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Primemuscle

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« Reply #100 on: November 07, 2012, 08:59:39 PM »
The vast vast vast majority elective...there are plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy that will make abortion irrelevant as there isnt a pregnancy to begin with.

I completely agree that prevention is better than an abortion. However, look at the demographic that is having unwanted babies.

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Demographic Disparities

• Unintended pregnancy rates are highest among poor and low-income women, women aged 18–24, cohabiting women and minority women.

• The rate of unintended pregnancy among poor women (those with incomes at or below the federal poverty level) in 2006 was 132 per 1,000 women aged 15–44, more than five times the rate among women at the highest income level (24 per 1,000).

• Poor women’s high rate of unintended pregnancy results in their also having high rates of both abortions (52 per 1,000) and unplanned births (66 per 1,000). In 2006, poor women had an unintended birth rate six times as high as that of higher-income women.
 
• In 2006, black women had the highest unintended pregnancy rate of any racial or ethnic groups. At 91 per 1,000 women aged 15–44, it was more than double that of non-Hispanic white women (36 per 1,000).

• In 2006, women without a high school degree had the highest unintended pregnancy rate among all educational levels (80 per 1,000 women aged 15–44), and rates decreased as years of education attained increased.

• Some groups—including higher-income women, white women, college graduates and married women—are comparatively successful at timing and spacing their pregnancies. For example, higher-income white women experience unintended pregnancy at one-third the national rate (17 vs. 52 per 1,000).
 
• The proportion of pregnancies that are unintended generally decreases as age increases. The highest unintended pregnancy rate in 2006 was among women aged 20–24 (107 per 1,000 women).

• Traditional estimates understate the extent to which sexually active teens experience unintended pregnancies, because they typically include all women, whether or not they are sexually active. While most older women are sexually active, many teens are not. The unintended pregnancy rate among only those teens who are sexually active is more than twice the rate among all women.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Unintended-Pregnancy-US.html

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« Reply #101 on: November 07, 2012, 09:05:49 PM »
I like 33 because every single Obama voter had to choose obama -

KNOWING FULL WELL -

That he let the embassy happen, that he delivered serious debt, that he probably was born in Kenya...

33 destroyed that rock star image that obama had in 2008, helped everyone realize the good and bad of 2012, and really made sure everyone knew in 2012 that Obama was a phony.

Now, Repubs didn't lose because obama was awesome, they lost because Romney sucked as a candidate.  We can say it now.  Romney was the WORST - he wrote obamacare, he signed a gun ban.  There is NO way, particularly in the tea party era, that a ROmney shuold have won.  It's not even like he had an amazing personality to overcome his weak record.  People didn't like him.

I hope 333386 stays... someone needs to let us know how bad the dems suck.  I'd hate for this place to 'give in' to the left.

You can be his successor.  Your quite the douche yourself.

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« Reply #102 on: November 07, 2012, 09:06:59 PM »
I completely agree that prevention is better than an abortion. However, look at the demographic that is having unwanted babies.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Unintended-Pregnancy-US.html
I dont get your point prime, we all know that abortions are higher in poor minority communities...

LOL at "unintended" pregnancy...WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?

you mean having sex without protection and the guy nutting in you causes pregnancy?

WHO FUCKING KNEW???

Id be ok with elective abortion if the retards get sterlized after

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« Reply #103 on: November 07, 2012, 09:52:08 PM »
I dont get your point prime, we all know that abortions are higher in poor minority communities...

LOL at "unintended" pregnancy...WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?

you mean having sex without protection and the guy nutting in you causes pregnancy?

WHO FUCKING KNEW???

Id be ok with elective abortion if the retards get sterlized after

So intention is the issue for you?
If someone used contraception and still got pregnant then Tony's rules would allow them to choose an elective abortion/

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« Reply #104 on: November 07, 2012, 09:55:02 PM »
As you said... every time 333 got kicked in the ovaries, Fairy was right there with the icepack.  Frostbitten lips are not a pretty sight.

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Primemuscle

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« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2012, 09:32:39 AM »
I dont get your point prime, we all know that abortions are higher in poor minority communities...

LOL at "unintended" pregnancy...WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?

you mean having sex without protection and the guy nutting in you causes pregnancy?

WHO FUCKING KNEW???

