Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran

[Camel Jockey]

Wow... you seem to get dumber with every statement.

I am a zionist in that I believe Jews return to Israel is Gods plan.  But I am also a conservative who understands that Israels right to exist has nothing to do with a religious return by all jews.  I am technically 1/2 but my mother converted when she married.

Funny when how some Ethiopians tried to relocate to Israel in the 50's they were treated like shit, and still are probably till this day.

I stand by my statement of Israel milking the Holocaust to get what they want. Iran hasn't done shit, but made empty threats. They've tried diplomacy and the US and Israel have rejected that. Israel is the one who hasn't signed the UN Nuclear proliferation treaty and they're the one's making threats about nuclear strikes on basis that they don't a second Holocaust.  

What do you want Iran to do? Stop their enrichment program? That's pretty arrogant because you're telling them they can't advance their nation and better the lives of their people. You're taking the comments so seriously, seriously enough to consider all out war.

Tell me, has Iran made threats to attack Israel or the US? Haven't they tried diplomacy numerous times?

[Hedgehog]

Most of the world is headed towards either a newer form of socialism or radical islam.  Isreal should never have to depend on an increasingly hostile world to say if it is "okay" to defend itself or attack a country that, if able, would attempt to destroy it.  now I'm not saying ISR should attack Iran tomorrow but if Iran continues down the road they're on we might see that happen.

We are in Iraq for our interests and the interests of stability in the region.  If other EU countries don't want to play for the same reason France doesn't.. so be it.  They don't make decisions based on the best interest of our country so why should we be beholden to them?  f**k em... do what we need to.

Your analysis of the global political situation is IMO incorrect.

There is more democracy today in the world than 30 years ago, or 20 years ago.

The problem is when we in the Western Civilization fails to deal with the Muslim world, and uses imperialistic approaches, perhaps out of old habit, instead of using diplomacy.

The Western Civilization have great relations with Saudi Arabia, despite them being Muslim Extremists, wahabbism being the islamic form used there. Why is that?

Could it be that the Western Civilization has always been forced to use diplomacy, because Saudi Arabia has such tremendous wealth?

Despite Saudi Arabia being Muslim extremists, they're still allies of the USA, and especially of the Bush family. 

Slowly, women's rights are making progress in Saudi Arabia as well, BTW. A country where women have no right to vote, and other medieval traditions.




One more thing. Countries all around the world have nuclear plants. Why shouldn't Iran be allowed to have nuclear power?

The day you shut down all the nuclear plants in UK, in USA, in Sweden and the rest of the world, then I can definitely support sanctions against countries developing nuclear energy plants.

My suggestion would be to send European and US nuclear scientists to Iran and help them. Also, EU and USA should offer help in designing and building the power plants.

-Hedge

[Brixtonbulldog]

Yea, but not quite, more like if Iraq had nukes and said before they go down, they'll launch against everyone. Israel was talking about lauching against every European capital before they go down... That's terrorism, it says, you have one foreign policy choice, side with Israel because the alternative it death to everyone...  I don't give that much of a crap about the arabs or about Iran.  I can't describe myself as pro-arab, those guys do not represent what I consider to be good but Israel is definitely not peachy clean either they've done an amazing amount of underhanded crap in order to meet their goals...


The war game

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.'
 
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1046411,00.html

We've had military leaders say stupid things and yet everyone knows we're not gonna commit to anything like that.  It's just a comment made to demonstrate capability.  You're taking something seriously because you're too dumb to realize it's only a hypothetical.  Not only that, even the united states has strategies and battle plans for taking out countries we consider our allies.  But that's all they are.  And they're there to ensure we prepared for anything.  It's even more understandable for them since most of europe doesn't support israel and has regularly demonstrated a contempt for it.

But as long as we want to take everything too seriously why aren't you throwing a fit over the hundreds of far worse things that are said by iranian leaders, north korean leaders, and the like every year?  Especially since they are also nuclear powers and ARE NOT allies.

I can't wait for THIS answer...

[Brixtonbulldog]

i would have loved to see you talk this shit in Berlin in 1936.

who cares

[Camel Jockey]

Because Israel has a right to exist and it has nothing to do with the bible.

So Palestinians should be subject to apartheid in their own land just because some eastern europeans felt bad after WWII?

[Hugo Chavez]

Care to explain your hypocrisy yet?  I know... no one wants to be called a liberal.

I don't mind, I'm a liberal and Hugo Chavez is my father Care to explain your stupidity yet Fargin ass, how am I a hypocrite

[Camel Jockey]

But as long as we want to take everything too seriously why aren't you throwing a fit over the hundreds of far worse things that are said by iranian leaders, north korean leaders, and the like every year?  Especially since they are also nuclear powers and ARE NOT allies.

I can't wait for THIS answer...

Well, I guess because serious shit said by US leaders has been followed by things like the Iraq war and might lead to a third front in the so called "war on terror."

Iran's loony prez calling for the destruction of Israel was nothing more than propaganda.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Funny when how some Ethiopians tried to relocate to Israel in the 50's they were treated like shit, and still are probably till this day.

