Whats That? Ronnie Way Bigger Than Dorian???

[pumpster]

lets put to bed this myth that the guy with the widest back and best V-taper is going to win because its a myth and nothing more , see Shawn Ray , see Flex Wheeler .

They had *no* width relative to Coleman. Insane, stupid point.

[Hulkster]

lets put to bed this myth that the guy with the widest back and best V-taper is going to win because its a myth and nothing more , see Shawn Ray , see Flex Wheeler .

lets put to bed the myth that ND has any idea of how bodybuilding is judged in practise.

for the 200th time, these are advantages that when combined WITH OTHERS help to win contests. they never won contests solely based on these isolated attribues ]

just ask Munzer if his striations won him anything. He will say no.

But ask Ronnie the same question, and its a different story because his striations (or lat width or whatever the attribute may be) is accompanied by many OTHER attributes that add up to create impressiveness.

You such a novice, superficial understanding of the judging system.

Hint: that judging document you keep posting is only one SMALL part of the story.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lets put to bed the myth that ND has any idea of how bodybuilding is judged in practise.

for the 200th time, these are advantages that when combined WITH OTHERS help to win contests. they never won contests solely based on these isolated attribues ]

just ask Munzer if his striations won him anything. He will say no.

But ask Ronnie the same question, and its a different story because his striations (or lat width or whatever the attribute may be) is accompanied by many OTHER attributes that add up to create impressiveness.

You such a novice, superficial understanding of the judging system.

Hint: that judging document you keep posting is only one SMALL part of the story.

Hint you don't know how bodybuilding contests are judged , you never knew the criteria until I posted them and you still continue to misquote them wrong I might add

And what the fuck do you know about judging? you think the guy with the best X-frame will be the winner and the guy with more ' lumpiness ' in his back lol you claim I'm a novice if thats the case you're a high functioning retard 

I've maintained all along Yates meets ALL of the bodybuilding requirements better than Ronnie NOT just some of them , and I never mentioned ' x-frame ' and ' lumpiness ' in the process or the absurd that Ronnie has better balance than Dorian lol or this gem Ronnie has more detail in his calves than Dorian lol

You know what? right I thought so. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

They had *no* width relative to Coleman. Insane, stupid point.

They had NO witdh relative to Coleman and still managed to beat him , Flex beat him eight times and he was never wider , never heavier , and never had a better taper . 

[Hulkster]

you think the guy with the best X-frame will be the winner and the guy with more ' lumpiness ' in his back lol

when have I EVER said that the guy with the best X frame will win or that the guy with more lumpiness in his back will automatically win?



just because you don't like the fact that Ronnie's back makes dorian look flat in the rear double bi or that Ronnie has a better taper does not make them any less advantagous onstage.

[pumpster]

They had NO witdh relative to Coleman and still managed to beat him , Flex beat him eight times and he was never wider , never heavier , and never had a better taper . 

But the width was a big plus, dumbass, stop trying to confuse the issue with winning.

The deliberate efforts to distort from this ND is incredible. So much for credibility.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie making dorian look flat:

yes, it is an advantage:

[Hulkster]

Not at his best, just as they couldn't beat Yates at his best, something you've conveniently left out surprise surprise.

The misinformation from this ND is incredible.

it wasn't even that he wasn't at his best, it was that he wasn't even filled out yet.

Ronnie in his mid 90's form looks SCRAWNY compared to his filled out 257 pound physique:

of course Flex beat him. Ronnie was in his infant stage:

[NarcissisticDeity]

when have I EVER said that the guy with the best X frame will win or that the guy with more lumpiness in his back will automatically win?



just because you don't like the fact that Ronnie's back makes dorian look flat in the rear double bi or that Ronnie has a better taper does not make them any less advantagous onstage.

You tried for pages to say these are advantages that Dorian doesn't have and given all of these ' advantages ' Ronnie would beat Dorian lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie making dorian look flat:

yes, it is an advantage:

says who? who says One Yates looks flat? and two this is an advantage? and your pathetic attempt at a comparison only proves your bias , is that Dorian at his best? let me try

" Oh look Dorian making Ronnie look flat and overdeveloped and weak " 

you fear Dorian at his best for a good reason , so did everyone else because they knew the contest was for second place.

[logical?]

Hint you don't know how bodybuilding contests are judged , you never knew the criteria until I posted them and you still continue to misquote them wrong I might add

And what the f**k do you know about judging? you think the guy with the best X-frame will be the winner and the guy with more ' lumpiness ' in his back lol you claim I'm a novice if thats the case you're a high functioning retard 

I've maintained all along Yates meets ALL of the bodybuilding requirements better than Ronnie NOT just some of them , and I never mentioned ' x-frame ' and ' lumpiness ' in the process or the absurd that Ronnie has better balance than Dorian lol or this gem Ronnie has more detail in his calves than Dorian lol

You know what? right I thought so. 

ND, when was the IFBB judging criteria written?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, when was the IFBB judging criteria written?

I'm not sure originally but its revised every year I think if need be with amendments such as the ' no gut ' edict that they never really implemented but I guess it was a tool to use at their discretion and to let people know don't flaunt your gut because if need be we can use it against you.

