new MILOS SARCEV training pics...

[Milos_Sarcev]

 

it was meant as a serious reply milos and i would say that a higher number of straight sets would give better results than over use of giant sets and drop sets. sure doing a giant set of 5 biceps exercises will cause tremendous burn and lactic acid build and will be painful but the weights will drop so drastically that it would be better just to do straight sets of barbell curl. sure, barbell curls dont sound as "cool" as triple drop giant set of 5 biceps excercsis, but loading will be far superior combined with far less cns fatigue. overuse of intensity techniques such as you use (if used on regular basis) will act a bottlneck for muscle stimulation because cns fatigue will act as a limiting factor.

 

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Dorian was the king of high intensity training techniques, and went on record several times stating how careful one must be when employing such techniques, reason being the toll on the central nervous system. Once it shuts down, it shuts down, period! It will take you a fair amount of time on cooling down your training for a few weeks to recuperate the cns. Having said that and being Milos the knowledgeable guy that he is, i'm willing to say that he does not train that way 100% OF THE TIME. I'm very sure he periodizes ( i hate this term !!) his training in such a way that for an amount of time he employs straight sets with no intensifiers. This way not just you save the cns from wear and tear, but also you add a lot of variety in training styles, preventing the muscles to become accostumed. NO ONE can train 100% of the time using the high intensity techniques without backfiring the training progress because of cns stress, and i don't care who you are. You still are a human being , subjected to the same biological laws applied to every person.

[Mr. Intenseone]

i totally agree with this, if Milos's techniques work so well why are his arms so undersized compared to the other guys?

And the dumb just keep getting dumber!!

[slaveboy1980]

the mighty roll their eyes (is the poor slaves question beneath you?) and cant discuss a serious question. milos you have said on many occasions you want serious questions and not the usual bull, but when a serious question is asked you wont reply? can it be that your workouts are pseudo science facilitated by super honey?

[slaveboy1980]

And the dumb just keep getting dumber!!

atleast he is asking questions opposed to you. sometimes questions are more important than answers because they make you think. without questions the doors to knowledge cant be opened. sure you still have to go thru the door to seek knowledge but first of all the door has to be opened before that can happen!

[BEAST 8692]

atleast he is asking questions opposed to you. sometimes questions are more important than answers because they make you think. without questions the doors to knowledge cant be opened. sure you still have to go thru the door to seek knowledge but first of all the door has to be opened before that can happen!

i agree and milos is only showing his arrogance here.

before anyone accuses me of hating, take the time to look through the thread and you will see that i have showed plenty of respect to milos.

there is nothing wrong with asking q's no matte how stupid another might see them.

anyone that knows anything about muscle building knows that it's not an exact science.

the simple truth is that nobody (including milos) knows exactly what type of training will produce muscle growth every time.

if milos simply ignored such q's i can respect that because training advice is his business and it has a price tag. however, i have noticed that if anyone disagrees with his advice milos often will come on ridicule the poster and present an arrogant attitude.

milos, drop sets, giant sets, super slow, etc is NOTHING new. you certainly didn't invent the principles so pull your head in and bring that giant set ego down a few thousand decibels.

btw, hint: if you're going to put pics of yourself training on the internet people are going to critique. nothing new here. welcome to human nature 101.

[Bluto]

i dont doubt that going super slow is a pain in the ass, but so is running naked in the snow... at the end of they day the question is, is it worth it? does going super slow build more mass or strength or both and does running naked in the snow make improve your cardio more than running with your clothes on

[slaveboy1980]

i dont doubt that going super slow is a pain in the ass, but so is running naked in the snow... at the end of they day the question is, is it worth it? does going super slow build more mass or strength or both and does running naked in the snow make improve your cardio more than running with your clothes on

well we have to separate some things...another person said that super slow movements lowers chance of injury.i can understand the logic in thinking that as your forced to use lower weights and not using ballistic movements.. etc.. but,

 at same time i think "unnaturaly" slow movements can make some exercises more dangerous..take for example deadlifts if you try to lower weight to slow its more dangerous than to lower with "normal" speed. another aspect is that too strict and too slow movements can actually shift focus from the intended muscle group to another and will limit the weights to a high degree thus preventing intended muscle stimulation. example: ever seen the guys and girls that do 15lbs db curls extremely slow? they usually look like sticks.

i think "normal" rep cadence is best most of the time: not to fast and not to slow. also on some exercsise some cheating can actually be of benefit..for example on db curls..slight cheating motion is ok..not to much of course. but when doing squats cheating is not ok..etc.

the other aspect: intensity techniques such as giant set and drop set i discussed earlier.

