Salary of the Pro's

[RUDE BUOY]

I'm part of the new breed of schmoes who don't lurk in dark shadows waiting for you to turn around so that our buddies can snap a pic of us copping a feel of your girlfriend's biceps. 

With me, you know what you're getting the moment I walk up to you and introduce myself. 

some creep hitting on your girl

[Tre]

f**k you i termed it schmoeconomy you fat pig 

Nah, we've got an entire lexicon of 'schmoe' derivatives.  

[Tre]

  I'm not laughing at you, I'm just laughing at the fact that $$ #'s like these are even rumored to exsist.

Weider ain't paying nobody $6,750.00 per week... for anything.

You'd be surprised.  I haven't kept up with much of anything since the AMI takeover, but prior to that time, there were guys getting $6000-9000/month in "just because" money from Weider.  Others were rumored to be making even more...   

[Devon97]

you've done alot of guest posings huh? lol at all promoters are GOING to pay with a CHECK.

Either that or an IOU

[slaveboy1980]

Nah, we've got an entire lexicon of 'schmoe' derivatives.  

bullshit i used it in this thread and a couple of weeks ago, before you did. 

[Rearden Metal]

Jay made 180K in contest winnings alone this year.

Then he's got his supplement and other contracts, which easily should add up to 250K, considering he's got like 15 of them.

Then he makes about 5-7K for guest posing about 20 weekends a year, plus merchandise and photo sales (about 200 autographs at $10 a pop) and then video sales.

I'd reckon Jay is making in the range of $1M to 1.5M a year.

Ronnie likely a bit behind, maybe 800K to 1M

Dex in the 400K range

Gunter up there from outside sources.

After that, it likely drops, but who knows what types of deals guys like Bob and Shawn are able to pull from good business sense.

With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.

[donthate1]

The only 2 people that are making over $200 are Jay and Ronnie.

B-SHIT!!!!!!!  Where do you get your quality info?

[donthate1]

Jay made 180K in contest winnings alone this year.

Then he's got his supplement and other contracts, which easily should add up to 250K, considering he's got like 15 of them.

Then he makes about 5-7K for guest posing about 20 weekends a year, plus merchandise and photo sales (about 200 autographs at $10 a pop) and then video sales.

I'd reckon Jay is making in the range of $1M to 1.5M a year.

Ronnie likely a bit behind, maybe 800K to 1M

Dex in the 400K range

Gunter up there from outside sources.

After that, it likely drops, but who knows what types of deals guys like Bob and Shawn are able to pull from good business sense.

With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.

[G o a t b o y]

I wouldn't be laughing too hard...that figure isn't far off. I know that for fact.

Well, it's a good bet he's paying you to say things like this. 

[ribonucleic]

Well, it's a good bet he's paying you to say things like this. 

Have a heart, willya? Bob has a new mouth to feed. And a long series of tiny little shoes to buy. If genuflecting before Pope Joe is what it takes to get that done, no one here should hold it against him.

[Special Ed]

Jay made 180K in contest winnings alone this year.
Then he's got his supplement and other contracts, which easily should add up to 250K, considering he's got like 15 of them.
Then he makes about 5-7K for guest posing about 20 weekends a year, plus merchandise and photo sales (about 200 autographs at $10 a pop) and then video sales.
I'd reckon Jay is making in the range of $1M to 1.5M a year.
Ronnie likely a bit behind, maybe 800K to 1M
Dex in the 400K range
Gunter up there from outside sources.
After that, it likely drops, but who knows what types of deals guys like Bob and Shawn are able to pull from good business sense.
With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.

Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings.   Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.

INCOME             JAY        JOE

Winnings            180K       10K

Contracts          350K       60K

Guest Posing       15K        10K

Photos/Videos     30K         15K

Total                    575K         95K

Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.

As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income.  Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.

Special "TruthAche" Ed

[Thin Lizzy]

Nice Post, SE

Back in the day, John Terrelli used to train at my gym. At the time, he was a top ten Mr. O level competitor, but he was still doing personal training.

I find it hard to believe he did this because he enjoyed carrying weights for fat stockbrockers and telling them how good they looked.

[insidescoop]

or, marry a girl with rich parents, right Bob?

[G o a t b o y]

Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings.   Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.

INCOME             JAY        JOE

Winnings            180K       10K

Contracts          350K       60K

Guest Posing       15K        10K

Photos/Videos     30K         15K

Total                    575K         95K

Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.

As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income.  Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.

Special "TruthAche" Ed

Good post!



Pretty much the same way I came up with my figures.

[onlyme]

Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings.   Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.

INCOME             JAY        JOE

Winnings            180K       10K

Contracts          350K       60K

Guest Posing       15K        10K

Photos/Videos     30K         15K

Total                    575K         95K

Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.

As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income.  Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.

Special "TruthAche" Ed

I think more for guest posing.  Jay probably ges $5,000.  He has to do more than just a few a year. Plus just appearance were he isn't posing during a show he has to charge.  If a pro in any sport isn't getting paid to appear he is dumb.  Not to brag as some might say I do, I was making more than $15,000 a year for appearances for awhile.  And I wasn't near a name as Jay.

