Black people 'should get over' slavery? Comment stuns lawmakers in Virginia

[Cavalier22]

Jag

Aren't you Canadian? 

This has strayed from the topic.  I hope we can all agree reperations will, and should, never happen.  Also, slavery happened and theres nothing we can do about it now. Very few americans had ancestors who had anything to do with perpetrating slavery, in any event.

[Cap]

You go Jag!

show me one race where their past isn't having a direct effect on their present life.
Look at the Kennedy family for example.  Good or bad, your past helps shape your life.

The GI bill, really?  What happens to the money if you get killed while serving your country?
The media doesn't have screaming headlines about how military personnel come home to find lousy benefits.
Going to the VA for medical help is a joke.  Coming home and finding your family homeless due to not being able to pay rent.  Having to rely on Public assistance.

And using a GF/baby as an excuse for not joining the military is weak.  Either you man up and join or you don't.
There are people in the military serving with circumstances that are the same as yours or worse.

Sandra

Do you know about my relationship, no.  Do I want my gf to leave me? No so STFU.  GI Bill and signing bonuses are a great incentive.  If you die, you died willing.  There is no draft.  It's sad that the US gov't pays for these assholes to be trained, live, etc and they still bitch about it being a race issue.  Their asses would be out on the street if it werent for the military.  Or here's a thought, don't fuck young, drop out of school and have to make these decisions.  Personal decisions carry PERSONAL responsibility.  Just because you great great grandfather was a slave doesn't mean shit.  Black people have a goddam chip on their shoulder for no reason.  If their service is slow it's because they are black, bullshit. 

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard on these boards. What the f do YOU know about what current blacks today are feeling. What do YOU know about what it's like to be Black. Go read "Black Like Me". until then stfu. {please and thankyou}

Haha.  Has one black person today been a slave?  NO.  Direct effect.  They were not slaves.  They are not even second generation.  It's bullshit how this fucking group of people think the world is owed to them. Give me a fucking break.  Get over it.  I'm half Hispanic and you don't see me bitching and moaning and saying my childhood in CA was somehow hampered by Mexico losing CA.  Bullshit.

The past is the past, you can't change so why sit around and dwell on it, move forward, be positive and move on to bigger and better things.................. .... or you can act like an immature ni66er and make excuses as to why your not succeeding, bring up things that happened well before your lifetime while forgeting that the place you came from is now filled with civil war, an aids epidemic and a hunger crisis.

Get over it, it has happened to every race of people on this earth at some point in time and life goes on so man up and don't take it like a bitch.

Thank you.  Everybody has been fucked over and only this group continues to whine.

[Option D]

Dude, I'm thankful for the contributions of the civil rights movements and I know what slaves were subject to was quite brutal. However, how does giving current african americans money for the past accomplish anything at all? Wouldn't that money be better spent improving the school systems in urban areas? I know slavery had a big role in building up America, but the main reason America is where it's at is because of its free market system.

I understand your frustration and the frustration of other African Americans, so don't think we're ignorant on that issue. You can say what you will on slavery, the Jim Crow south, but still it doesn't mean I have to give you a dime for the past. I was not responsible for slavery, nor did I reap the benefits, so you have no right to hold me accountable, or any other American for that matter.

I find it funny that a_joker, a guy who claims he's a classical liberal, thinks black Americans should be payed for the past. I think the guy's a closet socialist at heart, and it's even funnier when he openly supports imperialism because in his delusional mind he think it brings equity to the poor.  

OK dude You might want to read the whole thread before commenting. I said that as of now reparations would do more harm than good. Im not for giving a bunch of people money, especially people that dont appreciate what happend in the past and what their forefathers fought and died for. My only reason for going in to that history/economic post was in response to a post that said "blacks should be happy they were born here instead of africa" . And i was making the point that blacks were a huuuuuuge part of making america what it is today and that Africa is in the state it is in today as a result of the followings of the Berlin Conference.

So to recap...i dont think blacks should get money because 1)Its impossible and time comsuming to track down all the decendants of slaves. 2) whats the point...to say sorry. and 3) I think it would further preach seperatism...like "ok this side gets money and the rest of you go fuck yourselves. To build a country it takes a united effort and assesment and action. Throwing money at a problem never solved anything...we threw money at the middle east,Central america and look at the mess...I dont know the answers but i know what not to do. And giving a bunch of ungrateful niggas (not black people, there is a difference)  money is what not to do. If they appreciated their history we wouldnt be in this situation because revrence alone wouldnt allow such behavior.

