green Mars" trilogy if you are interested in info about terraforming Mars - great reading all the way.

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #77 on: August 01, 2009, 12:45:21 PM »
i can agree with that also you should state whether you mean life, or intelligent life...there was some guy who stated it like this

to calculate the odds of us ever seeing another intelligent species is slim the odds of there being life other than on earth, with the odds that that life is intelligent, with the odds of us being able to find them, with the odds that our technology can reach them either physically or otherwise, with the odds of them having the technology to find and intupret or signals, with the odds that they would actually respond is astronomical...but at the same time there is the human race on earth so we know that it is possible.



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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #78 on: August 01, 2009, 12:51:32 PM »
If you have ever taken an astronomy class in college then you know there is life on other planets.  There are simply too many galaxies with stars and attendant solar systems for earth to be the only planet with life.  So, yes, there is certainly life out there—lots of it.  Undoubtedly, some of it is far more advanced than life on earth while others are not as advanced.

I am certain there are star faring races that routinely move between planets and solar systems.  There may even be communities among planets like the Federation in Star Trek or the Galactic Senate in Star Wars. 

Are aliens aware of us?  Maybe.  Have they come to earth?  I have no reason to think so.  We are too primitive to warrant serious attention from advanced civilizations. 

In both technology and social development we are not yet worthy of contact with alien visitors.  Aliens that have the technology to come here also have the technology to observe us without detection.  They could easily study us from a distance, learn our languages and customs, monitor our radio/tv broadcasts and our global internet.  Having done so, they would quickly learn we are deeply divided over superficial things like international borders, gender, race, sexuality, religion, and on and on.  Having observed that we can not even get along with one another why would aliens (who would certainly not look like us) decide that we could handle contact with beings that would certainly look like freaks (to us).

I am certain there are plenty of advanced civilizations out there but I do not think earth is on their radar screen for now.  We are not technologically and socially ready to handle contact with aliens. 

Even in Star Trek (TNG) they limit First Contact to new planets that have developed warp drive (light speed) technology.  One episode in particular deals with this subject http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68484.html





you see, I don;'t think aliens would give two hoots as to whether we can get along with each other...it's not that deep to them....that's just intellectual stuff that Star Trek made up.... they would be just as excited as we are and would rush to make contact with us...no matter what the consequences

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #79 on: August 01, 2009, 12:53:33 PM »
do you guys think we will ever get our shit together enough to colonize mars?


kinda tough to do with our budgetary constraints.....the whole world would have to work together and that ain't happening..theres too much distrust between us, the russians and the chinese..maybe in another 50 to 100 years

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #80 on: August 01, 2009, 12:58:07 PM »
If there was proof of intelligent life or if intelligent life visited our planet.what do you think would be the outcome regarding how we view basically everything.from foreign affairs and how people treat each other (racism,foreigners) to religion.I mean that would be a serious wake up call for those people that think in absolutes.

I think we would stop for a moment and reflect on this great discovery....there might be some bonding of the human race as humans..but then we'd go back to killing each other and hating each other..it's part of what makes us human..we can't help it

case in point..look at America after 9/11..we bonded as Americans..wasn't much racial nonsense or political fighting..but when it wore off, we went back to normal

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2009, 01:00:06 PM »
It may not be as revolutionary as you might think.  There have been other wake up calls throughout human history and they haven’t necessarily changed hearts and minds overnight for the better.  Hard core religious people, for example, would simply integrate the reality of alien life into their various belief systems. 

It is tempting to think that mankind would set aside our differences and realize our common interests, once we realized that we are not alone in the galaxy, but I doubt that would be the case; bigots and conservatives (funny how often these two go together), for example, would continue to cling to their prejudices.

Science fiction novels and films often portray mankind banding together when earth is attacked by aliens.  In theory, this makes sense since “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”  Unfortunately, if any aliens came here with hostile intentions, we would be sitting ducks at our current level of technology.  We can barely get to the moon and we are still using handguns as weapons.  We have not even learned how to truly harness solar power. ☹

The Dyson Sphere is a neat idea, but it will always be in the realm of fiction.  By contrast, I can see quantum leaps in solar panel and battery technology over the next one to two hundred years that would allow us to power our homes and cars with solar power.




Good post Bay...agreed X2

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2009, 01:07:07 PM »
Two entities that are in collusion together...




that's an interesting theory

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2009, 06:20:43 PM »
NASA says Kepler spacecraft proves it can find Earth-sized planets
Readings on the planet HAT-P-7b indicate that the craft's instruments should be able to spot relatively small planets in the habitable zones around stars in our galaxy, scientists say.
By John Johnson Jr.

