ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!

[pumpster]

So both systems work.

It's a matter of personal preference.

As I already stated.

End. Discussion.

This fool just contradicted himself. Another one on the level of a 5-year old.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Wow pumpster. How profound.

I understand the comedy of 600+ page threads...

but do we really need another Dorian Vs. Ronnie?

There's really not much here.

It's played out.

[pumpster]

Wow pumpster. How profound.

I understand the comedy of 600+ page threads...

but do we really need another Dorian Vs. Ronnie?

There's really not much here.

It's played out.

Say it again in english, that was incoherent.

[realkarateblackbelt]

 

I'm stepping out of this one.

It's lame.

[davie]

I'm stepping out of this one.

It's lame.

Only wen u brought the standard down to ur level.

Its funny, that if arnold had been the only guy to ever use any sort of HIT workout, and had still had the same success then all the narrow minded haters would be loving it right now, and would be bad mouthing volume.lol.

so many people are glory hunting and jump on the bandwaggon that if arnold used it then it must be amazing. No1 thinks that he was genetically gifted, he could have probs wiped his ass and he would have grown those arms. Mentzer never did forearm work and had massive forearms, that doesnt mean that al HIT followers should also do no forearms work and expect the exact same results.



Its getting laughable peope coming on here and saying that HIT (and all variations) are for pussies, and that arnolds way and everything he did was the be all and end all.
If his way was 'thee way' then all other top bodybuilders of that time would have done the same. It seems actually that many of the top bodybuilders (tho maybe not guys that always came 1st) actually did use HIt style workouts!!

davie

[realkarateblackbelt]

Only wen u brought the standard down to ur level.

Its funny, that if arnold had been the only guy to ever use any sort of HIT workout, and had still had the same success then all the narrow minded haters would be loving it right now, and would be bad mouthing volume.lol.

so many people are glory hunting and jump on the bandwaggon that if arnold used it then it must be amazing. No1 thinks that he was genetically gifted, he could have probs wiped his ass and he would have grown those arms. Mentzer never did forearm work and had massive forearms, that doesnt mean that al HIT followers should also do no forearms work and expect the exact same results.



Its getting laughable peope coming on here and saying that HIT (and all variations) are for pussies, and that arnolds way and everything he did was the be all and end all.
If his way was 'thee way' then all other top bodybuilders of that time would have done the same. It seems actually that many of the top bodybuilders (tho maybe not guys that always came 1st) actually did use HIt style workouts!!

davie

oh brother. If, if, if....

If the pope had wings he could fly.

Arnold > Mentzer

[TheEgoCrusher]

the bolder part of your statement proves one thing to me.  You have no idea how to work hard at anything in life

LMAO! 

[davie]

oh brother. If, if, if....

If the pope had wings he could fly.

Arnold > Mentzer

I think i had 3 "if's" in there so dont so what ur getting at. It seems apparent that u are otherwise speachless when it comes to a intelligent response. So u r digressing from the topic.
This only goes to show that you donot know what ur really talking about.

IF you want to make descent contributions and b respected for ur opinions, then learn ur Sh*t 1st.

davie

[natural al]

the bolder part of your statement proves one thing to me.  You have no idea how to work hard at anything in life

LMAO! 

laugh all you want but you can't even define any aspect of hit except to say "it's one set" you don't know jack, bottom line.

[davie]

Do u ever feel that in an attempt to have a healthy debate or discussion about trainnig methods and there differences and benifits to the body, that u end up just banging ur head against a brick wall, wen trying to talk to people who obviously have their heads buried in the sand??!!

davie

[natural al]

Do u ever feel that in an attempt to have a healthy debate or discussion about trainnig methods and there differences and benifits to the body, that u end up just banging ur head against a brick wall, wen trying to talk to people who obviously have their heads buried in the sand??!!

davie

I can take people geing close minded that's not an issue for me.  What I dont' like is people who act like they have any idea what they are talking about and they're experts on this and experts on that but they can't say one word about anything when they are asked.  Yeah, yeah...HIT is for pussies..well what is HIT?  You get nothing from them except that they workout hard.  Theyr'e probably using alot of HIT principles and don't even know it cause they've never taken the time to educate themselvels.  Look at all the 60 sets per bodypart stuff that DW posts, I've never, ever gone into one of his threads and flat out said his system won't work but here you have some clowns jsut coming in saying everything that falls unde the umbrella that is HIT is garbage.

