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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2007, 10:28:49 AM »
This is the best money spent for any heavy lifter -- T.E.N.S. UNIT --

Definition: "TENS" is the acronym for Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation. A "TENS unit" is a pocket size, portable, battery-operated device that sends electrical impulses to certain parts of the body to block pain signals.


Approx. $150.00 -- worth every penny

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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #76 on: February 21, 2007, 10:30:27 AM »
haha i know the feeling.

ive reported in sick to work sometimes because of hurting knees after legday.

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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2007, 10:34:46 AM »
This is the best money spent for any heavy lifter -- T.E.N.S. UNIT --

Definition: "TENS" is the acronym for Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation. A "TENS unit" is a pocket size, portable, battery-operated device that sends electrical impulses to certain parts of the body to block pain signals.


Approx. $150.00 -- worth every penny


I have two, it's doesn't do shit for joint pain but is awesome for muscle, here in California, you have be a doctor to get one, luckly I have connections. But for my joint pain I usually use 'Bio-Freez" then about 20 min of a dynamic warm-up!

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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #78 on: February 21, 2007, 10:36:32 AM »
I have had three surgeries over the past three years,the most serious is a ruptured patella tendon and shattered knee cap[squatting at nationals].Right now I need more surgery on the bad knee,my left knee scoped,both shoulders scraped for spurs,my right ankle fused.I also have a partially detached bicep.Is it worth it?Not while your doing it.But after a powerlifting meet or bodybuilding show when you have done well,somehow it all does seem worth it.So,the pain is terrible but the rewards are personally very worth it.

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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2007, 10:39:09 AM »
I have two, it's doesn't do shit for joint pain but is awesome for muscle, here in California, you have be a doctor to get one, luckly I have connections. But for my joint pain I usually use 'Bio-Freez" then about 20 min of a dynamic warm-up!

I get great joint relief from mine --- you can typically order from any chiro


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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #80 on: February 21, 2007, 10:48:08 AM »
haha i know the feeling.

ive reported in sick to work sometimes because of hurting knees after legday.

I can remember calling in sick to work because I couldn't walk the next day after training calves for the first time.  Good times!

As you get older you have to know your limitations and listen to your body better.  I tore a ligement in my shoulder many years ago and I can no longer bench press, but I can still work out and do other exercises for my chest.  Getting older doesn't mean you have to quit, it only means you have to train smarter.

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« Reply #81 on: February 21, 2007, 11:17:47 AM »
I have had three surgeries over the past three years,the most serious is a ruptured patella tendon and shattered knee cap[squatting at nationals].Right now I need more surgery on the bad knee,my left knee scoped,both shoulders scraped for spurs,my right ankle fused.I also have a partially detached bicep.Is it worth it?Not while your doing it.But after a powerlifting meet or bodybuilding show when you have done well,somehow it all does seem worth it.So,the pain is terrible but the rewards are personally very worth it.

Start "powerlifting" as a natural and you will see less physical injuries.

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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2007, 11:20:10 AM »
Start "powerlifting" as a natural and you will see less physical injuries.

Who gets injured more?  naturals or drug users? or has more aches and pains.

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« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2007, 11:20:47 AM »
Maybe being big isnt bringing in the same dividends it used to.

Its really all about what makes you feel big in life. If you have something in life that makes you feel big other than muscle  then you won't be worried about losing the muscle.

Ive noticed these kinds of things of feelings  start to hit in your 30's. As you get older you start to notice that being big doesn't get as much respect from your piers anymore. Suddenly its accomplishment, education, career, and money that get all the respect. Even if your small and weak. It only makes sense that something more permanent than muscle gets more respect.

I think its about deveoping something in life that will make you feel as big as muscle does. Then you wont be so obsessed with keeping the muscle so much. I mean you dont have to give up bodybuilding, I know plenty of guys that are big in life and still big in body. The only difference is they are not worried about losing the muscle.

But, hopefully the great scientists at Cell Tech will develop a way for us to keep our gains so this will become a non-issue. I figure with all those doctors in white lab coats they have it shouldn't take that long.