NASA's planet-hunting spacecraft, Kepler, has made radical new discoveries about a hellish planet a thousand light years away -- proof, scientists say, that the craft will be able to carry out its mission of finding other Earths in our galaxy, provided they exist.

NASA scientists released Kepler's analysis Thursday of an already known "hot Jupiter" planet called HAT-P-7b in the constellation Cygnus. The spacecraft mapped the planet's orbit and gave new details about its hazy, ozone-like atmosphere, where temperatures climb as high as 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

The analysis proves that Kepler's onboard telescope and light-detecting instruments are at least 100 times more precise than the ground-based detectors that originally found HAT-P-7b, the scientists said at a briefing at NASA headquarters in Washington. That should be good enough to spot any pint-sized planets -- about the size of Earth -- in a star's so-called habitable zone, where temperatures are warm enough for water to be liquid but not so hot as to torch the planet's surface.

"Kepler has the ability to detect Earth-sized planets," Alan Boss, an astrophysicist with the Carnegie Institution of Washington, said at the briefing. "The question that remains is: How many Earths are there?"

Kepler, which was launched in March, is the first spacecraft with a mission to find potentially habitable worlds. Over the next few years, as it circles the sun in an Earth-trailing orbit, it will scan 100,000 stars in the constellations of Cygnus and Lyra, looking for planets.

Of the previously discovered 350 or so extrasolar planets -- those that lie outside our solar system -- none is a candidate for the "Goldilocks" planet, where things are just right for life to gain a foothold. Teams in Europe and the United States have found several super-Earths, planets that are slightly larger than our home planet. But all are either too close to their star and thus baking hells like Venus, or too far away and therefore ice-cube worlds like Pluto.

Since the launch of Kepler, controllers have spent most of their time tuning its sophisticated instruments, which are designed to detect the tiniest variations in light from a star thousands of light-years away that might indicate a planet orbiting it. Only in the last few weeks has the science team begun putting Kepler through its paces, gathering data...


http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-kepler7-2009aug07,0,4497874.story

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2009, 06:39:24 PM »


you see, I don;'t think aliens would give two hoots as to whether we can get along with each other...it's not that deep to them....that's just intellectual stuff that Star Trek made up.... they would be just as excited as we are and would rush to make contact with us...no matter what the consequences

If they are benevolent and the least bit self-interested they would care.  There is a lot of life in the universe.  It makes no rational sense for aliens to waste their time with planets that are not technologically and socially advanced enough to warrant contact.  It would be the equivalent of you or I spending time and money traveling to the other side of the planet to make contact with a colony of ants or a group of chimpanzees. Sure, we know they exist, but they are not a life form that is evolved (socially or technologically) enough to justify reaching out to them when there are other, more meaningful, beings we could be communicating with.


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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2009, 05:55:40 PM »
If they are benevolent and the least bit self-interested they would care.  There is a lot of life in the universe.  It makes no rational sense for aliens to waste their time with planets that are not technologically and socially advanced enough to warrant contact.  It would be the equivalent of you or I spending time and money traveling to the other side of the planet to make contact with a colony of ants or a group of chimpanzees. Sure, we know they exist, but they are not a life form that is evolved (socially or technologically) enough to justify reaching out to them when there are other, more meaningful, beings we could be communicating with.



good try but no cigar Bay....we humans if we heard there were alien ants on another planet we would rush there even more quickly.....just the thought of something other than us being ALIVE out there is just too exciting to ignore....

plus scientists would want to get samples and study them...in the hopes of maybe those ants might have something in their blood which can cure all diseases on earth..LOL

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2009, 06:36:21 PM »
If you have ever taken an astronomy class in college then you know there is life on other planets.  There are simply too many galaxies with stars and attendant solar systems for earth to be the only planet with life.  So, yes, there is certainly life out there—lots of it.  Undoubtedly, some of it is far more advanced than life on earth while others are not as advanced.

I am certain there are star faring races that routinely move between planets and solar systems.  There may even be communities among planets like the Federation in Star Trek or the Galactic Senate in Star Wars. 

Are aliens aware of us?  Maybe.  Have they come to earth?  I have no reason to think so.  We are too primitive to warrant serious attention from advanced civilizations. 

In both technology and social development we are not yet worthy of contact with alien visitors.  Aliens that have the technology to come here also have the technology to observe us without detection.  They could easily study us from a distance, learn our languages and customs, monitor our radio/tv broadcasts and our global internet.  Having done so, they would quickly learn we are deeply divided over superficial things like international borders, gender, race, sexuality, religion, and on and on.  Having observed that we can not even get along with one another why would aliens (who would certainly not look like us) decide that we could handle contact with beings that would certainly look like freaks (to us).

