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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #400 on: October 31, 2006, 12:48:29 PM »
I think your chest looks fine...the leaner you get the better it will look compared to your delts. just my opinion of course.

do you do alot of DB presses flat and incline?

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I agree, It's not huge but it's in proportion.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #401 on: October 31, 2006, 12:50:49 PM »
I guess I'm referring more to separation than mass.  Mark Wahlberg may not have as much muscle in his chest as I do, but he has those lines of separation which really display the chest well.  This may just be the result of being in good condition, or just having a good rib cage for it.  Notice that even when Mark was skinny as can be in Boogie Nights he still had good separation in his chest.
It's all genetics. Don't worry about trying to change the shape of any muscle or give it separation. It can't be done to any appreciable degree. I have made the challenge on a few boards to please show me a competitive bodybuilder who changed how any of his muscles looked or even a bodybuilder who made a weak bodypart a strong one. I haven't gotten one good example yet. You can get bigger overall and that's about it. For example Lee's chest was lagging at the start of his career - did he manage to bring into proportion? Nope.

All the advice on how you should concentrate on inclines to bring up the upper chest or what have you is absolutely useless.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #402 on: October 31, 2006, 12:53:07 PM »
Hard to say.  Keep in mind I am 29% body fat.  >:(

It's very easy to say.

You look like someone who is serious about BBing.

Adonis looks like a vulture.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #403 on: October 31, 2006, 01:11:27 PM »
I agree with what the guys above have said about your benching, keep it like that...the leaner you get the better lines you will see.

i'm a power lifter so flat bench is my focus but i do alot of incline DB work as well...i usually start with incline DB unless i'm training for a meet and then i'll always start with flat BB bench, heavy triples and doubles.

Keep training hard, you are on the right track!

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« Reply #404 on: October 31, 2006, 01:45:19 PM »
TA has claimed to deadlift 225 for 113 reps
I doubt Savickas or Pudz could deadlift 225 for 113 reps. Even though they could probably do 850 for one rep and do about 700 for 8 reps. I don't think any human has the stamina to deadlift 225 for 113 reps.
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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #405 on: October 31, 2006, 01:53:56 PM »
I doubt Savickas or Pudz could deadlift 225 for 113 reps. Even though they could probably do 850 for one rep and do about 700 for 8 reps. I don't think any human has the stamina to deadlift 225 for 113 reps.

Maybe Savickas or Svend Karlsen.

Maybe either of those two, they are both great deadlifters, and with stamina.

Would I bet on it? No way.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #406 on: October 31, 2006, 01:58:00 PM »
I doubt Savickas or Pudz could deadlift 225 for 113 reps. Even though they could probably do 850 for one rep and do about 700 for 8 reps. I don't think any human has the stamina to deadlift 225 for 113 reps.

to have the stamina to do 225 for 112 reps you'd have to be strong enough that 225 feels like air. the amount of reps you can do in proportion to your max isn't that simple. adonis's best deadlift that we have any evidence of looks like about 555 that he didn't lock out. so he claims to be able to do 11,200% as many reps with around 40% of his max.

i'd be surprised if he can get 30 or 40.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #407 on: October 31, 2006, 02:58:13 PM »
It may have happened.  Check out this post by Woten, which he posted in one of my clip pages on youtube:

"Nice work Matt, no, not the cunting video above, but the thread riding TA's ass, good stuff LOL

Oh and, what is the general opinion of Rockets Busey based gimmick account? I like it, mind you, Rocket is one of the hottest things on Getbig, gold no less

Finally, Ron, dont be a pussy, let me back on the board, you fucking coal burning jew!"


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« Reply #408 on: October 31, 2006, 03:05:54 PM »
Maybe Savickas or Svend Karlsen.

Maybe either of those two, they are both great deadlifters, and with stamina.

Would I bet on it? No way.

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I can't see Adonis saying he did that? Its too outrageous. I could see Jaejonna claiming it though. He is a pathological liar.
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« Reply #409 on: October 31, 2006, 03:12:47 PM »
I can't see Adonis saying he did that? Its too outrageous. I could see Jaejonna claiming it though. He is a pathological liar.

You are old. You can't even deadlift 300 pounds.
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« Reply #410 on: October 31, 2006, 03:39:37 PM »
You are old. You can't even deadlift 300 pounds.

I am old but I can still deadlift over 300 pounds.
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« Reply #411 on: October 31, 2006, 04:34:42 PM »
Today I failed doing 455.  I was feeling good during my workout and really thought I would get it.  My confidence was 85-90%.  It was definitely a good day, if not the best day.  I started with 135 and went up to 225, 315, and 405 (for a single), before doing 455.  Here is the single with 405 before I jumped in to 455:



Peter gave me his velcro straps because he thinks they are better, but honestly I think the old style straps are better.  The ones he gave me had very little length and could barely wrap around the bar once.  The old ones could be wrapped around many times.  Had I used those I may have gotten 455, but I think it was my back that gave and not my grip.

Just a note - notice in the video THREE people stopped to watch me deadlift 405?  Two dudes training were watching a chick who you can see to the left of me in the clip.  I also find it funny that I have never seen ANYONE in my gym routinely deadlift over four plates or even over three plates.  In fact, you will pretty much NEVER see 405 lifted.  Funny how everyone online handles four plates for reps though.

After I failed at 455, I deadlifted 225 for 113 reps just to beat TA's record.  I didn't get a clip of it though - sorry.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #412 on: October 31, 2006, 04:35:17 PM »
After I failed at 455, I deadlifted 225 for 113 reps just to beat TA's record.  I didn't get a clip of it though - sorry.