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« Reply #84 on: February 21, 2007, 11:23:41 AM »
it's worth every penny, and every ounces of my creatine. I hate pain, but it's part of the big game
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« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2007, 11:32:25 AM »
dude gimme a fuckin' break ::) you're what, 24? i have a little more than a decade on you, i've done literally EVERYTHING in th gym, high reps, low reps, heavy weight, light weight, weird exercises, isolation movements, supersets, drop sets,etc., the whole thing, i'm 236 pounds, why would i take advice from someone 80 pounds lighter than me?

Once you have a solid base it doesn't really take that much to maintain it. You could probably cut your workload in half and not lose anything.

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« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2007, 11:34:16 AM »
But will Jay feel secure, knowing that he will lose his muscle and Bill Gates will not lose his accomplishments. Although in this case it is different because Jay made a career and won a title that can't be taken from him. But a regular llifter guy who knows he can't keep his muscle can be tough when faced with someone who has something more permanent.

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« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2007, 11:40:09 AM »
Yes and no. Many of my peers feel insecure around me. And they are generally the brilliant programmers and/or business owners. As you get older, you get MORE respect because they've all turned into rubbish.

But I can see that for the guys who, as younger people, did the sporto deal -- as they get older it gets trite.

But have Jay Cutler walk up to Bill Gates and he'll feel VERY insecure. Promise.


You're assuming that Gates would even understand what he was looking at.

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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2007, 11:49:50 AM »
do any of you guys ever get tired of your knees, back, shoulders, elbows, wrists hurting on a daily basis, not being able to bend over and pick things up off the floor 90 percent of the time, i'm not feeling well today but it just got me thinking about all this pain i deal with on a daily basis, nothing really severe just annoying shit, i wish i could be satisfied with being skinny/fat like the average american guy but the thought of it scares me to death, what about you guys? just to let you know, i'm not responding to jokes and flames and bullshit so don't waste your time responding, you won't get a response.

Squad...Know what you are saying. I'm 38 and there are days where the pain in the knees, back and neck just make me want to scream....other days it's not so bad. I've reduced my poundages bigtime and I'm just trying to maintain what I have and keep a healthy diet. There's no way I'll look like the average dude.....BUT....I'm never going to get involved with all the pills and shit that I used to do to look a certain way. It's not worth it.


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Re: Is this shit worth it????????????
« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2007, 12:01:17 PM »
Who gets injured more?  naturals or drug users? or has more aches and pains.

Hard to say who gets injured more, but enduring aches and pains would go to naturals......a user just finds more drugs to eliminate the pain.   Ultimately the user is at the greater risk given all the shit they swallow and shootup.

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« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2007, 12:54:06 PM »
Well, my $ 0,02:

To my mind , the kind of pain you're refering to is abnormal. It's not something that you should expect or even accept, because it just doesn't have to be there, in the first place, like something chronic or that comes with the turff.
Check your form to the most intricate detail. Please do....Even if you think that you know everything there's to know about lifting because of your longevity in this bizz, you're in for a surprise, I promise you. For instance, the whole 'duck feet' that every mag in the world insists to teach as the proper form to squat is rubbish, for me. My knees used to ache when I reached a certain poundage squatting that way. That's when I came across a training article from Dave Palumbo, where he tells the exact same thing that I was going through with my knees, and he told that he resolved the problem using a straight ahead position for the feet when squatting, a bit wider than the hips but inside the shoulders stance, and using orthopedical inserts made up by chiropractors inside his sneakers, I applied everything to a 'T' and guess what??! It worked like a charm.

Now I have been dealing with a severe and chronic bicep tendonitis. It turned out that I discovered I have carpal tunnel syndrome, too. While I'm in pain, there's no way I can train chest, back and biceps with my usual poundages, using the same grips and exercises. Guess what??! I addapted a new , temporary format.
I read about Danny Padilla training style, in one of the recent threads, in a post made by our own Max Rep, and decided to give it a try: high volume, 6 to 8 sets per exercise, 10 to 12 reps max each one, 4 to 5 exercises per bodypart, with a maximum rest of 1 minute between sets. Guess waht??
Otherwise a very ridicuously light weight that never crossed my mind before to use on working sets turned out to be used for the majority of remaining 6 to 8 sets, with me SCREAMING to meet the required range of reps. The trick?? MINIMAL AMOUNT OF REST BETWEEN SETS.