I am certain there are plenty of advanced civilizations out there but I do not think earth is on their radar screen for now.  We are not technologically and socially ready to handle contact with aliens. 

Even in Star Trek (TNG) they limit First Contact to new planets that have developed warp drive (light speed) technology.  One episode in particular deals with this subject http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68484.html



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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2010, 09:11:56 PM »
First habitable planet outside solar system is found
By Marc Kaufman

For the first time, astronomers have detected a rocky planet in another solar system that has the most basic and essential conditions needed to support extraterrestrial life.

The presence of Earth-like exoplanets in what is called the "habitable zone" has been predicted for some time, but actually identifying and measuring one was referred to Wednesday as the beginning of a new era in the search for life beyond Earth.

"This is our first Goldilocks planet - just the right size and the right distance from its sun," said astronomer and "planet-hunter" Paul Butler with the Carnegie Institution of Washington. "A threshold has been crossed."

The planet, called Gliese 581G, is quite close at 20 light years from Earth's solar system. It is considered to be in the habitable zone because of its distance from its sun and its size.

Together, those two measurements tell scientists that any water on the planet will be in liquid form, and that the planet is large enough to have the gravitational pull to hold an atmosphere around it.

Butler and colleague Steven Vogt of the University of California at Santa Cruz said their discovery, which was published in the Astrophysical Journal, was pieced together by collecting data over 11 years, does not mean that life necessarily exists on the planet. Rather, they said, the basic conditions are present to allow it to begin and keep it going. And from their research, they strongly believe similar conditions are present in many other solar systems.

"This is clearly one of the most exciting areas of science these days," said Edward Seidel of the National Science Foundation, which has helped support Butler's work for almost 25 years. "If we do discover life outside our planet, it would perhaps be the most significant discovery of all time."

Adding to the significance of the discovery, the star Gliese 581 is now known to have six and perhaps seven planets orbiting it. And unlike most distant solar systems detected so far, the planets all orbit in a circular path and are lined up by type in a way similar to our solar system.

"As we collect more data, we can see the system looks like our own - with an inner clutch of rocky, terrestrial planets and then a big loner like Jupiter further out," Vogt said.

It is significantly different, however, because the central sun is an M dwarf, a star with only 1 percent of the power that comes off Earth's sun. All the planets in the system are closer to their sun than the Earth is to its sun.

Butler and Vogt said the likelihood of finding many more planets in habitable zones has greatly increased because of where this first one was found and how long it took to find it. Gliese 581 is one of the stars closest to Earth (86th in distance from our solar system), and so is one of the easiest to study for exoplanets. In addition, it took 11 years of observing to tease out the presence of the habitable zone planet, a short time in astronomical terms.

"The logic now says there are lots of planets like this out there," Vogt said.

The research was funded by the National Science Foundation, NASA and some private sources.

The first exoplanet was detected in 1995 by a Swiss team and then quickly confirmed by Butler and his then-colleague Geoffrey Marcy. Since then, almost 500 exoplanets have been found, but many have been large gas giants like uninhabitable Jupiter.

But as techniques for finding exoplanets have become more precise, the ability of astronomers to find smaller ones has improved.

The scientific excitement about exoplanets was reflected in August, when the National Academy of Sciences' 10-year survey of astronomy placed exoplanet study near the top of the field's priorities.

In addition to discovering more and hopefully smaller planets, the study said, astronomers should be thinking about ways to learn about the chemical makeup of distant planets and their atmospheres. In particular, they should look for oxygen, ozone, methane and other "biosignatures" that suggest the presence of some form of biology.

The work by Butler and Vogt was mostly done at the W.M. Keck Observatory on the dormant Mauna Kea volcano in Hawaii and involves indirect measurements of the "wobble" of a target star that is created by the gravitational pull of an orbiting planet. It took 240 lengthy observations of Gliese 581 by the Americans and a Swiss team before Butler and Vogt were able to tease out the measurements of a habitable zone planet.

The newly discovered planet is locked in relation to its sun the way the moon is locked in relation to Earth - with only one side bathed in sunlight. But the researchers said the extremes of dark cold and bright heat are reduced along a band that circles the planet where the dark and light meet, creating a wide range of promising environmental niches.

Those areas are large enough, Butler said, for heat-loving creatures to live on the sun-facing region of the band and polar bears on the cold-facing side. He also said that because the planet does not rotate on an axis, the view from these areas would be of perpetual sunrise or sunset.

Red dwarf stars like Gliese 581 are considered among the longest living in the universe, so they can potentially provide a stable stellar environment for eons - an important factor in setting the conditions for life. The Earth's sun is also relatively long-lived but will cool to the point that Earthly life is impossible long before Gliese 581 loses its force.