[BEAST 8692]

well we have to separate some things...another person said that super slow movements lowers chance of injury.i can understand the logic in thinking that as your forced to use lower weights and not using ballistic movements.. etc.. but,

 at same time i think "unnaturaly" slow movements can make some exercises more dangerous..take for example deadlifts if you try to lower weight to slow its more dangerous than to lower with "normal" speed. another aspect is that too strict and too slow movements can actually shift focus from the intended muscle group to another and will limit the weights to a high degree thus preventing intended muscle stimulation. example: ever seen the guys and girls that do 15lbs db curls extremely slow? they usually look like sticks.

i think "normal" rep cadence is best most of the time: not to fast and not to slow. also on some exercsise some cheating can actually be of benefit..for example on db curls..slight cheating motion is ok..not to much of course. but when doing squats cheating is not ok..etc.

the other aspect: intensity techniques such as giant set and drop set i discussed earlier.

agreed.

i could get the strongest person in the world reach failure curling a 10 lb d.b for 1 rep if he curls it slow enough.

it would be interesting to here milos try to explain just how slow the movement is and why ie 'i take 10 seconds with the eccentric portion of the rep.'

'but why not 11, 12 or 30 seconds milos?'

'ummm...'

'what the hell, why not do 30 minutes on the concentric and...'

'SHUT UP... '

[ether]

it was meant as a serious reply milos and i would say that a higher number of straight sets would give better results than over use of giant sets and drop sets. sure doing a giant set of 5 biceps exercises will cause tremendous burn and lactic acid build and will be painful but the weights will drop so drastically that it would be better just to do straight sets of barbell curl. sure, barbell curls dont sound as "cool" as triple drop giant set of 5 biceps excercsis, but loading will be far superior combined with far less cns fatigue. overuse of intensity techniques such as you use (if used on regular basis) will act a bottlneck for muscle stimulation because cns fatigue will act as a limiting factor.

Milos arm training techniques are not to be questioned!

[Bluto]

why not do explosive movements

[nukkaready]

if you have world class genetics ( as all pros do ) and you are hormonized to the MAX ( as all pros are ) you will grow on any training program. It really doesn;t matter much how you train at that level.

[Bear]

atleast he is asking questions opposed to you. sometimes questions are more important than answers because they make you think. without questions the doors to knowledge cant be opened. sure you still have to go thru the door to seek knowledge but first of all the door has to be opened before that can happen!

Haha, you talk like a 15 year old or something.

[Board_SHERIF]

if you have world class genetics ( as all pros do ) and you are hormonized to the MAX ( as all pros are ) you will grow on any training program. It really doesn;t matter much how you train at that level.

Tom Prince had these world class genetics 

[MisterMagoo]

i think "normal" rep cadence is best most of the time: not to fast and not to slow. also on some exercsise some cheating can actually be of benefit..for example on db curls..slight cheating motion is ok..not to much of course. but when doing squats cheating is not ok..etc.

but that's the question: where is that line? what's "normal"? one second up and down? two? one and a half? one second or so on the negative but as fast as you can go on the positive without cheating? you keep using these vague terms like "not too much" or "not too fast" but offer no way of defining them. you used deadlifts as an example of why going slow is bad but then acknowledge that curls and squats are different, so why are deadlifts an effective counterexample?

and you still haven't shown us any evidence why we should pay attention to you. you apparently have the art of bodybuilding mastered, why don't you show us where it's gotten you?

[War-Horse]

Hmmm Interesting.    Someone mentioned the central nervous system in training.     They are exactly right.  Most pro's or big natty's like me will hit it super hard for maybe a week or so, then go medium intensity and a low intensity for a week....then back to high and so on.

Thats why most guys cant tell you what exercises they may do for a chest workout or any part....cuz its in the air till they hit the gym and see what "Feels right".   Ive stayed on the pec dek and done triple drop sets for ten sets....and made hardcore training partners wanna puke.

Other days its 10 exercises of 3 sets as many reps as you can get.

Its mostly genetics.  One of my freinds is samoan with 22" arms and trains as hard as i sleep....shit he just yawns....does a set of 405 benches and leaves to go take a nap. lol.

[knny187]

Pictures prove....


lifting with shitty form = pro bodybuilding




Time to change my training strategy

[brianX]

Milos arm training techniques are not to be questioned!

hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

[BBody81]

Hey Milos.  Just wanted to say you still look great.  I saw you at the Excalibur, the begining of December, where I competed.  I was impressed the size you still hold.  Your workouts look and sound brutal.  I live about 3 hours away.  If your going to invite these little punks on here to workout with you at your gym, I was wondering if Im ever in the area, if I could let you kick my ass and let me workout with you guys.  I guarantee I would give 110%.  It would be an honor.  I also guarantee Im not a skinny little geek like 80% of the people who post on here.  I am an aspiring natural bodybuilder who competed in his first show this year.  Thank you.