[logical?]

I'm not sure originally but its revised every year I think if need be with amendments such as the ' no gut ' edict that they never really implemented but I guess it was a tool to use at their discretion and to let people know don't flaunt your gut because if need be we can use it against you.

I see- so since the development of detailed striations and deep vascularity, we can assume that the judging criteria has progressed such that it hasn't overlooked them?

[pumpster]

says who? who says One Yates looks flat? and two this is an advantage? and your pathetic attempt at a comparison only proves your bias , is that Dorian at his best? let me try

" Oh look Dorian making Ronnie look flat and overdeveloped and weak " 

you fear Dorian at his best for a good reason , so did everyone else because they knew the contest was for second place.

ND now desperately comparing peak Yates to 2006 Ronnie. Sadly they're not far apart.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I see- so since the development of detailed striations and deep vascularity, we can assume that the judging criteria has progressed such that it hasn't overlooked them?

No they're covered under the umbrella of definition/conditioning but again striations and deep vasculairty aren't not an indication of overall conditioning see Ronnie 2004.

[logical?]

No they're covered under the umbrella of definition/conditioning but again striations and deep vasculairty aren't not an indication of overall conditioning see Ronnie 2004.

Yeah, what I mean is that we can assume that the criteria wasn't written before such things had happened- eg, 1940s, lol. So, they knew about it when they chose to exclude it, rather than excluding it because they didn't know about it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah, what I mean is that we can assume that the criteria wasn't written before such things had happened- eg, 1940s, lol. So, they knew about it when they chose to exclude it, rather than excluding it because they didn't know about it.

well the criteria is an accumulation and amendments are added as need be , the most muscular was added as a mandatory pose relatively recently .

[logical?]

well the criteria is an accumulation and amendments are added as need be , the most muscular was added as a mandatory pose relatively recently .

Cool. So why do you think they left out explicit mention of striations and vascularity?

[NeoSeminole]

Cool. So why do you think they left out explicit mention of striations and vascularity?

ND will probably just give you some lame excuse. What's funny is that when Gaspari displayed striated glutes for the first time, everyone hailed it as a benchmark of great conditioning. However, the Dorian nuthuggers compeletely ignore Ronnie's dominance in striations and separations from head to toe.

[Hulkster]

again striations and deep vasculairty aren't not an indication of overall conditioning see Ronnie 2004

I would disagree, and so would most people.

other than dorian, who did not display many striations, striations and deep vascularity ARE a good indicator of overall conditioning.

eg.

Compare ronnie 99 to his 2004 shape where he was holding much water:

[NarcissisticDeity]

I would disagree, and so would most people.

other than dorian, who did not display many striations, striations and deep vascularity ARE a good indicator of overall conditioning.

eg.

Compare ronnie 99 to his 2004 shape where he was holding much water:

You would disagree and like most people you're not well versed on competitive bodybuilding , where is he holding water? in his midsection , his quads , his back , his delts the fact you think Ronnie in 99 and 2004 are similarly conditioned proves my point of how little you know.

NO fat and SQ water are great indications of conditioning , Dorian's lower lats and erector spinae were covered in striation in a like Coleman's never , Dorian's interclostals and obliques same thing , his chest was covered in striations , again if you're haggling over more its just a complete joke seriously .

One thing Dorian NEVER had a problem with was conditioning he had the size of a superheavyweight and the conditioning of a lightweight its an extremely hard thing to do thats why you don't see it even to this day.

[Hulkster]

says who? who says One Yates looks flat? and two this is an advantage? and your pathetic attempt at a comparison only proves your bias , is that Dorian at his best? let me try

" Oh look Dorian making Ronnie look flat and overdeveloped and weak " 

you fear Dorian at his best for a good reason , so did everyone else because they knew the contest was for second place.

again, your babbling leaves out all sense of reality.

not dorian at his best?

no it wasn't.

but here is the catch:

Dorian at his best STILL had a flat looking back double bi. Better conditioned than 94 yes, but still just as flat.

It doesn't matter whether it was 1993, 1994 or 1997 it will still be flat:

[Hulkster]

notice: despite ND's claims to the contrary, Dorian's back at his "best" is just as flat as it was at his 'worst'

[Hulkster]

you think Ronnie in 99 and 2004 are similarly conditioned proves my point of how little you know.

are you an idiot?

the point of that post was to disprove your claim that ronnie in 2004 was out of shape despite having striations and vascularity.

He WAS NOT in good shape that year.

and his relative lack of deep striations proves it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

again, your babbling leaves out all sense of reality.

not dorian at his best?

no it wasn't.

but here is the catch:

Dorian at his best STILL had a flat looking back double bi. Better conditioned than 94 yes, but still just as flat.

It doesn't matter whether it was 1993, 1994 or 1997 it will still be flat:

Again who cares ? this is like you guys babbling over who is slightly wider it all means NOTHING he looks flat lol the greatest back ever and he looks flat lol Dorian crushes everyone from head to toe , forget taper , forget a smaller waist , forget higher peaked biceps its all filler , Dorian dominated because he was the biggest and best conditioned , the best balanced and the most complete.