In the end, your job is to make an otherwise light weight relatively speaking into a heavy weight, via intensifiers. At least while in the middle of a pain crisis like I am, it's the only way to keep working and aiming for results, while you are still at the same time allowing your joints the much needed rest form the humonguous poundages they need in order to recover. Give it a try, squadfather.
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« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2007, 01:59:20 PM »
no man i'm not talking about the soreness, i love muscle soreness, i'm talking about waking up at 2-3 in the morning with your back, knees and shoulders hurting, waking up with pain, etc., i see normal dudes out at places and they move so easily and pain free without a care in the world about being either skinny, fat or skinny/fat and i wish i could be like that.
real men deal with the pain...pussies whine...stop whining...hahahaha...mon ster meltown.

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« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2007, 02:08:35 PM »
do any of you guys ever get tired of your knees, back, shoulders, elbows, wrists hurting on a daily basis, not being able to bend over and pick things up off the floor 90 percent of the time, i'm not feeling well today but it just got me thinking about all this pain i deal with on a daily basis, nothing really severe just annoying shit, i wish i could be satisfied with being skinny/fat like the average american guy but the thought of it scares me to death, what about you guys? just to let you know, i'm not responding to jokes and flames and bullshit so don't waste your time responding, you won't get a response.

Sarc, that's what the painkillers are for.
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« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2007, 02:22:40 PM »
Fuck yeah! It's worth it.

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« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2007, 02:27:28 PM »
no man i'm not talking about the soreness, i love muscle soreness, i'm talking about waking up at 2-3 in the morning with your back, knees and shoulders hurting, waking up with pain, etc., i see normal dudes out at places and they move so easily and pain free without a care in the world about being either skinny, fat or skinny/fat and i wish i could be like that.

Been there done that. At some point most will have to go through the process of rationalizing the program through trial and error to find exerices that are just as effective or moreso, hitting muscle fiber better and joints and ligaments less. Change the routine to remove the more stressful exercises, while taking a week's break to heal up. The injuries start to become more noticable sometime around age 30 or or 40 something. The substitute exercises won't affect size in fact sometimes the substitutes are better.

The downside is that it can mean giving up exercises that are classic examples of "strength". But this isn't so important after a while; most BBs even the top guys care less and less about this over time, having already done that.

A while back i tried one of the exercises i used to do. Could hardly stand up for a couple of days, back problem more than a week. It took a full break from exercise to get it to go away. Got a PM from a younger guy just a few days ago with exactly the same problem from the same exercise, a reminder that it wasn't just age-related; some of the exercises aren't worth doing long-term, and the substitutes are just as good.

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« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2007, 02:29:41 PM »
It's the reason I don't do exercises like bench, upright rows, straight  bar curls. etc, and mix more high rep and core type work.  Once you pass 30, you have to re-evaluate what your goals are.  Do I miss moving some of the weights I used to?  Of course, but I don't miss the sharp, unexpected shoulder pain and wrist pain.

You can still be strong and in shape, you just have to use different ways to get there.

Exactly; better warmups, moderate reps, rests no longer than 1-1/2 minutes to keep the area warm, rationalize the workout to take out inherently problematic exercises.

Another advantage of this is that sometimes the substitutes are better.

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« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2007, 03:03:48 PM »
real men deal with the pain...pussies whine...stop whining...hahahaha...mon ster meltown.

OKay Sevastase who wouldn't take advice from a pro like yourself ::)

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« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2007, 03:07:34 PM »
OKay Sevastase who wouldn't take advice from a pro like yourself ::)

To be fair on him, BP, he was only referring to that pain that he experiences when taking anything over 11" up his tailpipe. You can't deny that there are less than a handful of people out there, who can outdo Sevastase when it comes to having knowledge or experience or passion or all 3 in that 'area' .

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« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2007, 03:09:20 PM »
To be fair on him, BP, he was only referring to that pain that he experiences when taking anything over 11" up his tailpipe. You can't deny that there are less than a handful of people out there, who can outdo Sevastase when it comes to  knowledge or experience or passion or all 3 in that 'area' .

Your right kiwiol.... the man is a pro at dealing with all things penis.... I hear he especially excells with anything black and over 10 inches

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« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2007, 07:08:02 PM »
ive been in a low (hence my lack of appearance here) , its cyclical- you can only go redline for so long, then i just lose fire.. hopefully I can be back my March.. Dieting/training/cardio.. Right now its mostly moderate training..