[Tre]

Have a heart, willya? Bob has a new mouth to feed. And a long series of tiny little shoes to buy. If genuflecting before Pope Joe is what it takes to get that done, no one here should hold it against him.

Exactly.

The *entire* game changes once you've got mouths to feed.

[Special Ed]

I think more for guest posing.  Jay probably ges $5,000.  He has to do more than just a few a year. Plus just appearance were he isn't posing during a show he has to charge.  If a pro in any sport isn't getting paid to appear he is dumb.  Not to brag as some might say I do, I was making more than $15,000 a year for appearances for awhile.  And I wasn't near a name as Jay.

As I stated, but in case you missed it, most of the guest posings and appearances are now a part of the athlete's contract. It works out better for everyone. The promoters now get guest posers for free as part of their sponsorship deals and the supplement companies get "free advertising" and product placement at the state and regional level. The bodybuilders get more guaranteed money under their contract and don't have to try to line up guest appearances and posings since the supplement companies now handle most of that.

It is also well known in the industry that certain promoters/judges/chairmen are able to pick up the phone and call ANYONE including Ronnie and Jay and have them guestpose at their shows for free. It's all part of paying your dues to become or remain Mr. Olympia.

Special "Fo' Real Son" Ed

[Camel Jockey]

How much do reckon a pro makes for one nude pose session? How much to take it up the butty? How much do they get for a vial of 200mg test?

The figure whores are like high priced call girls I bet.

[ribonucleic]

The figure whores are like high priced call girls I bet.

Did Monica Brant refuse to sign your program at the Arnold because you had body odor, or something?

[G o a t b o y]

The figure whores are like high priced call girls I bet.

What would they be "high priced"?

Most of them have busted faces, and wouldn't get a second look walking down the street in most major cities.

They are only "all that" among IFBB schmoes.

[Rearden Metal]

Some of your info is correct and some of your assumptions are the reason for your flawed figures. Let's take a look at Jay Cutler and let's say a second tier guy like JJ or King. We'll call this guy Joe.
Contest winnings=180K: Jay earns around 180K in winnings.   Joe earns about 10K/year in winnings.
Supplement and other contracts=250K: Supplement and magazine contracts are the only ones that are significant. Jay probably earns between 300-400K/year from endorsements. Joe earns about 40-75K/year for supplement/magazine deals.
Guest Posings=100-150K: This is where you go wrong. 90% of guest posings are done as part of the supplement contract, whereby the supplement company gets to sponsor the show simply by providing a guest poser at no charge. At one point Jay was guest posing 40-50 times per year as part of his contract requirements. Jay may have 4-5 paid guest posings/year for a total of 10-15K. Joe will have to guest pose as part of his supplement deal and may also be lucky to earn 10-15K/year outside of that deal.
Photos/Videos: Autographed photo sales are directly dependent on the number of appearances. For 20 guest appearances per year, figure 50-100 per appearance for around 15K per year. Video sales vary deal by deal, but assume $10-20K/year for Jay. Joe will earn about half that amount, so figure 5-10K for Joe.

INCOME             JAY        JOE

Winnings            180K       10K

Contracts          350K       60K

Guest Posing       15K        10K

Photos/Videos     30K         15K

Total                    575K         95K

Now subtract gear (25-50K) and taxes (25%) and you'll see why Jay can live a nice life but a 2nd tier pro has trouble paying a website bill.

As for illegally-derived income, it really is Bodybuilder-specific. I truly doubt that Jay or Ronnie would even stoop to sell gear, but there are several Pro Bodybuilders with Joe-level on-the-books income, driving around in cars worth more than their annual income and living in homes they could never afford without gear income.  Generally speaking, if a Pro has been arrested for selling drugs in the past, he is still dealing because that ghetto mentality (get paid for not working) never goes away.

Special "TruthAche" Ed

Jay gets paid to guest pose. I trained at Bev's for years and know for a fact he's paid handsomely to appear in the NY shows. I doubt very much that it's contractual for a top guy.

However, I could be off by a fair margin, lets say it's somewhere in the middle, at 750-900K a year.

[Camel Jockey]

Did Monica Brant refuse to sign your program at the Arnold because you had body odor, or something?

First of all, I'm not a muscle worshipping fag that goes to Bodybuilding events. Second, who in the blue hell is Monica Bryant?

Why the animosity? Does a wanna-be bb'er like yourself, probably 150 lbs soaking wet, get upset when someone busts out a dose of reality on their idols? Do yourself a favor and don't get so riled up, maybe then you'll remember to drink your whey and pray that you break 185 on the flat bench tommorow.

Cheers!

[Camel Jockey]

What would they be "high priced"?

Most of them have busted faces, and wouldn't get a second look walking down the street in most major cities.

They are only "all that" among IFBB schmoes.

You're right, most of those chicks are beefy and have manly faces.

[Devon97]

With all this, it's still sad that the top guys can't crack the c level baseball or football players pay.

Well due to the fact that BBing isnt even a sport and bbers definately arent athletes I think they are lucky to make what they do.

[Hedgehog]

No, it's not just women. 

I can't (won't!) prove it myself, but based on everything I've ever heard, this market is probably *much* larger for the men willing to sell themselves. 

I would think it's probably bigger in the male ranks, since they have higher "extra" bills.

-Hedge