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« Reply #413 on: October 31, 2006, 04:38:50 PM »
Ouch, Matt. My back hurts just looking at that clip. Don't fcuk yourself up just for internet bragging rights, especially vs. TA. No upside to that.  :)

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« Reply #414 on: October 31, 2006, 04:53:11 PM »
It was 132 when I had it measured at 17 back in 1999.  I don't imagine it has changed much in that time.  I could claim 150 - but what's the point?  If I tell the truth I can verify whatever it is that I claim - unlike some people.  ;)

That much is true.

Hey man, did TA post that clip yet?

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #415 on: October 31, 2006, 04:56:36 PM »
looks like your hips shoot up too early, matt. take a breath, keep your head up, and try to lean back into the lift. rounding of the back isn't a huge problem as long as your hips are low, but yours weren't and that robbed you of strength.

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« Reply #416 on: October 31, 2006, 05:32:52 PM »
MattC,

Just a (couple) point(s) on the deads... (from a guy who turned his from a weak lift to a strong one).

-don't ever let your back round
-maintain an "arched" back
-if the arch deteriorates, allow the back to straighten... but drop the weight at the first sign of rounding
-keep your butt lower, drive with the legs
-let your knees move out over your big toe
-don't "snap" at the weight, pull it. (snapping 400 lbs tears tendons, elbows never recover)
-lead up with your chin and keep your chest inflated
-keep the bar as close to the shins/legs/body as is practical

Most importantly of all:
-Don't ever lean back beyond the perpendicular upright standing position

...it's a waste of energy, works no muscles to any great extent, endangers the lower lumbar region by introducing excessive sheer forces in an unnatural position... and... not meaning anything derogatory here... leaning back is actually a method of finishing a deadlift that has finished in a "hitched" position. Look deep, deep-down into your heart of hearts... you know this to be true.

Hitching is considered cheating in powerlifting, in bodybuilding... leaning should be considered hitching, and by definition a form of cheating.

Hope this helps, the only other advice I could offer would be to decrease your height; widen the shoulders and ribcage; maybe shorten your legs... it works. I'm 5'4'' 210 lbs (a chubby 25% bf) yet I can deadlift 405 for 5 (405 for 10 if I allow my back to straighten). I'm not strong, it's all leverage and proportions.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #417 on: October 31, 2006, 05:37:51 PM »




225X100 Deads................... ... ::)


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« Reply #418 on: October 31, 2006, 05:39:29 PM »
-don't ever let your back round
-maintain an "arched" back
-if the arch deteriorates, allow the back to straighten... but drop the weight at the first sign of rounding
-keep your butt lower, drive with the legs
-let your knees move out over your big toe
-don't "snap" at the weight, pull it. (snapping 400 lbs tears tendons, elbows never recover)
-lead up with your chin and keep your chest inflated
-keep the bar as close to the shins/legs/body as is practical

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ideally in a deadlift your knees stay above your heels. you have to lean back a bit to get your leverages at their best. it's not easy and i'm terrible at it but getting better. a flat back is good, no need for an arch. and definitely snap the weight, don't do this slow increase in power thing. grab the bar and act like you're aiming to throw it. the more force you get at the bottom the easier it is to lock out.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #419 on: October 31, 2006, 05:50:20 PM »
deadlifting 185 for 50 would be tough for the average lifter.

Matt,your chest looks fine......especially for a guy who`s 29 % bodyfat!!  LOL  :)

Seriously,it looks in proportion to me.

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« Reply #420 on: October 31, 2006, 05:56:51 PM »
2003.......I have no clue really....I just go by the mirror for the most part.

Probably around 165 or so with 5-6 % bodyfat................. ....just a guesstimate though??

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« Reply #421 on: October 31, 2006, 05:58:59 PM »
Sorry Magoo,

My bad, I should have clarified that I meant the knees should be out over the big toe when the bar is at knee level or below:

-knees out over the big toe in the starting position
-bar over toes with kness touching against it when the bar is at knee level
-knees over heels for the upper part of the lift

...I stand by everything else I said. I've outlined how BODYBUILDERS should perform the deadlift for maximum effectiveness, powerlifters can be a little more slack in their form... but that's just ego lifting. The points Magoo disagrees with me on are mostly minor misconceptions... he'll come around to my way of thinking when/if he injures himself or gets more deadlifting experience under his belt.

Just one point of contention...

Simply can't agree with Magoo on the snapping thing... it's one of the leading causes of injury among deadlifters. It's analagous to allowing a lat pulldown bar to snap out to the arms length position... except the lat bar has 400 lbs on it. Your deadlift personal best progression finishes the day you tear one of those tendons in your shoulder or elbow... your deadlift will simply never recover. Think about that. With the arm straight all the tension is on the support structures in the shoulder/elbow/wrist... most people can snap with 225... snapping a deadlift with 315 will cause injury in a cumulative way... snapping 405 is asking for trouble... snapping 500+ is playing Russian Roulette with your lifting career.

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #422 on: October 31, 2006, 06:01:19 PM »
Yeah, you're really good at regurgitating information any one who has been deadlifting for more than 6 months should know. Congratulations, you sure do know your deadlifting!

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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #423 on: October 31, 2006, 06:01:43 PM »
I'm 5'4'' 210 lbs (a chubby 25% bf) yet I can deadlift 405 for 5 (405 for 10 if I allow my back to straighten). I'm not strong, it's all leverage and proportions.

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This does not look like 5'4 210..................... ..... you delusional troll ('The Luke' is the elf in the black shirt)


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Re: TA - verify your lifts.
« Reply #424 on: October 31, 2006, 06:02:58 PM »
I never snap the bar.......I was taught by a guy who pulled 650 back in the 70`s to never snap the bar on the initial pull.

Just my opinion.