[Dos Equis]

Haha.  Has one black person today been a slave?  NO.  Direct effect.  They were not slaves.  They are not even second generation.  It's bullshit how this fucking group of people think the world is owed to them. Give me a fucking break.  Get over it.  I'm half Hispanic and you don't see me bitching and moaning and saying my childhood in CA was somehow hampered by Mexico losing CA.  Bullshit.
 Thank you.  Everybody has been fucked over and only this group continues to whine.

You should talk to a few black folks who lived in the 50s and 60s.  I have.  They're not that old.  Ask them about their experiences with race.  It was in their lifetime that they were denied jobs, education, and basic civil liberties because of the color of their skin.  I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss our very recent history.  Keep in mind that when slavery ended in the 1860s that we essentially had an entire race of illiterate people.  Millions of people.  And slavery continued in many forms after the 13th Amendment (outlawing slavery) through things like the "black codes," various voting laws that excluded blacks, and Jim Crow which last through the 1960s.  I am not advocating or even addressing reparations. 

A lot of the problems in the inner cities (which we created) are a direct result of what our country did to black folks and their families from our country's inception through the 1960s (and later with things like racially restrictive covenants).  I am a firm believer in personal responsibility and do not believe anyone today can point to history as an excuse for bad behavior, but I do believe we have to keep things in context.     

I'd also recommend watching the "Eyes on the Prize" documentary on the history of the civil rights movement.  It's an eye opener.       

[Cap]

You should talk to a few black folks who lived in the 50s and 60s.  I have.  They're not that old.  Ask them about their experiences with race.  It was in their lifetime that they were denied jobs, education, and basic civil liberties because of the color of their skin.  I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss our very recent history.  Keep in mind that when slavery ended in the 1860s that we essentially had an entire race of illiterate people.  Millions of people.  And slavery continued in many forms after the 13th Amendment (outlawing slavery) through things like the "black codes," various voting laws that excluded blacks, and Jim Crow which last through the 1960s.  I am not advocating or even addressing reparations. 

A lot of the problems in the inner cities (which we created) are a direct result of what our country did to black folks and their families from our country's inception through the 1960s (and later with things like racially restrictive covenants).  I am a firm believer in personal responsibility and do not believe anyone today can point to history as an excuse for bad behavior, but I do believe we have to keep things in context.     

I'd also recommend watching the "Eyes on the Prize" documentary on the history of the civil rights movement.  It's an eye opener.       

You can't compare the 60's to slavery.  It just doesn't match up.  Other groups, such as the Chinese early in American history had it worse than the blacks during the 60's. 

[Dos Equis]

You can't compare the 60's to slavery.  It just doesn't match up.  Other groups, such as the Chinese early in American history had it worse than the blacks during the 60's. 

Sure you can.  We denied an entire race of people equal education, housing, jobs, property ownership, voting rights.  You name it.  All of those things were extensions of slavery.  There is really an unbroken chain of conduct from the 19th century through the 1960s.     

[mightymouse72]

reading all the posts on this issue keeps reminding me of a line from a Tom Petty song:

"......everybody's had to fight to be free."

true

[muscleforlife]

Do you know about my relationship, no.  Do I want my gf to leave me? No so STFU.  GI Bill and signing bonuses are a great incentive.  If you die, you died willing.  There is no draft.  It's sad that the US gov't pays for these assholes to be trained, live, etc and they still bitch about it being a race issue.  Their asses would be out on the street if it werent for the military.  Or here's a thought, don't f**k young, drop out of school and have to make these decisions.  Personal decisions carry PERSONAL responsibility.  Just because you great great grandfather was a slave doesn't mean shit.  Black people have a goddam chip on their shoulder for no reason.  If their service is slow it's because they are black, bullshit. 
 Haha.  Has one black person today been a slave?  NO.  Direct effect.  They were not slaves.  They are not even second generation.  It's bullshit how this fucking group of people think the world is owed to them. Give me a fucking break.  Get over it.  I'm half Hispanic and you don't see me bitching and moaning and saying my childhood in CA was somehow hampered by Mexico losing CA.  Bullshit.
 Thank you.  Everybody has been fucked over and only this group continues to whine.

I don't know about you and your relationship, I don't care about you and your relationship.

Using your relationship as a reason not to join the military is weak.  Grow a pair.

Sandra

[Dos Equis]

I don't know about you and your relationship, I don't care about you and your relationship.

Using your relationship as a reason not to join the military is weak.  Grow a pair.