[The Squadfather]

Hey Milos.  Just wanted to say you still look great.  I saw you at the Excalibur, the begining of December, where I competed.  I was impressed the size you still hold.  Your workouts look and sound brutal.  I live about 3 hours away.  If your going to invite these little punks on here to workout with you at your gym, I was wondering if Im ever in the area, if I could let you kick my ass and let me workout with you guys.  I guarantee I would give 110%.  It would be an honor.  I also guarantee Im not a skinny little geek like 80% of the people who post on here.  I am an aspiring natural bodybuilder who competed in his first show this year.  Thank you.

hahahahaha, i'm sure you're a monster, "bbody81".

[njflex]

hahahahaha, i'm sure you're a monster, "bbody81".

he did set himself up for that one,be nice maybe he's the real deal.

[Van_Bilderass]

Somewhat unrelated to this thread but...

It'll be interesting to see if Milos will be able to unseat that Asian official whom he accused of fixing shows. Or if Milos will be banned or forced to apologize etc instead.

[TheEgoCrusher]

Milos was subject to jail time.

His affect on bodybuilding is NOT a good thing.  You idiots on here who've talked about the "good" he's done for bodybuilding are fools.

Explain this "good" to me?  Breaking down drug-scemes/schedules with people?  Yeah...what a savior.

The guy is a modern-day apothacary.  Why any of you respect this "guru" is beyond me.

[njflex]

fan of his physique 1st,how it got their and now is not for me to judge.savoir no but to people who need the guidance and method's to get their, he is the man to get them to their bbing goal's.

[Milos_Sarcev]

#1) For few that don't realize - I do have a job...and not much time to answer every question that I am asked...

#2) My answers to just about ANY training, dieting, supplementation... questions are already posted on my board (certainly - many will conclude that they simply don't want to join my FREE board but still they would request and expect the answers from me - forgeting that "being nice" could be a slightly better choice ...for getting their questions answered...
I am secure enough NOT to be bothered by ANY comments - as I know who I am and what I stand for...so NO - I do not feel obligated to answer EVERY QUESTION that I am being asked - especially when I see that exact person who is demanding the answer is MORE than disrespectful...(to me and/or others)...

#3) It is pointless for me to go into discussion when someone ONLY ASSUMES thing (or two) about my training techniques, protocols, methods...If I will need to explain myself - I will have to spend hours - HOURS that I don't have...

#4) My challenges to little insecure ego's on this board (and we all know who they are) are for a reason...When they grow up they usually realize - AND MORE THAN LIKELY  (as it happened already so many times) - they will eventually write me an E-mail (or a PM) admitting that they were exactly insecure and few other things...
I commend them for that...and I am happy for them (at the same time - I am glad that I did make a difference)

#5) Training photos of me and many of my athletes are doing wonders to many people around the world - as I am getting constant feedback from numerous people who find those photos (and routines) quite inspirational...
For THEM - I keep taking photos and posting them on MY board (quite the job that takes TIME...but time spent for people that at least find something POSITIVE rather than many "getbigers" who only look for NEGATIVITY, meltdowns, criticism, hate...etc)

#6) My responses are usually to 'experts" who only see the amount of "brutal" weight that I (or my partners) are lifting...and explanations that weight used might be DUE TO some advanced technique used (giant set, drop set...or whatever else) - thus explaining the "weakness"...For those "inflated egos" I am always ready to issue the challenges - and they all know where they can find me..

#7) - this is taking too much time...(I just finished just about craziest quad workout and I am not feeling too good...but feel "obligated" to respond to my true fans that love me so much...off course here on board...Calling me criminal, arrogant, no good, oil reservoir...and other lovely things...Oh well - they play "tough" but we all know that they love me...and who can blame them for that?)

#8) I think I am about finished...Oh yeah - AS FAR AS ASIAN OFFICIAL - yes - I am under the investigation by the IFBB by making some claims during the bodybuilding event in Doha, Qatar - during the Asian games...
Gentleman's name is Mr. Paul Chua and he is unquestionably guilty of fixing the shows in Asia for many years...
While I cannot talk about OTHER SHOWS - I certainly can talk about Doha and 2006 Asian games which I attended and witnessed it with my own eyes.
While subjectivity is KNOWN FACT in bodybuilding - it is distinclively different than bluntly FIXING the shows...
Now - I am working on PROVING MY CLAIMS and as soon as I do - Mr. Chua will be removed from his position...
To say it simply: If Mr. Chua wants Micky Mouse to beat Jay Cuttler in 2007 Mr. Olympia and he announces to the world that Micky is going to win...and that actually happens - I HOPE FEW PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY...
I still believe that IFBB would NOT STAND for something like that - and that is WHY I am pursuing that issue as well...
BTW - numerous photos of that "FIXED" showare on my board...

#9) Just to comment: I was subject to jail time - as much as I was subject to Nobel Prize honors...or maybe Oscar's?

#10) I love you too... - and I mean that...Really!