HAHHAHAH BUSH`S Approval RATING is 28 Percent!

[240 is Back]

Every reputable western nation's intelligence agency indicated Saddam had WMD

Can you list them?  I thought the UN Weapons inspectors (comprised of the nations of the world) were pretty unanimous in their findings of negative on the WMD?

I think it's absolutely relevant to ask what the Democrats would have done to face Saddam's evil regime.

They voted to endorse the President to use force.  That doesn't answer it?

[BRUCE]

Can you list them?  I thought the UN Weapons inspectors (comprised of the nations of the world) were pretty unanimous in their findings of negative on the WMD?

They voted to endorse the President to use force.  That doesn't answer it?

I'm not sure about your recollection of events, but I remember the UN trying for over a decade to come to some sort of agreement with Saddam whereby we could inspect his facilities.  You may also not remember Saddam not exactly being the most inviting of hosts. Saddam said he had WMD capabilities.  He gassed hundreds of his own citizens.  There is no question he once had this capability, if not at the precise time of invasion.  The UN wanted to inspect and see if this was fact.  They were denied.  The entire civilised world believed him.  Getting clearer?

The UN then agreed Saddam didn’t have WMD after Baghdad had fallen - thus (they believed) exonerating their organisation of any liability for taking absolutely no action against this madman any earlier.  You cannot see the UN was hoping like hell Saddam didn't have a nuclear weapon in his arsenal?

And as you have pointed out, the Democrats voted in favour of a Republican plan.  We are asking for someone to identify a plan of their own, otherwise they will concede the Bush Administration acted responsibly.

[Dos Equis]

We've debated this WMD issue for around 5 years now.  We went to war based on intelligence that was not 100% correct, yes I concede this is an error; no I don't concede it is a lie.  Every reputable western nation's intelligence agency indicated Saddam had WMD, let me know if you find of one that didn't.  The Dems would have surely acted on this same intelligence.  The issue is over; we went to war, let's try and face that now.  Therefore, with that in mind, I think it's absolutely relevant to ask what the Democrats would have done to face Saddam's evil regime.

Correct. 

[240 is Back]

Saddam gassed the Kurds with weapons we gave him.  And our state dept admits we gave them to him to "test", but we didn't know how he would do it.

Saddam allowed for inspections of all facilities.  He put his foot down when the US demandded the searches involved his personal bedrooms and bathrooms for the world to see.  He saw this as impractical (does anyone keep uranium in their toilet?), intrusive (would Dubya allow us to search his bathroom), humiliating to the world (the demands conveniently leaked), and dangerous (we would be able to ascertain exactly where to put a cruise missile to hit him in his bed two months later).

Saddam killed his own people.  That is none of our f'king business. 

And if you DO feel it was our business, please tell me when you'll be holding the next rally to invade Darfur, China, and many other nations for human rights abuses.  I must have missed your previous one.

[BRUCE]

Saddam gassed the Kurds with weapons we gave him.  And our state dept admits we gave them to him to "test", but we didn't know how he would do it.

Saddam allowed for inspections of all facilities.  He put his foot down when the US demandded the searches involved his personal bedrooms and bathrooms for the world to see.  He saw this as impractical (does anyone keep uranium in their toilet?), intrusive (would Dubya allow us to search his bathroom), humiliating to the world (the demands conveniently leaked), and dangerous (we would be able to ascertain exactly where to put a cruise missile to hit him in his bed two months later).

Saddam killed his own people.  That is none of our f'king business. 

And if you DO feel it was our business, please tell me when you'll be holding the next rally to invade Darfur, China, and many other nations for human rights abuses.  I must have missed your previous one.

Oh Rob, you do yourself such a deep disservice with this post - and expose yourself as being more heartless than I gave you credit for.  Your 'poor Saddam' defence is nothing short of despicable.  Perhaps if America was planning on destroying the lives of its own citizens, attacking its neighbours, and destroying Israel I would accept your Bush analogy.  Unfortunately I do not.