I stand by my statement of Israel milking the Holocaust to get what they want. Iran hasn't done shit, but made empty threats. They've tried diplomacy and the US and Israel have rejected that. Israel is the one who hasn't signed the UN Nuclear proliferation treaty and they're the one's making threats about nuclear strikes on basis that they don't a second Holocaust. 

So the PL's, Iran, Syria, Hezbullah, and almost every other nation in the region hasn't been threatening Israel?  I don't see any of them trying anywhere near the diplomacy Israel has been. 

What do you want Iran to do? Stop their enrichment program? That's pretty arrogant because you're telling them they can't advance their nation and better the lives of their people. You're taking the comments so seriously, seriously enough to consider all out war.

Based on the demonstrated intensions of thier leaders, hell no we shouldn't let them enrich uranium. 

Tell me, has Iran made threats to attack Israel or the US? Haven't they tried diplomacy numerous times?

So where have you been for the last 20 years?  They threaten all the time.  No they haven't tried diplomacy numerous time.  They never put anything remotely reasonable on the table and they reject EVERY idea from our side.

[Hedgehog]

Zionism and the state of Israel have already happened.
Since Israel already exists the only way to remove Zionism is the destruction of Israel and the elimination of millions of Jews. That would turn out to be another holocaust and no Jew would allow this.

The only way to solve the impasse is to work towards as 2 state solution like the UN and the group of 5 have suggested. Many Muslim nations support this, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and even Saudi Arabia.
If hard liners in Saudi Arabia can agree with a two state solution, why can't Syria, Lebanon, Hamas and their backer Iran support the two state solution.

Once Hamas recognizes Israel and moves towards a 2 state solution then the whole world would be better off.

You have to move away from your hate and work towards solutions.

a_joker, I agree with your assessment regarding the 2 state solution.

I think it's fair to ask Hamas to recognize Israel. But I also think it's fair to ask Israel to recognize Palestine. What do you think?

My main problem with the current plan of 2 states, is that it's not a 50/50 split. That is the only way it could be done.

A very fair question also, is why the Palestinians who lives in Palestine/Israel, have no right to vote?

Since they are such a big part of the population in Palestine/Israel, it is only fair that they are represented in the Knesset, the parliament of Israel.

-Hedge

[Brixtonbulldog]

Your analysis of the global political situation is IMO incorrect.

There is more democracy today in the world than 30 years ago, or 20 years ago.

The problem is when we in the Western Civilization fails to deal with the Muslim world, and uses imperialistic approaches, perhaps out of old habit, instead of using diplomacy.

Most of that part of the world are difficult, almost impossible to deal with.  Especially based on a history of disregarding the "rules" the world wants them to play by.

The Western Civilization have great relations with Saudi Arabia, despite them being Muslim Extremists, wahabbism being the islamic form used there. Why is that?

Money, oil, and maybe the fact that without those two Saudi Arabia is completely desolate.

Could it be that the Western Civilization has always been forced to use diplomacy, because Saudi Arabia has such tremendous wealth?

Despite Saudi Arabia being Muslim extremists, they're still allies of the USA, and especially of the Bush family. 

Slowly, women's rights are making progress in Saudi Arabia as well, BTW. A country where women have no right to vote, and other medieval traditions.


Yeah I know right.  They still throw women off of towers for disgracing thier family at the dinner table.  But they were "asked" not to practice this right outside of our military bases.

One more thing. Countries all around the world have nuclear plants. Why shouldn't Iran be allowed to have nuclear power?

Because Iran is a radical Islamic country and it's history should speak for it's intensions.

The day you shut down all the nuclear plants in UK, in USA, in Sweden and the rest of the world, then I can definitely support sanctions against countries developing nuclear energy plants.

My suggestion would be to send European and US nuclear scientists to Iran and help them. Also, EU and USA should offer help in designing and building the power plants.

-Hedge

[Brixtonbulldog]

So Palestinians should be subject to apartheid in their own land just because some eastern europeans felt bad after WWII?

Palastinians should make a REAL effort to stop the daily murder of Israeli civilians.  They should actually accept a deal presented by the Israelis/US/GB and actually stick to it.  And they should stop protecting Hamas and other terrorist leaders.

[Hugo Chavez]

We've had military leaders say stupid things and yet everyone knows we're not gonna commit to anything like that.  

WHOA RIGHT THERE BUCK ROGERS no we don't know you're not going to do anything like that.  There are probably thousands of crazy zionist statements like this, I've come across many many statement that dropped my jaw. proponents of Zionism are nuts, loony, kookoo kookoo...  And how can you come off chalking this crap up to just a stupid comment not meant but expect full believe to be applied to Achmenianijad's statements.  Take your word for it?  ahahahahha... I learned my lesson long ago on that... No more handshake deals with you guys   Also, good to see you said "we've had" duel loyalties Would you spy on America if Israel asks?

