I'm sure it's a coincidence

[tu_holmes]

Bottom line is we don't own their oil and don't control it.  We pay for it, like everyone else.  That blows up the theory that we invaded to steal their oil.  It makes no sense.

And regarding "managing the pipeline," you have already admitted you don't know anything about these "secret" contracts.  You cannot rationally discuss/debate a contract you know nothing about or claim we went to war so a private U.S. company could obtain this "secret" contract. 

Feels like I've said this before.      

If we're doing it for oil, that's FINE... just get my gas price down to 99 cents please... Hello... Congress... can you hear me?

[Dos Equis]

there are plenty of self-loathing Americans

f'em

True. 

[Dos Equis]

As if the facts actually matter in 240's imaginary world of crazed evil US domination and repression.  Some people will believe whatever they want, rather than letting the facts make up their mind for them.  Again, if this is a war for oil, we're losing badly.  Is fuel getting any cheaper for anyone here?

You're right.  The facts don't really matter to many on this subject. 

[Dos Equis]

If we're doing it for oil, that's FINE... just get my gas price down to 99 cents please... Hello... Congress... can you hear me?

lol.  Well, my gas is under $3 a gallon, so at least I don't feel like cussing every time I fill up.     I hate the oil company cabal. 

[ribonucleic]

if this is a war for oil, we're losing badly.

"ExxonMobil Sets Record for Annual U.S. Company Profit, at $39.5 Billion"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249326,00.html

There I go again with one of my far-left news sources. 

[Dos Equis]

"ExxonMobil Sets Record for Annual U.S. Company Profit, at $39.5 Billion"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249326,00.html

There I go again with one of my far-left news sources. 

lol.  Private oil company makes record profits, which validates the claim that the United States government started the war to steal Iraq's oil.  Riiiight. 

[BRUCE]

lol.  Well, my gas is under $3 a gallon, so at least I don't feel like cussing every time I fill up.     I hate the oil company cabal. 

What else is interesting is how 240 harps on about the cost of the war, then in the same breath, tells us it's a clever plot to steal resources that have now (supposedly) cost us a fortune and we haven't even seen yet.  If this is the case, then why create a constitution for Iraq and Afghanistan? Why hold elections?

[ribonucleic]

lol.  Private oil company makes record profits, which validates the claim that the United States government started the war to steal Iraq's oil.  Riiiight. 

"Cheney defends refusal to hand over energy task force notes"

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/27/enron/

[240 is Back]

lol.  Private oil company makes record profits, which validates the claim that the United States government started the war to steal Iraq's oil.  Riiiight. 

US oil reserves are growing nicely.  US oil companies are getting rich.  US gas prices are low.  OPEC suddenly has no power.  DOW is doing super thanks to low mnfg/dist costs that come with low fuel costs.

I'm sure all these new and wild things have nothing to do with the fact we're managing their oil.  Riiiight.  

[militarymuscle69]

"ExxonMobil Sets Record for Annual U.S. Company Profit, at $39.5 Billion"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249326,00.html

There I go again with one of my far-left news sources. 

oil comapnies get $.08 a gallon on average, the government gets $.48 on average. Think Pelosi will push the senate to give some back?

[240 is Back]

What else is interesting is how 240 harps on about the cost of the war, then in the same breath, tells us it's a clever plot to steal resources that have now (supposedly) cost us a fortune and we haven't even seen yet.  If this is the case, then why create a constitution for Iraq and Afghanistan? Why hold elections?

because the leaders cannot remove us, until the war is over.  as long as there's a perpetual cost of war, we are there.

We haven't seen any of the fortune yet?  I disagree.  See my last post.

[BRUCE]

US oil reserves are growing nicely.  US oil companies are getting rich.  US gas prices are low.  OPEC suddenly has no power.  DOW is doing super thanks to low mnfg/dist costs that come with low fuel costs.

I'm sure all these new and wild things have nothing to do with the fact we're managing their oil.  Riiiight.  

Oh brother, welcome to the real world.