Sandra

I disagree Sandra.  I'm a vet and almost signed up again a couple years.  I was going to volunteer for duty in Iraq.  The only reason I didn't is my "relationships" with my wife and kids, who were adamantly opposed. 

[muscleforlife]

BB, there is a difference.

You have served already.  That was your choice.  Now when you wanted to reenlist, your family was against it.  I can understand that.
I wouldn't join the military because I am against the war.
There are people in the service now losing wives and gfs because of the long seperation.
It is called sacrafice.    Some do it for God and Country, some don't, which is fine.
Using a GF, to not join the military is weak, IMO.  Politicians who send the military into harms' way and haven't served in the military or sacrafice or asked the country to sacrafice are also weak.
Sandra

[Cap]

BB, there is a difference.

You have served already.  That was your choice.  Now when you wanted to reenlist, your family was against it.  I can understand that.
I wouldn't join the military because I am against the war.
There are people in the service now losing wives and gfs because of the long seperation.
It is called sacrafice.    Some do it for God and Country, some don't, which is fine.
Using a GF, to not join the military is weak, IMO.  Politicians who send the military into harms' way and haven't served in the military or sacrafice or asked the country to sacrafice are also weak.
Sandra

Yea, you're right.  I know plenty of guys who get a gf because they are going off to war and then worry to death about what their girl is doing.  That ain't shit you need to do in a war zone.  How is my reason weak?  If she dumped me tomorrow I'd enlist the next day.  Life is about choices and what is important to you and she is more important to me right now.  I don't want to give up the woman I want to marry when she isn't ready for me to go off to war.  Sorry.  Try again.

[Cap]

Sure you can.  We denied an entire race of people equal education, housing, jobs, property ownership, voting rights.  You name it.  All of those things were extensions of slavery.  There is really an unbroken chain of conduct from the 19th century through the 1960s.     

We denied those altogether in terms of slavery and unequally until Brown v- Board (I think that was the case) and now they have it easier at getting into college. 

[DK II]

Black people 'should get over' slavery? Comment stuns lawmakers in Virginia
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
01/17/2007

RICHMOND, Va. — A state legislator said black people "should get over" slavery and questioned whether Jews should apologize "for killing Christ," drawing denunciations Tuesday from stunned colleagues.

Delegate Frank D. Hargrove, who is white and Christian, made his remarks in opposition to a measure that would apologize on the state's behalf to the descendants of slaves.

In an interview published Tuesday in The Daily Progress of Charlottesville, Hargrove, 79, said slavery ended nearly 140 years ago with the Civil War and added that "our black citizens should get over it."

The newspaper also quoted him as saying, "are we going to force the Jews to apologize for killing Christ?" Advertisement

Black lawmakers swiftly denounced Hargrove's comments.

"When somebody tells me I should just get over slavery, I can only express my emotion by projecting that I am appalled, absolutely appalled," said Delegate Dwight C. Jones, head of the Legislative Black Caucus.

Delegate David L. Englin also criticized Hargrove's remarks, recalling that his grandparents were driven from their homes in Poland "by people who believed that as Jews, we killed Christ."

When Hargrove rose to speak, he told Englin he didn't care about Englin's religion. "I think your skin was a little too thin," Hargrove said as lawmakers gasped and groaned.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/1D08FAF095356F648625726600148CDD?OpenDocument

Yeah, it's about time they'd get over it.

Next should be the indians, crying about the genocide they faced. Stupid!


 

[Parker]

Yea, you're right.  I know plenty of guys who get a gf because they are going off to war and then worry to death about what their girl is doing.    I don't want to give up the woman I want to marry when she isn't ready for me to go off to war.  Sorry.  Try again.

There is saying that the new breed of Marine is saying. Trust a Marine with your life, not your wife. Read the current Details magazine.

since i work in the judicial field I can tell some stoies of enlisted men now whose wives and "innocent gf's" are cheating on their husbands, and boyfreinds, with the best friends, employers,other dudes. Having all types of mess.

And many of todays guys care not that a woman is wearing a ring, no respect for that, especially if the man who is pursuing is enlisted himself.

You can't compare the 60's to slavery.  It just doesn't match up.  Other groups, such as the Chinese early in American history had it worse than the blacks during the 60's. 