If you also believe it is not our business, as world citizens, to sit up and take note when a despot murders his own then you are a lost cause.  Again, you completely ignore the good we have brought to Iraq, and focus on the negative.

Additionally, I believe in bringing justice to every corner of the world.  You accuse me of double-standards but I think you will find it is yourself committing this crime.  The US has worked harder and given more than any country to protect the single greatest civil right any one person can have – their right to life.  Where is your appeal to nations like Germany, Russia, France or Canada for example to uphold this same level of pragmatism?  I urge you to re-consider what you have written above.

[240 is Back]

Oh Rob, you do yourself such a deep disservice with this post - and expose yourself as being more heartless than I gave you credit for.  Your 'poor Saddam' defence is nothing short of despicable.  Perhaps if America was planning on destroying the lives of its own citizens, attacking its neighbours, and destroying Israel I would accept your Bush analogy.  Unfortunately I do not.

If you also believe it is not our business, as world citizens, to sit up and take note when a despot murders his own then you are a lost cause.  Again, you completely ignore the good we have brought to Iraq, and focus on the negative.

Additionally, I believe in bringing justice to every corner of the world.  You accuse me of double-standards but I think you will find it is yourself committing this crime.  The US has worked harder and given more than any country to protect the single greatest civil right any one person can have – their right to life.  Where is your appeal to nations like Germany, Russia, France or Canada for example to uphold this same level of pragmatism?  I urge you to re-consider what you have written above.

Here's the deal.  Either you are the world's cop, or you're not.  Period.

The US is NOT the world's policeman.  We will wear the badge and talk about helping out those in need, but we only put money and troops into regions where we can benefit.

If the US was sincere, we would be in Darfur.
UN: Over 400,000 people dead and 2 million refugees.

We're not.  Because they don't have oil.  We only perform policing activities when it benefits us.



You can debate the morality of it, but that's a waste of time.  But facts are facts.  We flew right over the bloodshed in Sudan to start a war in iraq.

[BRUCE]

Here's the deal.  Either you are the world's cop, or you're not.  Period.

The US is NOT the world's policeman.  We will wear the badge and talk about helping out those in need, but we only put money and troops into regions where we can benefit.

If the US was sincere, we would be in Darfur.
UN: Over 400,000 people dead and 2 million refugees.

We're not.  Because they don't have oil.  We only perform policing activities when it benefits us.



You can debate the morality of it, but that's a waste of time.  But facts are facts.  We flew right over the bloodshed in Sudan to start a war in iraq.

Okay, you're obviously going to think oil is still the reason, despite my having completely debunked that theory already.  The fact is the US is actually doing something about bringing democracy and a shot at peace to places in this sometimes crazy world.  If you're going to attack a nation for not doing their bit, you've missed the target again.

[OzmO]

Okay, you're obviously going to think oil is still the reason, despite my having completely debunked that theory already.  The fact is the US is actually doing something about bringing democracy and a shot at peace to places in this sometimes crazy world.  If you're going to attack a nation for not doing their bit, you've missed the target again.

Since when do we have to shoulder the responsibility of bringing democracy with the lives of 3000 kids, fathers and mothers?

The democracy card is old and worn. 

Why didn't we use that card in darfur and probably a half dozen other places in the world?

Bush and company are war mongers for ever their motivations, they are not to spread democracy. 

There was much to gain with a democratic iraq economically and strategically.  (democracy allows our companies to profit)

We did not do this because we are captain save-a-ho

[240 is Back]

Okay, you're obviously going to think oil is still the reason, despite my having completely debunked that theory already.  The fact is the US is actually doing something about bringing democracy and a shot at peace to places in this sometimes crazy world.  If you're going to attack a nation for not doing their bit, you've missed the target again.

You completely debunked the theory we are in Iraq for oil?  Where?


And if you choose to believe that we ignored the far greater Sudanese loss of life to save lives, that's fine.  If you choose to believe we ignored the far greater WMD threat, that's fine.