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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #88 on: October 04, 2010, 07:43:54 PM »
If you have ever taken an astronomy class in college then you know there is life on other planets.  There are simply too many galaxies with stars and attendant solar systems for earth to be the only planet with life.  So, yes, there is certainly life out there—lots of it.  Undoubtedly, some of it is far more advanced than life on earth while others are not as advanced.

I am certain there are star faring races that routinely move between planets and solar systems.  There may even be communities among planets like the Federation in Star Trek or the Galactic Senate in Star Wars.  

Are aliens aware of us?  Maybe.  Have they come to earth?  I have no reason to think so.  We are too primitive to warrant serious attention from advanced civilizations.  

In both technology and social development we are not yet worthy of contact with alien visitors.  Aliens that have the technology to come here also have the technology to observe us without detection.  They could easily study us from a distance, learn our languages and customs, monitor our radio/tv broadcasts and our global internet.  Having done so, they would quickly learn we are deeply divided over superficial things like international borders, gender, race, sexuality, religion, and on and on.  Having observed that we can not even get along with one another why would aliens (who would certainly not look like us) decide that we could handle contact with beings that would certainly look like freaks (to us).

I am certain there are plenty of advanced civilizations out there but I do not think earth is on their radar screen for now.  We are not technologically and socially ready to handle contact with aliens.  

Even in Star Trek (TNG) they limit First Contact to new planets that have developed warp drive (light speed) technology.  One episode in particular deals with this subject http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68484.html



  Bay, I have to disagree with you here. There are certainly at least some few thousand planets out of the estimated quintillion in the visible Universe that have the conditions for life to arrise in them(rocky planet, right distance from the star, abundant water, etc). However, just because there are at least thousands of planets with the conditions for life, it does not follow that life will have arrised in any of them. Life could be ubiquitous to Earth. Life could be formed under such extremely rare and specific conditions that only happens once every septillion times that life could be a one time phenomenon. There might possibly be a "trigger" involved in the first self-replicating organic molecules forming that is ultra rare.

  Then, there are other mitigating variables that would preclude the formation of life in an intelligent form. We have no idea what is it in the process of natural selection that resulted in Humans having high intelligence. Maybe life arises in all or most of the planets that have the conditions for it, but it never reaches the stage of intelligence. Maybe sometimes the process that results in intelligence life forms is there, but natural disasters such as meteor showers and vulcanic eruptions wipes life out before it reaches that stage. So intelligent life is quite improbable even if life turns out to be mundane in the Universe.

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2010, 02:33:54 PM »
 Bay, I have to disagree with you here. There are certainly at least some few thousand planets out of the estimated quintillion in the visible Universe that have the conditions for life to arrise in them(rocky planet, right distance from the star, abundant water, etc). However, just because there are at least thousands of planets with the conditions for life, it does not follow that life will have arrised in any of them. Life could be ubiquitous to Earth. Life could be formed under such extremely rare and specific conditions that only happens once every septillion times that life could be a one time phenomenon. There might possibly be a "trigger" involved in the first self-replicating organic molecules forming that is ultra rare.

  Then, there are other mitigating variables that would preclude the formation of life in an intelligent form. We have no idea what is it in the process of natural selection that resulted in Humans having high intelligence. Maybe life arises in all or most of the planets that have the conditions for it, but it never reaches the stage of intelligence. Maybe sometimes the process that results in intelligence life forms is there, but natural disasters such as meteor showers and vulcanic eruptions wipes life out before it reaches that stage. So intelligent life is quite improbable even if life turns out to be mundane in the Universe.

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I agree with this.....I truly do not buy that there are other intelligent beings like us out there....I DO believe there is life out there somewhere..plants...orga nisms..bugs...fish maybe?......but people like us who are walking around and building planes, trains and automobiles?....I really do not believe this to be the case..I believe we are freaks of nature....we got lucky....our minds are just so unique and so different..we are able to conceptualize things and think about the future unlike other animals......I just don't see it......I don't buy into there being UFO's and stuff....

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Re: Is there other life in the universe?
« Reply #90 on: October 21, 2010, 03:39:10 PM »
I agree with this.....I truly do not buy that there are other intelligent beings like us out there....I DO believe there is life out there somewhere..plants...orga nisms..bugs...fish maybe?......but people like us who are walking around and building planes, trains and automobiles?....I really do not believe this to be the case..I believe we are freaks of nature....we got lucky....our minds are just so unique and so different..we are able to conceptualize things and think about the future unlike other animals......I just don't see it......I don't buy into there being UFO's and stuff....

and yet you could be wrong...And from a mathematical/probability standpoint you more than likely are wrong...
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