It's laughable how stupid people are sometimes.

[davie]

I can take people geing close minded that's not an issue for me.  What I dont' like is people who act like they have any idea what they are talking about and they're experts on this and experts on that but they can't say one word about anything when they are asked.  Yeah, yeah...HIT is for pussies..well what is HIT?  You get nothing from them except that they workout hard.  Theyr'e probably using alot of HIT principles and don't even know it cause they've never taken the time to educate themselvels.  Look at all the 60 sets per bodypart stuff that DW posts, I've never, ever gone into one of his threads and flat out said his system won't work but here you have some clowns jsut coming in saying everything that falls unde the umbrella that is HIT is garbage.

It's laughable how stupid people are sometimes.

Agreed!!

I am not a fan of those who are completely closed of to other ideas about a asubject. It is also annoying that b/c alot of these guys like arnold who loved mega volume, then they think its obvious that volume is the way to go. The same people that think that if 15 sets doesnt work then they better do 20 b/c that means there working harder and harder.

Wen in fact there only workign longer and longer, with increased chance of injury, and CNS taxing.

davie

[realkarateblackbelt]

I want to appologise for being an ass.

I was talking to some bodybuilders today and they all seem to think HIT is really good.

[pumpster]

I want to appologise for being an ass.

I was talking to some bodybuilders today and they all seem to think HIT is really good.

The biggest issue with HIT or ANY good program is not whether it will work but rather whether it appeals to do on a daily basis. Lots of guys prefer some degree of standard training; it doesn't necessarily work any better and takes a little more time but is a preferred way of training. There are many ways to build muscle.

[Bluto]

I want to appologise for being an ass.

I was talking to some bodybuilders today and they all seem to think HIT is really good.

oh ok 

[realkarateblackbelt]

My concern with it is...

depending on what type of sport you're training for, it might not be a good idea. If you're a boxer, I don't think it would be a good idea to train so slow. If you believe in "muscle memory" it seems like it would be counterproductive.

The guy I was talking to said HIT would be perfectly alright for boxing because he claimes reflexes and speed are something you're born with. For example, once you master the technique of the punch, you can perform it at any speed you're able whether you train HIT or not.

I'm not sure what is right.

[natural al]

My concern with it is...

depending on what type of sport you're training for, it might not be a good idea. If you're a boxer, I don't think it would be a good idea to train so slow. If you believe in "muscle memory" it seems like it would be counterproductive.

The guy I was talking to said HIT would be perfectly alright for boxing because he claimes reflexes and speed are something you're born with. For example, once you master the technique of the punch, you can perform it at any speed you're able whether you train HIT or not.

I'm not sure what is right.

usually when I talk about training I'm not talking sports specific training as I have not done most of that kind of stuff or researched it to a point where I feel I can speak about it.

When you talk about sports specific training you're talking about a whole nother ball game,

[davie]

usually when I talk about training I'm not talking sports specific training as I have not done most of that kind of stuff or researched it to a point where I feel I can speak about it.

When you talk about sports specific training you're talking about a whole nother ball game,

I think HIT style workouts could be used as sports specific. I dont think they have to be just for bodybuilders.

realkarateblackbelt, no hard feelings on disagreements (tho nothing bad was said by either party)?! You wer right in saying that volume worked and that it was good program, im just glad that u now achknowledge that HIT can work aswell!

You could mayb try it for 6 weeks.

davie

[adadrian]

Ha, I used to get quite sick training volume like every 3 months I'd get a cold, doing hit I never get sick I was over training so much doing volume

[d0nny2600]

Pumpster is one of the most knowledgable posters here. He's a true bodybuilder and doesn't just come here to just fuck around like most of the guys here on G&O.

[DK II]

 

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