I guess it's just a coincidence that the 2 nations we've invaded (and the third we're mobilizing against now) happen to contain the three oil reserves we've been eyeing for the last 15 years.

yep.  Coincidence!

[Mr. Intenseone]

people don't talk to you about it because when valid points are made you are notorious for vanishing from the thread.  I could easily dig up dozens of threads with unanswered posts.  What's your excuse for this Intenseone?  10.143 per day, it can't be that fucking hard to finish what you start but Nooooooooooooooooo   Nobody bothers with you anymore, it's a fucking waste of time to type up a response to some dickhead who's going to pretend they didn't read it because they don't know how to answer it.

Nice spin, I see you didn't answer the question.....I don't have all day to google my answers from obscure conspiracy sites......10.143 per ain't a hell of a lot considering this isn't the only board I post on!

[kh300]

Can you list them?  I thought the UN Weapons inspectors (comprised of the nations of the world) were pretty unanimous in their findings of negative on the WMD?

You’ve got three separate investigations plus the president of Russia,, British intelligence, U.S. intelligence, Russian intelligence, told the president there were weapons of mass destruction

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh

[Hugo Chavez]

Nice spin, I see you didn't answer the question.....I don't have all day to google my answers from obscure conspiracy sites......10.143 per ain't a hell of a lot considering this isn't the only board I post on!

Spin my ass, how much do you want to bet that I can dig of a whole lot of rebuttals you completely ignored.  How much I?  I'll take that bet.  I didn't say 10.143 was a lot of posts, but it's enough that you don't have any reason to not be answering replies.  out of everyone here, you are the most notorious for doing it.  What do you want a plan for?  There are no shortage of plans.  Unfortunately there is more spin from the right that there are no plans.  So you come here and regurgitate your fucking bullshit from Hannity and Rush, but don't think it's realty.  It's not. The onus is on you, name exactly what there is no plan for.  I recommend you find something other than Iraq because it's pretty fucking apparent that Bush's plan isn't exactly working.  The people are pissed at Bush's plan, not the dems lack of a plan.  And they have presented quite a few ignored ideas and even some ideas that were picked up by republicans.  Like the idea of phasing a redistribution of troops nearby. That idea originated on the left and was picked up by some republicans with ZERO credit given.  You don't even have your facts straight on this stuff anyway.  You actually think the plan for working with Syria and Iran for Iraq came from the dems, infact it mostly came from the Iraq Study Group   Ohhhh.... Ooops huh  

[militarymuscle69]

Since when do we have to shoulder the responsibility of bringing democracy with the lives of 3000 kids, fathers and mothers?

The democracy card is old and worn. 

Why didn't we use that card in darfur and probably a half dozen other places in the world?

Bush and company are war mongers for ever their motivations, they are not to spread democracy. 

There was much to gain with a democratic iraq economically and strategically.  (democracy allows our companies to profit)

We did not do this because we are captain save-a-ho

When was the last time your liberal ass vonluntered to fight for the freedom to say the stupid shit you spit out? I have been doing it for the last 10 years, reenlisted 2 times (once since the war started) and will re-enlist again just to protect your liberal "rights." I am sick of you liberal pussies using me and my peers as an excuse to get out of Iraq! I am stationed at a Army post where between the 4 branches of service we send thousands of troops a week through here. Every one of those troops signs up voluntarily and knows that within weeks they could be dodging bullets and sleeping in hand dug holes in the desert. But you liberals think the only reason we enlist and re-enlist is that we are to dumb to know better. I have completed to college degrees since being in the military and in the Air Force alone more than 50% have at least a 2 year degree. I continue to do this out of pride in my country and as much as I hate your liberal bullshit I am proud of the fact that the only reason you can do what you do is because I wear the uniform every day. We are not "fighting" iraq. We are fighting radical muslims and right now the front of that war is in Iraq. It didn't start that way, we went in, marched to Baghdad and were very sucessful. The war we are fighting now is not the same it was 3 years ago. And tomorrow it won't be the same as it is today. DO NOT SAY you support me because you don't. Saying you want all of us home so we don't get hurt is in no way supporting me. I signed up (3 times) with the willingness to lose my life, and someday if it comes to that I hope you liberals won't jack up what I died for.