Id be ok with elective abortion if the retards get sterlized after

Women should insist on protection or use protection if they don't want to get pregnant or cannot afford to raise a child. However, men should take equal responsibility. If a man doesn't want or cannot afford a child, they should make sure if the woman isn't using birth control that they use protection. Of course, to look at pregnancy in this practical way, both parties would have to be intelligent and mature acting people regardless of their age. Apparently from the statistics, maturity, income and intelligence does count when it comes to unintended pregnancies.

The truth is, I have little personal experience with this matter. My wife wanted 5 children and we had 2 for a number of reasons. Both of our children were planned and wanted. Our children, when they became adults and were settled in their marriages, had children which they wanted and which were planned. I do have one niece who has four children and who has never been married. She lives in public housing, gets public assistance and occasionally finds some work that doesn't pay well. She was nine months pregnant with her first child when she graduated high school many years ago. That child is fifteen years old today. When she was turning 30, she complained that she hadn't had the chance to really live and enjoy life yet. That was her choice.

Many people who argue against abortion also complain about welfare recipients who are often unwed mothers. In our welfare systems around the country, having children is something of a plus if you are unskilled and unable to find work that pays a living wage because with children qualifying for public assistance is easier. I don't like supporting others who made poor decisions anymore than the next person. What bothers me more is seeing children who were not wanted in the first place, being abused by their parents. There are often horror stories in the news about some child that was abused by demented parents or step parents. This breaks my heart. Children are precious. Many people who have children as a result of unintended pregnancies seem to fail to realize this.

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« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2012, 09:57:28 AM »
100k x 0 = 0


LMAO. This may be out of reach for him chimps. ;D

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« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2012, 10:09:47 AM »
I have to say, it was 333 that made me aware of what a slime Holder is.  Worst ever, next to Gonzalez.


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« Reply #108 on: November 08, 2012, 11:23:29 AM »
Women should insist on protection or use protection if they don't want to get pregnant or cannot afford to raise a child. However, men should take equal responsibility. If a man doesn't want or cannot afford a child, they should make sure if the woman isn't using birth control that they use protection. Of course, to look at pregnancy in this practical way, both parties would have to be intelligent and mature acting people regardless of their age. Apparently from the statistics, maturity, income and intelligence does count when it comes to unintended pregnancies.

The truth is, I have little personal experience with this matter. My wife wanted 5 children and we had 2 for a number of reasons. Both of our children were planned and wanted. Our children, when they became adults and were settled in their marriages, had children which they wanted and which were planned. I do have one niece who has four children and who has never been married. She lives in public housing, gets public assistance and occasionally finds some work that doesn't pay well. She was nine months pregnant with her first child when she graduated high school many years ago. That child is fifteen years old today. When she was turning 30, she complained that she hadn't had the chance to really live and enjoy life yet. That was her choice.

Many people who argue against abortion also complain about welfare recipients who are often unwed mothers. In our welfare systems around the country, having children is something of a plus if you are unskilled and unable to find work that pays a living wage because with children qualifying for public assistance is easier. I don't like supporting others who made poor decisions anymore than the next person. What bothers me more is seeing children who were not wanted in the first place, being abused by their parents. There are often horror stories in the news about some child that was abused by demented parents or step parents. This breaks my heart. Children are precious. Many people who have children as a result of unintended pregnancies seem to fail to realize this.

You're assuming that unintended pregnancies result in abused or neglected children.  I'm not sure the numbers support that kind of assumption. 

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« Reply #109 on: November 08, 2012, 12:20:24 PM »
You're assuming that unintended pregnancies result in abused or neglected children.  I'm not sure the numbers support that kind of assumption. 


I don't know if the numbers support this either. But it might be possible to find out. I do know from first hand experience that not all children born as a result of unintended pregnancies are abused or neglected.

I mentioned my niece in an earlier post. Her oldest child was raised primarily by his grandparents, who have not abused him. My niece and the father of her other three children, along with the grandparents have all been responsible for caring for them. When I have been around my niece's younger boys, they seem to be somewhat wild acting and perhaps spoiled, but there is no indication they are being abused or neglected.

It takes maturity and dedication to be a good parent. Logically speaking, most teenagers who have children lack the maturity to be good parents. It cost money to raise a child, people with low incomes are bound to face some difficulties providing for their children's needs. A good parent devotes considerable time raising a child. When a person must cobble together several low paying jobs to make ends meet, this can impact a parent's ability to devote much time to bringing up and caring for their children. Of course not having enough time, being mature or having the funds necessary to fully care for a child does not necessarily result in neglect or abuse.