Who told you this??? No they did not. And one the Chinese chose to come here, I'm not saying that they were not bad conditions, but they didn't have to worry about being hung from a tree, denied services, beating, dogs and hoses being used. All during the 20th century.
If it were not for the black people during the Civil Rights movement, all minorities would not have what they have today. The NAACP is a name that exist because, back then blacks were known as "coloreds', so that out-dated name has stuck. To me the NAACP needs to concentrate on fixing problems within the community, instead of focusing on random incidents of racism

[Cap]

There is saying that the new breed of Marine is saying. Trust a Marine with your life, not your wife. Read the current Details magazine.

since i work in the judicial field I can tell some stoies of enlisted men now whose wives and "innocent gf's" are cheating on their husbands, and boyfreinds, with the best friends, employers,other dudes. Having all types of mess.

And many of todays guys care not that a woman is wearing a ring, no respect for that, especially if the man who is pursuing is enlisted himself.

Who told you this??? No they did not. And one the Chinese chose to come here, I'm not saying that they were not bad conditions, but they didn't have to worry about being hung from a tree, denied services, beating, dogs and hoses being used. All during the 20th century.
If it were not for the black people during the Civil Rights movement, all minorities would not have what they have today. The NAACP is a name that exist because, back then blacks were known as "coloreds', so that out-dated name has stuck. To me the NAACP needs to concentrate on fixing problems within the community, instead of focusing on random incidents of racism

  I agree with you on the NAACP.  As far as the Chinese, ever hear of the Chinese exclusion Act?  Things like that are worse than the 60s but not worse than slavery.

[Dos Equis]

We denied those altogether in terms of slavery and unequally until Brown v- Board (I think that was the case) and now they have it easier at getting into college. 

Brown v. Board ended segregated schools (on paper) in 1954.  The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended segregation (again on paper) in 1964.  Pretty much all of the overt forms of discrimination that existed in the 1950s and 60s are gone (i.e., "legal" segregation, etc.).  I'm just saying that this is a very recent part of our history.

[Cap]

Brown v. Board ended segregated schools (on paper) in 1954.  The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended segregation (again on paper) in 1964.  Pretty much all of the overt forms of discrimination that existed in the 1950s and 60s are gone (i.e., "legal" segregation, etc.).  I'm just saying that this is a very recent part of our history.

I agree with you.  I like black people.  It pains me to see hard working successful black people have their reputations tarnished by  other blacks who portray the (nig ga) attitude, act like fools and pull the race card all the time.  Every time I hear the word "nig ga" used by a black man it pisses me off.  I'd like to see more successful black people that aren't rappers or athletes but actual intelligent hard working successful people, and I'd like to see it without other blacks saying that these people are sell outs or Uncle Tom's.

[Dos Equis]

I agree with you.  I like black people.  It pains me to see hard working successful black people have their reputations tarnished by  other blacks who portray the (nig ga) attitude, act like fools and pull the race card all the time.  Every time I hear the word "nig ga" used by a black man it pisses me off.  I'd like to see more successful black people that aren't rappers or athletes but actual intelligent hard working successful people, and I'd like to see it without other blacks saying that these people are sell outs or Uncle Tom's.

We agree.   

[DK II]

I agree with you.  I like black people.  It pains me to see hard working successful black people have their reputations tarnished by  other blacks who portray the (nig ga) attitude, act like fools and pull the race card all the time.  Every time I hear the word "nig ga" used by a black man it pisses me off.  I'd like to see more successful black people that aren't rappers or athletes but actual intelligent hard working successful people, and I'd like to see it without other blacks saying that these people are sell outs or Uncle Tom's.

Thank you very much.

[240 is Back]

I disagree Sandra.  I'm a vet and almost signed up again a couple years.  I was going to volunteer for duty in Iraq.  The only reason I didn't is my "relationships" with my wife and kids, who were adamantly opposed. 

Admirable.  Did you feel the risk to your own life was worth helping to save iraqi lives?  (the WMD and sadaam is gone now, so the only goal is now keeping iraqi lives).

Not flaming - would you really risk bullets fired at you for them? 

[Dos Equis]

Admirable.  Did you feel the risk to your own life was worth helping to save iraqi lives?  (the WMD and sadaam is gone now, so the only goal is now keeping iraqi lives).

Not flaming - would you really risk bullets fired at you for them? 

My country needed me and was I willing to serve and die for my country.  Still am. 

[DK II]

My country needed me and was I willing to serve and die for my country.  Still am. 

haha, what for?

[Option D]

haha, what for?

DUDE his country...

[DK II]

DUDE his country...

oh, sure... 

[Dos Equis]

DUDE his country...

You shouldn't have to explain it.  Shame.