[BRUCE]

When was the last time your liberal ass vonluntered to fight for the freedom to say the stupid shit you spit out? I have been doing it for the last 10 years, reenlisted 2 times (once since the war started) and will re-enlist again just to protect your liberal "rights." I am sick of you liberal pussies using me and my peers as an excuse to get out of Iraq! I am stationed at a Army post where between the 4 branches of service we send thousands of troops a week through here. Every one of those troops signs up voluntarily and knows that within weeks they could be dodging bullets and sleeping in hand dug holes in the desert. But you liberals think the only reason we enlist and re-enlist is that we are to dumb to know better. I have completed to college degrees since being in the military and in the Air Force alone more than 50% have at least a 2 year degree. I continue to do this out of pride in my country and as much as I hate your liberal bullshit I am proud of the fact that the only reason you can do what you do is because I wear the uniform every day. We are not "fighting" iraq. We are fighting radical muslims and right now the front of that war is in Iraq. It didn't start that way, we went in, marched to Baghdad and were very sucessful. The war we are fighting now is not the same it was 3 years ago. And tomorrow it won't be the same as it is today. DO NOT SAY you support me because you don't. Saying you want all of us home so we don't get hurt is in no way supporting me. I signed up (3 times) with the willingness to lose my life, and someday if it comes to that I hope you liberals won't jack up what I died for.

Thank you for your post and thank you for your brave commitment to making this world a better place.  I assure you your efforts are deeply valued by the majority of posters here.  I'd really appreciate it if you could perhaps tell us of some of the good that is being done in Iraq, rather than the endless stream of negativity we seem to receive here.

[Dos Equis]

Thank you for your post and thank you for your brave commitment to making this world a better place.  I assure you your efforts are deeply valued by the majority of posters here.  I'd really appreciate it if you could perhaps tell us of some of the good that is being done in Iraq, rather than the endless stream of negativity we seem to receive here.

Amen to that. 

[kh300]

When was the last time your liberal ass vonluntered to fight for the freedom to say the stupid shit you spit out? I have been doing it for the last 10 years, reenlisted 2 times (once since the war started) and will re-enlist again just to protect your liberal "rights." I am sick of you liberal pussies using me and my peers as an excuse to get out of Iraq! I am stationed at a Army post where between the 4 branches of service we send thousands of troops a week through here. Every one of those troops signs up voluntarily and knows that within weeks they could be dodging bullets and sleeping in hand dug holes in the desert. But you liberals think the only reason we enlist and re-enlist is that we are to dumb to know better. I have completed to college degrees since being in the military and in the Air Force alone more than 50% have at least a 2 year degree. I continue to do this out of pride in my country and as much as I hate your liberal bullshit I am proud of the fact that the only reason you can do what you do is because I wear the uniform every day. We are not "fighting" iraq. We are fighting radical muslims and right now the front of that war is in Iraq. It didn't start that way, we went in, marched to Baghdad and were very sucessful. The war we are fighting now is not the same it was 3 years ago. And tomorrow it won't be the same as it is today. DO NOT SAY you support me because you don't. Saying you want all of us home so we don't get hurt is in no way supporting me. I signed up (3 times) with the willingness to lose my life, and someday if it comes to that I hope you liberals won't jack up what I died for.

very true,, they try to act like they care- if you wanted to go home you would,, so every please stop the bring the troops home bullshit..