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« Reply #110 on: November 08, 2012, 12:25:11 PM »

I don't know if the numbers support this either. But it might be possible to find out. I do know from first hand experience that not all children born as a result of unintended pregnancies are abused or neglected.

I mentioned my niece in an earlier post. Her oldest child was raised primarily by his grandparents, who have not abused him. My niece and the father of her other three children, along with the grandparents have all been responsible for caring for them. When I have been around my niece's younger boys, they seem to be somewhat wild acting and perhaps spoiled, but there is no indication they are being abused or neglected.

It takes maturity and dedication to be a good parent. Logically speaking, most teenagers who have children lack the maturity to be good parents. It cost money to raise a child, people with low incomes are bound to face some difficulties providing for their children's needs. A good parent devotes considerable time raising a child. When a person must cobble together several low paying jobs to make ends meet, this can impact a parent's ability to devote much time to bringing up and caring for their children. Of course not having enough time, being mature or having the funds necessary to fully care for a child does not necessarily result in neglect or abuse.

Well said.  I agree. 

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« Reply #111 on: November 08, 2012, 01:17:40 PM »
Here is what Wikipedia reports as the causes of child abuse:

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Child abuse is a complex phenomenon with multiple causes. Understanding the causes of abuse is crucial to addressing the problem of child abuse. Parents who physically abuse their spouses are more likely than others to physically abuse their children. However, it is impossible to know whether marital strife is a cause of child abuse, or if both the marital strife and the abuse are caused by tendencies in the abuser.
 
Children resulting from unintended pregnancies are more likely to be abused or neglected. In addition, unintended pregnancies are more likely than intended pregnancies to be associated with abusive relationships, and there is an increased risk of physical violence during pregnancy. They also result in poorer maternal mental health, and lower mother-child relationship quality.
 
Substance abuse can be a major contributing factor to child abuse. One U.S. study found that parents with documented substance abuse, most commonly alcohol, cocaine, and heroin, were much more likely to mistreat their children, and were also much more likely to reject court-ordered services and treatments. Another study found that over two-thirds of cases of child maltreatment involved parents with substance abuse problems. This study specifically found relationships between alcohol and physical abuse, and between cocaine and sexual abuse.
 
Unemployment and financial difficulties are associated with increased rates of child abuse. In 2009 CBS News reported that child abuse in the United States had increased during the economic recession. It gave the example of a father who had never been the primary care-taker of the children. Now that the father was in that role, the children began to come in with injuries.
 
A 1988 study of child murders in the US found that children are 100 times more often killed by a "non-biological parent (e.g. step-parent, co-habitee or boyfriend/girlfriend of a biological parent)" than by a biological parent. An evolutionary psychology explanation for this is that using resources in order to take care of another person's biological child is likely not a good strategy for increasing reproductive success. More generally, stepchildren have a much higher risk of being abused which is sometimes referred to as the Cinderella effect.
 
Psychologists conducted a study in the United States in 2010 which examined over 200 regular church attendees from eleven different denominations of Christianity, most of whom were educated, upper-middle class White Americans, found that extrinsic religious orientation was associated with a greater risk of physical child abuse. Those with a more extrinsic religious orientation who also adhered to greater social conformity were particularly more likely to share characteristics with physically abusive subjects. Subjects who adhered to Biblical literalism exhibited a higher potential of physical child abuse. Those who had a more intrinsic religious orientation were not found to be at a greater risk of child abuse, although they sometimes exhibited greater social conformity or a greater propensity for holding literal interpretations of the Bible. Approximately 85% of the study's subjects were parents.

I included all the factors suggested as contributing to child neglect and child abuse because clearly there are many causes besides unintended pregnancies. However, unintended pregnancies and some of the other common factors, which are in bold type, do seem to go hand in hand.

Some people might have viewed my childhood as one where I was abused and maybe neglected. I was not the result of an unintended pregnancy. My parents were mostly financially sound. My mother was a stay-at-home mom, for the most part.

Both my biological parents were substance abusers. My parents separated when I was 4 years old. My father was unemotional and remote to me during the short time I spent with him. My mother was often physically and emotionally abusive to others, including me. However, I certainly did not suffer the worst abuse she could dole out. She reserved that for my stepfather.

Unlike my stepfather, I fought back when she was abusive to me, by blocking her punches and slaps and yelling right back at her when she was being verbally abusive to me. I vacated this abusive/dysfunctional household when I was 16 years old. Fortunately, I also had many very positive experiences growing up which I prefer to recall and which certainly helped shape my good life as an adult.