Author Topic: Athiests are more noble than god believing folks...cause... (Read 14562 times)

ToxicAvenger · « **on:** November 06, 2006, 04:06:12 PM »

The basis of morality amongst religious types is fear of god...

atheists are good because its in their nature to be good...they make their choice to be good without fear of going to hell...

Christians, Jews and Muslims are good because they believe if they r not good they r gonna end up in hell...so it still leaves to beg whether these same folks would still be good if god ws taken out of the equation?

who knows...

all i know is...I'm an atheist...and i still do good without expecting a heaven as reward in the end.

doing good without expecting reward is more noble in my eyes

thankyou

Butterbean · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2006, 04:34:18 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on November 06, 2006, 04:06:12 PM

The basis of morality amongst religious types is fear of god...

atheists are good because its in their nature to be good...they make their choice to be good without fear of going to hell...

Christians, Jews and Muslims are good because they believe if they r not good they r gonna end up in hell...so it still leaves to beg whether these same folks would still be good if god ws taken out of the equation?

who knows...

all i know is...I'm an atheist...and i still do good without expecting a heaven as reward in the end.

doing good without expecting reward is more noble in my eyes

thankyou

ummmm..... Toxy...... Christianity does not teach that being good earns you heaven for a reward.

In fact it teaches that none are righteous...no, not one.

It teaches that the only thing that can get you into heaven is what Jesus Christ did for you.

That is clearly written in Ephesians 2:8,9:

"FOR YOU ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST."

And just out of curiosity, have you ever done anything bad? Assuming that you will admit that yes, you have done something bad (just like the rest of us), does that mean you are no longer "good?" What percentage of bad vs good acts and thoughts makes a person "bad" or "good?"

Clubber Lang · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2006, 04:44:40 PM »

srry steller but what toxic wrote, s'tru

Butterbean · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2006, 04:51:57 PM »

Quote from: Clubber Lang on November 06, 2006, 04:44:40 PM

srry steller but what toxic wrote, s'tru

Do you think it's your nature to be good or bad? Or maybe a bit of both?

And if you as an atheist like Toxy said have it in your nature to be good, do you make the choice to be good like Toxy said atheists do? Do you sometimes make the choice to be bad?

Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on November 06, 2006, 04:06:12 PM

doing good without expecting reward is more noble in my eyes

In general I would agree w/this statement but it has nothing to do w/bible-believing Christians expecting to receive heaven as a reward for being good because we know that is an impossibility.

Salvation/heaven is a free gift from God and is impossible to "earn."

Clubber Lang · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2006, 04:58:39 PM »

without god there is not basis for good/bad

i agree with what toxic wrote in that god believing folks invariably believe in an afterlife or reincarnation which is pendant upon your beahaiour here, hanse their motivation in doing good boils down to self interest

whereas an athiest does it pretty much for the fuck of it

Bigger Business · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2006, 05:00:10 PM »

nobody ever did explain what an athiest is

Butterbean · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2006, 05:00:12 PM »

Quote from: Clubber Lang on November 06, 2006, 04:58:39 PM

i agree with what toxic wrote in that god believing folks invariably believe in an afterlife or reincarnation which is pendant upon your beahaiour here, hanse their motivation in doing good boils down to self interest

this absolutely may be true for some "religions"

Clubber Lang · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2006, 05:02:40 PM »

for which is it not?

just cause jesus unlocked the door doesnt mean youre getting in

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2006, 07:33:02 PM »

I definately agree with Toxic.

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2006, 09:18:29 PM »

Quote from: STella on November 06, 2006, 04:34:18 PM

ummmm..... Toxy...... Christianity does not teach that being good earns you heaven for a reward.

In fact it teaches that none are righteous...no, not one.

It teaches that the only thing that can get you into heaven is what Jesus Christ did for you.

That is clearly written in Ephesians 2:8,9:

"FOR YOU ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST."

And just out of curiosity, have you ever done anything bad? Assuming that you will admit that yes, you have done something bad (just like the rest of us), does that mean you are no longer "good?" What percentage of bad vs good acts and thoughts makes a person "bad" or "good?"

about 2ish months or so ago...i had a 19 yr old trying to suck my neck at my bar..i walked her home..but didn't go in...

i deserve a fackin standing ovation...

i'm mostly good...

PS...i mostly never get laid cause of it

n oh..Athiest = dont believe in god...i believe in quantum uncertanity as the basis of creation..string theory...

