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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2015, 11:56:11 PM »
Under Obamas watch he lost the House and the Senate. It was two of the biggest losses in over a 100 years, thanks to his policies. They were voted in to stop him.

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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #76 on: July 31, 2015, 01:50:45 AM »
Under Obamas watch he lost the House and the Senate. It was two of the biggest losses in over a 100 years, thanks to his policies. They were voted in to stop him.

Yet he won the Presidential election again.

I'm not saying he's a great President... Really, I don't think you're ever going to see another "great" President, but he would probably win again if he could run again.

This is from someone who never voted for the guy.

Do you really think allowing Iran to have nukes and hundreds of billions of US aid is a good idea? Do you really think they're honest people who will do what they say, and that they won't perhaps turn against us and our allies with the nukes at some point? Why weren't the hostages released?

And it's really funny to read opinions of how soldiers should think and act coming from those who obviously never served in the military. Marine snipers, Navy Seals, Army rangers, infantry people in general, etc are not peace loving hippies who want to make friends with their enemies and "negotiate" deals they know their enemies won't abide by. They are killers - the kinds of people who run TOWARDS gun fire in an effort to stop it, while most people are hiding under desks. Rather than try to analyze their thought processes or change them, to paraphrase Col Jessup, it's probably better to just be grateful and move along.  ;D


Well let me ask you then.

What do you think SHOULD be done in regards to Iran?

Another ground war? You think that's the answer?

I ask genuinely because I don't know if another 10 year war to "break even" would work very well for the US economically.

So what is the answer to Iran?

Do we not only have 3 options?

1. We keep doing what we are doing... sanctions and what not. Iran most likely gets a nuke and we have no eyes on it.
2. We fight a war to keep it from happening. 10 years again? Economic struggle?
3. We try to keep eyes on them along with the rest of the world and at least work on watching them to keep them from getting said nuke.


Now if there's a 4th or 5th option, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I don't know I see any myself.

Am I missing something?

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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #77 on: July 31, 2015, 05:52:10 AM »
Under Obamas watch he lost the House and the Senate. It was two of the biggest losses in over a 100 years, thanks to his policies. They were voted in to stop him.

obama had Boehnne standing with him to sell that 1.6 trillion dollar monstrosity budget to completely undercut any power the new senate had.  Obama also has John Roberts pushing obamacare and gay marriage thru.  Then he just pushed amnesty on his own with exec order, and repubs lined up to say "me too!"

IMO, obama lets the repubs have the parades for owning house and senate... and continues to do whatever the fck he wants.    I agree with you that repubs were elected to stop him.  But they aren't, they won't, and they aren't going to do it.

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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #78 on: July 31, 2015, 08:10:36 AM »
Yet he won the Presidential election again.

I'm not saying he's a great President... Really, I don't think you're ever going to see another "great" President, but he would probably win again if he could run again.

This is from someone who never voted for the guy.

Well let me ask you then.

What do you think SHOULD be done in regards to Iran?

Another ground war? You think that's the answer?

I ask genuinely because I don't know if another 10 year war to "break even" would work very well for the US economically.

So what is the answer to Iran?

Do we not only have 3 options?

1. We keep doing what we are doing... sanctions and what not. Iran most likely gets a nuke and we have no eyes on it.
2. We fight a war to keep it from happening. 10 years again? Economic struggle?
3. We try to keep eyes on them along with the rest of the world and at least work on watching them to keep them from getting said nuke.


Now if there's a 4th or 5th option, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I don't know I see any myself.

Am I missing something?

excellent post.....I don't want to go to ewar AGAIN and be bogged down for 10 more years with snipers killing our guys (and girls) and us spending 2 TRILLION MORE for an outcome of God knows what........Iran is going to get the nuke anyway if they want....you cannot stop a country from getting a nuke short of war un;ess you negotiate........its worth a try..if not, then let the Israelis do something about it..not us.....

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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #79 on: July 31, 2015, 11:08:32 AM »
you can try and rationalize it any way you want....BUT..the fact is, the person who is in power at the time gets the credit or blame for what occurs.....The president is not expected to be a financial or economic genius..BUT..he is expected to pick the best people who ARE...which he obviously did so he DOES get credit for what occurs concerning the economy.....Bin Laden was killed on his watch as well...maybe another president would have felt it too risky or would be afraid of failure reflecting poorly on him, so he may not have given the green light like Obama did....so...HE GETS CREDIT FOR THAT AS WELL

There are other things as well but you get my point



Not rationalizing. Virtually all of the heroics by Paulson, Bernanke, and co were put in place before Obama ever took office. What exactly did Obama's people do after he came into office that saved the world?

What other things? Please be specific.
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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #80 on: July 31, 2015, 11:25:21 AM »
How would you know whether you were speaking to the real deal or not? Why can't military members have views critical of their own? Why should citizens simply be 'grateful' without critical inquiry into the nature of the military and the consequences of its actions abroad?

If you're saying you're a veteran, I'll take your word for it. But you certainly don't sound like one IMO. Of course criticism is your right as an American citizen. But the thousands of military and former military people in general I've served with, interacted with, and listened to over the years respect the need for a strong military as a deterrent to the aggression of savages like Putin, and these idiots in N Korea and most ME countries.

And it should be common sense that those in many other cultures are primitive savages who do not share our morals and beliefs, and for whom agreements mean nothing - they will lie to your face, and only respect strength.

And no, I'm not claiming to have been any kind of special forces badass or killer or anything myself - I served several years a couple of decades ago, and my job mostly consisted of sitting in front of a computer.

Our country was not built upon a weak national defense / foreign policy, and using two thirds of its money towards entitlements. Until recent times, the federal govt's main jobs were to protect the citizens from legit harm and fraud, and protect our interests abroad - not to beat the hell out of half the population so that the other half could live middle class lifestyles from cradle to grave without contributing anything.

Obama didn't start it, but he certainly pushed it over the line. And the next Dem or even RINO president will probably push us past the point of no return. I'll probably just have to join the growing numbers of more and more of us old fossils who aren't comfortable with the "fundamental transformation of America", and take my skills, assets, and future tax dollars elsewhere.

The fact that so many of you would willingly vote for a third term for a president if he was to find a way around the 22nd Amendment is scary in and of itself. No one should be emperor.
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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2015, 11:11:51 AM »
excellent post.....I don't want to go to ewar AGAIN and be bogged down for 10 more years with snipers killing our guys (and girls) and us spending 2 TRILLION MORE for an outcome of God knows what........Iran is going to get the nuke anyway if they want....you cannot stop a country from getting a nuke short of war un;ess you negotiate........its worth a try..if not, then let the Israelis do something about it..not us.....


I agree with you about Iran getting the nukes, but I'm not so confident that sitting back and letting Israel take care of things is the best answer.

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Re: Obama: I Could Win If I Ran Again
« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2015, 03:24:31 PM »

I agree with you about Iran getting the nukes, but I'm not so confident that sitting back and letting Israel take care of things is the best answer.
Not just Israel...the other Arab states need to get off their ass as well...they have the wealth and resources and are the most directly threatened..they just want to wait for the U.S. to do the heavy lifting