[ToxicAvenger]

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

[Brixtonbulldog]

I don't mind, I'm a liberal and Hugo Chavez is my father Care to explain your stupidity yet Fargin ass, how am I a hypocrite

You condemn Israel for one officials comment when multiple leaders and officials of radical islamic countries have been saying and even practicing said policies for many many years.  Yeah.. you're a hypocrit.

And apparently you're a liberal that argues like a 10 years old girl.

[G o a t b o y]

Dude, I'm racist, my friends are racist... I'm no where near a PC type.  But if you're gonna take an anti-israel position on here with the shit you have on your avatar then don't go wondering why anything might think you're a nazi.

Who said I was anti-Israel?  Sure, if this were 1947, I would be 100% on the side of the Palestinians.  The European Jews had absolutely no right to come in and take over and steal the land.  However, it's not 1947 now, and the reality of the situation is most of the Israelis currently living in Israel were born there, and have every right to their land and country, as they had nothing to do with the original takeover.  Likewise, most of the Palestinians currently living there were born after the formation of Israel, and had nothing stolen from them personally.  Most of the perpetrators and most of the victims are long dead.

Although both sides in the current situation can be pretty unreasonable at times, Israel on balance tends to act far more responsibly than the Islamic states.

And since you used to have 14/88 on here knowing full well almost no one knew what it meant, I think you're probably pretty far into the scene to claim you're not racist.  Am I right?

No, you're not right.



Hope this helps!

[Camel Jockey]

Palastinians should make a REAL effort to stop the daily murder of Israeli civilians.  They should actually accept a deal presented by the Israelis/US/GB and actually stick to it.  And they should stop protecting Hamas and other terrorist leaders.

I agree with you on that the Palestinians have indeed failed to stick to any plan that's been thrown at them. But why? Maybe because they are having their lands confiscated and having their homes bulldozed? Israel is no saint.

[Hugo Chavez]

You condemn Israel for one officials comment when multiple leaders and officials of radical islamic countries have been saying and even practicing said policies for many many years.  Yeah.. you're a hypocrit.

And apparently you're a liberal that argues like a 10 years old girl.

And you're a liar... I am not aware of one arab country that has said it will destroy the world before they go down... Quotes please

[The Squadfather]

if "brixton bulldog" talked the shit he does on here in my neck of the woods lets just say he'd have some problems with men in white hoods.

[Brixtonbulldog]

WHOA RIGHT THERE BUCK ROGERS no we don't know you're not going to do anything like that.  There are probably thousands of crazy zionist statements like this, I've come across many many statement that dropped my jaw. proponents of Zionism are nuts, loony, kookoo kookoo...  And how can you come off chalking this crap up to just a stupid comment not meant but expect full believe to be applied to Achmenianijad's statements.  Take your word for it?  ahahahahha... I learned my lesson long ago on that... No more handshake deals with you guys   Also, good to see you said "we've had" duel loyalties Would you spy on America if Israel asks?

I would never spy on my own country.  I'm American, not Israeli.

The difference is that Israel has never actually committed any aggression unless provoked and even then it was an obvious targeted response to something done against it.

Yet arab nations in that part of the world have been supporting terrorism, developing weapons (and using them in Saddams case), murdering  and torturing civilians and committing countless other crimes and where's the outcry from people like yourselves....

.. nowhere.

for some reason when it comes to israel people think it's okay to throw objectivity out the window and just hate instead

[Brixtonbulldog]

Who said I was anti-Israel?  Sure, if this were 1947, I would be 100% on the side of the Palestinians.  The European Jews had absolutely no right to come in and take over and steal the land.  However, it's not 1947 now, and the reality of the situation is most of the Israelis currently living in Israel were born there, and have every right to their land and country, as they had nothing to do with the original takeover.  Likewise, most of the Palestinians currently living there were born after the formation of Israel, and had nothing stolen from them personally.  Most of the perpetrators and most of the victims are long dead.

you wrong about the formation and who was right on that one too but we can come back to that.  I agree it's a non issue at this point.

Although both sides in the current situation can be pretty unreasonable at times, Israel on balance tends to act far more responsibly than the Islamic states.

No, you're not right.

I guess I'll take your word for it.

Hope this helps!

[Hugo Chavez]

I would never spy on my own country.  I'm American, not Israeli.

Why did you we "We've had" 

[Hugo Chavez]

Brixton, stop replying in the quotes, it's a pain to reply to your words when you do that.  Just seperate the quotes and reply.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I agree with you on that the Palestinians have indeed failed to stick to any plan that's been thrown at them. But why? Maybe because they are having their lands confiscated and having their homes bulldozed? Israel is no saint.

Please, Israels most over used technique of diplomacy is GIVING AWAY THIER LAND!!!  The PL's continually reject that as well.  And the bulldozing was used to destroy places as known sanctuarys of terrorists and strategist postions critical for separating israeli civilians and PL's.

[Hugo Chavez]

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

those guys just got a death threat.  I didn't know about them until the video death threat from some Israeli Army guys was sent in to them.

[Brixtonbulldog]

if "brixton bulldog" talked the shit he does on here in my neck of the woods lets just say he'd have some problems with men in white hoods.

Berserker, you called me a redneck?  haha