[militarymuscle69]

"Cheney defends refusal to hand over energy task force notes"

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/27/enron/

right back to CNN huh? commie

[240 is Back]

"ExxonMobil Sets Record for Annual U.S. Company Profit, at $39.5 Billion"

oil comapnies get $.08 a gallon on average, the government gets $.48 on average. Think Pelosi will push the senate to give some back?

militarymuscle, you just made my point

If the US Govt makes 6 times what exxon makes on oil, then that means the US just made $240 in oil profits in 2006.

[BRUCE]

because the leaders cannot remove us, until the war is over.  as long as there's a perpetual cost of war, we are there.

We haven't seen any of the fortune yet?  I disagree.  See my last post.

Do you understand that a public company is separate from the US government?  Also recognise the thousands of 'mom and pop' (as you guys call them) investors that have something to retire on from the successes of such companies.

[240 is Back]

right back to CNN huh? commie

I thought I would point out the disgustingness of this.  A deployed US soldier is calling someone a "commie" because he disagrees with him.

If a civilian was calling a soldier that terrible name, it'd be anti-troop, it'd be newsworthy, it's be cowardice.

But the soldier calling an American civilian a "commie"... is that okay?

[militarymuscle69]

militarymuscle, you just made my point

If the US Govt makes 6 times what exxon makes on oil, then that means the US just made $240 in oil profits in 2006.

Ok, so tell me as soon as Hillary and Nancy cut fuel tax and give it back to the people....I could use it

[240 is Back]

The United States government does not control, or profit from, Afghanistan's or Iraq's oil.  So, yes, we failed if our goal was to steal their oil. 

BB, military muscle pointed out:

"ExxonMobil Sets Record for Annual U.S. Company Profit, at $39.5 Billion"

oil comapnies get $.08 a gallon on average, the government gets $.48 on average. Think Pelosi will push the senate to give some back?

If the US Govt makes 6 times what exxon makes on oil, then that means the US just made $240 in oil profits in 2006.


This refutes your statement, Beacy:

The United States government does not control, or profit from, Afghanistan's or Iraq's oil.  So, yes, we failed if our goal was to steal their oil. 

[Camel Jockey]

The United States government does not control, or profit from, Afghanistan's or Iraq's oil.  So, yes, we failed if our goal was to steal their oil. 

But the American firms that drill for the stuff do and in turn pump dollars back into the economy. Who gave these firms the contracts to manage Iraq? The government did of course.

[OzmO]

But the American firms that drill for the stuff do and in turn pump dollars back into the economy. Who gave these firms the contracts to manage Iraq? The government did of course.

And who benfits from the increased tax revenue from the success of American companies?  And who is motivated to finacially back campaigns for people who will further the interests?

[Dos Equis]

But the American firms that drill for the stuff do and in turn pump dollars back into the economy. Who gave these firms the contracts to manage Iraq? The government did of course.

We didn't need a war for the oil companies to rape the American consumer.  The oil companies make profits whether we are at war or peace.  It just doesn't add up.    

[240 is Back]

We didn't need a war for the oil companies to rape the American consumer.  The oil companies make profits whether we are at war or peace.  It just doesn't add up.    

I would like to see exxon's profits during the war, vs. in times of peace.  anyone have that laid out from 90 to 2007 handy?

[Dos Equis]

And who benfits from the increased tax revenue from the success of American companies?  And who is motivated to finacially back campaigns for people who will further the interests?

Corporations don't pay much in taxes.  The good ones anyway.   

[Tre]

Whenever my utter pessimism about the fate of humanity starts to flag, I remind myself: "If they're this ruthless about stealing the last oil, what atrocities won't they commit when drinkable water starts to run out?"

Las Vegas is going to be our test case on that.

[Camel Jockey]

And who benfits from the increased tax revenue from the success of American companies?  And who is motivated to finacially back campaigns for people who will further the interests?

A corporation can pump money into the economy by means other then taxes. More profits by big companies = higher spending and overall demand in the economy.