PS the above post...the first one..comes from a wilderian concept...google his essay ..fuck..its either Social of man under socialism or deprufindis..one of em..the basis of this thread is taken from something he said..so i give due credit...

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2006, 09:24:55 PM »

buy and watch this DVD..

i posted it on this board months ago...i got 1 relpy...now its gone from video google..

so you gotta buy it if you r to watch it

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Clubber Lang · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2006, 09:48:24 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on November 06, 2006, 09:18:29 PM

about 2ish months or so ago...i had a 19 yr old trying to avoid me at my bar..i followed her home..but didn't go in...

i deserve a fackin standing ovation...

i'm mostly good...

PS...i mostly never get laid cause of it

n oh..Athiest = dont believe in god...i believe in quantum uncertanity as the basis of creation..string theory...

PS the above post...the first one..comes from a wilderian concept...google his essay ..f**k..its either Social of man under socialism or deprufindis..one of em..the basis of this thread is taken from something he said..so i give due credit...

fixed

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2006, 12:33:05 AM »

ha ha ha

Butterbean · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2006, 05:56:10 AM »

Quote from: Clubber Lang on November 06, 2006, 04:58:39 PM

without god there is not basis for good/bad

Can you please explain how this helps your side and not mine? :$ <-----see what I tried to do there

Butterbean · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2006, 05:59:18 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on November 06, 2006, 09:18:29 PM

about 2ish months or so ago...i had a 19 yr old trying to suck my neck at my bar..i walked her home..but didn't go in...

i deserve a fackin standing ovation...

i'm mostly good...

PS...i mostly never get laid cause of it

n oh..Athiest = dont believe in god...i believe in quantum uncertanity as the basis of creation..string theory...

PS the above post...the first one..comes from a wilderian concept...google his essay ..f**k..its either Social of man under socialism or deprufindis..one of em..the basis of this thread is taken from something he said..so i give due credit...

What about the woman in your car? Would these two "acts" negate each other?

Clubber Lang · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2006, 07:26:10 AM »

Quote from: STella on November 07, 2006, 05:56:10 AM

Can you please explain how this helps your side and not mine? :$ <-----see what I tried to do there

i think its fairly straight forward that without heaven/hell there can be no morality, what would the point be ?

:devilsmiley:

Butterbean · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2006, 09:30:30 AM »

Quote from: Clubber Lang on November 07, 2006, 07:26:10 AM

i think its fairly straight forward that without heaven/hell there can be no morality, what would the point be ?

:devilsmiley:

wait, are you saying that you do believe in heaven and hell

:$

Clubber Lang · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2006, 10:32:32 AM »

nope, im saying that good/bad right/wrong are arbitrary and capricious

Butterbean · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2006, 11:25:35 AM »

Quote from: Clubber Lang on November 07, 2006, 10:32:32 AM

nope, im saying that good/bad right/wrong are arbitrary and capricious

OK Jackie

Clubber Lang · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2006, 11:53:33 AM »

actually that one was kramer when hes trying to keep his intern

youre slipping bro

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2006, 12:24:19 PM »

Quote from: Clubber Lang on November 06, 2006, 09:48:24 PM

fixed

lmao...

no..i wasm't coked up...

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2006, 12:26:38 PM »

Quote from: STella on November 07, 2006, 05:59:18 AM

What about the woman in your car? Would these two "acts" negate each other?

the woman in my car wanted me before she got drunk..

the 19 yr old ws piss drunk....had she been sober and wanted me..i'd have gone in...

sex between 2 adults is fine...as long as they agree to it sober...they can get drunk after...

Butterbean · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2006, 02:44:41 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on November 07, 2006, 12:26:38 PM

sex between 2 adults is fine...as long as they agree to it sober...they can get drunk after...

what if one is married?

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #23 on:** November 08, 2006, 05:27:27 PM »

Quote from: STella on November 07, 2006, 02:44:41 PM

what if one is married?

never porked a married chick intentionally..

did that question really neede to be asked stells $:-\$ ?

Butterbean · « **Reply #24 on:** November 09, 2006, 06:40:38 AM »

Sorry Toxy. I guess I'm just trying to understand if you decide if someone is considered "good" by them committing more "good" acts than the number of "bad."

So would you think the 2 acts negate each other or does the one not count because you were unaware of the full situation?

Also, each time you break the law (speeding, rolling through a stopsign, using illegal drugs etc), does that negate some of the good things you've done or not?

I do all of the above and I do them so often (except for the drugs part [now

]) that I KNOW that if they counted against me I'd be considered more bad than good. $:-\$