[240 is Back]

When was the last time your liberal ass vonluntered to fight for the freedom to say the stupid shit you spit out? I have been doing it for the last 10 years, reenlisted 2 times (once since the war started) and will re-enlist again just to protect your liberal "rights." I am sick of you liberal pussies using me and my peers as an excuse to get out of Iraq! I am stationed at a Army post where between the 4 branches of service we send thousands of troops a week through here. Every one of those troops signs up voluntarily and knows that within weeks they could be dodging bullets and sleeping in hand dug holes in the desert. But you liberals think the only reason we enlist and re-enlist is that we are to dumb to know better. I have completed to college degrees since being in the military and in the Air Force alone more than 50% have at least a 2 year degree. I continue to do this out of pride in my country and as much as I hate your liberal bullshit I am proud of the fact that the only reason you can do what you do is because I wear the uniform every day. We are not "fighting" iraq. We are fighting radical muslims and right now the front of that war is in Iraq. It didn't start that way, we went in, marched to Baghdad and were very sucessful. The war we are fighting now is not the same it was 3 years ago. And tomorrow it won't be the same as it is today. DO NOT SAY you support me because you don't. Saying you want all of us home so we don't get hurt is in no way supporting me. I signed up (3 times) with the willingness to lose my life, and someday if it comes to that I hope you liberals won't jack up what I died for.

Wait til this guy finds out 9/11 was an inside job.  This anger he feels towards enlightened liberals is going to be redirected. 

[BRUCE]

Wait til this guy finds out 9/11 was an inside job.  This anger he feels towards enlightened liberals is going to be redirected. 

Please direct your depreciative efforts against our brave troops elsewhere.  Cease trying to trivialise their purpose in bringing hope and prosperity to an area of the world that hasn't seen it in all too long.

[240 is Back]

Please direct your depreciative efforts against our brave troops elsewhere.  Cease trying to trivialise their purpose in bringing hope and prosperity to an area of the world that hasn't seen it in all too long.

what does Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Nothing.

[militarymuscle69]

Wait til this guy finds out 9/11 was an inside job.  This anger he feels towards enlightened liberals is going to be redirected. 

I'll come visit you in the nut house, Inside job yeah right. We can't keep it quiet that Foley molested boys but we can keep a plot like that under raps?

[240 is Back]

I'll come visit you in the nut house, Inside job yeah right. We can't keep it quiet that Foley molested boys but we can keep a plot like that under raps?

Don't think about it til you come home, dude.  Keep safe over there. 

[Dos Equis]

I'll come visit you in the nut house, Inside job yeah right. We can't keep it quiet that Foley molested boys but we can keep a plot like that under raps?

True, true.  It's really an asinine conspiracy theory.

[240 is Back]

True, true.  It's really an asinine conspiracy theory.

I take it you haven't seen the latest list of university professors, CIA agents, lifetime military men and women, engineers, eh, you read the list:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

These people have risked their careers and reputation.  Hell, Reagan's right hand man Bowman who designed the Star Wars missile defense program has called it an inside job.

Not that asinine, dude.

[militarymuscle69]

what does Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Nothing.

What an idiot, that is all I can say. Did Saddam plan 9-11, not to my knowledge but he did support terrorism and we need to go wherever we need to, to root out terrorism. This isn't a past wold war where a battle front can be identified. Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea... they are all supporters of terrorism. If you are christian, jewish, catholic, buddist etc...anything other than radical muslim it is only a matter of time before they get to you or your kids or grand kids. This is a fight that we will never see the end of in our lifetime. It started before we were even on this earth, Hitler was a friend of the muslims and they used him to exterminate the jews. It has been a nonstop campaign since. Quit acting like we are at war with Iraq, we just aren't. There is no one there fighting the Iraqi Army. Al Queda is bringing the fight to us and doing so in Iraq. If we moved to Australia, italy, america, canada it won't matter because they will bring the fight to us wherever we are. I don't know if you are a sports fan but they always say "the best defense is a good offense" If you can give me one other alternative of what you would do different (and don't you dare bring up dying troops again) I am willing to debate it but until you stop spitting out all the talking points that Pelosi and clinton e-mail to you, I don't want to hear them anymore.

[BRUCE]

what does Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Nothing.

It's a war on terror, in case you have forgotten.  Do you defend Saddam as a terrorist?